Chuck often compared Spock to Superman in his reviews because both seemed to suffer the same minor problem under the writers: being such a fan and show favorite that they'd often glorify or overpower him at the expense of any logical story progression. But that has in turn caused the characters to become so beloved and respected not just among pop culture, but in-universe as well. In Spock's case, it really goes to show how much the character has made such an impact among the Prime timeline, whether it's Vulcan becoming a much more prominent member of the Federation and Starfleet, the Khitomer Accords, and his ambassadorial work. It really does make me wonder just how much Prime Spock would do in the Kelvin timeline, how much he did aside from the establishment of New Vulcan, before his passing in Beyond. If perhaps, in the end of his long and illustrious life, like he had mentioned to Data during Unification, he had no regrets.
Two of the lasting legacies I think Spock may have left us are that logic and emotion are compatible, and that intelligence is very cool. That the gold shirt of command was not the only one worth respect.
A lot of what is said about Spock's position as between 2 world's, can also be said about Worf. As a Klingon raised on Earth by Humans, and joined Starfleet, he faced a lot of similar challenges as Spock.
Two things come to mind about Nimoy seeing this video. When Spock told Kirk in "Voyage Home" saving Chekov was the HUMAN thing to do. (But logical too, as not to further disrupt the timeline and let Chekov-an important Starfleet officer-die) Plus when Leonard closed an episode of "In Search of..." He asked what will Earth's inhabitants say to life from other worlds. I thought to myself what will *they* say to us? About a narrator who dedicated almost 50 years of his life to the role of a half alien being.
“Of all the souls I’ve encountered in my travels, his was the most… human” Spock’s loyalty to his friends and dedication to principle never wavered, even at the expense of his own life. This is how Kirk chose to honor his memory.
I'm not sure which is worse, Nimoy singing Bilbo Baggins, or Shatner singing Mr. Tambourine Man, but they've also got plenty of competition from the rest of the cast. I've long been addicted to April Winchell's personal website where she maintains a collection of the most heinous offences to music. It's impossible not to notice that Star Trek actors feature disproportionately.
Well done..! I often was at odds how the characters of this show were lampooned, and how people forgot what made them exceptional role models with a rich and thought out depth. This has revitalized the (fictional)heroes of my youth.
I find fascinating how many, however good natured and interesting and well thought of the video and information within it is, theres always a few individuals hating whatever is being shown. No matter what it is.
Discarded blithely by NBC in the late 1960s - discussed constantly by everyone in the 2020s. And for the rest of time. Spock will be a mythic icon to be analyzed and beloved eternally.
I've always felt that Spock and Data are my favorite characters because I value learning, reason, logic, empiricism, and science highly, and I love the journey they both take towards appreciating what it is to be "human". However, given my affection for Kirk and McCoy as well, I would be remis not to say that I really take the original trio as a whole. I see them as three constituent parts of a greater organism that is the balance of influences (dispassion and passion, knowledge and experience) Spock and McCoy represent finding harmony, purpose, and action through and within Kirk. They are a unit, a gestalt, and together they accomplish far more than each would do individually. For them, the whole really IS greater than the sum of its parts.
The Mary-Sue adopted human sister? I consider Star Trek Discovery an alternate universe spin-off... heck I consider Star Trek Enterprise with Captain Archer an alternate universe spin-off! Actuall Archer's Enterprise and Discovery fit well into the same universe but don't really fit into the original Star Trek universe nor into the Kelvin timeline (relaunch universe). In both series, Vulcans are arrogant assholes, and Klingons are.... even bigger hypocrits than they used to be.
I believe this was recorded and posted before we learned the details about Discovery. Indeed, I believe this was posted not long after Leonard Nimoy's death.
Richard Watt The man suffered through Voyager and Enterprise and the worst of their shows along with the worst of TOS, TNG, DS9 and the films. TAS and its problems by comparison are small becuse as he said, TOS’s flaws can kinda be forgiven by virtue of bring a SMC with 30 minute runtime compared to 1 hour affairs written by people who claim to know what they’re doing.
Well one of the most loved alien in Star Trek, a look over all TOS & movies. He is the most played by different actors in all Star Trek so that is way I find his character interesting from the different ways he was portrayed. NOW we have Discovery's Vulcan/Romulan unification to become the planet Nivar
I think they wanted an alien that could be relatable, so they made him a half human alien. This allowed a lot of freedom in the early stages, any 'errors' were due to his human side.
