I am close friends with Clearwater Valley. The wife and I are very close. They are an amazing family. I bought from them for years and I bought their seed volt also!!! Tons of seeds!!
I stopped using them 2 years ago after numerous types of seeds failed to germinate. I initially blamed myself, but literally nothing germinated. I certainly do not want to mess with GMO seeds. I had no idea they were for the pokey-poke... 😢
I’m new to this information! Thanks Zach, for keeping us all informed. No more Baker’s Creek for me! I have tickets to both the Tulip Festival and the Spring planting festival. They just went in the trash! Not only did the GMO seeds do it for me, but forcing people to get poked was terrible!
I truly didn't know this about Baker Creek. Thank you. I honestly don't have the money for buying seeds. I save from the year grown. But I am glad to know this just in case I had some money to buy them.
A local Arkansas women gave me a huge box full of separated seeds she has been harvesting from her garden for decades. I get the best tomatoes from those seeds. Trying beans an squash this year.
I haven't bought from BC for around 2 years. I wasn't getting the germination rates I expected and some of the seeds I got were mismarked. i.e. I ordered Bee Balm. When it sprouted, it was yarrow. After I heard about the 'jab' business, I pretty much wrote them off.
I moved to the area a little over 10 years ago, and I still haven't made it over to Laura Ingalls Wilder's place. I have been to Baker Creek before, after I first got here.
Clearwater Valley is an amazing family. The wife and I are very good friends. This company is amazing. I have bought for many years. I also bought their seed volt. Millions of seeds!!!
😂 funny synchronicity, I found that same catalog left behind by someone at the post office. I took it home, and today, I tore into it, literally. I'm using the flower pics to decoupage some handmade books and a mystic pyramid (aka occult illuminator system, patent #3,759,607). I save my own seeds and trade with locals.
All I can say is WOW... Unfortunately I'm one of those in the dark or busy elsewhere, which is even worse being from Missouri and only and hour and a half away. Was just using seed stock I had this year and last. Gotten the catalog but honestly haven't had time to really even look at it other than to say I had it. Seriously appreciate you taking the time to point it out. 👊 Will be continuing to share this information, thank you.
We probably spent $200 on seeds from them in 2020 and had a terrible germination rate and ultimately none of the seedlings took root when transplanted. Haven't bought from them since.
My friend runs a good sized csa and we were talking about companies. She loves the catalogs from them, the seeds not so much because germination is terrible and she knows what she's doing.
Exact same experience. The only thing that's had reliable germination from Baker Creek were a few tomato selections from Wild Boar Farms. I haven't reordered since 2020.
Honestly, I quit Baker Creek when their seeds right from the packet were growing something way different that what's on the packet. I had not heard this news about them "messing up" and getting a GMO tomato, so as you were ranting, I had to look in my catalog and on their website...The catalog specifically says "the purple-est non GMO tomato" (clearly comparing it to the GMO tomato) but it's nowhere to be found on the website, just as you said. What a cluster!!! Keep up the good work Zak
Great video! Your reactions at the end of this video had me laughing. 😅 I love the passion. Keep it up! And I'll be checking out Clearwater Valley Farms.
Thanks Zach I was just starting to look at there catalog to maybe order but thanks to you I look at Clear Water Valley Farms. Thank you and keep up the good fight.
I bought a lot of Baker Creek seeds for several years. Dropped them instantly when they mandated the needle. Was (naively) stunned that that could happen in a deep red rural area.
When you talked about them making their employees get the arm candy I brought it up to them and they went on the attack!! I even brought up the letter. Never bought from them and never will!!
I knew about the tomato debacle, but not the other info 💉. I have a few seed packets previously purchased and don't want to waste them (we'll see if they grow) but no more. And that email reminds me of what was going on at the company i was working for during the 'demic; i was fired for "noncompliance". Baker Creek has eff'd up.
Little Hoss, aka Trav at Lazy dog farm did a video not long ago on Baker Creek purple tomato. Still don't why he don't uses is daddy's seeds seems like fall out yrs ago.
I use mostly MIGardnwe these days and I live 30 minutes from baker Creek. Sometimes I buy from Fedco and Johnny's but mostly MiGardner - and honestly mostly my own garden any more
Ashamedly I ordered from them this year. Bought the catalogue too. I'd say it'll be a collectors item but I don't think this age has that much time left. Either way, that's my last order from Baker Creek. Thanks for covering this.
