I Deleted all my Plugins... this is what I kept
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I deleted everything!!! Proceeds to explain how he still has basically every major plugin/vst on the market
I deleted everything but like a million plugins lol gotta love producers😂
Haha, he still has way too many plugins😂
You can never have too many 😅
@@yony_music he keeps saying crazy shit like '''you can't make modern music without omnisphere'''
or Diva
such exaggeration
To new/upcoming producers watching this, no you do not absolutely need all these to make music. Kontakt you will most likely want eventually if you don't stricly make electronic music, but all these plugins he says "you can not make modern music without these" .. Just flat out WRONG.
So don't be discouraged, you don't have to buy 1000's of $ worth of plugins, or pirate stuff.
Take your time, learn to synthesize maybe, and build up your collection over time.
Good response. I think for beginners, Serum, is enough, and likely more than enough for a while. However, I only say that because the tutorials + presets are plentiful, otherwise Vital is an easy pick. There are many good free plug-ins especially for effects, and you should move past your stock plug-ins once you’ve grown past them.
This is probably the best advice. And there is a lot free stuff out there which is great. Some of my sounds sound the way they are because of post processing. And some are resynthesis with extraordinary features :)
The best things come true if you just play around. Of course you should know at least the basics. Then the rest will eventually come to a point where you can play around and suddenly it sounds cool.
So true! Checkout Pianobook or Labs (Google it) for example for great free sampled instruments. Picking the right DAW can really help when you are starting out as a (hobby) producer. If you are into sound design for example Live's stock plugins are a great collection.If you want a bunch of synths to play with Reason might be the better option etc.
No need to hate tho, he has an amazing plugin collection...
Sorry in advance for the long post.
This is the setup of an advanced user: even if Jon says he decided to keep just some of his plugins, I'd never expect them to be the bare minimum to make music (actually, I expected him to have more of them).
Beginners should keep in mind that a setup like this is the result of years; everybody starts out with a cheaper and way more streamlined setup (and often they have less the minimum required) and then things are added/replaced over time, while growing up as musicians. Jon started with an home studio (and from time to time he shows the photo in his videos) and I'm sure he had less tools than now...
The "you need xyz to make music" argument is something I don't agree (or I rather agree up to a certain point).
When starting out, you don't need a lot of tools (actually, having a lot of tools is counterproductive), you need to learn the basics (learning the technology, learning how things work, developing you listening skills and so on) and really master them. Then, little by little, you may want to get some tools to get specific results or to work more quickly than with your daw standard tools. When a musician says "you need xyz", it's rarely a "need" like in "you need electric power for the fridge to work".
Lets' say for example that you want to make a track with that cliché M1 house piano or organ: you may make music with something similar (because those are not the only piano/organ sounds you may use for house music, virtually every sampler/rompler has something in the ballpark) and get a great result and even have success, but you may also decide to buy the M1 plugin and use those exact sounds (so you "absolutely need the plugin" :P.)
Anyway, in many interviews people tell they used whatever they had at their disposal, especially at the beginning of their career, so...
To someone just starting out, I would strongly recommend to build their collection of tools over time with patience as they grow as musicians. Which is what almost everybody does, anyway.
Also, nowadays daws include more and more content, so you don't need as much as many third party plugin as in the past. Those who started making music earlier probably already bought those third party plugins and will continue to use them because they are used to them and they know them inside out, but some of the included stuff nowadays is incredible and could probably replace some of them.
Some plugins are a sort of "industry standard", a safe and reliable recipe to get some results. At a certain point of your journey, you may want to look into them and see if they are good for you too. You sort of "need them to make music" but you don't actually need all of them: gear choices are up to you and your own taste, which is something you develop with time. For example, some of Jon's choices of gear would leave me rather cold, even those which are "industry standard", while a lot of people make magic with them. It's a personal choice.
Anyway, I think it's important to know what's the deal with those so called "industry standards", why they are widespread, what's their strength, why people appreciate them and so on (and you can do that by reading reviews, watching videos and so on... at least up to a certain degree), then you can replicate some of the concepts/ideas with different tools (maybe freeware plugins or the content included with your daw). For example, years ago I read about recursive envelope modulation (using the envelope to modulate the parameters of the same envelope) in a Virus manual: I never had a Virus (which is arguably an "industry standard" synth), but I applied the idea to other synths (I remember trying that with Thor in Reason 4).
