Part One: Cecil Rhodes: The First Proud Boy | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part One: Cecil Rhodes: The First Proud Boy | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert is joined by Propaganda to discuss Cecil Rhodes.
Original Air Date: October 6, 2020
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Not gonna lie, I'd love a playlist of all the episodes with Prop as a guest star. I cannot state how much I LOVE his chemistry with Robert and Sophie, so finding this three months later is a wonderful little treasure.
Really, a list of all BtB guests with sublists for appearances would be great. Sometimes I'm in the mood to hear Prop, sometimes I want to hear Cody & Katy, sometimes I'm looking for Billy Wayne Davis.
He is my favorite guest as well. He has such a wholesome energy, and I love the sincerity in his laughter.
Billy Wayne is another good one; he has done a lot to help kill the fight or flight response I have when hearing a man speak with a thick Southern accent.
"I admire him, I frankly confess it; and when his time comes I shall buy a piece of the rope for a keepsake." - Mark Twain on Rhodes, from Following the Equator
Now that's some classy shade to throw.
twain was the og shade thrower, it always makes me giggle with glee like a child
@@GrayYeonWannabe Then we share the reaction.
@@GrayYeonWannabehis Jane Austen quote was the jewel in the crown
I'm glad I grew up super-poor, and that the first novel I ever read was 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Instead of a head full of adventure and colonialism, I got hatred for Imperialism and a taste for high tech weapons.
Bear in mind with his early obsession with diamonds... diamonds were exclusively in the world of the wealthy and aristocracy. Like how he found and sold the Star of Africa, and as I recall, it was sold to the guy in charge of South Africa, who then gave it to the King of the UK as a gift. Like, if you weren't fabulously wealthy, you weren't buying diamonds.
The diamond industry didn't shift over to selling to the "common man" until the end of the 1940s and into the 1950s when the De Beers company increased diamond production and decided to start marketing to middle class people. They came up with the "diamonds are forever" ad campaign and deliberately linked diamonds to engagement/marriage.
Created demand, resulting in a way to use smaller and less exclusive diamonds for the poors...plus, it was that or just turning them into industrial diamonds as diamond dust, which had a greater rate of return?
They also came up with the rule that a man aught to spend *three months salary* on said engagement rings! Like, they pulled that right out of their ass to ensure they really squeezed the working class for as much as they reasonably could, and they convinced generations of people that that was all of a sudden a societal norm.
fun fact: the early griqua self-identified as “bastaards” or “basters” to reflect their mixed-race origin. in dutch this wasn’t as much of a slur as it was to the english, who refused to use the term. but their descendants in namibia largely use “baster” as a self-identifier.
anyway this has been Behind the Basters
In french, "bâtard" meant "illegitate child", then "mongrel" so it makes sense
Jacque de Molly turns in his grave as Cecil Rhodes rides out again! - Killing Joke
You don't make money mining, you make money by selling shovels
Honestly though, if you're not going to have any power or rights anyway, I'd rather be married off to an older man at least. Can you imagine being equal to your siblings growing up and suddenly you are the slave of one of their friends?
5:45 "Hertfordshire" is usually pronounced "HEART-fed-shə" because the English don't want to change town spellings to match shifting sounds. The explanation I recall best is that written town names were subordinate to their spoken names for ages, but as the written word developed and English began standardizing, the spellings got sort of locked in place even as the pronunciations started to float away from the literal letters used in the spelling. Similar examples are "Derby" which is pronounced "DAH-bee" for some god-awful reason, and Gotham which is pronounced like "goat-əm." Derby, I don't know why the pronunciation ended up that way aside from the English Rose accent or whatever mushing up the a and e sounds, and Gotham being derived from the name "Got" and a word for village/home, "Ham." It doesn't help that English is the result of smashing together old Celtic, Germanic and Old Scandinavian languages, with a goodly pinch of Old French, so you get some weird spellings compared to pronunciation.
heres my recommendation for saying any english place name: squish all the sounds together and flatten them as much as possible. Brmnghm. Glcstr. Wrchstrshr. Grmsby. ideally you need at least a bottle of wine in you as well. maybe a quarter bottle of gin. just get real drunk to say the names
actually grimsby is one of the few that isn't a trick now that i think about it
yes i watch map men too thank you for noticing.
can someone link the coffee lol
Alternate title: "Be gay, do imperialism."
26:56 its funny to me that you should say that becuase i imagine its like walking into germany and finding a mc donalds
I have a portrait of him in my billiards room.
I have a potrait of Jeffrey Epstein in my bed room but you don't see me bragging about it publicly
17:57 sounds like autism to me...
They did this for diamonds which had no practical use then as it has now... sort of... Rich people be magpies...
Do Karl Marx !
People get mad when England and Britain are used interchangeably in the same way Americans would get mad if we started using "America" interchangeably with Canada or Mexico which wouldn't be inaccurate because technically 'America' refers to all 35 countries within the Americas and the United States of America is just one of those countries. Britain refers to 3 countries each with their own indiginous populations, languages, governance, art, culture and history. Wales and Scotland are distinct from England, but politically all 3 countries operate collectively under the name Great Britain.... that said it might actually have been more accurate to say he arrived in Britain than in England because at that time a lot of major shipping was done from West Wales which has the deepest natural water ports in the UK and is home to a string of awesome sea forts built during and after the Napoleonic era which were then upgraded and re-manned during the first and second world wars because they'd have been prime spots to land an invasion and establish a beachead- the French tried to invade near Fishguard, Wales during the Napoleonic wars.
