*Number one: Ashes will be a long-term success because Steven and John are in control.* *I think the tiny $15 to-try Ashes will equal a Tidal wave of players, new game FOMO will be powerful motivation.* *Also, word-of-mouth will cause Ashes numbers to go UP after launch, as retired gamers return to the battlefield.*
I think the community knows mmos are a huge risk and people aren't going to want to piss away $15 trying an unknown element out. Lots of games from unknown developers try this model and I can think of at least 5 without even trying, that failed. I have been trying to think of one that succeeded and so far, can not.
I read a lot of things about details and what not... I'm not too worried about that. IMHO They need CONTENT. Not just "enough" to do. But ABUNDAND things to do. Sollid daily systems, solid weekly systems, monthlies. Constant special events! Constant fun stuff to do! New chapters to the story! LOADS AND LOADS of quality content.
dailies? is this really what people want from their MMOs? stuff like that always ends up feeling tedious and then people resent having to log in. those systems aren’t interesting
i disagree with you on the daily/weekly systems. in other MMO's i've played (WoW, FFXIV, others), that was what made me bored of those games. the repetitiveness of doing those mindless farms over and over again. I agree that there should be an abundandmend of content. but daily/weekly challanges make MMO's very boring imo
Longevity is based on the reset mechanic regarding node stages. This drives a sense of achievement and objectives that is constantly changing due to player interactions. This creates a pvp end game that doesn’t require new content patches to remain exciting and relevant for years. Biggest risk is player base dropping and empty/merging servers. Ashes cant do “layers” of players like a lot of other mmos. Server merges will completely destroy the node progress (which is where its longevity comes from) causing players to feel like their effort is worthless or up to the whim of their server population staying or quitting. This also heavily ties into launch problems. If they launch with too many servers, in order to capture all the interested people, then a couple months later when the population drops to 10% we will see massive server merges etc, causing the downward spiral. This player base drop will happen regardless of how good the game is. Ashes launch will attract a lot of people, and many of those people, even if they like the game, will have girlfriends/boyfriends and lives, and jobs, and hobbies that interfere with MMO gaming playtime.
Yeah I think if there's one round of merges within the first 6 months, there's going to be several more shortly after. Merges will be so punishing in Ashes.
@@TheCopiumClinic I was thinking about it today and maybe the problem isn't as bad. I recall a forum thread where people were talking about portals from one world to another as an in-game method for server transfer. Perhaps this idea could be expanded on by linking servers with portals to help aid with player fluctuations. A multiverse of Verras, interconnected at the devs discretion to even out the player base and economies when some servers are getting too big and others too small.
Something Steven alluded to in the last live stream got me thinking about server merges. He talked about the corrupted areas and how players need to constantly be fight back against corruption or it will grow. If there isn't enough players on the server to keep the corruption beat back , will it grow and force players into areas where the only exit eventually is a portal that take the player to another server ?
@@tonydalimata that makes a lot of sense to me. It could even be a merge that fluctuates in usable (uncorrupted) nodes in response to player numbers/interactions.
As an avid EVE player and former NW guild leader, I am trying not to get my hopes up but I am slowly becoming very excited for this game's future. I am enjoying your content. Within my small group of mmo friends, and with the way I fly in EVE, I look forward to possibly being a marauder type guild with zero allegiance to anyone within the political sphere on an Ashes server. I love the tranquility server aspect of EVE. The potential David vs Goliath end game loop.. being a pirate.. viking.. antagonist... that is the arch type I look forward to playing. Show up purely to pvp, paid to or not, and win. Nomadic in nature with no way to evict. Vouch only small scale. 15-30 tops, max form. High quality teamwork with great synergies on comms, theory crafting how to fight against zerg with only a few good players.. a place where skill can be on full display. Would love to have that open world NW pvp experience again in Ashes with cherry picked proven mechanics that EVE does right. Organic, meaningful PVP that has widespread effects over the server. I want to blockade your trade route and steal from the empire, become a thorn. Antagonize to create violence, chaos and drama, simply to murder and spill blood. Become villainized and gain a reputation where people WANT to pvp you. Test their might. Fear your presence in a battle. Try to buy your guilds temporary loyalty. Become a nemesis. Turn the tides of a fight, be a noble savage with no skin in the game other than the performance of the fight. All of these play styles can be realized in eve. Magic takes place on the EVE server, stories that the players create with the tools given. If Ashes continue to embrace hardcore pvp, embrace that world that I would love to game within, a unforgiving place where skill is rewarded.. then there is such a massive potential for fun to be had. I hope Ashes can be pulled off. TLDR: Let me roam around with my buddies and frag out.
