[hololive] Amane 'The Daughter' Kanata Speaks About The Church Incident [
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Kanata doing what she did made it peak cinema
That shot felt like a true gangster moment tbf, the moment a naive character becomes a hardass after being influenced by the underworld
Yeah I agree. Black Lagoon type stuff. Even how she described the meta of it with gaining that reflex from the robberies plays into that kind of narrative very well.
@@mysticruin6043 Black Cover, with Kanata in Revy costume
@@kos2919 I'd like to see it, even though it'd be pretty loose on her.
@@mysticruin6043 I like to imagine she stand proud on that Torpedo Boat only to look down and disappointed.
@@mysticruin6043 I like to imagine she stand proud on that Torpedo Boat only to look down and disappointed.
It was a masterstroke of theatrical timing. It completely subverted the typical rising climactic expectations with an unexpected sudden catharsis and elevated it into the realm of legendary. 10/10 Ending.
That shot was perfect.
All their experiences, collective and separate, throughout the server, brought them to that moment and they each made their own decisions.
In that moment, the daughter's determination prevailed.
The shot was iconic, she did good.
So basically suisei taking the daughter out to rob her first convenience store on day 1 is what planted the seed for this moment. Peak foreshadowing.
You could even say it was... peko foreshadowing
you did good kanata, hesitation is defeat
Lol, she literally had a ptsd moment when the director pulled out a knife that looked like a gun to her😅
yeah she's one of our precious dark souls players afterall, don't show any mercy
Girl is more trained gun user than most gun owner in the states lol
Huge props to IRyS for immediately resuscitating FBK iinchou. IRyS was dedicated to doing her profession as medic while some of the other medics were still absorbed on what will happen next.
i think other is far or thinking about is this scripted =))) like Katana, they didn't know about the plan
@@VINAGHOSTthe best part is there's no other plan going on in that place other than the wedding itself 😂
IRyS was dedicated to the drama and wanted to see some yandere
Luna was in like the 3rd last bench watching people drop like flies and not revive them, even for the sake of money
NTRys was dedicated to the ntr plot lol
Kanata shot to kill the moment Fubuki-iinchou tried pulling a weapon. Honestly, goated. And honestly, an iconic moment~~~
The shot was dramatic, surprising, and well-timed as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes its good to fall into dramatic tropes, but it's also good to break them. They couldn't have asked for better to move the family drama along.
Kanata has nothing to apologize for. That shot was perfectly timed and in-character for the daughter.
That scene was more than just Fubuki. The entire goofball family of Korone, Mio, and Kanata deserved to have their say in the action.
I don't think Fubuki had a plan, Korone and Mio certainly didn't. They were all waiting for someone to interfere, and Kanata was the perfect one to do it.
Honestly, the fact that Fubuki got shot in the face from the front makes that shot so much better than if someone in the audience shot her in the back. The fact that she didnt even hesitate also adds a bit more if you have seen Kanata's POV and seen her fail a few times to do crime because she hesitated. It took courage to take the gun out when you dont even know where a story is going and it took resolve to pull the trigger and commit to it.
I am curious as to how the event was gonna go if she either didnt kill the Director, or if she didnt interfere but theres already stories out there with that ending, this was different and it was fun in the end.
I for one, fully support the daughter's actions and I'm very glad how she sticked with Papa until the end when both decided to stay true to their characters and hit the strip club again lol. Kanata's role as the daughter was one of the best points that made the Pan family plot line work so well.
I understand her concerns and now I am definitely curious how it would've played out without Kanata's interference, but at the same time, she brought about an alternative peak moment with that headshot. Honestly, when that happened, I started questioning whether the whole thing was actually fully improvised, which just goes to show how well they played their roles. Hearing everyone's thoughts as they played their roles definitely eliminates my doubts.
Kanata took a risk by taking things into her own hands but successfully stirred the story into a perfectly valid direction and caused one of the most iconic moments in one of the most iconic scenes of the whole event.
"You hesitate for a moment, you die." Kanata's dragon training kicked in when she domed that man.
And Fubuki is the hesitated one. She were just standing still couple seconds after pulling out a knife and then just staring at Korone
Remember that Kanata once said that marriage is the graveyard of life? Well she proved that in holoGTA 😅
nah, kanata shot fubuki too quickly makes the situation 100 times funnier because its so unexpectedly funny and fit so much with the baker family drama theme lmao
As someone who primarily watches kanata's POV from the family drama, I think she's selling herself short here. The daughter has always been trying to mend the family back together, but always helpless and suffered the most from the events that transpired (like being the only casualty from the amusement park confrontation with lui). when the daughter shot the fox in the final day it was her finally taking action and completing her arc. if the wedding event doesn't feel satisfying, that's because you're only watching fubuki or korone's POV all this time.
