I'm glad she's finally getting a good light. Although I do still wish that she has an Ignore Interruption whenever she uses her E, but that's just wishful thinking
@@davidloya4691 For sure. I still love using her, I was just mentioning her main flaw other than the autotargeting torches thing which isn't limited to her. She's still a great unit.
All non-meele chars have ow base HP and base DEF. she has higher than normal due to 5*s having higher base stats but she's not usually on-field anyway. I'd just look for a sheilder. imo her squishyness is fine
I’ve had her since she first came out and she’s genuinely one of my favorite characters and i’m happy she’s finally getting the recognition she deserves
I've been using Miko on and off since she was released and still don't understand why people have the complaints they do. She isn't a god tier unit but she's really good. As far as how long she takes at least the most logical rotation is Miko, other units then Miko burst and reset up. As for the totems refreshing kokomi's jellyfish and oz don't nuke the enemies, the totems do. That's the difference
yae actually doesn't have any (serious) problems. the real issue, as was the case for kazuha, yelan, etc is that people will make a statement to the affect of "idk why you'd want them given the current roster" which is true, and people extrapolate it into "this character has major issues/is useless/etc" yae is fine, people were just upset she wasn't completely changing the meta by nuking more than raiden or applying more electro than fischl or any number of other things
I agree, it's very odd how people insist EEEQEEE is the rotation she should use considering you should have already had her totems up before switching in for burst. There are far more logical ways to use her.
For a 5* unit that is outshined by a 4* and has problems built into her kit that can only be solved by spending money, we aren't taking 3 or 4 dollars we're talking hundreds. But why would people be complaining? Like wtf I'd be more concerned if they weren't complaining considering the amount of money involved.
@@silverYolo im sorry what? Yae didnt change the meta the video sums up exactly how most people felt she was overhyped for various reasons and fell mostly flat cause of all the minor problems that compounded with what you said why use her when there are better options. I'm not a min maxer but that nuking more than raiden yeah no i call bs on that and her and fischl is about even though fischl is way easier to get so its more in her favor in the fact that her cons turn oz into a machine gun with auto attacks. She is "GOOD" but not meta changing a side grade like most characters or sadly downgrade(too much effort to get similar results as older characters and sadly 4*'s at that) since inuzama's launch.
I never had any problems with Yae Miko from the first start Then I realized because I am a Lisa main Since I am used to overcoming Lisa's limitations, Yae Miko even felt as an improvement. Never regretted pulling for her.
Pulled her on her first banner and never stopped using her, now I have her triple crowned and c2, I love how she works with Nahida, you just drop their skills and everything dies
There's one thing people seem not to understand with Yae's rotation. It's meant to be a 2 phase rotation. Phase one is 3E. Phase 2 is Q 3E. You're supposed to use a 15 second, 2 phase rotation for maximum output, with Yae being step 3 for Phase 1, and step 1 for Phase 2 for maximum uptime. SIDENOTE: Holy fucking lucky I just won 50/50 twice on the Yae banner. I got her C1.
Yep, because her E doesn't snapshot anyway you can set up other supports before her burst (which does snapshot) which leads to a much smoother rotation than simply EEEQEEE that everyone loves to complain about. It also helps that her burst already extends rotations in the first place so may as well just delay using it until the end of the team rotation.
This is pretty much how I've interpreted her playstyle as well. It just seemed unreasonable to use her burst without getting the damage off turrets first, much like how many people use Kokomi's burst to keep jellyfish up 100% of the time. This mechanic I've found synergies with Tighnari really well as you can switch between the two and complete full rotations with max damage output. But again, I do wish she had i-frames on her e skill as it really feels like she should be able to dodge, and Hoyo falsely sold her as a great dodger in her demo.
@@Seelenya 100% this. I've found that Tighnari, Yae, and Sucrose can be as strong as Bennett, Xingqiu, and Xiangling. The team I used was the template above with Zhongli as the flex, using the following rotation: Zhongli - hE Yae - 3E Sucrose - E Tighnari - E Q 3C Yae - Q 3E Sucrose Q Zhongli Q repeat It was enough to clear this current Spiral Abyss at 36 stars, with my 2x Anemo Taser team on the other half.
@@LuddyFish_ For her skill, I think it was meant for repositioning than straight up dodging. I mean it was at the hype for most healers so I assume they wanted her to be used with Kokomi and both have suspiciously similar playstyles that favors the electro-charged craze. Kokomi also pushes herself away from the enemies so maybe? Maybe not. Do I exist? Or am I a fragment of your imagination? OoOoOoOo
On one hand, like you said her normal and charged attack animations are absolutely too slow for high tier DPS viability but...the animations are so beautiful and graceful that I can't help looking for excuses to wave around her gohei and stylishly exorcise her enemies. (And yes I have absolutely paired her with Yun Jin and Zhongli to buff her normal attacks. I don't think I need to say whether that build was meta or not, but it was entertaining.)
I got Miko on accident with a random 10 pull and never really did much with her until just recently when I got Nahida. Though, after coming to the important realization that Miko + Nahida hits like an 18-wheeler with spikes on the front, she's now one of my most useful units.
Hu Tao can actually dash through small enemies and things like the mirror maiden's prison skill. So her dash does have a special use. Personally I think Miko's skill should be a little bit faster between casts. There's a little too long of a delay between one dash finishing and you being able to start the next dash.
There was a rumour running around after miko’s release that her design suffered substantial changes mid or late into development to fit future dendro teams. I don’t know how much of that is true but it would explain why she has all those features for the sake of having features like constantly disappearing totems. The talent that gives back totems after burst feels more like a part of her burst and her EM scaling was useless until dendro came 6 months later. Because of all this she offered pure skill and burst damage with internal conditions to play around. Her high burst cost could be compensated by her “partner” Raiden and her high burst cd had a synergy with the said Raiden at c6. All this made her feel incomplete, clunky, and ultimately mediocre. So tight release schedule with mid development reworks at least kind of explains a lot.
I think she has the EM buff to her elemental skill because they knew Dendro was coming, yes. But the rest of it, I don't think was impacted by it. I think, instead, that the split between burst and elemental skill damage wasn't what the common player was looking for. You look at Yae, and you expect the turrets to be the main focus. And the constellations kind of push that narrative, with three of the four being tied to her elemental skill. The problem, though, is that the C0 damage on her turrets is pretty meh. And when you combine that with her wanting more on-field time to place those turrets, she felt lackluster to most people. And so, in terms of meta, you mostly saw her used for her burst. Also, didn't help that her normals lack range and are kind of slow, so she doesn't feel good on field. So, basically, her design didn't meet people's expectations.
Yae is also more of a comfy pick to me when feeling extra lazy, in the otherworlds and especially against flying enemies you don't have to aim, just place the totems.
Yae's playstyle as a dps is fun in a sense that she can play a comp that not one character will take a long time on-field (i.e., you have to continuously cycle through characters in short intervals). The continuous rotation however will eventually strain you unless you really want to execute her unique dps gameplay.
Well I dont do E x3 > Burst > E x3 in one go for Yae usually. Normally I do E x3 > cycle my other 3 supports > Burst > E x3. That allows her initial 3 casts of her E to give some damage value and not only be just to allow burst and her burst will be stronger right after supports are cycled giving a higher overall output. Yae Miko feels a lot less clunky treating her this way with burst near the end of her totem duration instead of right away. This does take practice to pull off so you burst with all 3 totems up.
Yeah the EEE Q EEE argument is really bad. ;-; If you're doing that until now its just skill issue. Another thing is she doesn't snapshot, so while you're using your supports yae miko's turrets are technically getting buffed, then you'll drop the burst while yae is buffed.
exactly, that specific argument annoys me because her totems have a long enough duration that you can go through your rotation and then return to her, burst and then refresh her totems and swap off. There's no real need to EEEQEEE every time lol
Word up. Never understood the need to instantly use burst when nearly timing out the totems and switching to other party members gives more damage value.
Yea, important even in so far as putting her in your slot 1 to drop 3 turrets and swap off, so when she comes back to burst she's got Widsith primed and ready (assuming you don't have good 5 star weapons ; ; .. )
Yae Miko + Nahida + Albedo + (I used Sayu as a vv debuffer and healer) is ridiculously powerful and relatively passive, you set all the things and just watch your enemies zapped and blossomed into oblivion. I beat several floors of spiral abyss a while back with this team and I didn't even feel like I was trying.
No one knows how to play yae miko and that's the problem... she's not supposed to be played : eee q eee, but to eee, use the bursts of everyone else and then come back to yae miko, q eee and then there is no problem with "long switch times" or her "Long time on the field"....
