Sardonicast 155: Aquaman 2, Black Christmas (1974/2006/2019)
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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Timestamps:
0:00 Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
36:20 Black Christmas (1974)
1:12:50 Black Christmas (2006)
1:45:46 Black Christmas (2019)
2:21:29 Questions
2:44:51 Recommendation + outro 
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"When the characters were dying I was cheering. I hate these people. They were obnoxious, they were unlikeable. They don't feel like real people." - Alex, on women
This episode has now surpassed the 2021 Indiana Jones episode as the longest Sardonicast episode to date
RIP Ralph you would've loved Aquaman 2: The Wettening
I wish Ralph was here to review Aquaman 2 because I like how he says "terrible".
same
"tahrible"
“yea… too long”
bland
It sucks that Ralph was sacrificed to the Outer Gods of Xanthos. Hope his soul traversing the deep cosmos finds a way out of that.
I remember reading a Letterboxd review of The Flash (a positive review) in which he ended it by saying that he refuses to see Aquaman 2 until they completely remove Amber Heard. Dude you watched and enjoyed a movie with Ezra Miller.
My favorite part of this episode is Adam experiencing Italians
Southern Italians.
@@kairos_fluent The worst kind. Source: I'm from there.
He already experienced Ralph. Plus American-Italians are very different people than Italian-Italians, except the organized crime
RIP Ralph. It’s a shame that he drowned with the DCEU
This is what happens when the sub group chat just becomes DMs between two buddies.
Slain by Zack Snyder in a shootout
Ralph sucks
Big budget Lovecraft movies keep getting teased, and keep not happening, so if James Wan doesn't come through with Cthulhu I'll "bitch about it on the internet for a couple days."
We’ve had a few really good lower budget Lovecraftian movies, I went on a binge one weekend. My favorites were Color Out of Space, The Void, Coherence, and Annihilation.
Annihilation is amazing, I love it. Trippy, mysterious and haunting
@Wraiven22 I'd like to throw in Underwater with Kristen Stewart into the mix, great addition to the mythos
If you want to know why Black Christmas 2019 turned out the way it did, you need only to look at its production history.
Originally, director and co-writer Sophia Takal wanted to do a remake of I Spit on Your Grave for Blumhouse. But they didn't have the rights, so they offered her Black Christmas. She accepted since she was a fan of the original, hoping to do for that film what Luca Guadagnino did for Suspiria (Trying to capture the visual look and feel that the remake had). Another thing she was trying to do was up the feminism, hoping to make her version more applicable to current-day issues (The character of Professor Gelson was a spoof on Jordan Peterson and Donald Trump, how it explores what fueled #Metoo, and the whole "not all men" comment). When asked about the "not all men" scene, she said this:
_"That, to me, is my favorite scene in the movie because it feels like so many arguments I’ve had with men in my life who are wonderful, great men. That’s an argument a lot of people get into._
_I think there’s validity to what he’s saying, too. It’s not productive to think of men as a monolith of bad people. The most productive conversations I have with men who might want to be allies but sometimes have blind spots, was to just approach it in an open way. You don’t want them to have their guard up, because then they can’t hear what we’re actually trying to say."_ - *Sophia Takal, How 'Black Christmas' Takes Dead Aim At The Patriarchy*
Current issues weren't the only target in her crosshairs. Supposedly, the opening dance number is a satire on Mean Girls, a film Takal didn't like.
Regarding filming, it was done in New Zealand over 27 days. Overall, the film took 6 months to complete, which would be half the time it would take for a normal picture. Once it was released, audiences and critics didn't like it at all. Criticism was aimed at how the film handled its feminist themes, with the biggest complaint being that it was "too preachy"; being about as subtle as a wrecking ball going through your living room. Other complaints were how flat and boring the cinematography was, with the film even copying other scenes from horror flicks (The jumpscare from Exorcist 3 being the most prominent). Finally, everyone was sceptical over the rating, with Takal trying to set the record straight:
_"Okay, the truth behind was that as we were writing the script we were talking the rating, and were unsure what the MPAA would end up coming down on._
_Not because of the violence or anything like that, but because of the topic and how I had at least heard that the MPAA is pretty conservative about what they allow in a PG-13 movie when it comes to female sexuality, and because sexual assault is a big part of the plot. We just weren’t sure where they would land."_ - *‘Black Christmas’: Sophia Takal Sets the Record Straight About the Film’s PG-13 Rating.*
Others have speculated that it was done to get more arses in seats, seeing as how the film will cut right before a graphic death occurs. All these flaws have culminated into something that's often regarded as one of the worst horror remakes out there, making it to the IMDB Bottom 100 as of this posting.
