Such a beautiful pen, Emy!!! On this grail pen, I would love to try the #8 nib in fine. As always, I enjoy your informative videos. Be well & stay safe.
Hey marianne - i have to say that the fine nib is what i choose for my first Leonardo pen with size 8 nib :D Thank you for being so supportive - be safe!
I believe the two #6 nibs are Jowo nibs, not Bock. You would have to look at the #6 feed (Jowo feeds are flat at the end and Bock nibs have a "scoop" at the end), but as far as I can tell, Jowo nibs have the two sweeping lines along the edges of the nib whereas Bock nibs are plain (there are no two lines), although "actual" Bock (as opposed to manufacturing a speciality nib, like Leonardo, with their beautiful wings icon/logo) nibs have the mountain goat logo stamped on the nib face. I believe Jowo no longer makes a #8 nib, but Bock still makes the Type 380, and has the typical "scoop" feed. Some Bock #8 nibs do have scrolling, just as just about all older Jowo nibs had scrolling.
well Wally all nibs that you see in this video are Bock - its not about the feed or anything because in regards of ebonite feeds leonardo is heat setting their own feeds and its not using JOWO feeds - only the ABS feeds used now are by JOWO. Bock is making nibs on order for leonardo with the Leonardo branding and not theirs so this is why they are called Harmonic Steel - using a allow special only for leonardo nibs (steel) and on gold as well - leonardo choose from a bunch of alloys for their gold nibs. Bock is making size 8 nibs only in gold and Titanium - trust me - i know Leonardo nibs very well
Thank you for the review and the closeup of the Girasole, it is a beautiful pen! Also mentioning the option of bespoke. I appreciate that you took the time to make this video and give an official announcement on the change from Bock to JoWo. I personally have a Furore with Bock that you've adjusted nicely, but I'd try a JoWo, too!
Thanks for the detail about the #8 nibs. I knew they were switching to Jowo but I've been worried Leonardo would would stop the #8 nibs. Nice to hear they'll keep doing them, though, since the Grande pens just look better with #8 nibs.
Thank you Jay, the entire batch of momento zero size 8 nibs will arrive in inventory next week and we will put the options online as well so they can be ordered. :D
Thanks for this beautiful review of the Leonardo Grande Nibs. Yes we came to know a few days back that Leonardo has moved to JoWo nibs. I am sure they will be equally good a Bock if not better. Once again thanks for this beautiful review of the nibs.
I always try to bring the best captions for any of my reviews - thank you K. I’m sure the change is going to be better for everyone 🙌🏻 can’t wait to try them all and have them here
bock nibs are better to me, but Jowo is more consistent. Good to hear about the #8 option though, I'd have to save up for one, larger nib does look better proportionally for this pen.
hmmm this aspect i've debated with William Shakour from UK (pen maker) - he had a chat with Bock regarding that he wants size8 steel nibs, they said NO like never - they did offered titanium nibs in size 8 but steel wont be made into size8
Its easy - take a XF nib and send it for grinding to a nibmeister. It is not a BB because i have BB that write 4 times this M nib - you just prefer finer nibs :D
I always wanted to know how writing with a #8 nib is different from writing with a #6 nib. I don’t know of any video that addresses this particular question (and only this particular question). Besides, as I only write with Japanese fines, and I see even the Japanese don’t make fine versions of their larger nibs… Would it be a bad idea to have a #8 nib ground down to a Japanese fine?
Well all I can say is that there are a lot of variable factors, in my experience Leonardo offers the only option in this because you can have on the same pen body and same pen size, a #6 or a #8 nib, if you have a size 8 nib on a KoP (for example) and a size 6 (on a lower tier Sailor pen model) - how would you compare the nibs if you have a different pen/shape/weight/grip position and all of that? Japanese dont do a EF nib pain our of a very important limitation, they use 21kt gold on the KOP size 8 nib, that is a very soft nib and if you ground a EF point (although in the past they offered a EF point on that nib from factory) you will find out it s a very skippy nib, the combined size of the nib/softness of the 21kt gold and the fact that your grip sits so far back due to the length of the nib... naturally you apply more pressure making the gap of the tines larger and since the EF point is that fine - it breaks the capillary action making a perfect skippy nib. This is why you dont see a size 8 EF and F (Japanese nibs) ... If you where to have this nib tipping on a 14k or even 18k gold italian size8 ni (well... its bock or jowo so not really an Italian) - I think it works because first is more stiff and prevents the tines from spreading too easy and second of all EF and F points are like a Japanese Medium :D I hope this answer makes things more clear
Hey there, From January they will go with JOWO on steel nibs and 14k Gold size6. On the Momento Zero and Furore (normal both not grandes) will be friction fited into a nib unit and for the Grande series (steel and 14k gold) will be friction fitted into the section with the ebonite feed and not in a nib unit.
