JF 17 is a custom made aircraft for Pakistani airforce with the intention of matching F-16 as a benchmark with low operational costs and unit costs and with the idea of block building for future upgrades. it worked out so well for PAF that they went ahead confidently marketing it to other customers as well. as for China it didnt fit their doctrine and having invested already on J-10, and Flanker derivatives like J15, and J-20.
As always a very neutral and unbiased informative video. I was going to ask you for this video but you made it yourself and better then I expected. Thanks for such knowledgeable videos
JF17 was not selected for PLAAF because they have a large area of operation due to size of their country. It was ideal for PAF who have a relatively small area of operation and provides them with an economical platform with which they can integrate a variety of weapons.
LoL PLAF still using F-7 in Active Opration which is less range and Capability then JF-17. China don't use JF-17 Simply coz they have much better J-10c. JF-17 made for countries who Can't afford western jets and their maintenance. Have you chek Pakistan's budget.
@Admiral Ackbar’s adopted son China is capable enough to make JF-17 inside China. Infact all JF-17 blocks 1st made in China then technology transfer to PAC to make in Pakistan still all major avionic are Import from China. Name one major Avionic that is made in Pakistan ! If China need to replace J-7 they will better choose J-10C then JF-17. Have you check JF-17 Life it's only 4000hrs. China have money and better option unless Pakistan not have that much budget for better Fighter jet. Few months back Pakistan was running for Mig-35 but then rejected due to crippling economy.
@@eysadiq9088 he doesn't know that paf pilots are more capable than iaf pilots world also know about the experience that paf pilots got they are far much better than the jackals that are in IAf
Unbaised analysis and a great one tbh Little corrections: Mikoyan Design only provided design support related to RD93 engines.. And it has 7 hardpoints but can be increased to 11 with mounted rail racks for ground attacks and maybe others (not sure about others) And yes its master of none trait but its bang for buck and if the pilots are well trained it can be a great asset...
jF-17 block 3 serial production has been introduced in a ''first taxi test ceremony''. Initial pictures shows A2A configuration, with: 2xPL-15, 5xSD-10B, 2xPL10E... all this with A2A refueling, HMS, AESA, integrated EW suite, advance net centric data link, increased fuel capacity, improved engine.... etc. makes it a deadly interceptor.
I just want to thank you for your work . I stumbled across your channel while looking for some info on the f102/106 , I stayed and subscribed for everything else . As far as I know nobody is producing content that comes close to what you are putting out. Having binged whatched your channel since finding it , I have to say that the production values of your output has improved noticeably over time . It now almost matches the superb quality of the content. Once again , sincerely , thank you.
You have to give Pakistan Kudos for developing their home grown fighter like India with the Tejas and no matter what their fallacies, we have to bear in mind that these are developing nations and not modern industrialised powers so every step is a step forward.
You can't compare jf 17 with Tejas. Tejas was completely designed by India with its own money. Jf 17 was made as a joint venture between Pakistan and china. It is safe to assume that it was the Chinese who contributed the most when it comes to funding and technical expertise. Jf 17 should be compared to the su 30 mki. An su 30 designed as per indian specifications.
@@dranzergigs8333 You are right I agree. I meant that even the fact that a non ideal plane was made is already an achievement in a developing country we can't use first world planes as a reference, they have years of experience ahead of us. In my country Tunisia (which is a small country compared to giants like India or Pakistan we only produce light planes sport (kind of mini Cesna)
@@dranzergigs8333 Although you are right with the point that it's a joint venture. But it's still such a big leap forward..Like Pakistan is "manufacturing many parts in Pakistan now and these JF17s are totally assembled by Pakistanis without chinese help anymore.. An R & D department is working which made it reach to block 3 with help of china.. 2ndly, Pakistan is also working alone on Project Azm which is a 5th gen fighter jet.. Although it's a term plan and slow process.. Pakistan makes fully indigenous Burraq UAVs and training aircafts Mushak.. Al-Khalid MBTs.. Cruise missiles.. Medium range ballistic missiles and many many more... But also remember that the overall defence budget of Pakistan is less than $10B and doing all this in such limited resources is quite much for us Pakistanis.. The new government is focused in economic revival of the country and it will give further boost to such projects..
@@eddykhan6672 first of all your budget is 17 billion dollars. Second your project azm is on paper till now and we haven't seen a design of the aircraft,so it's on paper. Now if you want to listen about us , so our amca 50% work is completed and first flight will be conducted in 2024, and both versions will be inducted in 2030, we have other ongoing projects like tedbf, aura swift ucav, ghatak ucav, and Tejas mk2, Ins viraat. And there are many countries who make good defense product in less budget than yours
Majority of Tejas is bought from overseas, like radar, engine, avionics, even the missiles it will use, etc. Jf17 is all domestically produced by china or Pakistan, nothing nothing bought from others. That's the difference. India basically designed the shell only, and it's a samosa and no one is envious of the shape. And even just that, India has so many problems and doesn't even want it for their air force, they'd rather use Russian or french jets etc.. same as indian tank and anything else India designed. India far prefers other countries versions since indian one is far inferior in specs, also not reliable and breaks down far quicker.
It would be interesting to see another video once block 3 is out. With an aesa radar, better avionics, more use of composite material, irst, helmet mounted sight, ram coating and integration of pl15 and upcoming pl21 missiles, this could be a very formidable fighter plane. It’s no f22 but would still pack a very serious punch, especially for the money it costs.
All of those things will add cost and make it less attractive for prospective buyers whom would consider the aircraft for it's price/performance range. It sits at the sweetspot of base level fighter with modern avionics and armament. Like the F-5 in it's day.
@@BC-ef8vu actually jf17 is a open ended design, this block 3 will appeal to many nations and the best thing for them is to buy block 1 or 2 with block 3 always as a upgrade option if needed.