Also, when watching the studio of a professional musician (but also an hobbyist studio - because some setups are actually impressive) I think we shouldn't watch it with the idea of making a shopping list (that's a big temptation, especially for beginners, and it's also a very big mistake!), but rather to understand how a certain piece of equipment (hardware or software) contributes to the final result or improves the workflow. It's also a way to get a different perspective on your own setup and maybe improve it.
For example, speaking of Jon's setup I expected to see Diva (and it was there, of course!), while Synplant or XO or the lack of certain brands like PA and Sonnox were surprises for me.
Anyway, in my opinion the biggest giveaway of this video is about choosing your tools and avoiding duplicates (ie: those short moment when he speaks about delays or comparing different limiters) in order to avoid getting stuck because of too many options while making music. You need to keep the focus on what you're doing (ie: making music).
It's not even a question of spending a lot of money on a setup, because you may quickly end in this situation by taking advantage of various promotions (I know first hand, because I bought some plugins for stupidly cheap while there was a discounted sale - or if they were on the cover disc of magazines - but then they ended up unused most of the time) or downloading freeware (I've been there too, before starting buying things... those who have been around for a longer time may remember the freeware plugins from 2000-2010, before the shift from 32bit to 64 bit, and the tons of SynthEdit powered freeware).
Instead of deleting the unused plugin, I keep a main list in Cubase for each category (let's say delay, dynamics, eq, modulation, reverb, etc) and a subfolder with all the paid plugins that I never ever use (but I keep them for those moments when I'm stuck and I want to try something different). This way I try to avoid getting blinded by too many choices. If I was on Logic instead of Cubase, I would just disable/delete most of them (as far as I know, there's no way to sort the plugins in a custom way within Logic) in order to reduce the clutter.
Anyway, my problem is writing good songs, which no amount of gear can fix! :P I should spend less time looking at new tools and more time making music (I was more productive when I started out about 20 years ago...)
I'd be too worried that my existing projects wouldn't work anymore 😂
Yeah, that’s my fear too
I’m not completely sure but I think that would only be a problem with midi stems you’d probs have to convert it to audio to save old stuff
Yeah me too
If your daw has favorite folders or something, what I do is just favorite the ones I currently use and I leave the others that were used in previous projects installed, so that I can still open those projects, but won't use them again in new projects.
Me too ... but its a good habit to stem it all to wav. That way even in 10 years on - you still have the sounds working
I just want to say thank you! I respect your daily grind and I always love to view your new video everyday. Also a huge shoutout to you for making your sample pack accessible to so many people. I'm sure that I am not the only one who thinks this. Thank you!
I just finished producing my last 4 albums. I used only FL Stock, Native, Arturia. I realized that EQ matters the most
80-90% of everything
Yeah, I don’t even wanna know what you had before removing 90% lol
Imagine a cooking channel with a chef doing one vidéo a day for years and never talking / showing receipies but only talking about wich knife he uses, what oven, must be interesting ;)
bit off more than he could chew with the daily vids. quantity over quality
Still more plugins than most of the other producers LOL
u-he is a very nice company, love their synths
Wait, I thought you deleted your plugins!?! 😄
Danke für den Input übrigens. Hab soeben auch alles gelöscht. Man arbeitet kreativer und auch produktiver und schneller wenn man wenige Sachen sehr gut beherrscht und alles aus ihnen rausholen kann, als wenn man sich andauernd in ein neues Instrument einarbeitet.
Ich mach selber schon seit 13 Jahren Musik und bin immer auf das nächste Level gekommen, wenn ich mich auf neues und WENIGES konzentriert habe.
Abgesehen davon ist Field Recording mit das unterschätzteste Gebiet überhaupt. Kein Plugin bekommt Percussions hin wie ein paar verrostete Müllcontainer, die man mit einem Plastikdildo verprügelt.
i use 2 synth plugins and about 5 effect plugins and they are all i really need. You definetly dont "need" all these expensive plugins. If you really take the time the stock plugins are often times already enough to make very good music
Well said. Look at this simple example: he opened up SynthPlant and said “I don’t know how it works, I guess you plant things”. This just proves that people buy plugins for their presets and how quickly they get results. So in the end, pretty much any stock plugin can achieve what you want as long as you put in the time. Once you add distortion, phaser, tremolo, another distortion, auto filter to a sine wave, you already don’t have a sine wave. Just gotta be creative and know your tools
This track at the end of the video sounds amazing. I really need this and "Watch Me Burn". Please release this ASAP. I WILL BUY THEM.
