1:30 for people who already understand the concept of rares vs uniques :) Edit: Also, the reason why you are "giving up your enchant" to use these unique helmets is because they are generally considered pretty niche, so it will be next to impossible to find versions of them with the enchant you need. You could farm it yourself, but that is an unreasonable amount of time to spend just to use one of these options. Edit 2: I made a couple of significant mistakes. A savage hit is 15% of your max life, not 30%. While flickering, you are indeed always stationary, but you are not CONTINUOUSLY stationary- meaning effects that build up over time (like Soul of Tukohama) will not work. I apologize for these errors, and I will make an effort to do better research next time!
Lioneye's Vision, the dexterity is not meant to be a downside but GGG added it to make green sockets easier to roll, since most builds that want to use this chest will probably be using some green gems.
@@ShadowFri3nd There's an interesting interaction with Shattering Steel and Fork/Chain, I don't know if it still exists but with fork you can shotgun enemies with the projectiles if you're standing really close (read: in) to them.
@@alexanderliu2227 hmm i think that the fork shotgun was nerfed, thats why im using pierce now. Shattering Stell still have his base Shotgun but with pierce you can have the shotgun mechanic for metamorphs and the pierce still works for enemy mobs (metamorphs/boss ads), you just need to stand very close to it. im doing a really cheap build (like 5ex only and thats because i have a 1ex Lethal Pride) but with very good results because im Tank (standing close its almost suicide but when you have 20/25k armour + Upgraded Fortify, you cant get oneshoted) and also have really good dmg (Impale Ramps up really fast with this skill like Cyclone) Awakener 8 down, Uber Elder Down, still need to test Uber Atziri.
@@ShadowFri3nd im also running shattering build, and after a few search of either fork or pierce, it seems like huge fork shotgun damage was bug and its fixed now. You can still shotgun with pierce thou. Its just not gonna give you back in the days bug-like fork damage
Drawback of every one of them can simply be summarized as "tough competition": more and more insanely good items/affixes are introduced patch after patch, the opportunity cost of using meme items is getting higher and higher.
Honestly this series is awesome. I like the puzzle aspect of making your own build and these 2 videos filled my head with cheap starter build and now I'm even more hyped for next league.
I am happy to see you like my Debeon's Dirge! The Knockback it causes on Warcry is so very small that it doesn't really affect gameplay at all (With or without Empire's Grasp). Think of it more as of a role play flair on the item. Fun Fact: My initial goals with this item were to be able to play Hybrid Spell/Melee with the 150% Increased Elemental Damage it provides. It really was only actually worth for melee in the end.
Great list! I would love to see more underrated uniques loooong before any over rated ones. I think a great idea (for patreon maybe?) would be to slap all these item into a poll and make a build around the winner. The unique I'm dreaming of a good build for currently is The Bringer of Rain. I just think it's a super interesting 7-link helmet, with a huge downside though. For that build I was looking at gifts from above to help reach block cap while dual wielding Rigwald's Command/Savagery. I think something fun might be there!
I've been trying to make builds around weird/unused uniques this league and honestly vulconus looks extremely good when you have permanent avatar.... like holy fk that crit... Also the only issue I find is that daggers are extremely constricting in what skills you can use.... I really wish they would change that...
Running it Cyclone CoC Purifying Flame/Wave of Conviction Assassin, doing pretty well but a bit squishier than I expected. It's potentially cheaper than the very well known cold variant with Cospri's (and Hatred Watcher's Eyes cost a ton). Build guide at: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2758333
The issue is that as you both pointed out, you basically HAVE to run cyclone. And as a grandmaster hipster running cyclone hurts my soul. Jokes aside I typically dont like 1 dimensional skills and cyclone its probably one of the biggest offenders.
You *can* use grey spire with a kaom's, you just need an elder helm with those "supported by" mods, those are usually pseudo 6-links and you can make some pretty chunky combos with that.
I LOVE my Dancing Duo build. You mentioned it's synergy with minion builds, let me expand on that: Using a meat shield 4 link with Spectre and a 5-6 Link with Herald of Agony completely covers both downsides of the Dancing Duo, namely the lack of defence and low single target damage. From there you can just run any 4 Link spell or attack that can proliferate poison stacks with Lesser Poison Support and Poison Support. It's a TON of fun to run Delves with in particular because of how aggressive the Dervishes are.
22:50 my thoughts on knockback:empires grasp. And maybe close combat depending on skill. Would kinda work like the old vacuum cleaner ghostbuster memes.
I often use the Thousand Ribbons armour with the Prismweave belt to level up till level 50-60. I also often end up using Le Heup Of All ring on so many builds given that the implicite can be changed with a proper corruption. Ming's Heart is ridiculously underrated as well because it has an HP penalty , but the damage it can provide makes map farming all that much more easy and chaos resist remains so over looked by most of the community which is a shame imo. I sure would like it if you took the time to make a second and third episode on this topic and the overpriced one is a great idea. Keep up the great work :-)
That 30 minutes went by so fast! I really enjoyed this. PoE has so many uniques now that it's easy to forget older ones and entirely miss new ones. I actually run dream fragments on my characters till fully min maxed in the late 80's because its SO quality of life; never chilled and no fear of clicking unid freeze strong boxes :D I'd definitely love to see more videos on the other items you ommitted or that overrated idea.
Vulconus is pretty nice with the right build. I'm doing a CoC Cyclone Purifying Flame/Wave of Conviction assassin and I dual wield Vulconus for it. Lots of free crit and fire damage.
Using ther Hyrii's Truth currently in my self-bleeding flicker build. It is mandatory for it as I use pride and at 50% mana reservation, pairing with 2x Ichimonji reduced mana reservation allows me to also use a artic armor for the phys and fire damage reduction which is good for survivability.