@@BC-ef8vu the role of JF17, before being an export oriented toys, is to be able to fulfil PAF needs. And if it could do more, then good. I know PAF has IAF as opponent but should never underestimate enemies.
It is 4:00 AM, I should sleep. *Sees this video* Well I can wait. A nice and informative video on an unremarkable but important little fighter in an age of ever more complex and expensive birds. And as a studying A&P student, your explanation of the function jet intakes and the DSI was fantastically explained. I wish some of my instructors were as well versed in these topics as you are, while being able to explain them like you. Such instructors are just so rare.
Yep but jf 17 is not slightly better its way better then what india has ... its 20 million plane that can beat 60 million su30mki or even a 80 million rafale ... cheapest 10th gen plane in the world
11:05 Sir, you are getting better and better in every video. And sometimes those "fun quotes" make the video a lot more fun "softening" this bulk of information :) Keep videos like this coming please!
Congrats, you really go a step further in technical information compared with other channels and i can tell you really know about the subject. Excellent video, particularly the part of the pressure phenomena on the intakes.
Excellent video as usual. Also, it might be that the PAF placed much more emphasis on A2A roles than strike ones thereby opting for a platform that can be rapidly built and fielded in sufficient numbers. This would’ve saved time, money and other resources that modern multi-role aircraft need. By limiting the requirements and simplifying the design, the planners made a smart move thereby opting for incremental improvement over the service life.
That would make sense because PAF's primary role is defending airspace. Given it's position sandwiched between massive empires, Pakistan has little interest in invading it's neighbors anytime soon.
It is a remarkable plane if its operational history is kept in mind. From block 1 till block3 its the history of transforming from 3rd generation to 4+ in a very short span of time.
Great video, I'm so happy to see you getting thousands of views in a day now! You're finally getting the recognition you deserve. I've been watching your videos since you started, and they've undeniably gotten better over time. When you say you can't find this stuff anywhere else on youtube, you're 100% correct. The only guy who I think even compares is Military Aviation History.
Impressive!! I couldn't have come up with this plane! As a growing nation I'd be very proud at this accomplishment and I respect the approach of not making the entire plane completely dependent on a computer...some things were better in analog form before digital..Prime example is one of my cars..My toyota has an electronic Gas pedal and Throttle Body...where as my Subaru or Duramax have a stainless steel cable attaching the two points together...You can't go wrong with the cable that never has an electrical problem leaving it inoperative..Or A/C controls or gear selectors in cars...I want physical, tactile dials for my A/C AND for my Gear Selection !!!!!!! Don't fix something that doesn't need to be fixed lololol
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Noice, unbiased, and right to the point, as expected. You should also have talked about the RD-93 problem for the specific airframe and AESA radar, but I guess, that would have made the video longer.
If they call it a delta wing, it is because it is triangular shaped. I was not aware that a delta had a minimum sweep angle to qualify as a 'real' delta. All I know is that the wing of the JF-17 looks roughly equivalent to those on the F-16 and F-15, and I have heard those described as delta wings by many sources.
Plz make a video on JF17 block 3 and shed some light of it being sold to Argentine, Iraq, Malaysia etc. How you compare it to other 4.5 generation planes. Latest weapons shown with the plane HD1A etc.
Signore, you are, as always, spot-on in your analysis. It warms my heart to know that someone out there knows what they're talking about. I am considered somewhat of an expert on military aircraft myself. I am not in your league however as I don't possess even a Bachelor's Degree in Aeronautical Engineering, let alone a Master's. I have however, semi-diligently studied military aircraft for thirty years. I am glad to see that your analysis of the JF-17 is similar to my own because sometimes I get asked on Quora about the JF-17 because there are a lot of people (especially in Pakistan) who think that the JF-17 is the ultimate fighter. Of course, I must tell them that it is not (The Saab JAS-39 Gripen is, IMHO), but that it would be comparable to a MiG-29 and that for defending the skies of Pakistan or other countries of similar means, it is perfect. I point out that its low cost is a great feature which allows for better numbers but that it is an older-type cruciform/elevator design that is inferior to the modern canard/delta. Some don't like to hear this but I point out to them that China designed the plane and they have chosen not to use it. They prefer the J-10 Vigourous Dragon which, of course was based on the IAI Lavi and is a modern canard/delta design. Still, I point out to them (and quite rightly I believe) that it is a far better thing to have three JF-17 Thunders than a single F-16 Fighting Falcon. Since they fly both planes, I'm sure that Pakistan would agree. Without significant numbers, an air force cannot function because any plane lost to bad luck or accident would be catastrophic. The JF-17 reminds me a lot of the Northrop F-20 Tigershark with Falcon-style wings. It's not just the visual appearance of the plane that reminds me of it but its role as an inexpensive but relatively capable fighter that was designed by a global superpower that was to be export-only. This was of course the role of the F-20's predecessors, the F-5A Freedom Fighter and the F-5E Tiger II. I hope that you will critique my statement as you are the only person that I have encountered online who clearly knows military aircraft better than I do without bias.
The JF17 is never claimed to be an ultimate fighter, even some PAF pilots claim that F-16 is superior in some aspects and Jf17 is superior in others. Jf17 is a balanced plane with tremendous features like aesa radar, sd-10, pl-15. The jf-17 also allows Pakistan to avoid any future political sanctions and spare parts issues, it is an aircraft tailormade by the air force engineering department themselves. The J-10 is a medium weight fighter with larger fuel reserves which meets the needs of a large superpower like China. China has Different requirements therefore China does not need or want to induct jf17. However, other countries have inducted jf17 and still many others show interest to do so. A remarkable achievement by a struggling economy like Pakistan..
