He didn’t destroy anyone! Hughes has no business even speaking on these topics in public. His opinions, which are all they are, are irrelevant. I believe he’s an immigrant. One of the many failures of the US education system is our reckoning of history. Just as she may be inaccurate on some details of history so is he. Difference is her premises are correct his isn’t. 250 years of arguably the worst slavery system in human history, a bloody and violent reconstruction, almost a century of debt peonage, dozens and f thriving black communities destroyed, thousands of lynchings, tens of millions of black farmland destroyed, Jim Crow, Co-intelPro…. I could literally go on and most of the atrocities I mentioned happened well after slavery! But according to Hughes, and it’s not his idea by the way, a rising tide lifts all boats…., which is a foolish idea for many reasons.
@CarlNipmuc Your points are well stated and accurate…! In social media, there’s this other trend of ascribing emotion in a way that attempts to deflect from the content of one’s argument while diminishing the individual, a form of ad hominem. “Why you mad 😡….” As if to say, to simply express emotion about something or even anger is of itself something to be ashamed of. Even worse are the times when said emotion is applied where it doesn’t exist. It’s like them calling us victims by merely stating facts. I’m in a better position than most, but I worked hard to get here and I can argue that I would be better off if I were a white male. Traits that make people uncomfortable would be praised if I were white…. My point is, we must push against the narrative! People get frustrated in debates, discussions, and arguments because they go in unprepared! I’ve done the research, sat with the issues and thought through them objectively. Therefore, I can easily dismantle people like Hughes while also recognizing the truths and inaccuracies or inconsistencies in his opponents argument. Objectivity, is somewhat of a super power with me at this point. I take certain positions and continue to maintain them based on the data and reality of what consistently presents itself. That’s why we engage my friend….
@CarlNipmuc Yes I know Fuller. Some of us can’t even be bothered with actually learning our history let alone seeking to place things in their proper context. Again, many people don’t know how to debate and fall into more based exchanges and reactions. So I respect your personal decision to not engage considering you seem to be informed. It’s a personal decision. For me I feel it necessary to counter them at times regardless of whether or not they’ll change or hear. I’m not really concerned with them changing or liking me. Many of the so called black conservatives are really only worried about acceptance from them and they are willing to do almost anything to get it. What I will say is, it’s light work at this point for me. No one really knows what comes next after this life or what the real meaning of life here is, one accepts or believes what makes sense to him or her. As Fuller said, “if we don’t understand racism and white supremacy, everything else will only confuse us!” One does not need to change to be convicted. Sometimes they just need to know there are black people who know what the game is….
Classism is not a form of discrimination － Civil Right policy seeks to administer and rectify inequities based on the injustices made by discrimination.
Classism is necessary you can't be friends with everyone. This is based on values ambition and morality. A lot of lower class people are not interested in education or any type of real virtue.
No. People who complain about everything are the problem, especially the weak men. Everyone in the world has challenges. Who cares. Get over it and be a man already.
Sunny is a nauseating humam being. She overestimates her importance in this genre. That young man handled himself like an intelligent, experience, author. She tried to take him down but he stood his ground and handed out the knowledge. I want Sunny to debate TYTs Sonny and Anna. They would rip her to shreds.
The only mistake she may have made is alleging he’s a paid shill for republicans! Unless you have facts of something you can’t allow that to become the primary argument. Hughes doesn’t know what he’s talking about! You all don’t really know history.
Anna is a disgrace! I’m tired of people who aren’t even from this country feeling emboldened to speak publicly about what black descendants of slaves are owed! It’s insulting…. You all clearly don’t understand history, its nuance and how to place events in their proper context.
Coleman is a hero, smarter than all in that room combined. Listening to his brilliant podcast from the beginning, I’m very happy for his great, great feedback on his appearance on the view.
I see this same comment under Thomas So we'll videos from people who will swear up and down that any black person who is willing to denounce the gravities of racial inequality, or who will downplay the responsibility of our government to fulfill their promise of reparations, directly to AAs for our ancestors, is somehow a brilliant gem of a genius; our national treasure; a real hero. Y'all love y'all some early MLK quotes, but won't quote what got him deleted. Y'all are sheer.
@@helpusall5987 I can afford to be more straight forward than Coleman as I’m just a commenter. The way how I see it is that it’s you who is the r@cist.
@@helpusall5987 I do. There are two ways to play socialism, based on socio-economic status like the lefties do, or based or r@ce like the n@zis did. These are your options. Think a little.
@@AdamBetweentheLines Rereading my comment to you, and your response, it's clear that you are fos. I never called you a racist. Which is a hint to me that you might have already been called a racist so often that you respond immediately by transferring that accusation onto your accusers - a child's slight of hand. Maybe you should deeply reflect on the stances you have taken in life. Maybe they are more racially divisive than you are ready to recognize. Lastly, in America the ability to progress is already based mostly on your socio-economic status. Socio-economics heavily favors one group of Americans (WAs) bc that group has long benefitted from biased socio-economic laws, unwritten codes of ethics, AND race-based incentives: all created to hinder other groups (like BAs). So what he's calling for is not some brilliant, ground-breaking, leveling of the playing field. It's a call to stick to the script. Something that sounds great to a Nazi.
I am a Black person and I can’t stand Sunny. She always acts like she speaks for Black people she definitely does not speak for me. It is this young man’s RIGHT as a human being to believe what he wants to believe. I don’t have to agree with everything he says because I have my own opinion about things.
Yeah she complains endlessly about "identity politics" then turns around and uses her Armenian identity as to why she won't support the president... She's a clown
@6:06 and at this exact moment Ana exposes how bad faith of a journalist she really is in this story. Sunny and Coleman had a debate on what MLK said. If Ana and her minions.. I mean team did some research she could tell the audience who was factually correct in what MLK said or at least enlighten the audience with a fuller context. But instead she uses an ad hominem attack to diss Sunny. I could do the same Ana "Why are you're talking about Black and Hispanic issues when you're white" See how that works and how dumb doing that is?
Ad hominem attack? Sunny doesn’t seem to favor class based policies. Ana just points out the fact that Sunny is saying this while wearing a Gucci button down shirt and Gucci belt which signals a high class financial status to anyone who’s heard of Gucci. Otherwise Sunny is saying “I have a lot of money and don’t want policies that help people without a lot of money.” It’s totally relevant to the conversation!
@@Halberstramshaberdashery LOOK IT UP sunny came from poverty and WORKED hard to get to wear Gucci and still UNDERSTANDS POVERTY..don't JUDGE a book by its GUCCI PIN cover..AMERICA VOTE BLUE save AMERICA from pandering criminals.. VOTE BIDEN 2024..
@@matrixanalytica1089 I understand her points perfectly fine but asserting that Coleman Hughes is a “pawn of the right” is disingenuous and unhelpful. Also, I’m not some anti-DEI, anti-CRT, “divisive concepts” law supporting ignorant clown who’s clueless on Black history. Quite the opposite actually. The Civil Rights leaders that made the most impact on me are W.E.B. Du Bois, James Baldwin, MLK and most of all Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael).
It is intellectually dishonest to say that race isn't a factor when it comes to racial disparities. To try to solve everything with economic policy isn't the solution. White southerners rejected The New Deal in the 1930s BECAUSE it was designed to help everyone, INCLUDING black people. Most race riots in the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century were due to white anger towards black economic progress. I live in Birmingham, Alabama. From 1949 to 1965, an area of the city where prominent and successful black people lived was called Dynamite Hill. Ya know why? Because, white people were exploding black people's houses because they didn't believe that black people should have nice houses. Addressing economics alone doesn't solve all of society's problems, particularly race. Because, it doesn't matter how much money someone has, if your class system is based on race, racism will continue to persist until it is addressed directly.
@@mymiphone1841 For as much as she professes to be a progressive and for as long as she has covered these types of issues, she should know better. At this point, Ana is guilty of willful ignorance, which is nothing more than an avoidance of accountability and doing what needs to be done to make things right. Because, it would require giving up some of her privilege which she has come to enjoy immensely.
@@andrewhoward1878 she's getting ridiculous with her ignorance and 1st grade knowledge of MLK. In the video Coleman and Sonny were arguing regarding what MLK actually said. A perfect opportunity as a journalist to research and provide the audience with the full context. Ana instead talks about Sonny's clothes and completely dodges that part... because Sonny was right regarding the historical average economic disparity amongst blacks and Hispanics compared to white people in this country. And by admitting that the whole it's only a class issue falls apart.
@@roxyfoxyyy7 OK. However, if you still help the poor in Appalachia, that doesn't put an end to racially biased police brutality, close the racial wealth gap, address racial health disparities, disproportionate convictions and the sentencing of black people, particularly black men in the courts as opposed to white men who have been charged with the same crime, voter suppression, gerrymandering, the attack on programs that focus on educating students about diverse groups and hiring practices that are designed to ensure opportunities for people from diverse backgrounds. Those issues will still exist. Pretending that they don't doesn't make them go away. To assume such is a disservice to people like me who have to face unnecessary obstacles everyday.
Ana ignores that poor rural whites will gladly vote against these "socio economic policies", because it in large part will help poc's of similar economic situations. Just last year Missouri rejected federal food that would have helped children of all races with similar poor economic situations continue to get the food they had while in school. We continue to see home appraisals be different for the same house when it appears it's owned by blacks and not whites. Sunny is trying to point out that even when things are the same, there is still a race based bias and to ignore it is being willfully obtuse.
OMG Thank you for saying it! Poor white people will vote against their own socio economic interest, for the sake of race. Hence Donald Trump supporters. Obama left office and they thought this rich white man had their social economic interest in mind? No, a rich white man lied to them and they fell for it. Did Trump not also say the central park 5 were guilty even thought they were found innocent? How many black people were treated the same? And more on race being a factor of black Americans' social economic welfare, just look at how many ways race has affected our justice system for black Americans. Arrests and indictments, bail, guilty pleas, can't afford a lawyer, legal sympathy, convictions affecting future jobs or even home opportunities. That all impacts generational wealth.
"poor rural whites will gladly vote against these "socio economic policies", because it in large part will help poc's of similar economic situations" I would like a source for that because your next example did not have anything to do with racial prejudice but economic policy
Sonny is an insufferable gatekeeper. Her hostile stance towards this intelligent forward thinking young man was not only cringeworthy but so so disrespectful. I was disappointed that the other so-called ladies failed to call her out for her rude comments and behavior. 🤮👎
I've been a black voter my entire life. I have no problem with more emphasis on class-based politics, however, not at the exclusion of addressing the extremely well laid out historical economic impacts that the white supremacist structure and system established in this country has had on minority groups, especially African & Native Americans. There is no reason this country cannot walk & chew gum at the same time. I have no problem with Coleman Hughes. I just disagree with him because I've read enough to substantiate the conclusions I hold.
Ana is accusing Sunny of being entitled while providing her own thoughts as a white woman of some affluence in America. Even with both ladies having an entitlement of money and notoriety, both are not treated the same in American society. Ana will never understand that first hand.
@ashleysullivan3411 Oh I see, but black people are allowed to talk about everyone else, right? I mean, that's perfectly consistent logic we see every day. 💁🏼♀
How do you suffer? It must suck living as a perpetual victim and blaming another race for your shortcomings. There's nothing that a white person or immigrant can do that you can't.
all others group in US are doing good, latinos, african,arabs,asian, europeans, rusian, the only groups who cry racism and white privilege everywhere are black americans🤦♂
@@jeffersonhughes3580 🤔 then obviously there must be a problem, the only people that speak like you or people who aren’t affected by it.🤦🏾♂️ a group of people that have suffered from 244 years of slavery, another 100 years of Jim Crow, convict leasing, segregation do I need to continue? Has every right to complain, this country was built off a slave economy. So until America pays what is owed. We will continue to complain.🤦🏾♂️😡😡🤬
The topic of slavery, the civil war, and the civil rights movement had a huge impact on the socio economic welfare of black Americans. You cannot have one conversation without the other.
