The erins need to get better at family trees and stuff, it would be cool if they did put a family tree in the beginning of each book! But alas there is too many cats 😭 Cory, you did NOTHING intentionally wrong, and you don’t need to delete it off the channel at all! I wont lie, I rewatch that pmv day to day whenever I see it, like it genuinely makes me so happy, and as for the artfight, I would so gladly like to have you on the battlefield >:]
About the "Swiftpaw and Brightpaw are cousins" thing: You didn't miss anything in the first series about it due to translation, because in the original English printing of the first series _there's no mention of it._ If it's mentioned directly in any of the super editions or novellas or anything, that's a retcon. In the first arc, very few cats were actually meant to be related to each other. Unless it was directly said or mentioned in that first arc, it was not originally planned that way. Most of the things we know today about first arc cats being related to each other are because of retcons from books like Bluestar's Prophecy, or from author statements, or the Warriors website's family tree, or from something Su Suzanne said. Even Firestar and Scourge being half-brothers is a retcon. They're never mentioned as having the same father in the first arc. In fact, Firestar's dad isn't mentioned at _all_ in the first arc, and we only find out anything about Scourge's past in the Rise of Scourge graphic novel which was written way after the first arc had been completed. I don't know if Swiftpaw and Brightheart being cousins is something stated in a novella/super edition/etc, or if it's something that the fans figured out by mapping the family trees throughout the books and using various Word of God statements from the authors to fill in the blanks, but like. It isn't common knowledge, from what I can tell. I myself was today years old when I found that out, and even now I'm not sure where that was ever said. The only way to really 100% avoid shipping something that is in some way incestuous in the canon Warriors books is either to never ship Clan cats together even if they're from different Clans, or to just not ship the characters at all. The ThunderClan family tumbleweed is a mess, and since there's cats related to first arc TC cats in basically every clan except for maybe SkyClan it's only ever going to get messier. The Erins can only really fix the problem by either going "so half the stuff in the books isn't actually canon" which would be a second kind of nightmare, or by making the next arc a soft reboot that's far enough in the future that nobody is able to be assumed as direct blood relatives to anyone else just by the fact that they're both in the same Clan. Do not beat yourself up about this. A Warriors ship being some kind of incest is just about inevitable at this point unless you're shipping fan characters.
Honestly, A. Like half the fandom ships SwiftBright unaware (like me until 6 minutes ago) B. there are people who know what the song christmas kids means and still using it, you didnt know C. Even though it was just a really bad coincedence, you had the guts to apologize D. My artfight is LuckyBeans (im gonna follow you ^^)
It’s was a handful of honest mistakes, the fact that you’re addressing them is good and I don’t think most people will blame you for said mistakes. Especially if no I’ll intent was present. And I honestly think the first one wasn’t even your fault, because I didn’t even know Swiftpaw and Brightpaw were cousins either, and there are multiple maps with the same shipping premise. Honestly with how many retcons there are, or half-baked relationships there are, trying to navigate family trees is a nightmare! 😅
As a queer person myself, regarding the song choice I think you're fine. People a lot of the time don't take the meaning of the song into account when making AMVs and just based off of vibes or what they directly hear. It's just how things are. And besides, in this case it was just an accident. So you're good
*the lyrics* dang, that’s a really common mistake. no need to worry, it’s ok. it’s not as big of a mistake as when you like COMPLETELY change the story. you had no idea, that’s alright. *the timing* god i hate that feeling- the urge to post because your channel is dying. school is really stressful, the timing might not be the best but you saved yourself *art fight* I WANNA PARTICIPATE SO BADD!!! man it seems fun, i just dont know how to though :,) you are forgiven for stuff i didnt think about either when you posted it. no need to delete it right now, or at any time. you can just private it :). -RainyMist
People seams to forget that a lot of Retcoms from warriors happened years after the books where publicated, now Swiftpaw and Brightheart are cousins, but when the books where first written they weren't because Frostfur never addressed Lionheart as her mate in the books, also Vicky at the time also never addressed the two being mates in any shape or form, nor did she address him as being Cinder, Bramble, Thorn and Bright's father.
I think you’re fine! It’s a mistake that many others have made. I used to ship them before I came across your community post! I swear- literally every warrior cat is related to each other 😭 Anyways, beautiful speed paint, I hope you continue to grow!
Ooh darn. Well i just figured they were cousins today 😭 but erin needs to make a family tree because every warrior is related in some way at this point. The only way for them to not be related and be mates is if they broke the warrior code and had kits with an opposit clan member. You're completely fine!