Avro Arrow The fighter that lots of indegenous people think is the ultimate superplane while in reality it’s just a mediocre light fighter is the HAL Tejas. :)
@@henrikg1388 Its either American camp or chinese camp. The Chinese use of implanting sneaky malware into infrastructure like 4g and 5g towers should mainly concern India. American Diplomats like Henry Kissinger have mentioned that america doesn't have allies and only has it's interests and right now it probably doesn't want another war. If I'm right, one of Trump's elections promises was to get American troops back home. Trump ruthlessly targeted huawei to target china, the man shut down government and declared state of emergency because of money for building a wall that he said Mexico would pay for. He always makes off the cuff statements about anything and everything leading to embarrassment for the U.S.
@Blackbirdz2000 any source for this? Carrier fighters are generally heavier and twin engines. All though Jf17 as chinese carrier fighter would be nice to see.. j11, j16 seem more preferable.
It wasn't a Jeff. The thunders were only involved in the attack mission, while the air combat was performed by the F-16s which were flown by Hasan Siddique and Noman Khan.
@Sujeet Dutta yes my friend. Because jf 17 has the most advanced stealth detector radar installed on it. It is the reality. And by your false comments jf 17 is nt going to under rate.indiandefenceindustries.in/stealth-radar-pakistan
I thought the intake was meant to reduce supersonic airflow to subsonic, since few jet engines can handle supersonic flow. It does this by reducing supersonic flow into subsonic, but high pressure flow, and it keeps the shock wave away from the engine compressor face, sometimes even using the shock wave to compress/slow down the intake air.
The F-20 was likewise designed to be mainly be an export fighter without cutting-edge technology, which is why it lost out to the F-16. F-20 was a cute aircraft, though. So now we get to imagine what DSI would look like on F-20, had it lived on.
jf17 has that tubular fuselage that has less area-rule shape but a diverterless intake that is most efficient at mach 1 to mach 1.3 . The exact speeds that proper area-ruling benefits the most. I would guess the Iranians could buy jf17 but are developing their version of the Northrop F-5, a plane with good area-ruling. I know you have touched on the area-rule in past videos but could you teach us more about the area-rule ? Was the YF-23 the design that followed the area-rule the closest ?
@@i_Nxt The technology of JF17 is not as advanced as that of F35, but their positioning is indeed very close. They were all set up in the late 1990s. Chinese engineers referred to many of his design concepts: 1. Strictly control prices and use the best project management to control project costs, so that countries can buy and use. 2. Use development software architecture to facilitate later management 3. It is positioned as a multi-purpose attack aircraft, and it is not the first requirement for air combat. It can cooperate with the main fighter aircraft of the country to attack the opponent Different from the project management, the F35 was not supplied until around 2015 because of the continuous addition of demand during the development period, which caused the project to delay. The JF17 is from simple to easy, continuous iteration, continuous update, while producing, while concentrating the latest requirements to the next iterative version, to ensure that the project can proceed as quickly as possible. Now version 3.0 has been tested.
No Henrik, even a few hundreds are enough when complexity and cost of fighter platforms is increasing in real time. Jeff provides a good combination of low cost and practical tech. More than meets the eye is a good moniker. The basic platform is good enough to get the job done. And its tough enough to keep flying when more complex platforms become hanger queens. And you can keep upgrading it. Bill Sweetman was a fan of this approach. Of course, the designers must have considered that the Jeff is a direct competition for the Mig 29 and to a lesser extent the Mig 35 platforms. The value for money is more than competitive.
JF-17 Thunder Block III Specifications: 1) Chinese AESA radar with Pakistan own software for Avionics. which allows to customize various features. 2) Russia Mig-35's Engine RD-33 MK version which is quite close to the F-16 Engine performance. 3) PL-15 Air to Air Missile BVR which has a range of 170 - 200Km, 100 Km is its kill range. 4) A lot of Air Frame is replaced by Carbon fiber which drops its RCS and weight. make it a little bit stealthy.
@@pkavenger9990 RD-93Edit A variant used to power the JF-17 (FC-1). According to JF-17.com [4] "The most significant difference being the repositioning of the gearbox along the bottom of the engine casing." The Klimov poster at Zhuhai 2010 airshow gave the thrust range of the engine to be 49.4 kN to 84.4 kN Wet. [5] This was designed specifically for FC-1 with increased thrust and relocated gearbox compared to base RD-33's, although the increase of thrust decreased the service life of RD-93 to 2200 hours from RD-33's 4000 hours. According to Air Commodore Mehmood engines are solid and reliable: “We’ve flown 7,000 hours with the engine and we haven’t had any problems”, he said [6] Whereas an upgraded version of RD-93 which is called RD-93MA is expected to come in PAC/CAC JF-17 Thunder's block 3 especially tuned by klimov for the Pakistan Air force which is expected to have 98KN of wet thrust.
JF-17 electronic warfare suite is by Indra, from Spain. It will be interesting to see you compare JF-17, LCA & Saab Gripen as all three are in the same light category.
There is nothing to compare Chinese JF17 used by PAF with HAL Tejas and Saab Gripen. Gripen E is going to cameout in 2022-24. While Tejas Mark1A by 2021. Tejas Mark2 is going to come out by 2025. JF17 block3 might came by 2022-24 as claimed by Pakistani pages. Both Gripen and Tejas goona use same engine Ie Ge414 and Aesa. JF17 Block3 gonna have same under power engine ie base RD93. So thr will limitation to power Chinese KLja Aesa for JF17. While Tejas Mark2 goona have inbuilt Jammer and Electronic warfare capabilities. Pakistan may have to sacrifice one hardpoint to mount Targeting pod again. Than there are some other limitations also. What is point of increasing its hardpoint from 7 to 12 when max carrying payload is same? Assuming JF17 sacrifice 2 hardpoint with External fuel tank. That will leave 2 or 4 hardpoint to have BVRs to mount?. What of rest hardpoint are for? Arming them with WVRs also would decrease its TWR further to some 0.3. Assuming JF17 has so called combat range of 1200km. Why there is need of external fuel tank?