So what even was Blumhouse trying to accomplish with this remake? Well, a lot of folks who have reviewed this have compared it to Get Out: seeing as how both films tackle social issues. But what separates Get Out from Black Christmas 2019 is that it knew that "story is king", seeing as it didn't placate the message over its plot. However, Blumhouse didn't even learn this seeing as they've been trying and failing to replicate that success with works like The Craft: Legacy, They/Them, and Exorcist: Believer going down this well to negative results.
Takal hasn't done another film as of 2024, being relegated to television directing. Compare this to her husband (Lawrence Michael Levine), who has directed a couple of indie films, with Black Bear being his most recent. Granted, that film does have some issues, but I bring it up since it also delves into the whole "men vs women" aspect infinitely better and smarter than what Black Christmas 2019 tries & fails to do. I could recommend it for a one-time watch, or at least as a palette cleanser after watching that crappy remake.
Bruh that moment when the production history is more enjoyable than the film itself 😂
Dog this video was posted 30 minutes ago.
I really like black bear.
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Are you putting more blame on the director or studio?
For Black Christmas? Director.@@TheMrlittletooth
@@Transmission_Rorythat’s crazy Landon is meant to spoof Peterson and Trump, isn’t he like one of the only good men in the movie?
Thank you for another great podcast episode!! I've been a fan since the beginning and seriously enjoy every new episode! You guys are doing amazing work and me (and everyone else of your content) appreciate everything you guys do for the podcast! Hope you guys are doing well and look forward to the next episode! Cheers bois!
When is their going to be the sardonicast movie 🧐
They would troll us. (I feel). That they would make a movie but it's a documentary of a 70s mock-u-mentary of themselves, while Ralph is in school. And Adam an Alex are always in the background NO MATTER what scene.(even though they graduated) While introducing themselves into the DC and marvel-verse.. For dead pools sake. 🫣😏 Then the time machine would flip the breaker cuz they ran the microwave and stove at the same time. 🫡. Sequel in 20 yrs to respect HALO. under contract we can't Dr. Who Adam . As well
*there
When Ralph makes it.
Hey sardonicast, besides patreon what is the best app that supports you financially Apple Podcasts, RUclips or Spotify? Like which one of those 3 should I be listening on
Commenting because I'm genuinely interested about the answer to this question.
RUclips, I think. Thank you!
They establish in the 1974 Black Christmas that the older woman who acts as a supervisor for the house had a separate phone line in her room/office.
Great short bro
Would love to hear you talk about mysterious skin or any araki movie. I know Alex doesn’t like mysterious skin and adum hasn’t seen it in a while, I think it would be a refreshing episode.
yeah he gave it a 9.
He also gave Million Dollar Baby a 9 and im cutious what he thjnks of that one now
What a coincidence that they came to cover Black Christmas 2019 after I put off watching the film for so long and watched it for the first time last month.
Can you guys talk about Leaving Las Vegas with Nic Cage and Elisabeth Shue or George Romero’s Monkey Shines.
At that time it was possible to call your number. Then quickly hang up.
Then if they answered the phone on the first ring. You could pick up the phone and talk to someone in the same house.
If Black Christmas 2019 is the one where everyone got Covid, then that's the one I had. Dodged the bug for almost 4 years before it finally caught me on Christmas Eve.
Merry Christmas
The Plinkett style lol
47:45 When the detective first visits the sorority house, he is asked by the "phone tap" guy if there's any other phones in the house, and the detective says something like "there is a phone in the house-mother's room but it's a different number. So that's the one that Billy was using to make the calls to elsewhere in the house 👍
Best intro so far…Aquamaaaaaaaan
When Johnathan Depp said “aquamaaaan”, he was being silly and wearing heard’s red wig belonging to her character
Black Christmas (1974) absolutely scares me and it is one of my all time favourite Horror films.
Black Christmas from 2006 was screwed by Bob Weinstein and it’s bad especially the lame killer. As for the 2019 film, it might as well been Christmas Sorority Row.
Oddly enough, although they may have taken Amber heard out of the film and promotional adverts, when you google the movie, she's 1st in the cast listing, placed before Jason Momoa.
If you want to do another thing comparing remakes you should do an episode on the Invasion of the Bodysnatchers movies
Agreed with Alex, I find Black Christmas 2006 to be a fun romp of schlocky mindless horror. I think it’s worth a fun night with popcorn and wine 🤷🏻♂️
Crash did the slo-mo but low frame rate thing, the last episode! You forgot it already?
