The crazy thing about this scene is that despite being shown multiple times throughout the game, we still haven’t gotten a firm grasp of what actually happened. We got a nice explanation at some point in Arcueid’s route, but you could feel they left out a LOT of details (I’m saying this as someone who’s only read the Remake). Brilliant way to make a scene incredibly important while barely mentioning anything about it
I actually think they should have omitted any explanation at all and left any details for the far side routes. Nasu went against the rule of "show, don't tell", which is kind of strange for such an experienced writer. I don't remember if the OG had this infodump though, if it had then it's understandable as back then Nasu was just at the start of his writing journey.
@@greenlitlleman I think some details/explanation was necessary because it introduced the main villain of Arcueid's route. I've gotten a bit more insight since I posted my original comment on this situation, but I still love how they hinted at the crack level of Shiki's history
@@kaz7690 The story doesn't need important story beats and plot twists to be explained in an info dump. It would've been more dramatic to hear everything from SHIKI himself or him realizing some of the truth in the flashback, instead we just have characters explaining things to Shiki in a normal conversation... the same thing actually happened to Arcuied's backstory. It was well better executed for Ciel and Noel- spoilers/ not just a random flashback, but a flashback that's actually the result of using a mental attack, that was damn clever. Nasu's writing improved, though he still was kind of lazy with too many copy-righted text from OG that feels not very coherent. The biggest disappointment for me was how he didn't bother with writing a proper resolution for Ciel's True End, Arcuied is instantly forgiven and run aways and then we just have 3 minutes directly copied from OG good ending. He put way more effort in Ciel's normal end, that with showing how things were proceeding after the final fight.
I think that was the point. Obviously this plot point has its ties to the near side routes (since you know, the host is SHIKI after all) but the actual contextualization feels better placed for the far side routes since those deal more with the mansion and its family history. Right now it’s more so a hint to what’s to come, which is what Arcs route has always been for the story tbh, og *and* remake.
Geez compared to the OG that CG/ost is BRUTAL. I can feel the trauma getting pumped right into my veins despite not being the one crying. It's with changes like these that you realize the remake was a necessity
Not fun fact: According to Hisui route, that image is exactly what she saw that day. This image is all the explanation you need why Akiha and Hisui hate SHIKI so much, at the point that Akiha disowns her blood brother.
The only reason the inversion impulse struck him so early was because of good ol’ Michael Broa Valdamjong, no? And this all happened because Dr. Arach presumably scouted out the Tohnos for Roa.
Be careful. A masterpiece it may be, this song is notoriously depressing. Don't listen to it *_too much,_* or else it may start affecting you. Emotional health is no joke, folks. Take care.
@@jeliteng3112 well atleast Shiro mind never got manipulate by someone not like Nanaya and worst part the one who manipulate Nanaya mind is same person who is the mastermind behind massacre his whole family and clan and never get his revange on that person
@@jeliteng3112 Nanaya/Tohno Shiki losing his family in front his eye, adopted by stranger (who actually is mastermind behind his family and clan massacre) , after have new family he got stab by his step older brother because Roa, got coma, when he wake up he have vision about red color creepy line all around him, when he talk about the line no one believe him(if he never meet Aoko maybe he gonna lose his sanity and maybe his life😅), and when he was in coma his mind got manipulate by the mastermind behind his Nanaya family massacre
It's a tragedy but in a different sense than Shirou and Kiritsugu. Both of the Emiya were people traumatized by a tragic event which led them to devote the rest of their life to an ideal to make sense of their suffering, to give them a reason to live on despite what they considered their sins. Shiki don't have that, because he doesn't have a scarred childhood, he simply lost it. His old family, his old memories, everything that defined the young Nanaya Shiki was "lost". Shiki tragedy come to the fact than he himself has nothing, no past, nothing dear. The only thing that help him to keep his humanity despite this is his promise to Aoko, to try to become a good person, someone who can apologize if he do something wrong.
@@crash-testproductions9341 Shiki simply losing it his tragic memory🤔, maybe in Ciel normal end on Tsukihime original but i don't think so in another route maybe not especially in Kohaku ending route when he go to Nanaya's forest with Kohaku as vacation and i bet really fully regain all his past before his Nanaya family massacre and Makihisa manipulation his mind and memory(just to bad Nasu didn't really make that happen in Kagetsu Tohya😔)
@@Archetype784 Comments about SHIKI is more of a spoiler though. However I doubt what it will spoil much. Far side was pretty confusing and didn't make much sense. Near side and far side were like parallel universes, not to mention what far side routes were also like parallel universe versions of each other. To be fair, I think what far side will be remade completely, with the exception of Shiki, SHIKI and Akiha incident of course. And, also to be fair, Tsukihime is a vn from early 2000-s so it's like crying about spoilers about ff7 or ff tactics.