I am sure BC will dump those seeds on our local libraries where we have a program to help people get free seeds. Baker Creek is where I first met you and Jamie! I haven't been back since the insanity began with the pokey poke. See you at the Ozarks Homesteading Expo.
You mean Dave (the previous face of Baker Creek).. He was a good man. Worked hard at Baker Creek caring for the animals. Rumor has it around here he was let go and asked to move out his home on the land.. It was heartbreaking.
Yeah... The Getl's are not the friendly rural types they try to project. The Mrs is particularly impressed with her personal status, and wants others to know how much better she is.
Just fyi I tried to watch this video in the first 3 hours of it posting and about 5 minutes in it went straight to the next suggested video. I tried several times. Just now getting to see the whole thing.
I love this Idea! Mama is tired over here! I want to have a salsa garden, plus cucumbers, potatoes, cabbage,and green beans. That might be it for me. Oh, I want to try carrots again.
I stopped ordering from them a few years back. Was surprised they pushed the poky poke. This does not surprise me after the poky. I have been saving my own seeds for years now. When I do order I always wonder...... pray about it. Pray for guidance.
I had issues with getting their seeds to germinate in 2016-17 ish era. Skipped ordering from them until very early 2020 because obviously I needed to stock up on all the things. Then they mandated the Fauci ouchie… never again.
Yeah, like how many other seeds are they selling that MAY or MAY NOT be GMO and nobody has figured it out yet. They are not to be trusted....at least by me.
That's correct, they didn't enforce it. They didn't lie to you. They were going to enforce it but there was so much backlash they backed off and the SCOTUS didn't uphold the mandate.
The issue I Heard is that if a company had above 100 employees they were forced to send out these memos for the pokey or else face heavy fines that could have caused issues with the company. The problem is that everyone against these things were upset that BC didn't "fight against the man," but no one was in their shoes where no one knew what would happen if you went against the mandates. They backtracked after the supreme court ruling, but they did receive a bunch of backlash. Were there no other seed companies that had issues? Most of the other ones seem a bit smaller, so this only affected Baker Creek and maybe some of the bigger ones who aren't into the non-gmo stuff.
I unsubbed from Baker Creek's emails after I found out about the poke! I told them why also. Make sure not to confuse them with bakercreeklavenderfarm in Utah!!!!
Never bought from them. I had no idea ordered the catalog and then heard about the purple tomato debacle, and I tossed the catalog in the round file. I guess I could have been more green and put it in the outhouse, my bad can you please forgive me . 😅
They screwed up my orders, two of them, in a row. I can overlook a lot of things, but I won't overlook just failing to do what I am paying them for, which is delivering the seeds I ordered.
We live 20 minutes away from them. We have friends who know the parents of the guy who started the company. They are 7th day adventist, and good people. The son went very liberal according to them. It’s a shame, as I really love their village. The mom makes the best cinnamon rolls for their bakery
Wow I didn't realize that It's good to know I'm going to go check my seedsI don't think I have any. But what else is genetically modified of their seeds I did have a couple things that didn't germinate one year but I thought that was something maybe I did Well this is good to know Thank you for letting me know I'm just going to keep using my own seeds and the few that I have bought for them this last time maybe I will just not buy from them at all they've really messed up
I bought those Norfolk purple tomatoes, I don't really care about that GMO for one thing in my entire garden, however I don't mind Baker Creek for the variety, I hate them for their price... MIgardener all the way. Those Norfolk seeds were $2 a seed in a pack of 10. Did you ever get to look up that H7N9 avian virus?
Some GMO’s are necessary. By cross breeding different corns, for example, we get a hardy drought resistant crop. However GMO=hybrid and the seeds from hybrids don’t reproduce well.
The guy they have promoting their seeds seems really off to me. I used to love BC. I get my seeds from Grateful Harvest Seeds now, they are also in MO.
Clearwater Valley Farms doesn't ship internationally. MiGardener does though. But, I would still buy something I couldn't get anywhere else from Baker Creek. I'm sad for their need to re-evaluate their recent choices, but I know there is still value in the seeds themselves. Any other companies, Zach?