Yeah, it was the perfect ending really. It really drove home that the arc wasn't any single holomen's story, it was the combination of each and everybody's story. It might have revolved around FubuMioKorone, but Kanata was just as much a MC here.
Also love that AZKi decided to go after Korone in the last days, adding the perfect spice to this.
@@Pzychotix the korone bad yandere ending with azki - a fitting end for the serial cheater who thought little of her wife´s feelings.
What do you mean Korone was unfazed by Azki think she even hooked up with Okayu afterwards Mio was the true cheater so its for the best she ended up with that degenerate fox gambler
Though she does have a point in that she did act a little too quick, she couldn't have known that Fubuki was also just improvising, but it still ended up being one of the most entertaining moments in Holo GTA
@@Redmanticore I always put that event as the DVD extra bonus of unused ending.
There was never a "script". Fubuki said in her reflection stream she was just going to stab Korone and just improv from there. Whoever said she shot too quick was speaking in character (I think it was Fubuki but I need to check).
Chat was telling her this. But I hope with more rp experience, she'll come to the realise herself that she played her part perfectly in giving us one of the best stories from Holo rp.
I think Kanata did everything right from the point of view as a role-player and a content creator. She played the role of the daughter really well and I think taking the shot was right the move as the daughter. In the end. the comments I saw about that were more impressed about that clean headshot than mad about it.
Yes, that blocked FKB's idea a bit but it fits well into the narrative. I think it was more of a mistake to revive director on the spot without handcuffing him and giving him a second chance to stab.
BUT it doesn't matter anyways, it was a lot of fun and that is the most important thing. I liked it that nobody took things too serious, that it wasn't about winning, it was about having fun and a good story. In that they ALL succeeded. Every story, small or big, was fun to watch.
I really hope we get a season of HoloGTA.
Say no more Kanatan.. that headshot camera screenshot is pure cinema
Nah she overthinking, that was perfect because throughout the story she was getting kinda dragged around by the rest members, but at this moment she finally took action
personally I love kanata shot first that early. it's just so unexpected it's hilarious. it also made fubuki character more comical and pitiable. I laugh so hard when fubuki get revived then tried to kill korone again but got beaten up again by korone. story wise, it understandable when mio finally chose the persistent fubuki instead of the cheating korone.
Don't forget Polka blowing up the altar and it killed Mio and many people. It felt like Polka the journalist who fed up with crime and corruption and decided to take justice in her own hands
Kanata : So anyway, I started blasting
Meavwhile, Polka was grining on the front seat, counting every second, so the whole church could go boom.
Polka:
"For years I saw the city getting more corrupt and crime goes rampant. The police is too impotent to stop them. So I decided to dish out my own justice"
Thus start the Polka anti-hero act.
In my opinion from FBK perspective it felt like an "O Juliet..." moment where the director died meaninglessly just as Romeo had😂
Listening to Kanata here she sounds really similar to Mio. Somehow they played their role too seriously it affected them emotionally.
Nothing wrong with that. I like actors who are immersed in their characters. It makes the climax feel real.
Method acting I guess, might expect Fubuki bring her emotes in irl occurrences
@@hibatyolian2967subaru said on her latest stream that they got together to eat and the roleplay voices would sometimes come out. Like Mio being a mama or FBK talking like a fox.
@@WD_Batora Well I hope Fubuki enters the place with her usual pose and "doumo, doumo".
@@hibatyolian2967 ah yes, The evil "bondrewd" pose. Fubuki really enjoyed giving off that aura of being dangerous.
People have to understand this is all unscripted so they have no idea what the other players are doing, so you get what you get and just go with the flow.
I probably would have enjoyed Fubuki’s continued improv, but that headshot made me burst out laughing and the daughter going THIS FUCKING WEDDING IS HAPPENING really endeared me to that.
I thought the whole thing was really good drama. Kanata had her gun out, but nobody saw, because her hand was hidden by the altar. I thought that was a cool detail.
More like everyone was too focused on FBK and engrossed in drama they forget to check on who's shooting. Also Korone decided to start their vow and kiss afterward change the focus on the couple.
In another clip stream there was a joke made about one of the holomem, in GTA, losing their parents and becoming Batman. I joked it should be Kanata. Then this happened and I could not stop laughing.
Yes, I understand it likely messed up the actual scene, and that scene might have been more dramatic, but the image of the protective daughter quick drawing and shooting like, "NOONE INTERRUPTS THIS MARRAGE!" was just too awesome.