Combat is my main concern honestly. The current iteration of combat isn't stunning and I'm hoping they can continue to improve on the convincingness of the combat so you feel like you are unleashing hell on your opponent.
Well if you seen the new Ranger update that should be much less of a worry. But I'm with you, I've been a nuisance over on the forums about this same topic. The entire game can be real great, but if the combat sucks the whole game will flop, hard. That's because a game like this entirely revolves around 2 things, combat and community. All the professions, the dungeons, the potions, the skills, the talent trees, the seasons, the animals, the boats, everything revolves around combat. And the Gods honest truth is, if they can't hit WoWs level(the best combat in any MMO) of fun, of smoothness and polish, I think unfortunately it's going to rub people the wrong way. That's why I said on the forums man they can do whatever the hell they want with the game, make it unique, but they weren't looking like they were gonna nail the combat at all and they needed to be honest with themselves, if they can't do it then they need to just hard copy WoW straight up. Like Asmongold has said and any veteran player knows, it's entirely the reason why WoW is as popular as it is, the combat is the best in town, it's insanely smooth and polished, and pretty well thought out.
So far my main complaint is lack of variety in play styles. It won't matter for a while, but they need to make it extendable like GW2. Balance will be an issue as you add more stuff, so having a method to prevent power creep would be nice.
SticQeno hit it right on the head for me with regard to the completion mindset. I'm a collector in games. I hoard everything that isn't junk, and even then I still hoard a lot of junk. I find myself playing games to complete goals and when they don't have a goal to be reached, I end up losing interest. That isn't to say that there are definitely games with lots of replayability that don't necessarily have a major 'goal' in mind but I feel overall in terms of MMO playerbase, people want something to do, a way to reach that goal, then another one to do next week. Rinse and repeat. I am excited to see how the PvE systems come into play with the fully open PvP aspect, and if people can resist being gank-happy blood mongrels for long enough to work together to do world-scale content, raids, and even potentially PUGs for dungeons.
Doc, you seemed to have mastered the Art of The Cliffhanger (or The Tease, maybe). I'm both giving you kudos on it and melodramatically condemning it (tongue-in-cheek, of course).
I do not understand :) Lack of Puplisher. If they ask me, they should pick Snail Games as their puplisher! after i saw how much quality work we got because of their Expertise, oh my lord . 🤣 But yeah that is a really good point, to dont have a pupliser and keep the project in the own hands. thanks for another nice Video :)
What ashes needs to hold players longterm in my opinion is a completion System like in gw2. Something to complete and get rewarded for, with either medals, skins, items, nameplates, tags or titels. Something to show others your achievements. It will also give intrepid the incentive to provide and the ability to promote activities/challanges in the game
I've never been a completionist or an achievement getter, but I see absolutely no reason these things shouldn't be in the game. 0 downside, 100% upside, no brainer. Minus the skin part. I don't like skins, I like seeing what other people are wearing in an MMO, but it's a small gripe. It's p2w with visual progression, but its not true p2w, it's the line before actual p2w. If that monetization keeps the greed in their hearts at bay so they don't feel the need to unleash the true p2w microtransaction plague upon it's community, then so be it.
If AoC has 99.9% of everything Stephen has said it was(excluding things that's already been changed of course), and it's polished, smooth, bug free.... It's going to BLOW players fucking minds, excuse my French. I've seen Stephen talk enough about the game and have a good enough grasp on it all, i've seen his passion well enough to know there's 0% chance any of the upcoming MMOs are going to take from it long term(there's no way another team exists on earth right now with this level of insight into the genre and passion) and while no, it's not going to straight up kill all other MMOs because it is kind of unique and niche, fun is fun. Just about every MMO player has some fundamental similarities in their preferences of games, the same thing that is not only the foundation to fun games in general, but to great MMOs, something Intrepid seems to know very well.
HA! i love these kind of video, i like seeing what other people think and they have some Merit. my prediction A2 last untill summer of 25, and game will launch sometime around Nov of 25.