No comparison at all. Pakistan JF17 hit targets inside India last year Feb. Tejas was then getting ready to fly in some airshows like Gripen hehe. U guys must definitely do comparison once Tejas and Gripen come out of their moms laps and go into field for a war, chances of which r far from reality right now lol
Thanks for the video. We much needed it both because the JF-17 is a really interesting plane and project, and also for political balance. But I’d like to have a more detailed analysis of it’s aerodynamic design and performance too, just like what we had for the Tejas. Any chance?
another nice video, fair analysis,Thanks for making a video on jf 17. However one question always come in my mind, why can not more hard point be added into the air frame since it has decent amount of payload capacity meaning if the aircraft have to conduct pure air to air missions it can carry more than 7 air to air missiles just for an example, where weight of each sd 10 missile is around 200 kilo grams according to my findings. much more appreciated your efforts and time.
probably aerodynamic imbalance? But there's this concept of "Dual pylons" or "Triple pylons" . The Pylon is externally connected to the Hard point and can carry 2 or 3 Air to Air missiles, increasing the total number of missiles carried by the fighter. Dont think JF-17 however has the ability to carry dual pylon.
because beneath (or rather, above) any hardpoint/pylon there is support structure in order to handle the weight and aerodynamic load of the stored munition on the pylon. more hardpoints lead to heavier wing structure. However the problem you state can be mitigated with racks and multiple launchers mounted to 1 single hardpoint; the US planes fly with them regularly.
How about an update on the block 3, plus how do you think the J10 CE fits into Pakistan's fighter mix, and what difference will it make to the balance of power in the region. Nice videos, by the way.
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JF 17 is a custom made aircraft for Pakistani airforce with the intention of matching F-16 as a benchmark with low operational costs and unit costs and with the idea of block building for future upgrades.
it worked out so well for PAF that they went ahead confidently marketing it to other customers as well.
as for China it didnt fit their doctrine and having invested already on J-10, and Flanker derivatives like J15, and J-20.
As always a very neutral and unbiased informative video. I was going to ask you for this video but you made it yourself and better then I expected. Thanks for such knowledgeable videos
JF17 was not selected for PLAAF because they have a large area of operation due to size of their country. It was ideal for PAF who have a relatively small area of operation and provides them with an economical platform with which they can integrate a variety of weapons.
LoL PLAF still using F-7 in Active Opration which is less range and Capability then JF-17. China don't use JF-17 Simply coz they have much better J-10c. JF-17 made for countries who Can't afford western jets and their maintenance. Have you chek Pakistan's budget.
@Admiral Ackbar’s adopted son China is capable enough to make JF-17 inside China. Infact all JF-17 blocks 1st made in China then technology transfer to PAC to make in Pakistan still all major avionic are Import from China. Name one major Avionic that is made in Pakistan !
If China need to replace J-7 they will better choose J-10C then JF-17. Have you check JF-17 Life it's only 4000hrs. China have money and better option unless Pakistan not have that much budget for better Fighter jet. Few months back Pakistan was running for Mig-35 but then rejected due to crippling economy.
@@rajatdas3534 dont worry about the economy, worry about the slap that Pakistan airforce gave to your "airforce "
@@eysadiq9088 he doesn't know that paf pilots are more capable than iaf pilots world also know about the experience that paf pilots got they are far much better than the jackals that are in IAf
@@rajatdas3534 what are you whining about budget?
Unbaised analysis and a great one tbh
Little corrections:
Mikoyan Design only provided design support related to RD93 engines..
And it has 7 hardpoints but can be increased to 11 with mounted rail racks for ground attacks and maybe others (not sure about others)
And yes its master of none trait but its bang for buck and if the pilots are well trained it can be a great asset...
but it doesn't have the lift capacity or wing thickness for serious weapons expansion
Or u can go the Gripen way.... Gripen c&d and e&f models have different hard points...the latter has more
It would be an injustice to call this one of the best military channels on YT, because it's one of the best channels full stop.
jF-17 block 3 serial production has been introduced in a ''first taxi test ceremony''. Initial pictures shows A2A configuration, with: 2xPL-15, 5xSD-10B, 2xPL10E... all this with A2A refueling, HMS, AESA, integrated EW suite, advance net centric data link, increased fuel capacity, improved engine.... etc. makes it a deadly interceptor.
I just want to thank you for your work . I stumbled across your channel while looking for some info on the f102/106 , I stayed and subscribed for everything else . As far as I know nobody is producing content that comes close to what you are putting out.
Having binged whatched your channel since finding it , I have to say that the production values of your output has improved noticeably over time . It now almost matches the superb quality of the content.
Once again , sincerely , thank you.
You have to give Pakistan Kudos for developing their home grown fighter like India with the Tejas and no matter what their fallacies, we have to bear in mind that these are developing nations and not modern industrialised powers so every step is a step forward.
You can't compare jf 17 with Tejas. Tejas was completely designed by India with its own money. Jf 17 was made as a joint venture between Pakistan and china. It is safe to assume that it was the Chinese who contributed the most when it comes to funding and technical expertise. Jf 17 should be compared to the su 30 mki. An su 30 designed as per indian specifications.
@@dranzergigs8333 You are right I agree. I meant that even the fact that a non ideal plane was made is already an achievement in a developing country we can't use first world planes as a reference, they have years of experience ahead of us. In my country Tunisia (which is a small country compared to giants like India or Pakistan we only produce light planes sport (kind of mini Cesna)
@@dranzergigs8333 Although you are right with the point that it's a joint venture. But it's still such a big leap forward..Like Pakistan is "manufacturing many parts in Pakistan now and these JF17s are totally assembled by Pakistanis without chinese help anymore.. An R & D department is working which made it reach to block 3 with help of china..