I am thinking of getting a "Fine" nib, would this be equal to like a true medium since it does secrete more ink? Is there some flex to these nibs? I have a 14k " Medium" Leonardo Momento Grande and love the nib, is the #8 large size Fine nib comparable to the 14k Medium?
I wouldn't say it can be a true Medium but a fat and juicy fine can be closer to a Medium in regards of the line it puts down. If you are asking about the steel nib if its flexy - i would say that the Bock ones are more flexy than JOWO steel ones (we still have a few steel Bock nibs in stock at this moment). The size 8 nibs are more true to their size so a F its a F
@@pen.venture I seen the video of you using the #8 size Medium and i could swear it looked like a "Broad' nib to me. I decided to go for a Fine so i can get a Medium sized line. If this makes any sense to you? i am right?
hi Emy ! again nice review which is really helpful ! thank you . is there any reason why they move to Jowo nib from Bock nib ?? when will be available this #8 size bock nib ?
Thank you for this support - The only reason is less delays in restocking them to Leonardo and also a better consistency in the writing experience. As we speak they are all available on order from retailer - its not official yet but that will be shortly announced, i was allowed by Salva to have a jumpstart on these news
It is a bespoke option, if you want a specific model from the Momento Zero Grande series let me know by email at penventure@yahoo.com , we settle there all the details in specifications / colors / nib size and all and from there we forward the order to Leonardo
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Such a beautiful pen, Emy!!! On this grail pen, I would love to try the #8 nib in fine. As always, I enjoy your informative videos. Be well & stay safe.
Hey marianne - i have to say that the fine nib is what i choose for my first Leonardo pen with size 8 nib :D Thank you for being so supportive - be safe!
I believe the two #6 nibs are Jowo nibs, not Bock. You would have to look at the #6 feed (Jowo feeds are flat at the end and Bock nibs have a "scoop" at the end), but as far as I can tell, Jowo nibs have the two sweeping lines along the edges of the nib whereas Bock nibs are plain (there are no two lines), although "actual" Bock (as opposed to manufacturing a speciality nib, like Leonardo, with their beautiful wings icon/logo) nibs have the mountain goat logo stamped on the nib face. I believe Jowo no longer makes a #8 nib, but Bock still makes the Type 380, and has the typical "scoop" feed. Some Bock #8 nibs do have scrolling, just as just about all older Jowo nibs had scrolling.
well Wally all nibs that you see in this video are Bock - its not about the feed or anything because in regards of ebonite feeds leonardo is heat setting their own feeds and its not using JOWO feeds - only the ABS feeds used now are by JOWO. Bock is making nibs on order for leonardo with the Leonardo branding and not theirs so this is why they are called Harmonic Steel - using a allow special only for leonardo nibs (steel) and on gold as well - leonardo choose from a bunch of alloys for their gold nibs. Bock is making size 8 nibs only in gold and Titanium - trust me - i know Leonardo nibs very well
Thank you for the review and the closeup of the Girasole, it is a beautiful pen! Also mentioning the option of bespoke.
I appreciate that you took the time to make this video and give an official announcement on the change from Bock to JoWo. I personally have a Furore with Bock that you've adjusted nicely, but I'd try a JoWo, too!
Thank you Alexandra for everything. Looking forward on your feedback on the pen that’s now traveling your way. 🙌🏻 JOWO nibs are just around the corner
As usual One of the best review on the web
Thank you Francesco - it is rewarding to see feedback like this. I strive to be the best - one day at a time / one video at a time
Thanks for the comparison, Emy. Hopefully you can do one that includes the Jowo nibs some day as well. So many choices!
Hey Scot - as soon as they launch them and its all in order, i need to make a video for everything of corse :D
@@pen.venture And we appreciate it! :)
Thanks for the detail about the #8 nibs. I knew they were switching to Jowo but I've been worried Leonardo would would stop the #8 nibs. Nice to hear they'll keep doing them, though, since the Grande pens just look better with #8 nibs.
Thank you Jay, the entire batch of momento zero size 8 nibs will arrive in inventory next week and we will put the options online as well so they can be ordered. :D
Thanks for this beautiful review of the Leonardo Grande Nibs. Yes we came to know a few days back that Leonardo has moved to JoWo nibs. I am sure they will be equally good a Bock if not better. Once again thanks for this beautiful review of the nibs.
I always try to bring the best captions for any of my reviews - thank you K.