Yae is directly based on the one Kyuubi/Nine Tails herself, Tamamo-no-Mae, one of the 3 greatest Yokai of Japan. Tamamo originated from China, supposedly the spirit of an evil fox who disguised herself as an empress and escaped to Japan after being discovered, interestingly this exact mythical being is referenced by Yelan as the Hulijing, Fox Spirit. This Fox Spirit is known in myth and common culture as a "manipulative shapeshifting fox in the form of a woman", used to describe evil women in power either politically or in modern times women who seduces and steals men from their partners. You can see this being expressed with Yelan's skillsets as a secret agent to gather info and Yae's extremely manipulative personality to manage her business and get people to perform shrine duties. Luckily both character's manipulations are for the greater good. Yae also has a direct reference to Tamamo with the name of her skill Sesshou Sakura, based on the Sesshou Seki, Killing Stone. Sesshou means kill/murder, the Killing Stone is the form Tamamo took after her "death", it's supposedly a stone that will kill anyone on touch, as a form of protection for her and an expression of her evil. Sesshou Sakura means Killing Cherry Blossom, it expresses Yae's psychopathic tendencies, which is also shown with her idle animation where she kills a bird with the Sesshou Sakura and laughs, contrasting Raiden's animation where she carefully allows a bird to perch on her hand. Yae looks like a nice person but is actually sociopathic and manipulative, while Raiden looks scary, she is actually nice. Because Yae actually enjoys killing, she prefers to inflict pain slowly with the least amount of effort on her own and sadistically watch her victims suffer, as shown in her PV trailer. This is reflected in how her skill works, she places 3 Sesshou Sakura who does the job for her while she dances around her victims. Her burst also shows her sadistic smile while she ends her playthings. EDIT: Also one last thing, Yae only has 5 tails because she is 500 years old, the Fox Spirits are said to grow a tail every 100 years, Kyuubi has 9 tails because she was 900 years old.
Honestly I would've pulled her based on her personality alone (and the whole kitsune thing, plus she knows things, being relatively older) but I never had the primos for her. If I do have primos when she comes next time, I might get her, but I just spent all my primos on Yoimiya and Nahida and i love them
Yeah.. I got her the other day, was waiting for her since the first banner because she skipped me hard, got double Yae on the same 10 pull.. idk if is because of the C1 but i feel her sooooo strong!! I'm loving her so far, I really wanted her to use her with Eula BUT I couldn't resist to use her a main DPS, she saved my 36* record!! (8 cycles and counting 7u7)
As a C6 Yae main my concerns are quite similar to the video; 1. Her C1 should've been something else and lower her energy cost/increase her own ability to generate particles. Hoyo intentionally created a 90 energy problem to sell you this con, which is egregious imo. 2. Her E skill is not that much of a deal once you figure out how to maneuver, although there are no s, you can still do some fun dodging with it. 3. Comparing Yae C0 to Fischl C6 isn't exactly a "fair" comparison, as to get a specific 4 star to C6 you need 234 rolls on average (this is ignoring star glitter exchanges and event welfares), which is about C1 5 star on average (based on the average of 105 pulls per featured 5 star character). Again, these are average numbers, your mileage will vary. I'm enjoying her more than ever thanks to Dendro reactions. She isn't meta defining, but will always have a spot in my teams as I love using her.
To be fair about the C0 5-star vs C6 4-star question, while that may be somewhat fair to apply to standard banner 5-stars, a limited 5-star like Miko is a very deliberate and calculated expenditure for a low-spending player. While it may be a similar number of total pulls in theory, often unless you REALLY like the character or the constellation is that insane a player will just stop at C0. By contrast all 4-stars are in the standard pool and can very much just show up regardless.
It is completely fair to compare a C0 5* to a C6 4*. Most people don't aim to get cons on 5* characters (You can get 9 4* characters with the same rolls that it would take to get 1 5*) and (F2P mostly) unless you're lucky, you'll end up with a ton of C6 4* and no C1+ 5*, like me.
Thanks to idiots who were 1st to declare that EEE Q EEE is her actual rotation she got that "takes a lot of time" lable. Only after a while people realised that doing EEE into Q EEE is as stupid as pressing both E and Q on Fishl at the same time. I see you seem to think that it is her "correct" rotation too. Well, no. You EEE first, then cycle through your team attacks/buffs, then come back and Ult. And if you messed up and turrets disappeared just dont use Q in this rotation. And boom! Turns out She takes up nearly as much time as Xingqiu or Rosaria or Diona you name it.
Been a miko main since she came home on my first pull during her first banner. While I don't think she's a perfect character by any means, I have always found her issues to be way overblown. Miko has always been a character that has required a few more braincells to operate than otherr off field characters, and thats what makes her so fun to play. Her low defense and lack of I-frames on her E means that (if your playing without shields like I do) you need to be a lot more careful with your positioning and movement. I actually use her E to dodge all the time, because most enemies have such a long windup that getting out of the way and repositioning myself isn't that hard. It just took practice. The other non issue I see with her is that she doesn't play super well with traditional comps/supports, meaning you need to get a bit more creative with her team building. I run her in a comp of Sayu, Sara, Yae, Ayato. This comp works really well against groups of enemies, but less so bosses, but I can still throw her into a team with Kaz and make her work. The one thing that Yae does better than anyone else is consistent pressure. Between her, Sara's buffing, and Sayu's swirl, most groups of enemies are dead by the time Ayato comes out to use his E. The rotation is really smooth and loops into itself really well. I start by putting out Yae's turrets > then Sara buff Ayato to snapshot his ult > Sara buff Sayu's ult for big swirl damage > Sara ult (nobless) > reset Yae's turrets, catching Sara's buff in the mean time > Sara buff Ayato, because his E and Sara's buff have the same duration > Yae ult, catching the tail end of the Nobless buff if played correctly > rinse and repeat. Ayato's second Sara buff offers some extra flexibility if needed, because she has an extra buff loaded on her charged shot which I can give to Yae if the nobless buff falls off. Yae begins and ends my rotation, which makes her ult consumption of her turrets another non issue for me. She has 100% uptime on her turrets, which hit for 10k without buffs on my build, and has such strong electro application that Sayu's swirls shred enemies within the field of death. Since this is a taser team where Ayato is off field most of the time, I don't have to build any ER on him meaning he is absolutely cracked to the gills with crit, and he bursts on cool down. Yae is a character you have to build to her strengths which means potentially building her with unconventional supports to make her work. She was never a bad character, she just requires a few more braincells than most genshin players are used to/willing to put in.
6:34 RedFlaim also made a really good video breaking down Miko's mechanics that highlighted most her issues in a gameplay sense. I just wanted to mention it because I genuinely think it adds commentary on the flows to the flaws of Miko's gameplay.
She just need 2 changes: - Burst should renew and/or extend the duration of the Totems. - Skill should be faster or have s. I would also take leaving the Skill as is if the Burst were to extend the totem duration past the Burst CD to the point where you only need to place the totems once if you can Burst around 5s~ after the CD ends.
Its always great to see the community come up with good ideas which we all know Mihoyo will never implement cause they are too afraid they'll make a good unit. We'll have to live under the chokehold of Bennett, XQ and Xiangling for the foreseeable future.
As someone else said, the change to her burst would hinder the passive on Kagura’s Verity which needs e resets every 15s in order to have 100% uptime and in the long run would mean a loss in dps
I'd like to see them fix her inconsistent E inputs, honestly. Sometimes I can do all three back to back, and sometimes there's a long pause where she can't move regardless of my inputs, so I have to wait a couple seconds to do her next E press. It's really frustrating, and it seems to have gotten worse with subsequent updates.
@@andreiclaudiu1759 nothing that a quick change couldn't solve. Maybe add an effect where the stacks duration is extended by the CD of the Burst? That way it also works with other catalyst users that have shorter burst CD without giving them excessive duration. Could also shorten the normal duration of the stacks to accomodate to that. Like make them las 12s or something.
I don't have her sadly but my take on her skill is that if there was a hold version where she placed all three totems in the typical triangular formation at once, it would at least shave a second or two off of her field time of having to replace them after her burst eats them up. Alternatively her burst could simply not remove them and instead refresh the duration as opposed to her having to replace each one resulting in a lost of DPS.
Refreshing the duration wouldn't work with her weapon. And a hold would be a bit of a drawback, much of the time, as she'd be in one place for the entire hold duration. Her zipping around while placing her turrets is what lets her avoid getting smacked quite a bit. Remove that and, well, low hp, low poise, low defense character... Honestly, I don't think the problem is the time she spends on field, but rather, the benefit of her doing so. The turrets need to hit harder. People don't complain about Hu Tao, Yoimiya, Raiden, Itto, or Eula spending 3x the time on field as Yae to do their thing. Why? Because the numbers are worth it.
What players commonly mistake with Miko 1. "Her Burst is hardlocked with her turrets" mentality. This mentality narrows the players vision, causing them to panic whenever they see Miko's Burst up, ending with them pulling the most stupid rotation for Miko which is Triple Skill - Burst - Triple Skill. When you look at her cons, passives AND scale numbers, her turrets are supposed to be her Main source of Damage and her Bursts is simply additive to it. If you see Miko's Burst ready and you don't have Turrets, just deploy them and switch out, then use her Burst when you feel like the Turrets are almost out, prepared what is needed, or has done enough damage. I know the huge scaling and no ICD is tempting, but don't let it be the main play for her. 2. "Bad at AoE" aspect. Miko is NOT Fischl. Her Turrets have mini AoE but I won't promote that since it's basically non-existent. Her Burst however...... Now THAT is AoE-gasm. I know it may sound opposite to the first point I made, but her Burst is just 😍. This is especially obvious when you add in Dendro Quicken and/or Anemo Gather. The fact her Burst has no ICD means EVERY SINGLE UNIT hit with Quicken WILL aggravate PER lightning. Then add her raw scaling for each strike.... I'm drooling just thinking about it. 3. Her NA/CA attacks are cluncky, but that doesn't really mean her NA doesn't do anything. In fact, it's free AoE Electro. There are situations where you need to apply electro on an area, but you are tight in the rotation or have no available skills to proc AoE electro, so her single NA will basically provide that for you. Note: I'm NOT promoting ON-FIELD Yae. There are so many misconceptions about Yae, but I see these three the most.
