My neighbor growing up had a 1650 with 50" deck, ag tires and rear weights on it. They mowed probably four acres every week with it. They had a snow plow, tiller and a good sized wagon they pulled with it. I was amazed at the amount of work it would do for a garden tractor. It did jobs that was way to big for it and it kept coming back for more. Dad bought a CC 125 with a 48" deck that had the engine rebuilt. We ran it for years. Only issue we ever had with it was the clutch for the pto on front of tractor would not stay tight to the crankshaft no matter what we tried. We also sheared pins between the engine and hydro shaft. The neighbor with their 1650 had same issue shearing the pins. I have always wanted a 1650 after seeing what my neighbors would do. I bought one about six years ago almost identical to my neighbors but has a 44" deck. My cub is a few years newer than the neighbors and looks like that shearing pin issue has been corrected by adding a piece of rubber between were the shaft connects to hydro pump by the seat. I love the Cubs and hate to hear now they are going all electric since they have been sold once again. They have been slowly dying since MTD took them over. Every brand that MTD has got ahold of they have eventually ruined . Between me and my dad we have a John Deere GT 235, JD 1025R sub compact, Cub1650, JD X530, and JD 212. The X530 I bought about 3 years ago used. It's been a good machine but it is not built like a tank like the 1650 or the 212. If you look at the frame on my 212 and then look at the frame on my X530 it is crazy how much cheaper they are built. All the build quality by all brands now seems to be going into the zero turns and some of the higher end compact tractors. I miss the old heavy built Cub Cadets, John Deeres, Fords/Jacobsen, Bolens and Wheel Horse built tractors of yesterday.
I had a 110, 112, 212 & 214. I really like their durability . I think I like the horizontal engines the best because they seem easier to work on. I had a nice 1450 CC for a while until the head gasket blew out. So far, my new CC seems pretty good, but I’m Disappointed in MTD for ruining everything they touch
Absolutely fantastic presentation and much appreciated with your personal experience and insight on the working history behind the story. Thanks so much for this series. There was a great International Harvester Museum in Leesburg Fl. owned by tractor collector Stew Paquette and he had a entire Cub Cadet dealers setup inside one of his buildings. Unfortunately he passed away last March and his family could wait to auction off his entire collection and now, probably the number one Farmall/International Harvester collection in the country is closed. So keep on “rambling” because I for one appreciate your knowledge.
I was very dismayed to learn of the museum closure. I’m sure it was worth a tidy sum, but sad I’ll never get to see it in person. Thank You for your kind words, there’s a huge amount of effort involved with these, and they’re still not perfect. I really didn’t hear the bells until I started editing and then I was thinking nobody would watch because of them. I have a few more IH videos to upload, then an absolute ton of John Deere material. Our local IH dealer closed around 1981 or 1982, and then we only had Deere and Ford around.
I believe the first thing i ever drove was a cub cadet 102 my aunt next door owned. Dad always worked on it for her, shwas his widowed sister. I remembered thinking it was massive! Another cousin had an original cub cadet dad would work on sometimes. I remember how either one of them could plow right into a hayfield and not lose breath at all. They mowed easy. Dad traded work on a 330 IH for a 149 cub with a tiller. He swapped the tired 14hp kohler for a vanguard v-twin 18 hp from a modern cub cadet out of a state surplus auction. Another cousin gave him a 1250 that he completely rebuilt and painted. My nephew grew up on them...now he's cub cadet crazy ... got a 1450. Or 1650 ih cub decked out with hydraulics and a mtd cub with the opposed twin kohler 18 or 20 hp and 60" deck. We have my grandfather's '48 farmall cub here. It is a family disease!
@LedgemereHeritageFarm you're hitting my soft spot talking about the old cub cadets. Funny the memories that come up...now I'm thinking about that little kohler hissing to life in my aunt's shed...and mowing her bank in the massive back yard. Thousand wonders I didn't get killed while looking back to see the wheels spinning in opposite directions with the brake on. Tires were hard as rocks.
I like the red/white color scheme on the Cub much more than the yellow and white. I remember the last Cubs our IH dealer had. They were painted red and looked like little 140s. My Uncle Elwood had one of those first generation Cub Cadets that was geared like a Cub. It had a cast iron Kohler engine and was built like a tank. He used it in the garden pulling horse drawn plows while my Cousin Tommy drove it. He cut down a set of snow chains that he put on the back tires and would take the deck off. I have a couple of pictures of Tommy driving it in the Walnut Cove Christmas parade pulling a small float in the early 1960s.
