The problem with America's college entrance exam
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2019
- In the U.S., your SAT score is hugely important. But what does it really measure?
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The SAT college extrance exam is a gatekeeper of opportunity. But this wasn't always the case.
Here are some sources I found useful when reporting out this piece:
* The Big Test is a well known book written by Nicholas Lemann, but a few years before he published this in 1999, he wrote this piece for The Atlantic: www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...
* Here's the story behind the SAT overhaul: www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/ma...
* This research paper, from Raj Chetty and colleagues, looks at the role of colleges in intergenerational mobility: www.nber.org/papers/w23618
* The SAT helps predict first-year GPA to an extent - but not for all students. We didn't include this in our video, but this piece covers the research that shows the SAT isn't predictive for a huge portion of students: www.insidehighered.com/news/2...
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SAT's measures how good you are at taking SAT's, duh
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I hated standardized testing. They have more testing days which means less days of learning. And many students (including me) were very nervous of the test so they did not do well.
@@berreyl1689 And what country are you from? Because, outside of Canada, as far as I can see most countries have a level college entrance exam.
@@EvanMoon College entrance exams are completely outside of school in the US. And from I understand in Asian countries too. And I would expect the same to hold true for most countries as going to college is a voluntary thing.
@@Teampegleg Well, here in my country, we used a standardized test as well, but they test everything that the students learned from school. Just with a higher degree of comprehension.
The guy who invented SATs sounds like the type of kid to remind the teacher about the homework
And like a racist Karen
maybe obnoxious sheldon too
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I’m surprised they didn’t mention how you have to pay to take the test. Seriously, it’s one of the most obvious ways of why and how it measures family income over actual intelligence - rich people can just take the test more.
Yep a lot of the wealthy kids who went to my school took the SAT multiple times each year in their last two years of high school. I know someone who took it a total of six times. The rest of us usually took the test one or twice in those two years. Long story short, rich kids had a ouch larger pool of scores for universities to choose from and had a much better chance to get a high score.
That's weird. In my school (NY), you simply had to apply to the lunch program and it was free afterwards.
Can you please tell me how much does it cost??
@@asmamohd9399 well that depends on where you are located, for international students it’ll cost around $100+, and if you aren’t international then it’ll be around $50+
So you can't 10 dollars
“Low scores should never be a veto on a student’s life” - that hit me hard
I mean, why not? The SAT is a system. You have to learn about it in order to get a good score. The same way that in university, there are THOUSANDS of systems and different mediums for which one has to navigate in order to make it through. Each professor having a different grading rubric for teaching even the same class. Or across different colleges within a university, just understanding how to be successful in each field and getting good scores in your general education classes. having to put on a new frame of reference and way of thinking to be able to adapt to the multiple systems that you are navigating at once.
you get a low score, it possibly shows that you are not as capable of learning a new system and being able to adapt as well. Which is why, except for the very few exceptional cases, many of low scorers who get admitted for sports or other reasons, tend to drop out. They just can't cut it.
Which is why we also have community colleges. Which are a GREAT resource for those who come from a less fortunate background. They can spend 2 years adapting in a much less cutthroat environment while still catching up to their peers.
Except it isn't a veto. How many rich rappers and athletes got high sat scores?
@@mattolmedo4690 See, the SAT would be great if college board actually provided schools ways to prepare for the exam. Anyone that takes the SAT knows that it’s not about actually being able to recall the skills one learns in class, but rather strategies to finish the exam before time is up. Normal school classes do not prepare us students how to take those types of exams. They’re practically useless when it comes to the SAT. Don’t even get me started about how the test is ableist towards those with ADHD and dyslexia.
@@KillerQueen-gx4vb you prepare for the test like any other school test. So if you learn HOW to learn in school, then taking the SAT would be no different. And your school classes should be sufficient.
I know plenty of students, even with learning disabilities, do really well on the SAT and none of them needed any special SAT prep classes.
@@mattolmedo4690 1 month late I know
You kinda proved the other person correct when you said “then taking the sat would be no different”. He said classes do not prepare us for those type of exams, which I haven’t taken the sat yet, but it seems most people agree on that so ima use that as the basis for what I will say next. How do you expect for someone to learn how to take the sat in 1 session? Idk if your able to take the sat more than once, but I know attempts are limited. if you theoretically go an entire school career not knowing how to take that type of test you may just get railed in the test, who knows. Those who do well on the sat may know that the sat is totally different from any other test, so those people prepare before hand. Of course different scenarios may apply to different people but to sum it up, people shouldn’t have to be punished for only knowing how to take test that correlate to in-school learning because that’s where the majority of our knowledge comes from. Again I haven’t taken the sat so maybe I’m not experienced enough to talk but idk if what you said is correct.
"Your SAT score measures how well you do in college"
"To a DEGREE"
*ba dum tsk*
I got a 960 on my SAT and went to college. I have a 3.81 GPA and in Biochemistry, the score doesn’t determine the person.
@@bodypillow3800 I never said anything about the score being necessarily representative of the person's academic aptitude? Unless that was a response to the statement in a video and not to the intent of my comment?
I made a joke about how they said in the video that "your SAT score measures how well you do in college to a degree" and pointed out how they added "to a degree" after bringing the subject to colleges (as, you know, you get a degree in college).
It was funny to me 8 months ago, admittedly not so much anymore.
Kelvin Tran Yeah I was agreeing with your joke
@@bodypillow3800 Oh, sorry for the misinterpretation then.
@@bodypillow3800 congratulations are you still going college ? And what type of college did you go to
I would love recommendation
The SAT made me more insecure about my ability to go to college honestly because I can’t stop comparing myself to other classmates :)
ნიკა ელისაშვილი oo i took the psat and now im extra scared for sat lol
2D Magnet rt
Ricki G No it definitely is not always good. Comparing yourself to others can cause anxiety and can distract you from actually doing good. There needs to be a equal balance of comparing.
2D Magnet that’s a you problem mate lol. You’re putting yourself down. It seems you’ve already had issues with self confidence and worth
Bruuuh- I have to take the PSAT tomorrow. Wish me luck lol
" Low score should never be a veto on a student's life"
gaokoa/ JEE : *chuckles*
Gaokao*
what do u mean? Jee isn't a veto in d student's life.
Aditya Rathod I mean GAO Kao is I’ve heard Chinese people say it’s the most important couple hours of there life
;-;
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Half the comments on this video are “lol you guys think the SAT is hard wait til you learn about (insert random country’s standardized test)”. The discussion surrounding this video shouldn’t be “mine is harder and therefore better”, it should be about how bad standardized testing is and how it really isn’t a measure of intelligence, just of taking the test.
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The thing is, it’s not enough to identify the problem, one must come up with a solution. And right now there is no feasible way for large countries with lots of applicants to dump standardized tests. Any other feasible solution I can come up with falls short... Sure they aren’t perfect, but they are the best we have.
This guy gets it.
@@joaom7554 Many colleges are starting to ignore the SAT. Major Washington colleges now view the test as optional, and the University of California ignores it completely. I think the best option would be to create a better test, since a lot of the questions are specific to the SAT and aren’t usually found in school
I would say we need to get rid of state testing if I weren't so good at it...
So you’re telling me. If this person didn’t had this weird fascination of ranging peoples intelligence into some kind of scale/meter format that I wouldn’t have to stress over SATS so much-
or we coulda gotten a better or worse system for predicting college success
a skz stan who's also stressed over exams? let's be friends? :o
No, the competition between peers would've 100% made sure a standardized exam would exist, irregardless of that dude
@@raffaellarizzo9154 Yeah here in India we have 10th standard boards and and 12th standard boards which are both national level exams and apparently measure your intelligence. Plus, after that you have to give specific college exams that measure your aptitude for the particular courses you are applying for in college and because of the huge population about a million people give the most popular ones. Yeah a million for entrance into one university.