There is a family tree on the official website, but the problem there is that in the past it has in fact been used to retcon in _even MORE incest_ for some reason. Iirc, the whole thing with Greystripe's parents being full siblings was from the old website family tree. They've fixed it a little after the website got revamped to what it is now by making it so that some cats don't have dads, but like. The only real way to fix the issue is to recon some cats that were retconned to be related into not being related again, and/or to do a soft reboot of the series that is far enough into the future that cats can be born in the same clan but not somehow related by blood anymore.
Honestly... you're all good. There is nothing in the main series books that even hint that they are related. I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure it's something that came along way later with Bluestar's SE (or maybe even just the family tree?). Before then every cat existed pretty much in a bubble, and SwiftBright was a very popular ship. At least in my country. There was like 8 years between Into the Wild and Bluestar's SE so nobody knew ! To this day I'll see a SwiftBright artwork and shrug it off, that's how conditioned we were to think of their ship as normal fan stuff. You were not shipping them as cousins, and that's what matters at the end of the day. The lyrics thing is very understandable also, it's not customary to dig deep into the lyrics of songs one listens to. Everyone will have diverging opinions on whether songs that were made in a context should remain in it or if they can be used to further art, but the bottom line is : you did not know, and now many more people do. Not quite a negative outcome, is it ? =) Don't stress too much about all of this. Have fun on Artfight !! Have some rest. Don't let the Erins ruin your day =D
1. You're right, the Erins never gave any signs that they were cousins, I personally never shipped them but I had no idea they were cousins D: 2. Even the Erins don't remember some info about their characters, they wrote Heavystep's (I think it was him lol) death two times in different books, so, even their creators won't remember so many cats and their family trees! :D (And ngl, they do a lot of incest in the books themselves 😭✋) 3. You had no fault at all about the song lyrics, most songs that I used for my animations before learning English had some cussing and deep themes, things that when I was at that age were really bad to listen to :'3 It is a super common mistake and everyone can get that wrong! 4. You had a such mature decision to assume your mistakes, even though that they were super common, you're an amazing person :) 5. HEHEHE YES IM SO EXCITED FOR THE ART FIGHT >:3 It will be my first one and I'm on the Stardust team, so, expect an attack hehe >:) (Also my user is CheetahBone :D)
1.You are correct the book never outright states they are related in any way.It doesn’t noticeably bring up who swiftpaw parents are leaving the reader the think that they could be a couple. 2.Most people such as myself don’t read into song lyrics such as myself (my personal reason is most songs have suggestive themes that I want to not destroy the song for me but others have different reasons)so it can/is a common mistake. Overall you made some mistakes as we all do and now your taking full responsibility for this and that is very responsible of you👍
Hell, I used to ship them until I learned they were cousins. It's not your fault, and I believe many people had made the mistake of thinking they weren't related in the past. It wasn't intentional, so I have nothing negative. And GOOD LUCK ON ARTFIGHT! (user is Feroxity)
The book are AWFUL when it comes to family *cough* graystripes parents ;-; And don’t get me started on how many times I’ve seen people get kicked out of ship maps because they used a ship that they didn’t know were related! And don’t worry about the pride month posting yes some people will think it’s offensive but it was just bad timing, but we all make mistakes! I personally forgive you! (Btw I don’t comment on your videos much but I’ve seen a lot of your work and it is INCREDIBLE :D)
Soooooooo I didn’t know that either 👍:D None the less they can shut up and watch the animatic cuz that was fantastic Cory!!! Also DUDE YOUR VOICE IS SO LRETTY UGHHHHH!!