Perhaps it was never meant that Spock would represent children born of interracial unions but interracial children all over the world embrace Spock because they can feel his story in their flesh. I embraced his story as a child. The same goes for strangers in any culture; women in all-male workplaces; immigrants; minorities of any kind and anybody internally conflicted about traditional roles vs choosing to be themselves.
One of the things that has always bothered me about Mr Spock (which you addressed) is that he is only half Vulcan yet has the same physiology, anatomy and mental abilities of a full Vulcan. We have seen in Star Trek before hybrid races such as half human/Klingons and they have always had watered down features of that particular race. That being the case Mr Spock’s ears should be less pointy, his eyebrows less slanty and his strength, longevity and mental abilities somewhat diminished to other Vulcans. His blood should be some sort of green/red mixture and his internal organs arranged differently. In Star Trek 6 he managed to mentally overpower Lt Valeris, a full Vulcan and in the Kelvin Timeline films lived to a ripe old age that a full Vulcan would live to.
Spocks physiology is shown on multiple occasions to have strong human aspects. His emotional flexibility is due to being a human being as well as a vulcan. His Brain wasn't physically and mentally vulcan enough to achieve kolinhar. His child of 2 worlds dynamic made him an amazing diplomat. His blood wasn't right to be given to his father. It needed to be heavily modified to be given to sarek. His lifespan of 162 was due to being half human. Spock was still very human. His dyslexia was a human gene.
It makes me smile when younger Spock clobbers the older Vulcan kid, knowing they hadn't thought their taunting of Spock through. The result was one being pummeled by Spock while the other two stood around shocked and dumbfounded not having a clue what to do if Spock reacted to their bulling (what any child with emotions knew what could happen).
(0:39-0:44) Oh don't worry, Chuck. I'm sure Star Trek will never be so stupid as to introduce a never-seen-nor-mentioned-before sibling of Spock ever again! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Humans breeding with aliens is, of course, as ridiculous as humans mating with petunias. Moreso, in fact. There is a quote from Roddenberry which suggests that Spock was more of a genetically engineered experiment than an actual human-Vulcan hybrid, which ameliorates the problem slightly. But at least there is a reason for his being part alien. In him there is a constant conflict between his rational side and his irrational side, something everyone can identify with, which is in part why he is such a popular character. None of the other human-alien or alien-alien hybrids in the Star Trek franchise have such a justification and are therefore simply absurd. Mere copying because of a lack of creativity.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog Keep an open mind. For exemple this word in french isn't pejorative. It's simply google translation for métissage. Do not assume his/her nationality.
Peace should not come through force That doesn't jive with ST: Discovrry, but it doesn't jive with previous canon. One of many reasons older fans are weary of the new series, and it's alleged Spock adopted sister lead.
Just because Vulcans might have believed that peace should not come through force doesn't mean that Vulcans would not resort to violence if necessary. On Voyager, Tuvok said that he used to teach at the Vulcan Defensive Arts Institute. This was centuries after Vulcan's "Great Awakening" on ST: Enterprise. I mean, the fact that Tuvok was a security officer, of all things . . . By the time he was on Voyager, Tuvok had spent a lifetime studying various martial arts and boasted of knowing some 90+ different ways to kill someone with just his finger . . . This is the same race of people that let their children wander the desert unaccompanied as a right of passage. You don't do that without first equipping them with defensive skills as part of their survival training. While Vulcan force is usually defensive, Vulcans can use logic to justify anything, even an offensive strike to try to ward off a war mongering race like the Klingons on Discovery.
+kimbridge _"While Vulcan force is usually defensive, Vulcans can use logic to justify anything, even an offensive strike to try to ward off a war mongering race like the Klingons on Discovery."_ Thing is, that usually doesn't "ward off" Klingons. It does the opposite.
@@Idazmi7 Which Klingons? You act like they are always the same and their culture never changes over time. And sure, Klingons typically love a good fight, but I seriously doubt that they'd enjoy getting completely slaughtered before they had a chance to fight back every time they had the misfortune of running across a Vulcan ship... After losing a few dozen or more ships, the leaders *might* have decided that they needed to do something to stop this onslaught before they were no longer a space faring race... Better to fight an enemy you can actually win against...
