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Pokemon Generation 8 Review (SwSh, BD/SP, Legends Arceus)
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2022
- Generation 8 has certainly become one of Pokemon's most polarizing generations. In this video, I wrap up my thoughts on the core games of the last three years.
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WHEW! Feels good to have this one done! Originally this video was 30 minutes long but I had to trim some of the fat, so forgive me if certain points aren’t as fleshed out (mostly the SwSh DLC), but hey I felt like I got my points across anyhow
The thing I love about legend arceus is that it begin what was missing from pokemon in the first by using battle element similar to adventure where trainer had to avoid pokemon attack and get in a perfect position thown they pokeball and give out the attack to they pokemon
I feel like recent games especially 3d era of pokemon had been emulator the anime more over time that thing had been lost in translation to this point
Release the JPR cut !
Let’s be honest legends arceus saved gen 8 (kinda)
Yes I agree that BDSP sucks bad but as someone who has never played platinum or the originals I feel attached to that game
Legends Arceus is still such a groundbreaking title because it's one of the only games ask the question: "What if Charizard wasn't in this game?"
Im effing dead 😭😭😭
😂😂😂
I didn’t even notice that charzard was removed
Why do people hate charizard lol
@@fausthanos08 is not really charizard himself. Is just the seemingly unwarranted love charizard gets from gamefreak. Only starter to get two mega evos. The only other pokemon with two is Mewtwo and its the quintessential legendary pokemon with two in its name. And well whatever, its cool. But then two generations later, a whole new pokemon game with new pokemon and mechanics and whose the Ace pokemon of the champion? Charizard... Are you serious? All these new pokemon and we go back to charizard? And it gets a gigantimax? What about Venusaur and Blastoise? And all the other starters? Bruh? So yeah, some people whos favorites never got mega evolutions a tired of this favoritism
The criticism of ORAS really showed in BDSPs development. I think in retrospect we were spoiled with new Megas, new battle teams, new story beats, and character design updates that we secretly had these expectations for BDSP. As someone who played a lot of Sapphire as a kid, I liked how fresh the remakes were with these ideas and tying it to XY. It respected the source and did something cool with it. They held back and put their money & time on PLA. If there was anything that needed the makeover, it was Diamond and Pearl considering 3rd games get the shaft because money. I hope they just respect Unova.
I don't even want gen 5 remakes, just give me pokemon legends kyurem
Oras is awesome
@@AlphaladZXA Fair, I'd rather see that than some retarded ilca "faithful" remake of gen 5.Because at that point, just port the DS version of the game pixel art and all, because at least then it won't be completely ruined.
Instead of black and white remakes why not black3 and white3?
@@ijmillares9005 where would you even go after B2W2?
I genuinely enjoyed Legends Arceus. This game was a true 25th Anniversary gift. It expands the story of my favorite Gen and was completely open world and entertaining. (Not to mention Shiny hunting is so rewarding 🤩)
Best part of sinnoh includes being post game locked if you don’t battle the one trainer with a drifloon
This was me back in 2007 since I had no idea a wild one spawned at Valley Windworks on Fridays
This happened to me 😂
I was beyond disappointed when I saw that spikemouth was literally just a hallway. No where to explore. Nothing to do postgame. GIGANTIC WASTE.
Gen 5 is my favourite gen, it’s incredible, the best one by far imo… but if they do to gen 5 dirty in the remake, I’m going to be so disappointed, arguably not only the best pokemon games but also one of the few hens in the last decade that was actually really good
Also, they are some of the only games where Pikachu doesn't exist. :)
Don't even look forward to the remakes. They'll butcher them like they've been doing with every game after Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon.
And EVEN IF they SOMEHOW manage to make them good, they'll still never live up to Black and White or their sequels.
Just replay the originals. They're the best in the series.
This generation is the most divisive for me. One the one hand, almost all the new pokémon look great and are good in battle, the designs of everything is unique and beautiful, and the easiness to enter competitive is great for younger fans. Plus, Legends Arceus was the unexpected remakes the franchise needed to bring some soul back to it.
However, the problems are way to noticeable. With SS, the story doesn’t exist, the lack of voice acting and any real postgame was too much, and the sheer lack of real dungeons and adventuring were so strong that, to this day, I haven’t replayed the game ever since I did 3 runs so to use each starter.
With the sinnoh remakes, we all know the problems with BDSP. But for Legends Arceus, I only had some nitpicks but no real bad thing to say of it. Other than the exp system.
Yeah the lack of voice acting bothers me, even with scenes like Rose at the start and Piers doing the song. They said they don’t do it due to Pokemon being translated in many different countries but since the localization happens at the same time, they could do VA as well.
@@IgnitedQuils yeah, plus they’ve done voice acting before. Look at BOTW and Mario games.
@@IgnitedQuils Yeah, it's still super weird where they have a scene of Piers singing, and there's even sound effects for his toe tapping, and yet no sound is actually coming out of his mouth.
The exp system was actually quite a nice change in my opinion because it made it harder to have an overleveled team unlike in XY. When I arrived to Volo I was WAY behind in term of level and had to grind more which was cool
As a shiny hunter, The Crown Tundra, BDSP and Legends: Arceus combined raise the overall score of Gen 8 by a lot.