As a Yae main, I can say her burst reset is one of her better setups, especially pre c2. Typically I burst her when I need to move the totems (with all the damage being a bonus). So i don’t think it is awkward or needing fixed as you say. I will say dendro aggrevate really redeemed her; nice for my c0 Yae carrying me through abyss runs 😀
I've always been hearing she's good in aggravate, but I don't hear hyperbloom often enough. Like, use gilded dreams set with em sands and atk circlet assuming u have verity or widsith and she deals 20k+ hyperbloom damage and em sands increases her aggravated damage. Y'all don't have to worry about her raw turret damage since a 4pc gilded alone gives you 230 em which increases your turret dmg (80 em from 2pc, 150 from 4pc) Edit: if you guys are interested in quickbloom Yae comp, here's the composition: Kokomi, Sucrose, Dendro Traveler/Nahida, Yae The reason why Sucrose is so good is because she boosts Yae's em by 200+ assuming you have 700-800 em on Sucrose. More em on Yae means more aggravated and hyperbloom damage.
I think it's silly to expect characters to have ridiculously similar kits to the point that they'd be interchangeable. I personally view the vulnerability of her on-field time as an opportunity for skill expression: you can dodge some incoming attacks without burning stamina. I use it all the time again Ruin Guards and whatnot. Just treat the quirk like a perfect counter using Beidou's skill: Sure, you can mess it up, but that possibility is what makes it feel even more rewarding when you do get it right. Considering that clunkiness is a common property among catalyst users, Yae's actually on the more agile end of the scale since her 3 skill charges can also be weaved with some dashes to cover quite a bit of distance.
First of all , how many top dps units feel little clunky at C0 + no Shield ? Hutao - no stamina , Ganyu - long charge shot animation. To be fair the ability to put totems while running away and watching how the mobs die is nice :D , my favorite comp now is Miko(4GD) + Fishel(4DwM) + Nahida(4GD) + Kokomi (Clam) , let call it "E" team.
I rolled her the day she came out. She's pretty, she makes the PP hard, she does big PP damage, I'm good an have been good for 9 months now. The buffs she got with Dendro are just icing on the cake.
She's a solid case of the playerbase had assumptions in their mind, and continually misjudged her based on those first impression assumptions. Like even in this video, a major misconception is trying to place her turrets, then immediately bursting before replacing her turrets. Aka the EEEQEEE playstyle. Of course she'll use up field time if you waste her mechanics like that. You're wasting an entire rotation. If you focus on her skills only, her 14 sec turrets fit neatly in a 15 sec rotation team (think Keqing aggravate for example) and she doesn't take up field time. You can put her burst in easily for 20sec rotations, as long as you prep the field first, and do your team rotation before using her burst (almost like a reverse of how you use Yoimiya). And even if she is using more field time than a button press, she offers stamina free mobility and high damage. And she isn't a Fischl replacement. She's an off field carry. You'd use her with Fischl like you would Keqing. Fischl may have serious A4 damage, but Yae's EM scaling means she abuses Nahida's and Sucrose's buffs. And if you put her on field, she drives Fischl's A4 hard too. She just has a higher learning curve than several other characters. Aside from maybe some animation lag, she isn't a bad character, never was, people just assumed she was.
You could even consider this a smart tactical ploy by mihoyo. The em talent suggests that miko's dendro teams were always part of their long term plan for her. Thus, miko's hype would guarantee her sales for the first banner and her increased utility would boost her rerun sales with the new dendro reactions
If you use eee into q and then eee then you are using Yae Miko very wrong. You should almost never use her combo like that. The proper way to do it is to eee then set up your supports go back to Yae press q and then eee again then repeat. This makes sure your totems have 100% uptime while also adding reaction damage during rotation setup. Also do not bother to try and get her burst up every rotation for a c0 Miko. Just burst every other rotation. Her energy needs are too high to lower her personal damage to meet it. The totems damage is more important.
I never regret pulling for Yae on her first banner. Yes her elemental has problems, it takes a long time to place the turrets but she's still pretty strong, not S tier strong, but still solid A tier. Now with Dendro she's even stronger, though still not S tier but that's fine.
I got Yae when she first came out. I love playing her. She rarely leaves my party. The only time she leaves is when I need to farm for items that change depending on what unit I use. Then she right back in the party with Kazuha.
I see too many people complaining about her taking too much time doing EEE Q EEE... well that's not a good way to play her. Just start the rotation with EEE, than do the other stuff with your other characters (you have 14 seconds), than switch to Yae to do the burst and EEE again, then start the rotation over. It's a short and tight rotation but still works if you know what you're doing
@@zinogrex in fairness they need to upload regular videos to appease the algorithm gods, and Genshin just doesn't have an awful lot of content to discuss. They don't have a lot of choice.
And they need to strike while the iron is hot. So videos on the current five stars on the banner. Though, personally, I think there's a viable niche to exploit for a decent content creator in the four star market. Whenever we get a new five star and four star on the same banner, the new four star always feels neglected.
The problem with her ult refreshing totems is it'll mess with Kagura's Verity passive ability which wants you to spam your skill as much as possible. So the obvious QoL improvement will turn into a loss of damage.
I have c1 hutao, ungga bungga itto, ayato, albedo, childe.u can say she's not meta, clunky , eeeqeee and all. Despite all the critics, she's my favourite character to play in overworld and abyss. I don't have raiden for her battery and don't have zhongli for her squishiness yet I still enjoyed playing without a problems. Because of yae, I pulled kazuha, kokomi and nahida as she deserved and this team is on par with my c1 hutao vape team or even better.
Bold take but as a mage player in most RPGs she reads a lot like an off-field support who needs a shield, complimentary main dps, and a healer to maintain. I’m not shocked people don’t go for that but it does pay well if you prefer that type of gameplay
For me Fischl is too hard to implement into a rotation, her Oz has very very very bad and awkward timing. While with Yae Miko’s totems I really do have to refresh them, slay with an actual ultimate strike, refresh them. It takes me almost zero effort. Gosh, I’m a girl and some people maybe would not expect a girl to simp over a mommy vibes kitsune but I am she’s so cool and pretty and strong too. Still can’t believe some players were so negative about her
If she just had longer turret up-time, generated more particles and had her first constellation change to larger AOE on turret strikes, she would be god tier.
All I wanted from Yae Miko was her dash actually doing some damage on contact It does make the NPC’s shiver when dashed into her It does electrify the water So why not like a little damage If her burst also followed the mobs and a held skill where the CD would’ve been 9 sec and there would be 3 huge thunderbolts that hit the monsters twice (If there are less it’d hit twice still but higher damage)
I think people use her ability cycles wrong. EEE then swap to support characters, have them use their buffs, then swap back to Yae to burst and recast her E, its only if you try EEEQEEE that eats up so much time. Delaying the burst for later lets you strengthen her burst, lay down the support buffs, and makes swapping back to her wiser
Lol I raised her to level 90 on the first i got her, yes I like delusional oz girl but yae miko is a mommy and mommy needs love, and after crowning her E and Q it was big damage as I built her as a Burst Dos instead of support. So I use her in childe taser now nuvelette taser and when childe's E went on cool down I place totems burst and place E again and most of the time boss were already dead before they can rise up again, combining her with sucrose gave me more damage. To meet her energy needs I kept fischl in the team.
there is no off field dps , yae is support if u get her in team just for the E , same with fischl , and if u rlly use field time and normal attacks then they are dps's , either sub or main , depending on field time , fischl with c1 becomes even better in being a dps
ur upload schedule has trained me like the guy with the bell and the dogs, i get off work and i see ur video while i eat my food, now when i hear ur voice i get hungry
Woah, listening to this is a rollercoaster of regret, happiness and finally regret again. Why do I always regret pulling and investing for characters whenever I listen to this kind of reaction vids?😢
The main reason I pulled for Miko is, basically, because I hate playing Fischl. I know it's a rotation error, but playing her feels like Oz lasts for like 5 seconds. They're both strong, and, yes, most of the times Fischl is better. But, to me, the biggest selling point of Yae besides damage is comfort.
People were comparing & bashing Miko at release because Fischl was way easier to use and Miko wasn't a good enough damage upgrade in certain comps despite beong a 5 star and thus very expensive
It's funny how my favorite team right now is Yae Fischl Nahida Kokomi, just use their skills and watch everything die. They also work in abyss and harder events as long as you do the rotation properly.