It had huge socio economic impacts on EVERYONE. Hell if you're going with slavery and wars all you folks should be paying the British. They ended the transatlantic slave trade for everyone, through war, loss of life and debt... They only finished paying the debt incurred by ending the trans Atlantic slave trade in 2015.
@@MrGgabber Making it all the more sad that many white people of his day accused him of being a race baiter and troublemaker just like many whites say now whenever social and economic injustice as it relates to race is brought up. I was stunned when I first read some of the letters many years ago at how nothing has changed in terms of how more conservative-minded people try to gaslight and deflect on those issues. And Trump along with this whole anti-woke movement has made those non-arguments the go-to response even more. Then there's the added irony of how these same people whose equivalents in the past despised King now pretend that his speech about content of character was primarily meant to defend whites from being judged for THEIR color. And of course they completely ignore the socialist aspect of his politics (both conservatives and mainstream liberals ignore it; conservatives will focus on his Christianity and liberals will focus on his black identity) in order to try and use his legacy as a cudgel AGAINST the social justice movements of today. It's the most cynical thing ever.
I keep saying this. Cenk Uger and Anna Kasparian have made video upon video criticizing Bill Maher. Yet they are sounding more and more like him every day.
She's right and you know it. The left doesn't care bout white people. The poor whites were betrayed and forgotten. They are the most oppressed people in this country.
You can say that but everything left of TYT on RUclips nowadays is unwatchable. There’s been a huge drop in quality of content. For example, Secular Talk straight up sucks now.
Sunny has her opinion, Coleman has his. So, Ana has her opinion too. I also have an opinion. Coleman suggests the help goes to disadvantaged people regardless of race, Sunny wants it to go to minorities (regardless of how rich they are?, not sure about how that works). This was an interview, and he answered politely. The fact that it is so difficult to focus on the subject (how to help disadvantaged ?) without calling people racist, sellouts, and whatever... is actually the point Coleman is making: keep arguments on the subject and not on the people. It is amazing how the comments point to the personalities of Coleman, Ana, Sunny... it doesn't matter what Sunny or Coleman did in their life, or what "some people" say.
Or maybe do both? Why this false dichotomy? I don’t know anyone saying white poor people shouldn’t be helped as well. And you can do that without being “colorblind”. I am a poor white woman raising a white autistic daughter with intellectual disability, epilepsy, and a tumor disorder. We have challenges my Black male partner with a good job doesn’t have, but to be “blind” to struggles he faces as a Black man because he makes more money than me is insane. This false dichotomy you’re creating is the real problem.
I think his approach is a response to the way politics is. How democrats are "left" about race at election time to get the minority votes, and almost never left on socioeconomic issues. It all ends up being a game of smoke and mirrors. If they were actually left on socioeconomic issues, then everyone benefits and that is a tangible improvement.
*" I don’t know anyone saying white poor people shouldn’t be helped as well."* Well there some but yes, the majority aren't saying that specifically. Every solution solution however apart from a class based approached completely ignores them.
I know a lot of poor white people that I work with get positions because they know white people in high positions. Your race helps you no matter your degree of intelligence
@@adampike3834 yes, and yet a class based approach still doesn’t help the fact that my son is more likely to be pulled over by a cop because of the color of his skin. So, that’s why I said both are needed. But of course establishment dems don’t want to discuss class bc of the class they’re in. Racism is still a problem but solutions to racism don’t hit them as hard personally, whereas taxing the wealthy does.
The problem with advocating for color blind policies to uplift the poor is the US has a history of cutting Black people out on the basis of race. For reference see the GI Bill and New Deal era policies like social security, and FHA home loans.
Exactly, it's always for blacks then ends up being everybody except blacks This clown Coleman is a plant, been for years now. ruclips.net/user/shorts-xR_YMwG3bc?si=qa_WDD7h95tuYMEZ
The title is misleading as Sunny Boston did say "some in the black community have accused you of being a pawn". I don't think that Sunny Hostin was hostile to Coleman Hughes. They just have different perspectives and I enjoyed the exchange. I think that broadening the discourse to include class is a valid point.
Then you clearly haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention to the media for the past 40 years... It's ALWAYS "some people say" to avoid any accountability.
@SarahHuntsman888 Affirmative action, while well-intentioned, has not been sufficient to overcome the deep-seated economic and social disparities caused by centuries of slavery, segregation, and systemic racism. These disparities are not just historical artifacts, but ongoing realities that continue to affect the lives of African Americans today. As Ta-Nehisi Coates argues in "The Case for Reparations," affirmative action policies, which typically focus on increasing diversity in education and employment, do not address the broader social and economic inequalities that exist. Moreover, affirmative action has been criticized for benefiting primarily the middle and upper classes, while leaving behind the most disadvantaged members of marginalized groups. In "The Souls of Black Folk," W.E.B. Du Bois writes about the concept of the "Talented Tenth," the idea that the most educated and successful African Americans have a responsibility to uplift the rest of the community. However, affirmative action policies that focus on increasing representation in elite institutions may inadvertently reinforce this divide, rather than addressing the root causes of inequality. Color blindness, the idea that we should not "see" race and should treat everyone equally, ignores the reality of systemic racism and the ways in which race continues to shape our society. In "The New Jim Crow," Michelle Alexander argues that the mass incarceration of African American men is a form of racial control that functions in a similar way to the Jim Crow laws, despite being ostensibly colorblind. Similarly, in "White Fragility," Robin DiAngelo argues that the idea of color blindness prevents white people from acknowledging and addressing their own racial biases. The idea of color blindness also ignores the ways in which government policies have actively created and perpetuated racial segregation and inequality. In "The Color of Law," Richard Rothstein argues that housing segregation in America was not a result of private discrimination, but a product of explicit government policies. This history of government-sanctioned discrimination cannot be addressed by simply treating everyone equally under the law. Finally, the focus on individual success and meritocracy that often accompanies discussions of affirmative action and color blindness ignores the ways in which systemic inequality affects people's lives. In "Evicted," Matthew Desmond shows how the lack of affordable housing can trap people in a cycle of poverty, regardless of their individual efforts. Similarly, in "The Warmth of Other Suns," Isabel Wilkerson tells the stories of African Americans who left the South during the Great Migration, seeking better opportunities in the North and West, but often finding that systemic racism and discrimination had followed them.
Sorry Anna, you're wrong. If you like him then you can have him. As a Black man who is twice your age I've him before (in others) and I know where this leads. I'll wait ....
As a Black person, I disagree with Ana's analysis on this matter because I don't live in a color blind world. If I go shopping, I am looked as a black woman. TYT should have a Black journalist do this take because it make Ana look like she doesn't know what she talking about. Our American society and justice systems treat Black people different from another race in the United States.
@@Zoolama34709As a Black woman in America, I am not a victim but a survivor because I face stuff you will never face. Just for you to make your comment prove my point. Thank you.
@adampike3834 No I FOCUSED on the thing he said. That liberals and conservatives seem to always leave out. We'll Black Americans from California to N.Y. focused on Reparations and Deportations!
@@jamesbey8779 What was the very next thing MLK said about the form reparations should take? Look, we get it, you're emotional and full of rage, but if you don't base this emotion on reality then you only look ridiculous.
@adampike3834 This isn't about emotions, you coward hiding behind a avatar! This is about JUSTICE!!! Take your reverse psychology and gas lighting @$$ elsewhere. REPARATIONS is the #1 Priority of the GRASSROOTS Black American political movement. Everything else is a DISTRACTION! ruclips.net/video/pLV5y4utPKI/видео.htmlsi=ZmPXhlXUVLfhZtCD
Ana, you missed what Sunny just said. She said that race also mattered. She agreed with him that MLK talked about how the importance of class, and also said that race was important to him, which is true. MLK never advocated for completely eliminating race from the conversation. He was nuanced. Also, Sunny said that she said that people were using him and co-opting his message on the right. Not necessarily that he is a grifter.
Sunny is a race baiting POS, everything is racism, loves the victim mentality more than anyone I have seen, and she is half white, but fails to recognize that for some reason.
She's a POS because she says things in media that needs to be said or asked? It's a "victim" mentality to shine a light on the issues and wrongs that still are perpetuated in the Minority communities? Then yes, guilty as charged! FOH 🤡@@Cecebenjiroxy
She didn't actually call him a pawn. She did say that many called him a pawn or charlatan. As far as policy goes, shouldn't we start with education and policing? Also, let's be honest the media has hung blacks every chance that they have had the opportunity. To be clear, I'm not speaking about new media, which includes your network. I can't say that i watch the view, but i do know that for the most part, you don't like the view. Saying she's wealthy and can't recognize certain things is a bit like what the right says about black athletes.
He's both authentic in his beliefs and is a pawn of the right. The two things are not mutually exclusive. His message is more palatable to whites as it refutes inequality as being the result of race. My issue with him is that he tends to minimize race in ways where it's obvious and at the very least a factor. Anna's characterization of Sunny as being triggered or as exhibiting vitriol are gross exaggerations at best.
He's a grifter just looking to get his race hustling career popping and earn millions, just like all the other black sellouts like Candace and tatum. The conservative race hustle is very lucrative, even al Sharptonis envious.
Also, didn’t a study show that white women benefited most from affirmative action? When you don’t make it specific enough, white people seem to always benefit more from whatever policy you put in place
@@adampike3834 Create policy based on lineage. Be absolutely targeted to the economic injury that was inflicted - specifically, slavery and the resulting economic apartheid. Yvette Carnell breaks down the foolishness of class politics. It’s becoming apparent that the left is incredibly unserious when addressing Black wealth disparity.
@@jonnyfyre Okay, which will ignore even more black people in the US and people of other races who are suffering. It will also result in some of the black people who already doing much better then 90% of the population getting even more. That will just make the problems even worse.
I'll do you one better. A policy on paper was colorless. The ones that introduced the GI bill, VA loan and all the other military benefits to US soldiers after WWII. Who was able to actual use those benefits 🤔? What color of people used that to build the generational wealth their families still benefit from today? Meanwhile the other group who faught in the same war faced barriers to use those benefits. So Ana can miss me with that whole we should just focus on class bs. Because we have historical context of "colorblind" polices that only certain people could take advantage of.
Ana, as much as I understand your reasoning that focusing on socio-economics is the best way to address inequality across the board and that all ships will rise including those black and brown ships. I know that it’s also the best way to get legislation passed. The problem is still the way that race influences the execution of those policies. Just ask black farmers about the Farm Bills and when these inequities are addressed by legislation, the remedy is met with the same logic that you’re proposing. I would be nice if we could get past the wrongs of the past without addressing them and move forward but it seems like that’s not going to be possible. They just continue to pop up all over the world.
Anna you definitely do not know much about Sunny. She was raised in the Bronx Projects she has worked hard for what she has. She did not come from a privileged background. Anna you should have investigated Sunny’s background before you make sloppy comments about a individual you don’t appear to know much about.
Sonny Hostin is a half breed with a white mother. She thinks she's a black woman but she is not and she needs to stay in her Lane because if we were still enslaved she definitely would have more privilege over the darker hue!