Raffaella Rizzo OMG same GCSE A levels O levels and it’s really sad because I can’t imagine changing into another curriculum beachside ever since I started school it’s always been it’s for your future it’s going to prepare you for the igces and now this year the students who are supposed to take the igces can’t take it and they’ve preparing for it since for ever
Imagine your schooling system being so bad that you need an extra college entrance exam so that colleges believe your qualification
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This. This is it.
Never looked at it that way😳
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
Have you ever been to India?
First thing i learned after spending $800 on my ACT prep, was that the ACT measures how good you are at taking the test/a test under a time constraint. "Even people who get 35 or 36 dont actually know the answer, they just know what for sure is NOT the answer. " -My tutor
That is also a form of intelligence. Accurate guesswork still requires intelligence. So nah the ppl that get 36 are plenty smart.
i thought it was act had easier questions but shorter time to them and opposite for sat
A lot of the prep courses teach test taking skills--how to eliminate wrong answers. A lot of the math is easy (mostly HS algebra and geometry nothing more advanced) but questions are designed to trip you up such as giving you 3 and -3 as choices hoping you'd flub up somewhere. Also with verbal half those words are never used even in academic literature . I don't remember the last time I referred to something as enigmatic or unscrupulous
The reason the SAT and ACT is looked at is because it's a uniform standard and is objective. Unlike the grading system at most high schools, particularly inner-city schools strangled by powerful teachers' unions.
As someone who actually received a 36, You’re partially correct. Test taking strategy and time control only get you so far.
The SAT is still way easier than most other country's entrance exams
In indonesia we use the same thing except we messure intelligence instead of wealth
@@PaleRejent Nah the SAT wasnt intented to measure wealth, but it did. Your exams also measures wealth to a certain degree.
It’s easier yet the average score is still in the 1000s. At this point students go to school to PASS instead of to LEARN. And the funny thing is, the SAT barely tests the things you learn in school.
The problem is not the exam, it’s the inequality in pre-college education system.
Yep
Now lets talk about the College Textbook scandal... farce... theft...
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University library and have book deals for online distribution... Oh, right there is no limit on price for us university's nor any tax rebates to pay by the states.
One of my professors wrote the textbook put little blue work sheets in the textbook then said if you bring in a copy of the blue sheet it's copyright infringement and he'll fail you ......making his book worthless after one use and getting him hella book sales
Samantha Brown I would have waited for him after class and seen if he kept that same energy.
You could test into a community college, transfer to a State University, and never have to touch the SAT.
Can you explain the process or share a link? I’m curios about it.
I got my AA in computer science and was able to transfer those college credits to a university within my state so I could continue my degree and get my BA which is just an additional 2 years.
The transferring process is different as you’re not enrolling as a college freshman like you would during your senior year of hs. you’ve done your work showing you can do college classes so yeah, no SAT.
@@EdElric15652000 I did this. Never took the SAT and had horrible grades. Went to community college for a year, got a 4.0, transferred to a state school, now I'm in law school.
I think some people do poorly in high school and think their life is over. It's not!
Big brain power 🧠
@@merc_w0838 how did you do this? dont state schools need to know your sat scores and didnt your high school and community college require you to take the sat?
all these people commenting "i'm poor and i got a 1300 by studying a lot" 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ we are talking about that poor people on average are less likely to get a great score, not that it's impossible! There is a difference between inequality in general and a specific success story
i know right. In my experience though i feel really proud of getting a 1530 despite being poor
I think the real story here is unequal funding to high schools not the SAT's themselves.
@@RicardoGarcia-mm3fo r/iamverysmart
@Hi Y’all yea I totally agree with you, but these days saying that stuff (even if it’s true) will get you labeled as racist.
There is people who couldn’t afford tutoring or didn’t have parents to help them. In my situation and a lot of people near me, the parents cannot afford to drive them to school and the schools bus did not come out to their area. I think that’s generally why students get such low grades when their parents are poorer. Not saying they are lower iq or didn’t care about their future. A lot of kids can barely focus on that with a troubled homelife and money problems. Just a thought I dont think many people mentioned about the poorer side lol
A friend of mine got into an Ivy, and he told me the school was touting the fact that about 50% of the students there got some financial aid, and nearly 100% did not take out student loans.
So here he was, receiving $50k in tuition grants (!), surrounded by the other 50% whose families can easily afford $70k a year.
The school needs to make money so they have a lot more places available for private boarding schools
@@babyboo9252 The private boarding school students are often actually pretty smart too, because they grew up surrounded by the best education money can buy. So let's not disparage these kids too much.
Unfortunately, schools like Harvard rely on those million dollar donations to pay for the giant libraries and research labs and financial aid grants that help those who need it. It's a tough situation all around.
Did you know that a lot of tuition costs actually go towards subsidizing students with financial aid? So a good chunk of that 70k 50% of the students pay goes towards funding the other 50% …
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When I was in high school, I took all general courses and got a "22" on the ACT (average). I am now in medical school at the 64th percentile of my class, all of which were honor/AP students with 30+ ACT scores and straight A's in high school. National testing doesn't look at one of the most important factors in people: Determination and resilience.
Exactly. I had a 2100 SAT (when the SAT was out of 2400) which I guess is equivalent to 1400 here and my GPA was 3.67, and guess what? I’m a horrible college student. Some things simply don’t translate.
DUH! standardized tests aren't MEANT to look at personal determination and resilience. Standardized tests are simply there to measure your ability to adapt to a new set of rules and systems and be successful at it.
That's why your admissions is NOT just your grades and standardized test scores. it is also composed of your personal essay, your accomplishments with extra curricular activities. or your success in hobbies in or out of class. The standardized test is just one factor. It is important, but so is all the rest. College admissions looks at the personal as a whole.
Why should I care
Dude, literally same here. 22 on my ACT, now I’m in 3rd year of medical school. Meanwhile a lot of those 30+ ACT premeds never made it through Organic 1.
@glitchysquid1137 that's impressive, mad respect 🫡
In new Zealand whether or not you’ll get into education past high school doesn’t depend on a single test. It depends on how well you did across your final year
In Germany it’s similar! It’s about the the last two school years
marks are also considered in the us?
@@detectivemoustache2585 yea they were talking abt how in nz (and here in aus) they only take into account overall performance late in highschool, like the us - but the US has a test and NZ doesn't
@@detectivemoustache2585 Yes but in NZ and Aus there’s no one test that defines what university you get into
same with canada
Vox: *makes a video about SATs*
ACTs: *am I a joke to you*
I don't even know what that is?
@@NyJoanzy ACT is about the same except on the SAT that do require a written test the ACT is optional.
Godless Toyota in Minnesota there is no sat - only act.
@@iroh5708 here in Florida it's both I do think ACT is a way to go
Yeah I only took the ACT (I live in ohio, where you can take either).
USA: There is a problem with our exams
India: Allow me to introduce myself
I was thinking the same thing. Graduated from India way back in 1998, have been in USA for last 19 years, I tell you what we study in India most of it worthless. The whole idea in India is to pass exam and get high percentage to go to college even in college unless you don't have high percentage no campus interview. Instead of using our brains we prepare our brains to conquer the exam from start to finish.
@@raki43026 Its India, the land of ultimate uncertainty. Intelligent people lacks behind the stupids here.
A great nation heading towards its own destruction.