@@baraklight well, I guess dream fragments wasn't mendatory, with mom and 1k8 int, the 20% mana feel great, in the end i'd like to use a cerulan ring, but dream fragments was à cheap option :)
I use the Dancing duo with a small minion army build, using Facebreakers. They actually do more damage than the few other zombies I have and clear the screen before the rest of us catch up.
pretty good video actually. i usually think that i dont get manipulated to much / notice if im getting, but i have to admit i never even respected the items just because they were hella cheap. just trashing them into vendor. yet alone the idea of corrupting them for cheap is a winning point IMO. got you a subscriber :)
What he meant is that in most cases, these niche helmets will most likely not have an enchant that you want, meaning that if your build 100% needs an enchant to work, like stormcall or EQ, you will, again in most cases, have to farm it yourself, and good luck hiting that specific enchant you need
LOLOL the whispering ice one i am using that in a 3-2 link(6 sockets) with cyclone and so on and basically she just spins around as everything around her dies to hail hail everywhere its slow but its a lot of fun as a side build to have
I like that this league has shaken things up a bit, and in my opinion made those uniques viable. Before the starategies were "kill bosses so fast that they can't kill you". Now with longer fights like the awakener, defensive stats seem to have increased value.
I would love to see more of these unique's, I would also love to see a build or 2 using some of these unique's. The Vulconus and Debeon's Dirge are the ones catching my eye the most for some reason. Anyways, I see your channel always pop up on my RUclips so I think it is time to finally Subscribe, Cheers!
@@knicklichtjedi You will have 1500-1600 life on a low life, lvl 90 character. So this give you 480ES, but you're now also forced into having a huge, unreserved mana pool lest you don't die to chaos damage. Seems not so much worth the cost.
Hey I started using Hale negator! I'm using it with a phase acro trickster. 54% spell dodge when I get hit. 6 abyss jewels, shroud of the lightless. Aspect of the crab, ghost shrouds, flesh and stone, 7% chance to blind on hit. I'm using incinerate with the less damage taken channeling node. It's so funny. I just facetank the metamorphs in t15s until I take any damage. Then I drop traps and run around a little. I'm still leveling though, just hit 80 last night. I started running red tier at 73 as soon as I could equip all my gear. This is the tankiest build I ever made. About 9.2k life + es with doryani jewel, life and es leech. I'm currently using self cast wave of conviction for onslaught, arcane surge and culling strike, and then flamethrower trap for extra DPS. I'm thinking that the DPS is actually not worth not being able to see anything, so I might go totem, multi totem, wave, cull then go storm brand, onslaught, chain, arcane surge. Still working on the build. Only have about 650k DPS, but it should hit 1mil when I level my gems. Hale negator + crab + ghost shroud is just silly.
Woah, someone actually uses Flamethrower Trap! :O Btw, is Aspect of the Crab really worth it? How would you rank it against Arctic Armor and Flesh and Stone as alternatives, as well as the other Aspects (assuming you could only fit in one 25% reservation)?
@@ArawnOfAnnwn yeah I kinda like flamethrower trap. It's super useful and does solid damage. You can plant it at doors and open them so you don't get ambushed. I'm not sure how valuable crab is. Spider is not very defensive. It's really great for builds that need to keep some distance to deal damage. F&s is kinda basic, but generally very useful, but it actually doesn't protect that much. AA is ok, but your play style can make it worthless. Thing is that lots of things give you protection when you are in battle, fortify, AA, and stuff. If you drop fortify, and you are walking to the next pack, you have no defenses. Crab would help there. It helps vs physical one shots. Stack it with f&s, and you get 30% from off screen one shots. So far, I like the build. It's very tanky. DPS is getting better. I killed drox yesterday and it didn't feel so bad.
I have a weak spot for Underrated Uniques and have used way too much from this list! The shield Saffell's Frame has 4% max res too. I liked Dancing Duo with Doryani's Fist, Herald of Purity, Smite in a Vivinsect, and some other minion stuff. Your Debeon's Dirge talk sounds like it could enable Deidbellow. At least in group play, because we are talking about a 50% attack speed, 30% cast speed, and 30% movement speed buff for everyone. Currently, I use Whispering Ice CWC Cyclone on a Mana Guardian to stack Herald of Agony with Volkuur's Guidance. Cheap start, tanky, a bit clunky, and maybe more than a bit weird. So... yeah, I would be highly interested in more content of that kind!
@@gelion1990 You can just import my character. It is a bit older but you can see the idea behind it. A lot of potentials to optimize, I put no currency in the build, because my main char was aura support and I used the char only for solo farming when nobody was online. Acc: JoshuaHQ Char: Mancers_Touch
I've been sold on Gifts for 3 leagues now, since a coc build I tried used one . I've been wanting to dual Vulconus for some time now . All I'm waiting for is a bit of buffing on them .
I'm not super familliar with a lot of the things in poe, but one downside on a lot of these that I think deserves a mention is "absense of ele res" capping your ele res can be very difficult if you use more than a few uniques in your build. don't get me wrong, some of these do have really nice effects, but most of the people i know generally say "if the unique is not build definining (either from special ability, or crazy damage) and it doesn't have ele res / hp, then it's probably not worth using unless you've got super good parts elsewhere, and if you have that much money, you can probably afford something better than these 'ok' ones
Isnt the problem with Debeon's Dirge similar to Oro's Sacrifice? Having little physical damage but a lot of nodes increase only physical weapon / axe damage?
Lol. Debeon's Dirge. I can't stop thinking about trying to use this item. Love seeing it on your list. Warcry Berserker with Deidbellow and that axe. You're ruining my memes.
Regarding max res: Saffels frame gives +4 max all res. I still think Grey Spire is easily slept on. Pair it with one/two HoP rings and you should probably be set damage wise and could probably build only def with rest of your items
I am pretty sure vulconus only adds local crit chance to this weapon while affected by AoF. So instead of crazy 400% global crit chance it's a "terrible" 200% local crit chance.
im interested the build you were showing at the start and the end. Anyway i can copy that build? I know what build it is, its just hard to find a good guide on it.
If you spec avatar of fire, you cannot even get the huge crit bonus as you will no longer be able to make enemies bleed with you 100% fire damage. It is only useful with the rotating avatar of fire buff that let's you sometimes bleed an enemy
I LOL'd when you said "some weird meme duelist build" which is actually something i was making for fun with bleeding and burning focus XD Something I am gonna play with next league likely.
Dude, for dancing duo, Go unarmed build with dancing !! Doryiani fist or facebreaker are AWSOME with it. You just use it as a dmg booster and go ham empty handed.