2ndly, Pakistan is also working alone on Project Azm which is a 5th gen fighter jet.. Although it's a term plan and slow process.. Pakistan makes fully indigenous Burraq UAVs and training aircafts Mushak.. Al-Khalid MBTs.. Cruise missiles.. Medium range ballistic missiles and many many more... But also remember that the overall defence budget of Pakistan is less than $10B and doing all this in such limited resources is quite much for us Pakistanis..
The new government is focused in economic revival of the country and it will give further boost to such projects..
@@eddykhan6672 first of all your budget is 17 billion dollars.
Second your project azm is on paper till now and we haven't seen a design of the aircraft,so it's on paper.
Now if you want to listen about us , so our amca 50% work is completed and first flight will be conducted in 2024, and both versions will be inducted in 2030, we have other ongoing projects like tedbf, aura swift ucav, ghatak ucav, and Tejas mk2, Ins viraat.
And there are many countries who make good defense product in less budget than yours
Majority of Tejas is bought from overseas, like radar, engine, avionics, even the missiles it will use, etc. Jf17 is all domestically produced by china or Pakistan, nothing nothing bought from others. That's the difference. India basically designed the shell only, and it's a samosa and no one is envious of the shape. And even just that, India has so many problems and doesn't even want it for their air force, they'd rather use Russian or french jets etc.. same as indian tank and anything else India designed. India far prefers other countries versions since indian one is far inferior in specs, also not reliable and breaks down far quicker.
It would be interesting to see another video once block 3 is out. With an aesa radar, better avionics, more use of composite material, irst, helmet mounted sight, ram coating and integration of pl15 and upcoming pl21 missiles, this could be a very formidable fighter plane. It’s no f22 but would still pack a very serious punch, especially for the money it costs.
Include 3 axis fly by wire and early missle warning system speed of mark 2 plus RD-93MK new engine.
All of those things will add cost and make it less attractive for prospective buyers whom would consider the aircraft for it's price/performance range. It sits at the sweetspot of base level fighter with modern avionics and armament. Like the F-5 in it's day.
@@BC-ef8vu actually jf17 is a open ended design, this block 3 will appeal to many nations and the best thing for them is to buy block 1 or 2 with block 3 always as a upgrade option if needed.
@@BC-ef8vu the role of JF17, before being an export oriented toys, is to be able to fulfil PAF needs. And if it could do more, then good.
I know PAF has IAF as opponent but should never underestimate enemies.
Not much happened bruh, sad
It is 4:00 AM, I should sleep. *Sees this video* Well I can wait.
A nice and informative video on an unremarkable but important little fighter in an age of ever more complex and expensive birds. And as a studying A&P student, your explanation of the function jet intakes and the DSI was fantastically explained. I wish some of my instructors were as well versed in these topics as you are, while being able to explain them like you. Such instructors are just so rare.
Way too kind!
As the old saying goes, you dont have to be the best in the world, but being slightly better then your neighbours can be all you need.
Gg
Same applies to Turkey we plan to buy a few of these block 3 versiosn from Pakistan. Pakistan Zindabad. Love from Turkey.
Yep but jf 17 is not slightly better its way better then what india has ... its 20 million plane that can beat 60 million su30mki or even a 80 million rafale ... cheapest 10th gen plane in the world
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Well it already shot down an Su30 so...
@@KatariaGujjar in ur dreams so..hahaha any proof any video from hud ?? The whole country runs on propaganda what to expect..
The concept of DSI might be easy to copy but implementation needs robust wind tunnel tests which are costly and time-consuming.
In many ways the JF-17 gives the impression of a modernized F-20.
I take it back. In many ways the JF-17 reminds me of the FA-50.
The first video I have seen on this channel. FANTASTIC work, I am impressed.
Like your vids more and more! As an engineer I've working with material, heat, crack propagation, etc. Keep up the good work.
11:05 Sir, you are getting better and better in every video. And sometimes those "fun quotes" make the video a lot more fun "softening" this bulk of information :) Keep videos like this coming please!
Congrats, you really go a step further in technical information compared with other channels and i can tell you really know about the subject. Excellent video, particularly the part of the pressure phenomena on the intakes.
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These are some of the best videos on RUclips!
Excellent video as usual. Also, it might be that the PAF placed much more emphasis on A2A roles than strike ones thereby opting for a platform that can be rapidly built and fielded in sufficient numbers. This would’ve saved time, money and other resources that modern multi-role aircraft need. By limiting the requirements and simplifying the design, the planners made a smart move thereby opting for incremental improvement over the service life.
That would make sense because PAF's primary role is defending airspace. Given it's position sandwiched between massive empires, Pakistan has little interest in invading it's neighbors anytime soon.
It is a remarkable plane if its operational history is kept in mind. From block 1 till block3 its the history of transforming from 3rd generation to 4+ in a very short span of time.
The information and analysis you get on this chaneel cannot bet found on RUclips for sure.
I'm glad I find this channel. It's really easy to understand.
Great video, I'm so happy to see you getting thousands of views in a day now! You're finally getting the recognition you deserve. I've been watching your videos since you started, and they've undeniably gotten better over time. When you say you can't find this stuff anywhere else on youtube, you're 100% correct. The only guy who I think even compares is Military Aviation History.
Please mention Mr. Abhinandan too, the Brand embassador of JF17 XD
Lodu pahle block 3 bana to lay bekar ka bakchodi mat pel or mig 21 1964 ka plane hai
Always informative, unbiased, and information based on sound technical knowledge backed by research and supported by data. Congratulations!
DSI was introduced in jF-17 first, J-10 DSI came after. As well, there are extensive use of composites in block-3 jF-17 .
