Have Aston Martin F1 Recovered from THIS?
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There is a lot of talk about TD018 and flexible front wings being responsible for Aston Martin's loss of form... but what exactly does a flexible front wing do for performance? So far, I've not seen anyone even come close to trying to describe this.
In this video, I'll explain what TD018 means for car performance, then look at the performance characteristics with telemetry data, and try to see if maybe Aston Martin was playing some tricks at the start of the season...
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Aston Martin are still a midfield team. It will take time for them to be where the top 3 are. First thing they need to do is get *TWO* consistent, point-scoring drivers.
Well stated @dre, you may have called out a son out without mentioning any particular driver. Every driver is somebody's son.
Let's be honest. They need to release Stroll but they simply won't. Just look at the recent statements from Mike Krack!
We both know, that isn't happening. Stroll will never fire stroll.
Stroll will have to leave if they want to have Honda supply their engines because he is dragging them down
Imagine Honda engineers going, "GP2 driver! GP2 driver!"
just from watching the races, I been amazed all year how flexibile Merc and AM front wings were
I don’t doubt Aston was pushing the limit with flexi wings. I remember last year they found a loophole that allowed them to have an end plate on the rear wing until it was banned😂
Brazil showed this theory was BS. It was literally all down to the updates making them slow.
@@The_ZeroLine True, I was just saying at the time I believed there could be truth to those rumors since they pushed the regs in the past. But no they just fucked up bad😂
@@gabehorn69420 He asked how I thought this weekend disproved his theory...I mean, like what? Nothing wrong with being wrong. Theories and speculation are good fun. But don’t posture when it turns out you were wrong.
Well, it is also about Lance Stroll. He has virtually disappeared and he is truly struggling to even handle the car. There is something wrong with the car and the defects are masked by Alonso once again wringing everything he can out of the car.
Just like with the 2012 Ferrari which I'd say was a low midfield car
*cough* Felipe being barely in points *cough* , but Alonso was PUSHIN that thing. Just like now
Alonso in the coming races:
"GP2 WINGS, GP2 WINGS"
He is complaining about a lack of straightline speed
I think once AM found out they were on the right track, they started focusing the resources on next year car.
Not really, they had their best chamce this year. P2 in constructors. Thats the most the could ever aspire. It would be idiotic to give that up so early.
Yeah I don't know about that because for them it's not about the money they get for finishing P2. They got loads of cash. Also their new facility worth 300m is going to be available for the next season so you want more wind tunnel time there right?
@@Michalloteaston was really thinking of challenging Red Bull next year they said it so many times
There’s too much carryover for that to make sense. Evolution of the design is clearly the best way to go, unless your original conceot wasn’t working. But I pray you’re right. Alonso has had his talent wasted in more seasons than all the other GOATs combined.
Absolutely love your videos mate keep up the good work.
Flexible teammates
He's committed tho
he's not even flexible , he's constantly shit
Great graphs and illustrations on this video, Blake! 🤜🤛
Thanks, Steffen!
It's also tough only having one car consistently in the front of the grid
Was Spain not the point where the the front runners started bringing their major upgrades also?
Great video! Enjoying every piece of content!
Just wanted to share a technical issue that I see in the video all the time. There is a huge framerate drop after changing from external shots (from the races, etc) to the headshots (when you talk directly to the camera) or vice versa.
For example, in this video you can see it on 3:35 and 11:10.
Since it is systematic, I hope that you will be able to fix it! Cheers!
Thanks so much for the kind words. I'll pass the notes to my editor. I appreciate the feedback!
In my experience designing tunnels, they are highly sensitive to the flows upstream of them. You might start with a simulation, a simple 3D graph showing utilized ride heights. Based on that, you might design a floor that, at lower ride heights, does not expect its upstream flow to behave in a certain way.
You choose the compromises and then find yourself knocked off the mountain. As the video says, you might be out of the mechanical setup window, but it could be worse. The tunnels might end up really sensitive to a front-wing angle that simulations did not predict. The same can be said for the coupling of the rear wing; you might end up running a different and more aggressive rear-wing angle to recover lost rear downforce or to rebalance a now higher-angle front wing. So, from my experience, with a flexible front wing and a tunnel car, you might find yourself not just out of a mechanical setup window but also outside of an aerodynamic synergy design characteristic. You probably could have designed for this, but you didn't expect it and will need time to re-optimize.
Absolutely! the olde front wing is the first thing the air hits !
I really feel like once they realized they had a decent car they stopped and put all effort into next year. They have to know that they have nothing in Lance, and Fernando only has a few more goes. their best chance to make a splash is next year.
Their best chance was this year. You don't stop developing when you're in P2.
BMW tried that, they sacrificed 2008 for 2009, and it failed miserably
@@AnarchistMetalhead 09 was first year of new regs it could have gone either way.
Love the analysis and appreciate the hard work put into it... There were two things I had heard talked about as well with Alonso Martin F1 team I mean Aston...
1st that they made a philosophy change after Monaco, it wasn't said what but maybe this is what changed not the directive. They also said later that they went in the wrong direction with their development. So maybe parts expected to do one thing in practice were doing something different.
2nd... Going off what ive heard from others Alonso Martin F1 team... damn it I mean Aston Martin have continued to improve relative to themselves but at a slower rate then the teams around them making their relative speed slower.
Just wondering if you had looked into either of these explanations as well and if so what you may have found.
Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks! Im glad you enjoyed it!