I must have laughed for a solid minute. Fantastic.
I mean, Mio did die in the explosion afterwards, so that might have turned her into Batwoman anyway, seeing a loving mother get blown up in front of you. I could see a vigi turnout on that end. lol
Kanatas quick draw was badass. I hope the "backlash" doesnt prevent her from acting in certain ways in future role plays.
I was surprised when I watched this through Kanata's pov. It caught me off guard. I still remember how excited she was about the ingame smartphone feature on this server, and now she's improved this much. The only thing I didn't like is that she overthinks too much. From the beginning, they said that as long as you're having fun, that's all that matters.
The lessons learned from a sword saint and not easily forgotten. Hesitation is defeat
This was by FAR one of the funniest moments of the whole series. I never knew how good hololive would be at role-playing.
Kanata is learning the importance of not being hesitant in a gun fight. Girl is way more trained gun user than most American gun owners lol
Some people think Katana shoot too early and it's a bad move for the story,
but in the end, this is the BEST move, I will tell you why.
1. It builds up the story about the strongest papa that never die or lose to anyone till the end
2. It prevented Fubuki to be the completely bad guy (a murderer in story) which;
3. Made the secret ending where Mio ended up with Fubuki became perfect
(Fubuki is the true good guy at the end, thanks to Kanata for stopping him from committing an irrevocable crime.)
Neither Fubuki or Korone were ever true good or bad guys. Even the grenade at the end, if you catch the right clip, it was Koyori's grenade that sent Mio flying, not Korone. Though its funnier this way when Korone and Mio both thought it was Korone.
and fubuki herself said - i think theres a translated youtube clip of fubuki watching the wedding again - that it was good for her character she was stopped without being able to murder at the wedding, that it could imply her character had last minute doubt of actually using the knife.
1. To be honest it's less about strongest papa but more like Korone as the flawed main character in Breaking Bread saga. I believe the story ended with Polka blowing up the altar and she lost the love of her life.
2. FBK is still a villain, she even did a villain escape with the help of the whole medical crew
3. The secret ending felt more like unused alternate ending where the wedding never happened, they broke up, Mio and FBK is now a couple and Korone and Kanata enjoying single (and gangster) life.
After that red flag chat with Subaru at the end of day 6, I think everyone expected Subaru to be the one who stop Fubuki. Who knows what the actual 'script' ending is, but I'll take this actual ending since it ties up the story quite nicely
It was very 'The Departed' type of shot where Leonardo Dicaprio gets unexpectedly capped while exiting elevator. Made it less 'soap opera' like which is good.
You were part of this play right from day 1, Kanata!
She pulled out her piece and shot almost immediately after seeing the knife.
my head canon is fubuki was indeed took a shot to the head but the mask somehow in some way slow down the bullet so it's not a lethal shot. At the end of the day people need to get a bit more creative and not getting too heated because it's not reality, roleplaying is all about flexibility both from the actors and the audiences
tbf, it's still a nice twist to the story. Audiences expected Fubuki to stab Korone, Korone dies and so on, but instead Kanata headshot provides the twist and Fubuki still revived anyway, and had another shot (or stab I guess)
I also loved the dialogue before the headshot .
Fubuki : "Don't you think it's a sad excuse for the world, to have such rotten people being happy?"
Kanata: "In that place, everyone can be happy,"
Fubuki : Dont know where we are? This is Los Santos!
Only after that, Fubuki dramatically showed her knife, which was repelled by a quick shot from Kanata. It was a perfect setup for the guardian angel to protect the house of god and secure a marriage.
@@hibatyolian2967NTRys be like "nah this shit spicy, keep it goin"
Honestly, as much as I love how they've all planned and put together this story, I really do like how Kanata played this moment. I'm kind of in agreement with the daughter POV of this and enjoyed it from a cinematic perspective, but I can understand Fubuki wishing she'd gotten to finish her scene as she intended too. Respect to her for being a good sport about it.
I've experienced this kind of thing in RP before from Fubuki's position and imo sometimes it is fine to just let the story take those little unexpected pivots from other participants.
Funny she said that the shot she thought cut the drama short actually makes the drama better.. 😂
i love kanataso a lot as a daughter, she's always trying to mend the family while papa's beating up mama lol
as an audience member you can either embrace the chaos that comes from truly (largely) unscripted roleplay and get treated to the series of amazing coincidences and a splendid demonstration of the improvisonational acting skills of the talents. Or you can get calculated, well-acted out scenes that fall in line with how you would expect a scripted television drama to go.