Extensive as in? I mean the percentage ofcourse..
@@AnindyaMitraDigitalStoryteller 1% higher than block 2 😁 due to 1 extra Chinese made display screen for in flight PUBG.
@@AnindyaMitraDigitalStoryteller Mean comparatively to jF-17's earlier blocks. As this video is more relative to jF-17 blk-1.
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Thank you for this - a lot of information presented in an unbiased and informative, educational manner!! Keep up the great work….
So far, 178 Indians watched this.
Good pedagogic explication always see and enjoy your videos 👌🏼
Impressive!! I couldn't have come up with this plane! As a growing nation I'd be very proud at this accomplishment and I respect the approach of not making the entire plane completely dependent on a computer...some things were better in analog form before digital..Prime example is one of my cars..My toyota has an electronic Gas pedal and Throttle Body...where as my Subaru or Duramax have a stainless steel cable attaching the two points together...You can't go wrong with the cable that never has an electrical problem leaving it inoperative..Or A/C controls or gear selectors in cars...I want physical, tactile dials for my A/C AND for my Gear Selection !!!!!!! Don't fix something that doesn't need to be fixed lololol
A good enough jet in reasonable numbers is always a good choice
Nice video, fair analysis I love jf-17 thunder
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Intakes too
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Well, they fly.... mostly ... and another great educational video
Noice, unbiased, and right to the point, as expected. You should also have talked about the RD-93 problem for the specific airframe and AESA radar, but I guess, that would have made the video longer.
Amazing video!
Thanks for the hard work!
Haha! Your sunburn matches your paintings! Sorry, had to be said. Fantastic information too!
😂😂 That's what you get for spending a couple of hours on a beach!
Cost of 1 tyres of f35 = jf17 total cost
👴Do you know how many times your ugly f35 has been destroyed. 😉😉
4times 😂😂😂
@@RahulKumar-py1fm still it is better than Tejas which costs more 🤣
You have Sun Burns on yoir brain , Paintings and biting PinWorm in your Ass . Go and see a doc.
Could you use a variable strength jet of air to disrupt the boundary layer on front of engines without aerodynamic surfaces?
Simple: diverterless intakes. And of course basic fundaments like singe engine, single-pilot layout.
Love this unbiased approach. Thanks for the share. Love and respects from Pakistan
JF-17 Cockpit is like a i-phone and F-16 cockpit is like Nokia 2310 :D
But the later variants of F-16 feature color displays
Yeah one is made in China and the other one is made in Japan I mean Nokia is,
@@SM_Fato it still has 2 small Display and only one large display but JF-17 have 3 Large display.
@@tedgarrett9437 nokia mahe in japan 😂😂😂😂😂.good joke
If they call it a delta wing, it is because it is triangular shaped. I was not aware that a delta had a minimum sweep angle to qualify as a 'real' delta. All I know is that the wing of the JF-17 looks roughly equivalent to those on the F-16 and F-15, and I have heard those described as delta wings by many sources.
It is a common misconception
Marvellous analysis!
Plz make a video on JF17 block 3 and shed some light of it being sold to Argentine, Iraq, Malaysia etc. How you compare it to other 4.5 generation planes. Latest weapons shown with the plane HD1A etc.
If it's performance in DCS (Digital combat Simulator) is anything to go by, it's nothing to sneeze at.
Ask Abhinandan its performance. He got shot down by one while backed with Israeli Phalcon AWACS
@Mikkemeister 💯 % true
Thank you so much for the video sir
The audio volume is a bit low on this one. Interesting video though.
Wow!! AMAZING explanation !! Love it!!
I enjoyed watching it, aside from the annoying 4 or 5 ads in between.
Those ads are the reason you get to see the video...
I don't really get why F-35 is called Lightning while it's the slowest jet fighter for the last 50 years?
Just like Greenland is called Greenland instead of Iceland.
Subscribed due to the informative fact based video!.... I learned a lot! Thanks.
Fantastic video I was waiting for long time to see a video about JF-17. I hope views and likes should more and more
Great presentation
"Yes I have sunburn" 😂😂 that made my day
Congrats you are the first RUclipsr who made video about jf-17 n no fight is going on in comments
Signore, you are, as always, spot-on in your analysis. It warms my heart to know that someone out there knows what they're talking about. I am considered somewhat of an expert on military aircraft myself. I am not in your league however as I don't possess even a Bachelor's Degree in Aeronautical Engineering, let alone a Master's. I have however, semi-diligently studied military aircraft for thirty years. I am glad to see that your analysis of the JF-17 is similar to my own because sometimes I get asked on Quora about the JF-17 because there are a lot of people (especially in Pakistan) who think that the JF-17 is the ultimate fighter.
Of course, I must tell them that it is not (The Saab JAS-39 Gripen is, IMHO), but that it would be comparable to a MiG-29 and that for defending the skies of Pakistan or other countries of similar means, it is perfect. I point out that its low cost is a great feature which allows for better numbers but that it is an older-type cruciform/elevator design that is inferior to the modern canard/delta. Some don't like to hear this but I point out to them that China designed the plane and they have chosen not to use it. They prefer the J-10 Vigourous Dragon which, of course was based on the IAI Lavi and is a modern canard/delta design. Still, I point out to them (and quite rightly I believe) that it is a far better thing to have three JF-17 Thunders than a single F-16 Fighting Falcon. Since they fly both planes, I'm sure that Pakistan would agree. Without significant numbers, an air force cannot function because any plane lost to bad luck or accident would be catastrophic.
The JF-17 reminds me a lot of the Northrop F-20 Tigershark with Falcon-style wings. It's not just the visual appearance of the plane that reminds me of it but its role as an inexpensive but relatively capable fighter that was designed by a global superpower that was to be export-only. This was of course the role of the F-20's predecessors, the F-5A Freedom Fighter and the F-5E Tiger II. I hope that you will critique my statement as you are the only person that I have encountered online who clearly knows military aircraft better than I do without bias.