I’m at work and don’t have time to look it up yet, can an arakaalies fang spider build clear hall of grandmaster on PS4 it’s like one of the last 3 maps I need to do.
an item u forgot bro; reach of the council bow. this thing is so awesom for its price + u can get the legacy one for 30+ex. this bow is the best ingame imo until u get some crazy 1 mirror bow but then again, no rare bow in the game shoot up 5 arrows. yea u lose crits but it worth it when you shoot 2 other arrow stack that with dying sun+ deadeye passive and quiver +1 projectile. bro u shoot 10 arrows in 1 attack XD. op af. just get ur crits from somwhere else.
Hermires Le David but a random 6-link rare will be way cheaper (~ 30 c) meaning the unique is actually useless. If you have 1-2 ex to buy a bad unique then just farm a bit more and buy “best-in-slot” unique/rare for 3-4 ex...
@@Davidthelearner I get that. My question was an item where one of the pro's is 6.5 links and a 1c cost where those number came from. If you buy it, and then spend 300 jewelers to get it to 6 sockets, and then spend 1200 fusings to fully link it, you've effectively spend 20c on jewelers and 300c on fusings. Ultimately, you've just spend 2 ex on the thing, going by todays prices. then outright buying the 1ex version is cheaper...
Sire of Shards is ridiculous with Cremation, gives you an all content clearing build, which excels in bossing. It's what I'm clearing my endgame with in HC Meta.
Yes, please do a sequel AND an overrated one. I still haven't put my own build together ever and I like hearing the thought process behind it from others.
can u create some pob with this dagger, axe, and staff? I'm played for 3 year, and I see a lot of damage on this items but never see some build happening with this ones... (btw pretty cool video, u have one more sub)
brine crown: have no experience with, but yes. the stats are good lioneye's vision: have no experience with. needs to be 6 linked and also is known to be one of the hardest items to color for the builds that would consider using it. but going by the stats, yes it's decent, needs resists though. dexterity requirement appears to give me a stronger reason to like this chest, it wasn't there before. hale negator: have no experience with. doesn't interest me too much. bloodgrip: oh the memories, i used to like this item, i still do, i just don't use it as often anymore because i need resists, can find a better amulet or already have something better. might also be worth mentioning that it use to be a level (50-60) item before, so i suppose this explains why i don't use it as much anymore. gifts from above: i remember when this thing was worth several exalts. obtaining it was hard back then. it never really struck me as an item i would like to use in my builds, again, resists and life. le heup are good rings that i tend to use in it's place while leveling. crit isn't really that important until later on in the game, which is also when resists and necessary, neither of these rings have life which is ALSO an endgame requirement. so in the end, le heup wins this battle. for it's intended purpose, yes, they are good when it comes to crit. snakepit: back in the day, it used to provide +1 proj to spells and cold damage instead of spell damage. i prefered the projectiles. still, i have no real experience with this ring. whispering ice: i used it once, but my build wasn't that good, never used it since, wish i could though, but the concept of stacking one specific attribute is an expensive subject to me. dancing duo: no experience with, i wish i did though, just doesn't appeal to me enough. the grey spire: i wish i had more experience with this one but i don't. my first thought when i saw it was: wow, that's pretty cool! rightous fire perhaps? vulconus: oh my god, i completely forgot you can just manually get avatar of fire through other means, this explains why i have looked down on it before. that is pretty sick when i look at it again. feel pretty dumb for not using it earlier. those are some pretty sick stats tbh. sire of shards: i have tried to use this one a couple times. in fact, the last time i used it was worth magma orb when legion farming glaciers during that league, it was pretty good, the only problem is it's damage and the fact it can really only be used in lower tier maps. there is also cospri's malice ice nova and frostbolt semi magic find which to date is my most successful and enjoyable builds i have, it's fast, it's strong, it survives great... but nothing of this has to do with sire of shards... hmmm. lets just say sire of shards worked, until i found something way better. the concept is great, it just feels a little weak debeon's dirge: i want to use it so badly, i just need to make a build for it first, or find one but something is holding me back everytime. someday maybe, if it doesn't get nerfed (for some reason) dream fragment: not bad, i would use it more, if it weren't for the fact le heup is king and i have a bunch of elreon rings or other sources. i don't necessarily play on standard all the time, so there are some moments, but most likely, i don't use it too often. it's a good replacement for wanderlust though. hyrri's truth: never used it yet, probably won't, for obvious reasons.
I would've liked that the 6 linkable items would be priced as 6l, not just 1c, because you can have some at a divine, (debeon's) or at an ex or more once 6 linked. (Sire of shards is currently 1.6ex)
The reason that Vulconis is really *not* a great item to build around is that you need to pair it with Xoph's Heart, completely negating the low cost advantage. Otherwise you're spread thin between the right side of the tree and the left top, just so you can grab AoF. A normal dagger build will already be low on EHP, this just makes it way worse. A scion might pull that off reasonably well, but then again, what is this build competing with? You're looking at a low AS weapon and need a very specific setup to make it consistent. Looking at items/game elements in isolation can lead to weird results that don't map well onto reality. Want a cheap unique dagger that is actually decent and doesn't suck to build around? White Wind. Another point worth making when talking about budget uniques is economy and the player's current situation. Some of these uniques are great on a fresh start and can be subsequently replaced later on. They're stepping stones toward the endgame build. And while you can make endgame viable builds around unique items, you probably shouldn't. While the per slot cost might be low, the cost for different slots might rise disproportionally.
I wouldn't say it's that weird. You could go crit + whatever skill (reave/cyclone/bf) with for example inquisitor with it. Shouldn't be much of a problem to hit 6k+ hp and so on. The only Issue I see is is that fire damage isn't that great when you compare it to physical damage or the clear speed benefits of cold skills.
TBH a large number of the uniques you mentioned caught my eye at some point then i go to path of building trying to make a build around it and it end up with disappointment. i learned there is reasons why they are not popular
most of these uniques have the same issue tho: no life no res on a piece of gear is nearly a death sentence for it's viability , to overcome that you usually need some insane pro or build enabling stuff missing like 300hp is just too big especially in T16+
And usually you can consider using something like this if it's thr only item on you that doesn't provide EHP. But if your niche meme build needs 2 items with no life, it gets really hard to justify the opportunity cost. But hey, that's what softcore is for 😁
@@voidroad Yeah. Every time I use a piece of no-EHP gear I end up blaming every death on it. "Oh I would have survived that double Flame Blast from Uber Atziri if I just had like 70 life on this piece of shit ring" And then I never use it again.