I wouldn’t worry! To be honest I shipped Swiftpaw and Brightpaw for FOREVEERRR!! I never knew they were cousins since I thought.. ITS A BOOK SERIES!!!!! But you are totally fine!!! AND YAAAAAYYY ARTFIGHT mine is called LouiseSpeelt
Tbh i don't care that their cousins it's an easy mistake to make graystripe's parents were siblings for awhile and the erins didn't notice until the FANDOM pointed it out (atleast that's my understanding of it) imagine if the fandom wass only small graystripe's parents probably still would've been siblings 💀 I don't ship them but still I'm just saying that half of the cats of the clans are just related now 💀 Also just because brightpaw and swiftpaw are a straight relationship doesn't mean one or poth of them can't be bisexual or pansexual or even straight allies I personally loved the pmv and actually thought of a few ways that i might be able to use it for my ocs because i loved it so much i also was gonna look at the full song it was really good both pmv and the chosen song
The reason you didn’t realize they were cousins is because the first arc books never mentioned it. Goldenflower and Lionheart are never mentioned to be siblings, and there is no mention of Lionheart being the father of Frostfur’s kits. In the first arc they were never thought of to be related, Victoria came up with these characters entirely separately from one another. Swiftpaw and Brightheart being related was a retcon made by the prequel books. If you were to never read the super editions or novellas, you would have no idea that they were related. This is all to say, I don’t blame you, and retconning cats to be related is kinda dumb. Also my artfight in MuddyPaws >:3
ITS NOT UR FAULT!! when it comes to lyrics, that part of the song want very specific on what it was referencing, I didnt even pick it up. the erins reallly have to keep track of the family tree a lot better. at this point pretty much all of them are related and its pretty gross... problems aside it was a great pmv!! when it comes to timing, it makes sense that you would post something!! its what any youtuber loosing subs would do, its just a coincidence that it was in pride month and with the song you couldnt really tell what it was talking about unless u heard the full song. all of that aside, good luck from team stardust! ill definitely be attacking you >:3
Honestly I’ll admit when I saw the pmv on my fyp I thought it was a little strange that a song about gay relationships was used for a hetero couple, but honestly now I’m glad I kept my goddamn mouth shut because oHMYGOD can this fandom NOT make stupid drama out of nothing for TEN SECONDS And like.. half of the relationships in this series are inbred, wHY do we make a big deal about this when the books themselves do this, like yeah there should obviously be a point where we draw the line but as you said, there’s no mention of it in the books and people ages ago found no issue with the ship then so why??? So yeah tldr. You did nothing wrong and any harassment you might have faced was absolutely undeserved, thank god you aren’t a super popular creator or else people would of thrown this incredibly out of proportion, as they always do 💀
People getting mad at you because they're apparently cousins is crazy imo 😭 theres been countless maps and animations before about their relationships and no one batted an eye. Heck i remember those warrior cats facts videos spreading the idea that "swiftpaw hopes brightheart will chose him over cloudtail in starclan" the fact people are getting mad at YOU is stupid and as several people here have stated, they didn't know they were cousins either. You're not the first person to shine a romantic light on them and no one in this fandom is going to check the family tree constantly because of how much of a dumpster fire the erins made it. When i read the first arc i was under the impression they were siblings myself for some reason but when i entered the fandom space they made it CLEAR they weren't siblings and that there was something else going on between them. First arc family trees aren't as trust worthy as other ones everyone knows the erins just put cats wherever, not your fault imo 🤷
As a part of the lgbtq… is it really such a big deal when a queer song is used for a non-queer couple? Like straight songs are used for queer couples all the time! I don’t see it as a big deal, it’s a song, it’s a amazing song, but content with the song doesn’t always have to be related to the original meaning- at least that’s my opinion
Hoesntly the books never bring up cousins , it’s why many people forget that part But also it’s not really brought up which chars ages like apparently swiftpaw was a grown adult the whole time
Not really "the whole time," but yeah he and Brightpaw both were adults by the time they snuck off to attack the dogs alone. Presumably Cloudpaw was Warrior age as well at that point since I don't recall him being made a warrior super early or anything, but like. Who even knows? The Erins certainly don't keep track.
I feel like taking it on someone that genuinely didnt know these things in a bad way its horrible, you took a lot of effort into it. Any comment that just suggests you an opinion or point of view its okay, but to get to insults, degradations because of this when you didnt know its awful. Although I saw most of the comments were respectful and that's good. And about the cousins things, I didnt know before I saw it on a "little soldier meme". And even Erins do also this mistakes in the own books, like Graystripe's parents or even the new character, Moonpaw, wich her parents are direct cousins if I remember well, or even Ivypool and his mate I think...? So even the author gets mistaken. Your pmv was amazing btw and I hope more attention gets to your videos because you're an amaizng artist and you put a lot of soul and effort into your pieces!!!