I didn’t order from them last year, and I certainly won’t ever again. No thanks. There are plenty of other good companies out there. Could you make that “Stupid Should Hurt” shirt into something larger?!? A flag? Or a banner? 😉🤣🤣
I too once loved and then stopped supporting BC after the pokes. But… what if…. due to their success BC is targeted by M to remove access to heirloom seeds in the future. We live in crazy times. 🤷🏻♀️
Sad so sad. Not many seed companies have a huge variety of seeds like Baker Creek does. Clear Water Valley has a small selection. Does anyone know of a similar company like BC? I have tries Seeds Now but the germination rate is poor.
I don't know why you advertise the Perfect Pickler as I've NEVER been able to order one in all the time I've seen your ads. I'll just get what I want through Amazon. It costs more but at least I will get it.
We sell them at the website. What exactly are you having an issue with and maybe I can help. People are buying them so maybe it's how you're trying to check out.
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I bought from Clear Water Valley Farms for the first time this year. Great value on their bundles.
I am close friends with Clearwater Valley. The wife and I are very close. They are an amazing family. I bought from them for years and I bought their seed volt also!!! Tons of seeds!!
I stopped using them 2 years ago after numerous types of seeds failed to germinate. I initially blamed myself, but literally nothing germinated. I certainly do not want to mess with GMO seeds.
I had no idea they were for the pokey-poke... 😢
Us too!!!
@@R_B62 Wow! Very interesting.
Same here. Last year I had very low germination rates from Baker Creek. Not planning to order from them again.
I'm starting to see a pattern here...@@offgridsolitude
Same here. Less than half my purchase germinated, what a waste. Never again.
I didn’t know about Baker Creek. I have their catalog sitting on my desk, going to go shred it now :)
I think farmers should be able to sue Monsanto for contamination rather than the other way around. People dont want gmo. So ridiculous
I’m new to this information! Thanks Zach, for keeping us all informed. No more Baker’s Creek for me! I have tickets to both the Tulip Festival and the Spring planting festival. They just went in the trash! Not only did the GMO seeds do it for me, but forcing people to get poked was terrible!
i’m really glad you have explained…i meant to look into this but just haven’t made it that part of my to-do list. …important info…
Thanks!
I truly didn't know this about Baker Creek. Thank you. I honestly don't have the money for buying seeds. I save from the year grown. But I am glad to know this just in case I had some money to buy them.
A local Arkansas women gave me a huge box full of separated seeds she has been harvesting from her garden for decades. I get the best tomatoes from those seeds. Trying beans an squash this year.
That is so awesome! What a priceless gift!!
I haven't bought from BC for around 2 years. I wasn't getting the germination rates I expected and some of the seeds I got were mismarked. i.e. I ordered Bee Balm. When it sprouted, it was yarrow. After I heard about the 'jab' business, I pretty much wrote them off.
I have had the same experience. Most seeds didn't germinate. The ones that did were not the plant that the packet claimed they were!
I quit Baker Creek when you first told us about them forcing their employees to get the clot shot. I’m non GMO myself and plan to stay that way.
Me too. I throw their books in the garbage
Moved to MO 3 years ago and have always wanted to go there, will pass on that venture.
I moved to the area a little over 10 years ago, and I still haven't made it over to Laura Ingalls Wilder's place. I have been to Baker Creek before, after I first got here.
Their spring festival is truly enjoyable, a lot of independent vendors... Williams wife, Shirley.
Clearwater Valley is an amazing family. The wife and I are very good friends. This company is amazing. I have bought for many years. I also bought their seed volt. Millions of seeds!!!
😂 funny synchronicity, I found that same catalog left behind by someone at the post office. I took it home, and today, I tore into it, literally. I'm using the flower pics to decoupage some handmade books and a mystic pyramid (aka occult illuminator system, patent #3,759,607).
I save my own seeds and trade with locals.
All I can say is WOW... Unfortunately I'm one of those in the dark or busy elsewhere, which is even worse being from Missouri and only and hour and a half away. Was just using seed stock I had this year and last. Gotten the catalog but honestly haven't had time to really even look at it other than to say I had it. Seriously appreciate you taking the time to point it out. 👊 Will be continuing to share this information, thank you.
We probably spent $200 on seeds from them in 2020 and had a terrible germination rate and ultimately none of the seedlings took root when transplanted. Haven't bought from them since.