Seen Fastaf videos? Insane mirror tier builds and he usually only has 1 or 2 uniques. At highest level gear rares are just more damage and survivability.
@@Xirpzy Yes, GGG has stated that they always want the best items in the game to be rares. Uniques only compete with those unique affixes. Most good builds use only a few uniques.
Dancing duo is UNBELIEVABLY fun, and the damage isn't that low either, for investment price it's actually absurd, combine it with HoAg and gg you win the game
You don't HAVE to, it's just a lot easier. You're probably playing on the trade-enabled league, but if you want to play solo self-found, you can enable that when making a new character. Mind that doing so doesn't improve your drop rates or anything, so it's not recommended for new players (think of it like a hard mode).
Mendicant Bias oh ok! I’m still trying to understand how builds work in this game, since it’s different from Diablo 3. I just keep buffing my fireball attack right now haha!
@@ryukirito2616 For a new player, I'd STRONGLY recommend watching Engineering Eternity's beginner's guide series on RUclips. This game is pretty damn complex (and often downright counter-intuitive) compared to D3 (but on the flipside has a LOT more potential for creative experimentation), so doing some learning early on will help offset a lot of confusion and failure. And for beginner friendly builds to try exploring the game with, I'd recommend Enki's Arc Witch (for a spellcaster) or Sovyn's Lazy Pally (for melee). Both have detailed and step by step build guides on the forums that you can easily find via Google and have stood the test of time. Their respective forum pages are also very active to this day, so you can pretty reliably ask questions there and expect to have them answered (if they haven't already been answered earlier, which is very likely).
Mendicant Bias Yeah I have watched a couple of those from him to understand loot filters, currency, and some other things I hadn’t understood yet. I had watched a video on the arc witch (since I’m playing a witch) and that shredded a lot faster than my damn fireballs even through buffing it with fire attack passives 😂. I was trying to see if I could use the fire beam since that’s what I roll with in D3 with my normal set, but it’s not as powerful as chucking fireballs haha. I’ll have to check out the forums. I appreciate the help!
1:30 for people who already understand the concept of rares vs uniques :)
Edit: Also, the reason why you are "giving up your enchant" to use these unique helmets is because they are generally considered pretty niche, so it will be next to impossible to find versions of them with the enchant you need. You could farm it yourself, but that is an unreasonable amount of time to spend just to use one of these options.
Edit 2: I made a couple of significant mistakes. A savage hit is 15% of your max life, not 30%. While flickering, you are indeed always stationary, but you are not CONTINUOUSLY stationary- meaning effects that build up over time (like Soul of Tukohama) will not work. I apologize for these errors, and I will make an effort to do better research next time!
Hope to see you do a sequel video with other underrated uniques.
Lioneye's Vision, the dexterity is not meant to be a downside but GGG added it to make green sockets easier to roll, since most builds that want to use this chest will probably be using some green gems.
It's a very clever chest. The real downside is, ironically, the pierce since lots of stuff wants Chain/Fork over piercing.
@@NightfallGemini i have a shattering steel build and i have Pierce on it, its better Fork or Chain?
@@ShadowFri3nd There's an interesting interaction with Shattering Steel and Fork/Chain, I don't know if it still exists but with fork you can shotgun enemies with the projectiles if you're standing really close (read: in) to them.
@@alexanderliu2227 hmm i think that the fork shotgun was nerfed, thats why im using pierce now.
Shattering Stell still have his base Shotgun but with pierce you can have the shotgun mechanic for metamorphs and the pierce still works for enemy mobs (metamorphs/boss ads), you just need to stand very close to it.
im doing a really cheap build (like 5ex only and thats because i have a 1ex Lethal Pride) but with very good results because im Tank (standing close its almost suicide but when you have 20/25k armour + Upgraded Fortify, you cant get oneshoted) and also have really good dmg (Impale Ramps up really fast with this skill like Cyclone) Awakener 8 down, Uber Elder Down, still need to test Uber Atziri.
@@ShadowFri3nd im also running shattering build, and after a few search of either fork or pierce, it seems like huge fork shotgun damage was bug and its fixed now. You can still shotgun with pierce thou. Its just not gonna give you back in the days bug-like fork damage
Drawback of every one of them can simply be summarized as "tough competition": more and more insanely good items/affixes are introduced patch after patch, the opportunity cost of using meme items is getting higher and higher.
Definitely a sequel please! This vid stumbled into my feed and I've subbed because of it. Love seeing this type of content about PoE.
yea good idea but every damn good cheap unique will sky rocket so...
I believe the "+160 dex req" on lioneyes isnt a "downside", just a mechanics thing to make green sockets possible
Honestly this series is awesome. I like the puzzle aspect of making your own build and these 2 videos filled my head with cheap starter build and now I'm even more hyped for next league.
I am happy to see you like my Debeon's Dirge! The Knockback it causes on Warcry is so very small that it doesn't really affect gameplay at all (With or without Empire's Grasp). Think of it more as of a role play flair on the item. Fun Fact: My initial goals with this item were to be able to play Hybrid Spell/Melee with the 150% Increased Elemental Damage it provides. It really was only actually worth for melee in the end.
That's good to know because I was getting PTSD from D3's Echoing Fury (technically flee on hit instead of knockback, but close enough)
Saffell's Frame also gives +4% to all maximum Resistances
Rise of the Phoenix aswell
@Flippy Flip i realised that shortly after welp
Time to meme it out with Awoken Max resistance build.
I would love to see another underrated uniques video!
Great list! I would love to see more underrated uniques loooong before any over rated ones. I think a great idea (for patreon maybe?) would be to slap all these item into a poll and make a build around the winner.
The unique I'm dreaming of a good build for currently is The Bringer of Rain. I just think it's a super interesting 7-link helmet, with a huge downside though. For that build I was looking at gifts from above to help reach block cap while dual wielding Rigwald's Command/Savagery. I think something fun might be there!