I used to team her up with Fischl/Beidou for battery, Xingqui and Xiangling/Sucrose. I wasn’t also very particular to chasing meta that is probably the reason I get to enjoy her way back. And finally get to enjoy her more now since Dendro was introduced. I’m also using Widsith with her. Because weapon banner hates me :( She may not be everyone’s cup of tea. And some people may even go the extra mile to hate her. But we can’t ignore the fact that there are players like me who doesn’t chase meta and just play with whatever we find enjoyable. tldr; Chasing meta makes some people go kureyzee
Sametd outlook, pulling for the char. (esp. to those who give ara-ara vibes) be it Candace or Ninguang, kinda been placing in the middle of meta and a casual coz of my pull for Kazu coz electro is my fav. element and some of my char. needed the buff (rip still no c6 Sarah) and skipped Nahida lol, my frens still can't believe it since Dendro buffs Electro, I told them the gameplay and char. is not my type, so I'm here, Yae c2, since there will be a while when they will feature Dehya or at least a rerun Eula
For anyone dead set on main DPS Yae, it's very easy to animation cancel her charged attack by jumping when the bolts are about to release! Helped me out a lot
Not really my point in this long ass comment, but Yae has really good teams outside of dendro, and she was already really good, people just nitpicked on her issues a lot more often. Anyway, I'll try to explain Yae's kit philosophy from what I understand about it. First of all, Yae and Fischl are the only 2 characters in the game who have 2 really strong features together: - Having most of their damage linked to their skill - Their skill attacks not depending on anything aside from range (Nahida and Albedo require you to do reactions/dmg to the enemies) Basically, for the first point, Yae can be used bursting every other rotation, which makes her ER requirements NOT important (you shouldn't build ER on Yae) and Fischl, while she wants to burst everytime her skill is down to refresh Oz, she just needs to do it every 24s so she doesn't need any ER as well. Characters like Xingqiu, Yelan, Xiangling, Shenhe have really good numbers, but due to their high burst reliance they need to trade dmg substats for ER. The second point is really interesting, as it basically means, whatever the situation is, her totems will always be dealing damage (unless obv electro immunity or whatever) unlike characters like Yelan, Beidou and Thoma, who require you to be constantly attacking in order to maximize their potential. Having an off field dps with no restrictions on her attacks, with no ER requirements, 15s duration on her totems and 100% uptime, while also having a nuke every other rotation is REALLY unique and strong, and that's why I believe they intentionally made her have a higher field time than others (and also to keep the reference to Ahri hehe) obviously this leads to other issues like her dashes not having I-frames and her also being squishy, but that's something we have to play around tbh
I'd been trying to work out a use for my Yae since I pulled her on her initial banner, and now that dendro's out I've been having a great time playing her.
The best way to make Yae insanely great is turret prioritize enemies without electro element, Yae's turret has ICD of 3 sec (the ICD is on enemy btw) so tecnically if she's able to hit 3 of the attack on different enemy you could maximized her Quicken/Aggravate with the help of Nahida. It's pointless if all 3 of the lightning hit the same enemies, yae's turret atm is pretty random most of the time you get 2 hit on the same enemy and another on random one.
I think Lisa and Yae have a lot more in common than most people think. They're both clunky to use as they take too much time onfield even though they're both offield units. They both require big energy cost despite their burst being the essential part of their damage. Both gained buff with Dendro not just because of Aggrevate but also because EM provide them benefits.
I actually think that she is better than shogun for hyperbloom teams as hyperbloom reaction is based on the EM of the triggering character.. and with yae she wants to build a shit ton of EM anyways for her e anyways.
I got Miko by accident when i did an accidental pull but she has been a great part of my tazer team and now dedro teams. I'm happy with her even it was an accident i got her.
When Nahida wasn't released yet, Yae Miko and Tighnari is already a chief's kiss! And with the release of Nahida, she became more enjoyable to play. Her E just fits Nahida's passive plus having 2 Dendro buffs Yae with additional Elemental Mastery. I think, Yae was really made to be paired with Dendro along Kokomi, Kuki, and Thoma!
Most of Yae's problems do still exist. Her field time can definitely be worked around by starting with the triple E and then come back after a short time to drop her Burst and then refresh the skills, to get value out of the first three. However her 22s Cooldown is a death sentence that still strongly holds her back. She's super frontloaded and great for content where you need just one rotation, but otherwise she falls behind her competetion. As for Aggravate, being an off-fielder is not particularly the key. The absolute ridiculous source of Aggravate Teams comes from Fischl's A4, which strikes enemies when Electro reactions are triggered. Which has no ICD and will always Aggravate. However, Miko can be used on field to drive Fischl's Aggravate team as an alternative to Keqing. (Other Electros can do so too actually.) Otherwise she's still a bit of problem child, but if it works, it works.
Tbh I’ve always been a user of miko. I got her on the first banner she showed up on and she became a consistent member of my spiral abyss team with fischl, Kokomi, and kazuha. I’ve been able to circumvent her problems with pure taser damage. She’s also got a pretty name card which is so worth it
I just got her this Friday, try her out on exploration+ abyss,fellin in love, Instantly double crown her (I'm a material hoarder so yeah crowning character is that easy for me)
I think miko could be better tailored as main subdps, lenghten her skill a bit, decrease the power of each individual turret and decrease the time needed for her E to deploy. Super armor would be nice, but not needed. That way, she could finally be better than fischl for the SUB slot
The only buff Miko needs is a 1.5 second duration where she is impervious to damage or intrusion while she is casting her skill. Since she can use her skill 3 times she gets a maximum of 4.5 seconds of pure invincibility. This will make her a viable tank as well as damager.
Yae is my first ever 5 star and suffice to say, even when I did not have Inazuma unlocked then, she carried my team all the way. As well as stay as my best electro sub dps. Although on numerous occasions did I find her long sequence quite staggering, that was just my or the player's mistake of timing. With the right timing(which I've done more than enough to realise) she feels so satisfying and fluid to the point that I felt nervana being able to play that well. I agree with the fact her normal and charged attack animations are too long and very unsatisfying. But with well established teams you don't need her basic attacks so meh. She is awesome and thanks to your video I felt that awesomeness once again.
Comparing Miko to Beidou is like comparing a gun to a long sword respectively. Yae’s sort of the middle ground also when it comes to Genshin’s ranged electro damage dealers nowadays. Would any of you pick Lisa over Yae Miko though?
I use both. I have c6 Lisa, and with Yae together they destroy everything. Lisa fits in perfect too with yae rotations. Just drop totems, use support bursts. Switch in Lisa, burst, hold e, then back to Yae to burst/totem. Its a grand old time. Plus it still works with the old Mona Lisa combo. Yae totems first, then mona burst, hold E lisa, then Yae burst ect.
Yae is a really good unit who occasionally feels bad to play. I'd be way more frustrated with her if I didn't have Nahida and a well-built c6 Fischl. I-frames during totem dashes would make her feel so much better. Her burst refreshing her totems would be borderline broken but I'd still take it if offered.
My favorite and most powerful Yae Miko team right now Fischl Yae Miko Xingqiu Dendro MC (you can use Nahida too I presume I just don't have her) Yae can have some serious personal damage but also having free hyperblooms makes the team OP in single target. You absolutely melt enemies plus Yae Miko on field is really fun I recommended everyone try this team!!
Nahida (deepwood Em build, signature weapon),Zhongli (Noblesse,EB every rotation), Kuki(Guilded dreams EM, Xiphos sword), Yae Miko ( thundering Fury EM build, the widsith weap). This is my favorite comp right now. I wasnt going to pull her even tho I wanted to. I did in the end. Glad I did it. This comp makes me fall out of my chair laughing my ass off while everything dies after the first rotation all on its own without pressing a single extra button.
Pulled her yesterday, couldn´t be happier. I failed to do so on her original release by a couple of pulls. 1 or 2 to be specific. Now I saved up 80 pulls and lost to Mona in a 50/50 (its good that I got Mona at least because I couldn´t handle another diluc). Not wanting to loose again to the banner, I started to go after chests and Electrocolus, upgraded the Sakura Tree and got her on 65th pull. I finally got her and all the work was worth it.
I love everything Kitsune, and she's the reason I got Genshin and thankfully pulled her this Banner. I cant wait to learn and see what I can do with her.
My reason in the past not to pull for her is because her level ascend items were out of reach for me at the time. Till this day I haven't battled the boss for one of the essential materials, which I also need for Shenhe, who is limited to level 40 atm.
I'm glad she's finally getting a good light. Although I do still wish that she has an Ignore Interruption whenever she uses her E, but that's just wishful thinking
Same 😮😮
either that of they should have given her more base def at least! if she get hits once half her hp is gone 💀
Just give her i-frames in the cast
The honkai impact team is cringing at their co-workers
@@FrostyPeppercorn the Genshin team have a small anti fun flair in comparation with the Honkai, Starriel and ZZZ team
Other than the fact that Yae is very squishy and keeps getting knocked out of her skill casts, I love her. She's very fun to play.
one thing i noticed is that she dies wayyyyy faster than anyone else in my teams. she takes alot of dammage
@@stuubz6265 Exactly. She's squishy. I think she has lower base defence.
pair with a character that gives armor
@@davidloya4691 For sure. I still love using her, I was just mentioning her main flaw other than the autotargeting torches thing which isn't limited to her. She's still a great unit.
All non-meele chars have ow base HP and base DEF. she has higher than normal due to 5*s having higher base stats but she's not usually on-field anyway. I'd just look for a sheilder. imo her squishyness is fine
I’ve had her since she first came out and she’s genuinely one of my favorite characters and i’m happy she’s finally getting the recognition she deserves
tea
same..
i lived through the temporary change in her aiming mechanic..
i love her, even then..
same 💜
I've been using Miko on and off since she was released and still don't understand why people have the complaints they do. She isn't a god tier unit but she's really good. As far as how long she takes at least the most logical rotation is Miko, other units then Miko burst and reset up. As for the totems refreshing kokomi's jellyfish and oz don't nuke the enemies, the totems do. That's the difference
yae actually doesn't have any (serious) problems. the real issue, as was the case for kazuha, yelan, etc is that people will make a statement to the affect of "idk why you'd want them given the current roster" which is true, and people extrapolate it into "this character has major issues/is useless/etc"
yae is fine, people were just upset she wasn't completely changing the meta by nuking more than raiden or applying more electro than fischl or any number of other things
I agree, it's very odd how people insist EEEQEEE is the rotation she should use considering you should have already had her totems up before switching in for burst. There are far more logical ways to use her.