My friend runs a good sized csa and we were talking about companies. She loves the catalogs from them, the seeds not so much because germination is terrible and she knows what she's doing.
Exact same experience. The only thing that's had reliable germination from Baker Creek were a few tomato selections from Wild Boar Farms. I haven't reordered since 2020.
"Keep it on file"??? That's a big, fat HIPAA violation in black and white! Go go gadget lawsuit.
Thank you for this information. I cancelled all connection with Baker Creek. They won't get my $$ anymore.
Honestly, I quit Baker Creek when their seeds right from the packet were growing something way different that what's on the packet. I had not heard this news about them "messing up" and getting a GMO tomato, so as you were ranting, I had to look in my catalog and on their website...The catalog specifically says "the purple-est non GMO tomato" (clearly comparing it to the GMO tomato) but it's nowhere to be found on the website, just as you said. What a cluster!!!
Keep up the good work Zak
It disappeared from their website as soon as the news came out.
@@gjsmimi4474 I had not heard about it until now.
Great video! Your reactions at the end of this video had me laughing. 😅 I love the passion. Keep it up! And I'll be checking out Clearwater Valley Farms.
I’ve made 5 big purchases from dollar seed online and love the products and services. I stopped purchasing baker creek seeds 2 years ago.
I wonder how many of their other seeds are modified?
EXACTLY!
I was thinking the same thing. How can you trust the integrity of the seeds.
I haven't used Baker Creek in 3 three years.
Love it. The mad hatter of homesteading throwing it out there
Thanks Zach I was just starting to look at there catalog to maybe order but thanks to you I look at Clear Water Valley Farms. Thank you and keep up the good fight.
Knew that, stopped using them the minute they pushed the jab... Use Pinetree Garden out of Gray Maine. Superseeds
Pinetree Garden used to be one of my favorites, but they don't ship internationally, last time I checked.
If more people would get worked up, we could do something about the demise of the US.
I bought a lot of Baker Creek seeds for several years. Dropped them instantly when they mandated the needle. Was (naively) stunned that that could happen in a deep red rural area.
Nice video Zac... yes maybe slightly worked up but it's important to get your audience captivated when it's a serious point....
When you talked about them making their employees get the arm candy I brought it up to them and they went on the attack!! I even brought up the letter. Never bought from them and never will!!
I remember when he sold seeds door to door to get his business going and yes I am from Mansfield
I love MI Gardener seeds and I also sell them at my farm store.
I knew about the tomato debacle, but not the other info 💉. I have a few seed packets previously purchased and don't want to waste them (we'll see if they grow) but no more. And that email reminds me of what was going on at the company i was working for during the 'demic; i was fired for "noncompliance". Baker Creek has eff'd up.
I just ordered more seeds from Hoss. Germination rate from BC seed is bad! I used seeds I had. I will never order from them again!!!!
Hoss seeds have always been reliable for me with high germination rate.
hoss is great. Plus on most seed packs they send a plant label
Little Hoss, aka Trav at Lazy dog farm did a video not long ago on Baker Creek purple tomato. Still don't why he don't uses is daddy's seeds seems like fall out yrs ago.
@@hardstylzz5024 I saw that video. Was very disappointed that he decided to grow the gmo.
Clearwater Valley have impeccable customer service.
I used to love Carhartt until they forced the Frankenvax on their employees.
I have some Carhartt wear and put a black magic marker thru their logo patch. If anyone asks I tell them why.
Well, I guess they got stupid and now it hurts!
I use mostly MIGardnwe these days and I live 30 minutes from baker Creek.
Sometimes I buy from Fedco and Johnny's but mostly MiGardner - and honestly mostly my own garden any more
Ashamedly I ordered from them this year. Bought the catalogue too. I'd say it'll be a collectors item but I don't think this age has that much time left. Either way, that's my last order from Baker Creek. Thanks for covering this.
I am sure BC will dump those seeds on our local libraries where we have a program to help people get free seeds. Baker Creek is where I first met you and Jamie! I haven't been back since the insanity began with the pokey poke. See you at the Ozarks Homesteading Expo.
It's always great watching you
I use True Leaf Market for all my seeds
Watched on Rumble, letting this run for the algorithm. I'll miss Baker Creeks great selection of interesting peppers. Thanks Zach.