AoC won't pull that many players off of other games. It will however be a good option for the _many_ players that are dissatisfied with many currently running MMOs. I didn't play an MMO for more than a couple weeks each in the past 5-6 years but I still want to. Just think that most MMOs right now are not worthy of being played.
If they want to succeed, give people a 1 month free trial with a level cap and then sell them the game. None of this "free to play, give us your paycheck to enjoy" bullshit. Cash shop should be optional. Blast on blizzard all you want but they did D4 right in that you have plenty of in game customization options without having to go to the cash shop. And that's important. Guild wars 2 is another shining example of a pay to play game with an optional cash shop (that's admittedly too predatory with it's "convenience" options) that gives you more to earn in game than in the shop for most things.
9:30 I actually doubt that ESO players would be that much interested in AoE just because there is forced pvp. ESO is very relax and casual friendly game with no pvp outside the pvp zone. But this is just my opinion.
I have read on the internet this game will have loot drop on death, and this is somethig I would not be into since there is already open pvp, and you could die 10 times before getting to where you are going and could lose all your gear? Has this been confimred that there is loot drop on death? I was looking on the forms, and seems it is.
You won't drop completed gear. The only way you can lose your gear is if you've been ganking the unwilling. You'll drop some materials on death, but certain bags can mitigate that.
Hello. I don't follow Ashes of Creation that closely is there any chance that this game will release in 2024 or should I hold off on getting excited for another year?
"JUST PUT SOMETHING OUT BRO" Ashes will make it if they can launch the game with a comparable amount of content to games like FF14 and WoW. They won't make it if they can't compete because at the end of the day, it will be compared to every other MMO out there despite not having years of content and time to patch and make balance updates. Patience is the secret. People want to play the game and constantly feel like there's something to do.
"they really need to nail the launch" are you kidding me? Im not saying I dont think ashes will nail it cause I do. But they really do not when you look at the competition in the mmo market, rofl.
While I agree to a point, you say this like subscription based is somehow going to guarantee a lack of cash shop/fomo/predatory marketing. We can hope that's the reality of how it all plays out but simply being sub based is zero proof of that
9:55 - I fully agree. Entire ESO community will come over to Ashes. There is and WAS a huge community around ESO PvP, they will love Ashes PvX. Also the roleplaying and raid community of ESO will enjoy Ashes. Only thing about ESO PvP community is that they are toxic lol. And this comes from someone that has over 9000 hours in Cyrodiil.
I actually think that ESO wouldnt be interested in the forced pvp in AoE. At least from my experience in ESO its very casual friendly game with not that much competitiveness. But maybe you are right, and I agree completely that the pvp community is very toxic.
You have don't have many options when it comes to the que. The que is there so you don't get left with a bunch of dead servers after launcher. 2 remedies are layering like in WoW which is essentially a hoppable server within a server, that auto-balances when people log on/off, but is joined within the chat channels. The other remedy is what I believe Intrepid will be taking which is merging dead servers with other servers. Considering the type of game AoC is with the node system... man both those options kind of suck, kind of really suck, almost not viable whatsoever. So IDK man, ques sound like the best option for AoC
Ashes will sustain in a world of MMO's because it with be ever changing and dynamic and unlike any other MMO before it. AoC will take it's player base from almost all MMO's (WoW FFXIV), but MOST of its' player base (like ME) will come from disenfranchised players who have given up on the P2W BS crap in the space today. BG3 crowd, the players waiting in the shadows.
This is presumptuous as hell. To say this game is going to peel anyone is just crazy. Think about what you're saying here. So many people thought the same of new world. Albion. Many others released over the years. Every new MMO heralded as the "X killer" (insert whichever dominating MMO I wish). They all tanked. The point is to manage your expectations. As a community we need to help them focus on straying from what made others fail. But I'd not be buying stock in any new MMO right now.