I think it's weird to get mad at incest ships in Warriors. Like.. These are stories about CLANS. A clan is a group of people who share a common ancestor or lineage. Thus, they are all one family. And the Code does not allow you to invite outsiders to this small group of cats(I know that this has changed in the modern arc, but we are talking about the first arc). So if you follow the rules, there is almost no way to choose a partner who is not a member of your family Most characters don't consider other cats as family unless they are their parents or siblings. Cousins or nephews and uncle(aunt) dynamics are rare in this series, almost no one see their family three further than parents and siblings So what's the point of getting mad at the SwiftxBright ship if Erins not mention them to be cousins and this characters don't consider each other as close family? About using a song about LGBT people for hetero ship.. What's wrong with that? People use songs anout hetero relationships for lgbt couples, why is it different? Isn't it amazing that one song with one lyrics inspires people to creat a different versions of the story based on this one song? PMV is great, by the way, a wonderful work of art❤
Noooo I shipped them whyyyy, dang I had no idea they were cousins so I don’t think that was a big deal, pretty sure half the fandom ships them anyway ngl Also my art fight is PinkRabbit, I’m on team seafoam if anyone’s interested :)
Cory your fine i use to ship swiftpaw and bright (i don’t anymore) so your good i just wish that the erins could make easier to see if they are family or not but your fine! Btw can i draw Oliver bc my dad calls me Oliver sometimes lol
Listen okay. Considering the ERINS have canonically made a couple that are first cousins, and whose daughter is a protag cat (cough Thriftear x Bayshine = Moonpaw) you are doing WAY BETTER by shipping two cousins unintentionally and APOLOGIZING for it
Seriously? Hot take? You didn't need to apologize for any of this. These are all nothing burger mistakes. 1: Sorry for the incest ship This series is FULL of incest ships that most try to ignore because they are canon. This ship was I believe fairly popular back in the day. It's not that big a deal when you literally have and UNCLE AND NEICE AS A CANON SHIP PEOPLE LIKE. I'm not saying incest is ok, I'm saying the barking is going up the wrong tree. 2: Sorry for using a gay song for a straight couple Who cares, literally WHO CARES! It's ONE AMV in a sea of probably more of the "appropriate dynamic" being used for the song. I understand you and others may believe "This song is for the gays" But it is just a piece of art someone felt moved enough to express. Idk I feel like the visibility of the song reaching others is worth more than one person mistakenly using a gay song for a straight ship 3: Sorry for posting a straight ship with a gay song during pride month 🤔 Correct me if I'm wrong but just because the ship is straight doesn't mean they both HAVE to be straight. If the problem is that this is "Gay erasure being posted during pride month" then I'm sorry but this is just hateful and wrong. I mean do people just like to forget Bi people exist??? It can still be pride month themed in a different way. Conclusion. I don't think you should have apologized, and if you were being harassed for these again NOTHING BURGER MISTAKES, Shame on them for doing that. You're fine, you're good, you didn't mean harm and no harm was dealt. I struggle to even call these mistakes tbh. I hope you can pick yourself up after all this and continue to create. Your art is very pretty
@@EmeraldSands I don't believe in the term homophobic. It's very offensive to me bc we are not afraid of u at all, we just don't believe in ur lifestyle or think that it is right in any way
@@AnonymousNightFury017 believe in it or not, it’s what the term is and has been since long before you were born. And you can’t change the fact that we exist, so you might as well get over yourself and get used to it.
@@AnonymousNightFury017 not everyone is going to let your cult dictate how they live their lives, get used to that too. Some old book that’s been translated a million times by a million biased people isn’t going to stop me from living a happy life with my boyfriend, and maybe you should actually think for yourself about why you think that happiness is so wrong just because we’re both men.
damn i just came across this video and tbh sounds like an honest mistake hope people dont hold a grudge on you,, also hope u have a good artfight -coming from a 3 years participant (@_kurojoy_) :)
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The erins need to get better at family trees and stuff, it would be cool if they did put a family tree in the beginning of each book! But alas there is too many cats 😭 Cory, you did NOTHING intentionally wrong, and you don’t need to delete it off the channel at all! I wont lie, I rewatch that pmv day to day whenever I see it, like it genuinely makes me so happy, and as for the artfight, I would so gladly like to have you on the battlefield >:]
i hate that they made fern and ivy a couple.. BLOSSOM AND IVYSUPREMACY AHAHA NOT EVEN THAT BUT IVY AND FERN ARE COUSINS!!
@CH50T1CFAWN FR!! IvyBlossom isn't my thing so (just an opinion) AroAce Ivy 4 ever!
Literally, everyone in Thunderclan is related in some way. Its kinda hard to avoid inbreeding when you rarely accept new blood.