Well, this is a looooot more than just the essentials, if you just have serum and the plugins of your daw (especially those of ableton), you really are good to go (for most electronic music at least, maybe kontakt for your "real instrument" needs and an ozone for mastering maybe if you are really fancy). This collection is just plain abundance.
Facts... I'd add omni sphere to this list.... Because it's presets would cover a wide spectrum of synthetic stuff
Kontakt is a real combine but very expensive.
The alternative is TAL-Sampler also powerful with great matrix modulation and it is modeled on old-school hardware samplers from the 80's and 90's which is also its advantage.
Woah, that’s a lot! Are you sure you actually deleted anything?
Another great video and advice. It's so easy to just keep adding plugins, and like you said, then there's too many choices that wastes your time. Thanks!
This is waaaaayyy too many plugins to be essential lol. I have around 40 and would say use 30 tops for bass house and big room, couldnt see myself getting anymore!
Less is more...sich lieber auf die einzelne konzentrieren und sie richtig lernen ist das was mich am meisten nach vorne gebracht hat
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Good God, that's still a ton of overlap. But I understand, and this video is actually raid useful. Thanks! You don't seem to have Black Box HG-2 (and now HG-2MS). I know your know about it/them because one of your studio tours showed it and talked about it. It's just amazing. The hardware is sightly better, but even the plugin is just plain useful. I also love MuVerb;I use it a lot for some reason. Also, you don't have vital?
I know I need to do the same. So many, too many plugins purchased at discount price, holiday, etc. But just using may be 20% of everything!
Thank you for showing some new unknown stuff. Would be nice if you can show some sound excamples of these plugins.
My go to virtual instruments also include Sylenth, Hive, Dune 3, Zebra, Nexus, Kontakt, Spire, Icarus, Electra2, Nemesis, Avenger, Synthmaster, and others. I just ordered Omnisphere 2.6. I like having a large sonic palette.
Easy Jon. Did you know you can organise where your plug-ins show up in logic? For example you can put your favourite compressor under the compressor sub menu
I just recently let go of all my waves plugins I just could not handle the update plan anymore and I don’t miss them one bit!
Yeah they are shit
I find that quite annoying to I made a complaint to them.
Ditto, their licensing and version control sucks. Mind you I do really like their Abbey road mastering plugin, the rest I can easily live without. Plus when do they not have a $29 sale on?
thanks for sharing that, ive been contemplating the same after they start charging with that update plan and will prob get rid to them as well. They're fair enough for beginners but mehh
I recommend you check out the SSL Native Collection. It's expensive but its very top shelf good, released by Solid State Logic who are infamous for their Analogue console desks. They sound amazing and the modern look is very sleek. Quality.
Ich habe mir gestern noch den NEXUS 3 geholt... Auch so eine eierlegende Wollmilchsau, aber gerade bei der hohen Anzahl an Presets, auch aus dem Bereich EDM, ein ganz gutes Schnäppchen !
I deleted almost all of my plugins... I left only with 1 billion essentials.
If you´re not gonna use these plugins anymore, giveaway the licenses
hope you backed up the installers before the purge
Cool! I have all those plugins (almost) and I love em too! Imma check out that effectrix it's the first time i've heard it so that's awesome to learn.. 😂
I can identify Jon!! I’m in the same headspace right now! Too much music to make!!! Great content! Thanks!
Currently making a hip hop beat with only your new pack
What did u get rid of? I wanna know what u DIDNT find useful after trying it
Keep in mind: Droplets FX (bundle) is only available for MacOS
you cannot produce modern music without Kontakt, i believe you are not specifically targeting EDM, or you?
Kontakt is not a mandatory tool/plugin for EDM. i dont use it. but thats just me (may be)
Along with many of the mentioned plugins I would not delete Sylenth/Spire, UVI workstation/SampleTank4 w legacy expansions, Waves Vocal Rider & RVox and Kickstart by Nicky Romeo... Thanks for listing your essentials!
Just use the free plugin vital for synths and use the stock daw plugins
I had a 100 billion plugins...I only kept 100 million.
Thanks
Turn the chorus on on your real M1 and do it on the plugin... the difference is not tiny. But for the most part the plugin is very good.
Would any of your old sessions be affected by the plug-in purge? Just curious!
I did the same. I upgraded my FL Studio license to All Plugins, and I am only going to stick to FL Studio stock plugins.