For a 5* unit that is outshined by a 4* and has problems built into her kit that can only be solved by spending money, we aren't taking 3 or 4 dollars we're talking hundreds. But why would people be complaining? Like wtf I'd be more concerned if they weren't complaining considering the amount of money involved.
@@silverYolo im sorry what? Yae didnt change the meta the video sums up exactly how most people felt she was overhyped for various reasons and fell mostly flat cause of all the minor problems that compounded with what you said why use her when there are better options. I'm not a min maxer but that nuking more than raiden yeah no i call bs on that and her and fischl is about even though fischl is way easier to get so its more in her favor in the fact that her cons turn oz into a machine gun with auto attacks.
She is "GOOD" but not meta changing a side grade like most characters or sadly downgrade(too much effort to get similar results as older characters and sadly 4*'s at that) since inuzama's launch.
Miko totems refreshing kokomi's jellyfish?
I never had any problems with Yae Miko from the first start
Then I realized because I am a Lisa main
Since I am used to overcoming Lisa's limitations, Yae Miko even felt as an improvement. Never regretted pulling for her.
Miko when you put her with bloom teams… she gets a mini gun for hyperblooms
Pulled her on her first banner and never stopped using her, now I have her triple crowned and c2, I love how she works with Nahida, you just drop their skills and everything dies
Same, got her c2 recently so I can main dps her ❤
There's one thing people seem not to understand with Yae's rotation.
It's meant to be a 2 phase rotation. Phase one is 3E. Phase 2 is Q 3E. You're supposed to use a 15 second, 2 phase rotation for maximum output, with Yae being step 3 for Phase 1, and step 1 for Phase 2 for maximum uptime.
SIDENOTE: Holy fucking lucky I just won 50/50 twice on the Yae banner. I got her C1.
Genshin players in the broader community are not smart, example 1:they harass VAs all the time
Yep, because her E doesn't snapshot anyway you can set up other supports before her burst (which does snapshot) which leads to a much smoother rotation than simply EEEQEEE that everyone loves to complain about. It also helps that her burst already extends rotations in the first place so may as well just delay using it until the end of the team rotation.
This is pretty much how I've interpreted her playstyle as well. It just seemed unreasonable to use her burst without getting the damage off turrets first, much like how many people use Kokomi's burst to keep jellyfish up 100% of the time. This mechanic I've found synergies with Tighnari really well as you can switch between the two and complete full rotations with max damage output.
But again, I do wish she had i-frames on her e skill as it really feels like she should be able to dodge, and Hoyo falsely sold her as a great dodger in her demo.
@@Seelenya 100% this.
I've found that Tighnari, Yae, and Sucrose can be as strong as Bennett, Xingqiu, and Xiangling. The team I used was the template above with Zhongli as the flex, using the following rotation:
Zhongli - hE
Yae - 3E
Sucrose - E
Tighnari - E Q 3C
Yae - Q 3E
Sucrose Q
Zhongli Q
repeat
It was enough to clear this current Spiral Abyss at 36 stars, with my 2x Anemo Taser team on the other half.
@@LuddyFish_ For her skill, I think it was meant for repositioning than straight up dodging. I mean it was at the hype for most healers so I assume they wanted her to be used with Kokomi and both have suspiciously similar playstyles that favors the electro-charged craze. Kokomi also pushes herself away from the enemies so maybe? Maybe not.
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On one hand, like you said her normal and charged attack animations are absolutely too slow for high tier DPS viability but...the animations are so beautiful and graceful that I can't help looking for excuses to wave around her gohei and stylishly exorcise her enemies. (And yes I have absolutely paired her with Yun Jin and Zhongli to buff her normal attacks. I don't think I need to say whether that build was meta or not, but it was entertaining.)
I got Miko on accident with a random 10 pull and never really did much with her until just recently when I got Nahida. Though, after coming to the important realization that Miko + Nahida hits like an 18-wheeler with spikes on the front, she's now one of my most useful units.
I feel like if she had a special dash like Hu Tao (no special use I think just pretty) that would make her feel so different or like Ayaka
Hu Tao can actually dash through small enemies and things like the mirror maiden's prison skill. So her dash does have a special use.
Personally I think Miko's skill should be a little bit faster between casts. There's a little too long of a delay between one dash finishing and you being able to start the next dash.
@@Runegrem miko can also get out of mirror maiden’s little prison attack with her E cast
@@sprinkleydonut8087 Yeah. It's nice that it has at least one property as a proper special movement skill.
There was a rumour running around after miko’s release that her design suffered substantial changes mid or late into development to fit future dendro teams. I don’t know how much of that is true but it would explain why she has all those features for the sake of having features like constantly disappearing totems. The talent that gives back totems after burst feels more like a part of her burst and her EM scaling was useless until dendro came 6 months later. Because of all this she offered pure skill and burst damage with internal conditions to play around. Her high burst cost could be compensated by her “partner” Raiden and her high burst cd had a synergy with the said Raiden at c6.
All this made her feel incomplete, clunky, and ultimately mediocre. So tight release schedule with mid development reworks at least kind of explains a lot.
I think she has the EM buff to her elemental skill because they knew Dendro was coming, yes. But the rest of it, I don't think was impacted by it.
I think, instead, that the split between burst and elemental skill damage wasn't what the common player was looking for. You look at Yae, and you expect the turrets to be the main focus. And the constellations kind of push that narrative, with three of the four being tied to her elemental skill. The problem, though, is that the C0 damage on her turrets is pretty meh. And when you combine that with her wanting more on-field time to place those turrets, she felt lackluster to most people. And so, in terms of meta, you mostly saw her used for her burst. Also, didn't help that her normals lack range and are kind of slow, so she doesn't feel good on field. So, basically, her design didn't meet people's expectations.
She supposed to be a hypercarry with charged attacks and "shimenawa reminiscence" her artifact set. It has more sense the long time consuming her "E".
Yae is also more of a comfy pick to me when feeling extra lazy, in the otherworlds and especially against flying enemies you don't have to aim, just place the totems.
Yae's playstyle as a dps is fun in a sense that she can play a comp that not one character will take a long time on-field (i.e., you have to continuously cycle through characters in short intervals). The continuous rotation however will eventually strain you unless you really want to execute her unique dps gameplay.
Well I dont do E x3 > Burst > E x3 in one go for Yae usually. Normally I do E x3 > cycle my other 3 supports > Burst > E x3. That allows her initial 3 casts of her E to give some damage value and not only be just to allow burst and her burst will be stronger right after supports are cycled giving a higher overall output. Yae Miko feels a lot less clunky treating her this way with burst near the end of her totem duration instead of right away. This does take practice to pull off so you burst with all 3 totems up.
Yeah the EEE Q EEE argument is really bad. ;-; If you're doing that until now its just skill issue.
Another thing is she doesn't snapshot, so while you're using your supports yae miko's turrets are technically getting buffed, then you'll drop the burst while yae is buffed.
exactly, that specific argument annoys me because her totems have a long enough duration that you can go through your rotation and then return to her, burst and then refresh her totems and swap off. There's no real need to EEEQEEE every time lol
Word up. Never understood the need to instantly use burst when nearly timing out the totems and switching to other party members gives more damage value.
Yea, important even in so far as putting her in your slot 1 to drop 3 turrets and swap off, so when she comes back to burst she's got Widsith primed and ready (assuming you don't have good 5 star weapons ; ; .. )
Yae Miko + Nahida + Albedo + (I used Sayu as a vv debuffer and healer) is ridiculously powerful and relatively passive, you set all the things and just watch your enemies zapped and blossomed into oblivion. I beat several floors of spiral abyss a while back with this team and I didn't even feel like I was trying.
Gotta call it the Flowers team.
@@123leyang321 oh my god you're right
No one knows how to play yae miko and that's the problem... she's not supposed to be played : eee q eee,
but to eee, use the bursts of everyone else and then come back to yae miko, q eee and then there is no problem with "long switch times" or her "Long time on the field"....
2:20 It’s when Vars says stuff like this in a completely monotone voice that makes me love this channel.
Yae is directly based on the one Kyuubi/Nine Tails herself, Tamamo-no-Mae, one of the 3 greatest Yokai of Japan. Tamamo originated from China, supposedly the spirit of an evil fox who disguised herself as an empress and escaped to Japan after being discovered, interestingly this exact mythical being is referenced by Yelan as the Hulijing, Fox Spirit.
This Fox Spirit is known in myth and common culture as a "manipulative shapeshifting fox in the form of a woman", used to describe evil women in power either politically or in modern times women who seduces and steals men from their partners. You can see this being expressed with Yelan's skillsets as a secret agent to gather info and Yae's extremely manipulative personality to manage her business and get people to perform shrine duties. Luckily both character's manipulations are for the greater good.
Yae also has a direct reference to Tamamo with the name of her skill Sesshou Sakura, based on the Sesshou Seki, Killing Stone. Sesshou means kill/murder, the Killing Stone is the form Tamamo took after her "death", it's supposedly a stone that will kill anyone on touch, as a form of protection for her and an expression of her evil. Sesshou Sakura means Killing Cherry Blossom, it expresses Yae's psychopathic tendencies, which is also shown with her idle animation where she kills a bird with the Sesshou Sakura and laughs, contrasting Raiden's animation where she carefully allows a bird to perch on her hand. Yae looks like a nice person but is actually sociopathic and manipulative, while Raiden looks scary, she is actually nice.
Because Yae actually enjoys killing, she prefers to inflict pain slowly with the least amount of effort on her own and sadistically watch her victims suffer, as shown in her PV trailer. This is reflected in how her skill works, she places 3 Sesshou Sakura who does the job for her while she dances around her victims. Her burst also shows her sadistic smile while she ends her playthings.