About the "Swiftpaw and Brightpaw are cousins" thing: You didn't miss anything in the first series about it due to translation, because in the original English printing of the first series _there's no mention of it._ If it's mentioned directly in any of the super editions or novellas or anything, that's a retcon. In the first arc, very few cats were actually meant to be related to each other. Unless it was directly said or mentioned in that first arc, it was not originally planned that way. Most of the things we know today about first arc cats being related to each other are because of retcons from books like Bluestar's Prophecy, or from author statements, or the Warriors website's family tree, or from something Su Suzanne said. Even Firestar and Scourge being half-brothers is a retcon. They're never mentioned as having the same father in the first arc. In fact, Firestar's dad isn't mentioned at _all_ in the first arc, and we only find out anything about Scourge's past in the Rise of Scourge graphic novel which was written way after the first arc had been completed. I don't know if Swiftpaw and Brightheart being cousins is something stated in a novella/super edition/etc, or if it's something that the fans figured out by mapping the family trees throughout the books and using various Word of God statements from the authors to fill in the blanks, but like. It isn't common knowledge, from what I can tell. I myself was today years old when I found that out, and even now I'm not sure where that was ever said.
The only way to really 100% avoid shipping something that is in some way incestuous in the canon Warriors books is either to never ship Clan cats together even if they're from different Clans, or to just not ship the characters at all. The ThunderClan family tumbleweed is a mess, and since there's cats related to first arc TC cats in basically every clan except for maybe SkyClan it's only ever going to get messier. The Erins can only really fix the problem by either going "so half the stuff in the books isn't actually canon" which would be a second kind of nightmare, or by making the next arc a soft reboot that's far enough in the future that nobody is able to be assumed as direct blood relatives to anyone else just by the fact that they're both in the same Clan. Do not beat yourself up about this. A Warriors ship being some kind of incest is just about inevitable at this point unless you're shipping fan characters.
Honestly, A. Like half the fandom ships SwiftBright unaware (like me until 6 minutes ago)
B. there are people who know what the song christmas kids means and still using it, you didnt know
C. Even though it was just a really bad coincedence, you had the guts to apologize
D. My artfight is LuckyBeans (im gonna follow you ^^)
It’s was a handful of honest mistakes, the fact that you’re addressing them is good and I don’t think most people will blame you for said mistakes. Especially if no I’ll intent was present.
And I honestly think the first one wasn’t even your fault, because I didn’t even know Swiftpaw and Brightpaw were cousins either, and there are multiple maps with the same shipping premise. Honestly with how many retcons there are, or half-baked relationships there are, trying to navigate family trees is a nightmare! 😅
As a queer person myself, regarding the song choice I think you're fine. People a lot of the time don't take the meaning of the song into account when making AMVs and just based off of vibes or what they directly hear. It's just how things are. And besides, in this case it was just an accident. So you're good
*the lyrics*
dang, that’s a really common mistake. no need to worry, it’s ok. it’s not as big of a mistake as when you like COMPLETELY change the story. you had no idea, that’s alright.
*the timing*
god i hate that feeling- the urge to post because your channel is dying. school is really stressful, the timing might not be the best but you saved yourself
*art fight*
I WANNA PARTICIPATE SO BADD!!! man it seems fun, i just dont know how to though :,)
you are forgiven for stuff i didnt think about either when you posted it. no need to delete it right now, or at any time. you can just private it :).
-RainyMist
Awh, thank you
@@CoryXVbloom will do!
People seams to forget that a lot of Retcoms from warriors happened years after the books where publicated, now Swiftpaw and Brightheart are cousins, but when the books where first written they weren't because Frostfur never addressed Lionheart as her mate in the books, also Vicky at the time also never addressed the two being mates in any shape or form, nor did she address him as being Cinder, Bramble, Thorn and Bright's father.
I think you’re fine! It’s a mistake that many others have made. I used to ship them before I came across your community post! I swear- literally every warrior cat is related to each other 😭
Anyways, beautiful speed paint, I hope you continue to grow!
Thanks autumn- you're so sweet, istg TvT
Ooh darn. Well i just figured they were cousins today 😭 but erin needs to make a family tree because every warrior is related in some way at this point. The only way for them to not be related and be mates is if they broke the warrior code and had kits with an opposit clan member. You're completely fine!
There is a family tree on the official website, but the problem there is that in the past it has in fact been used to retcon in _even MORE incest_ for some reason. Iirc, the whole thing with Greystripe's parents being full siblings was from the old website family tree. They've fixed it a little after the website got revamped to what it is now by making it so that some cats don't have dads, but like. The only real way to fix the issue is to recon some cats that were retconned to be related into not being related again, and/or to do a soft reboot of the series that is far enough into the future that cats can be born in the same clan but not somehow related by blood anymore.
Honestly... you're all good.
There is nothing in the main series books that even hint that they are related. I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure it's something that came along way later with Bluestar's SE (or maybe even just the family tree?). Before then every cat existed pretty much in a bubble, and SwiftBright was a very popular ship. At least in my country. There was like 8 years between Into the Wild and Bluestar's SE so nobody knew ! To this day I'll see a SwiftBright artwork and shrug it off, that's how conditioned we were to think of their ship as normal fan stuff.