Ana is acting like this is new. Many have spoken on class based economics. I think she should just be honest and she’s tired of racism being tied to everything in this country and is sick of hearing of it and that’s to bad because that’s the country we live in. Not surprised of her opinions leaning right. What does the fact she’s wealthy wearing designer clothes have to do with anything. So she can’t have an opinion because she’s rich. Who is most likely to experience racism between Ana and Sunny regardless of class
The PROBLEM is PEOPLE like ANA. THEY need ANTI-BLACK people like coleman hughes to SPREAD their SICK IDEOLOGY. As YOU said in your POST, SONNY experiences some form RACISM on the DAILY basis whereas ANA does NOT. In FACT, the remark ANA made regarding SONNY'S CLOTHING is a RACIST/MICRO-AGRRESSION remark...😂🤣
@@babyamyxo-o6c She’s not speaking “the truth”. She’s being self-congratulatory for her open-mindedness and criticizing ad hominem attacks while participating in them. The “address class-only view” is extremely inadequate and naive.
@@QuietRefl4378 Fair enough, but isn't OP & Sunny doing the same? Why are you pointing out only Ana? Why should we accept that double standard? Is the black only view fairer or more adequate than a class focused view that encompasses poor people of all backgrounds?
@@babyamyxo-o6c I don't watch The View and don't know the hosts. What's "the black view"? Is there a "white view"? If so, what is that? Ana would advocate being colorblind, I'm sure.
Anna, Sunny was very respectful to him. He got a bit defensive. He get to feel the way he does because of the hard sweat and tears for the generation before him that fought hard against racism and still fight today...that is the spirit that Sunny is referring to.
@@adampike3834 well. By his own words lol. He's saying the same crap white supremacist say, so if he's saying it for them class, what does that make him? Let's go look the definition of pawn and make sure you use it in context so you can keep up.
You sound so petty and immature by bringing up her clothes. Would you agree with her if she was wearing your Walmart sweater? She’s a woman of a particular age who worked at a career, her husband is also a well off surgeon. It sounds kinda racist of you to act as if she’s not allowed to dare to wear a high class brand of clothing. I’ve always thought y’all were fair and usually open minded, lately y’all getting as bad as Trump and his cult followers.
This video was posted 15 hours ago as I’m typing this and it has less views than a cookie decorating video that was posted 3 hours ago. You lost, Ana. Never ever whitesplain black issues
He's a pos. He's smart, but he's arguing in bad faith. I agree that class is more important than race, but blaming black people is their lot is ignorant.
I don't think she dismissed him. I think she asked questions about his beliefs and about what others have said about him. I appreciate the push back. It is refreshing when there is a debate on views on a national show. We usually see interviews like Candice Owen on the Breakfast Club with no push back at all.
I don’t understand those people who are upset at Ana for wanting to listen to Coleman’s argument. And why is it wrong to focus on poverty as a whole instead of by certain racial groups? I understand that Black and Hispanic communities might be more affected by poverty, but It makes sense to try and analyze and help all people regardless of race. I think Ana is doing a great job and hopefully Coleman is on the TYT soon.
Ana actually earned back my sub. I'm so glad to see her having balanced sensible conversations on sensitive issues like this. Good on TYT, and especially good on Ana. Really love everything you're doing lately.
Ana is just another fan girl of Coleman Hughes and she is a bit mindless hater of Sunny who is has been wrong on so many issues. This is not one of them. Class based economic policies are great and should be combined with racial reparations. Coleman deliberately misrepresent MLK. Forget about Ana's stupid Gucci accessories comment. Not very thoughtful on your part Ana.
The one aspect that Ana ignores is that usually Blacks & Latinos are institutionally discriminated against whereas whites, for the most part, are poor for lack of personal incentive on their part. See the difference? It certainly would be understandable if poverty came about because of forces beyond our control… illness, disability, mental illness, etc. And those factors do come into play for a number of us. Still, We can’t ignore the Elephant in the room, which quite frankly is institutionalized racism against Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Gays, Disabled, etc. We need to stop pretending it doesn’t exist because it’s expedient for one reason or another.
Stop using the term racism as an umbrella term for all forms of discrimination. That’s literally what the word “discrimination” is for. It is literally impossible to be racist against “Gays” or “Disabled”, because those are not races.
@@garym6338 When one does not have a strong convincing argument against the subject at hand one will inevitably deflect by drawing attention away to something as trivial as grammar. Stop deflecting from the subject at hand. I deliberately used it as a blanket term because the end result is always the same. But you knew that already.
@@ERAZERHEAD-54 I wasn’t deflecting from the subject, I was specifically taking issue with you using the incorrect term. You could and should have just used the term discrimination instead of using the word racism to mean something it doesn’t. But you knew that already. Regarding the subject at hand, your assumption that poor whites are poor due to lack of personal incentive whereas anyone black is poor because of institutional racism is also inaccurate and not the complete picture. Is there institutional racism against black people? Absolutely. Are all poor blacks poor because of institutional racism?? Absolutely not. Some black people are poor because of a lack of personal incentive also, just as some white people are. Many people, regardless of race or skin colour are poor, primarily because of classism, not racism. They are born into families with no generational wealth (which could be for a variety of reasons), so start with nothing. Some people do manage to build themselves up from nothing (personal incentive, plus opportunity and luck usually), but most don’t. A lot of successful people (most), don’t start with nothing. They come from a family that may or may not be rich, but are at least financially stable and they get a good head start in life (eg. Not having to face the issues of living in poverty, comfortably having housing, clothing and food, support and opportunity for a decent education and career, etc).
Am I the only one walking away from this feeling like Ana is saying Sunny is rejecting "class" as a category but hearing Sunny just saying that "race" needs to be accounted for; not discarding "class"? Sorry for the run-on but I am at least happy Ana admits to the bias in the beginning because I think it is showing.
You're not the only one cause I interpreted Sunny's comments the exact same way. The way that Ana is reading this conversation does show some White Privilege because race has always come into play when assistance is doled out. Besides, we've done class-based assistance before. And in ALL of those cases, Black folks were severely limited or outright denied a share of the pie to benefit White people and other, lighter skinned, races that prove momentarily useful. We're also unfairly used as scapegoats when the government wants to reduce financial assistance for the poor.
Yeah, but then she immediately called him a charlatan ("of sorts,") which is at direct odds with the claim he's a pawn, she's just too stupid to realize it.
@peterporkeresq.2817 A charlatan is a person intentionally deceiving others, implying that they know what they are saying is untrue. A pawn is a person who is duped, a useful idiot who is unwittingly advancing an agenda. Setting aside the fact that neither alegation is accurate or appropriate for a panel discussion, they are ABSOLUTELY mutually exclusive.
@@tcorourke2007 No, they're not, you may be aware of the ulterior motives of those backing and sponsoring you and go along with being used while cashing-in at the same time. Ergo a pawn being used for someone else's agenda and a sellout who's aware of being used at the same time. They're not even close to being mutually exclusive. C o ondace Owens comes to mind. You think she's unaware of the motives of the likes of Shapiro?
Once again I find myself saying to Anna you don't speak for black people. I agree with Sunny. The right has taken his words and used them against black folks. That is the very definition of a pawn. I have seen him on several shows and podcasts and I have have always felt the exact same as Sunny. I am not a democrat and I do welcome conversations that challenge my thinking. For you to say she just dismissed him without having known what he was about is disingenuous, you don't know that. Just like you don't know if we have done that. I agree with you he makes some very valid points and in theory I do agree with some of what he says however that doesn't change what Sunny said or make it vitriolic... Black people I know DO feel that way about him. Including Dr. Kings daughter. So please don't speak for the Black community. Your assessment of Sunny's comments very slanted and inaccurate.
Ah well, clearly that means we must dismiss everything said because some bad actors will try to hijack the message... By this logic we can dismiss every single idea.
@@adampike3834if you don't understand white supremacy you will never understand anything in America if you are black. This guy also was preaching that blacks have lower IQs because this white nationalist wrote a book.
She always was like this though. I always saw it. Which is why I stopped watching tyt. She has just been showing her colors more over the years. But she was ALWAYS like this if you paid attention.
I have never said what any black or brown person needs. Black and brown people are doing fine on their own. She broad brushes the white people are bad and if you don't see that you have blinders on
I totally agree with you.. the human population is not even near there YET. We're having trouble crawling much less walking in the right direction..🤷🏾♂️
@@JakeC-xx8zq I didn't say a person isn't capable of it. But society as a whole is not there yet. For example, the caste system in India, civil wars in Africa, the Shia and Sunni in Iran, the Dems and Republicans in America, etc...etc.. TRIBAL
Color blind economic policies would be an ideal approach if it was an even playing field to begin with but because it's largely out of balance due to America being built on slavery, disenfranchisement, systemic racism and ws then reparations to American descendants of slaves first and then we can be color blind with our policies all day long - level the playing field first so we can all grow at the same rate together.
So, how do you justify giving rich brown people advantages over others instead of focusing on merit or economics? For example rich Indians getting million dollar government contracts under the 8a program.
@@extremeresponsibility If the goal is to increase the numbers of blacks or people of color in institutions of higher learning, their income does not matter. No one has an issue when black and white athletes get full rides to play sports and they come from money... They can give some people a hand due to their economic situation, and as far as giving black extra points for being black to get into institutions, that's not totally necessary because there are plenty of POC and blacks who meet the qualifications, they just have to find them in the pile... Diversity is valuable, and by diversity i mean race, socioeconomic, and culturally. Many of us live in segregated communities and our children are often segregated by default in the lower graders so in the collegiate level they kind of need to get experience dealing with other kinds of people and other perspectives.
To lift classes up as a whole would help Blacks and Hispanics disproportionally without leave poor white people out of the mix. This was the politics of MLK.
If he read Dr. Kings writings, he clearly missed the point. How can you be against reparations for black Americans? Addressing all poverty is the goal, but when you dont force white lawmakers to also focus on non white people who have been disproportionately targeted, we have seen how that turns out. It gives them an excuse to avoid making up for hundreds of years of racist policies.
When does Ana write a book called "Gender Blind". Where she tries to fix gender issues in this country by economics or some other means with out bringing up gender?. When does someone write a book called "Sexual preference Blind"? . Where someone from the LGBTQ community tries to fix what they consider as sexual preference issues thru some other means without mentioning their sexual preference.
Oh, it only works with race. The same way we will solve racism by not talking about it, you know, according to those most affected by it - white people.
Why is it that those who rail against identity politics are also the first to use identity politics when it suits them, as Ana does both almost in the same sentence when calling Sunny a “wealthy woman of colour”. To pretend that hundreds of years of oppression and prejudice has simply fully disappeared within a generation and that no systematic racial bias remains that needs addressing is either ignorant at best or disingenuous at worst.
Ana leave what’s best for the black community to us. Just because you married a brown person doesn’t mean you get to speak on what’s best for us. Stop preaching about issues you don’t understand.
@@hamiltonkemp6378 😂 Don't know the difference between race and ethnicity I see. Vin Diesel is half African American. What do you think a police officer is going to put as his race if he writes him a citation?🤔 I for example am a 1/4 Native American, without me telling you, would you deduce that upon looking at me? Nope.