Star Fleet is a military organization? That's not what Scotty asked Kirk when Scotty resigned his commission because Kirk wanted him to sign-off on the torpedoes. Scotty (paraphrasing): "I didn't know Star Fleet was a military organization. Is that what we're becoming?" The reboot did not change Star Fleet's purpose. "To seek out new life and civilizations".
It is military in the sense of its discipline. It has a rank structure. And subordinates are expected to carry out orders from their superior officers. Starfleet, by its full name is Starfleet Command. Starfleet Command is a separate entity from the United Federation of Planets, though it serves under it. One can be a member of the Federation but not be in Starfleet, such as Sarek, who is an ambassador within the Federation, but carries no rank, as he is not in Starfleet.
It is bad. It has cringworthy dialogues, nonsensical character motivations, illogical plots, ridiculous NPCs, the pacing is bad, the music is forgettable (I can't even remember any music from it), and worst of all it add a textbook Marty-Stu character as Spock's never-before-mentioned Vulcan brother. OLDER brother! From a never mentioned previous wife of Sarek. What? A Vulcan brother who was a religious nutter and also acted like out his emotions, because _of course_ he was so much more enlightened (sarcasm!) than the rest of Vulcan. Oh, and a Wizard of Oz "godlike" alien. And Kirk fighting a rock golem, oh sorry, they cut that boss battle scene out of the script and re-used it for Galaxy Quest (an infinitely better movie).
@@djackson4657 Actually, to be fair, it makes perfect sense that Sarek had a previous mate. He's far older than Spock's mother, and with Pon Farr... A bit dubious that he's never mentioned, but then he was never relevant and Vulcans aren't exactly known for volunteering personal information...
Why do you think Spock is a hybrid, the network wanted that.remember Chekov had difficulty telling him from a Romulan..Spock is a Vulcan ,humans and vulcans are not compatible ,iron and copper do not mix.This is fan fiction.
I bet you Spock is Sarek's argument to his friends that the human/Vulcan mix can indeed work and deep down, it was in Sarek's nature to be that stubborn. Not speak to your son for 18 years! (STOS - "Journey to Babel")It might have taken a little help from neonatal medical technology to keep Amanda from rejecting him like a germ, though. There is a hair of real science in there somewhere.
Damn Spock's brother is one of my favorite characters in Star Trek," I can't help but notice your pain, it runs deep share it with me! "
Chuck often compared Spock to Superman in his reviews because both seemed to suffer the same minor problem under the writers: being such a fan and show favorite that they'd often glorify or overpower him at the expense of any logical story progression.
But that has in turn caused the characters to become so beloved and respected not just among pop culture, but in-universe as well. In Spock's case, it really goes to show how much the character has made such an impact among the Prime timeline, whether it's Vulcan becoming a much more prominent member of the Federation and Starfleet, the Khitomer Accords, and his ambassadorial work.
It really does make me wonder just how much Prime Spock would do in the Kelvin timeline, how much he did aside from the establishment of New Vulcan, before his passing in Beyond. If perhaps, in the end of his long and illustrious life, like he had mentioned to Data during Unification, he had no regrets.
I know I am kinda off topic but do anyone know a good place to stream newly released movies online ?
@Maximilian Rudy i would suggest FlixZone. You can find it on google =)
Two of the lasting legacies I think Spock may have left us are that logic and emotion are compatible, and that intelligence is very cool. That the gold shirt of command was not the only one worth respect.
A lot of what is said about Spock's position as between 2 world's, can also be said about Worf. As a Klingon raised on Earth by Humans, and joined Starfleet, he faced a lot of similar challenges as Spock.
One of the greatest sci-fi characters ever created.
Two things come to mind about Nimoy seeing this video. When Spock told Kirk in "Voyage Home" saving Chekov was the HUMAN thing to do. (But logical too, as not to further disrupt the timeline and let Chekov-an important Starfleet officer-die)
Plus when Leonard closed an episode of "In Search of..." He asked what will Earth's inhabitants say to life from other worlds. I thought to myself what will *they* say to us? About a narrator who dedicated almost 50 years of his life to the role of a half alien being.
“Of all the souls I’ve encountered in my travels, his was the most… human” Spock’s loyalty to his friends and dedication to principle never wavered, even at the expense of his own life. This is how Kirk chose to honor his memory.
I've been engaged in "Cowboy Diplomacy" as you call it, since before you were born!