The base Sword and Shield game is awful for shiny hunting, as the 500 encounter method is severely flawed, but the Dynamax Adventures system introduced in the Crown Tundra expansion makes it worthwhile to spend time shiny hunting in the game. The improved Poke Radar in BDSP is IMO the fastest shiny hunting method in any Pokemon game, as you can keep the chain going and catch multiple shinies of the same species. And Legends: Arceus' Mass Outbreak and Massive Mass Outbreak mechanics are great for catching shinies, but also the Permutation Method and simply randomly encountering shinies makes it very worthwhile to spend time shiny hunting in the game.
I would rather have a hard time finding shinies in a good game than an easy time finding them in a bad game, but you do you.
@@MoustachioFurioso83 that's why my favourites are the Alola games, they have both. The Alola games are amazing, and until BDSP SOS chaining was the fastest shiny hunting method, so they have it all.
@@MoustachioFurioso83 you mean SWSH a good game with Masuda method? I agree
@@MoustachioFurioso83 would much rather play bdsp again over gen 7 personally, there are things i can complain about of course as there are with any game but i had a blast playing new diamond and did tons of post game stuff, pokemon sun and pokemon shield i haven't even finished yet....
My major criticisms of gen 8 is that rom hacks and fan games have innovated far better gameplay wise then the official games. I think I'd prefer a game with no flashy additives or even a game with no new Pokémon as long as it had more expansive rpg elements and quality of life improvements.
Tbf any generation can get a cool rom hack that completly remakes the game and improves it. Look at all the different rom hacks out there for older gens, they're awesome.
@@Kyumifun that's true but the fact that this is the latest generation when for years fans have added amazing QoL improvements over that time that gamefreak has not added has to be recognized
I have to hard disagree here. Those "flashy additives" did make the games better. And BD/SP's poor reception is proof. They kept gimmicks out of the game and what we got was an overly faithful bore of a game. OR/AS did as well as it did because it gave us mega evolution which improved every aspect of the gameplay. If the situations were reversed, I guarantee you that OR/AS would be the game everyone complains about. It's just so baffling that they didn't bring it back for BDSP not only because so many prominent trainers would be viable mega candidates, but also because the game's theme is evolution and mega evolution would be the next natural step in that research. This game NEEDED megas and they didn't get any because the dumb fan base kept whining about them.
@@dustinvance243 you are just flat out wrong adding any kind of gimmick would have just made them even worse bdsp was just bad on so many level's and for the record i loved mega's
@@kotzer71 you're sending very mixed signals here. If you like megas then why are you saying they'd be a bad idea? BD/SP needed something to spice things up and mega evolution would have been the perfect answer.
In others words, Legends Arceus carried Gen 8.
It saved Gen 8 and the main series Switch games in general
Nah Swsh is good its just bdsp thats garbage
And arceus is also good
Gen 8 went 2/3
@@ReidnReactn I think the same here.
@@ReidnReactnSword and Shield are also garbage.
As someone who got stuck with Gligar for the entire Brilliant Diamond playthrough, I felt so validated when you used that example
The Volo effect lives?
In Volo we trust 🙏
I agree with you on BD/SP. I loved SW/SD even though it has all its quarks. I go back and play them but I have figured out some fun stuff to do like get a Charizard at lvl 20.
I really liked Arceus not much more to say.
While this generation was a mixed bag, I like how distinct each game felt instead of looking somewhat homogeneous like prior Gens. A continuation on the style established in the 3DS era, a return to traditional Pokémon, and a breath of fresh air with the most different Pokémon game to date
I love PLA, but I also generally enjoy SwSh and BDSP even though I too have my problems with both games (I actually still play BDSP even to this day)
I mean it's not a mixed bag really, there are two games that are walking garbage and the last one sacrifices online and battles for more technical gameplay
no games in Gen 8 are worth buying.
@@abarette_ that just your opinion. Everyone has them, so instead of ’’each game not being worth buying’’ its just YOUR opinion that people shouldn’t buy them.
@@Cigmacica my opinion is not that people shouldn't have bought them?? I got scammed into buying PLA too, but I'm just saying none of the Gen 8 games are worth buying - because it's true.
@@Cigmacica Nah gen 8 sucked, every game was garbage or mid.
… I can get SwSh, but BDSP? Why? Why not just play Platinum instead?
Honestly, its refreshing to see someone who understands that pokemon is so behind every other video game franchise, and the problem is getting worse. Arceus gave us hope but until there's a new console, it's pointless.
And that Pokémon is the highest media franchise. Yeah most of the money is from merchandise but Pokemon is and always have been a video game franchise, and will be first.
I feel like more funding or resources could be implemented. They most likely are but the most common criticisms are still there, even for Arceus. But I still love Pokémon.
@@IgnitedQuils it will always be my favorite game series, but it's hard to watch lol
@@CJMcG Same here. I still have hope but it’s still confusing.