「知ってはならない真実」が迫ってくる感じの曲
このBGM初めて聞いた時怖すぎて｢ああ"〜今最高に月姫やっとる〜〜｣ってなった
The crazy thing about this scene is that despite being shown multiple times throughout the game, we still haven’t gotten a firm grasp of what actually happened. We got a nice explanation at some point in Arcueid’s route, but you could feel they left out a LOT of details (I’m saying this as someone who’s only read the Remake). Brilliant way to make a scene incredibly important while barely mentioning anything about it
I actually think they should have omitted any explanation at all and left any details for the far side routes. Nasu went against the rule of "show, don't tell", which is kind of strange for such an experienced writer. I don't remember if the OG had this infodump though, if it had then it's understandable as back then Nasu was just at the start of his writing journey.
@@greenlitlleman I think some details/explanation was necessary because it introduced the main villain of Arcueid's route. I've gotten a bit more insight since I posted my original comment on this situation, but I still love how they hinted at the crack level of Shiki's history
@@kaz7690 The story doesn't need important story beats and plot twists to be explained in an info dump. It would've been more dramatic to hear everything from SHIKI himself or him realizing some of the truth in the flashback, instead we just have characters explaining things to Shiki in a normal conversation... the same thing actually happened to Arcuied's backstory. It was well better executed for Ciel and Noel-
spoilers/
not just a random flashback, but a flashback that's actually the result of using a mental attack, that was damn clever. Nasu's writing improved, though he still was kind of lazy with too many copy-righted text from OG that feels not very coherent. The biggest disappointment for me was how he didn't bother with writing a proper resolution for Ciel's True End, Arcuied is instantly forgiven and run aways and then we just have 3 minutes directly copied from OG good ending. He put way more effort in Ciel's normal end, that with showing how things were proceeding after the final fight.
I think that was the point. Obviously this plot point has its ties to the near side routes (since you know, the host is SHIKI after all) but the actual contextualization feels better placed for the far side routes since those deal more with the mansion and its family history. Right now it’s more so a hint to what’s to come, which is what Arcs route has always been for the story tbh, og *and* remake.
@@typh2630 It's closer to a spoiler than a hint. xD
みーんみんみん
みーんみんみん
みーんみんみん
セミ ノ ナキゴエ ガ キコエル
シナリオ見たあとじゃあ、意味がまるで違う
Geez compared to the OG that CG/ost is BRUTAL. I can feel the trauma getting pumped right into my veins despite not being the one crying.
It's with changes like these that you realize the remake was a necessity
Everybody's gangsta until SHIKI inverts and get possessed by a vampire at the same time.
It was a hot summer day
最近アルクルートからやり始めてこのシーンのbgm がめちゃくちゃ頭に残ったまま離れない
月姫にあまりにもマッチしすぎている。今でも聴きにくるくらい脳に染み付いてる
Akiha is crying
yeah, i can't figure out why
Chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp
No way, archetype is here
@@gwyndodrich hi
今のきのこの筆力で裏側書いたらやべぇ事になるぞ（恐怖）
god this scene hits so fucking hard, the song slaps and the cg is just so brutal, it's absolutely amazing
同感だ
@@zarathustra7090 月姫Ｒのおもいで
@@zarathustra7090 based Japanese.
同感だ
何も真実が分かってないのにトラウマになりかけるレベルで怖かったBGM
Not fun fact: According to Hisui route, that image is exactly what she saw that day.
This image is all the explanation you need why Akiha and Hisui hate SHIKI so much, at the point that Akiha disowns her blood brother.
he did nothing wrong unironically.
@@r.k845 St*bbing your adopted brother isn't wrong?!!!!! Perhaps you meant he didn't really mean as he was driven crazy.
@@tanoshiofm3852 He did nothing wrong
@@r.k845 Based SHIKI connosseur
The only reason the inversion impulse struck him so early was because of good ol’ Michael Broa Valdamjong, no?
And this all happened because Dr. Arach presumably scouted out the Tohnos for Roa.
the soundtrack in this vn is so good as usual with vns but this one in particular fits the scenario so well
頭に残ってる
このシーン普通に脳に焼き付く
勉強してるときに聞かせていただいてます！
I'm currently a bit obsessed with this song.
A true masterpiece.