Ana, he makes some good points. However, this country was built on racism and is inherently racist. If you don't address the race issue and make reparations, monetary disbursements for slavery you can't fully address the class issue. You need to do more research on race and racism in America. Remember, your family came here many years after slavery and your perspective is from the view of the time you became aware of these issues. Black Americans have been here for hundreds of years and have a lived experience that you and your family that came here does not have. Soi it is kind of shortsighted for you to try and lecture Sonny when you don't have her lived experience. People should want to learn from the people who have the lived experience and know what it means to be 'black" in an inherently racist society. You have not had to suffer raced based prejudice your whole life, so on what research and lived experience are you basing your ideas? Stop telling black people how to feel and start to listen. It's obvious the guy you're agreeing with is compromised in his perspective because he does not have a full view of understanding that Sonny is speaking from. If you study MLK closely you will see that was was closer to Marcus Garvey than you would ever think, especially with regards to reparations. He, MLK spoke out against class injustice because it was unjust, as you tend to speak out about injustices that you care about. But that does not negate his perspective, views and work for the betterment of black people. You are trying to place MLK in a box to support your own views instead of studying him fully and that's what the guy was trying to do and Sonny was not having it, and neither should you if you want to be taken seriously. At the moment you can't be taken seriously on this issue. Have you studied WEB Dubois, John Henrick Clarke, Dr. Fuller, Dr. Cress Welsing, Marcus Garvey, Dr. Ben Jochannan, Cheik Anta Diop? Or, have you listened to the Bob Marley album Survival closely. Have you done any of these things? Have you really studied their work deeply and seriously and take a scholarly approach to the issue? I bet not or you would have a better understanding of the issue. You should look up Dixon White on youtube, you can start there.
Black people today dont deserve anyone's money but there own money. You got to work to earn your money, nobody was a slave today, and nobody was a slave owner, people come to this country with nothing and work hard, black people have every chance to succeed if they work hard just like anyone else.
@@Cecebenjiroxyit's their. And what is your reasoning behind reparation being paid out to all of these other groups in class of people over the past century? And those payouts were due to them because of the US government.
@@Cecebenjiroxy Whoooo gives a fuck how other people comes to this country & accomplish! If it was for the Civil Rights Movement foreigners would NOT even have that opportunity to do so. have been built for FREE & if wasn't for slavery (also FREE labor) WHITES wouldn't have the monetary advantage that they have til this day. Anything White folks has obtained was due to the detriment of others. White folks have NEVERRRR gained anything honestly bcuz they're too gat damn lazy. And a lil known fact: Anything MY people built of their own, you jealous WHITE DEVILS purposely destroyed....SO WE ARE INDEED OWED REPARATIONS! ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
@@kareem8250 which groups have reperations been paid to. If Sonny was a slave, I would say pay her reperations, thats it. Nobody deserves money for someone elses suffering.
Is Ana OK? Is it just me, or has she completely been taken over by Twitter reactionary politics? At this point, some of her points laughably dense. It would be funnier if it wasn't actually disappointing.
I think Sunny Hostin is right, he's a right-wing pawn,Sunny came from poverty and worked herself up from poverty, now your going after her for wearing nice clothes.
I understand what he's saying however it's extremely unrealistic. Everyone remembers and brings up..I have a dream. But they ignore him saying he believes he integrated his people into a burning house. If he's truly believes in this colorblindness theory. Take himself that theory and his book to a white nationalist or Klan rally and see how well it's received. People love to preach to the black community to back off of their stance. Yet allow the opposition to push their stance at will. Black Panthers..nation of Islam ..targeted and eliminated. White nationalist and Klan..part of the us government.
Can you all at TYT bring in someone else - ANYONE ELSE - to do segments on issues of race? Really ANY other contributor will do! John, Francesca, Jayar...because these ill-prepared, poorly-researched, half-baked takes... it's enough already. I don't even mind disagreeing with a contributor but this is neither entertaining nor informative.
Yeah, Ana just likes being a reactionary contrarian and she's doing it because she keeps getting praised for it by people on the right who enjoy the fact that she's embracing their right-wing framing on a host of policy issues. She's not going to stop.
Ana is complete garbage she whines complains about "identity politics" yet claims because of her identity as an Armenian American she can't support President Biden .
You have to target both economics and race because Black people, in a lot of specific historical instances, are targeted to be economically punished. Class-based politics are great, but to ignore that race doesn't impact those benefits in real life is naive.
No problem with Ana wanting “colorblindness”. Most Black voters disagree. If you really read MLK, he disagreed. Most Black voters disagree with Coleman Hughes. Most Black voters did not want Bernie Sanders to be President. To be honest, most Black voters rejected TYT’s Nina Turner. What is not going to happen is people outside the community dictating what the Black voting community should think. Ana doesn’t want others telling her how to vote, she cannot tell the Black community how to think. Cenk had zero support in the Black community. Let’s have an honest dscuasion about Hughes’ mischaracterization of the words of MLK Jr. Having a podcast is not the equivalent of people with advanced degrees doing a deep study of MLK Jr.
He absolutely destroyed her. Let’s call a spade a spade
With class and grace and good ideas.
Agreed!
He didn’t destroy anyone! Hughes has no business even speaking on these topics in public. His opinions, which are all they are, are irrelevant. I believe he’s an immigrant. One of the many failures of the US education system is our reckoning of history.
Just as she may be inaccurate on some details of history so is he. Difference is her premises are correct his isn’t. 250 years of arguably the worst slavery system in human history, a bloody and violent reconstruction, almost a century of debt peonage, dozens and f thriving black communities destroyed, thousands of lynchings, tens of millions of black farmland destroyed, Jim Crow, Co-intelPro….
I could literally go on and most of the atrocities I mentioned happened well after slavery! But according to Hughes, and it’s not his idea by the way, a rising tide lifts all boats…., which is a foolish idea for many reasons.
@CarlNipmuc Your points are well stated and accurate…! In social media, there’s this other trend of ascribing emotion in a way that attempts to deflect from the content of one’s argument while diminishing the individual, a form of ad hominem. “Why you mad 😡….”
As if to say, to simply express emotion about something or even anger is of itself something to be ashamed of. Even worse are the times when said emotion is applied where it doesn’t exist. It’s like them calling us victims by merely stating facts. I’m in a better position than most, but I worked hard to get here and I can argue that I would be better off if I were a white male. Traits that make people uncomfortable would be praised if I were white….
My point is, we must push against the narrative! People get frustrated in debates, discussions, and arguments because they go in unprepared! I’ve done the research, sat with the issues and thought through them objectively.
Therefore, I can easily dismantle people like Hughes while also recognizing the truths and inaccuracies or inconsistencies in his opponents argument. Objectivity, is somewhat of a super power with me at this point. I take certain positions and continue to maintain them based on the data and reality of what consistently presents itself. That’s why we engage my friend….
@CarlNipmuc Yes I know Fuller. Some of us can’t even be bothered with actually learning our history let alone seeking to place things in their proper context. Again, many people don’t know how to debate and fall into more based exchanges and reactions. So I respect your personal decision to not engage considering you seem to be informed. It’s a personal decision.
For me I feel it necessary to counter them at times regardless of whether or not they’ll change or hear. I’m not really concerned with them changing or liking me. Many of the so called black conservatives are really only worried about acceptance from them and they are willing to do almost anything to get it.
What I will say is, it’s light work at this point for me. No one really knows what comes next after this life or what the real meaning of life here is, one accepts or believes what makes sense to him or her. As Fuller said, “if we don’t understand racism and white supremacy, everything else will only confuse us!” One does not need to change to be convicted. Sometimes they just need to know there are black people who know what the game is….
“I know his daughter” lmaooooo
😂😂 Right! Like that made her ridiculous comments credible.
It’s a ridiculous appeal to authority.
Racism and classism is a huge problem in the world as a whole
Classism is not a form of discrimination － Civil Right policy seeks to administer and rectify inequities based on the injustices made by discrimination.
You are right! But it can’t be solved until racism is dealt with. They keep trying to get pass it without dealing with it.
@@youtubepolitics5789 "Classism is not a form of discrimination"
Do you mean legally? In moral terms, I would strongly disagree.
Classism is necessary you can't be friends with everyone. This is based on values ambition and morality. A lot of lower class people are not interested in education or any type of real virtue.
No. People who complain about everything are the problem, especially the weak men. Everyone in the world has challenges. Who cares. Get over it and be a man already.
Sunny is a nauseating humam being. She overestimates her importance in this genre. That young man handled himself like an intelligent, experience, author. She tried to take him down but he stood his ground and handed out the knowledge.
I want Sunny to debate TYTs Sonny and Anna. They would rip her to shreds.
The only mistake she may have made is alleging he’s a paid shill for republicans! Unless you have facts of something you can’t allow that to become the primary argument. Hughes doesn’t know what he’s talking about! You all don’t really know history.
Not as much as you.
Coleman's intellectual honesty and robustness eclipses the partisan shallowness of The View.
Where's the honesty or robustness?
Well Sunny knows Dr. King’s daughter so of course she is right
❤❤❤yup- SHE IS TOTALLY ON-POINT !
Lmao 😭..I caught the sarcasm
It’s amazing to see Anna be brave enough to speak the truth, sonny is a disgrace
Anna is a disgrace! I’m tired of people who aren’t even from this country feeling emboldened to speak publicly about what black descendants of slaves are owed! It’s insulting…. You all clearly don’t understand history, its nuance and how to place events in their proper context.
Coleman is a hero, smarter than all in that room combined. Listening to his brilliant podcast from the beginning, I’m very happy for his great, great feedback on his appearance on the view.
I see this same comment under Thomas So we'll videos from people who will swear up and down that any black person who is willing to denounce the gravities of racial inequality, or who will downplay the responsibility of our government to fulfill their promise of reparations, directly to AAs for our ancestors, is somehow a brilliant gem of a genius; our national treasure; a real hero. Y'all love y'all some early MLK quotes, but won't quote what got him deleted. Y'all are sheer.
@@helpusall5987 I can afford to be more straight forward than Coleman as I’m just a commenter. The way how I see it is that it’s you who is the r@cist.
@@AdamBetweentheLines I bet you do.
@@helpusall5987 I do. There are two ways to play socialism, based on socio-economic status like the lefties do, or based or r@ce like the n@zis did. These are your options. Think a little.
@@AdamBetweentheLines Rereading my comment to you, and your response, it's clear that you are fos. I never called you a racist. Which is a hint to me that you might have already been called a racist so often that you respond immediately by transferring that accusation onto your accusers - a child's slight of hand. Maybe you should deeply reflect on the stances you have taken in life. Maybe they are more racially divisive than you are ready to recognize.
Lastly, in America the ability to progress is already based mostly on your socio-economic status. Socio-economics heavily favors one group of Americans (WAs) bc that group has long benefitted from biased socio-economic laws, unwritten codes of ethics, AND race-based incentives: all created to hinder other groups (like BAs). So what he's calling for is not some brilliant, ground-breaking, leveling of the playing field. It's a call to stick to the script. Something that sounds great to a Nazi.
ana spittin facts
No, she’s not
I am a Black person and I can’t stand Sunny. She always acts like she speaks for Black people she definitely does not speak for me. It is this young man’s RIGHT as a human being to believe what he wants to believe. I don’t have to agree with everything he says because I have my own opinion about things.
Coleman is right
@CarlNipmuc shut up
@@Flashyfinancier 🖕u right winger
U shut up 🤬
So Coleman has a right to his opinion but not Sunny?
@@ladyk7675 Sunny is Puerto Rican
"I will NOT be voting for Biden after his response to Israel"...
But THIS guys "thoughtful"?
Um, I don't think so, Ana...