A long time ago Bringer of Rain was a key part of a very popular meta build, in combination with Wings of Entropy. Sadly, their time has passed...
I've been trying to make builds around weird/unused uniques this league and honestly vulconus looks extremely good when you have permanent avatar.... like holy fk that crit... Also the only issue I find is that daggers are extremely constricting in what skills you can use.... I really wish they would change that...
yees lacerate dagger sounds great
Im going to make an elementalist melee build with It, Just cause i can tho Hhahahah
Running it Cyclone CoC Purifying Flame/Wave of Conviction Assassin, doing pretty well but a bit squishier than I expected. It's potentially cheaper than the very well known cold variant with Cospri's (and Hatred Watcher's Eyes cost a ton).
Build guide at: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2758333
Last league I had a cyclone cast on crit raider with Vulconus. That was stupidly fun. I think there is even a build guide on yt.
The issue is that as you both pointed out, you basically HAVE to run cyclone. And as a grandmaster hipster running cyclone hurts my soul. Jokes aside I typically dont like 1 dimensional skills and cyclone its probably one of the biggest offenders.
Would love to see both of those videos, as there are so many uniques in POE
You *can* use grey spire with a kaom's, you just need an elder helm with those "supported by" mods, those are usually pseudo 6-links and you can make some pretty chunky combos with that.
I LOVE my Dancing Duo build. You mentioned it's synergy with minion builds, let me expand on that: Using a meat shield 4 link with Spectre and a 5-6 Link with Herald of Agony completely covers both downsides of the Dancing Duo, namely the lack of defence and low single target damage. From there you can just run any 4 Link spell or attack that can proliferate poison stacks with Lesser Poison Support and Poison Support. It's a TON of fun to run Delves with in particular because of how aggressive the Dervishes are.
22:50 my thoughts on knockback:empires grasp. And maybe close combat depending on skill. Would kinda work like the old vacuum cleaner ghostbuster memes.
Sadly empire's grasp are just really really bad. Knockback in general is, even in reverse.
Really well done, informative video. I would love to see a video of your opinion on some over-valued uniques in the future!
I often use the Thousand Ribbons armour with the Prismweave belt to level up till level 50-60.
I also often end up using Le Heup Of All ring on so many builds given that the implicite can be changed with a proper corruption. Ming's Heart is ridiculously underrated as well because it has an HP penalty , but the damage it can provide makes map farming all that much more easy and chaos resist remains so over looked by most of the community which is a shame imo.
I sure would like it if you took the time to make a second and third episode on this topic and the overpriced one is a great idea. Keep up the great work :-)
*A savage hit is a hit that removes at least 15% of the target's maximum life*
That 30 minutes went by so fast! I really enjoyed this. PoE has so many uniques now that it's easy to forget older ones and entirely miss new ones. I actually run dream fragments on my characters till fully min maxed in the late 80's because its SO quality of life; never chilled and no fear of clicking unid freeze strong boxes :D
I'd definitely love to see more videos on the other items you ommitted or that overrated idea.
Vulconus is pretty nice with the right build. I'm doing a CoC Cyclone Purifying Flame/Wave of Conviction assassin and I dual wield Vulconus for it. Lots of free crit and fire damage.
Whispering Ice always makes me smile. It's a very interesting staff that's all opportunity.
Cool, bought The Brine Crown right away to use on my Jugg until I get an enchanted helmet. :)
Using ther Hyrii's Truth currently in my self-bleeding flicker build. It is mandatory for it as I use pride and at 50% mana reservation, pairing with 2x Ichimonji reduced mana reservation allows me to also use a artic armor for the phys and fire damage reduction which is good for survivability.
Both lists a sequel and an overused item list. I just would love to know which unique are out there that you don't see in guides usually
Literally have whispering ice cards spilling out of my pockets lmao
chip skylark i dont get frustrated alot, but when i see that fucking bunny card my blood boils
Yea i never understood people trying to farm those from burial chambers. Imagine they even use divination scarabs for it lmao
@@hapeenes2927 I heard if you collect 10,000 whispering ice cards, navali will give you a headhunter
@@hapeenes2927 I'm going to assume you're joking. If you arent, Burial Chambers is the map you find The Doctor on.
Nice vid, using a int stacking whispering ice / dream fragment right now, happy to see other people zctually like those unique !
Why use dream fragment with this build?
@@baraklight well, I guess dream fragments wasn't mendatory, with mom and 1k8 int, the 20% mana feel great, in the end i'd like to use a cerulan ring, but dream fragments was à cheap option :)
4:45 Hale negator also removes 2 gem sockets from your helmet, very important to note if you need them.
In the old version of the game, Dream Fragments was a must for CI builds xD
I use the Dancing duo with a small minion army build, using Facebreakers. They actually do more damage than the few other zombies I have and clear the screen before the rest of us catch up.
Cool video.
Please do the over valued unique thingy.
I really liked the dagger, may be a BF ,burn, bleed, poison assassin build can be made?
pretty good video actually. i usually think that i dont get manipulated to much / notice if im getting, but i have to admit i never even respected the items just because they were hella cheap. just trashing them into vendor. yet alone the idea of corrupting them for cheap is a winning point IMO.
got you a subscriber :)
But you can enchant unique helms tho
Thats what i was thinking😂😂
What he meant is that in most cases, these niche helmets will most likely not have an enchant that you want, meaning that if your build 100% needs an enchant to work, like stormcall or EQ, you will, again in most cases, have to farm it yourself, and good luck hiting that specific enchant you need
LOLOL the whispering ice one i am using that in a 3-2 link(6 sockets) with cyclone and so on and basically she just spins around as everything around her dies to hail hail everywhere its slow but its a lot of fun as a side build to have
I like that this league has shaken things up a bit, and in my opinion made those uniques viable. Before the starategies were "kill bosses so fast that they can't kill you". Now with longer fights like the awakener, defensive stats seem to have increased value.
I would love to see more of these unique's, I would also love to see a build or 2 using some of these unique's. The Vulconus and Debeon's Dirge are the ones catching my eye the most for some reason. Anyways, I see your channel always pop up on my RUclips so I think it is time to finally Subscribe, Cheers!