I was watching Fubuki's POV at the time so even I was a bit shocked and a little disappointed by how quickly she was shot, but I think they played it off well and the turn of events ended up being a lot more believable than how it might've gone othewise. A lot more in line with Fubuki's character as well. So, yes, Kanata was a little quick on the draw but the genuine shock all of us felt in the audience when fubuki was shot was more valuable at the end of the day I think.
I dont want to put blame but the one at fault is not kanata, it was the people that couldn't keep up.
The moment was hilarious and that’s the most important part. The story got really good at points, but you should look at it as a comedy, and not take it so seriously.
Amane "QuickDraw" Kanata
Also I dunno if anyone noticed this or maybe things changed somewhere in the actual streams (I watched a compilation) but didn’t Kanata also use a gun given to her by her father (korone) cause she lost hers, if so that’s just the cherry on top of symbolism right there among everything else!
I watched that clip. Kanata's gun was gone (I think she had it confiscated?) So on the final day, Korone mentioned going to get her gun to defend herself if FBK came. Kanata then said she had Korone's gun and Korone said "Ok, its your inheritance". So yes it was Korone's gun in Kanata's hand that defended her family.
Imo, they played that very nicely scripted or not
That gori really use her Q button with 0 hesitation lol
Truely it was unexpected turn out, but an interesting turning point by all accounts none the less
If not Kanata's shot, there would be completly different ending. Korone wouldnt have any chances vs Fubu with knife at that short moment. Then the actual crucial fight was started and it was epic. Fubu failed to get her knife out after falling, but she still could just beat Korone to death, and then Fubu made a mistake putting a knife out when Koro were having low hp, and next Korone used that and did a huge contrattack and with that she proved her strength once again. It made Fubuki not complete villain, and the cheating shot made Bakery family not completly good side even, which gived a chance to make "Fuby X Mio" ending real.
I guess so, that if Hospital Doctor get able to stab Korone and maybe even Mio, then Mio, getting harassed by Korone grenades would just endure that because she wont chose an other man that made her wedding destroyed and killed them right? He is not any better. And she cant just leave the family and stay alone. I more like the way things actually turned out. The Kanata's shot was actually epic from the crowd side - the cool falling of Fubuki and everyone screaming was wonderful. Try check theire Povs, Suisei or FUMC.
I doesnt really thought that the whole wedding thing went the wrong way as someone may think. Fubuki could make some more content there at wedding, but its already was an absolute cinema, and that wedding moment still sits in my head even after a week. The Hospital Director's frustrated retribution ended up getting defeated without killing anyone is so emotional.
I enjoyed that part. Yes it would have been more drama if the fox succeeded but it was after the fox was revived and then papa knocked him out to me that showed that he was the alpha dog of his family. The true ending had me laughing cause I thought the wedding ended the saga on a good note but what I got was the comedic ending which I was not expecting and glad I got.
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No way someone clip from kanata pov
Kanata got forgotten by a lot of EN clippers kinda sad but this comment is pretty funny.
I felt that the moment Coco's gone, most EN clippers just forget that Kanata existed.
I think someone signals fubuki when to enter, but kanata action is justified. Cause this family is all she had
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You know now that she mentioned it, during the moment it genuinely never occurred to me that she had technically shot first before that was an obvious threat of violence and the cops who might now have seen then the knife didn’t actually do anything. I guess they were also caught up in the moment and not entirely sure what was going on at the alter either.
I mostly watched Fubuki throughout the server arc, and when she got shot at the time it seemed lame, but only because I thought some random/cop in the audience shot her and injected themselves into the plot. When I found out it was Kanata it was a relief because that made complete sense in the Panya family plotline. The thing about improv is you may have an idea for how things will go, but you have to accept when it runs another direction. Fubuki's intent would have been fun to see, but Kanata's reaction was entirely fine and also played out well. (Plus it seems Korone was invulnerable anyway so it couldn't have gone as Fubuki intended anyway, I think.)
Even AZKi's yandere bombing can't scratch Koroshiro's invincible body lol. The only thing that works is self harm as shown when Korone's grenade exploded in her hand on the black market after the wedding.
Korone wasn't invincible during the fight with Fubuki. You can see on Korone's pov that she was almost dead after their brawl in the altar. She was then healed and made god after Fubuki was down (the 2nd time).
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke Hm. I figured she was invuln before since Fubuki pulled her knife and attempted to stab after getting rezzed but still only ended up punching.
@@Argenolf You talking about the bomb in the church? If so, that was Polka. She attached C4 to the altar.