Scores well in the exam.sorry your caste doesn't have reserved seats we can't admit you.
@@PrinceKashyap. maybe
Vishnu Pillai wait is the caste system still really a thing there
Took a break from studying for the SATs, ended up watching this video about everything wrong with the SATs.
Hope the exams went well!
Your SAT score reflects your socioeconomic status and I know this through my college professor. It makes sense. The rich obviously have an advantage because they can hire tutors (which are very expensive) to get a student a high score.
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Most rich ppl don’t hire tutors. Background is a much greater factor. Wealthier kids have more opportunities towards middle and high schools that focus on academics, so in general they have more time to study. It really is unfortunate that people in a lower income bracket miss out on these opportunities, but tutoring is a small factor in the socioeconomic divide in the SAT.
Not only hiring tutors, but being born into affluence guarantees access to high-quality education, whether that's a highly-ranked public district or a private school that costs thousands a year in tuition - that all has to do with being prepared to take the SAT vs. not. If you attend a poorly-funded innercity school where the highest level of math available is Algebra I, then you are not equipped to answer about half the mathematical content on the SAT, not to mention not having access to tutors means you don't have access to test-taking strategies, inner-workings of the SAT, etc. Wealthy students do not have to work hours after school in order to provide for their family; wealthy students have access to WiFi and online resources on their laptops at all times; the wealthiest are able to cheat the college admissions as a whole and it is infinitely more common than one would think. It is incredibly disheartening that the education and college admissions system have this poverty-to-poverty pipeline, while the rich only continue to accumulate power and success.
Laughs in third world country, where even "rich" people are poor by US standards and can't afford prep but still score 1500+
This is only a small factor. If you look at the chart the provided the rich on average score 1150 or so. So if they all have tutors why don't they have 1600s?
Low income student: “I want to go to Harvard or Yale for college.”
SAT score: “Nah, son.”
Where are you getting with this? As long as you study for it, you'll still score high, no matter what your background. The thing about impoverished backgrounds is that the student may not be as interested in making the effort (a plethora of different reasons are possible: school doesn't interest them, etc.). If you come from an impoverished background, you may feel stifled financially, and never develop the interest for studying. Instead, you'd be consumed by whatever distractions help you avoid thinking about your situation. That is the case with many kids from impoverished backgrounds. Coming from an unhappy place has its effects. The only reason I didn't turn out like that was because my parents kept me disciplined about my studies. You can max the score on SATs no matter which background you're from, because our brains are the same. The problem is some people just do not study enough for it, whatever reasons there may be. Why would you change the exam itself for it? Wouldn't the problem persist even if you change the test itself? Wouldn't that show up in the student's GPA regardless? How would sending a student who's doing relatively poorly academically to the top colleges even help? There is no real difference between getting an education from a top college, and any other college for that matter, at least not a lot. The facts you learn about your field are exactly the same. The only thing top colleges offer you are the environment you study in (academically smart peers), and prestige; that's it. Unless you're saying that sending a student who's doing academically poor to a top college would somehow motivate them to do better. I don't know about that, sounds like a giant waste of money to me, just to motivate someone. So, why is this video here? It makes no sense. They're sidestepping the real problem.
Unfortunately, a high SAT score only keeps students’ applications from being trashed and does nothing else for them nowadays.
TooCheapToBuyColognes that’s just wrong. Kids who are from low income backgrounds don’t have the resources to have SAT prep and go to high schools that may not have the counselors to help them. Kids who come from well affluent backgrounds will go to prestigious private schools and will have the test prep to help them study for the SAT. My point: If you’re from a rich background, you’re more likely to have the resources for college entrance exams and if you’re from a low income background, then you may not have the resources.
@@LemonadepieX kahn academy is free and there are other free sat websites and dont say they dont have internet cuz there are libraries everywhere
There’s a lot of free tutoring available to low income students, it’s just that many people aren’t aware of it. Also low-income students are less likely to be aware of things like the fact that now days you have to study for the SAT for several years to get a high percentile score and that you should take the test multiple times so that you can get a good super score.
I didn't pay a penny for SAT prep. Just borrowed prep books from my local library, did practice every weekend. Ended up getting something above 1500. Don't let income hold you back.
cvasqueso Yep! What I’ve been telling everyone these days. I did 1400+ questions on Khan Academy and spent $40 on two books, as well as some other free online resources. Got a very good score too. No one needs to shell out hundreds of dollars for test prep, much less thousands.
cvasqueso good job dude. It is a struggle
Congrats!
Same I never paid anything for test preps and got 1460 and 35 on ACT.
that's not the point. income and your childhood environment affects your way of thinking and your ability to self teach. that ability strongly correlates to high income brackets
As a student the SAT makes me so nervous, that’s why I try so hard to get good grades because I’m not a very good test taker
Same
the test isn’t even hard. it takes dedication and drive to study and do well. both of which most people don’t have leading to them crying in comments about how the test is unfair. sat isn’t going to be abolished soon, so if you want to get into a good college, study for the test.
@@cedricslavin7344 yeah I was planning on taking it no matter what, even if the college I want to go to doesn’t “require” it
@@cedricslavin7344 It is too hard, I have almost a 4.0 GPA, and my scores on the practice tests were 1120 and 1040, which are both just average. Think before you comment next time.
@@thegrammarpolice6953 As much as testing is subjective, the SAT mainly contains math and English material that is went over in school. It is not “hard” when compared to other high school entrance exams.
2:36 The answer is round, rump and sirloin as those are cuts of beef.
what about chops like pork chops? it could be meat rather than specifically beef
@@pluto-qd2qu because if it is something else (and it isn't) it would be beef because it's already the answer.
Yeah I thought that was obvious too, but chops did throw me off.
So a dude who spends all of his nights at a steak house is smarter than a guy who spends all of his nights studying a foreign language 😂
I thought it was chops, liver, and sirloin
And let’s talk out the Monoply of College Board and how AP exams are worthless.
Matthew Sanders exactly
Ap classes aren’t worthless though. But instead of credit being based on the exam, the grading standards of the class should be more uniform and the exam will be 50% and the grade in the class be 50% of what credit you get. I’m gaming the system a bit, I want to be a Stem major but I’m taking a lot of english and social studies APs so I can skip most general education requirements and take 1 less class a semester.
@@blah7983 Honestly I would say they're useless in comparison to dual enrollment. I took around 11 AP/Cambridge classes in highschool school. I was a terrible test taker but I made it up in with a good work ethic so I graduated with a 4.8 but I only passed 1 AP exam (also a 940 on the SAT). In a case like mine It would have been better if I dual enrolled, JUST passed all of those classes for college credit. I would have graduated high school along with my AA instead of gambling my chances on 1 test to determine how well I learned. Also even if you pass your AP exam there is no guarantee your college will take them so becareful please! This is only my case, I'm sure you'll do great just do some research on which schools will take those scores!
@@blah7983 Ur doing it wrong. Dual enroll. I agree with
CrayolaTechnicalServicesYo. Dual enrolling seems like the best option that I was never told about, I found out about it when I was in college which is obviously 2 late.
INeverChangeMyPlayerIcon. I’m gonna take calc III dual enroll, but that’s about it. My school is very strict about not taking classes elsewhere if the equivalent is offered in school. You wanna take a statistics course at ____ tech? Too bad we have AP stats you aren’t allowed. You wanna take a course over the sunmer at a nearby school that counts for credit at every other school in the county? Too bad, we don’t care you paid $400 to take it. You can’t even use the online school system that is offered to most other public schools in our state unless you failed the class first. Also I can’t afford a car. The only reason I can take calc III is that there’s 50 other kids doing it (we have 800 kids and no one wants to stats so a lot of kids take calc iii) so I can carpool. And most kids in my area can’t afford to take cc classes outside of dual enrollment so it doesn’t happen. Until my school changes, I’ll be taking AP classes
They rush you, and your unprepared and expect you to do well. School is a joke, it should be more about preparing and less about tests.
preparing for what then?