I had a 1282 that was red, but it was CCC unfortunately. I had a 1450 that was IH with two hydraulic outlets on the front. What a beast that was. The head gasket finally went and I sold it with a basically brand new mower deck and a nice power angle plow blade. It had a sleeve hitch with a land plow and cultivators too
Good video, but you got a few things wrong about cub cadet. The 123, the first hydrostatic came out halfway through the third wave in 1966. To advertise, they had a circus lion tamer called fearless frisbee guide a bunch of guys driving 123's made to look like tigers through an obstacle course and pop wheelies. Ih did make red 82 series cubs on their own before they gave up. They ran from '79 to '81. Personally, I think IH knew the end was near and just wanted their brand to be seen more. After all, 1979 was their most profitable year ever, and they still tanked in 1985. MTD let the cub cadet brand go to crap right away with the aluminum rear ends, but it really started to show with the "cyclops" series, so named for the single headlight lens. The hoods were plastic. Only 2 gear driven models, both with junky Briggs and Stratton engines. One of those gear drives, the 1335, was only rumored to have ever existed. There were idiot lights on the dash. The brand was made deliberately harder to work on at home, so you needed to bring it to the dealer to get service. Then, they decided, " heck with that," and engineered the tractors to fail so you'd just buy a new one every 2 or 3 years. What a shame.
thank you for watching and commenting. after i produced this, i learned about the tiger-striped Cubs. i didn’t know about the second gear drive cyclops. i had a 1650 with two hydraulic ports, a 682, a 1440, a GT 2544, an LT46 and this current XT3 GSX. i think the quality really took a dive around 2000 when they came out with those egg-shaped tractors. I (and probably everyone else) curse McCardell. thank you again
Back in the 90s, the 1000 series were lawn tractors. The 2000 series were your standard sized garden tractors, and the 3000 series and super garden tractors were the supers. In the 2000s, the 2000/2500 series were your standard garden tractors, then the 3000 series were the supers.
Yes. That’s correct. The series 3000 had one or two hydraulic valves with shaft drive. The 200s were mechanical lift with some being shaft driven and the 1000 were lawn tractors.
I have a handful of Cub Lo-Boy 154's and one IH 184. Nowhere on my 184 does it say Cub or is it painted in Cub colors. Just the same people still say Cub 184. Yeah we know the lineage behind it, but it is not a Cub. If you want to dig in my videos I have one with the sickle bar mower, not many pics around of them and far as I know only video of one.
thank you for mentioning this. I know the 274 was modified by Komatsu and had a Nissan motor in it. the 284 was indeed built by Komatsu and had Mazda and Nissan engines depending upon whether you bought a gas or diesel. Mitsubishi built some later and then virtually the same tractor turned into a Cub cadet and then a Mahindra. I like Mitsubishis and it seems like they've had a lot of success building tractors for other manufacturers. Thank You for your knowledge
@LedgemereHeritageFarm did you ever see Bud yewell's presentation from a few years back at red power re union or round up whatever they called it...he was an engineer at ih. Not sure I spelled his name right. He didn't have anything nice to say about the 284, I guess they had some pto problems, not sure. I remember staring at the literature for the 284 as a kid picturing myself pounding the ground with one:-). My dad always wanted one because he grew up on a super c and the 284 was kind of a replacement for that size range. I still want one someday.
This was the good old days. Too bad Cub couldn't break away from MTD/Black n Decker and go back to there roots. Seems like the only two companies that are continuing on with these types of tractors are Massey Ferguson and John Deere.