I've ordered seeds last year. Had good germination, though. Haven't ordered this year...was going to, but now i won't.
Deer like tomatoes. Wonder what would happen to Bambi if she ate a purple tomato. Maybe a one-eyed, one-horned dying purple tomato eater.
now im questioning all my seeds from baker creek. hundreds of dollars worth of seeds..
Same😒
I don't blame you
I gave up on them during the jab. I commend you for doing this video.
Thanks for the update brother
You mean Dave (the previous face of Baker Creek).. He was a good man. Worked hard at Baker Creek caring for the animals. Rumor has it around here he was let go and asked to move out his home on the land.. It was heartbreaking.
Omgosh! That's insane!
Sent an email to your other page with more info on what happened to Dave. It was bad..
Yeah... The Getl's are not the friendly rural types they try to project.
The Mrs is particularly impressed with her personal status, and wants others to know how much better she is.
They kicked him off of his land wtf? I would love to hear more. Was this company sold out or something by the original owner?
"Rumor has it" is the beginning of gossip.
If it's facts then state as such, otherwise it's gossip.
Oh my.... I did not know this! gues I've missed your vids
I like that R&R was upset about the GMO tomato and she went further into how terrible this can become.
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Just fyi I tried to watch this video in the first 3 hours of it posting and about 5 minutes in it went straight to the next suggested video. I tried several times. Just now getting to see the whole thing.
We love you Zach! I do have a package of Cherokee Purple Tomato seeds from Clear Valley???
Cherokee Purple isn't truly purple. It is such an old variety. Definitely not a gmo
LOVE THE CHEROKEE PURPLE!! Its a REAL tomato!
They are sold, blackmailed, controlled
That's what I think.
A week to late just planted a boat load of B. C. seeds 🤦 well live and learn right ... Well see if they germinate
I saw the recent ads before I heard about this... They were so lame I didn't really want to buy anything from them again...
We can easily abolish the unjust laws, rules and regulations we just have to understand, audit and gather in large groups
Thank you! I just threw their catalog in the trash!
Just put my Clearwater seed order in!
I’m looking to simplify my garden this year. Grow more but fewer varieties.
What would be your top picks if you only grew 5-10 crops?
I love this Idea! Mama is tired over here! I want to have a salsa garden, plus cucumbers, potatoes, cabbage,and green beans. That might be it for me. Oh, I want to try carrots again.
I stopped ordering from them a few years back. Was surprised they pushed the poky poke. This does not surprise me after the poky. I have been saving my own seeds for years now. When I do order I always wonder...... pray about it. Pray for guidance.
I had issues with getting their seeds to germinate in 2016-17 ish era. Skipped ordering from them until very early 2020 because obviously I needed to stock up on all the things. Then they mandated the Fauci ouchie… never again.
Lazy Dog Farm bought those & did a video about it. So yea, they are selling them. So what else is in it they aren’t telling us?
Yeah, like how many other seeds are they selling that MAY or MAY NOT be GMO and nobody has figured it out yet. They are not to be trusted....at least by me.
They bought those from Norfolk, not Baker Creek.
When I contacted them a few weeks ago about the Cshot they lied about it, they said they never ever enforced it.
That's correct, they didn't enforce it. They didn't lie to you. They were going to enforce it but there was so much backlash they backed off and the SCOTUS didn't uphold the mandate.
The issue I Heard is that if a company had above 100 employees they were forced to send out these memos for the pokey or else face heavy fines that could have caused issues with the company.
The problem is that everyone against these things were upset that BC didn't "fight against the man," but no one was in their shoes where no one knew what would happen if you went against the mandates.
They backtracked after the supreme court ruling, but they did receive a bunch of backlash.
Were there no other seed companies that had issues? Most of the other ones seem a bit smaller, so this only affected Baker Creek and maybe some of the bigger ones who aren't into the non-gmo stuff.
@@Anamericanhomesteadso would they have enforced it? Enforcing the masks was insane enough.
I unsubbed from Baker Creek's emails after I found out about the poke! I told them why also.
Make sure not to confuse them with bakercreeklavenderfarm in Utah!!!!
I remember the green and purple catsup. I thought that was so cool until it stained my plates!
I'd never even heard of them until I got their catalog this past winter. I'm not even sure WHY I received a catalog. Kind of weird.