@@Ryan-ee5lp For your job bud.
Today'sTopic Ok but then how do you know whether a person is suitable for a job?
Ryan The real world
Mr.UnderStand what in the real world? what actions gets them the job?
I love how I try explaining to my mom that getting into a top university isn't as easy as taking a test and getting a high score, and she didn't understand.
The problem is not with SAT, the society is getting more and more competitive in every way. If SAT is removed, some other XAT will play the role for selection.
Yah. I think the SAT needs to be changed so that scores adjust to a student’s household income level. That way a score of 1050 from a low income student and a score of 1050 from a high income student would reflect roughly the same amount of work-ethic/learning.
@@austinmoon you bring up an interesting point. While this would certainly make it more just, the reality is ending a student with a low SAT to a top college is not going to go well for them
Impoverished Students: Exist
SAT Score: *I'm about to end their career before it even began.*
that isn't true though. impoverished students get massive hooks for their SAT.
Jonathan F White students who had a $20,000 annual household income scored higher on the SAT than black students that had a $160,000 annual income.
@@greastestever5549 also that's a largely oversimplified statistic that excludes so many other factors to be even considered credible
silvari No that is just a damming statistic.The same is also true for Asians at lower economic quintiles, they score slightly higher than whites at higher ones. When will it dawn on you guys that different racial groups and ethnicities have different average levels of intelligence as a result of experiencing significantly altered environmental pressures in their evolution?
@@greastestever5549 Asian culture values educational achievements more than American culture. When will it dawn on you that different racial groups and ethnicities have different average levels of preparedness on the SAT as a result of varying cultural pressures in their life?
I grew up poor in a third world country with learning disability (IQ of 85), the first time I took the SAT, no practice, I got a 850, well below average as expected. I didn't have the resources to hire a tutor but I used free online and youtube videos and studied for 4 months straight, and I ended up with a score of 1550. Because of this I'm now able to go to Columbia on a full-ride, simply because of this number, where 4 months ago by this measure I wasn't qualified for any college, let alone an Ivy Leauge one.
This test, it has given me a great oppurtunity I can't deny. But what really changed of me in 4 months? Nothing too extraordinary like the opportuinity it has given me. This test isn't a measure of intellegence nor is it a measure of wealth either. It's a measure of one simple thing: how well you do on an SAT test.
Hi could you please tell me what videos you watched? Like the RUclips channels or websites. It would really help me out. Thank you.
Hope Colombia isn’t too hard.
I think we can say the same thing for every other test.
You take the same amount of effort and you can pass most classes.
Simply to play devil's advocate, the test does in some form measure the grit and determination needed to understand how the test is formatted and structured. IF you're not one of the very few people who are naturally good at test taking and have received a good score, the test essentially encourages you to go back, learn, practice, and master the exam with the structure and question it asks. The motivation and strive to study for this test is the same kind of motivation you will need in college with college finals and what not.
Everyone who’s trying to prove that you just need to know the test to pass it are missing the point. It’s as simple as that: you go to “good” school in “good” neighborhood - without a practice you get average score higher by 200-400 points that those who went to underfunded schools in “bad” neighborhoods. SAT is not hard but American school system makes it hard for those who already have it tough in life.
I’ve been in greatly underfunded schools. They don’t teach you anything. They just tell you’re a waste of air and give you Fs if you tell them to turn the music down
thatoneartist I wouldn’t put it on the teachers (tho it’s a lot on them) but the quality and availability of courses is not as wide as in fairly founded schools. It’s discouraging for students and the staff.
As someone who’s taken college exams in multiple countries I have to say that I liked SATs the most, majority of college exams test how much you remember from school but the SAT is more about how you understand and process things. I wish more countries used the SATs. Income inequality exist worldwide and you can’t just blame SATs on it. Wealthy students do better because they lead less stressful lives and have access to more resources and that’s where I think we should focus our attention. At the end of the day, colleges need a test to judge students or education cost would sky rocket if they were to interview and review each person individually from different angles.
not only, usually if your parents are wealthier its because they are more educated, therefore they are moer able to help their kid doing their homework and explaining thing to their kids if they didnt understood well enough
Yeah i think the same.....the sat test is reasonably easy and doesn't even measure how you remember a praticular math formula or "the" rule of grammar.......it uses very basic mathematical concept and even in English it focuses on if you have really understood and used the context of your vocabulary and reasoning for analysis...... The problem is NOT the test.....the problem is 1) the cost of test......although the college board is very good at making these tests, they are quite greedy for money.......i think that's all .......i dont understand how one can have resource advantage......all it requires is for you to look at the tons of practise tests available online and know vocabulary, reasoning and maths skills......the tutor can help in being as an authority to look after the students performance but they cant magically change their grades.......NOTHING can ever be utopia.......like in most of our neighborhood asian countries.....its usually the rich indulged in affluence and the poor ones actually studying well and getting scholarship.....the difference just fascinates me
@@ltgdr6298 The issue of income isn’t about a person’s education growing up but really about preparing for the test. People who cannot afford to take a study class or study book just show up and hope for the best. SAT study classes need to be gone to make it more fair. I still don’t think it would be completely fair though
@@jackiefowler764 you dont need any of this to have a good score at the SAT. The SAT ridiculously easy and you have have all the ressources you need to get a very good score, freely. Btw yes its directly linked to how people prepare themselve for the test, but as you said "how people prepare themselves", well when some people preparation consist of spending 6hours/days on tiktok, dont wonder why they get terrible score.
It’s kind of sad to hear that your college determines so much (your income therefore presumably your happiness, lifestyle, and livelihood) and that so much can be determined by a test I take for 3 hours on a Saturday...
I wouldn't give college that much credit. It's more of a tool you have to use for your advantage, but that doesn't mean you need it in the first place to be considered successful. It just makes things easier.
Your major determines your income much more than what college you go to (unless you pick a job that tends to prefer people with name brand schools) and your SAT score doesn’t have too much to do with what school you get your degree from when you take first year transfers into account which focus a lot more on first year grades and such.
Vox is just playing a game of averages and nothing more. If you truly desire something then go after it.
Sahej yes don’t let the SAT determine your future, it’s honestly didn’t matter to me anymore since I took it 9 years ago. It’s all about what major you want and focus on getting through your prerequisites and just find the way to get your major.
Haha do you see the student loan crisis? Honestly unless you go to an Ivy, college doesn’t guarantee anything besides debt.
So happy we don't have this test in Canada. A lot smart people don't test well.
This is the truth.
I second that.
Even while in college I don't test well
Really?! You don't have it in Canada? Then what tests do you take?
So canada uni only uses high school GPA to select their new student?
Me after watching this,
Y'all ever been to India?
Haha
India has an education system?
@@sosopwsi829Jjw9 nice joke hasna tha kya( should I laugh) hmmm
I got a mediocre sat score and no adult at school believed i could be leader in fact they talked down to me and said resources would be wasted on me when I applied to programs at my high school.
Now I outearn and especially outrank the kids they did believe in and who got higher SAT scores by buying expensive training. I also have tons of innovative patents and competitions under my belt while most of those kids are stuck in life insurance sales jobs.
SATs demoralize and are in no way accurate. Don't let them define who you are.