You forgot ,
4 items
Daresso's Passion ,Allure Vaal Claw,Ewar Mirage,Fidelitas Spike.
I run 4-5 builds around those items just for fun :)
Lori's Lantern is probably the most underrated item I know of.
Hm, you got me thinking:
This ring with a Low Life build that uses The Ivory Tower might be a really cool combination! Thanks!
@@knicklichtjedi You will have 1500-1600 life on a low life, lvl 90 character. So this give you 480ES, but you're now also forced into having a huge, unreserved mana pool lest you don't die to chaos damage. Seems not so much worth the cost.
Shapers seed is also very undervalued as a levveling item imo
That mana regen XD
@@marcelwindpassinger5572 ivory tower is pretty good with str stacking builds in combination with shapers touch.
@@marcelwindpassinger5572 Huh? It's based on reserved life not unreserved life though
I'm fairly certain the added dex requirement on Lioneye is so it's easier to roll green sockets for projectile builds that would want pierce.
You spoke about Vulconus, I can't leave this video without letting a like. Great Job.
You missed probably the most powerful option for sire of shards: Cremation. It's damn near BiS for it.
"Gift from above" is insane on a inquisitor that picks the notes that gives perma concetrated ground
Hey I started using Hale negator!
I'm using it with a phase acro trickster. 54% spell dodge when I get hit. 6 abyss jewels, shroud of the lightless. Aspect of the crab, ghost shrouds, flesh and stone, 7% chance to blind on hit.
I'm using incinerate with the less damage taken channeling node.
It's so funny. I just facetank the metamorphs in t15s until I take any damage. Then I drop traps and run around a little. I'm still leveling though, just hit 80 last night. I started running red tier at 73 as soon as I could equip all my gear.
This is the tankiest build I ever made. About 9.2k life + es with doryani jewel, life and es leech.
I'm currently using self cast wave of conviction for onslaught, arcane surge and culling strike, and then flamethrower trap for extra DPS. I'm thinking that the DPS is actually not worth not being able to see anything, so I might go totem, multi totem, wave, cull then go storm brand, onslaught, chain, arcane surge.
Still working on the build. Only have about 650k DPS, but it should hit 1mil when I level my gems.
Hale negator + crab + ghost shroud is just silly.
Woah, someone actually uses Flamethrower Trap! :O Btw, is Aspect of the Crab really worth it? How would you rank it against Arctic Armor and Flesh and Stone as alternatives, as well as the other Aspects (assuming you could only fit in one 25% reservation)?
@@ArawnOfAnnwn yeah I kinda like flamethrower trap. It's super useful and does solid damage. You can plant it at doors and open them so you don't get ambushed.
I'm not sure how valuable crab is. Spider is not very defensive. It's really great for builds that need to keep some distance to deal damage. F&s is kinda basic, but generally very useful, but it actually doesn't protect that much. AA is ok, but your play style can make it worthless.
Thing is that lots of things give you protection when you are in battle, fortify, AA, and stuff. If you drop fortify, and you are walking to the next pack, you have no defenses. Crab would help there. It helps vs physical one shots. Stack it with f&s, and you get 30% from off screen one shots.
So far, I like the build. It's very tanky. DPS is getting better. I killed drox yesterday and it didn't feel so bad.
I have a weak spot for Underrated Uniques and have used way too much from this list!
The shield Saffell's Frame has 4% max res too.
I liked Dancing Duo with Doryani's Fist, Herald of Purity, Smite in a Vivinsect, and some other minion stuff.
Your Debeon's Dirge talk sounds like it could enable Deidbellow. At least in group play, because we are talking about a 50% attack speed, 30% cast speed, and 30% movement speed buff for everyone.
Currently, I use Whispering Ice CWC Cyclone on a Mana Guardian to stack Herald of Agony with Volkuur's Guidance. Cheap start, tanky, a bit clunky, and maybe more than a bit weird.
So... yeah, I would be highly interested in more content of that kind!
do you have a pob for doryani with duos? id love to see it work
@@gelion1990 You can just import my character. It is a bit older but you can see the idea behind it. A lot of potentials to optimize, I put no currency in the build, because my main char was aura support and I used the char only for solo farming when nobody was online.
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I love doing weird unique build as well, I actually only have one "good" build.
Did you just mention Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker?
Yes, I would love to see a sequell of this video!
I've been sold on Gifts for 3 leagues now, since a coc build I tried used one . I've been wanting to dual Vulconus for some time now . All I'm waiting for is a bit of buffing on them .
The first time a Dream Fragments ring dropped for me I honestly though it was a super expensive item.
I'm not super familliar with a lot of the things in poe, but one downside on a lot of these that I think deserves a mention is "absense of ele res" capping your ele res can be very difficult if you use more than a few uniques in your build. don't get me wrong, some of these do have really nice effects, but most of the people i know generally say "if the unique is not build definining (either from special ability, or crazy damage) and it doesn't have ele res / hp, then it's probably not worth using unless you've got super good parts elsewhere, and if you have that much money, you can probably afford something better than these 'ok' ones
Isnt the problem with Debeon's Dirge similar to Oro's Sacrifice? Having little physical damage but a lot of nodes increase only physical weapon / axe damage?
Lol. Debeon's Dirge. I can't stop thinking about trying to use this item. Love seeing it on your list. Warcry Berserker with Deidbellow and that axe. You're ruining my memes.
funny enough, I remember seeing a league starter with zerk using ice crash using that weapon I believe
Regarding max res: Saffels frame gives +4 max all res. I still think Grey Spire is easily slept on. Pair it with one/two HoP rings and you should probably be set damage wise and could probably build only def with rest of your items
I am pretty sure vulconus only adds local crit chance to this weapon while affected by AoF. So instead of crazy 400% global crit chance it's a "terrible" 200% local crit chance.
Conditional weapon mods are pretty much always global
I guess I will test that. thank you
im interested the build you were showing at the start and the end. Anyway i can copy that build? I know what build it is, its just hard to find a good guide on it.
If you spec avatar of fire, you cannot even get the huge crit bonus as you will no longer be able to make enemies bleed with you 100% fire damage. It is only useful with the rotating avatar of fire buff that let's you sometimes bleed an enemy
Hrimnor's Resolve could be also really good. It has 30% increased fire dmg, life, armor, cold res and freeze/chill mitigation.