Yeah she complains endlessly about "identity politics" then turns around and uses her Armenian identity as to why she won't support the president... She's a clown
Sunny is truly had her time on the View I’m so tired of listening to her racism
@6:06 and at this exact moment Ana exposes how bad faith of a journalist she really is in this story. Sunny and Coleman had a debate on what MLK said. If Ana and her minions.. I mean team did some research she could tell the audience who was factually correct in what MLK said or at least enlighten the audience with a fuller context. But instead she uses an ad hominem attack to diss Sunny. I could do the same Ana "Why are you're talking about Black and Hispanic issues when you're white" See how that works and how dumb doing that is?
Anna is Spanish..thats what she said..LOL
Ad hominem attack? Sunny doesn’t seem to favor class based policies. Ana just points out the fact that Sunny is saying this while wearing a Gucci button down shirt and Gucci belt which signals a high class financial status to anyone who’s heard of Gucci. Otherwise Sunny is saying “I have a lot of money and don’t want policies that help people without a lot of money.” It’s totally relevant to the conversation!
@@Halberstramshaberdashery LOOK IT UP sunny came from poverty and WORKED hard to get to wear Gucci and still UNDERSTANDS POVERTY..don't JUDGE a book by its GUCCI PIN cover..AMERICA VOTE BLUE save AMERICA from pandering criminals.. VOTE BIDEN 2024..
@@matrixanalytica1089 I understand her points perfectly fine but asserting that Coleman Hughes is a “pawn of the right” is disingenuous and unhelpful. Also, I’m not some anti-DEI, anti-CRT, “divisive concepts” law supporting ignorant clown who’s clueless on Black history. Quite the opposite actually. The Civil Rights leaders that made the most impact on me are W.E.B. Du Bois, James Baldwin, MLK and most of all Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael).
@@Halberstramshaberdashery You just removed race from the topic. You lose.
It is intellectually dishonest to say that race isn't a factor when it comes to racial disparities. To try to solve everything with economic policy isn't the solution. White southerners rejected The New Deal in the 1930s BECAUSE it was designed to help everyone, INCLUDING black people. Most race riots in the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century were due to white anger towards black economic progress. I live in Birmingham, Alabama. From 1949 to 1965, an area of the city where prominent and successful black people lived was called Dynamite Hill. Ya know why? Because, white people were exploding black people's houses because they didn't believe that black people should have nice houses. Addressing economics alone doesn't solve all of society's problems, particularly race. Because, it doesn't matter how much money someone has, if your class system is based on race, racism will continue to persist until it is addressed directly.
Do you really expect Ana, a rich privileged white lady, to understand that?
@@mymiphone1841 For as much as she professes to be a progressive and for as long as she has covered these types of issues, she should know better. At this point, Ana is guilty of willful ignorance, which is nothing more than an avoidance of accountability and doing what needs to be done to make things right. Because, it would require giving up some of her privilege which she has come to enjoy immensely.
Tell that to the poor White people in Appalachia. 🙄They have been forgotten by both Republicans and Democrats.
@@andrewhoward1878 she's getting ridiculous with her ignorance and 1st grade knowledge of MLK. In the video Coleman and Sonny were arguing regarding what MLK actually said. A perfect opportunity as a journalist to research and provide the audience with the full context. Ana instead talks about Sonny's clothes and completely dodges that part... because Sonny was right regarding the historical average economic disparity amongst blacks and Hispanics compared to white people in this country. And by admitting that the whole it's only a class issue falls apart.
@@roxyfoxyyy7 OK. However, if you still help the poor in Appalachia, that doesn't put an end to racially biased police brutality, close the racial wealth gap, address racial health disparities, disproportionate convictions and the sentencing of black people, particularly black men in the courts as opposed to white men who have been charged with the same crime, voter suppression, gerrymandering, the attack on programs that focus on educating students about diverse groups and hiring practices that are designed to ensure opportunities for people from diverse backgrounds. Those issues will still exist.
Pretending that they don't doesn't make them go away. To assume such is a disservice to people like me who have to face unnecessary obstacles everyday.
Ana ignores that poor rural whites will gladly vote against these "socio economic policies", because it in large part will help poc's of similar economic situations. Just last year Missouri rejected federal food that would have helped children of all races with similar poor economic situations continue to get the food they had while in school. We continue to see home appraisals be different for the same house when it appears it's owned by blacks and not whites. Sunny is trying to point out that even when things are the same, there is still a race based bias and to ignore it is being willfully obtuse.
You just made an excellent comment, and I generally like Coleman.
OMG Thank you for saying it! Poor white people will vote against their own socio economic interest, for the sake of race. Hence Donald Trump supporters. Obama left office and they thought this rich white man had their social economic interest in mind? No, a rich white man lied to them and they fell for it. Did Trump not also say the central park 5 were guilty even thought they were found innocent? How many black people were treated the same? And more on race being a factor of black Americans' social economic welfare, just look at how many ways race has affected our justice system for black Americans. Arrests and indictments, bail, guilty pleas, can't afford a lawyer, legal sympathy, convictions affecting future jobs or even home opportunities. That all impacts generational wealth.
Bingo!
"poor rural whites will gladly vote against these "socio economic policies", because it in large part will help poc's of similar economic situations"
I would like a source for that because your next example did not have anything to do with racial prejudice but economic policy
@@jesusbarrera6916if you need an example. You should go read the color of law. Plenty of examples in there.
I have a lot of respect for Coleman Hughes. And Ana Kasparian. They stand out against a background of intellectual laziness and ideology.
Sonny is an insufferable gatekeeper. Her hostile stance towards this intelligent forward thinking young man was not only cringeworthy but so so disrespectful. I was disappointed that the other so-called ladies failed to call her out for her rude comments and behavior. 🤮👎
It's really all she's capable of. Just not that bright.
She can't really gate keep if her ancestor owned slaved.
Stfu....You sound like a Trumper...Another bigot not worth a 2 dead flies...
I've been a black voter my entire life. I have no problem with more emphasis on class-based politics, however, not at the exclusion of addressing the extremely well laid out historical economic impacts that the white supremacist structure and system established in this country has had on minority groups, especially African & Native Americans. There is no reason this country cannot walk & chew gum at the same time. I have no problem with Coleman Hughes. I just disagree with him because I've read enough to substantiate the conclusions I hold.
Ana is accusing Sunny of being entitled while providing her own thoughts as a white woman of some affluence in America. Even with both ladies having an entitlement of money and notoriety, both are not treated the same in American society. Ana will never understand that first hand.
How tight is that tinfoil hat ur wearing?
The Armenian Genocide begs to differ. When were any of your ancestors in the same boat?
@jadapinkett1656 everyones anscestors have had something happen to them. Americans today r the biggest cry babies on the planet
@@jadapinkett1656 which thankfully didn't happen in American society within her lifetime that she had to experience firsthand.
@jameskelton6579 I'm so sorry for being born a white girl in America. I didn't mean to. 🥺
She’s not lying
Just because she’s wearing gucci doesn’t mean she’s blind when it comes to poverty especially for low income black ppl
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tell that to Serena Williams
Another rich person against helping poor people.
Ana as a black woman you certainly don’t speak for me
Did she say she did?
@@VR20524 she was trying to blacksplain a black position. Don't do that too much nuance
@@ashleysullivan3411
A black position that many willfully deny.
Lol, She never said she did??
@ashleysullivan3411 Oh I see, but black people are allowed to talk about everyone else, right? I mean, that's perfectly consistent logic we see every day. 💁🏼♀
Sunny: many black people think you're a pawn
Translation: i think you're a pawn
No we actually know he is a pawn in the blacc community and he’s not blacc it’s like an Italian pretending to be polish.
Anna, you should speak on your white privilege. And respect black people who speak about how we suffer daily from racism.
How do you suffer? It must suck living as a perpetual victim and blaming another race for your shortcomings. There's nothing that a white person or immigrant can do that you can't.
dumb comment!
all others group in US are doing good, latinos, african,arabs,asian, europeans, rusian, the only groups who cry racism and white privilege everywhere are black americans🤦♂
@@jeffersonhughes3580 🤔 then obviously there must be a problem, the only people that speak like you or people who aren’t affected by it.🤦🏾♂️ a group of people that have suffered from 244 years of slavery, another 100 years of Jim Crow, convict leasing, segregation do I need to continue? Has every right to complain, this country was built off a slave economy. So until America pays what is owed. We will continue to complain.🤦🏾♂️😡😡🤬
@@posey153 🤣😂😂 go away, Oh that's correct your ancestors wouldn't want you back and try to sell you again.
Sunny think she smarter then everyone in the room PERIOD
She just might be from the rhetoric I hear up and down the panel
@@immzbossyingrid5365 exactly 💯
@@immzbossyingrid5365 exactly 💯
The topic of slavery, the civil war, and the civil rights movement had a huge impact on the socio economic welfare of black Americans. You cannot have one conversation without the other.
Also poor white people, as MLK pushed for reparations to include poor southern whites
It had huge socio economic impacts on EVERYONE. Hell if you're going with slavery and wars all you folks should be paying the British. They ended the transatlantic slave trade for everyone, through war, loss of life and debt... They only finished paying the debt incurred by ending the trans Atlantic slave trade in 2015.
@@MrGgabber Making it all the more sad that many white people of his day accused him of being a race baiter and troublemaker just like many whites say now whenever social and economic injustice as it relates to race is brought up.
I was stunned when I first read some of the letters many years ago at how nothing has changed in terms of how more conservative-minded people try to gaslight and deflect on those issues. And Trump along with this whole anti-woke movement has made those non-arguments the go-to response even more.
Then there's the added irony of how these same people whose equivalents in the past despised King now pretend that his speech about content of character was primarily meant to defend whites from being judged for THEIR color. And of course they completely ignore the socialist aspect of his politics (both conservatives and mainstream liberals ignore it; conservatives will focus on his Christianity and liberals will focus on his black identity) in order to try and use his legacy as a cudgel AGAINST the social justice movements of today. It's the most cynical thing ever.
@@megavolt67👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I keep saying this. Cenk Uger and Anna Kasparian have made video upon video criticizing Bill Maher. Yet they are sounding more and more like him every day.
Absolutely
Totally agree
She's right and you know it. The left doesn't care bout white people. The poor whites were betrayed and forgotten. They are the most oppressed people in this country.
They need that right wing audience
You can say that but everything left of TYT on RUclips nowadays is unwatchable. There’s been a huge drop in quality of content. For example, Secular Talk straight up sucks now.
Sunny has her opinion, Coleman has his. So, Ana has her opinion too. I also have an opinion. Coleman suggests the help goes to disadvantaged people regardless of race, Sunny wants it to go to minorities (regardless of how rich they are?, not sure about how that works). This was an interview, and he answered politely. The fact that it is so difficult to focus on the subject (how to help disadvantaged ?) without calling people racist, sellouts, and whatever... is actually the point Coleman is making: keep arguments on the subject and not on the people. It is amazing how the comments point to the personalities of Coleman, Ana, Sunny... it doesn't matter what Sunny or Coleman did in their life, or what "some people" say.
Or maybe do both? Why this false dichotomy? I don’t know anyone saying white poor people shouldn’t be helped as well. And you can do that without being “colorblind”. I am a poor white woman raising a white autistic daughter with intellectual disability, epilepsy, and a tumor disorder. We have challenges my Black male partner with a good job doesn’t have, but to be “blind” to struggles he faces as a Black man because he makes more money than me is insane. This false dichotomy you’re creating is the real problem.
I think his approach is a response to the way politics is. How democrats are "left" about race at election time to get the minority votes, and almost never left on socioeconomic issues. It all ends up being a game of smoke and mirrors. If they were actually left on socioeconomic issues, then everyone benefits and that is a tangible improvement.