Almost 3 hours. Let's go.
Take BC and A Bay Of Blood, mix 'em up a little, hey presto, the slasher.
You two need to watch some giallo for the podcast.
But seriously, they're gonna follow up on the commentary for the 2019 one, right?
It’s nuts that there are that many versions of black Christmas Jesus.
In the 1974 version, the house had two landlines.
Hey Adam and Alex (A2), would you guys have Mint Salad on? She said she'd join you all on her review "Mint Salad Saw The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad ."
I could be wrong but black Christmas is not really the first slasher one even before stuff you mentioned like suspiria is a bucket of blood
Bro I remember watching black Christmas movie in theatres and recalled most of the people sighing when the film wrapped up. Legit it was one of the most disappointed audiences I've seen next to the rise of skywalker
57:52 isn't that the case with MOST (of any) genre products though
what are some slasher film franchises that have been bad from the start and never got good?
These podcasts are ten thousand times better without Ralph’s awkward laugh after every sentence.
Oh dis gun be goooood
I wonder how the boys would react to 50/60s horror. The Haunting, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?, The Innocents, and Diabolique are all some of my favorite horror movies.
Diabolique is great. Having it described as “the best film Hitchcock didn’t make” sold me and it didn’t disappoint.
@@danskyder1564 and I also love the warning at the end to not spoil your friends. One of the best twisty movies ever made
peeping tom as well
I don’t know what I’m more dumbfounded by, the fact that 2019 Black Christmas exists or the fact that Chris Stuckmann likes 2006 Black Christmas.
the wind that shakes the barbie
The homage to The Exorcist III in Black Christmas 2019 was one of the most embarassing things I've seen in my life.
2:02:20 you can’t even give the movie That, cuss before 2020, the rise of toppling down statues of confederate soldiers was going on in 2017.
Appreciate the Shaye Saint John callback
Ralph gone? Resubscribed
I think gta 4 is on steam. Is it not good?
is ralph not on the show anymore?
Yes, for a while now, I'm still listening to old episodes to catch up and to learn the exact reason or smth
The film is set in Canada.
I’ve been saying black Christmas for the past 2 years we eat today boys (let’s go)
2:39:00 explaining why that criticism doesnt apply would be a spoiler.
GTA 4 is available to buy on steam deck for $20 bucks
I think that’s hilarious that the original Black Christmas was technically a feminist film, yet a couple years later the director, Bob Clark, went on to direct Porky’s. 😂
Ralph would have loved aquaman 2
What happened to Ralph?
Lmao'd at the dude with the whiny voice being like "Don't be an NPC" Xddd practice what you preach plz
Fish breathe oxygen through the water.
For anyone who’s seen Aquaman 2 I want you to spoil something that I’m desperate to know… do they kill the baby?
No even in the trailers they adress that black manta kidnaps the baby
@@jasonpeet6198 oh boo, they should’ve sent the DCEU out with a bang. And by bang I mean shooting Aquamans kid
@@Ghoulif damn why do you wish death on a child I get that they did it in the comics but what the hell
@@jasonpeet6198because funni and it’s not a real child
@@jasonpeet6198because it was in the comics and good.
No Pitbull's Africa. 3/10
Halloween is my favorite film of all time and watching Black Christmas actually left me disappointed because I realized how much of it is a ripoff of Black Christmas 😅
Side note: the creepy piano music reminded me so much of the apartments from Silent Hill 2
Youre more wrong about the Black Christmas remake thab you are of Death to Smoochy.
Can you guys just Insert some random ralph laughs?
Ralph's ghost will start haunting the podcast
Jason "Mimosa"
You talk about assholes that die in horror movies you should definitely check out The Gallows.
has the james wan circlejerk finally ended?
he could only coast on his name so long
12:55
Day 67 of asking for an episode on the Evil Dead trilogy
Kinda interesting seeing the decline of this channel over time. Did they ever address the Ralph absence?
In the 144 podcast episode, at the end, Ralph announced he was leaving to focus on his movies.
I would say this podcast has lost a bit charm the early podcast episodes had, but they're still passionate about there thoughts and how they express their film opinions so at least they're still trying.
@@Randomlad.0737While it is unfortunate that we lost a third voice, I do find the podcast a lot more engaging without Ralph around. Nothing against him, but I think the exchange between Alex and Adam alone is enough for me. Maybe I'm in the minority in this one, who knows.
@@geomijul Ya I can understand, he would be silent up to 5 minutes and he wasn't too good at articulating his thoughts.