Nah, you just got lucky. Everything you say is disproved by statistics
@@kyh6767 uhm no.
Proud of you!
Money isn't everything in life. And everybody is unique in his own way. Everybody has his abilities. Intelligence is only one of many. Treat everybody with love and be happy with what you have. Destroy your weaknesses and work on your strengths. Then you will have a fulfilled life
@@HeiligeSalbung Nowadays, money is becoming everything. Things are getting more expensive.
Allow me to introduce the entrance exam for the University of Tokyo
It is perfectly designed to be unsuitable for human beings.
SNU: right there behind ya!
@@snflwrchan8019 SNU must be a pain to get into, especially considering how much effort the average Korean puts into their education
@Crestfire Singapore's equivalent is called the 'A' Levels (similar to the one used in the UK), where 'A' stands for 'Advanced' 😉
@Crestfire Dude In Bangladesh you can get a score of below 0 in public uni entrance exam, we have negative markings.
Wrong answer , minus .25
bros haven't even heard about IGCSE or WAEC
SAT: **exists**
chinese and korean entrance exams: *"please allow me to introduce myself"*
In Korea, a lot of students have tutors after school and return home at midnight. So, we basically go to school twice in Korea.
Don't forget the Indian and Srilankan Exams I practically live in tuitions rather than school.
@@alessandreacaladharan9399 ya especially in india where the population is 1.3billion I feel sad for Indians and Chinese students who have the most competitive exams
I'm from india and I believe that our system emphasis more on analytical skills and reservation and not on the grasping power of student .
@@adityasharma-ox6re true I have a friend who got 94% and he did not get any seats in any delhi university and another person from sc/st got it
Being a former JEE aspirant and having read about the gaokao exams, the SAT is honestly a joke.
Yet mericans find it difficult 😂😂😂
sat is only a small part of entrance requirements. JEE and gaukao is literally the only requirment
@@James-cb7nb of course, I was talking about the difficulty of the examination itself.
@@ashthepokemonmaster2375 sure but they aren't equivalent. I know what the subtext is.
I had a brain injury that left me with chronic migraines and sensory issues. I can’t sit through work or especially tests more than 45 minutes, and the college board wouldn’t give me accommodations to take the test in sections. When I took a practice with the accommodations I needed I got a 1500, but because I couldn’t have them on the real test my score dropped to a 1300. It’s really hard when you know you’re capable of something but you’re made to take a one size fits all exam that ends up fitting no one and costing a lot of really smart people good opportunities because the environment or testing method ends up harming them instead
I scored a 2080 (about 1450 in the current SAT scoring).
The first time I took the test, I got a 1300 out of 2400
then I paid a grand for a review course and voila, I was able to learn the test in and out to get 2080, or around the 98th percentile
The SAT measures nothing except how familiar you are with the test
The old SAT maybe. Most people I know, me included, didn't raise their score that much after studying intensely. I think the test does a pretty good job at what its supposed to do.
Noah Endreny it really depends on how long you study for
What textbooks and courses did you use?
Mirai nah not true. I took the new SAT once without studying and got a 1510/1600
@@jamesjin5765 Oh yeah, well I took the new SAT once while being asleep and never attending school and I got an 1800.
However, I also know that your personal anecdote doesn't buck the trend. Nice humblebrag though
If you get rid of the SAT another standardized test will just take its place.
yep. Colleges, especially the elite ones, need a way to find out these things..
ACT
Hi Im from Finland. We do have a standardized test in the last year of high school, but our system is more complex than taking one universal test. We must take at least four subjects to graduate from and we get grades from it (in descending order: L, E, M, C, B A, I). Then depending on what degree we apply for we get either an entrance exam, a system where you get points for your individual high school grades, or a combination of two (or there could also be an interview). It really depends on the degree.
For example I graduated from advanced math, finnish, english, swedish and psychology, and I got the grades E, E, E, E and C respectfully. I applied for computer science, where they only take three subjects into consideration: finnish, advanced math and one extra. With the three best grades (E, E and E) I got enough points to get to the minimum required 59 points and got in without an entrance exam. My friend, however, got only E, E and M and so she needed to take the entrance exam and with the combination of it and her grades she got in. In the same university, the doctor's degree requires an entrance exam and your graduation grades. But for every degree there's always the chance to just study hard and take the entrance exam in case your graduation was a long time ago or you failed those.
My point is, the degrees should not accommodate to one useless standardized test, but rather the other way. Different fields and degrees require different knowledge and making the process a bit more inclusive and complex could really help. The american system is really shocking to me and makes me feel really lucky to live in Finland
@@aquaneon8012 , yep.
How about we get rid of the schools themselves, we got "RUclips" to learn everything we want. Nothing trumps personal development!
My sister got a 1500 on the SAT.
She had straight As through middle school and high school.
You're probably wondering, "What college did she end up in? Probably a prestigious one."
Wrong. She didn't end up in any good colleges. Instead, she ended up in a community college.
"But how? There's no way."
My family lives in an average neighborhood, go to public schools. And we're minorities.
That's probably why.
Oof that got to be a slap in the face right there
that makes no sense, she should have had a higher chance of getting into an ivy if you are a minority
@@SS-dr6vd no, because the few minorities that do live in the upper-class and had more help are more likely to get in. Colleges these days also look at extracurricular activities you did. All of my rich or well-off classes had parents who provided money for them to focus on a skill since they were like 3 in order to get a good portfolio. These things start from a young age to the upper-class. You could be the smartest kid but if you had nothing for yourself going out of school, they'll label as you as not having any interests and you won't get in. Meanwhile poorer kids obviously can't afford those kinds of extra stuff like piano lessons or summer camps that cost a ton of money to go to. Sometimes I hate my classmates for not even realizing how privileged they are.
@@uaenaonce8231 But don't college know and openly acknowledge this fact. I think they realize that economically worse off students don't have the same opportunities to pursue extra-curricular compared to their richer counterparts. I thought they take this into consideration and make their decisions based off of this. I think they must have some kind of system or a weightage system which is something like: the less rich you are, the more value each of your extra-curricular holds since they know you made the most out of your limited opportunities and resources.
@@SS-dr6vd "The median family income of a student from Princeton is $186,100." "The median family income of a student from Harvard is $168,800, and 67% come from the top 20 percent." I don't know about other colleges but if we're only talking about top colleges or igy leagues they definitely don't seem to take that into account otherwise I would find it hard to believe that pny rich people are good enough for the colleges. Even UCLA does the same thing despite not being ivy-leauge "university of California, Los Angeles. The median family income of a student from U.C.L.A. is $104,900, and 48% come from the top 20 percent." rich people are obsessed with the ivy leagues, I'm telling you. Poorer kids can't compete.
One upside is that schools are slowly getting away from using only test scores. They are starting to look at people as a whole. It’s still a long way from where it should be, but it is getting better.
But still, people from affluent families have the advantage of affording to pay for extracurricular opportunities, while the poorer don't.
How in the world is this a good thing???
Only 27% of students apply to six or more schools. I applied to 19 😬
Edit: I have decided to attend Boston College this fall!
Gracie Gutierrez i applied to 1 haha
How many did you get in ?
That is so indubitably epic 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hahah same I was like oops
Saaame
If you want to show that Harvard/Yale only take the top 1%. Don't show the top 7 cards out of 50 being picket. Because that is 14%...
Exactly. These people didn't go to a good high school.
The cards represent scores ... and only 1 percent of test takers get those scores...
Mikhaila but it’s not 1% bc theres 7
I got a feeling while watching this video that someone's gonna point this out. 😂
Josh Rice bet he failed his SAT exam
Me watching this after sobbing for hours because I went to an under resourced high school and now only got into community college despite my hardest efforts. I feel so depressed.