Just remember, Arceus and Scarlet/Violet were being overlapped in development so I think it’s unlikely that SV will have all the good changes Arceus made
I stop caring about Pokemon around Gen. 7. Ever since Gen. 6, I started to get bored of the franchise because of there low quality ( Though I wanted to play the Gen. 3 remake to see if I like it more than the originals ) and while Gen. 7 does start off rough, but decent in Sun & Moon, I started getting depressed with USUM when they decided to recon the original version by making an " enhanced " version rather than an sequel or DLC and there wasn't anything that it enhanced on. It seems worst; aside adding more Pokemons and having postgame that isn't really that great. I wanted an Pokemon game that's put in effort, having good quality and most importantly, having fun. But none of the modern Pokemon games are working with me. I'm hoping Gen. 9 will fixed it.
For me the only thing that makes BDSP worth buying is the improved Poke Radar system. By tweaking how the Poke Radar mechanic works it makes it an extremely good shiny hunting method. I was able to catch as many as 9 shinies of the same species in just one chain, and in just a few months I was able to successfully Poke Radar chain every shiny I needed to fill in gaps in my living shiny dex. Plus, we were finally given the chance to shiny hunt 3 different Mythical Pokemon in Shaymin, Darkrai and Arceus.
@@jaretco6423 those things are minor improvements and don't make the game worth buying.
Shiny hunting the mythicals and getting ribbons for my cool mons is the only thing what keeps me playing bdsp, the friendship constantly being on and having to buy herbs and take damage to use them just to have abit of a challenge made it extremely boring to playthrough.
I wasn't a huge fan of Legends Arceus myself. The world felt so dead.
Just like sword & shield. Arceus was a goofball game
I love pokemon games cause the regions feel so alive. But in Arceus it was just bleh everywhere you look
@@its_Tsuki_ keep in mind that this is set in Sinnoh's ancient past, so it did make sense, people back then where more so intimidated by Pokémon in the wild, so both humans and Pokémon didn't yet learn to live together
@@bulborb8756 well said
Same I was forcing myself to play it to get a shiny arceus in BDSP
It’s sad how gen 8 was basically carried by legends arceus 😂
Gen 8, despite all the controversy, was an amazing experience for me. I've spent hours in SwSh exploring the Wild Area, which along with the cities and routes in Galar were an immersive and memorable experience. BDSP might have missed a LOT of expectations but at least I had a good nostalgia trip for the 2 months before LA came out (and I can pretend the Azure Flute, Oak's Letter, and Member Card events were finally distributed for DP). And speaking of which, LA was the perfect finale. It might not be perfect, but it was definitely the most fun I've had playing a Pokémon game in recent years. The gameplay, the region, the characters, the not-so-subtle references to the previous titles, the music are absolutely amazing. Not to mention how much personality each individual Pokémon species have! I can tell the people at Game Freak poured their hearts into this game and I appreciate every last bit of it.
Gen 8 is like a raisin cookie. You were promised a delicious cookie and you see from afar that its a delicious chocolate chip cookie. But when you walk up too it you smell something a little off but upon noticing the shopkeep tells you they just brought in a fresh new made batch of cookies you ease up a bit because his forfathers have owned the shop for centuries and your parents swear by them. However upon biting into the cookie you realise that its not chocolate chip but reused raisins that were from a leftover batch years prior when you see the box on top of the dusty shelves of the legacy Display Shelf
Agree with this
Sw/Sd is a mix bag. It had an awesome soundtrack, cool new Pokémon, the competitive scene and the characters are pretty good but the story, the evil team, the main villain, and Gigantamax is completely trash. Legends Arceus on the other hand is the best game out the generation 8 mostly because it catching mechanics is really fun, seeing a somewhat open world is kind of cool and each Pokémon have a new model so it didn’t feel like the same generic models from the 3Ds games.
Yeah it remembers me about Kalos, which was a good gen for competitive, and with new mechanics that would change Pokémon forever but the story was trash
Gigantimax designs were better than Mega designs imo
The funny thing is at least to me, a kaiju battle isnt that bad but this gimmick that allows everything to be able to do is wild to me. Seems like one of the point of the franchise is that theyre pocket sized compared to the giant skyscraper kaijus in most media. Being in a dynamax battle just seemed kinda silly with the amount of power it allows you. The lore implies the darkest day was this catastrophic event involving dynamax that almost destroyed the region but lets give access to anyone who wants to be a trainer. Galar is incredibly lucky they dont have any evil teams who would abuse this.
This is where the divide seems to be happening, seperating fans of the simple, classic Pokemon formula and what appears to be the future of the series. For me personally, barring EXP Share and P;atinum content I find Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl to be the dream Pokemon games that I'd longed for as a child, and hoped the future would be like: formulaic, charming, simple, predictable, yet beautiful in that, with 3D battles, full 360 degree movement, etc.
That said, I'm not totally without hope at this moment: hopefully Scarlet and Violet can bridge the divide between tradition and innovation in a creative way that doesn't divide the fanbase between the dwindling fans of the older style and the growing fans of the new era.
If I had to give the gen a number rating I'd go:
SwSh (just base game): 3/10
BDSP: 2/10
Legends: 7/10
So overall a 4/10. Some good ideas but pretty poor execution imo
Legends: Arceus is 9.5/10 at least! It's the biggest leap forward any Pokemon game has ever taken, and we should strongly encourage the franchise to keep going in that direction.
@@PoolKid75 Yes, we should, but just that alone isn't enough to magically make all the flaws of PLA go away.