Be careful. A masterpiece it may be, this song is notoriously depressing. Don't listen to it *_too much,_* or else it may start affecting you. Emotional health is no joke, folks. Take care.
@@MrDibaraI actually fell asleep to this, helped out with my anxiety quite a bit...
遠野家ルート。たぶん原型しか留めてないレベルの魔改造が施されてる。なんか表シナリオから『今からお前らを殺しにいく』感がすごい。
尚、裏発売には最短でもあと三年掛かる。
BLACK『実質一人で絵を動かしてるんだ、許してくれ』
I half expected the choir to start singing Church on The Hill
The sound of cicadas
Vibes of knk
Huh, judging by Shiki's position in this version his bro punched him so hard that he flew to tree with chest ripped
夏のホラー映画に出て来そう呪怨とか
怖いけどゾクゾクワクワクもする音楽。やっぱりプレイするべきかね
La la la
La la la la la
La la la la la
La la la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la
La la la la la.
Chiirp chiirp chiirp chiiirp
(Bugs are singing)
夏の思い出て明るいbgmを想像するがこいつは暗すぎる
これだよ、これ。
この曲を探していた。
Pain
Suffering even
The OST gives me Nier vibes with its ambience...
Damn you're right actually
セカイがふらいぱんになったみたい
I still dont feel like we got the entire story of the Summer Day in the Near Side Remake. What the hell happened on that day...
Maybe they will explain more in the Far Side remake? I haven't played the og, so I have no idea too
As someone who read the original...they will explain more. There is more to the story than what is told.
@@autumnorakithere’s big possibility that the story you know,actually might actually be subverted
This is why i always assume Nanaya/Tohno Shiki past and backstory is more tragic than both Emiya Shiro and Kiritsugu
Nanaya die 2 times Meanwhile Shirou just like "Dying"
Nanaya move on from the trauma
Shirou possesed by the trauma
@@jeliteng3112 well atleast Shiro mind never got manipulate by someone not like Nanaya and worst part the one who manipulate Nanaya mind is same person who is the mastermind behind massacre his whole family and clan and never get his revange on that person
@@jeliteng3112 Nanaya/Tohno Shiki losing his family in front his eye, adopted by stranger (who actually is mastermind behind his family and clan massacre) , after have new family he got stab by his step older brother because Roa, got coma, when he wake up he have vision about red color creepy line all around him, when he talk about the line no one believe him(if he never meet Aoko maybe he gonna lose his sanity and maybe his life😅), and when he was in coma his mind got manipulate by the mastermind behind his Nanaya family massacre
It's a tragedy but in a different sense than Shirou and Kiritsugu. Both of the Emiya were people traumatized by a tragic event which led them to devote the rest of their life to an ideal to make sense of their suffering, to give them a reason to live on despite what they considered their sins. Shiki don't have that, because he doesn't have a scarred childhood, he simply lost it. His old family, his old memories, everything that defined the young Nanaya Shiki was "lost". Shiki tragedy come to the fact than he himself has nothing, no past, nothing dear. The only thing that help him to keep his humanity despite this is his promise to Aoko, to try to become a good person, someone who can apologize if he do something wrong.
@@crash-testproductions9341 Shiki simply losing it his tragic memory🤔, maybe in Ciel normal end on Tsukihime original but i don't think so in another route maybe not especially in Kohaku ending route when he go to Nanaya's forest with Kohaku as vacation and i bet really fully regain all his past before his Nanaya family massacre and Makihisa manipulation his mind and memory(just to bad Nasu didn't really make that happen in Kagetsu Tohya😔)
イラストの木にもたれて倒れている男の子は志貴？それとも四季？どっちだろ・・・
死んでるって書いてあったからたぶん志貴
Love the ost but i hope this isn't a spoiler or anything
Not really. Shiki is misremembering this event anyway.
@@PseudonymsAreGovnoYaEbalGoogle now that could be considered a spoiler
@@Archetype784 Comments about SHIKI is more of a spoiler though. However I doubt what it will spoil much. Far side was pretty confusing and didn't make much sense.
Near side and far side were like parallel universes, not to mention what far side routes were also like parallel universe versions of each other.
To be fair, I think what far side will be remade completely, with the exception of Shiki, SHIKI and Akiha incident of course.
And, also to be fair, Tsukihime is a vn from early 2000-s so it's like crying about spoilers about ff7 or ff tactics.
@@PseudonymsAreGovnoYaEbalGoogle more like all route in tsukihime series is parallel universe both near side and far side😅
That would be a spoiler if you knew who's the injured boy near the tree and who's blood is in the ground.