Great point but unlike you ana being a white woman doesnt understand the difference and is ignorant to the way she sees the world
*" I don’t know anyone saying white poor people shouldn’t be helped as well."* Well there some but yes, the majority aren't saying that specifically. Every solution solution however apart from a class based approached completely ignores them.
I know a lot of poor white people that I work with get positions because they know white people in high positions. Your race helps you no matter your degree of intelligence
@@adampike3834 yes, and yet a class based approach still doesn’t help the fact that my son is more likely to be pulled over by a cop because of the color of his skin. So, that’s why I said both are needed. But of course establishment dems don’t want to discuss class bc of the class they’re in. Racism is still a problem but solutions to racism don’t hit them as hard personally, whereas taxing the wealthy does.
The problem with advocating for color blind policies to uplift the poor is the US has a history of cutting Black people out on the basis of race. For reference see the GI Bill and New Deal era policies like social security, and FHA home loans.
Exactly, it's always for blacks then ends up being everybody except blacks
This clown Coleman is a plant, been for years now.
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Stop being a victim
@@Flashyfinancier …stop victimizing us.
Exactly.
@@rainbeauxunicorn5237 shut up
Sunny is not a woman of color she white and Puerto Rican!
Exactly
Haha you’re laughable. Do your research
@@UserID56 like her ancestors being slave owners?
The title is misleading as Sunny Boston did say "some in the black community have accused you of being a pawn".
I don't think that Sunny Hostin was hostile to Coleman Hughes. They just have different perspectives and I enjoyed the exchange.
I think that broadening the discourse to include class is a valid point.
She’s not hostile towards him but the subject he was bringing up bc it directly targets the delusion she promotes
Then you clearly haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention to the media for the past 40 years... It's ALWAYS "some people say" to avoid any accountability.
@@adampike3834no matter how you spin it, it is still a misleading title.
@@jmase19 I don't think that Sunny is delusional. She just has a different perspective to Coleman's.
Sunny has a mind of a pre school kid , and actually believes her own lies
More and more young people in the black community are starting to see both parties for what they are and i love it. Critical thinking is essential.
White slave owners got THEIR reparations after slavery ended, Ana.
Take your time...
Glad to see the comments are on point. But maybe we should stop watching perhaps the trick is getting the comments
You’re never getting reparations.. get over it .. never!!
@SarahHuntsman888 Affirmative action, while well-intentioned, has not been sufficient to overcome the deep-seated economic and social disparities caused by centuries of slavery, segregation, and systemic racism. These disparities are not just historical artifacts, but ongoing realities that continue to affect the lives of African Americans today. As Ta-Nehisi Coates argues in "The Case for Reparations," affirmative action policies, which typically focus on increasing diversity in education and employment, do not address the broader social and economic inequalities that exist.
Moreover, affirmative action has been criticized for benefiting primarily the middle and upper classes, while leaving behind the most disadvantaged members of marginalized groups. In "The Souls of Black Folk," W.E.B. Du Bois writes about the concept of the "Talented Tenth," the idea that the most educated and successful African Americans have a responsibility to uplift the rest of the community. However, affirmative action policies that focus on increasing representation in elite institutions may inadvertently reinforce this divide, rather than addressing the root causes of inequality.
Color blindness, the idea that we should not "see" race and should treat everyone equally, ignores the reality of systemic racism and the ways in which race continues to shape our society. In "The New Jim Crow," Michelle Alexander argues that the mass incarceration of African American men is a form of racial control that functions in a similar way to the Jim Crow laws, despite being ostensibly colorblind. Similarly, in "White Fragility," Robin DiAngelo argues that the idea of color blindness prevents white people from acknowledging and addressing their own racial biases.
The idea of color blindness also ignores the ways in which government policies have actively created and perpetuated racial segregation and inequality. In "The Color of Law," Richard Rothstein argues that housing segregation in America was not a result of private discrimination, but a product of explicit government policies. This history of government-sanctioned discrimination cannot be addressed by simply treating everyone equally under the law.
Finally, the focus on individual success and meritocracy that often accompanies discussions of affirmative action and color blindness ignores the ways in which systemic inequality affects people's lives. In "Evicted," Matthew Desmond shows how the lack of affordable housing can trap people in a cycle of poverty, regardless of their individual efforts. Similarly, in "The Warmth of Other Suns," Isabel Wilkerson tells the stories of African Americans who left the South during the Great Migration, seeking better opportunities in the North and West, but often finding that systemic racism and discrimination had followed them.
@SarahHuntsman888 Funny how the slave owners only settled for cold hard currency...🙄
@SarahHuntsman888 No, they *aren't!* 😠
Sorry Anna, you're wrong. If you like him then you can have him. As a Black man who is twice your age I've him before (in others) and I know where this leads. I'll wait ....
Thank you for speaking up.
So where is he wrong?
If you dont have an argument, just accuse the opponent of being right wing
Don’t forget fascist or Nazi
As a Black person, I disagree with Ana's analysis on this matter because I don't live in a color blind world. If I go shopping, I am looked as a black woman. TYT should have a Black journalist do this take because it make Ana look like she doesn't know what she talking about. Our American society and justice systems treat Black people different from another race in the United States.
Right and I'm looked at as a half white, half Asian person. And your point is? Do I need to obsess over my identity 24/7?
@@Zoolama34709As a Black woman in America, I am not a victim but a survivor because I face stuff you will never face. Just for you to make your comment prove my point. Thank you.
@@Zoolama34709 How are you trying to dismiss "her" lived experience? How she should process her journey.
i@@Zoolama34709 Yeah because when Dylan Roof killed those black folk. He made it obvious he murdered them because they were black.
So what do you want done? You want to pass laws that try to stop people from looking at you a certain way? This is wishy washy nonsense.
Mlk jr said THIS CAMPAIGN WE COMING TO GET OUR CHECK! He was pushing for REPARATIONS FIRST! Yall are the sneaky foxes Malcolm X warned us about!!!
So, you ignored the very next thing he said... and just stormed away in your emotional rampage... How ever so stereotypical.
@adampike3834 No I FOCUSED on the thing he said. That liberals and conservatives seem to always leave out. We'll Black Americans from California to N.Y. focused on Reparations and Deportations!
@@jamesbey8779 What was the very next thing MLK said about the form reparations should take?
Look, we get it, you're emotional and full of rage, but if you don't base this emotion on reality then you only look ridiculous.
@adampike3834
This isn't about emotions, you coward hiding behind a avatar! This is about JUSTICE!!! Take your reverse psychology and gas lighting @$$ elsewhere. REPARATIONS is the #1 Priority of the GRASSROOTS Black American political movement. Everything else is a DISTRACTION! ruclips.net/video/pLV5y4utPKI/видео.htmlsi=ZmPXhlXUVLfhZtCD
@@adampike3834 Dr. King was talking about reparations in the form of money, cash payments💰.
Ana, you missed what Sunny just said. She said that race also mattered. She agreed with him that MLK talked about how the importance of class, and also said that race was important to him, which is true. MLK never advocated for completely eliminating race from the conversation. He was nuanced.
Also, Sunny said that she said that people were using him and co-opting his message on the right. Not necessarily that he is a grifter.
Sunny is a race baiting POS, everything is racism, loves the victim mentality more than anyone I have seen, and she is half white, but fails to recognize that for some reason.
She's a POS because she says things in media that needs to be said or asked? It's a "victim" mentality to shine a light on the issues and wrongs that still are perpetuated in the Minority communities? Then yes, guilty as charged! FOH 🤡@@Cecebenjiroxy
@@Greatnate-xz1dl @Cecebenjiroxy has to be a bot. lolz true on the clown behavior.
Damn Anna. More and more you deny that color is still a huge issue. "F" this guy and you have lost one.
She didn't actually call him a pawn. She did say that many called him a pawn or charlatan. As far as policy goes, shouldn't we start with education and policing? Also, let's be honest the media has hung blacks every chance that they have had the opportunity. To be clear, I'm not speaking about new media, which includes your network. I can't say that i watch the view, but i do know that for the most part, you don't like the view. Saying she's wealthy and can't recognize certain things is a bit like what the right says about black athletes.
Welp, there it is. Ana's true colors shown. When they show you who they are, believe them.
Yup best believe it and leave behind
She has shown them for years actually
Spoken like a bigger tribalist than Ana will ever be.
Of course Ana is a Coleman fan. She's aiming for that Daily Wire money.
A colorblind society is wishful thinking. As long as there are racist( no matter what race you are) there will always be racism.
How much of general society is racist, though?
Hard to say these days since anything can pass as racism.
Coleman Hughes SAID a colorblind society is wishful thinking. It’s clear you don’t have the capacity to even LISTEN.
Exactly. Colorblind society it’s not realistic.
Please name just ONE policy that would be more helpful targeting a sordid race than a specific class. Just one?
the only racists these days are people like Sonny and Whoopi.
First time in a while ive give a like for this channel. As this is a good honest take.
No, it’s not
I agree with Sunny on this one. Her clothing brand shouldn't matter, either.
All she ever want to do is come between black people Let her tell it all white people love Donald Trump FTB
He's both authentic in his beliefs and is a pawn of the right. The two things are not mutually exclusive. His message is more palatable to whites as it refutes inequality as being the result of race. My issue with him is that he tends to minimize race in ways where it's obvious and at the very least a factor. Anna's characterization of Sunny as being triggered or as exhibiting vitriol are gross exaggerations at best.
No ma’am sunny hostin has always been mean and nasty if you don’t agree with her she won’t attack your opinion she attacks you….
He's a grifter just looking to get his race hustling career popping and earn millions, just like all the other black sellouts like Candace and tatum. The conservative race hustle is very lucrative, even al Sharptonis envious.
Saying Sonny Hostin exhibits vitriol is a “gross exaggeration”??🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nice try.
The View IS vitriol.
lol gross exaggerations….sunny attacks everyone who disagrees with her….she attacks the person instead of attacking the person’s opinion
You guys are woke lunatics
Also, didn’t a study show that white women benefited most from affirmative action? When you don’t make it specific enough, white people seem to always benefit more from whatever policy you put in place
Which is another reason to create policies based on class rather than genetics.
All of the black racists came out to play.
@@adampike3834 Create policy based on lineage. Be absolutely targeted to the economic injury that was inflicted - specifically, slavery and the resulting economic apartheid. Yvette Carnell breaks down the foolishness of class politics. It’s becoming apparent that the left is incredibly unserious when addressing Black wealth disparity.
@@jonnyfyre Okay, which will ignore even more black people in the US and people of other races who are suffering. It will also result in some of the black people who already doing much better then 90% of the population getting even more. That will just make the problems even worse.
I'll do you one better. A policy on paper was colorless. The ones that introduced the GI bill, VA loan and all the other military benefits to US soldiers after WWII. Who was able to actual use those benefits 🤔? What color of people used that to build the generational wealth their families still benefit from today? Meanwhile the other group who faught in the same war faced barriers to use those benefits. So Ana can miss me with that whole we should just focus on class bs. Because we have historical context of "colorblind" polices that only certain people could take advantage of.
The people in the comment section championing Sunny's condescending attitude and lack of logic.. Is what's wrong with the Country..
How are you going to judge a black person on what blacks go through!
Okkkkk hello somebody lol
You're witnessing Malcolm X theory of Liberals and Conservatives being played out in real time.
Sunny didn't start with money. Effing Ana doesn't remember that.