Hm always weird to hear this. When u guys play sw/sh or bdsp do u not do the online battling/breeding parts of the game? Ofc gen 8 has the timer issue but still competitive in sword and shield imo was almost as fun as gen 6 competitive.
Legends Arceus is the most innovative and imo, best game Game Freak had ever given us
I remember how in Legends I caught Alpha Lucario as soon as I got access to that area. Didn’t know Alpha Lucario was up there, I was just exploring before continuing the main story and I encountered it, being about 30-40 levels higher than my current team. The thrill of sneaking up on it and catching it on my first attempt was stellar. Then the rest of the game was a cake walk for the most part.
I feel like they should’ve handled the Alphas like the “strong looking” Pokemon in SwSh where you just weren’t allowed to catch them until you’ve progressed enough
My feelings toward this generation is overall positive. Sure, SwSh’s story isn’t too good, but there’s a reason why Sword is my most played game on the system. I’ve spent so much time with competitive breeding, max raids, and to a lesser extent shiny hunting, and I don’t regret it. For Legends Arceus [Arkoos], it was a nice fresh experience, and it’s pretty fun. Admittedly I haven’t completed the Dex yet, but I’m almost there.
As for BDSP, I’m currently working through it after dropping it at the end of the year, and I’m grinding for the elite 4. I don’t really care about the artstyle or graphics (similar for the other games), but I have run into some problems along the way. The underground somewhat makes up for the DP dex limit, but keeping evolution items until late game (or even post-game) is pretty frustrating (for me it was the shiny and dusk stones). The extended 360 movement doesn’t fit too well with the grid-based layout and can lead to some frustrations with narrow corners. And while I haven’t faced the elite 4 yet, I have heard about the huge spike, which is why I’m grinding my team to level 70. But despite the flaws, I can still find some fun. Id say the Grand Underground is the best part of the game, not only due to the hideaways expanding the dex, but also because of the wide range of items you can dig up; I have about 20 heart scales in my bag, and I’ve already used a few previously.
So overall, I’ve had a positive experience with Gen 8, but I’m still hoping the next one will be even better. Sorry this comment was so long, but if you made it to the end, have a great day.
oooooh glad to see this series continue!! Been waiting for this one haha
As for my experience, SwSh was fun, and while I love the overall art-style, the designs of the cities and the music of the game, the story and the region felt too shallow compared to Gen 5 or 7, but it was otherwise enjoyable. The horrible draw distance and some minor graphical issues were a shame, but no deal breakers for me. The DLC was extremely fun and refreshing, especially the Crown Tundra.
BDSP was just a lazy remaster of DP, and the only thing I liked about it was the difficulty in the League, it was an insane nuzlocke experience, and it was breathtaking, but otherwise cannot dethrone Platinum as the best Sinnoh experience.
Legends Arceus was insanely fun, I had so many times in my first playthrough with my mouth wide open, going "oooooh this is DOPE!!", and of course Volo bits were incredibly enjoyable, but it's the least replayable game out of the three imo, since you gotta get through so many tutorials, cutscenes and research to keep progressing in the story, but I can forgive that, since the immense amount of enjoyment it gave me the first time around can't be matched by SwSh and BDSP. This game frickin ROCKS :)
Legends Arceus was amazing and I hope later games in the series take cues from it.
Sword and Shield were fine, but they did feel incomplete without the DLC. The way Dynamax was integrated in to the story was magnificent; it was a far cry from how Megas were handled in X&Y. I also love how they integrated the game specific mechanics in to the story by having the climactic battle against Eternatus be a Max Raid battle.
BDSP I only got because I lost my diamond cart years ago. I still think they could have just made a switch port of platinum and that would have been enough; it didn't change enough to really justify the remake.
I haven't had as much fun in a pokemon game as I had in Arceus since Gen 2.
When I was 10.
Interacting directly with the pokemon was so much fun
I feel like the spin-offs like the returning Pokémon snap and mystery dungeon carried the generation
Sw/Sh: way better than the critics would have you believe.
BD/SP: this didnt need to be a thing.
PLA: initially its quite good, but its flaws become apparent after a few days.
I bought Sword used because the base game just isn't worth full price, it might be worth playing for shiny hunting and raid events; I didn't bother with the "remakes", why would I buy an incomplete remaster of a game that I already played at full price? I got Legends Arceus because it's a FUN game that changed so many things that we knew about Pokémon games, and as someone who doesn't like multiplayer games very much, it saved Gen 8 for me.
With how many tools you’re given to help you raise your team in Sword and Shield, some pushback should have been included at least as an option you could turn off or on. Level scaling so you can’t sweep opponents through overlevelling, or simply being able to turn off the EXP Share (a function that’s been in previous games so it’s not a great deal of effort to code in).
That rant about bdsp was hilarious, but I do have to say: I actually never played diamond and pearl before, so it was an alright fun enough game for me. (Liked it better that sword and shield, propably because those in my mind left more potential untapped).