I LOL'd when you said "some weird meme duelist build" which is actually something i was making for fun with bleeding and burning focus XD
Something I am gonna play with next league likely.
Hmm, kinda wanna make a Warcry Berserker using Debeon's Dirge now. I wonder if Ice Crash would be good with it?
Dude, for dancing duo, Go unarmed build with dancing !! Doryiani fist or facebreaker are AWSOME with it. You just use it as a dmg booster and go ham empty handed.
debeon's dirge with a warcry with the support gem that makes skills pull in on knockback rather than push back? seems pretty dope tbh
I don't think there's a support gem that reverses knockback, maybe you're thinking of empires grasp, the gloves?
@@maz8421 ah yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of, my bad :)
I really like the necklace. Super nice if you need dex and that lets you get more dmg/life instead
I’m at work and don’t have time to look it up yet, can an arakaalies fang spider build clear hall of grandmaster on PS4 it’s like one of the last 3 maps I need to do.
Is there something I don't know about enchanting a unique helmet?
lioneye's vision was really popular last league for spectre builds
Dual wielding Vulconus can make for a fun (if memey) cyclone cwc/coc physical spell build
The thing about flicker strike is just not true at all. You don't count as stationary while flickering.
Thank you for correcting me- I've updated my pinned comment to let people know I was wrong.
an item u forgot bro; reach of the council bow. this thing is so awesom for its price + u can get the legacy one for 30+ex. this bow is the best ingame imo until u get some crazy 1 mirror bow but then again, no rare bow in the game shoot up 5 arrows. yea u lose crits but it worth it when you shoot 2 other arrow stack that with dying sun+ deadeye passive and quiver +1 projectile. bro u shoot 10 arrows in 1 attack XD. op af. just get ur crits from somwhere else.
The gray spire you can do elemental hit with kaoom and frostferno
Would love another video like this in the future
I keep playing this game without being rewarded.. all the loot is not good so far. Is there good loot or do u have to buy it
thanks for this. i will definitely slot hale negator since i am a dot user.
i love whispering ice i think it is super under valued but making builds with it can be tough since they icestorm effect can just melt your frames
What abou build something with kaoms hearth, grey spire, kaoms boots. And some othets thay does not have slots lol
could you use vulcanous with cyclone as a ele?
Where are you getting your prices?
The lioneye's glare starts at 1 ex for both standard and Metamorph if you want 6-sockets according to poe.trade :S
For 6 link that so fkn cheap
Who tf will sell those for 1 c
He talking about item not it's link
Hermires Le David but a random 6-link rare will be way cheaper (~ 30 c) meaning the unique is actually useless. If you have 1-2 ex to buy a bad unique then just farm a bit more and buy “best-in-slot” unique/rare for 3-4 ex...
@@Davidthelearner I get that. My question was an item where one of the pro's is 6.5 links and a 1c cost where those number came from.
If you buy it, and then spend 300 jewelers to get it to 6 sockets, and then spend 1200 fusings to fully link it, you've effectively spend 20c on jewelers and 300c on fusings.
Ultimately, you've just spend 2 ex on the thing, going by todays prices.
then outright buying the 1ex version is cheaper...
@@DadGamingLtd oh mb then I though u were talking about 6l price
Sire of Shards is ridiculous with Cremation, gives you an all content clearing build, which excels in bossing. It's what I'm clearing my endgame with in HC Meta.
I guess since some Inquisitors combined Sire of Shards with Cremation to get about 5mio dps on a budget it's no longer a 0dps weapon.
Yes, please do a sequel AND an overrated one. I still haven't put my own build together ever and I like hearing the thought process behind it from others.
can u create some pob with this dagger, axe, and staff? I'm played for 3 year, and I see a lot of damage on this items but never see some build happening with this ones... (btw pretty cool video, u have one more sub)
More of these? Loving it
brine crown: have no experience with, but yes. the stats are good
lioneye's vision: have no experience with. needs to be 6 linked and also is known to be one of the hardest items to color for the builds that would consider using it. but going by the stats, yes it's decent, needs resists though. dexterity requirement appears to give me a stronger reason to like this chest, it wasn't there before.
hale negator: have no experience with. doesn't interest me too much.
bloodgrip: oh the memories, i used to like this item, i still do, i just don't use it as often anymore because i need resists, can find a better amulet or already have something better. might also be worth mentioning that it use to be a level (50-60) item before, so i suppose this explains why i don't use it as much anymore.
gifts from above: i remember when this thing was worth several exalts. obtaining it was hard back then. it never really struck me as an item i would like to use in my builds, again, resists and life. le heup are good rings that i tend to use in it's place while leveling. crit isn't really that important until later on in the game, which is also when resists and necessary, neither of these rings have life which is ALSO an endgame requirement. so in the end, le heup wins this battle. for it's intended purpose, yes, they are good when it comes to crit.
snakepit: back in the day, it used to provide +1 proj to spells and cold damage instead of spell damage. i prefered the projectiles. still, i have no real experience with this ring.
whispering ice: i used it once, but my build wasn't that good, never used it since, wish i could though, but the concept of stacking one specific attribute is an expensive subject to me.
dancing duo: no experience with, i wish i did though, just doesn't appeal to me enough.
the grey spire: i wish i had more experience with this one but i don't. my first thought when i saw it was: wow, that's pretty cool! rightous fire perhaps?
vulconus: oh my god, i completely forgot you can just manually get avatar of fire through other means, this explains why i have looked down on it before. that is pretty sick when i look at it again. feel pretty dumb for not using it earlier. those are some pretty sick stats tbh.
sire of shards: i have tried to use this one a couple times. in fact, the last time i used it was worth magma orb when legion farming glaciers during that league, it was pretty good, the only problem is it's damage and the fact it can really only be used in lower tier maps. there is also cospri's malice ice nova and frostbolt semi magic find which to date is my most successful and enjoyable builds i have, it's fast, it's strong, it survives great... but nothing of this has to do with sire of shards... hmmm. lets just say sire of shards worked, until i found something way better. the concept is great, it just feels a little weak
debeon's dirge: i want to use it so badly, i just need to make a build for it first, or find one but something is holding me back everytime. someday maybe, if it doesn't get nerfed (for some reason)
dream fragment: not bad, i would use it more, if it weren't for the fact le heup is king and i have a bunch of elreon rings or other sources. i don't necessarily play on standard all the time, so there are some moments, but most likely, i don't use it too often. it's a good replacement for wanderlust though.
hyrri's truth: never used it yet, probably won't, for obvious reasons.