Oh, the voice behind G1 Galvatron and Xehanort. And the man singing the ballad of Bilbo Baggins. That and directing ST4 and 3men&baby. 😄
I'm not sure which is worse, Nimoy singing Bilbo Baggins, or Shatner singing Mr. Tambourine Man, but they've also got plenty of competition from the rest of the cast. I've long been addicted to April Winchell's personal website where she maintains a collection of the most heinous offences to music. It's impossible not to notice that Star Trek actors feature disproportionately.
@@IRONMANAustralia Is Robert Picardo on that list?
Today would have been Leonard Nimoy's 90th birthday.
Amazing both Nimoy & Shatner were born in the same month, same year, & share Jewish background.
My favourite Star Trek character EVER!
Well done..! I often was at odds how the characters of this show were lampooned, and how people forgot what made them exceptional role models with a rich and thought out depth.
This has revitalized the (fictional)heroes of my youth.
Like Walter Koenig said at STLV: All these other actors play Spock; Leonard Nimoy WAS Spock.
I find fascinating how many, however good natured and interesting and well thought of the video and information within it is, theres always a few individuals hating whatever is being shown. No matter what it is.
Discarded blithely by NBC in the late 1960s - discussed constantly by everyone in the 2020s. And for the rest of time. Spock will be a mythic icon to be analyzed and beloved eternally.
Spock would've been an incredible Green Lantern!!!!! Incredible strength and intelligence but also the wielder of a power ring!!!!
I've always felt that Spock and Data are my favorite characters because I value learning, reason, logic, empiricism, and science highly, and I love the journey they both take towards appreciating what it is to be "human". However, given my affection for Kirk and McCoy as well, I would be remis not to say that I really take the original trio as a whole. I see them as three constituent parts of a greater organism that is the balance of influences (dispassion and passion, knowledge and experience) Spock and McCoy represent finding harmony, purpose, and action through and within Kirk.
They are a unit, a gestalt, and together they accomplish far more than each would do individually. For them, the whole really IS greater than the sum of its parts.
The unexplained “romance” between Uhura and Spock in the reboot was highly ridiculous and needs to Go!
your videos deserve so many more views.
Wasnt talking to you bro
Get a life man.
Youre right i do love them. They are superior.
Superior at absorbing Zyklon B.
you sound upset man, what happened?
I thought T'Pol was among the first Vulcans to be on Starfleet.
Remember that there was no 'Starfleet' until the very last episode of Enterprise..
A look at McCoy please!
Holy crap, it's sfdebris. I haven't seen a video from you in years. I got a real kick out of your old Star Trek Voyager and TNG reviews.
Meta Bro, he has a website where he still does those things.
What about the out of nowhere adopted sister?
The Mary-Sue adopted human sister? I consider Star Trek Discovery an alternate universe spin-off... heck I consider Star Trek Enterprise with Captain Archer an alternate universe spin-off! Actuall Archer's Enterprise and Discovery fit well into the same universe but don't really fit into the original Star Trek universe nor into the Kelvin timeline (relaunch universe). In both series, Vulcans are arrogant assholes, and Klingons are.... even bigger hypocrits than they used to be.
We don't talk about her.
I believe this was recorded and posted before we learned the details about Discovery. Indeed, I believe this was posted not long after Leonard Nimoy's death.
@@tscream80 hes dead?
Fascinating!
loved it ,also loved a look at kirk but where the hell is a look at bones ...
T2:19 -- Pixels so jagged, my retinas are bleeding.
Wait...you managed to sit through the animated series?
Yes, yes he did. I just wonder how much of it he was able to take without being committed to the insane asylum?
Richard Watt The man suffered through Voyager and Enterprise and the worst of their shows along with the worst of TOS, TNG, DS9 and the films. TAS and its problems by comparison are small becuse as he said, TOS’s flaws can kinda be forgiven by virtue of bring a SMC with 30 minute runtime compared to 1 hour affairs written by people who claim to know what they’re doing.
Sulu was also an alien in the mirror universe of the original series
Well one of the most loved alien in Star Trek, a look over all TOS & movies. He is the most played by different actors in all Star Trek so that is way I find his character interesting from the different ways he was portrayed. NOW we have Discovery's Vulcan/Romulan unification to become the planet Nivar
Great videos
What happened 2 the kid who played Spock????
An excellent analysis.
Just found these. Awesome job on the Enterprise Crew, you should run the star trek series for CBS. Much better than klutzman.