Legends Arceus might be my favorite Pokémon game of all time. It’s by no means perfect but it’s so fun and so refreshing. A bit tedious in some areas but overall a really great experience
Agree with a lot of the takes from the rage at BDSP, appreciating but being ready to move on from dynamax (the Galar pokemon themselves are incredible, though!), and the pure fun and positive trajectory that PLA gave us in terms of giving the franchise a breath of fresh air and good foundation for future entries
Almost feels like people just wanna move on from swsh just like how street fighter fans want to from SF5 to 6
Man, you went off SO HARD on BDSP, I could feel the frustration! Hope it was a bit cathartic saying all that, great video!
For all the issues of SW and SH I have to give it props for its Pokemon designs. Pokes like the Galarian versions of the Kanto birds, Toxitricy, Urshifu, Falinks, Wooloo and Dragopult are Awesome designed pokemon
Not only that the references to the region its based on is probably some of the best in the franchise
Personal opinion incoming: Many fans of video games have been spoiled by the games that go for as realistically looking as possible. Now, many want all games to look that realistic. Give ten years, and the realistic games will not look good anymore. The games that will look good are the ones that were stylized. Pokémon is a stylized game. It’s art style will look better in the long run. I just do not like when people say that Pokémon looks bad when it is stylized to look timeless. (And I don’t want anyone saying that there is a game from ten years ago that still looks amazing because that is the exception not the rule.) This is just my opinion.
Just played Sword and I absolutely loved it. The whole 3D experience, open areas, maxing the pokemon, all felt great. Also this was the first game I played on a legit console (without an emulator), so was a new and exciting experience for me. Having said that, now I think about it the map was really sad and the story was thin as hell. There was also barely any side quest stuff that is usually exciting. Overall though I tremendously enjoyed it, just unhappy the Isle is yet another expensive DLC.
IMO Dynamax was so much fun in doubles and VGC! As a vgc format player I quite liked SW SH after I fell out during gen 7. I played single battles last in gen 6 and honestly, they brontosaurus seem nearly as stimulating
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I have enjoyed legends arceus just like how k enjoyed gold and silver when I was 7.it took a long time for them to make a pokemon game really enjoyable like legends arceus.ifts music feels so nostalgic its battle system catching mechanics and non linearity exponentially improves its enjoyability. It almost took me 100 hours of game time to completely finish the game and was one of my best 100 hours of my life.
Honestly I think Legends should be a new permanent addition to the main series
Here's hoping for a Legends Kyurem or Legends Hoenn? Either way I'm excited for the future prospects PLA has opened
I would love a Legends Kyruem game!
@@FTChomp9980 I think a Legends Kyurem is the most logical next Legends game but GF doesn't always pick the logical choice lol
If/when Megas are back in the main series I'd like to see a Legends Floette or Legends Rayquaza focusing on the 3000 year war or the direct aftermatch and the ancient Draconid people
Legends Zygarde, the pokemon war and deaths please
Maybe because I never played Platinum, but I really liked BD SP. I recognize the issues you bring up but I still enjoyed the playthrough quite a bit and the three levels of pokemon league are just amazing.
Gen 8 is the gen where I started playing pokemon for the first time, and I really love it just for that alone
Actually I think that Sword and Shield are really good games because they were ambitious and while the execution isn't great it isn't bad either. For me BDSP are bad games due to lack of ambitions and the changes weren't really for the better. Legends: Arceus is near flawless game and I'm happy that Scarlet and Violet are taking inspirations from this
And SV is even worse than BDSP.
@@EJthemad7174 no. They have technical issues but it is far from the worst attempt in the open world game. It is really fun and at least it has ambitions and rational difficulty spikes assuming that you don't go for level 50 Pokemon with a beginner team. Also the characters and stories are really good
@@milesedgeworth8683 nah Sv is good and while i like swsh better the problems with sv are crazy
Bdsp is hot ASS
But people were saying sv is good without all the buggs glitches and graphic issues but thats the problem
The buggs got so bad it impeded my ability to even play the game off and online raids didnt even function properly alot of the time
The characters are ok(some r good)
The music is decent
But the battles are all VERY EASY especially the champion
Swsh had hard battles like leon and mustard
And The Pokémon design in swsh is some of the best in the franchise along with the music
Me personally, I actually liked BDSP. I completed the main story fairly quickly, I shiny hunted a bit, and I completed the dex (minus deoxys and celebi) in SP. Besides LA, if I’m bored this is a good game for me to just chillax and shiny hunt or grind a mon to lvl 100. I prefer LA over BDSP, but to me I don’t see the hate where most people do
They're pretty much just Diamond and Pearl, which are still really solid games. But they also made some weird choices with regards to changing them, and I think most people would have just been satisfied with a port instead of a remake.
@@Stinkoman87 a port of PLATINUM would've been amazing
Gen 8 is probably my second favorite Gen since I love SWSh, and BDSP is a top 5 game for me easily
With SWSH, I do agree with how variable the Pokemon you can get early on is good and the amount of new Pokémon and regional forms feel well distributed. I agree with how bland the region is; yes it’s based on the entire United Kingdom but I felt like it could have been like Hoenn due to the mini dungeons and having to backtrack to places (like going back to Petalburg).
EDIT: The battle timer bothers me due to the things you said, that even Shofu and Pokeaim made responses to get rid of that. And the Battle Recorder being gone despite VGC being a thing, the heck?