@@yvonneplant9434and? She's proof then that colour isn't what holds people back, it's class
Just keeping in real . Sonny is 100% correct.
delusional
He is like you Ana confusing.🇯🇲
Ana, as much as I understand your reasoning that focusing on socio-economics is the best way to address inequality across the board and that all ships will rise including those black and brown ships. I know that it’s also the best way to get legislation passed. The problem is still the way that race influences the execution of those policies. Just ask black farmers about the Farm Bills and when these inequities are addressed by legislation, the remedy is met with the same logic that you’re proposing. I would be nice if we could get past the wrongs of the past without addressing them and move forward but it seems like that’s not going to be possible. They just continue to pop up all over the world.
Ana isn't worth trying to reason with.
Sunny clearly stated "many in the Black community" consider him to be a pawn. She never stated SHE considers him to be one.
Just like whenever an outlet writes a smear piece they say "accused of being".
Why does Slave Owners get to speak for the Black Community?
You like him because he maintained his composure?
No, because he made good and logical points.
Anna you definitely do not know much about Sunny. She was raised in the Bronx Projects she has worked hard for what she has. She did not come from a privileged background. Anna you should have investigated Sunny’s background before you make sloppy comments about a individual you don’t appear to know much about.
Sunny is a race baiter always bringing race in everything.She's a miserable, disgusting person."TheView" is nothing but leftist propaganda.
Ana did not do her research
Even more cringey, Ana, too, is a wealthy person.
Sonny Hostin is a half breed with a white mother. She thinks she's a black woman but she is not and she needs to stay in her Lane because if we were still enslaved she definitely would have more privilege over the darker hue!
Sonny and Ana both owe reparations
Ana is acting like this is new. Many have spoken on class based economics. I think she should just be honest and she’s tired of racism being tied to everything in this country and is sick of hearing of it and that’s to bad because that’s the country we live in. Not surprised of her opinions leaning right. What does the fact she’s wealthy wearing designer clothes have to do with anything. So she can’t have an opinion because she’s rich. Who is most likely to experience racism between Ana and Sunny regardless of class
The PROBLEM is PEOPLE like ANA. THEY need ANTI-BLACK people like coleman hughes to SPREAD their SICK IDEOLOGY. As YOU said in your POST, SONNY experiences some form RACISM on the DAILY basis whereas ANA does NOT. In FACT, the remark ANA made regarding SONNY'S CLOTHING is a RACIST/MICRO-AGRRESSION remark...😂🤣
@@LS-yu4fm... We get it. You're an obnoxious Troll who can't take anything seriously and you're a jerkass. That's obvious.
That's what I was saying.
@@seeleunit2000 YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT 🙏🙏
She is sickening! I turned off my favorite show beat Bobby Flay because I saw the wicked Sunny Hoestin! I can’t watch the view crap
Excuse me. Why can't she wear a Gucci Belt. She works legally in America.
Pointing out she is a rich person against helping poor people.
@@justlooking2902
Where exactly was she against poor people?
Ana, taking her rightful throne as the new porcelain princess😂
What does that mean?
@@VR20524 It means they can't handle her speaking the truth, so they resort to petty insults.
@@babyamyxo-o6c She’s not speaking “the truth”. She’s being self-congratulatory for her open-mindedness and criticizing ad hominem attacks while participating in them. The “address class-only view” is extremely inadequate and naive.
@@QuietRefl4378 Fair enough, but isn't OP & Sunny doing the same? Why are you pointing out only Ana? Why should we accept that double standard?
Is the black only view fairer or more adequate than a class focused view that encompasses poor people of all backgrounds?
@@babyamyxo-o6c I don't watch The View and don't know the hosts. What's "the black view"? Is there a "white view"? If so, what is that? Ana would advocate being colorblind, I'm sure.
Anna, Sunny was very respectful to him. He got a bit defensive. He get to feel the way he does because of the hard sweat and tears for the generation before him that fought hard against racism and still fight today...that is the spirit that Sunny is referring to.
Very respectful? by calling him a pawn? Word have definitions.
@@adampike3834he is a pawn. He may have his views but he's still a pawn.
@@kareem8250 And your evidence?
@@adampike3834 well. By his own words lol. He's saying the same crap white supremacist say, so if he's saying it for them class, what does that make him? Let's go look the definition of pawn and make sure you use it in context so you can keep up.
@kareem8250 Really? White supremacists say that race doesn't matter and we should live in a color blind society?
She obviously doesnt know the meaning of 'ad hominem'
You sound so petty and immature by bringing up her clothes. Would you agree with her if she was wearing your Walmart sweater? She’s a woman of a particular age who worked at a career, her husband is also a well off surgeon. It sounds kinda racist of you to act as if she’s not allowed to dare to wear a high class brand of clothing. I’ve always thought y’all were fair and usually open minded, lately y’all getting as bad as Trump and his cult followers.
#trump2024🇺🇸
That would make her a very racist person if she didn't have it then I (Ana) will have it smfh (FTB)
Blacks for trump
@@bang0utsc725 N word for Trump its a different from black people 🤡
This video was posted 15 hours ago as I’m typing this and it has less views than a cookie decorating video that was posted 3 hours ago. You lost, Ana. Never ever whitesplain black issues
He's a pos. He's smart, but he's arguing in bad faith. I agree that class is more important than race, but blaming black people is their lot is ignorant.
Soft bigotry of low expectations
Anyone else think he's trying hard to replace Candace at the daily wire, as their resident house N....?
I don’t agree. Race and class are connected and always been.
@@grandregentthragg7896then why are there poor white people?
@@grandregentthragg7896
They're connected, but it doesn't mean they're evenly important.
I don't think she dismissed him. I think she asked questions about his beliefs and about what others have said about him. I appreciate the push back. It is refreshing when there is a debate on views on a national show. We usually see interviews like Candice Owen on the Breakfast Club with no push back at all.
Sonny from the View was spot on about this dude! He is against Reparations!!!!
Everyone is against reparations. There isn't gonna be any. Dems lied.
Considering what she learned about her background, Sunny should be in the same position.
@@WAEVOICE, well said! Ana Kasperian is ine if thise covert white racist who hate black people she disagrees with!!!!!
I think this commentary shows where the white progressive separates from the experience of the African-Americans
White liberals have always been white first. The libs in my city vote for white politicians.
African-Americans want to be victims so bad
we have no allies
@@BasilMalik shut up
@@Flashyfinancier Make me.
I don’t understand those people who are upset at Ana for wanting to listen to Coleman’s argument. And why is it wrong to focus on poverty as a whole instead of by certain racial groups? I understand that Black and Hispanic communities might be more affected by poverty, but It makes sense to try and analyze and help all people regardless of race. I think Ana is doing a great job and hopefully Coleman is on the TYT soon.
Not might, the numbers specifically show a certain group is being mistreated way more than any other group. Let's not be disingenuous now
Ana actually earned back my sub. I'm so glad to see her having balanced sensible conversations on sensitive issues like this. Good on TYT, and especially good on Ana. Really love everything you're doing lately.
Yeah, 3 years ago, she would have reported this as Holsten being attacked by a far-right white supremacist.
@@tcorourke2007crazy few years, eh?😅
Ana is just another fan girl of Coleman Hughes and she is a bit mindless hater of Sunny who is has been wrong on so many issues. This is not one of them. Class based economic policies are great and should be combined with racial reparations. Coleman deliberately misrepresent MLK.
Forget about Ana's stupid Gucci accessories comment. Not very thoughtful on your part Ana.
reparations? who will pay for that? I wont pay for that shite.
How will that work? And who will pay for it? No one has viable answers to these questions.
@scratchpenny The same way it works whenever this country *wants* to get anything done. 😐
The one aspect that Ana ignores is that usually Blacks & Latinos are institutionally discriminated against whereas whites, for the most part, are poor for lack of personal incentive on their part.
See the difference?
It certainly would be understandable if poverty came about because of forces beyond our control… illness, disability, mental illness, etc.
And those factors do come into play for a number of us.
Still, We can’t ignore the Elephant in the room, which quite frankly is institutionalized racism against Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Gays, Disabled, etc.
We need to stop pretending it doesn’t exist because it’s expedient for one reason or another.
Visit Appalachia and tell all the poor whites there that they are poor because they are lazy.
Stop using the term racism as an umbrella term for all forms of discrimination.
That’s literally what the word “discrimination” is for.
It is literally impossible to be racist against “Gays” or “Disabled”, because those are not races.
@@garym6338 When one does not have a strong convincing argument
against the subject at hand one will inevitably deflect by drawing attention away to something as trivial as grammar.
Stop deflecting from the subject at hand.
I deliberately used it as a blanket term because the end result is always the same.
But you knew that already.
@@ERAZERHEAD-54 I wasn’t deflecting from the subject, I was specifically taking issue with you using the incorrect term. You could and should have just used the term discrimination instead of using the word racism to mean something it doesn’t. But you knew that already.
Regarding the subject at hand, your assumption that poor whites are poor due to lack of personal incentive whereas anyone black is poor because of institutional racism is also inaccurate and not the complete picture.
Is there institutional racism against black people? Absolutely.
Are all poor blacks poor because of institutional racism?? Absolutely not. Some black people are poor because of a lack of personal incentive also, just as some white people are.
Many people, regardless of race or skin colour are poor, primarily because of classism, not racism. They are born into families with no generational wealth (which could be for a variety of reasons), so start with nothing. Some people do manage to build themselves up from nothing (personal incentive, plus opportunity and luck usually), but most don’t.
A lot of successful people (most), don’t start with nothing. They come from a family that may or may not be rich, but are at least financially stable and they get a good head start in life (eg. Not having to face the issues of living in poverty, comfortably having housing, clothing and food, support and opportunity for a decent education and career, etc).
Am I the only one walking away from this feeling like Ana is saying Sunny is rejecting "class" as a category but hearing Sunny just saying that "race" needs to be accounted for; not discarding "class"? Sorry for the run-on but I am at least happy Ana admits to the bias in the beginning because I think it is showing.
Ana is totally broken. She is totally off her “liberal” rock
You're not the only one cause I interpreted Sunny's comments the exact same way.
The way that Ana is reading this conversation does show some White Privilege because race has always come into play when assistance is doled out.
Besides, we've done class-based assistance before. And in ALL of those cases, Black folks were severely limited or outright denied a share of the pie to benefit White people and other, lighter skinned, races that prove momentarily useful. We're also unfairly used as scapegoats when the government wants to reduce financial assistance for the poor.
Yeah, but then she immediately called him a charlatan ("of sorts,") which is at direct odds with the claim he's a pawn, she's just too stupid to realize it.
They're not mutually exclusive.
@peterporkeresq.2817 A charlatan is a person intentionally deceiving others, implying that they know what they are saying is untrue.
A pawn is a person who is duped, a useful idiot who is unwittingly advancing an agenda.
Setting aside the fact that neither alegation is accurate or appropriate for a panel discussion, they are ABSOLUTELY mutually exclusive.
@@tcorourke2007
No, they're not, you may be aware of the ulterior motives of those backing and sponsoring you and go along with being used while cashing-in at the same time.
Ergo a pawn being used for someone else's agenda and a sellout who's aware of being used at the same time. They're not even close to being mutually exclusive. C o ondace Owens comes to mind. You think she's unaware of the motives of the likes of Shapiro?
Once again I find myself saying to Anna you don't speak for black people. I agree with Sunny. The right has taken his words and used them against black folks. That is the very definition of a pawn. I have seen him on several shows and podcasts and I have have always felt the exact same as Sunny. I am not a democrat and I do welcome conversations that challenge my thinking. For you to say she just dismissed him without having known what he was about is disingenuous, you don't know that. Just like you don't know if we have done that. I agree with you he makes some very valid points and in theory I do agree with some of what he says however that doesn't change what Sunny said or make it vitriolic... Black people I know DO feel that way about him. Including Dr. Kings daughter. So please don't speak for the Black community. Your assessment of Sunny's comments very slanted and inaccurate.