I’m sure the change is going to be better for everyone 🙌🏻 can’t wait to try them all and have them here
@@pen.venture True Emy. I love your videos.
bock nibs are better to me, but Jowo is more consistent. Good to hear about the #8 option though, I'd have to save up for one, larger nib does look better proportionally for this pen.
bock nibs are wet and smooth and relative more flexy - and consistency as well. Yes exactly - the size8 nib looks like it belongs on this pen
I hope they create a #8 steel nib!
hmmm this aspect i've debated with William Shakour from UK (pen maker) - he had a chat with Bock regarding that he wants size8 steel nibs, they said NO like never - they did offered titanium nibs in size 8 but steel wont be made into size8
I’d love the number 8 in eef😂 the medium looks like a double broad thanks to the amazing flow
Its easy - take a XF nib and send it for grinding to a nibmeister. It is not a BB because i have BB that write 4 times this M nib - you just prefer finer nibs :D
@@pen.venture everything beyond fine looks bbbbbbb to me 😅
I once used a 2.5 mm stub :))
Great review, I like the #8 gold nib....... need to save up :)
Hey David - thanks for always being supportive - the 8 one is a monster :D
@@pen.venture I know ....... haha.....
OOOh ! I want one of those #8 goldnibs, pronto! But sadly it´s out of my league.
They don't show up everywhere but they are charming when they do
amazing.... period.
It left me speechless as well - i went with a fine
Hi Emy, great video! One question, is the no8 nib removable like the no6 nib? Or is this one fixed? Kind regards
Hey Peter, the no8 nib is going to be removed exactly like no6 (it is friction fitted)
I always wanted to know how writing with a #8 nib is different from writing with a #6 nib. I don’t know of any video that addresses this particular question (and only this particular question). Besides, as I only write with Japanese fines, and I see even the Japanese don’t make fine versions of their larger nibs… Would it be a bad idea to have a #8 nib ground down to a Japanese fine?
Well all I can say is that there are a lot of variable factors, in my experience Leonardo offers the only option in this because you can have on the same pen body and same pen size, a #6 or a #8 nib, if you have a size 8 nib on a KoP (for example) and a size 6 (on a lower tier Sailor pen model) - how would you compare the nibs if you have a different pen/shape/weight/grip position and all of that? Japanese dont do a EF nib pain our of a very important limitation, they use 21kt gold on the KOP size 8 nib, that is a very soft nib and if you ground a EF point (although in the past they offered a EF point on that nib from factory) you will find out it s a very skippy nib, the combined size of the nib/softness of the 21kt gold and the fact that your grip sits so far back due to the length of the nib... naturally you apply more pressure making the gap of the tines larger and since the EF point is that fine - it breaks the capillary action making a perfect skippy nib. This is why you dont see a size 8 EF and F (Japanese nibs) ... If you where to have this nib tipping on a 14k or even 18k gold italian size8 ni (well... its bock or jowo so not really an Italian) - I think it works because first is more stiff and prevents the tines from spreading too easy and second of all EF and F points are like a Japanese Medium :D I hope this answer makes things more clear
@@pen.venture Many thanks!
Hi Emy! Thank you for this review. When Leonardo changes over to JOWO nibs, are they still friction fit? Or are they going to be in a nib unit?
Hey there,
From January they will go with JOWO on steel nibs and 14k Gold size6. On the Momento Zero and Furore (normal both not grandes) will be friction fited into a nib unit and for the Grande series (steel and 14k gold) will be friction fitted into the section with the ebonite feed and not in a nib unit.
@@pen.venture thanks for this Emy! Keep up the awesome work!!!!
I am thinking of getting a "Fine" nib, would this be equal to like a true medium since it does secrete more ink? Is there some flex to these nibs? I have a 14k " Medium" Leonardo Momento Grande and love the nib, is the #8 large size Fine nib comparable to the 14k Medium?
I wouldn't say it can be a true Medium but a fat and juicy fine can be closer to a Medium in regards of the line it puts down. If you are asking about the steel nib if its flexy - i would say that the Bock ones are more flexy than JOWO steel ones (we still have a few steel Bock nibs in stock at this moment). The size 8 nibs are more true to their size so a F its a F
@@pen.venture I seen the video of you using the #8 size Medium and i could swear it looked like a "Broad' nib to me. I decided to go for a Fine so i can get a Medium sized line. If this makes any sense to you? i am right?
hi Emy ! again nice review which is really helpful ! thank you . is there any reason why they move to Jowo nib from Bock nib ??
when will be available this #8 size bock nib ?
Thank you for this support - The only reason is less delays in restocking them to Leonardo and also a better consistency in the writing experience.
As we speak they are all available on order from retailer - its not official yet but that will be shortly announced, i was allowed by Salva to have a jumpstart on these news
how can i command MZG in 14 k gold #8 gold nib ?? how could i choose in the site ? because i can't see the option
It is a bespoke option, if you want a specific model from the Momento Zero Grande series let me know by email at penventure@yahoo.com , we settle there all the details in specifications / colors / nib size and all and from there we forward the order to Leonardo
how much times it will take to deliver ?
@@junhosong3493 depending on the situation with the orders that are in work - to be conservative i would say 1-2 weeks