I am not even a professional beatmaker, so it is pointless for me to continue spending thousands of dollars buying plugins.
imma need you to start making some music my dude!
I do every day
its the unbox channel it never was about making music 😂 its almost just gear and build his studio.
@@Jonsine Heard! Then let me come correct can you please share more clips of those moments in your vlogs with us please and thank you I should state I do love the content as is btw !!!!!
@@oli2000k I know my guy see below as i take out the mop and attempt to clean this up 😭
I do whenever I can but I sometimes work on remixes or vocals I can’t share.
Yes. 99% of people would be just fine with standard plugins of eg ableton. Logic I don’t know. But probably same
Mr. Sine... am I seeing some cables behind you, hanging from the racks?? hmmm... you naughty boy! XD
Kick 2 ist hammer. Arturia collection 8 hab ich auch, klick mich da gern durch die gut 12000 presets 😂. NI komplete Producer coll. hab ich mir am black Friday gegönnt. Diva macht auch Spaß. Sylenth 1 nutz ich auch sehr oft. Mal schauen was ich noch so sammeln kann.
to many superlatives.... i also use a lot of theses tools but in fact i switched to hardware and only use some vsts for filling the gaps
Welcome to the world of old, Where what you have you make it work...
Sort of surprised to see no FabFilter or a major multiband compressor
diesen synpplant sound den du da gemacht hast, erinnert mich irgendwie total an diese wirklich oldschool-techno sachen.... absolut geil... schade, dass der ca 100euro kostet..
I use a Moog for kicks (Minitaur). it mops the floor with kick2... :)
I Deleted all my Plugins... so I could buy more gear!
Funny this video popped up right when I was musing upon this-- I'm feeling it too, at least on the processing side.
Why did you skip over Gullfoss EQ... I wanted to hear your opinion !
I once deleted all my plug-ins too. I had an decent excuse though my hard drive failed.
Interested to know what angle your new desk is at. Are you able to see your Bettermaker Limiter screen without any issues? Thx.
I think it’s 45. yes i see everything a lot better than before.
I pretty much agree with everything in this list. A few I don't have though!
Why not give it to me !!!
How did you delete them, what did you use? Could you show the process?
Just unchecked them in the logic plugin manager
No Sylenth?
I am surprised too...by far my best analog-type synth
I think this guy just likes to flex his gear. Thats all this channel is
True for real.
100%
7:50 Vital is better than serum anyway
it's basically every major plugin
my essential plugins are ableton stock ones and diva
Ableton stock ones are very nice
@@headinclouds9288 absolutely!
Diva is one of the best soft synths ever.
@@michaelperez5273 yessiiiir!
1 or 2 delays?? I've got like 10 reverb plugins... One for drums, one for vocals, one for synths, one for instruments... Ect... Got analog delay plugins, digital ect.... Also still don't own omnisphere or kontakt yet lmfao... Those libraries are killer
I have kontakt. It isn't that great. The pianos are nice, though.
@@Skrenja I feel the same, worth it for orchestral scoring, but more and more companies do not use kontakt anymore and opt to use their own proprietary software.
You should try opx II its incredible for retro analog
Hey Jon ,, FYI,, just upgraded from my eve monitor s ,,like yours. To ATC ... the eves were cool for mastering.. butttttt,, I have to tell you the ATC Ssmoke them... check em out.. they are on another level..
Already ordered. Just waiting for delivery
FabFilter & Plugin Alliance ??
👀👀 Fab filter particularly Pro EQ3, Saturn and multiband comp
He still had the FabFilter folder, so I guess he didn't get rid of those.
He deleted most of it and still has two times more plugins than me 😀
no fab filters?
I so need to do this !
no Fabfilter?
Let me make a few points, and i mean it in positive/no hate mode:
1. Unchecking plugins in Logic Pro plugin manager doesn't mean the same as deleting a plugin from a laptop/pc, which is exactly what you did (one user posted a question on how did you delete them in the comments bellow, and that was your answer - unchecking them in Logic plugin manager), so the video title is a clickbait.
2. Omnisphere is indeed one of the top VSTi' plugins (Trilian also), but to claim that is impossible to make "modern music" (whatever that means) without it is a giant overstatement.
3. In some comments i see a Waves diss. I agree that their update plan is pure moneygrab, also they have stupid licensing scheme where you can use their plugins in only one PC/laptop (you can put the licences on a usb stick and move them one pc to another, but it is really not ideal solution). BUT, you can use them for years without upgrading to the latest version.