Thank you for your kind words but, rest assures, you are overestimating my competency.
The JF17 is never claimed to be an ultimate fighter, even some PAF pilots claim that F-16 is superior in some aspects and Jf17 is superior in others. Jf17 is a balanced plane with tremendous features like aesa radar, sd-10, pl-15. The jf-17 also allows Pakistan to avoid any future political sanctions and spare parts issues, it is an aircraft tailormade by the air force engineering department themselves. The J-10 is a medium weight fighter with larger fuel reserves which meets the needs of a large superpower like China. China has Different requirements therefore China does not need or want to induct jf17. However, other countries have inducted jf17 and still many others show interest to do so. A remarkable achievement by a struggling economy like Pakistan..
Avro Arrow The fighter that lots of indegenous people think is the ultimate superplane while in reality it’s just a mediocre light fighter is the HAL Tejas. :)
@@henrikg1388 Its either American camp or chinese camp. The Chinese use of implanting sneaky malware into infrastructure like 4g and 5g towers should mainly concern India. American Diplomats like Henry Kissinger have mentioned that america doesn't have allies and only has it's interests and right now it probably doesn't want another war. If I'm right, one of Trump's elections promises was to get American troops back home. Trump ruthlessly targeted huawei to target china, the man shut down government and declared state of emergency because of money for building a wall that he said Mexico would pay for. He always makes off the cuff statements about anything and everything leading to embarrassment for the U.S.
@Blackbirdz2000 any source for this? Carrier fighters are generally heavier and twin engines. All though Jf17 as chinese carrier fighter would be nice to see.. j11, j16 seem more preferable.
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Another fine video 👍.
Great channel, great content, congrats.
Jf 17 might be a cheap jet but it managed to shoot down Sukhoi Su-30 recently against India...
Mig21 of Indian pilot name abhinandan who was caught by Pakistan on 27feb and su30 in BVR engagement.
It wasn't a Jeff. The thunders were only involved in the attack mission, while the air combat was performed by the F-16s which were flown by Hasan Siddique and Noman Khan.
@Sujeet Dutta yes my friend. Because jf 17 has the most advanced stealth detector radar installed on it. It is the reality. And by your false comments jf 17 is nt going to under rate.indiandefenceindustries.in/stealth-radar-pakistan
@Sujeet Dutta haha? ??? Any thing which you dont know is fake??? Striking down of su 30 and mig21 in just 4 minutes was also fake. Com on yar????
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I thought the intake was meant to reduce supersonic airflow to subsonic, since few jet engines can handle supersonic flow. It does this by reducing supersonic flow into subsonic, but high pressure flow, and it keeps the shock wave away from the engine compressor face, sometimes even using the shock wave to compress/slow down the intake air.
The JF-17 looks far more like the Northrop F-20 Tigershark than F-35.
Hide the nose it looks more like an F-16
The F-20 was likewise designed to be mainly be an export fighter without cutting-edge technology, which is why it lost out to the F-16.
F-20 was a cute aircraft, though. So now we get to imagine what DSI would look like on F-20, had it lived on.
how do you know all of this? are you an engineer for a living? damn. i would never know this if I haven't seen your channel. thank you
Keep it up Love from pakistan
Pakistan Zindabad from Turkey love you guys TUrkey will by a few of these block 3 Inshallah.
Excellent analysis
jf17 has that tubular fuselage that has less area-rule shape but a diverterless intake that is most efficient at mach 1 to mach 1.3 . The exact speeds that proper area-ruling benefits the most. I would guess the Iranians could buy jf17 but are developing their version of the Northrop F-5, a plane with good area-ruling. I know you have touched on the area-rule in past videos but could you teach us more about the area-rule ? Was the YF-23 the design that followed the area-rule the closest ?
Great work sir
I am from Pakistan. I really like this video as it was unbiased and informative.
Just found your channel, awesome!
Have you considered covering the KAI T-50 Golden eagle and its LIFT and MR variants?
You like your knowledge and keep it up. You are good.
ur comparing jf17 with f35...seriously!!???!!!!!
What's wrong?
@@i_Nxt The technology of JF17 is not as advanced as that of F35, but their positioning is indeed very close. They were all set up in the late 1990s. Chinese engineers referred to many of his design concepts:
1. Strictly control prices and use the best project management to control project costs, so that countries can buy and use.
2. Use development software architecture to facilitate later management
3. It is positioned as a multi-purpose attack aircraft, and it is not the first requirement for air combat. It can cooperate with the main fighter aircraft of the country to attack the opponent
Different from the project management, the F35 was not supplied until around 2015 because of the continuous addition of demand during the development period, which caused the project to delay. The JF17 is from simple to easy, continuous iteration, continuous update, while producing, while concentrating the latest requirements to the next iterative version, to ensure that the project can proceed as quickly as possible. Now version 3.0 has been tested.
Very good video
Keep it up sir
Jf 17 for pakistan is same as t- 34 tanks for Russia in ww2
t-34 was an absolute success.
No Henrik, even a few hundreds are enough when complexity and cost of fighter platforms is increasing in real time. Jeff provides a good combination of low cost and practical tech. More than meets the eye is a good moniker. The basic platform is good enough to get the job done. And its tough enough to keep flying when more complex platforms become hanger queens. And you can keep upgrading it. Bill Sweetman was a fan of this approach. Of course, the designers must have considered that the Jeff is a direct competition for the Mig 29 and to a lesser extent the Mig 35 platforms. The value for money is more than competitive.
Making a truly home grown fighter plane for a country that's not Russia china or the usa is very difficult
JF-17 Thunder Block III Specifications:
1) Chinese AESA radar with Pakistan own software for Avionics. which allows to customize various features.