Never bought from them. I had no idea ordered the catalog and then heard about the purple tomato debacle, and I tossed the catalog in the round file. I guess I could have been more green and put it in the outhouse, my bad can you please forgive me . 😅
We did order from Clear Vally
They screwed up my orders, two of them, in a row. I can overlook a lot of things, but I won't overlook just failing to do what I am paying them for, which is delivering the seeds I ordered.
We live 20 minutes away from them. We have friends who know the parents of the guy who started the company. They are 7th day adventist, and good people. The son went very liberal according to them. It’s a shame, as I really love their village. The mom makes the best cinnamon rolls for their bakery
Those terminator grown purple tomatoes are fully organic.
We got our seeds from Clearwater Valley Farms.
Haven't been a customer for several years now. Other good places to shop.
I think that made them Liable for everything
Wow I didn't realize that It's good to know I'm going to go check my seedsI don't think I have any. But what else is genetically modified of their seeds I did have a couple things that didn't germinate one year but I thought that was something maybe I did Well this is good to know Thank you for letting me know I'm just going to keep using my own seeds and the few that I have bought for them this last time maybe I will just not buy from them at all they've really messed up
I bought those Norfolk purple tomatoes, I don't really care about that GMO for one thing in my entire garden, however I don't mind Baker Creek for the variety, I hate them for their price... MIgardener all the way. Those Norfolk seeds were $2 a seed in a pack of 10.
Did you ever get to look up that H7N9 avian virus?
Maybe we need to get better at saving seeds 🤔
😂you crack me up. Got the sweatshirt👍😂
Ive only been buying their heirloom seeds, but after hesring this now i gotta find a new company
Some GMO’s are necessary. By cross breeding different corns, for example, we get a hardy drought resistant crop. However GMO=hybrid and the seeds from hybrids don’t reproduce well.
Thanks for this! I won’t buy from baker creek again!
The guy they have promoting their seeds seems really off to me. I used to love BC. I get my seeds from Grateful Harvest Seeds now, they are also in MO.
What is the better seed company you think is I can get my seeds
On a different subject.Facebook and other platforms also went down in Australia the other day just like in the USA.That’s suspicious to me.
Yup! & Tractor
Clearwater Valley Farms doesn't ship internationally. MiGardener does though. But, I would still buy something I couldn't get anywhere else from Baker Creek. I'm sad for their need to re-evaluate their recent choices, but I know there is still value in the seeds themselves. Any other companies, Zach?
I didn’t order from them last year, and I certainly won’t ever again. No thanks. There are plenty of other good companies out there. Could you make that “Stupid Should Hurt” shirt into something larger?!? A flag? Or a banner? 😉🤣🤣
The article on page 139 of the same catalog that you are talking about says in its first sentence that it is NON-GMO. Please explain?
Read their website. They did a 180 AFTER the catalog was printed.
Um, no Baker Creek for me. I noticed something off with them a year ago. Something going on nefarious.
What did you notice?
I too once loved and then stopped supporting BC after the pokes. But… what if…. due to their success BC is targeted by M to remove access to heirloom seeds in the future. We live in crazy times. 🤷🏻♀️
Wait so are purple Cherokees part that group? I thought they were heirloom.
~No, it's just this one variety.
@@AlvinKazu thanks that’s my favorite to grow.
I’m so upset I’ve always used them. Ugh I no longer will
I just knew this video was going to be on that crazy tomato 😂.
so what is wrong with genetically-modified tomatoes? How else will the chickens lay them?
😂
What would you get if you save the seads from that?
I stopped buying from them back when i heard about the pokey poke.
Sad so sad. Not many seed companies have a huge variety of seeds like Baker Creek does. Clear Water Valley has a small selection. Does anyone know of a similar company like BC? I have tries Seeds Now but the germination rate is poor.
Have you checked out MIgardener? He is always working on getting more heirloom seed in his collection.
I get the majority of my seeds from MiGardener. Love their selection and prices.
A little worked up? You?? Naw keep up the good work!
I don't know why you advertise the Perfect Pickler as I've NEVER been able to order one in all the time I've seen your ads. I'll just get what I want through Amazon. It costs more but at least I will get it.
We sell them at the website. What exactly are you having an issue with and maybe I can help. People are buying them so maybe it's how you're trying to check out.