Just work hard in community college so that you can transfer on to a good 4 year university. Once you get a bachelor’s degree it will still say the name of wherever you graduated from and you’ll have said a lot of money in the process. My sister started off at community college but now she works in her field.
Don’t feel bad. In the end, you’re saving money.
You should feel bad. Getting into a community college is a big failure and you will have a terrible future ahead for you. Even if you work hard in community college, you still will not be able to compete with those graduating from better colleges and will end up with a worse job.
@@roydaboii9925 Wow. You are a bad person.
it’s okay! you can save so much money at a community college and get all your core classes done there so you can transfer into a good program at a 4 year university. i promise everything will work out for you:) i’m wishing you luck
this is why i’m planning to not go to college. i do not need all of this stress in my life. still haven’t told my parents though 💀
bro what are you on about the SAT is so easy 💀💀💀, coming from an English person, please come over here and try our education system
@@sabaaras did I ask?
You can either work hard when you are a student and be happy for the rest of your life
Or
You can choose to be happy when you are a student and work hard for the rest of you life
@@sabaaras the problem here is that because the SAt itself is easy, you need like 15 aps to get into an ivy leauge which are each on the level oxford and cambridge and most state colleges r better than the average u.k college
With the supposed "hard test" being easy, competetion to prove how good you are in comparison creates a harder environment than the U.K ever can. This is why its not accurate to say U.K is harder just on base curriculum.
@@sanp2032 So, you're trying to say the environment in these prestigious US colleges is competitive to a toxic degree, right? And thus it's even harder? Makes sense.
Thank god I live in Argentina, where college is free. The funniest thing is than even though we have private collages too, public ones are waaaaayyy better.
Colleges*
Free college ?? That’s a dream man
@@timmythicc2296 DID SOMEBODY SAY FREE COLLEGE
@ნიკა ელისაშვილი they are but they are so worthy than most people don't even care
@ნიკა ელისაშვილი not really that much. There are about 50 people in my largest class but the classrooms are big and everyone is doing their work so you don't really notice there are that many people. Also teachers let you have a break when they feel like it, so every class is never out at the same time. At least that's how it is where I go to
Quick reminder that a perfect sat score does not automatically get you into a top 20 school
True, but a "small donation" to the school is a great way to get your foot in the door
but it helps a whole heck of a lot
Lol true but if you can get a 1600 chances are your gpa is pretty good too...
@@digitalkarma4691 still not good enough alone
I agree, half the time academics aren’t nearly enough. You need some sort of “personal story” or hardship, it doesn’t even matter if you do fifty extracurricular and excel in them all. Oh, and being a minority or a woman doesn’t hurt either (especially if you’re going into engineering).
I love watching these documentaries, really opens my view on the world and makes me stress out allot less about things
The Philippines had a standardized Law School entrance exam which was short lived until the Supreme Court unconstitutional for it being violative of institutional academic freedom.
3:10 "Then, WW2 ended.
*shows footage of WW1 soldiers coming home*
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story
omonil f And it's incorrect.
How do you know?
Blue Fingers The soldiers are wearing peaked caps and Brodie helmets, which are part of WW1 AEF uniforms. The broadcaster also mentions Chateau-Thierry and Belleau Wood, two major battles for the AEF. I don't mean to be a pedant, but showing WW1 footage while talking about WW2 makes the section more puzzling than it should be.
Brick Break you know your stuff!!
I was 50 points away from a program at my college that was perfect for my future goals and career. Despite my high GPA, challenging class choices, tons of productive extracurriculars....it didn't matter. My SAT was too low.
If you want to you could go to Europe, college is free there and good
Sophia June if they want a certain score to consider ur application u have to meet it. U can take the sat multiple times you know
Axei mash college in Europe is way worse than college in the US unless you are going to oxford or Cambridge
Axei mash high schools in America are inferior to European high schools but America definitely has better colleges and way more options. The incentives I can think of for Europeans colleges is that it’s inexpensive but as a transfer student from Hong Kong, I would 100% choose American colleges over European ones.
@@isseikranos1703 Bruh, colleges in Norway are great.
Also keep in mind that the number of college applicants didn't increase because of a more ubiquitous desire for academic achievement, but rather, a greater prevalence of jobs necessitating a degree. College went from being an achievement to being a minimum standard.
I got my college degree when I was still a junior in high school
It's interesting to watch how incorrect this was now that universities have gone test optional.
The SAT doesn’t measure intelligence, just test-taking ability
It measures intelligence+discipline.
+Henry Auvil The SAT does not measure the intelligence, only the test-taking ability to solve it AND the tests that do not measure your really skills decide which university you enter
No, it measures intelligence *and* test-taking ability. Someone of low intelligence won't get a high score. Same with someone of high intelligence who has some other trouble.
If your not good at taking tests, then why even try?
That's why there's an IQ test
It measures your viability of getting into a university and as well as how well you can cough out money to universities ^_^
Yeah honestly it sounds like an even more perfect testing system for universities, albeit for the wrong reasons.
Glad we don't have it in Europe
Conor How are these universities ranked exactly. Universities vary on how good they are from subject to subject. Also there are still many European universities in the top 100 rankings as well
Owen Bollard I’m guessing from how well the students from each faculty succeeds, as well as the facilities and things provided on campus and stuff. Maybe prominent alumni also boost university rankings?
Draggy654 true, and people are saddled with high interest debt afterwards. But there isn’t really a great alternative so....
This video ignores the fact that the SAT was first adopted in the Ivy's in the 1960s in order to replace the legacy student with the intelligent student. So, its first impact was explosively destructive for the perpetuation of class hierarchy. Mentioning this would give a more balanced picture of its history.
It goes against their agenda unfortunately they won't mention it thus
Define “intelligent.”
@@pressftopayrespects6325 Good Point - the student who does well on standardized tests, would be more specific. There are so many kinds of intelligence, and these tests (like universities in general) have only ever captured a few of those. Thank You.
I generally recommend (as a professor and advisor) taking whatever you need to get into a community college (if there's not a cheap state university near you), then transfer after you've done two years and completed core graduation requirements. Then you can often transfer to a higher-status university, as your GPA serves as proof that you can handle college material.
they should use the sat to grade the school on how well they taught their students to read, write, and think logically through math.
Julia SN schools would cheat because even now the government gives more if there’s overall better performance to that school
Some schools have smarter students than others giving schools uneven playing fields.
Guess how stressed students will be by their teachers, it’s bad enough with standardized testing
ontario canada does something like with the EQAO
students would have no incentive to actually try on the SAT, and even if you gave it a dual role where it both counted for college and reflected on the schools ability to teach, you'd be back to square one of just seeing how much money a school has
When you’re from the upper Midwest and didn’t have to take the SAT because colleges in the region only care about ACT scores.
The ACT I like a lot than SAT
When you live in the Northeast so you can choose to take both
@@ethanferns5495 same in Florida you can take both
I’m in Ohio and I only took the ACT, cause everyone who was a junior took it for free at my school lol I could’ve taken the SAT, I mean I took the PSAT my sophomore year, but nah, waste of money tbh
Wisconsin here. I only know one person at my school who took the SAT, because his parents who are from New Jersey took it, so they wanted him to take it for comparison purposes. After I graduated, it became the high school exit exam that is taken in junior year.
5:47 it couldn't be that rich people are smarter than average, right?!
exactly.
Nope, what a ludcrious assumption to make.