if you don't think people are playing WoW, BDO, ESO and many others just because they don't have something better to play you're delusional. I didn't say it would KILL any game, nor did I imply it would take most of any game's player base. I said it would take some from everywhere, but that MOST would come from people who aren't even PLAYING an MMO cause they've given up on the P2W BS. You think AoC is going to tank? that's great, good for you, don't buy it, don't play it, GL 2 U. I however think it will succeed, my opinion and expectations have been developed over MANY years, and I didn't arrive here lightly. I didn't invest in Ultima Online when it was selling land in Pre-Release (and I almost did), I spent a little too much on BDO before I gave up. It is with A LOT of experience and knowledge that I say AoC will succeed where many others have failed... and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. 250 for A2, Done, 250 for kids hospital, Done, if they want another 250 I'm down. It's my money I'll toss it away how ever I see fit. But great idead.. buying stock in Intrepid !.! TY
AoC is going to face real challenges. If only the Elites get to enjoy the content, why should the Casuals, Solo'ers, or even Small Guilds pay the same monthly fee? Why would a player join months later and stick around with such slight odds of progression? How about the Elites whose server gets merged? Not too many people are going to like losing their Towns, Castles, or FreeHolds. MMO's require the Masses, it's literally in the name. I'm a bit concerned most people chasing the carrot are going to be beaten with the stick. I'm hopeful, but only time will tell.
*Number one: Ashes will be a long-term success because Steven and John are in control.*
*I think the tiny $15 to-try Ashes will equal a Tidal wave of players, new game FOMO will be powerful motivation.*
*Also, word-of-mouth will cause Ashes numbers to go UP after launch, as retired gamers return to the battlefield.*
Totally agree!
I think the community knows mmos are a huge risk and people aren't going to want to piss away $15 trying an unknown element out. Lots of games from unknown developers try this model and I can think of at least 5 without even trying, that failed. I have been trying to think of one that succeeded and so far, can not.
Short answer to the first question is immersion. Seeing your actions actually impacting the world.
Dude YES. Consequential actions.
Damn, didn’t really think about the publisher
Me neither! Xillin dropping truth bombs.
I with Burns on the Rings of Power, Send them to the LotR re-education camp.
Nuke! I was just watching the most recent tangents podcast with you. Fun listen!
I read a lot of things about details and what not... I'm not too worried about that. IMHO They need CONTENT. Not just "enough" to do. But ABUNDAND things to do. Sollid daily systems, solid weekly systems, monthlies. Constant special events! Constant fun stuff to do! New chapters to the story! LOADS AND LOADS of quality content.
Dear God please not the back to back events
dailies? is this really what people want from their MMOs? stuff like that always ends up feeling tedious and then people resent having to log in.
those systems aren’t interesting
i disagree with you on the daily/weekly systems. in other MMO's i've played (WoW, FFXIV, others), that was what made me bored of those games. the repetitiveness of doing those mindless farms over and over again. I agree that there should be an abundandmend of content. but daily/weekly challanges make MMO's very boring imo
Longevity is based on the reset mechanic regarding node stages. This drives a sense of achievement and objectives that is constantly changing due to player interactions. This creates a pvp end game that doesn’t require new content patches to remain exciting and relevant for years.
Biggest risk is player base dropping and empty/merging servers. Ashes cant do “layers” of players like a lot of other mmos. Server merges will completely destroy the node progress (which is where its longevity comes from) causing players to feel like their effort is worthless or up to the whim of their server population staying or quitting.
This also heavily ties into launch problems. If they launch with too many servers, in order to capture all the interested people, then a couple months later when the population drops to 10% we will see massive server merges etc, causing the downward spiral.
This player base drop will happen regardless of how good the game is. Ashes launch will attract a lot of people, and many of those people, even if they like the game, will have girlfriends/boyfriends and lives, and jobs, and hobbies that interfere with MMO gaming playtime.
Yeah I think if there's one round of merges within the first 6 months, there's going to be several more shortly after. Merges will be so punishing in Ashes.
@@TheCopiumClinic I was thinking about it today and maybe the problem isn't as bad. I recall a forum thread where people were talking about portals from one world to another as an in-game method for server transfer. Perhaps this idea could be expanded on by linking servers with portals to help aid with player fluctuations. A multiverse of Verras, interconnected at the devs discretion to even out the player base and economies when some servers are getting too big and others too small.
Something Steven alluded to in the last live stream got me thinking about server merges.
He talked about the corrupted areas and how players need to constantly be fight back against corruption or it will grow.
If there isn't enough players on the server to keep the corruption beat back , will it grow and force players into areas where the only exit eventually is a portal that take the player to another server ?
@@tonydalimata great thought!