You were not shipping them as cousins, and that's what matters at the end of the day.
The lyrics thing is very understandable also, it's not customary to dig deep into the lyrics of songs one listens to. Everyone will have diverging opinions on whether songs that were made in a context should remain in it or if they can be used to further art, but the bottom line is : you did not know, and now many more people do. Not quite a negative outcome, is it ? =)
Don't stress too much about all of this. Have fun on Artfight !! Have some rest.
Don't let the Erins ruin your day =D
Thank you so much kzbDBZULIED
1. You're right, the Erins never gave any signs that they were cousins, I personally never shipped them but I had no idea they were cousins D:
2. Even the Erins don't remember some info about their characters, they wrote Heavystep's (I think it was him lol) death two times in different books, so, even their creators won't remember so many cats and their family trees! :D
(And ngl, they do a lot of incest in the books themselves 😭✋)
3. You had no fault at all about the song lyrics, most songs that I used for my animations before learning English had some cussing and deep themes, things that when I was at that age were really bad to listen to :'3
It is a super common mistake and everyone can get that wrong!
4. You had a such mature decision to assume your mistakes, even though that they were super common, you're an amazing person :)
5. HEHEHE YES IM SO EXCITED FOR THE ART FIGHT >:3
It will be my first one and I'm on the Stardust team, so, expect an attack hehe >:)
(Also my user is CheetahBone :D)
1.You are correct the book never outright states they are related in any way.It doesn’t noticeably bring up who swiftpaw parents are leaving the reader the think that they could be a couple.
2.Most people such as myself don’t read into song lyrics such as myself (my personal reason is most songs have suggestive themes that I want to not destroy the song for me but others have different reasons)so it can/is a common mistake.
Overall you made some mistakes as we all do and now your taking full responsibility for this and that is very responsible of you👍
Thanks Lion, I appreciate you
@@CoryXVbloom Np!^^
Hell, I used to ship them until I learned they were cousins. It's not your fault, and I believe many people had made the mistake of thinking they weren't related in the past. It wasn't intentional, so I have nothing negative. And GOOD LUCK ON ARTFIGHT!
(user is Feroxity)
The book are AWFUL when it comes to family *cough* graystripes parents ;-;
And don’t get me started on how many times I’ve seen people get kicked out of ship maps because they used a ship that they didn’t know were related! And don’t worry about the pride month posting yes some people will think it’s offensive but it was just bad timing, but we all make mistakes! I personally forgive you!
(Btw I don’t comment on your videos much but I’ve seen a lot of your work and it is INCREDIBLE :D)
Canonically swiftpaw and bright paw loved each other- wich is really why the Erin’s need to try better at family trees-
Soooooooo I didn’t know that either 👍:D
None the less they can shut up and watch the animatic cuz that was fantastic Cory!!!
Also DUDE YOUR VOICE IS SO LRETTY UGHHHHH!!
RAHHHH, THANK YOUUUU
I wouldn’t worry! To be honest I shipped Swiftpaw and Brightpaw for FOREVEERRR!! I never knew they were cousins since I thought.. ITS A BOOK SERIES!!!!! But you are totally fine!!! AND YAAAAAYYY ARTFIGHT mine is called LouiseSpeelt
Oooo what team are you Louise?
@@HollyAndJay im Team Seafoam!
SAMEEE
WHY IS EVERYONE SEAFOAM???
-a starduster
Tbh i don't care that their cousins it's an easy mistake to make graystripe's parents were siblings for awhile and the erins didn't notice until the FANDOM pointed it out (atleast that's my understanding of it) imagine if the fandom wass only small graystripe's parents probably still would've been siblings 💀
I don't ship them but still I'm just saying that half of the cats of the clans are just related now 💀
Also just because brightpaw and swiftpaw are a straight relationship doesn't mean one or poth of them can't be bisexual or pansexual or even straight allies
I personally loved the pmv and actually thought of a few ways that i might be able to use it for my ocs because i loved it so much i also was gonna look at the full song it was really good both pmv and the chosen song
The reason you didn’t realize they were cousins is because the first arc books never mentioned it. Goldenflower and Lionheart are never mentioned to be siblings, and there is no mention of Lionheart being the father of Frostfur’s kits. In the first arc they were never thought of to be related, Victoria came up with these characters entirely separately from one another. Swiftpaw and Brightheart being related was a retcon made by the prequel books. If you were to never read the super editions or novellas, you would have no idea that they were related.