@PostingCringeOnMain
No nation called itself ‘America’ until 1776, and that particular nation was the first in the New World to affect independence from a European power. No one outside the U.S. has ever referred to themselves as ‘American.’ It’s simply used as an excuse to express their whinging antiAmericanism(U.S.).
You got the town right, but the county wrong. "Hert" is pronounced like "heart". Not that you care lol
Day 600 of telling Americans it's not pronounced "Eh-part-hide", it's pronounced "Ah-parr(roll the 'r', like in Spanish for)-tate"
When words get borrowed into other languages, their pronunciations often shift. Many native English speakers can't even roll their 'r's.
@MrBromansa
Only Americans pronounce it incorrectly? No Canadians, Koreans or Italians do this? None?
People speak English in America. Americans can pronounce it with their own accents.
@@TheTokyoDrifter That's cool, Apartheid isn't an English word, but cool.
@@MrBromansa most people, American or otherwise, don't speak Afrikaans or Dutch. Being upset about this is approximately as silly as people with American and Scottish accented English arguing over which of them pronounces words correctly.
Suddenly advocating violence against children. Absolutely disgraceful. WTF
@rowanpost6063
Apparently, it is only disquieting if “fascists” do it.
It sounds more like HSP/SPS than autism, but he could have been autistic too en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_processing_sensitivity
Seriously, Texas isn't that big.
What state from the United States would you use instead for measurement?
@@merciless972 Which one has joined the 20th century and uses metric? That one.
@@merciless972 My state is at least 4 Delawares in size.
That story about the "who said you can't" guy just reminds me of a sales rep I met at work who said that with rent being so high he couldn't understand why people didn't just buy a house.
buy your houses from whom, ben? fuckin aquaman!?
@@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks Solid reference
1:08:15 that is _teenage Elon Musk walking into Tiffany & Co. with his dad's apartheid emeralds in his pocket to pawn them_ levels of flex
Connections is why people go to Oxford, even now, even now it's a foundation of British politics
De Beers: a b*stard is forever ;)
6:13 can confirm that looking into the history of Ye Olde English words can be a RIDE because of the history of the peoples that would eventually be forced to speak it throughout the Empire. You'll start with a trivial curiosity and find yourself in British Occupied India finding out it started as a loan word from that region and morphed into slang which shifted meaning six times and now it means something completely unrelated.
Sometimes its just interesting, but the the history of the English language is.... fraught
he's on the... " I did not know, I could not do that" level...ffsakes
Yo, Onyx is great coffee. They work so hard on doing right by their supplier!
Cecil Rhodes already showed narcissism at the age of five.
And tha Brits are still a at it.
Yet, the Prime Minister is Indian. The First Minister of Scotland is Pakistani. The First Minister of Wales is Zambian.
While you are doing white South Africans, consider doing an episode on the notable asshole Verwoerd and the ideological underpinnings of apartheid. Also, I learned about the Griquas from the Kimberly area in school in South Africa. Their territory was called Griqualand West. The British snatched it before the Boers could. I think the problem is that history is not a compulsory subject in highschool so most people drop it after 9th grade. When I went to school, it was taught in 11 grade, if I remember correctly, as part of the run-up to the First Anglo-Boer War and the South African War afterwards.
Ah yes. South Africa’s own Hitler. Some people you’re kinda happy about getting a**asinated (censored for the algorithm) 😉
K word he's referring to at 35:30 is K ᗩffir?
Yes
I figured it was 'the word one letter different to 'kite' that sounds similar' but I'll gladly admit ignorance to racial slur usage 😆 That's kind of an obscure old-timey one I think.
It does kind of sound like griqualand was the seed of a better future for south Africa cruelly stomped into nothingness before it could bloom.
Please don't get excited about the big hole in Kimberley. Kimberley is tiny, rundown town and the hole is just a large hole. Nothing is worth seeing in that part of South Africa.
13:44 my mum was partial to balling up napkins and throwing them at me and my siblings when we got sassy 😂
I think I understand where prop’s coming from regarding the discussion of “efficiency.” When someone expresses a Blaise attitude about the efficiency of something someone else is doing, especially someone they are close to, the other person may develop feelings of anxiety about their own abilities to do things, particularly if they already experience self-confidence issues. Efficiency is good, and it is important for partners to live in ways affable to each person involved in the relationship, but efficiency can feel upsetting when treated in terms of “being better than” rather than “cooperative arrangement.”
Apologies if I’m off base.
I can't speak to how well what you said fits with what Prop was saying, but you seem to be describing why I was so miserable with my ex with a high degree of accuracy.
"Y'all ain't invented sewers!"
Sorry dude, but you've got this one exactly wrong. London's world-leading sewage system opened in July 1870.
Omg yes the worst thing is to be in a relationship with a highly efficient person. And especially since I have ADHD, she just entirely lost patience with me and it devolved from there.
@kaitlynnp582
No one actually has ADHD. It is a fraudulent diagnosis which was created to sell medication.
We laugh for more reasons than merely liking something… laughter is low-key how we judge people’s morality and values. And that’s 100% how you should interpret this housemaid, she seems to be implying he only laughs at the toil and suffering of others and you clearly all know it… I don’t know why y’all are gaslighting this poor dead Irish woman
No she wasn't? She didn't give any hint to suggest that his laughter was directed at other people.