I agree. It's all about who has the cheapest piece of crap it seems. The JD Dealer told me from what he can tell is that people "just want a new tractor about every two years". In two years, the box store junk hopefully doesn't crap out. they're sold on big HP motors and wide decks. Simplicity still makes a great tractor, but the dealers are pretty sparse and I think Husqvarna still makes a high-end tractor with a Kawasaki. CC stopped with the Kawasaki motors after the pandemic due to supply issues. Thank you for watching
My neighbor growing up had a 1650 with 50" deck, ag tires and rear weights on it. They mowed probably four acres every week with it. They had a snow plow, tiller and a good sized wagon they pulled with it. I was amazed at the amount of work it would do for a garden tractor. It did jobs that was way to big for it and it kept coming back for more. Dad bought a CC 125 with a 48" deck that had the engine rebuilt. We ran it for years. Only issue we ever had with it was the clutch for the pto on front of tractor would not stay tight to the crankshaft no matter what we tried. We also sheared pins between the engine and hydro shaft. The neighbor with their 1650 had same issue shearing the pins. I have always wanted a 1650 after seeing what my neighbors would do. I bought one about six years ago almost identical to my neighbors but has a 44" deck. My cub is a few years newer than the neighbors and looks like that shearing pin issue has been corrected by adding a piece of rubber between were the shaft connects to hydro pump by the seat. I love the Cubs and hate to hear now they are going all electric since they have been sold once again. They have been slowly dying since MTD took them over. Every brand that MTD has got ahold of they have eventually ruined . Between me and my dad we have a John Deere GT 235, JD 1025R sub compact, Cub1650, JD X530, and JD 212. The X530 I bought about 3 years ago used. It's been a good machine but it is not built like a tank like the 1650 or the 212. If you look at the frame on my 212 and then look at the frame on my X530 it is crazy how much cheaper they are built. All the build quality by all brands now seems to be going into the zero turns and some of the higher end compact tractors. I miss the old heavy built Cub Cadets, John Deeres, Fords/Jacobsen, Bolens and Wheel Horse built tractors of yesterday.
I had a 110, 112, 212 & 214. I really like their durability . I think I like the horizontal engines the best because they seem easier to work on. I had a nice 1450 CC for a while until the head gasket blew out. So far, my new CC seems pretty good, but I’m
Disappointed in MTD for ruining everything they touch
Absolutely fantastic presentation and much appreciated with your personal experience and insight on the working history behind the story. Thanks so much for this series. There was a great International Harvester Museum in Leesburg Fl. owned by tractor collector Stew Paquette and he had a entire Cub Cadet dealers setup inside one of his buildings. Unfortunately he passed away last March and his family could wait to auction off his entire collection and now, probably the number one Farmall/International Harvester collection in the country is closed. So keep on “rambling” because I for one appreciate your knowledge.
I was very dismayed to learn of the museum closure. I’m sure it was worth a tidy sum, but sad I’ll never get to see it in person. Thank You for your kind words, there’s a huge amount of effort involved with these, and they’re still not perfect. I really didn’t hear the bells until I started editing and then I was thinking nobody would watch because of them. I have a few more IH videos to upload, then an absolute ton of John Deere material. Our local IH dealer closed around 1981 or 1982, and then we only had Deere and Ford around.
I own a 1984 782 d diesel cub cadet lawn mower ot is a great mower i love it
Good report!
Thank you
Very informative and interesting presentation. I have a 123, 125, and a Cub. Wouldn't want to be with out them.
They sure don’t make them like they used to. Thank You for watching
I believe the first thing i ever drove was a cub cadet 102 my aunt next door owned. Dad always worked on it for her, shwas his widowed sister. I remembered thinking it was massive! Another cousin had an original cub cadet dad would work on sometimes. I remember how either one of them could plow right into a hayfield and not lose breath at all. They mowed easy. Dad traded work on a 330 IH for a 149 cub with a tiller. He swapped the tired 14hp kohler for a vanguard v-twin 18 hp from a modern cub cadet out of a state surplus auction. Another cousin gave him a 1250 that he completely rebuilt and painted. My nephew grew up on them...now he's cub cadet crazy ... got a 1450. Or 1650 ih cub decked out with hydraulics and a mtd cub with the opposed twin kohler 18 or 20 hp and 60" deck. We have my grandfather's '48 farmall cub here. It is a family disease!
It's very unfortunate that you can't still buy these tanks. Thank You for watching and sharing your story
@LedgemereHeritageFarm you're hitting my soft spot talking about the old cub cadets. Funny the memories that come up...now I'm thinking about that little kohler hissing to life in my aunt's shed...and mowing her bank in the massive back yard. Thousand wonders I didn't get killed while looking back to see the wheels spinning in opposite directions with the brake on. Tires were hard as rocks.
Manual Cadets are all pullers around here
They’re indestructible. My brother in law still has his fathers Original with a 7HP Kohler on it.
I like the red/white color scheme on the Cub much more than the yellow and white. I remember the last Cubs our IH dealer had. They were painted red and looked like little 140s. My Uncle Elwood had one of those first generation Cub Cadets that was geared like a Cub. It had a cast iron Kohler engine and was built like a tank. He used it in the garden pulling horse drawn plows while my Cousin Tommy drove it. He cut down a set of snow chains that he put on the back tires and would take the deck off. I have a couple of pictures of Tommy driving it in the Walnut Cove Christmas parade pulling a small float in the early 1960s.