@@TotemoGaijin not that one, the one after the fireworks where Koromio divorce and KoroKanata goes to Cabaret Club and wed AZKi. Kanata even headshoting Korone several times there. Well, maybe I shouldn't use word bombing as AZKi use grenade not C4.
the moment take down fubuki it was better for corone
It would be kinda bad from spectacle perspective if the shot wasn't perfect.
I was watching the incident from Suisei's point of view, and everyone was so confused after the shot because they couldn't see who shot Fubuki. In that moment, I felt that the unfolding story was ruined because there was a twist but the follow up on why and how the twist happened was missing. I think Kanata's choice to shoot early was fine, but no one saw the shot and didn't hear her say, "Let's proceed."
If the police had seen the shot and heard it better (no silencer), they could have arrested Kanata and Fubuki before the vows, and that would have been a nice ending to the wedding too. The people left at the wedding would have had to role-play their way to a new conclusion, either proceed with a different priest or some other crazy thing could have started.
Interesting observation. I was watching Ina's POV. It was fairly clear Kanata shot Fubs but I was still a little let down. I felt the climax of the scene was not reached yet. The build up was suddenly cut short.
I didn't know Kanata's backstory though. Looking at it now from the daughter's perspective and not inchou's, it made much more sense.
@@Zengkoy I had to go and check a few POVs, and it seems that quite a few police did see it or could have seen it, but they were sitting down and were focused on Fubuki. Miko specifically saw it and was pointing her gun at Kanata for a second, but was unsure what to do, which is totally understandable. Everything was fine in the end, and there is no point in getting upset because most of it is improv anyway.
In a roleplaying improv situation, in a LARP like this, unless there is an actual script or people are notified whether they should or should not do something _anything_ is fair game. I have seen time and again how some individually-planned speech, monologue or soliloquy goes awry because the player assumed everyone would stop what they were doing. That like in a roleplaying game the world stops for the MC dialogue. It does not and it should not. Everyone is a MC. Everyone's character has their own motivations, history and personality. If you walk in to a wedding, rudely interrupt, insult the groom and pull a weapon _in front of a dozen police officers_ you should expect _someone_ to do _something_ .
Kanata's worry in the moment that she interrupted Fubuki's plan is fair. Sometimes in playing a character you accidentally trip over, tangle up or even cut someone's plot thread. The fact is that she, in that moment, worried if what she had done disrupted someone else's story while Fubuki, planning this out the day before, seemingly never considered everyone else in the church as more than an audience.
As a daughter who grew up in Holo Santos she's probably on point in just shooting but she's also wrong in the rp and streamer standpoint.
I still would like to believe the manga art where Kanata is actually Fubuki and Mio's daughter because of the gray hair.
as FBK said, everyone's roleplay being built upon coincidences and even more coincidences is what made the whole thing fun..while we can agree that Kanata kinda ruined the climax I'm sure we can also agree that the shock of seeing FBK-Iinchou getting shot also sent our hearts racing
I didn't think the climax was ruined. I think the shot out of nowhere and the equally sudden reemerging of the Doctor gave us a more exciting and for the setting appropriately violent conclusion than what might have been a morally overloaded monologue leading directly into the predictable final battle. I like how things played out and the forgotten daughter throwing a wrench into the main players' plans is a testimony for the richness of character stories we've gotten out of HoloGTA
speak for yourself we aint agreeing with your ass
Not to hate on Fubuki or anything, but her speech went on for way too long that I can't blame Kanata for shooting as soon as she did lmao
Your opinions are irrelevant. It's Kanata's role, and how she feels about it is the only thing that matters.
I totally get what Kanata is saying here. She feels that she ruined the climax and yeah in a way, she did.
But at the end of the end, it's all good fun, and as long as the talents had fun, i had too so she doesn't need to be so harsh on herself.
I love Kanata
Got me rofl, literally. 😂
Some people think Katana shoot too early and it's a bad move for the story,
but in the end, this is the BEST move, I will tell you why.
1. It builds up the story about the strongest papa that never die or lose to anyone till the end
2. It prevented Fubuki to be the completely bad guy (a murderer in story) which;
3. Made the secret ending where Mio ended up with Fubuki became perfect
(Fubuki is the true good guy at the end, thanks to Kanata for stopping him from committing an irrevocable crime.)
Not really. If Kanata didn't pull the trigger at the time, I don't think we'll have the same events that happened after. Maybe we won't have Polka planting the bomb in the altar, no god-mode Korone, maybe the bakery family stays together until the end, and Fubuki doesn't get her redemption arc, and no yandere Azki ending, and etc. Butterfly effect.