Though overall I still enjoyed the different type of energy he brought to the discussions, but I do agree with how these Ralphless podcasts are less chaotic.
I gotta say I didn’t hate the Aquaman movies. Although the second one has a lot more stupid bullshit in it.
Full Metal Jacket is not an anti-war film.. Dr. Strangelove, Paths of Glory, those are anti-war films.. At least, according to Kubrick (interview with Michael Herr)
I don’t get Kubrick’s take here: How is FMJ not an anti-war film? It features the dehumanisation of citizens into soldiers, hypocritical military ideology and leaves you on a seriously unheroic bummer note!
My politics are as far left as can be. I’m working on a film myself that I consider very pro-feminism but Black Christmas 2019 is one of the worst films I ever paid money to see. I wanted to walk out of the theater the whole time. The idea of a killer frat coulda been cool but it’s nothing but terrible hit you over the head buzz-word-filled dialogue.
I actually saw a video about the Black Christmas remakes before Christmas. It was made by a trans RUclipsr and it's a pretty interesting and valuable perspective for movies with such dreadful gender politics.
When encountering those rare people who genuinely hate all men, it's kinda hard to speak up to that as a man, because you can't really make the case that it hurts your gender, just that it's bad and dumb in principle. But it genuinely hurts trans and nonbinary people because in order to act like certain genders are monoliths you kinda have to also act like people whose identity crosses the line separating them don't exist.
EDIT: Channel's name is logan-ashley.
With the whole Clockwork Orange thing, regardless of whether that film did right or wrong, i feel like Adam is heavily biased towards prioritizing aesthetics (art) over ethics when in all honestly, real world impact is generally much more important than a movie’s aesthetic quality. Does it really matter that a certain movie was good if it was, for example, made under unethical or exploitative working conditions or through unethical or exploitative practices?
I have a lot of nostalgia for it, but even objectively, i'll defend Black X-mas (2006). I just rewatched it (and the original) over the holidays and it was actually better and more personally shocking than I remember it being in my early teens. It was sexualized, but not nearly to the degree that you guys are saying. I'm pretty sure there isn't even nudity besides the sextape part. It doesn't read as a "dumb bimbo" movie, and all the girls in it, even if their characters were generic, seemed smart and reacted quickly after realizing the situation they were in. The only "sexualization" I see in it is that they hired hot girls and put some of them in scanty clothing.
Back in 2006, and on rewatch, it's also genuinely scary in parts. When they reveal Agnes hunching over the girl in the bed is terrifying. You only know about Billy and are expecting to see him but you're met with a scary lady with bugged eyes being played by a man. It's jarring initially but even after Agnes is a scary character. I also like that it's campy/kitschy in an earnest way. The cookie-cutter flesh part is funny because you can tell that they meant for it to be gruesome but it's just absurd.
Also, the plothole of them thinking Billy is dead isn't a plothole. In one of the opening scenes at the psych ward the guards mention that the official story is that he's dead but they kept him in the ward in secret... which is also a funny dumb plot point.
I don't think it's amazing but it's fun for exactly what it is. I don't get how you can say you were bored or lost in such a simple, fun, dumb movie.
Since Adum keeps unironically bringing it up, the reason movies generally don’t have child murder is the same as why they generally don’t have the murder of domesticated animals: because almost everyone, not just parents, finds the killing of something docile and innocent repulsive in a non-engaging, gratuitous way that will, more than anything, make them raise an eyebrow at the people who made it in a “why did they put that in there?” sort of way. This is because we know from studies of people like John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and the like that a lack of empathy for children and animals and an exhibitionism about it is strongly indicative of predatory mental illness which, especially now, is a vibe Hollywood is really trying to avoid. It’s exactly why we almost never see rape as a plot device in movies anymore; because people now recognize that, with rare exceptions, it’s just a surrogate for the filmmakers to exploit women. And maybe child murder in movies isn’t filmmakers projecting a want to KILL children, but your brain can probably fill in the gap of what it is. Hope this helps!😊
Good on you for having a sensible head on your shoulders. Unfortunately, there are always gonna be nutjobs out there that LOVE WATCHING kids, literally the most innocent among us, being butchered on screen. I seriously hope Adum is seeing a therapist or something
I saw awauaman2 . It’s not good but it’s not as a dumpster firey as some people say it was… 6/10. That said that last line of dialogue was shi te!
When is Adum going to criticism all the people who got Biden elected??
typical man perspective. unsurprising, but still disappointing
What happened to Ralph?
he died from sugma
swimmin with the fishes