Growing up I had a discouraging school experience, poor parents, and few opportunities. I didn't believe I was worth investing in, so I never studied hard for anything, not even the SAT. But I walked out with a really high score, and that was proof I was worth more than anyone had ever given me credit for. And it was my ticket to a better life. What will happen to kids like me if they take away that chance for us to prove ourselves?
"Here's 50 cards that represent SAT scores." Okay. "The top 1% over here *shows 7 cards*" Okay hold up.
I guess he didnt get good on his SAT
The cards show a range of scores. Only 1% of students score in that range. That is why 7 cards were shown.
It’s called a bell curve, the top 1% covers a wider range because fewer testers get the same scores
If you payed attention you would know that those 7 cards represent the hardest scores and of all 50 cards only 1% got the scores of the top 7 cards
It's... A bell curve.. the horizontal scale is the score, not the number of people
Standardized testing in America really isn’t the best, but it’s a lot better than some other countries. Places like India, Hong Kong, China, etc literally decides your life based on your results.
Americans should be more thankful, just because you don’t get a higher score, doesn’t mean you still can’t go to a decent college. You don’t need to be in an Ivy League to be able to strive towards success.
There is thing called jee and neet in india...I swear every one of my classmates would pick the SATs over these any day
In Japan if you do bad on one test you can’t go to college for a year lol
Americans are just bad at school and blame it on the test.
Skaya Lê They aren’t necessarily bad, they’re just raised with the wrong mindset towards the value of education. Most just breeze through their education and some don’t even care at all. Other countries value it more, and in turn take their education more seriously.
On the flip side of the coin though, a perfect score and perfect grades don’t guarantee you acceptance into any selective school. Here, it comes down to luck, extra curriculars, and a lot about where you come from and what kind of family you have. There’s absolutely zero sense of security if you’re aiming high for colleges (unless you’re very wealthy), and that can make it much harder to go where you want to in certain cases
1:04 i am a huge procastinator and this 5 second animation made my emotions go up and down like a rollercoaster!!
One thing that was completely missed was that you can always transfer from a community college of small university to a larger one as long as you get good grades. Large Universities love people that do that, you can even transfer credits and save money! Me and all my friends basically did this and it completely bypasses this structure.
I literally have the SAT this Saturday and this was in my recommendations. I’m really really STRESSED
Kiara Rodriguez what was your score
It been 4 month how did it go?
Sodoo Munkh were u able to take the SAT? They cancelled March, April and May exams cuz of COVID therefore I wasnt able to take any SAT yet... Some unis (like cornell) does not require SAT anymore tho
Good luck
Snowf
Standardized tests in general do a horrible job at testing intelligence. My friend and I didn’t do so well on the SAT but we’ve both been maintaining 4.0s for almost all of our college semesters.
Julia Danielle neither does gpa so
@@natimber3040 I get your point too since grades in some classes don't mean anything depending on how the class is run. A GPA in college can also indicate how well one is able to time manage, especially if you work and go to school full time. Also, there are different types of intelligence that a GPA can't always measure.
I'm terrible at taking tests and at studying for tests, but I have been doing computer programming on my own for seven years, and I have a job for it. I'm 17. Don't believe me? Too bad, I won't demonstrate anything here, because of my safety. You'll just have to believe me.
As a SAT/ACT private one on one tutor, the college board is trying to take back the progress made by ACT in the last decade to make it more like the ACT!
Never knew I was above average. I come from a low-middle class family. Tho this is quite sad that the SATs actually show a bad side of America.
The SAT measures who my mom was on Full House.
😂
It’s strange to watch they consider trigonometry as a high level of math. Here in Mexico differential and integral calculus are needed to get into college.
I guess it depends on what they like. Most maths oriented students I know in the states did calc ii or calc BC, which go way beyond basic differential and integral calculus.
Yeah. I’m going to do algebra 2/trig in 9th grade. It just depends on whether you want to go farther than algebra 2
In uk it is the same
average and people that want to get into college are 2 different things
The U.S. culturally struggles with mathematics.
I didn't really learn how to apply math till college. The way they teach it in highschool is counterproductive. This includes before and after commoncore.
My highschool taught calculus but only certain students advanced to that level. However, I took business calculus in university.
Meanwhile JEE aspirants: Hold my rank 😂
🤣
Hi, im from a low income family. All of my friends are also from low income families. But we all scored above average SAT scores. The secret? Don’t ever give up and always believe in yourself. If you really want to do better than average all it takes is staying motivated and persevering. There are a bunch of free resources out there these days and an SAT prep book costs maybe $20-$30. The only way to get better is to practice. And as someone who has broke those barriers and managed to get into a top state school im here to say it is possible and i believe in you. You got this!
9 dollar
2:30
"yeah, i dont know either"
wasnt the answer obviously chops, liver, sirloin?
Thank you! My thoughts exactly
What’s a sirloin
mohammed sarker like sirloin steak (chops, liver, and sirloin are all parts of animals that people eat)
Nah, they're all things parts of an animal that people eat, but round, rump and sirloin are all steaks, so they're the three that are most related.
Aidan Patterson Oh lol my bad (I still think my answer makes some sense but ofc standardized testing would make a question super niche)
Went to community college - never took the SAT. Graduating this year from university with a high GPA. Cheat the system! Lol
Proud of you!
hacker
@@d00d3 is there a reason why?? Aside from the decreased chances of being in debt?
@@jgsource552 it gives larger state or ivy league colleges a better reason to accept you plus the first year of college anywhere you will be learning most of the same basic concepts and classes. The ivy league or state college that didn’t accept you before might if you prove yourself in a community college too. There’s downsides to it aswell like not being in a college with much funding or having to transfer everything after community college to wherever you decide to go. It really is dependent on the scenario I suppose lol
But people got into better universities with SAT so you are in your own little bubble and your lack of comprehension of the paradigm has likely altered the course of your life in the direction that encompasses less opportunities than you could have achieved with pragmatic judgement.
Who’s here after the UC system gets rid of the SAT requirement
As you say in the end, I think the problem is just that too many schools use it too much. But it’s also a supply and demand issue. With more applicants, with many having very similar GPA, athletics, extracurriculars, volunteering, usually the only thing separating applicants is some sort of test score, whether that be Honors or AP tests, or the SAT.
Ever been to Korea? They have a test like SAT but 100x more intense
Asian tests in general are though, they have calculus before university, and coordination chemistry, and they need to know the periodic table
try searching jee exam papers of india.. we r with u bro
lol to us that is pretty basic math. SAT's math section is doable by a primary school graduate in my country. My university entrance math exam had complex numbers and basic differential equations. SAT however gives a lot of weightage to English sections which does trips up people without a solid foundation in English.
I’m a korean. My cousin did more than 10+ hours of testing for college.. since everyone in Korea wants to go to top colleges.. aka ones like Yonsei.. cuz all ceos went there..so yeah it’s extremely hard and stressful
Lots of americans do calculus in hs. Heard of AP calc ab and bc? Can also do normal calc
At the end of the day college/university is a business
Everything is a business
@@SA-vw1ht welcome to capitalism
imo, more like a well-funded, properly-backed, and intricate scam at this point. what is the purpose of college as a business? if it's to provide people with the road to education/jobs, it's certainly not doing a good job at it. i didn't know i had to pay all this money to stay at a 400+ acre hotel resort to get an education from professor i-dont-give-a-fuck-about-you.
isn't what the weird sugar daddy running for presidency (bern.sand.) wants to do? pay for college fees (or something or other)?
im in the tea country, so im not greatly informed
The statistics very strongly suggest otherwise, but you do you
When I was in high school I got a 2260 on the SAT (this was back when it was on a 2400 scale, so basically like a 1500 on the 1600 scale).