EDIT: Also one last thing, Yae only has 5 tails because she is 500 years old, the Fox Spirits are said to grow a tail every 100 years, Kyuubi has 9 tails because she was 900 years old.
Those are very interesting fun facts, and made the character even cooler for me.
Honestly I would've pulled her based on her personality alone (and the whole kitsune thing, plus she knows things, being relatively older) but I never had the primos for her. If I do have primos when she comes next time, I might get her, but I just spent all my primos on Yoimiya and Nahida and i love them
Yoo is that Satorl Marsh Night from Xenoblade at 0:00? Fantastic taste Vars!
Yeah.. I got her the other day, was waiting for her since the first banner because she skipped me hard, got double Yae on the same 10 pull.. idk if is because of the C1 but i feel her sooooo strong!! I'm loving her so far, I really wanted her to use her with Eula BUT I couldn't resist to use her a main DPS, she saved my 36* record!! (8 cycles and counting 7u7)
As a C6 Yae main my concerns are quite similar to the video;
1. Her C1 should've been something else and lower her energy cost/increase her own ability to generate particles. Hoyo intentionally created a 90 energy problem to sell you this con, which is egregious imo.
2. Her E skill is not that much of a deal once you figure out how to maneuver, although there are no s, you can still do some fun dodging with it.
3. Comparing Yae C0 to Fischl C6 isn't exactly a "fair" comparison, as to get a specific 4 star to C6 you need 234 rolls on average (this is ignoring star glitter exchanges and event welfares), which is about C1 5 star on average (based on the average of 105 pulls per featured 5 star character). Again, these are average numbers, your mileage will vary.
I'm enjoying her more than ever thanks to Dendro reactions. She isn't meta defining, but will always have a spot in my teams as I love using her.
To be fair about the C0 5-star vs C6 4-star question, while that may be somewhat fair to apply to standard banner 5-stars, a limited 5-star like Miko is a very deliberate and calculated expenditure for a low-spending player. While it may be a similar number of total pulls in theory, often unless you REALLY like the character or the constellation is that insane a player will just stop at C0. By contrast all 4-stars are in the standard pool and can very much just show up regardless.
It is completely fair to compare a C0 5* to a C6 4*. Most people don't aim to get cons on 5* characters (You can get 9 4* characters with the same rolls that it would take to get 1 5*) and (F2P mostly) unless you're lucky, you'll end up with a ton of C6 4* and no C1+ 5*, like me.
90 energy was to incentivize playing with raiden since more energy means more raiden damage,
Thanks to idiots who were 1st to declare that EEE Q EEE is her actual rotation she got that "takes a lot of time" lable. Only after a while people realised that doing EEE into Q EEE is as stupid as pressing both E and Q on Fishl at the same time. I see you seem to think that it is her "correct" rotation too. Well, no. You EEE first, then cycle through your team attacks/buffs, then come back and Ult. And if you messed up and turrets disappeared just dont use Q in this rotation. And boom! Turns out She takes up nearly as much time as Xingqiu or Rosaria or Diona you name it.
Been a miko main since she came home on my first pull during her first banner. While I don't think she's a perfect character by any means, I have always found her issues to be way overblown.
Miko has always been a character that has required a few more braincells to operate than otherr off field characters, and thats what makes her so fun to play. Her low defense and lack of I-frames on her E means that (if your playing without shields like I do) you need to be a lot more careful with your positioning and movement. I actually use her E to dodge all the time, because most enemies have such a long windup that getting out of the way and repositioning myself isn't that hard. It just took practice. The other non issue I see with her is that she doesn't play super well with traditional comps/supports, meaning you need to get a bit more creative with her team building.
I run her in a comp of Sayu, Sara, Yae, Ayato. This comp works really well against groups of enemies, but less so bosses, but I can still throw her into a team with Kaz and make her work. The one thing that Yae does better than anyone else is consistent pressure. Between her, Sara's buffing, and Sayu's swirl, most groups of enemies are dead by the time Ayato comes out to use his E. The rotation is really smooth and loops into itself really well.
I start by putting out Yae's turrets > then Sara buff Ayato to snapshot his ult > Sara buff Sayu's ult for big swirl damage > Sara ult (nobless) > reset Yae's turrets, catching Sara's buff in the mean time > Sara buff Ayato, because his E and Sara's buff have the same duration > Yae ult, catching the tail end of the Nobless buff if played correctly > rinse and repeat.
Ayato's second Sara buff offers some extra flexibility if needed, because she has an extra buff loaded on her charged shot which I can give to Yae if the nobless buff falls off. Yae begins and ends my rotation, which makes her ult consumption of her turrets another non issue for me. She has 100% uptime on her turrets, which hit for 10k without buffs on my build, and has such strong electro application that Sayu's swirls shred enemies within the field of death. Since this is a taser team where Ayato is off field most of the time, I don't have to build any ER on him meaning he is absolutely cracked to the gills with crit, and he bursts on cool down. Yae is a character you have to build to her strengths which means potentially building her with unconventional supports to make her work. She was never a bad character, she just requires a few more braincells than most genshin players are used to/willing to put in.
6:34 RedFlaim also made a really good video breaking down Miko's mechanics that highlighted most her issues in a gameplay sense. I just wanted to mention it because I genuinely think it adds commentary on the flows to the flaws of Miko's gameplay.
It seemed to make sense until you know that RedFlaim is wrong.
She just need 2 changes:
- Burst should renew and/or extend the duration of the Totems.
- Skill should be faster or have s.
I would also take leaving the Skill as is if the Burst were to extend the totem duration past the Burst CD to the point where you only need to place the totems once if you can Burst around 5s~ after the CD ends.
Its always great to see the community come up with good ideas which we all know Mihoyo will never implement cause they are too afraid they'll make a good unit. We'll have to live under the chokehold of Bennett, XQ and Xiangling for the foreseeable future.
As someone else said, the change to her burst would hinder the passive on Kagura’s Verity which needs e resets every 15s in order to have 100% uptime and in the long run would mean a loss in dps
I'd like to see them fix her inconsistent E inputs, honestly. Sometimes I can do all three back to back, and sometimes there's a long pause where she can't move regardless of my inputs, so I have to wait a couple seconds to do her next E press. It's really frustrating, and it seems to have gotten worse with subsequent updates.
@@andreiclaudiu1759 nothing that a quick change couldn't solve. Maybe add an effect where the stacks duration is extended by the CD of the Burst? That way it also works with other catalyst users that have shorter burst CD without giving them excessive duration. Could also shorten the normal duration of the stacks to accomodate to that. Like make them las 12s or something.
I frames on her e would break the game
I don't have her sadly but my take on her skill is that if there was a hold version where she placed all three totems in the typical triangular formation at once, it would at least shave a second or two off of her field time of having to replace them after her burst eats them up. Alternatively her burst could simply not remove them and instead refresh the duration as opposed to her having to replace each one resulting in a lost of DPS.
Refreshing the duration wouldn't work with her weapon. And a hold would be a bit of a drawback, much of the time, as she'd be in one place for the entire hold duration. Her zipping around while placing her turrets is what lets her avoid getting smacked quite a bit. Remove that and, well, low hp, low poise, low defense character...
Honestly, I don't think the problem is the time she spends on field, but rather, the benefit of her doing so. The turrets need to hit harder. People don't complain about Hu Tao, Yoimiya, Raiden, Itto, or Eula spending 3x the time on field as Yae to do their thing. Why? Because the numbers are worth it.
You forgot the best thing about Miko
Her E lets you escape Mirror Maiden thing. Truly a chad move to assert dominance as THE dommy mommy.
What players commonly mistake with Miko
1. "Her Burst is hardlocked with her turrets" mentality. This mentality narrows the players vision, causing them to panic whenever they see Miko's Burst up, ending with them pulling the most stupid rotation for Miko which is Triple Skill - Burst - Triple Skill. When you look at her cons, passives AND scale numbers, her turrets are supposed to be her Main source of Damage and her Bursts is simply additive to it. If you see Miko's Burst ready and you don't have Turrets, just deploy them and switch out, then use her Burst when you feel like the Turrets are almost out, prepared what is needed, or has done enough damage. I know the huge scaling and no ICD is tempting, but don't let it be the main play for her.
2. "Bad at AoE" aspect. Miko is NOT Fischl. Her Turrets have mini AoE but I won't promote that since it's basically non-existent. Her Burst however...... Now THAT is AoE-gasm. I know it may sound opposite to the first point I made, but her Burst is just 😍. This is especially obvious when you add in Dendro Quicken and/or Anemo Gather. The fact her Burst has no ICD means EVERY SINGLE UNIT hit with Quicken WILL aggravate PER lightning. Then add her raw scaling for each strike.... I'm drooling just thinking about it.
3. Her NA/CA attacks are cluncky, but that doesn't really mean her NA doesn't do anything. In fact, it's free AoE Electro. There are situations where you need to apply electro on an area, but you are tight in the rotation or have no available skills to proc AoE electro, so her single NA will basically provide that for you. Note: I'm NOT promoting ON-FIELD Yae.
There are so many misconceptions about Yae, but I see these three the most.
As a Yae main, I can say her burst reset is one of her better setups, especially pre c2. Typically I burst her when I need to move the totems (with all the damage being a bonus). So i don’t think it is awkward or needing fixed as you say. I will say dendro aggrevate really redeemed her; nice for my c0 Yae carrying me through abyss runs 😀
i got yae c6 when she first came out just cus i loved her design and personality, and i never regretted this decision.