This is all to say, I don’t blame you, and retconning cats to be related is kinda dumb.
Also my artfight in MuddyPaws >:3
ITS NOT UR FAULT!!
when it comes to lyrics, that part of the song want very specific on what it was referencing, I didnt even pick it up.
the erins reallly have to keep track of the family tree a lot better. at this point pretty much all of them are related and its pretty gross... problems aside it was a great pmv!!
when it comes to timing, it makes sense that you would post something!! its what any youtuber loosing subs would do, its just a coincidence that it was in pride month and with the song you couldnt really tell what it was talking about unless u heard the full song.
all of that aside, good luck from team stardust! ill definitely be attacking you >:3
Honestly I’ll admit when I saw the pmv on my fyp I thought it was a little strange that a song about gay relationships was used for a hetero couple, but honestly now I’m glad I kept my goddamn mouth shut because oHMYGOD can this fandom NOT make stupid drama out of nothing for TEN SECONDS
And like.. half of the relationships in this series are inbred, wHY do we make a big deal about this when the books themselves do this, like yeah there should obviously be a point where we draw the line but as you said, there’s no mention of it in the books and people ages ago found no issue with the ship then so why???
So yeah tldr. You did nothing wrong and any harassment you might have faced was absolutely undeserved, thank god you aren’t a super popular creator or else people would of thrown this incredibly out of proportion, as they always do 💀
It's fine you didn't know and losing subs made you post something and the lyrics are pretty subtle about the meaning 👍👍👍👍
First of all, it’s really not that deep especially since you weren’t aware of any of this. So don’t feel bad, your intentions were good
People getting mad at you because they're apparently cousins is crazy imo 😭 theres been countless maps and animations before about their relationships and no one batted an eye. Heck i remember those warrior cats facts videos spreading the idea that "swiftpaw hopes brightheart will chose him over cloudtail in starclan" the fact people are getting mad at YOU is stupid and as several people here have stated, they didn't know they were cousins either. You're not the first person to shine a romantic light on them and no one in this fandom is going to check the family tree constantly because of how much of a dumpster fire the erins made it. When i read the first arc i was under the impression they were siblings myself for some reason but when i entered the fandom space they made it CLEAR they weren't siblings and that there was something else going on between them. First arc family trees aren't as trust worthy as other ones everyone knows the erins just put cats wherever, not your fault imo 🤷
As a part of the lgbtq… is it really such a big deal when a queer song is used for a non-queer couple? Like straight songs are used for queer couples all the time! I don’t see it as a big deal, it’s a song, it’s a amazing song, but content with the song doesn’t always have to be related to the original meaning- at least that’s my opinion
Hoesntly the books never bring up cousins , it’s why many people forget that part
But also it’s not really brought up which chars ages like apparently swiftpaw was a grown adult the whole time
Not really "the whole time," but yeah he and Brightpaw both were adults by the time they snuck off to attack the dogs alone. Presumably Cloudpaw was Warrior age as well at that point since I don't recall him being made a warrior super early or anything, but like. Who even knows? The Erins certainly don't keep track.
@@lalas181 ik but he was a grown man but still a app
Don’t worry Cory I didn’t know anything about the song or that swiftpaw and brightpaw were cousins either! Im sure everyone understands
OML HI BEEEE!!
@@CoryXVbloom HIIIIII
I told you I watched all your vids heehee
I feel like taking it on someone that genuinely didnt know these things in a bad way its horrible, you took a lot of effort into it. Any comment that just suggests you an opinion or point of view its okay, but to get to insults, degradations because of this when you didnt know its awful. Although I saw most of the comments were respectful and that's good.
And about the cousins things, I didnt know before I saw it on a "little soldier meme". And even Erins do also this mistakes in the own books, like Graystripe's parents or even the new character, Moonpaw, wich her parents are direct cousins if I remember well, or even Ivypool and his mate I think...? So even the author gets mistaken.
Your pmv was amazing btw and I hope more attention gets to your videos because you're an amaizng artist and you put a lot of soul and effort into your pieces!!!
Thanks Abby, you're a huge inspiration
@@CoryXVbloom I appreciate that a lot Cory❤️❤️ I hope I can be on artfight on half month or something
I think it's weird to get mad at incest ships in Warriors. Like.. These are stories about CLANS. A clan is a group of people who share a common ancestor or lineage. Thus, they are all one family. And the Code does not allow you to invite outsiders to this small group of cats(I know that this has changed in the modern arc, but we are talking about the first arc). So if you follow the rules, there is almost no way to choose a partner who is not a member of your family
Most characters don't consider other cats as family unless they are their parents or siblings. Cousins or nephews and uncle(aunt) dynamics are rare in this series, almost no one see their family three further than parents and siblings
So what's the point of getting mad at the SwiftxBright ship if Erins not mention them to be cousins and this characters don't consider each other as close family?