@@tonydalimata that makes a lot of sense to me. It could even be a merge that fluctuates in usable (uncorrupted) nodes in response to player numbers/interactions.
As an avid EVE player and former NW guild leader, I am trying not to get my hopes up but I am slowly becoming very excited for this game's future. I am enjoying your content. Within my small group of mmo friends, and with the way I fly in EVE, I look forward to possibly being a marauder type guild with zero allegiance to anyone within the political sphere on an Ashes server. I love the tranquility server aspect of EVE. The potential David vs Goliath end game loop.. being a pirate.. viking.. antagonist... that is the arch type I look forward to playing. Show up purely to pvp, paid to or not, and win. Nomadic in nature with no way to evict. Vouch only small scale. 15-30 tops, max form. High quality teamwork with great synergies on comms, theory crafting how to fight against zerg with only a few good players.. a place where skill can be on full display. Would love to have that open world NW pvp experience again in Ashes with cherry picked proven mechanics that EVE does right. Organic, meaningful PVP that has widespread effects over the server. I want to blockade your trade route and steal from the empire, become a thorn. Antagonize to create violence, chaos and drama, simply to murder and spill blood. Become villainized and gain a reputation where people WANT to pvp you. Test their might. Fear your presence in a battle. Try to buy your guilds temporary loyalty. Become a nemesis. Turn the tides of a fight, be a noble savage with no skin in the game other than the performance of the fight. All of these play styles can be realized in eve. Magic takes place on the EVE server, stories that the players create with the tools given. If Ashes continue to embrace hardcore pvp, embrace that world that I would love to game within, a unforgiving place where skill is rewarded.. then there is such a massive potential for fun to be had. I hope Ashes can be pulled off.
TLDR: Let me roam around with my buddies and frag out.
Yes dude! Embrace the copium!
Combat is my main concern honestly. The current iteration of combat isn't stunning and I'm hoping they can continue to improve on the convincingness of the combat so you feel like you are unleashing hell on your opponent.
Big time! That’s probably going to be my biggest point of feedback during A2.
Well if you seen the new Ranger update that should be much less of a worry. But I'm with you, I've been a nuisance over on the forums about this same topic. The entire game can be real great, but if the combat sucks the whole game will flop, hard. That's because a game like this entirely revolves around 2 things, combat and community.
All the professions, the dungeons, the potions, the skills, the talent trees, the seasons, the animals, the boats, everything revolves around combat. And the Gods honest truth is, if they can't hit WoWs level(the best combat in any MMO) of fun, of smoothness and polish, I think unfortunately it's going to rub people the wrong way.
That's why I said on the forums man they can do whatever the hell they want with the game, make it unique, but they weren't looking like they were gonna nail the combat at all and they needed to be honest with themselves, if they can't do it then they need to just hard copy WoW straight up. Like Asmongold has said and any veteran player knows, it's entirely the reason why WoW is as popular as it is, the combat is the best in town, it's insanely smooth and polished, and pretty well thought out.
@@PherPhur combat and community. Love it!
So far my main complaint is lack of variety in play styles. It won't matter for a while, but they need to make it extendable like GW2. Balance will be an issue as you add more stuff, so having a method to prevent power creep would be nice.
SticQeno hit it right on the head for me with regard to the completion mindset. I'm a collector in games. I hoard everything that isn't junk, and even then I still hoard a lot of junk. I find myself playing games to complete goals and when they don't have a goal to be reached, I end up losing interest. That isn't to say that there are definitely games with lots of replayability that don't necessarily have a major 'goal' in mind but I feel overall in terms of MMO playerbase, people want something to do, a way to reach that goal, then another one to do next week. Rinse and repeat.
I am excited to see how the PvE systems come into play with the fully open PvP aspect, and if people can resist being gank-happy blood mongrels for long enough to work together to do world-scale content, raids, and even potentially PUGs for dungeons.
You were right, it’s longer and just as good
Glad you enjoyed it!
Doc, you seemed to have mastered the Art of The Cliffhanger (or The Tease, maybe). I'm both giving you kudos on it and melodramatically condemning it (tongue-in-cheek, of course).
lol thanks dude
I do not understand :) Lack of Puplisher. If they ask me, they should pick Snail Games as their puplisher! after i saw how much quality work we got because of their Expertise, oh my lord . 🤣
But yeah that is a really good point, to dont have a pupliser and keep the project in the own hands.
thanks for another nice Video :)
Mind putting name cards for the people talking? Would help others find those they think sound like their kind of content creator for ashes.