I've always been hearing she's good in aggravate, but I don't hear hyperbloom often enough. Like, use gilded dreams set with em sands and atk circlet assuming u have verity or widsith and she deals 20k+ hyperbloom damage and em sands increases her aggravated damage. Y'all don't have to worry about her raw turret damage since a 4pc gilded alone gives you 230 em which increases your turret dmg (80 em from 2pc, 150 from 4pc)
Edit:
if you guys are interested in quickbloom Yae comp, here's the composition:
Kokomi, Sucrose, Dendro Traveler/Nahida, Yae
The reason why Sucrose is so good is because she boosts Yae's em by 200+ assuming you have 700-800 em on Sucrose. More em on Yae means more aggravated and hyperbloom damage.
I think it's silly to expect characters to have ridiculously similar kits to the point that they'd be interchangeable.
I personally view the vulnerability of her on-field time as an opportunity for skill expression: you can dodge some incoming attacks without burning stamina. I use it all the time again Ruin Guards and whatnot. Just treat the quirk like a perfect counter using Beidou's skill: Sure, you can mess it up, but that possibility is what makes it feel even more rewarding when you do get it right.
Considering that clunkiness is a common property among catalyst users, Yae's actually on the more agile end of the scale since her 3 skill charges can also be weaved with some dashes to cover quite a bit of distance.
First of all , how many top dps units feel little clunky at C0 + no Shield ? Hutao - no stamina , Ganyu - long charge shot animation. To be fair the ability to put totems while running away and watching how the mobs die is nice :D , my favorite comp now is Miko(4GD) + Fishel(4DwM) + Nahida(4GD) + Kokomi (Clam) , let call it "E" team.
So you Rush-E?
I rolled her the day she came out. She's pretty, she makes the PP hard, she does big PP damage, I'm good an have been good for 9 months now.
The buffs she got with Dendro are just icing on the cake.
She's a solid case of the playerbase had assumptions in their mind, and continually misjudged her based on those first impression assumptions.
Like even in this video, a major misconception is trying to place her turrets, then immediately bursting before replacing her turrets. Aka the EEEQEEE playstyle. Of course she'll use up field time if you waste her mechanics like that. You're wasting an entire rotation.
If you focus on her skills only, her 14 sec turrets fit neatly in a 15 sec rotation team (think Keqing aggravate for example) and she doesn't take up field time. You can put her burst in easily for 20sec rotations, as long as you prep the field first, and do your team rotation before using her burst (almost like a reverse of how you use Yoimiya). And even if she is using more field time than a button press, she offers stamina free mobility and high damage.
And she isn't a Fischl replacement. She's an off field carry. You'd use her with Fischl like you would Keqing. Fischl may have serious A4 damage, but Yae's EM scaling means she abuses Nahida's and Sucrose's buffs. And if you put her on field, she drives Fischl's A4 hard too.
She just has a higher learning curve than several other characters. Aside from maybe some animation lag, she isn't a bad character, never was, people just assumed she was.
You could even consider this a smart tactical ploy by mihoyo. The em talent suggests that miko's dendro teams were always part of their long term plan for her. Thus, miko's hype would guarantee her sales for the first banner and her increased utility would boost her rerun sales with the new dendro reactions
all i need is i-frames while using Elemental skill, its okay to take damage but at least it didnt knock her back
If you use eee into q and then eee then you are using Yae Miko very wrong. You should almost never use her combo like that. The proper way to do it is to eee then set up your supports go back to Yae press q and then eee again then repeat. This makes sure your totems have 100% uptime while also adding reaction damage during rotation setup. Also do not bother to try and get her burst up every rotation for a c0 Miko. Just burst every other rotation. Her energy needs are too high to lower her personal damage to meet it. The totems damage is more important.
I never regret pulling for Yae on her first banner. Yes her elemental has problems, it takes a long time to place the turrets but she's still pretty strong, not S tier strong, but still solid A tier. Now with Dendro she's even stronger, though still not S tier but that's fine.
I got Yae when she first came out. I love playing her. She rarely leaves my party. The only time she leaves is when I need to farm for items that change depending on what unit I use. Then she right back in the party with Kazuha.
I see too many people complaining about her taking too much time doing EEE Q EEE... well that's not a good way to play her. Just start the rotation with EEE, than do the other stuff with your other characters (you have 14 seconds), than switch to Yae to do the burst and EEE again, then start the rotation over. It's a short and tight rotation but still works if you know what you're doing
I'm kind of surprised this needed a video to cover her. Her gameplay is still the same, just does more damage with dendro.
@@zinogrex in fairness they need to upload regular videos to appease the algorithm gods, and Genshin just doesn't have an awful lot of content to discuss. They don't have a lot of choice.
And they need to strike while the iron is hot. So videos on the current five stars on the banner.
Though, personally, I think there's a viable niche to exploit for a decent content creator in the four star market. Whenever we get a new five star and four star on the same banner, the new four star always feels neglected.
The problem with her ult refreshing totems is it'll mess with Kagura's Verity passive ability which wants you to spam your skill as much as possible. So the obvious QoL improvement will turn into a loss of damage.
i honestly think that yae has always been good
She always has. One of the few Electro units who do quite well without dendro, especially if you have constellations.
Finally! Been waiting for this video for a while 😭
I have c1 hutao, ungga bungga itto, ayato, albedo, childe.u can say she's not meta, clunky , eeeqeee and all. Despite all the critics, she's my favourite character to play in overworld and abyss. I don't have raiden for her battery and don't have zhongli for her squishiness yet I still enjoyed playing without a problems.
Because of yae, I pulled kazuha, kokomi and nahida as she deserved and this team is on par with my c1 hutao vape team or even better.
Recently, I’ve been using Yae miko hyperbloom with Yae, Nahida, Dendro mc, and Xingqiu, and it works really well.
Bold take but as a mage player in most RPGs she reads a lot like an off-field support who needs a shield, complimentary main dps, and a healer to maintain. I’m not shocked people don’t go for that but it does pay well if you prefer that type of gameplay
Well said.
For me Fischl is too hard to implement into a rotation, her Oz has very very very bad and awkward timing. While with Yae Miko’s totems I really do have to refresh them, slay with an actual ultimate strike, refresh them. It takes me almost zero effort. Gosh, I’m a girl and some people maybe would not expect a girl to simp over a mommy vibes kitsune but I am she’s so cool and pretty and strong too. Still can’t believe some players were so negative about her
I only wish that Miko’s totems lasted longer but otherwise she’s great and her burst is a nice quick explosion of damage😅
2 vids in 1 week... what a treat
If she just had longer turret up-time, generated more particles and had her first constellation change to larger AOE on turret strikes, she would be god tier.
It’s almost 2022 and people still do 3E Q then 3E lmao
lmao i love when you play Xenoblade music in these videos
This was my favorite song on that soundtrack too
All I wanted from Yae Miko was her dash actually doing some damage on contact
It does make the NPC’s shiver when dashed into her
It does electrify the water
So why not like a little damage
If her burst also followed the mobs and a held skill where the CD would’ve been 9 sec and there would be 3 huge thunderbolts that hit the monsters twice
(If there are less it’d hit twice still but higher damage)
I think people use her ability cycles wrong. EEE then swap to support characters, have them use their buffs, then swap back to Yae to burst and recast her E, its only if you try EEEQEEE that eats up so much time. Delaying the burst for later lets you strengthen her burst, lay down the support buffs, and makes swapping back to her wiser
Lol I raised her to level 90 on the first i got her, yes I like delusional oz girl but yae miko is a mommy and mommy needs love, and after crowning her E and Q it was big damage as I built her as a Burst Dos instead of support. So I use her in childe taser now nuvelette taser and when childe's E went on cool down I place totems burst and place E again and most of the time boss were already dead before they can rise up again, combining her with sucrose gave me more damage. To meet her energy needs I kept fischl in the team.
there is no off field dps , yae is support if u get her in team just for the E , same with fischl , and if u rlly use field time and normal attacks then they are dps's , either sub or main , depending on field time , fischl with c1 becomes even better in being a dps
ur upload schedule has trained me like the guy with the bell and the dogs, i get off work and i see ur video while i eat my food, now when i hear ur voice i get hungry
Woah, listening to this is a rollercoaster of regret, happiness and finally regret again. Why do I always regret pulling and investing for characters whenever I listen to this kind of reaction vids?😢
The main reason I pulled for Miko is, basically, because I hate playing Fischl.
I know it's a rotation error, but playing her feels like Oz lasts for like 5 seconds.
They're both strong, and, yes, most of the times Fischl is better.
But, to me, the biggest selling point of Yae besides damage is comfort.
People were comparing & bashing Miko at release because Fischl was way easier to use and Miko wasn't a good enough damage upgrade in certain comps despite beong a 5 star and thus very expensive
It's funny how my favorite team right now is Yae Fischl Nahida Kokomi, just use their skills and watch everything die. They also work in abyss and harder events as long as you do the rotation properly.
I used to team her up with Fischl/Beidou for battery, Xingqui and Xiangling/Sucrose. I wasn’t also very particular to chasing meta that is probably the reason I get to enjoy her way back. And finally get to enjoy her more now since Dendro was introduced.