Hey. Are you gonna make a Look at McCoy from TOS? He is my favourite character
Was the character of Spock supposed to represent children born from interracial unions?
I think they wanted an alien that could be relatable, so they made him a half human alien. This allowed a lot of freedom in the early stages, any 'errors' were due to his human side.
Bjorick good points
Spock represented the alienate outsider,there is no such thing as race. You have the wrong idea of Star Trek it is set in the future
I'm sure he wasn't intended to represent interracial children, but I'm also sure that he did resonate with them.
Perhaps it was never meant that Spock would represent children born of interracial unions but interracial children all over the world embrace Spock because they can feel his story in their flesh. I embraced his story as a child. The same goes for strangers in any culture; women in all-male workplaces; immigrants; minorities of any kind and anybody internally conflicted about traditional roles vs choosing to be themselves.
One of the things that has always bothered me about Mr Spock (which you addressed) is that he is only half Vulcan yet has the same physiology, anatomy and mental abilities of a full Vulcan. We have seen in Star Trek before hybrid races such as half human/Klingons and they have always had watered down features of that particular race. That being the case Mr Spock’s ears should be less pointy, his eyebrows less slanty and his strength, longevity and mental abilities somewhat diminished to other Vulcans. His blood should be some sort of green/red mixture and his internal organs arranged differently. In Star Trek 6 he managed to mentally overpower Lt Valeris, a full Vulcan and in the Kelvin Timeline films lived to a ripe old age that a full Vulcan would live to.
Genetic roll of the dice?
Dominant genes perhaps?
Spocks physiology is shown on multiple occasions to have strong human aspects.
His emotional flexibility is due to being a human being as well as a vulcan.
His Brain wasn't physically and mentally vulcan enough to achieve kolinhar.
His child of 2 worlds dynamic made him an amazing diplomat.
His blood wasn't right to be given to his father. It needed to be heavily modified to be given to sarek.
His lifespan of 162 was due to being half human.
Spock was still very human. His dyslexia was a human gene.
He's got a sister now too -_-
That's sarek for you. For all his talk of logic he's really just a guy who has a massive hard on for human women
Mikey Spock... ugh
@@RAFMnBgaming it would seem to be that he is a logical gigolo. ☺
@@RAFMnBgaming but She was adopted
It makes me smile when younger Spock clobbers the older Vulcan kid, knowing they hadn't thought their taunting of Spock through.
The result was one being pummeled by Spock while the other two stood around shocked and dumbfounded not having a clue what to do if Spock reacted to their bulling (what any child with emotions knew what could happen).
5:23 damn. bars, homie. 🙌
(0:39-0:44) Oh don't worry, Chuck. I'm sure Star Trek will never be so stupid as to introduce a never-seen-nor-mentioned-before sibling of Spock ever again!
🙄🙄🙄🙄
Humans breeding with aliens is, of course, as ridiculous as humans mating with petunias. Moreso, in fact. There is a quote from Roddenberry which suggests that Spock was more of a genetically engineered experiment than an actual human-Vulcan hybrid, which ameliorates the problem slightly. But at least there is a reason for his being part alien. In him there is a constant conflict between his rational side and his irrational side, something everyone can identify with, which is in part why he is such a popular character. None of the other human-alien or alien-alien hybrids in the Star Trek franchise have such a justification and are therefore simply absurd. Mere copying because of a lack of creativity.
Let see maybe you could look at actor Jeffrey Combs Enterprise's Kir'Shara
I miss your reviews.
sfdebris.com/ - He still posts them there. He just doesn't usually post his reviews on RUclips due to the copyright bots.
What if Spock's story is a fable about Miscegenation? Food for thought.
That you even use that oldfashioned word in this context says a lot about you.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog Keep an open mind. For exemple this word in french isn't pejorative. It's simply google translation for métissage. Do not assume his/her nationality.
Peace should not come through force
That doesn't jive with ST: Discovrry, but it doesn't jive with previous canon. One of many reasons older fans are weary of the new series, and it's alleged Spock adopted sister lead.
I'm still pretty much convinced that this will be resolved by the Spore Drive Borking the universe and creating a new timeline
Just because Vulcans might have believed that peace should not come through force doesn't mean that Vulcans would not resort to violence if necessary. On Voyager, Tuvok said that he used to teach at the Vulcan Defensive Arts Institute. This was centuries after Vulcan's "Great Awakening" on ST: Enterprise. I mean, the fact that Tuvok was a security officer, of all things . . . By the time he was on Voyager, Tuvok had spent a lifetime studying various martial arts and boasted of knowing some 90+ different ways to kill someone with just his finger . . .