Great suggestion! I'll do that later today
What ashes needs to hold players longterm in my opinion is a completion System like in gw2. Something to complete and get rewarded for, with either medals, skins, items, nameplates, tags or titels. Something to show others your achievements. It will also give intrepid the incentive to provide and the ability to promote activities/challanges in the game
I've never been a completionist or an achievement getter, but I see absolutely no reason these things shouldn't be in the game. 0 downside, 100% upside, no brainer. Minus the skin part. I don't like skins, I like seeing what other people are wearing in an MMO, but it's a small gripe. It's p2w with visual progression, but its not true p2w, it's the line before actual p2w.
If that monetization keeps the greed in their hearts at bay so they don't feel the need to unleash the true p2w microtransaction plague upon it's community, then so be it.
If AoC has 99.9% of everything Stephen has said it was(excluding things that's already been changed of course), and it's polished, smooth, bug free.... It's going to BLOW players fucking minds, excuse my French.
I've seen Stephen talk enough about the game and have a good enough grasp on it all, i've seen his passion well enough to know there's 0% chance any of the upcoming MMOs are going to take from it long term(there's no way another team exists on earth right now with this level of insight into the genre and passion) and while no, it's not going to straight up kill all other MMOs because it is kind of unique and niche, fun is fun. Just about every MMO player has some fundamental similarities in their preferences of games, the same thing that is not only the foundation to fun games in general, but to great MMOs, something Intrepid seems to know very well.
Thank you for this content ive been watching your last couple week of videos and had to tell you to keep it up!
Thank you!
Ashes of Creation and Star Citizen will be released in 2085
I'm here for the LOTR lore camp 😁👍
Ps my kids are 16 & 14 they've played Skyrim, Morrowind and GW2 to name a few, they are really excited for AoC
Love it! I think Ashes will be the MMO for young Gen Z and old Gen Alpha.
HA! i love these kind of video, i like seeing what other people think and they have some Merit. my prediction A2 last untill summer of 25, and game will launch sometime around Nov of 25.
Another great episode!
Thanks for the help bro! Enjoy Palia!
hahaha that ending! :D you little.. :D
AoC won't pull that many players off of other games. It will however be a good option for the _many_ players that are dissatisfied with many currently running MMOs.
I didn't play an MMO for more than a couple weeks each in the past 5-6 years but I still want to.
Just think that most MMOs right now are not worthy of being played.
Guild chatter in other games will give an idea who will go. Asmongold could pull tens of thousads to the server he lands on for example.
If they want to succeed, give people a 1 month free trial with a level cap and then sell them the game. None of this "free to play, give us your paycheck to enjoy" bullshit. Cash shop should be optional. Blast on blizzard all you want but they did D4 right in that you have plenty of in game customization options without having to go to the cash shop. And that's important. Guild wars 2 is another shining example of a pay to play game with an optional cash shop (that's admittedly too predatory with it's "convenience" options) that gives you more to earn in game than in the shop for most things.
9:30 I actually doubt that ESO players would be that much interested in AoE just because there is forced pvp. ESO is very relax and casual friendly game with no pvp outside the pvp zone. But this is just my opinion.
I have read on the internet this game will have loot drop on death, and this is somethig I would not be into since there is already open pvp, and you could die 10 times before getting to where you are going and could lose all your gear? Has this been confimred that there is loot drop on death? I was looking on the forms, and seems it is.
You won't drop completed gear. The only way you can lose your gear is if you've been ganking the unwilling.
You'll drop some materials on death, but certain bags can mitigate that.
Hello. I don't follow Ashes of Creation that closely is there any chance that this game will release in 2024 or should I hold off on getting excited for another year?
Hi Aaron, the non-NDA testing will start in 2024. My guess is the game will release in 2025.
"JUST PUT SOMETHING OUT BRO" Ashes will make it if they can launch the game with a comparable amount of content to games like FF14 and WoW. They won't make it if they can't compete because at the end of the day, it will be compared to every other MMO out there despite not having years of content and time to patch and make balance updates.
Patience is the secret. People want to play the game and constantly feel like there's something to do.