Ah well, clearly that means we must dismiss everything said because some bad actors will try to hijack the message... By this logic we can dismiss every single idea.
@@adampike3834if you don't understand white supremacy you will never understand anything in America if you are black. This guy also was preaching that blacks have lower IQs because this white nationalist wrote a book.
It's weird how people act like they can't see this
@@thatmanfromcleveland2835 citation needed.
I mean, should black people be allowed to speak about any other demographic? Genuine question?
witnessing Anna slowly devolve into a reactionary pseudo right winger has been really sad to watch :c
lol. If anything shes becomes more of a centrist/liberal as she slowly leaves the cult of Leftism.
She was always that way. Her act is slipping.
She's a reactionary because she cares about poor white people and not just poor blacks? WTF is wrong with you clowns?
She always was like this though. I always saw it. Which is why I stopped watching tyt. She has just been showing her colors more over the years. But she was ALWAYS like this if you paid attention.
😂 I love when white women talk about what we black and brown communities need.
at this point we need to listen to more outside perspectives
I have never said what any black or brown person needs. Black and brown people are doing fine on their own. She broad brushes the white people are bad and if you don't see that you have blinders on
@gonzoyork1908 guess you didn't watch finding your roots
@gonzoyork1908 when she gets pulled over I wonder if they look at her and say oh she's Lebanese LOL.
Ana is so much better then ALL the women on the Views.
We aren't sophisticated enough as a society to be colorblind. We are tribal in every single thing we do. That's the sad truth.
Speak for yourself.
Just as democrats planned. What’s their game plan for the next term? Racism! White rural rage, they can’t answer a question about policy.
I totally agree with you.. the human population is not even near there YET. We're having trouble crawling much less walking in the right direction..🤷🏾♂️
Yeah but this makes society even more tribal. It's a regression not a progression
@@JakeC-xx8zq I didn't say a person isn't capable of it. But society as a whole is not there yet. For example, the caste system in India, civil wars in Africa, the Shia and Sunni in Iran, the Dems and Republicans in America, etc...etc.. TRIBAL
Color blind economic policies would be an ideal approach if it was an even playing field to begin with but because it's largely out of balance due to America being built on slavery, disenfranchisement, systemic racism and ws then reparations to American descendants of slaves first and then we can be color blind with our policies all day long - level the playing field first so we can all grow at the same rate together.
So, how do you justify giving rich brown people advantages over others instead of focusing on merit or economics?
For example rich Indians getting million dollar government contracts under the 8a program.
@@extremeresponsibility If the goal is to increase the numbers of blacks or people of color in institutions of higher learning, their income does not matter. No one has an issue when black and white athletes get full rides to play sports and they come from money... They can give some people a hand due to their economic situation, and as far as giving black extra points for being black to get into institutions, that's not totally necessary because there are plenty of POC and blacks who meet the qualifications, they just have to find them in the pile... Diversity is valuable, and by diversity i mean race, socioeconomic, and culturally. Many of us live in segregated communities and our children are often segregated by default in the lower graders so in the collegiate level they kind of need to get experience dealing with other kinds of people and other perspectives.
To lift classes up as a whole would help Blacks and Hispanics disproportionally without leave poor white people out of the mix. This was the politics of MLK.
How do we level the playing field? Everyone is a descendant of a slave at some point in history. How far do we reach back.
@@ktownc936 Everyone is not a descendent of slaves there are slaves and then there are indentured servants there is a difference.
If he read Dr. Kings writings, he clearly missed the point. How can you be against reparations for black Americans?
Addressing all poverty is the goal, but when you dont force white lawmakers to also focus on non white people who have been disproportionately targeted, we have seen how that turns out. It gives them an excuse to avoid making up for hundreds of years of racist policies.
Shut up. You are lazy. Go to work
and what form of reparations did MLK say he wanted? come on buddy, if you read his book you'd know.
Right on point, Ana. Colemen is a young superstar!
When does Ana write a book called "Gender Blind". Where she tries to fix gender issues in this country by economics or some other means with out bringing up gender?. When does someone write a book called "Sexual preference Blind"? . Where someone from the LGBTQ community tries to fix what they consider as sexual preference issues thru some other means without mentioning their sexual preference.
Awesome point lol 🤣
Well done here. Dope.
Love this
She's not blind she's racist
Oh, it only works with race. The same way we will solve racism by not talking about it, you know, according to those most affected by it - white people.
Why is it that those who rail against identity politics are also the first to use identity politics when it suits them, as Ana does both almost in the same sentence when calling Sunny a “wealthy woman of colour”.
To pretend that hundreds of years of oppression and prejudice has simply fully disappeared within a generation and that no systematic racial bias remains that needs addressing is either ignorant at best or disingenuous at worst.
Wokesters like you are ridiculous
Ana leave what’s best for the black community to us. Just because you married a brown person doesn’t mean you get to speak on what’s best for us. Stop preaching about issues you don’t understand.
Her husband white
@@haroldbrown893 he’s not. Try again
He is a latino like mine. Gatekeeping much? 😂😂😂
It's about what's best for everyone
@@hamiltonkemp6378 😂 Don't know the difference between race and ethnicity I see. Vin Diesel is half African American. What do you think a police officer is going to put as his race if he writes him a citation?🤔
I for example am a 1/4 Native American, without me telling you, would you deduce that upon looking at me? Nope.
Ana, he makes some good points. However, this country was built on racism and is inherently racist. If you don't address the race issue and make reparations, monetary disbursements for slavery you can't fully address the class issue. You need to do more research on race and racism in America. Remember, your family came here many years after slavery and your perspective is from the view of the time you became aware of these issues. Black Americans have been here for hundreds of years and have a lived experience that you and your family that came here does not have. Soi it is kind of shortsighted for you to try and lecture Sonny when you don't have her lived experience. People should want to learn from the people who have the lived experience and know what it means to be 'black" in an inherently racist society. You have not had to suffer raced based prejudice your whole life, so on what research and lived experience are you basing your ideas? Stop telling black people how to feel and start to listen. It's obvious the guy you're agreeing with is compromised in his perspective because he does not have a full view of understanding that Sonny is speaking from. If you study MLK closely you will see that was was closer to Marcus Garvey than you would ever think, especially with regards to reparations. He, MLK spoke out against class injustice because it was unjust, as you tend to speak out about injustices that you care about. But that does not negate his perspective, views and work for the betterment of black people. You are trying to place MLK in a box to support your own views instead of studying him fully and that's what the guy was trying to do and Sonny was not having it, and neither should you if you want to be taken seriously. At the moment you can't be taken seriously on this issue. Have you studied WEB Dubois, John Henrick Clarke, Dr. Fuller, Dr. Cress Welsing, Marcus Garvey, Dr. Ben Jochannan, Cheik Anta Diop? Or, have you listened to the Bob Marley album Survival closely. Have you done any of these things? Have you really studied their work deeply and seriously and take a scholarly approach to the issue? I bet not or you would have a better understanding of the issue. You should look up Dixon White on youtube, you can start there.
Black people today dont deserve anyone's money but there own money. You got to work to earn your money, nobody was a slave today, and nobody was a slave owner, people come to this country with nothing and work hard, black people have every chance to succeed if they work hard just like anyone else.
@@Cecebenjiroxyit's their. And what is your reasoning behind reparation being paid out to all of these other groups in class of people over the past century? And those payouts were due to them because of the US government.
@@Cecebenjiroxy Whoooo gives a fuck how other people comes to this country & accomplish! If it was for the Civil Rights Movement foreigners would NOT even have that opportunity to do so. have been built for FREE & if wasn't for slavery (also FREE labor) WHITES wouldn't have the monetary advantage that they have til this day. Anything White folks has obtained was due to the detriment of others. White folks have NEVERRRR gained anything honestly bcuz they're too gat damn lazy.
And a lil known fact: Anything MY people built of their own, you jealous WHITE DEVILS purposely destroyed....SO WE ARE INDEED OWED REPARATIONS! ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
@@kareem8250 which groups have reperations been paid to. If Sonny was a slave, I would say pay her reperations, thats it. Nobody deserves money for someone elses suffering.
@@Cecebenjiroxy I'm not googling for you. do you plan on leaving your kids anything in your will?
Oh Anna thats not what sunny was saying at all🤦🏻♀️
And im not a fan of sunny at all..
She's being realistic...
He's been idealistic...
EXACTLY what we need to bring together, Ana!!!
(Jesus, what are we DOING here!)
Because you are a racist.
Where is your proof that Black support for Trump has increased and what does a person’s attire have to do with the conversation. So childish!!
She's showing her true colors...I'm not surprised...
Sunny's counter points are lying and saying she knows MLK's daughter. Lmao
Is Ana OK? Is it just me, or has she completely been taken over by Twitter reactionary politics? At this point, some of her points laughably dense. It would be funnier if it wasn't actually disappointing.
His real name is Colman Cruz. he’s Puerto Rican.
He Black
@@Kysura very true
I think Sunny Hostin is right, he's a right-wing pawn,Sunny came from poverty and worked herself up from poverty, now your going after her for wearing nice clothes.
Another rich person arguing against helping poor people.
I understand what he's saying however it's extremely unrealistic.
Everyone remembers and brings up..I have a dream.
But they ignore him saying he believes he integrated his people into a burning house.
If he's truly believes in this colorblindness theory.
Take himself that theory and his book to a white nationalist or Klan rally and see how well it's received.
People love to preach to the black community to back off of their stance. Yet allow the opposition to push their stance at will.
Black Panthers..nation of Islam ..targeted and eliminated.
White nationalist and Klan..part of the us government.
Can you all at TYT bring in someone else - ANYONE ELSE - to do segments on issues of race? Really ANY other contributor will do! John, Francesca, Jayar...because these ill-prepared, poorly-researched, half-baked takes... it's enough already. I don't even mind disagreeing with a contributor but this is neither entertaining nor informative.
Cenk, John, Francesca and Jayar are great! I was a paid member for a short time. I couldn't take Ana anymore and ended my membership.
Yeah, Ana just likes being a reactionary contrarian and she's doing it because she keeps getting praised for it by people on the right who enjoy the fact that she's embracing their right-wing framing on a host of policy issues. She's not going to stop.
Ana is complete garbage she whines complains about "identity politics" yet claims because of her identity as an Armenian American she can't support President Biden .
All she wants to do is play black people against each other for her on Trump benefit FTB
You have to target both economics and race because Black people, in a lot of specific historical instances, are targeted to be economically punished. Class-based politics are great, but to ignore that race doesn't impact those benefits in real life is naive.
No problem with Ana wanting “colorblindness”. Most Black voters disagree. If you really read MLK, he disagreed. Most Black voters disagree with Coleman Hughes. Most Black voters did not want Bernie Sanders to be President. To be honest, most Black voters rejected TYT’s Nina Turner.
What is not going to happen is people outside the community dictating what the Black voting community should think. Ana doesn’t want others telling her how to vote, she cannot tell the Black community how to think. Cenk had zero support in the Black community. Let’s have an honest dscuasion about Hughes’ mischaracterization of the words of MLK Jr. Having a podcast is not the equivalent of people with advanced degrees doing a deep study of MLK Jr.
Well said! Well said! Ana acts like she is too above reproach!!!!
I’m relieved, surprised and impressed to see this. Good for The Young Turks for giving Coleman some good press. I think he’s genuine in his argument.