This is the same race of people that let their children wander the desert unaccompanied as a right of passage. You don't do that without first equipping them with defensive skills as part of their survival training. While Vulcan force is usually defensive, Vulcans can use logic to justify anything, even an offensive strike to try to ward off a war mongering race like the Klingons on Discovery.
+kimbridge
_"While Vulcan force is usually defensive, Vulcans can use logic to justify anything, even an offensive strike to try to ward off a war mongering race like the Klingons on Discovery."_
Thing is, that usually doesn't "ward off" Klingons. It does the opposite.
@@Idazmi7
Which Klingons? You act like they are always the same and their culture never changes over time. And sure, Klingons typically love a good fight, but I seriously doubt that they'd enjoy getting completely slaughtered before they had a chance to fight back every time they had the misfortune of running across a Vulcan ship... After losing a few dozen or more ships, the leaders *might* have decided that they needed to do something to stop this onslaught before they were no longer a space faring race... Better to fight an enemy you can actually win against...
That's like, the ONLY problem I DON'T have with Discovery...
Conception? I think you meant birth.
No, he's saying that life begins at conception.
@@Charmolution which it does
In Some cultures, birth and conception is the same thing...
Who is this "Sairek? Spock's father is Sarek pronounced Sah-Rek.
And Amanda screamed going over the top, "Saaarekk!"
Have you thought about an update now that we ST:D..so to speak ?
starfleet was not military organization
kamo20 please.
+Kamo20
Starfleet was _always_ a military.
These's aren't the droids you're looking for...
Star Fleet is a military organization? That's not what Scotty asked Kirk when Scotty resigned his commission because Kirk wanted him to sign-off on the torpedoes. Scotty (paraphrasing): "I didn't know Star Fleet was a military organization. Is that what we're becoming?" The reboot did not change Star Fleet's purpose. "To seek out new life and civilizations".
It is military in the sense of its discipline. It has a rank structure. And subordinates are expected to carry out orders from their superior officers. Starfleet, by its full name is Starfleet Command. Starfleet Command is a separate entity from the United Federation of Planets, though it serves under it. One can be a member of the Federation but not be in Starfleet, such as Sarek, who is an ambassador within the Federation, but carries no rank, as he is not in Starfleet.
Star Trek V gets bashed way too much it is not that bad seriously just saying, but I get why fans and movie goers alike dislike it.
It is bad. It has cringworthy dialogues, nonsensical character motivations, illogical plots, ridiculous NPCs, the pacing is bad, the music is forgettable (I can't even remember any music from it), and worst of all it add a textbook Marty-Stu character as Spock's never-before-mentioned Vulcan brother. OLDER brother! From a never mentioned previous wife of Sarek. What? A Vulcan brother who was a religious nutter and also acted like out his emotions, because _of course_ he was so much more enlightened (sarcasm!) than the rest of Vulcan. Oh, and a Wizard of Oz "godlike" alien. And Kirk fighting a rock golem, oh sorry, they cut that boss battle scene out of the script and re-used it for Galaxy Quest (an infinitely better movie).
ST5 ran out of money,the whole story was not told,Spock has no brother.
@@djackson4657 Actually, to be fair, it makes perfect sense that Sarek had a previous mate. He's far older than Spock's mother, and with Pon Farr... A bit dubious that he's never mentioned, but then he was never relevant and Vulcans aren't exactly known for volunteering personal information...
Why do you think Spock is a hybrid, the network wanted that.remember Chekov had difficulty telling him from a Romulan..Spock is a Vulcan ,humans and vulcans are not compatible ,iron and copper do not mix.This is fan fiction.
I bet you Spock is Sarek's argument to his friends that the human/Vulcan mix can indeed work and deep down, it was in Sarek's nature to be that stubborn. Not speak to your son for 18 years! (STOS - "Journey to Babel")It might have taken a little help from neonatal medical technology to keep Amanda from rejecting him like a germ, though. There is a hair of real science in there somewhere.
@@EdiaStanfordBruce Spock is a genetic construct,a product of Vulcan science, not Amanda.
Fascinating!