I had a 1282 that was red, but it was CCC unfortunately. I had a 1450 that was IH with two hydraulic outlets on the front. What a beast that was. The head gasket finally went and I sold it with a basically brand new mower deck and a nice power angle plow blade. It had a sleeve hitch with a land plow and cultivators too
Good video, but you got a few things wrong about cub cadet. The 123, the first hydrostatic came out halfway through the third wave in 1966. To advertise, they had a circus lion tamer called fearless frisbee guide a bunch of guys driving 123's made to look like tigers through an obstacle course and pop wheelies. Ih did make red 82 series cubs on their own before they gave up. They ran from '79 to '81. Personally, I think IH knew the end was near and just wanted their brand to be seen more. After all, 1979 was their most profitable year ever, and they still tanked in 1985.
MTD let the cub cadet brand go to crap right away with the aluminum rear ends, but it really started to show with the "cyclops" series, so named for the single headlight lens. The hoods were plastic. Only 2 gear driven models, both with junky Briggs and Stratton engines. One of those gear drives, the 1335, was only rumored to have ever existed. There were idiot lights on the dash. The brand was made deliberately harder to work on at home, so you needed to bring it to the dealer to get service. Then, they decided, " heck with that," and engineered the tractors to fail so you'd just buy a new one every 2 or 3 years. What a shame.
thank you for watching and commenting. after i produced this, i learned about the tiger-striped Cubs. i didn’t know about the second gear drive cyclops. i had a 1650 with two hydraulic ports, a 682, a 1440, a GT 2544, an LT46 and this current XT3 GSX. i think the quality really took a dive around 2000 when they came out with those egg-shaped tractors. I (and probably everyone else) curse McCardell. thank you again
Back in the 90s, the 1000 series were lawn tractors. The 2000 series were your standard sized garden tractors, and the 3000 series and super garden tractors were the supers. In the 2000s, the 2000/2500 series were your standard garden tractors, then the 3000 series were the supers.
Yes. That’s correct. The series 3000 had one or two hydraulic valves with shaft drive. The 200s were mechanical lift with some being shaft driven and the 1000 were lawn tractors.
I have a handful of Cub Lo-Boy 154's and one IH 184. Nowhere on my 184 does it say Cub or is it painted in Cub colors. Just the same people still say Cub 184. Yeah we know the lineage behind it, but it is not a Cub.
If you want to dig in my videos I have one with the sickle bar mower, not many pics around of them and far as I know only video of one.
I thought komatsu built the 284/274?
thank you for mentioning this. I know the 274 was modified by Komatsu and had a Nissan motor in it. the 284 was indeed built by Komatsu and had Mazda and Nissan engines depending upon whether you bought a gas or diesel. Mitsubishi built some later and then virtually the same tractor turned into a Cub cadet and then a Mahindra. I like Mitsubishis and it seems like they've had a lot of success building tractors for other manufacturers. Thank You for your knowledge
@LedgemereHeritageFarm did you ever see Bud yewell's presentation from a few years back at red power re union or round up whatever they called it...he was an engineer at ih. Not sure I spelled his name right. He didn't have anything nice to say about the 284, I guess they had some pto problems, not sure.
I remember staring at the literature for the 284 as a kid picturing myself pounding the ground with one:-). My dad always wanted one because he grew up on a super c and the 284 was kind of a replacement for that size range. I still want one someday.
MTD kept the line quality but now it's junk sadly I need to fix up mo 07 M60 TANK
Stanley black and decker finished them off I think
This was the good old days. Too bad Cub couldn't break away from MTD/Black n Decker and go back to there roots. Seems like the only two companies that are continuing on with these types of tractors are Massey Ferguson and John Deere.
I agree. It's all about who has the cheapest piece of crap it seems. The JD Dealer told me from what he can tell is that people "just want a new tractor about every two years". In two years, the box store junk hopefully doesn't crap out. they're sold on big HP motors and wide decks. Simplicity still makes a great tractor, but the dealers are pretty sparse and I think Husqvarna still makes a high-end tractor with a Kawasaki. CC stopped with the Kawasaki motors after the pandemic due to supply issues. Thank you for watching
Your editing will give someone a seizure
Waiting for your video to come out
@@LedgemereHeritageFarm link in bio. Don’t be so defensive for constructive criticism can only help