I haven’t played Legends and BDSP but for BDSP, it having the same levels and Pokemon that the trainers have (thanks to the regional dex), not borrowing an element from Platinum aside from the Rotom forms and clothes, the permanent EXP share, coupled with the friendship mechanic that lets your Pokémon survive hits makes it feel imbalanced. DP is half baked and the remakes not really trying to rectify that, unless you count the Grand Underground, makes you confused when looking at previous remakes.
Wow its so weird how I agree 100% with you on Sword and Shield, you're absolutely right about more time in the oven I literally use that phrase each time I talk abt these games. This is really great critique, all around
I feel like swsh dlc and wild area, along with legends Arceus, were mainly designed as proof of concept for gen 9's open world scarlet and violet.
Also, I actually didn't mind brilliant diamond, but that's probably just because I never played d/p or platinum.
The diamond and pearl remakes make me really worried for when Nintendo decides to remake black and white
Unfortunately “go play platinum” isnt the most widely accessible option for most people
I understand that Sword is a flawed game with the graphics and story. But it's the first pokemon game I ever played, so it will always have a special place in my heart
SwSh 8/10
DLC 8/10
BDSP 6/10
PLA 9/10
3:30 was very well said. I one-shotted Kabu's Gigantamax Centiskorch with a Max Rockfall from my Drednaw. Sure I had 6x damage on my side but it just made my first exposure to Gmax feel meh
SwSh DLC included were the best games in gen 8 and I’ll die on that hill
Only thing I disagree with is dynamax, I am the opposite. Loved it mechanics wise, hated the visuals. Nuking your opponent for 3 turns felt impact, applying buffs/debuffs, field change, and weather all great for party strat set ups too. Visually no lol, magenta hue kaijus with purple fart clouds overhead arent very appealing to me.
i think the variety should bump the letter grade up a notch. there's something for everyone this gen.
Ah yes, some absolutely brilliant variery:
1. An Unfinished 3DS game ported to the Switch.
2. A VERY terrible """remake""" with a HUGE bullshit difficulty spike at the league.
3. A fun game with great potential that was held back by certain aspects of it.
At least it's Good.
The saving grace I hoped from BDSP was the possibility of a Gen 1-4 dex for VGC with modern mechanics. I was excited to build a Granbull Assault Vest Trick Room team but immediately jumped ship when I realized that all the QoL changes to getting a Pokemon to competitive readiness was gone, ON TOP of all the new items. Assault Vest? Gone. Eviolite? Gone. All of it was G O N E gone! I was really hoping for a saving grace. But in the end, I was left with nothing.
Call me crazy. But is it possible that not enough people appreciate the art of the Pok'emon battle. Hints the reason why we haven't gotten more than 2 battle facilities with unique styles of battling in main line Pok'emon games sense gen 6?
I’m so over the BDSP slander. That was an appetizer of faithful nostalgia before our main course in Legends…..yall don’t deserve the Sinnoh region. 😤
I think BDSP being (overly) faithful can be attributed to it being made by ILCA. It was their first Pokémon game. They didn't know fans wouldn't like overly faithful remakes.
Also, as much as the loud minority loves Platinum, it's actually one of the worst selling core series games in Pokémon.
Really? Platinum is the worst selling Pokemon game. Odd.
@@jaretco6423 Not the worst selling one (that one would be Crystal), but DP sold 10 million copies more than Platinum. Third versions aren't as popular as the main pairs of games.
@@wikiuser92 Huh. That is weird. U would think that one of; if not, the most popular Pokemon game would sold alot. Maybe not as much as Gen. 1 or even Gen. 2. But still.
@@jaretco6423 A lot of people got D&P when they came out, and didn't feel the need to buy it a second time a year later.
@@jaretco6423 Guess it's the question of the loud minority vs silent majority. The silent majority are the bulk of the people who buy the games but don't express their opinions online (not at least in ways that would get a lot of attention), while the loud minority is made of the people who make their voices of the games heard online, but don't exactly form a notable portion of the people who buy the games.
BDSP is the game the Pokemon community deserved after the hissy fit thrown over everything SWSH
Honestly I really love legends arceus but a point I disagree with in the video you made is that PLA incentivizes you to catch. It did that for me for like the first 100 hours. But I truly wish I could just battle with my Pokémon online. Yes you can make the argument about Pokémon home but I shouldn’t have to buy a separate subscription for that. Scarlet and Violet could fix this issue tho… Gen 9 might genuinely become the best generation
I’d say gen 8 could’ve been better with finally getting itself together at the end. I liked galar but the structure of gyms were disappointing because I liked the look and idea but some gyms were just yeah do a team. Battle 3 times.
Gen4 remakes are meh and I already don’t like dpp but wanted to get a new light but it’s so under I just couldn’t care to go through the elite 4 because it’s such a spike compared to the rest of the game
Legends atleast gave a new formula and that gets the pass for jank but it’s not for the most part
It was like a well done steak. It’s a steak but it’s not that good unless you drown it in sauce
sword and shield was my first original pokemon region (lets go was my FIRST main series game) and i dont like how much hate it gets, this is my favorite region and i'm glad you dont also hate kt
Tbf the most problem I had with sword and sheld is the Pokémon not being there for me greninja is one of my favorite pokemons so obviously I’m going to be bias that greninja is not there but it’s not as bad as people made it out to be because for me it meant I got to use new Pokémon I would’ve never used but hopefully in the new Pokémon games they add every Pokémon again
To me, i generally have a personal rule that I avoid using pokemon on my team IF i have used them before, I also usually try to use pokemon introduced that gen...which has led to some issues with team building (which is why in gen 9 i'm gonna try to use a mix of old and new, likely not gonna be 50-50 but who knows).