2) Russia Mig-35's Engine RD-33 MK version which is quite close to the F-16 Engine performance.
3) PL-15 Air to Air Missile BVR which has a range of 170 - 200Km, 100 Km is its kill range.
4) A lot of Air Frame is replaced by Carbon fiber which drops its RCS and weight. make it a little bit stealthy.
RD 93 MA 98KN at wet thrust specially designed for JF 17 block 3 by Russian
@@wahajhassan7307 nope its RDD - 93 MK with 4000 pounds of extra thrust. RD-93 MA was used in previous blocks.
@@pkavenger9990 RD-93Edit
A variant used to power the JF-17 (FC-1). According to JF-17.com [4] "The most significant difference being the repositioning of the gearbox along the bottom of the engine casing." The Klimov poster at Zhuhai 2010 airshow gave the thrust range of the engine to be 49.4 kN to 84.4 kN Wet. [5] This was designed specifically for FC-1 with increased thrust and relocated gearbox compared to base RD-33's, although the increase of thrust decreased the service life of RD-93 to 2200 hours from RD-33's 4000 hours. According to Air Commodore Mehmood engines are solid and reliable: “We’ve flown 7,000 hours with the engine and we haven’t had any problems”, he said [6]
Whereas an upgraded version of RD-93 which is called RD-93MA is expected to come in PAC/CAC JF-17 Thunder's block 3 especially tuned by klimov for the Pakistan Air force which is expected to have 98KN of wet thrust.
@@pkavenger9990 that's Wikipedia
F35 compared with JF17 is like comparing Apple with pumpkin seed. Both useful though
Here are the similarities in short:
JF17 and F35
(17×2)+1 = 35
Fun ends.
Please create a detailed video on JF-17 Thunder.
JF-17 electronic warfare suite is by Indra, from Spain. It will be interesting to see you compare JF-17, LCA & Saab Gripen as all three are in the same light category.
Henrik G how so?
There is nothing to compare Chinese JF17 used by PAF with HAL Tejas and Saab Gripen.
Gripen E is going to cameout in 2022-24. While Tejas Mark1A by 2021. Tejas Mark2 is going to come out by 2025. JF17 block3 might came by 2022-24 as claimed by Pakistani pages.
Both Gripen and Tejas goona use same engine Ie Ge414 and Aesa.
JF17 Block3 gonna have same under power engine ie base RD93. So thr will limitation to power Chinese KLja Aesa for JF17. While Tejas Mark2 goona have inbuilt Jammer and Electronic warfare capabilities. Pakistan may have to sacrifice one hardpoint to mount Targeting pod again. Than there are some other limitations also. What is point of increasing its hardpoint from 7 to 12 when max carrying payload is same? Assuming JF17 sacrifice 2 hardpoint with External fuel tank. That will leave 2 or 4 hardpoint to have BVRs to mount?. What of rest hardpoint are for? Arming them with WVRs also would decrease its TWR further to some 0.3. Assuming JF17 has so called combat range of 1200km. Why there is need of external fuel tank?
@Salman Sadiq Good joke
No comparison at all. Pakistan JF17 hit targets inside India last year Feb. Tejas was then getting ready to fly in some airshows like Gripen hehe. U guys must definitely do comparison once Tejas and Gripen come out of their moms laps and go into field for a war, chances of which r far from reality right now lol
@Marcos B but is tejas really there..world never saw Tejas in any airshow.... Neither indian airforce has acquired it yet.. are u kidding
Very informative video
Thanks for the video. We much needed it both because the JF-17 is a really interesting plane and project, and also for political balance. But I’d like to have a more detailed analysis of it’s aerodynamic design and performance too, just like what we had for the Tejas. Any chance?
When you brought up MTOW, it got me thinking. What aircraft has the best payload to MTOW ratio?
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another nice video, fair analysis,Thanks for making a video on jf 17. However one question always come in my mind, why can not more hard point be added into the air frame since it has decent amount of payload capacity meaning if the aircraft have to conduct pure air to air missions it can carry more than 7 air to air missiles just for an example, where weight of each sd 10 missile is around 200 kilo grams according to my findings.
much more appreciated your efforts and time.
probably aerodynamic imbalance? But there's this concept of "Dual pylons" or "Triple pylons" . The Pylon is externally connected to the Hard point and can carry 2 or 3 Air to Air missiles, increasing the total number of missiles carried by the fighter.
Dont think JF-17 however has the ability to carry dual pylon.
because beneath (or rather, above) any hardpoint/pylon there is support structure in order to handle the weight and aerodynamic load of the stored munition on the pylon. more hardpoints lead to heavier wing structure. However the problem you state can be mitigated with racks and multiple launchers mounted to 1 single hardpoint; the US planes fly with them regularly.
It has, but they are not used.
@@rohitb3 thanks for your comments. Any specific reason for this disability??
@@VuLamDang thanks. make sense
How about an update on the block 3, plus how do you think the J10 CE fits into Pakistan's fighter mix, and what difference will it make to the balance of power in the region.
Nice videos, by the way.
Jf 17 is for poor nation which have....very low forex..reserve...11 billion...😂😂😂😂take lone to run country.......junk fighter...
Wow nice
Amazing video friend, already subscribed ✌️
Very good explanation sir
After all this they built a super freedom fighter?
The 4000 hours is engine lifetime not airframe !
Could you talk a little louder as a lot of your viewers are older and have hearing problems thank you.
Please make videos on different air intake designs across various aircrafts
Sire do position you microphone a lot closer to your mouth it would be quite better to hear you louder!
Excellent reviews how can you estimate it's rcs any software.
JF-17 more superior to F-35 ! JF-17 is 6+ generation while F-35 is 05 generation! So correct your fact,. Pakistan pLenda baad .
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