4. Many hit records are made without these "must have" plugins, even the entire albums (a big part of Justice debut album "Cross" was produced in Garage Band), Sweet Dreams by Eurythmics was done on a 8 track recorder, and so on.The main point is that (quote from one producer) - "musical talent rules above quality/quantity of gear any day of the week. No ifs. No buts. "
All that said, i like some of your videos where you are grounded and real, but this one is one of those that almost makes me to unsubscribe from your channel (i know, i know, i won't be missed if i do that).
Cheers
i deleted all my plugins yet i still have them lol
Rest in peace Sylenth1🗿
Fabfilter or DMG + stock reaper are the fx you will ever need for 90% of the time. Synths are inspiration. You can have many and still won't get distracted.
10:20 also check the "IK multimedia"
You want to know the goods, your missing TC Electronics, newb crysonic, reverb by Oxford. SSL bundle. Kilohearts.
I would make plug in folders be much easier to find your plug ins can do in logic audio library press the plus button will make a folder name it like compressor and drag all your favourite compressor plug in into it
I know never had the time. I will one day
I just organized mine. Put all the compressors in the compressors folder etc. Way easier.
the guy was crazy !! nothing more to destroy in this room? right now, it's time to destroy programs inside and remove plugins !! really sick man! tomorrow there will be a video of how to destroy your computer! in a week there will be a video of how to destroy the building! in a month there will be a video how to build a new studio ..... how do you look at all this? what are you interested in in this channel? this person is sick!
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Please stop saying that you can't make music without certain plug-ins. Like you know better, why are you trash talking. I'm not hating but saying that you can't make modern music without Kontakt is just weird to hear from someone so experienced as you.
No fabfilter stuff? I’m surprised!
Got only the l2
you should try the brainworx stuff it's really good
the only words i hear the hole video..."MUST HAVE..." 😂😂😂
my first ever vst plugin was Sylenth 1, i bought it 2008 and i still use it in every single production. And yes, i have it all.... oh no, found some new plugins in this video they are "MUST HAVE..." 😂😂
Less is more but what about when you want to go to an old project and it has those plugins in them. They wouldnt open.
Edit: If you reorganise them instead of deleting them you can have a whole section of ones you use and pit the ones you dont in another section. I dont know if you can do that in logic but in ableton and FL you can have a favourites section and in FL you can actually reorganise the entire directory into folders in the DAW directory.
Jon Sine, you still have more plugins than me lol. I’m guessing you deleted all your waves plugins that clip audio above -18dB. You must have had some seriously unnecessary plugins because you now have the everyday producer plugins
For me still to much
synths
kilochartz phase plant
sytrus image line
harmor image line
vps avenger vengance sound
samplers kontakt 6
mastering ozone 9 standard
clipping standard clip
effects stock fx plugins
AND YOUR DANE !
😁😁😂😂 HE DELETE ALL !!!! YOU RIGHT
I have an iLok. Transfer them over to me. Actually I have UAD Ultimate 9 practically plus lots of other UAD plugs and Waves Mercury. But I have not updated my Waves Update plan in a while. I have Apollo X conversion so it makes sense to stick with UAD software. People differ on if the whole DSP locked in thing is worth it. But I would hope everyone can agree that UAD plug ins sound at minimal as good or if not better than comparable. Do not complain about the UAD prices either because when on sale they are often cheaper than native plug ins which seldom go on sale. I am not even close to being a UA fanboy either. I understand that people buy sample packs but there is no reason with todays soft synths a person can can not be creative and develop their own sound. I have my analog synth and drum collection but it is expensive and not within everyone's budget.
An essentials list with Massive on it in 2021 feels questionable.
Only pro producers will notice the disappointing lack of Sausage Fattener /Kappa
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Geil, ich hab genau hingehört und dachte mir so "Du hörst dich an wie ein deutscher Israeli oder sowas"
Haha Volltreffer
He deleted span
No but I thought it’s to boring to show
LOOL
Logic's multimeter is good enough.
Forget what John said, go buy traktor komplete 😂😂😂👍
I'm about to do the same thing lol
I will keep
Serum for bass leads
Pigments for ambient pad leads
Valhalla vintage verb
Pro q 3
Nectar3
Contakt pianos
Splice for samples 😂😂😂
No Waves stuff. I am surprised jon...
I hate that stuff
@@Jonsine why? Just because of the updateplan or the sound?
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