I'm also fine with the cut to the national dex as inside, I felt like it was gonna happen eventually with how many we have now, also don't expect the National Dex to be back in gen 9, since they stated this is gonna be the case going forward starting with gen 8, so don't get your hopes up here
@@bulborb8756 it shouldn't need to happen tho, as several pokemon are barely a few bytes large making it a self-imposed issue in regards to the dumbass that made that ridiculous decision.
I'm not saying that every pokemon absolutely needs to be shoved into the main or post game, I'm just saying that the dex cut in general is just unnecessary
9:42 "there are *shining* moments of *brilliant* presentation here" i see you
10:04 all of that would've happened (spending more time to polish the game) if the dex cut was planned from the start imo
Also you forgot that BDSP ruined Home's Coding
This is a great review! Broke it all down Very nicely. Though I'd give the generation a B- just because I love Arceus so much. lol
BDSP's disappointing result can be traced to the fact it was not developed by Game Freak but instead ILCA (first mainline pokemon game developed)
Not trying to defend BDSP, I am just stating a fact
Had BDSP been developed by Game Freak it would be less disappointing.
but at the same time...would they really have been able to handle that extra workload since Game Freak was working on Legends and on Gen 9 so their resources where already stretched
@@bulborb8756 Legends just wouldn’t have existed.
@@UltraBall23 exactly
I think that is a hot take on BDSP. Gen 4 Sinnoh had three glaring issues: slow pacing of everything, overabundance of HM dependency congesting your team’s movesets and terrible limited Dex. BDSP addressed all these and made for a much more satisfying experience. That DP “have nostalgia going for them” isn’t a point in their favor for me because the very issues I mentioned the OG games having makes it impossible for me to be nostalgic for them in the first place. These also had fantastic Gyms and League battles with competitive teams that had good Natures and items which is a refreshing change of pace.
I take the point on wanting more Platinum related content or other new stuff in to build off things from the base game and it should have launched with things like HOME connectivity and working GTS, but even accounting for those, it still has really strong points going for it. Not saying they are my favorite games in the series for sure, but an “F” as in NO redeeming qualities? Nah I can’t get on board with that.
Respect the honest opinion though and great video as always. 👍🏻
12:56 BURN!!
13:45 Pokémon Platinum!!
18:21 TRUE!
19:05 new rivlas, as you fight for survival nothing can stop you diamond and pearl 🎶
Personally I really like gen 8 as a whole and it is one of my favourite regions/games however it is not without its flaws.
Before this Gen, Gen VI was my least favorite for X and Y.
Oh, were we spoiled rotten compared to now because at least that game had a full Pokédex and something of a sense of dignity.
This Gen had the worst starting games, the worst remakes, the worst in just about any category for plot, characters and overall graphics. It just flat out sucks on all levels.
And while I’m tentatively excited for Scarlet and Violet, I’m not convinced that Nintendo is going to learn from their mistakes given that these games are still making money hand over fist.
honestly I think generation eight made Pokémon the least accessible that it has ever been.
Same
I was so disappointed when the contests were changed imagine 4 people in the acting contests and all the mind games you could play with each other
Sword and Shield was a controversial game as is but overall despite its flaws I love the variety of new Pokemon.
BDSP was a rushed mess.
And Pokemon Legends Arceus is a Pokemon experience is really good.
of course the National Dex isn't ever coming back, and tbh with 905 total pokemon right now, the removal of it was bound to happen.
also the fact they gave an evolution to the forgettable stantler show's they can still do new evolutions to older mon's since they also gave ones to ursaring, basculin (albeit for 1 form and with a seriously wtf summoning method), qwilfish & sneasel (from their regional forms) and even to scyther
Somewhere Kaito on Twitter is currently drafting a 12 page essay about how your takes on Gen 8 are wrong and how Sword and Shield are nuanced 😂
Legends Arceus has the Minecraft effect. I’ve been really critical of GameFreak since SwSh dropped but even with its graphical issues I was able to let it go for a bit because I was having so much fun with the core gameplay loop
"Routes are easier to get through than a McDonald's drive-through"
my dude, I want you to take me to a drive-through of my choosing, then say that again
I liked sword and shield a lot. I think the ease of training up pokemon unlocks more creativity and freedom in team building, which is the most important thing for me.
I also didnt finish shining pearl.
Legends was great, but I was less forgiving of the changes to the battling. I think it would have been perfect if the battling was the same as it normally is.