Sire of shards works wonders with cremation.
I would've liked that the 6 linkable items would be priced as 6l, not just 1c, because you can have some at a divine, (debeon's) or at an ex or more once 6 linked. (Sire of shards is currently 1.6ex)
Yeah, a lot of the time a “1c” unique is actually a few ex if 6-linked. Makes the label “1c” quite useless.
Thank you for this, Nathan!
Absolutely want a sequel.
The reason that Vulconis is really *not* a great item to build around is that you need to pair it with Xoph's Heart, completely negating the low cost advantage. Otherwise you're spread thin between the right side of the tree and the left top, just so you can grab AoF. A normal dagger build will already be low on EHP, this just makes it way worse. A scion might pull that off reasonably well, but then again, what is this build competing with? You're looking at a low AS weapon and need a very specific setup to make it consistent. Looking at items/game elements in isolation can lead to weird results that don't map well onto reality.
Want a cheap unique dagger that is actually decent and doesn't suck to build around? White Wind.
Another point worth making when talking about budget uniques is economy and the player's current situation. Some of these uniques are great on a fresh start and can be subsequently replaced later on. They're stepping stones toward the endgame build. And while you can make endgame viable builds around unique items, you probably shouldn't. While the per slot cost might be low, the cost for different slots might rise disproportionally.
I wouldn't say it's that weird. You could go crit + whatever skill (reave/cyclone/bf) with for example inquisitor with it. Shouldn't be much of a problem to hit 6k+ hp and so on. The only Issue I see is is that fire damage isn't that great when you compare it to physical damage or the clear speed benefits of cold skills.
@@Ca11mero Mock up a tree and see how false that is. If you want to aim for 6kHp, you need to put in some serious currency. For a 'budget' weapon.
TBH a large number of the uniques you mentioned caught my eye at some point then i go to path of building trying to make a build around it and it end up with disappointment. i learned there is reasons why they are not popular
nice video, that debeon axe is indeed interesting... maybe a warcry build for my next one? hmm
Would like a part 2, gave me some potential idea!
what i do with the Unique items that i don't need ?
most of these uniques have the same issue tho: no life no res on a piece of gear is nearly a death sentence for it's viability , to overcome that you usually need some insane pro or build enabling stuff
missing like 300hp is just too big especially in T16+
And usually you can consider using something like this if it's thr only item on you that doesn't provide EHP.
But if your niche meme build needs 2 items with no life, it gets really hard to justify the opportunity cost. But hey, that's what softcore is for 😁
@@RichHeart89 even on meta builds they're fighting against circles of guilt and stuff for the no hp slot
@@voidroad Yeah. Every time I use a piece of no-EHP gear I end up blaming every death on it.
"Oh I would have survived that double Flame Blast from Uber Atziri if I just had like 70 life on this piece of shit ring"
And then I never use it again.
Seen Fastaf videos? Insane mirror tier builds and he usually only has 1 or 2 uniques. At highest level gear rares are just more damage and survivability.
@@Xirpzy Yes, GGG has stated that they always want the best items in the game to be rares. Uniques only compete with those unique affixes. Most good builds use only a few uniques.
does anyone know if the debeon's dirge knockback works with empire's grasp?
vulconus has to be a scion weapon right
Currently running a cast while channeling whispering ice build still busy with thebstory but oh boy does it tank my framerate XD
Saffels Frame gives you 4% max res, and is cheaper than Grey Spire.
Dancing duo is UNBELIEVABLY fun, and the damage isn't that low either, for investment price it's actually absurd, combine it with HoAg and gg you win the game
15:20 hah I did a Grey spire build with Kaoms Heart AND boots, was miserable for sockets but loads of fun
What skill?
@@ArawnOfAnnwn righteous fire
@@yeah5874 Ah. Should've known...
So you have to buy gear in PoE? I just started playing, but I’ve never bought gear. I’m level 37 and I’m just playing through the story.
You don't HAVE to, it's just a lot easier. You're probably playing on the trade-enabled league, but if you want to play solo self-found, you can enable that when making a new character. Mind that doing so doesn't improve your drop rates or anything, so it's not recommended for new players (think of it like a hard mode).
Mendicant Bias oh ok! I’m still trying to understand how builds work in this game, since it’s different from Diablo 3. I just keep buffing my fireball attack right now haha!
@@ryukirito2616 For a new player, I'd STRONGLY recommend watching Engineering Eternity's beginner's guide series on RUclips. This game is pretty damn complex (and often downright counter-intuitive) compared to D3 (but on the flipside has a LOT more potential for creative experimentation), so doing some learning early on will help offset a lot of confusion and failure. And for beginner friendly builds to try exploring the game with, I'd recommend Enki's Arc Witch (for a spellcaster) or Sovyn's Lazy Pally (for melee). Both have detailed and step by step build guides on the forums that you can easily find via Google and have stood the test of time. Their respective forum pages are also very active to this day, so you can pretty reliably ask questions there and expect to have them answered (if they haven't already been answered earlier, which is very likely).
Mendicant Bias Yeah I have watched a couple of those from him to understand loot filters, currency, and some other things I hadn’t understood yet. I had watched a video on the arc witch (since I’m playing a witch) and that shredded a lot faster than my damn fireballs even through buffing it with fire attack passives 😂. I was trying to see if I could use the fire beam since that’s what I roll with in D3 with my normal set, but it’s not as powerful as chucking fireballs haha. I’ll have to check out the forums. I appreciate the help!
Great list. Gonna try something with debeons👍
TBH i was really shocked by Apep's Rage wand... 1c for tons of DPS...
I was planning a Consecrated Path build with Vulconus until I realized it's a dagger, and Consecrated Path doesn't work with daggers...