"they really need to nail the launch" are you kidding me? Im not saying I dont think ashes will nail it cause I do. But they really do not when you look at the competition in the mmo market, rofl.
Subscription model is the single largest thing that has me convinced. So tired of pay to win and cash shop funded games. On top of everything else
Yeah good point
While I agree to a point, you say this like subscription based is somehow going to guarantee a lack of cash shop/fomo/predatory marketing. We can hope that's the reality of how it all plays out but simply being sub based is zero proof of that
9:55 - I fully agree. Entire ESO community will come over to Ashes. There is and WAS a huge community around ESO PvP, they will love Ashes PvX. Also the roleplaying and raid community of ESO will enjoy Ashes. Only thing about ESO PvP community is that they are toxic lol. And this comes from someone that has over 9000 hours in Cyrodiil.
I actually think that ESO wouldnt be interested in the forced pvp in AoE. At least from my experience in ESO its very casual friendly game with not that much competitiveness. But maybe you are right, and I agree completely that the pvp community is very toxic.
You have don't have many options when it comes to the que. The que is there so you don't get left with a bunch of dead servers after launcher. 2 remedies are layering like in WoW which is essentially a hoppable server within a server, that auto-balances when people log on/off, but is joined within the chat channels. The other remedy is what I believe Intrepid will be taking which is merging dead servers with other servers. Considering the type of game AoC is with the node system... man both those options kind of suck, kind of really suck, almost not viable whatsoever.
So IDK man, ques sound like the best option for AoC
Agreed. Rolling out the game on an obscure day and time might help a litttttle but not drastically.
Ashes will sustain in a world of MMO's because it with be ever changing and dynamic and unlike any other MMO before it.
AoC will take it's player base from almost all MMO's (WoW FFXIV), but MOST of its' player base (like ME) will come from disenfranchised players who have given up on the P2W BS crap in the space today. BG3 crowd, the players waiting in the shadows.
This is presumptuous as hell. To say this game is going to peel anyone is just crazy. Think about what you're saying here. So many people thought the same of new world. Albion. Many others released over the years. Every new MMO heralded as the "X killer" (insert whichever dominating MMO I wish). They all tanked.
The point is to manage your expectations. As a community we need to help them focus on straying from what made others fail. But I'd not be buying stock in any new MMO right now.
if you don't think people are playing WoW, BDO, ESO and many others just because they don't have something better to play you're delusional. I didn't say it would KILL any game, nor did I imply it would take most of any game's player base. I said it would take some from everywhere, but that MOST would come from people who aren't even PLAYING an MMO cause they've given up on the P2W BS. You think AoC is going to tank? that's great, good for you, don't buy it, don't play it, GL 2 U. I however think it will succeed, my opinion and expectations have been developed over MANY years, and I didn't arrive here lightly. I didn't invest in Ultima Online when it was selling land in Pre-Release (and I almost did), I spent a little too much on BDO before I gave up. It is with A LOT of experience and knowledge that I say AoC will succeed where many others have failed... and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. 250 for A2, Done, 250 for kids hospital, Done, if they want another 250 I'm down. It's my money I'll toss it away how ever I see fit. But great idead.. buying stock in Intrepid !.! TY
You just gonna tease me with a Ryve truth bomb and then end the video? That's wrong bro, so wrong.
Gotta leave em wanting more.
AoC is going to face real challenges. If only the Elites get to enjoy the content, why should the Casuals, Solo'ers, or even Small Guilds pay the same monthly fee?
Why would a player join months later and stick around with such slight odds of progression?
How about the Elites whose server gets merged? Not too many people are going to like losing their Towns, Castles, or FreeHolds.
MMO's require the Masses, it's literally in the name. I'm a bit concerned most people chasing the carrot are going to be beaten with the stick.
I'm hopeful, but only time will tell.
Pantheon is a great example of a game forced to release early and killed the game due to bugs.
So what i am hearing its just going to be a PVP gang fest game and all the carebears will just leave and the PVPers will eat them self
There's gonna be a the corruption system.
@@TheCopiumClinic lol likes thats stoped any pvpers from grifing
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I hope AoC does nothing to discourage ganking. The only thing that should stop gankers is skilled counter gankers. Let the PvEer cry.
Well there's gonna be the corruption system.