I’m also using Widsith with her. Because weapon banner hates me :(
She may not be everyone’s cup of tea. And some people may even go the extra mile to hate her. But we can’t ignore the fact that there are players like me who doesn’t chase meta and just play with whatever we find enjoyable.
tldr; Chasing meta makes some people go kureyzee
Sametd outlook, pulling for the char. (esp. to those who give ara-ara vibes) be it Candace or Ninguang, kinda been placing in the middle of meta and a casual coz of my pull for Kazu coz electro is my fav. element and some of my char. needed the buff (rip still no c6 Sarah) and skipped Nahida lol, my frens still can't believe it since Dendro buffs Electro, I told them the gameplay and char. is not my type, so I'm here, Yae c2, since there will be a while when they will feature Dehya or at least a rerun Eula
For anyone dead set on main DPS Yae, it's very easy to animation cancel her charged attack by jumping when the bolts are about to release! Helped me out a lot
Not really my point in this long ass comment, but Yae has really good teams outside of dendro, and she was already really good, people just nitpicked on her issues a lot more often.
Anyway, I'll try to explain Yae's kit philosophy from what I understand about it.
First of all, Yae and Fischl are the only 2 characters in the game who have 2 really strong features together:
- Having most of their damage linked to their skill
- Their skill attacks not depending on anything aside from range (Nahida and Albedo require you to do reactions/dmg to the enemies)
Basically, for the first point, Yae can be used bursting every other rotation, which makes her ER requirements NOT important (you shouldn't build ER on Yae) and Fischl, while she wants to burst everytime her skill is down to refresh Oz, she just needs to do it every 24s so she doesn't need any ER as well. Characters like Xingqiu, Yelan, Xiangling, Shenhe have really good numbers, but due to their high burst reliance they need to trade dmg substats for ER.
The second point is really interesting, as it basically means, whatever the situation is, her totems will always be dealing damage (unless obv electro immunity or whatever) unlike characters like Yelan, Beidou and Thoma, who require you to be constantly attacking in order to maximize their potential.
Having an off field dps with no restrictions on her attacks, with no ER requirements, 15s duration on her totems and 100% uptime, while also having a nuke every other rotation is REALLY unique and strong, and that's why I believe they intentionally made her have a higher field time than others (and also to keep the reference to Ahri hehe) obviously this leads to other issues like her dashes not having I-frames and her also being squishy, but that's something we have to play around tbh
I'd been trying to work out a use for my Yae since I pulled her on her initial banner, and now that dendro's out I've been having a great time playing her.
The best way to make Yae insanely great is turret prioritize enemies without electro element, Yae's turret has ICD of 3 sec (the ICD is on enemy btw) so tecnically if she's able to hit 3 of the attack on different enemy you could maximized her Quicken/Aggravate with the help of Nahida. It's pointless if all 3 of the lightning hit the same enemies, yae's turret atm is pretty random most of the time you get 2 hit on the same enemy and another on random one.
/i cant believe there are people going after you even when the video is so chill
stay strong my guy
I think Lisa and Yae have a lot more in common than most people think. They're both clunky to use as they take too much time onfield even though they're both offield units. They both require big energy cost despite their burst being the essential part of their damage. Both gained buff with Dendro not just because of Aggrevate but also because EM provide them benefits.
I actually think that she is better than shogun for hyperbloom teams as hyperbloom reaction is based on the EM of the triggering character.. and with yae she wants to build a shit ton of EM anyways for her e anyways.
I got Miko by accident when i did an accidental pull but she has been a great part of my tazer team and now dedro teams. I'm happy with her even it was an accident i got her.
When Nahida wasn't released yet, Yae Miko and Tighnari is already a chief's kiss! And with the release of Nahida, she became more enjoyable to play. Her E just fits Nahida's passive plus having 2 Dendro buffs Yae with additional Elemental Mastery. I think, Yae was really made to be paired with Dendro along Kokomi, Kuki, and Thoma!
I don’t feel you give enough points how well Nahuatl and yae work together.
Honesty shes tied for favorite dps in game for me. I have mine c6r5 does insane damage better then raiden for me personally.
Most of Yae's problems do still exist.
Her field time can definitely be worked around by starting with the triple E and then come back after a short time to drop her Burst and then refresh the skills, to get value out of the first three.
However her 22s Cooldown is a death sentence that still strongly holds her back. She's super frontloaded and great for content where you need just one rotation, but otherwise she falls behind her competetion.
As for Aggravate, being an off-fielder is not particularly the key. The absolute ridiculous source of Aggravate Teams comes from Fischl's A4, which strikes enemies when Electro reactions are triggered. Which has no ICD and will always Aggravate.
However, Miko can be used on field to drive Fischl's Aggravate team as an alternative to Keqing. (Other Electros can do so too actually.)
Otherwise she's still a bit of problem child, but if it works, it works.
Her charged is clunky yes but her skill is very smooth imo, it also counts as a dodge, it gives you iv frames, I find her very fun to play
The only thing about Yae miko that doesn’t seem to make sense to me is the Shimenawa Artifact set not being viable for her despite the aesthetics.
We could say that she's one of electro's late HYPERbloomer
i have been using yae my beloved since her release and she will always be my main dps (currently my team for her is yae kokomi sucrose nahida)
Tbh I’ve always been a user of miko. I got her on the first banner she showed up on and she became a consistent member of my spiral abyss team with fischl, Kokomi, and kazuha. I’ve been able to circumvent her problems with pure taser damage. She’s also got a pretty name card which is so worth it
This video is great. I just got Yae Miko and this video really helps me understand her
I just got her this Friday, try her out on exploration+ abyss,fellin in love, Instantly double crown her (I'm a material hoarder so yeah crowning character is that easy for me)
I think miko could be better tailored as main subdps, lenghten her skill a bit, decrease the power of each individual turret and decrease the time needed for her E to deploy. Super armor would be nice, but not needed. That way, she could finally be better than fischl for the SUB slot
My favorite catalyst and 1st 5* unit
I love her cause she's so fun to play
i put vars on 2x speed. i don't know what he's saying but his voice is very soothing u///u
The only buff Miko needs is a 1.5 second duration where she is impervious to damage or intrusion while she is casting her skill. Since she can use her skill 3 times she gets a maximum of 4.5 seconds of pure invincibility. This will make her a viable tank as well as damager.
Yae is my first ever 5 star and suffice to say, even when I did not have Inazuma unlocked then, she carried my team all the way. As well as stay as my best electro sub dps. Although on numerous occasions did I find her long sequence quite staggering, that was just my or the player's mistake of timing. With the right timing(which I've done more than enough to realise) she feels so satisfying and fluid to the point that I felt nervana being able to play that well. I agree with the fact her normal and charged attack animations are too long and very unsatisfying. But with well established teams you don't need her basic attacks so meh. She is awesome and thanks to your video I felt that awesomeness once again.
Comparing Miko to Beidou is like comparing a gun to a long sword respectively. Yae’s sort of the middle ground also when it comes to Genshin’s ranged electro damage dealers nowadays. Would any of you pick Lisa over Yae Miko though?
I use both. I have c6 Lisa, and with Yae together they destroy everything. Lisa fits in perfect too with yae rotations. Just drop totems, use support bursts. Switch in Lisa, burst, hold e, then back to Yae to burst/totem. Its a grand old time. Plus it still works with the old Mona Lisa combo. Yae totems first, then mona burst, hold E lisa, then Yae burst ect.
That sounds pretty dope.
Just summoned her the other day, my first 5 Star Electro and I am very happy and grateful to have her!
Yae is a really good unit who occasionally feels bad to play. I'd be way more frustrated with her if I didn't have Nahida and a well-built c6 Fischl. I-frames during totem dashes would make her feel so much better. Her burst refreshing her totems would be borderline broken but I'd still take it if offered.
I have always enjoyed Yae Miko, and I'm not the fastest at swaping so I never found much problems with her play style.
i just impulse-wished for her and i won the 50/50!! so excited to build her!
My favorite and most powerful Yae Miko team right now
Fischl
Yae Miko
Xingqiu
Dendro MC (you can use Nahida too I presume I just don't have her)
Yae can have some serious personal damage but also having free hyperblooms makes the team OP in single target.
You absolutely melt enemies
plus Yae Miko on field is really fun
I recommended everyone try this team!!
Nahida (deepwood Em build, signature weapon),Zhongli (Noblesse,EB every rotation), Kuki(Guilded dreams EM, Xiphos sword), Yae Miko ( thundering Fury EM build, the widsith weap). This is my favorite comp right now. I wasnt going to pull her even tho I wanted to. I did in the end. Glad I did it. This comp makes me fall out of my chair laughing my ass off while everything dies after the first rotation all on its own without pressing a single extra button.
Pulled her yesterday, couldn´t be happier. I failed to do so on her original release by a couple of pulls. 1 or 2 to be specific.
Now I saved up 80 pulls and lost to Mona in a 50/50 (its good that I got Mona at least because I couldn´t handle another diluc).
Not wanting to loose again to the banner, I started to go after chests and Electrocolus, upgraded the Sakura Tree and got her on 65th pull.
I finally got her and all the work was worth it.
I've never seen how Yae could be bad in damage since I got her so didn't really have a problem. Just got used to how slow she dances around
I love everything Kitsune, and she's the reason I got Genshin and thankfully pulled her this Banner. I cant wait to learn and see what I can do with her.
My reason in the past not to pull for her is because her level ascend items were out of reach for me at the time. Till this day I haven't battled the boss for one of the essential materials, which I also need for Shenhe, who is limited to level 40 atm.
Vars, I love your videos, but Tighnari isn't made to apply dendro. Like, I will die on this hill if I have to.