About using a song about LGBT people for hetero ship.. What's wrong with that? People use songs anout hetero relationships for lgbt couples, why is it different? Isn't it amazing that one song with one lyrics inspires people to creat a different versions of the story based on this one song?
PMV is great, by the way, a wonderful work of art❤
Noooo I shipped them whyyyy, dang I had no idea they were cousins so I don’t think that was a big deal, pretty sure half the fandom ships them anyway ngl
Also my art fight is PinkRabbit, I’m on team seafoam if anyone’s interested :)
Hey!,,, it’s my second year on artfight too :D I’ll see if I can attack you this year
Cory your fine i use to ship swiftpaw and bright (i don’t anymore) so your good i just wish that the erins could make easier to see if they are family or not but your fine!
Btw can i draw Oliver bc my dad calls me Oliver sometimes lol
Thank you Hazel- I just wanted to be sure I wouldn't get cancelled, plus, I feel bad--
Also, sure!!! especially if you're on art fight >:D
@@CoryXVbloom sadly i am not on art fight 😔 but i’ll still make fan art and your fine you won’t get cancelled i promise
awoooga, jumpscare
Listen okay. Considering the ERINS have canonically made a couple that are first cousins, and whose daughter is a protag cat (cough Thriftear x Bayshine = Moonpaw) you are doing WAY BETTER by shipping two cousins unintentionally and APOLOGIZING for it
Seriously? Hot take? You didn't need to apologize for any of this. These are all nothing burger mistakes.
1: Sorry for the incest ship
This series is FULL of incest ships that most try to ignore because they are canon. This ship was I believe fairly popular back in the day. It's not that big a deal when you literally have and UNCLE AND NEICE AS A CANON SHIP PEOPLE LIKE. I'm not saying incest is ok, I'm saying the barking is going up the wrong tree.
2: Sorry for using a gay song for a straight couple
Who cares, literally WHO CARES! It's ONE AMV in a sea of probably more of the "appropriate dynamic" being used for the song. I understand you and others may believe "This song is for the gays" But it is just a piece of art someone felt moved enough to express. Idk I feel like the visibility of the song reaching others is worth more than one person mistakenly using a gay song for a straight ship
3: Sorry for posting a straight ship with a gay song during pride month
🤔 Correct me if I'm wrong but just because the ship is straight doesn't mean they both HAVE to be straight. If the problem is that this is "Gay erasure being posted during pride month" then I'm sorry but this is just hateful and wrong. I mean do people just like to forget Bi people exist??? It can still be pride month themed in a different way.
Conclusion. I don't think you should have apologized, and if you were being harassed for these again NOTHING BURGER MISTAKES, Shame on them for doing that. You're fine, you're good, you didn't mean harm and no harm was dealt. I struggle to even call these mistakes tbh. I hope you can pick yourself up after all this and continue to create. Your art is very pretty
Awh, thank you so much!! I just wanted to clarify some things to the people that 'attacked' me for it--
Bro I thought u were a guy the whole time, I’m sorry 😢
Trust me, that's alright!!! Happens more than you'd think
All these ppl thinking they have to cater to the lgbtq community is very annoying
“Cater to the lgbtq community” you mean not being homophobic? Not straightwashing things that are about queer experiences _during Pride Month?_
@@EmeraldSands I don't believe in the term homophobic. It's very offensive to me bc we are not afraid of u at all, we just don't believe in ur lifestyle or think that it is right in any way
@@AnonymousNightFury017 believe in it or not, it’s what the term is and has been since long before you were born. And you can’t change the fact that we exist, so you might as well get over yourself and get used to it.
@@EmeraldSands I'd rather not bc the lifestyle is sinful and against God's Word
@@AnonymousNightFury017 not everyone is going to let your cult dictate how they live their lives, get used to that too. Some old book that’s been translated a million times by a million biased people isn’t going to stop me from living a happy life with my boyfriend, and maybe you should actually think for yourself about why you think that happiness is so wrong just because we’re both men.
damn i just came across this video and tbh sounds like an honest mistake hope people dont hold a grudge on you,, also hope u have a good artfight -coming from a 3 years participant (@_kurojoy_) :)
Thank you!!! I hope you have a good art fight as well :D