This generation is the most 50/50
It gave us BDSP which is so bad
Legends Arcues which is peak
And SwSh which is just mid
It’s such a mixed generation but an iconic one nonetheless ✨
@Mariam Issa iconic cuz the memes and controversy made me chuckle
Calling SwSh mid is weird imo. It has some really good highs but also bad lows as well. It's more of mixed, not mid
@@isaiahmonroig2262 exactly. Mid as in pure mid. Great some parts. Bad in others. Where it’s bad it’s really bad but where it’s good it’s really good 💕
how is arceus peak? the game was less than mid at best, sure if everyone who played pokemon was under 10 it would have been gas but they aren't. BDSP was a remake that was harder and was only really ruined by the pokemon friendship stuff preventing them from getting damaged or dying. SWSH introduced dmax/gmax and that easily ruins the entire generation.
@@yabiochya I immediately discredited your entire argument when you said that dynamax alone ruins SwSh. That's literally your bias and to then insult people based on age just proves you're trying to force your biased ideals on others rather than having an actual educated conversation
I actually enjoyed Gen 4 Remake and as a casual Pokemon gamer (who does STUPID mistakes making it ironically harder for me) I had fun playing the game. But I will agree that the game lacks Platinum content, lack of an identity, and making it rather divisive to recommend.
If there's a Pokemon remake that I rather return is Gen 3 and 2. But I'm glad I had fun with the remake of Gen 4 and thats what matters the most.
JPR just wanted to say I agree with a lot you had to say here. I've heard you say a lot about this generation, a good amount negative, but I found everything in this video very fair and reasonable. It wasn't the best gen but it really wasn't the worst gen, not by a long shot.
Forced EXP share is a quality of life feature. Im currently playing gen 5, and missing that full party exp share. Gens 6-8 made it so much easier to explore a region and enjoy a story when i'm not having to grind
In a few years, at the end of Gen 9, we need a Gen 9 review
"unusable in competitive single battles"
well you see, you used "competitive" and "single battles" in the same sentence 😎😏
It's such a shame we're only getting one worlds for all of SwSh, cause it felt like they made the games with a lot more care for VGC and specifically with making the gimmick of dynamax a bit of added spectacle to make events like the world championship look more exciting to people who have no idea what's going on.
Hey hey let's be a little fair to those poor compettive singles folks. VGC isn't for everyone. I would never choose to do competitive anything and singles is the least fun version of the battle system and... i can't emember where i was going with that. You arr right though, such a shame they made the game so perfect for VGC and squander the potential.
Story in Arceus was great, was it basically Mystery Dungeon...yeah but it's a good story. But kinda crazy that there was no post story where we try to send the protagonist back to their time.
Sword and Shield were games I had fun with but in small doses. For every good thing there were 2 bad things crept up behind it. I have never had this much back and fourth with a game before. I decided no to buy the DLC because it felt like I was paying for a post-game. Paying to make the mediocre experience good and that thought made me hold off because there were better things to do with my money.
SPEAKING of better things to do with my money, I would not touch BDSP if it was free. I don't even care about the "how can you judge something you haven't played" argument. That argument works in most cases, this is not one of them. I was not wasting my time with what feels like a delibrate bottom of the barrel experience. Not even the music does a lot for me because I generally prefer these songs in the DPP soundfront.
I've talked extensively about Legends before so I'll keep it brief. The game has many flaws but shows how meaningful great, fun gameplay is. I think it defintely sent Gen 8 off on a high note.
I enjoyed each game in its own right. I didn’t play any of the gen 4 games, so I decided to get BDSP. I loved the character-based plot of SwSh. I enjoyed going through BDSP, though I don’t remember it having much of a story-was there even a story? But Legends Arceus was THE BEST. I enjoyed it much more than SV. I did enjoy SV as well, but I think the graphics in SwSh were better than SV’s…
8:32 Theme of growth and passing the torch….I wonder if the anime will fellow that theme
Diamond and Pearl were good games. That's a point I won't budge on. But BdSp are abysmal, and yes those 2 thoughts can exist at the same time. As a fan of gen 4 it was the biggest slap in the face to receive.
maybe it's because i only got into playing pokemon at the start of this year, but legends arceus is by far my least favourite one (i've played lets go, sword, heartgold and violet so far) i actually hated how different it was but i can see how more long-term fans found it refreshing. i found some of the controls fiddly, and the open world wasn't that interesting to navigate and i kept ending up in dead ends of endless identical hills lmaoo. the boss battles were an unwelcome surprise to me, and i felt like i could never fully spend time exploring since i was too busy trying not to get attacked by pokemon every 2 seconds lol. i ended up exchanging the game for violet which instantly became my favourite pokemon game. maybe i'll try arceus in the future since i'm really curious to learn more about arceus' lore and the other legendaries
I honestly loved Sword and Shield. They are my favourite 3D Pokémon games and they had me hooked for a really long time after I beat the game with Raid events and mystery gift distributions.
I actually didn't mind swsh personally. I think it could've been better of course and let us turn off the dang exp share but it was overall enjoyable. Had no interest in playing bdsp since I already have platinum and regularly replay it. Legends Arceus I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't like it. I notoriously have a distaste for open worlds amongst those who know me. I dislike the lack of direction and progression. Then added on to the fact that the main focus of the game is catching Pokémon and that's not really what I play the games for. So unlike most I hope the mainline games don't follow it's lead. I would be fine with a spin-off series being started for it so legends doesn't permeate the experience I love about Pokémon.