I am pretty good at tests (as in strategies to making good guesses, etc) and I also got a lot of preparation that my parents paid for. I don't think the test accomplished its intended purpose on me, considering I didn't have a high GPA in high school or in college, even though I had an SAT score in the 99th percentile.
In my case, my low GPA didn't hurt me too much. I just left it off my resume and focused on my other strengths. So ultimately, what mattered from my education was mostly just the name of my university and degree, which I gained access to thanks to my SAT score.
But if I didn't have parents who could afford to send me to those classes... If I didn't have the free time to study because I had to work a job to help my family... If I didn't grow up in a neighborhood where the public school was very well funded and nationally ranked... There is no way in the world I would have gotten that score.
And if I didnt get that score, would I be where I am today? Would I make the income I do today? Would I live in the comfort that I currently live in?
Probably not.
What a broken system.
As a British student who has just applied for university through UCAS this system is so alien! We are admitted on the basis of our A-level grades (qualifications taken in the last two years of school in 3 subjects) and sometimes interviews alone! It’s not a perfect system but seems fairer than this!
True
Clearly, what SATs measure is how well-prepared you are for SATs - and this principle applies to many other exams and tests which have a massive impact on people's lives.
I watch rick and morty and got 1601 on my SAT's.
Wayaminute
I watched young Sheldon at got 2000 you feeble minded simpleton
only high iq ppl will get this joke
@@rnnres4749 The new SAT only goes up to 1600
Your vocabulary will growth across galaxies
In my opinion the Act is easier but it gives you less time to answer questions.
In Australia, we have a different system called ATAR. Atar is one of 2 pathways you can take in Year 12 - you can complete general/tafe courses, which in general means you end up taking tertiary level tafe courses, or you can take atar. The majority of students chose atar, as that is what you need to get into uni (there are other methods but I'm not going to go into that). Your atar is a combination of your in-class marks from the entire year, and 2 sets of exams, one in term 2 and one in term 4. You do an exam for each atar subject you take, and the minimum amount you have to take is 4 classes. Most schools cap the limit at 6, but some academics schools can allow students to do 7. Now each state also has its own graduating certificate (e.g. in WA ours is called WACE), that to my knowledge, have different requirements. In WA, you have to complete 20 atar units (1 semester of work = 1 unit, and you can get units in yr 11 and 12). Basically you have to do 10 atar subjects over 2 years to get it. Most people end up graduating with more than 20 units. Now if you have your WACE and an atar, that is usually enough to get into uni. Idk how it is over east, but for a lot of unis over here, the majority of courses only require roughly a 70 atar (which is fairly achievable), and higher atars are only required for things such as medicine. So it's definitely a lot easier to get into uni.
In Russia there’s an ongoing debate about a similar system, ЕГЭ (Joint State Examination). This year, a student stressed out and died during the exams.
@EuCarEste don't they always
EuCarEste well if that was the cause, then that student deserved it maybe
Wait, what, really?! Dang! He is NOT prepare!
@Lil Reddit Same
The SAT measures how good you are at taking a test and paying for expensive test prep.
Nah, most of the people I know didn't pay for test prep and did extremely well by national standards.
@@__nog642 Anybody that's going to any selective college is going to be at least in the top 20% nationally. I'm talking more about the difference between the top 5% and the top 1%; that's where it starts to matter.
@@MattSezer I'm also talking top 1-2%. Maybe I'm not looking at a very nationally representative sample though.
agree about the first part. however, in my experience, expensive test prep is worthless
I didn’t study and got 1580
In High School 2017 I applied to 10 schools and was rejected from all of them.
In Community College 2020 I applied to 8 school and got into one.
My stats:
High School:
3.55 Unweighted GPA
4.22 Weighted GPA
1390 SAT
780 Math subject exam
760 Physics subject exam
7 AP Exams (all 4's and 5's)
Cross Country 4 years
Eagle Scout
Community College: (at this point I gave up, I was depressed, I couldn't understand why I worked hard in high school)
3.44 GPA
A few clubs
The SAT is an OK gauge to ballpark a prospective student's aptitude. It's not a useless tool, but it's nothing close to a determinator. I didn't do too well on the SAT, but I squeezed the most I could out of college. Don't get me wrong - I didn't graduate college with top honors or anything like that either - I wasn't featured on school admissions flyers or on a social media post like some of my A+ friends. But what I *did* was do the best I could in the workplace and seek out every opportunity to try new things out on the job. I learned a ridiculous amount of stuff during the two years after I graduated college, and now I am glad to report that I work a stable job in the aerospace industry that I enjoy very much. Oh and yes, I get paid very well - more than those A+ college students I mentioned earlier, and certainly more than anyone in my high school class.
This hit me in the heart. Compared my parents income with my score and it’s correct and then compared my cousins score with my uncle’s income and it’s a match. But I can’t blame my parents for my life choices I just have to work harder.
Nandeezy Nessy too late you already took the test
Idk all my school is low income and rank in the top 40%
Generally universities want something that's standardised. GPA is unreliable because different schools may interpret the same work differently. One school may grade an A+, another an A- for the same piece of work. They like tests like the SAT because everybody has done the same thing more or less. Interviews and custom exams can be another option, but they don't have the ability to test or interview that many, and besides, the stress of taking different exams for each university is surely going to overwhelm the student. As for improving social mobility, you can do it one of two ways, affirmative action which handicaps students from wealthier backgrounds, or subsidies which allow poorer students to improve their score. Personally I think option B is going to be a lot less controversial.
Or, alternately, stop cutting education budgets and gearing tests to benefit none but the wealthy.
I prefer option B, agreed. Affirmative action doesn't take into consideration that there are students of all colors at the wealthier end of the spectrum that also work hard and deserve their spot in a high end college.
"One school may grade an A+, another an A- for the same piece of work."
Oh, it's much worse than that. You make it sound like the variation is a few percent but it can be dozens of percent.
I'm so glad that I'll be applying to all test-optional and test-blind colleges this summer. No SAT for me! I've already been accepted to 2 universities :)
I’m thinking of doing this too, but worried because I don’t have a very impressive portfolio to fall back on...I didn’t really do any extracurriculars due to me having to care for my sibling everyday. And I’m planning this year to get a job and do community service, but it still feels like it’s not standout-ish enough. What did you fall back on to get you accepted since you don’t have to put in your SAT scores?
@@cc_0389 i also didn't have many extracurriculars. I put alot of time & effort into my essays. I referenced different points in my life that led me to my major choice & what my future plans are. Idk what you're going to major in but if its anything related to teaching, child care or even social work you should definitely mention that you took care of your siblings &how that may have influenced your decision.
I'm completely finished with my admissions process. I was accepted to 20/21 schools (1 waitlist). Also, I'll be graduating in 4 years with no student loans thanks to my Grants and scholarships that I earned mostly from my essay submissions!
Let me know if you have any more questions, I'd be happy to help!
@@jacquelynamcc What uni did you get into?
@@hannahjoseph2347 I wound up going to University of Illinois Chicago & I’m in my second year now :)
In sweden universities take your average grade from the past 3 years to determine if you get in or not. You could also take a test similar to the SATs, which costs money. However, this test doesn't boost your chances of getting into the school. Usually, 67% of the spots are given to the ones with the highest grades and 33% to the highest test scores. So if you messed up in one grade and know you could do better now, the test might be a good idea but if you get good grades all through the 3 last years there is no need to take the test. There are other ways to get in as well, but I'm not going to get into them. Also tuition is 100% free. The only thing students have to pay for are books and a place to stay.