I think I kind of refer to both of these ideas at the end. Which are totally feasible. I don't think we'll ever know. And the most probable answer is all of these things all at once over several events/upgrades
@@brrrake Why aren't we talking about the new tire specification?
@@Bahamuttiamat because it's not really much of a thing as far as I've heard or can tell
We won’t ever know, but we can now rule out flexi-wing theory after Brazil.
@@The_ZeroLine oh?
I’d love an actual explanation of how flexible wing actually works
In which regard, specifically?
What about the new structure of tyres , Blake ?
I think these were not a big change
What I dont understand is since they signed Dan Fallows. Wouldn’t he know how the RB works. Thus try incorporate that into the AM. Instead of going backwards or moving in different direction.
Considering when he went on gardening leave. I'm not sure how much about the 2022 cars he knows about.
How can we explain Alonso's performance in Zandvoort? He was P2 and matching Verstappen. Is it circuit related or just another spectacular performance by the driver?
Classic Fernando Magic
If you were to sit with AM engineers to help them, what would you recommend for ms and ls cornering? In my virtual sim hobby I'd say suspension/springs softening it?
Let me be clear, they very likely know exactly what's changed and what they need to do. Softer suspension as a concept is too simplistic and realistically in the realm of a setup tweak on the weekend, not a philosophical change in direction.
@@brrrakefair enough thx!
My favorite f1 RUclipsr back it. Let’s go Blake!
Can you explain to me why the FIA they don't randomly way Mercedes or Red Bull
Oh man I like ur videos 📹
There corner speed was still there at suzuka. What is apparent is that there straight line handling is extremely poor because they have so much drag.
Suzuka was a terrible circuit for them in high and medium speed corners and their top speed was similar to that of Ferrari.
I remember reading somewhere that the Canada upgrate caused AM to lose their balance, because they introduced to much downforce.
Is it plausibel, that this very stiff generation of cars lose balance in Medium and high speed, when high downforce levels make the suspension "go solid"?
They did pretty well in Canada though.
They're sandbagging. They had a decent platform early in the season but realized they had a way to go. They're putting their efforts into the 24 car
Really? They were P2 and decided "hey guys this is our best start to a season, we should pull back and focus on next year" 😅😅 I don't think so.
Are we ignoring the tyre construct change in Silverstone?
Yep. Not a major factor as far as I can tell and as far as I have heard from people who would know.
Aston should pick up Liam Lawson
This is as simple as Lance Stroll still has a seat. Until that changes, AM is not serious about developing a serious contender.
The cost cap limits out of the box thinking enough. I want more wild developments. I loved the days of micro upgrades and wheels creating downforce
The cost cap rewards a good hit rate with development. Issues with models or wind tunnel or simulator? You're fD
@@brrrake I think they should bake in an allowance for a second chassis incase teams screwed it up, that they wasted so much limited dev on a wrong path is enough of a punishment, otherwise you end up with mercedes scenario where they of could potentially of fixed and challenged RB but just dont have the cost allowance resulting in a boring season for no reason except rules.
@@JohnDoe-fy9cv this regulation set requires you to have good simulations and make good decisions. Mercedes flopped 2 years in a row. That idea of allowing two concepts makes no sense
@@brrrake Its not 2 concepts though, just literally enough money in the cost cap to allow them to build a second chassis and no other changes, so they can switch to a new concept quicker, like it or not current F1 wants exciting racing and the result of teams not being able to move to a newer concept because they screwed the design of their chassis and can't change that drags out the time before you have before you get competition at the top, only the most die hard F1 fans find the current season exciting with Max dominating, what the current owners want is not what the 2023 season is currently delivering, teams would still be punished for getting their sims and decisions wrong as they would be set back on dev time for the chassis they switched to compared to those who got it right.
It doesn’t limit clever thinking. It penalizes trying tons of failed designs. Newey is the best engineer of all time and continues to produce the best designs.
maybe it's just a case of copying RB without fully understanding what makes that car fast so when it comes to a stage of having to develop the car on your own two feet during the season they get lost.
I want to take AM seriously, but as long as Stroll is in that seat I can’t
Do you think the TD affected Merc?
Nothing clear there to me. I don't know.
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As Lawrence Stroll said “It’s a Five Year Journey”.
Put everyone on the old tyres
as someone who dreams to be an F1 engineer one day I must say I love your videos
The biggest elephant in the room is definitely Lance at Aston. He's not a bad guy but he's definitely holding the team back...
If Lance was replaced with a better driver (Albon), Aston could easily be 3rd in the constructors championship.
Last season Aston were 9th and had lots of testing under the new regs. Then when time came for new allotments they were 2nd so they lost a lot of testing time.
They might be struggling with this dramatic change in their testing allotment.
So, I'm curious to know how many teams have been asking for your availability, perhaps the team in black?
None 😅 just formula E and Sports cars lately. All teams have people much more clever than me, for sure. And I really enjoy making these videos and couldn't do it if I worked for a team
Thoroughly enjoying your content.
@@highlandersixtysix I'm glad! I'm not ready to go back to engineering yet. To be fair I find the content thing a lot harder
@@brrrakeaston martin cud use ur services
Great videos but the constant zooming in is distracting 👍
Less wiggly lines in this analysis. Better for the older feeble-minded geeks you seem to attract Blake.
They will return soon, don't worry!
No shot they designed the whole car around 1mm* of difference they got with this new technical directive. If you read any book about race cars, you see that it's never about one thing. Aston Martin was out developed, and they don't have 2 constantly scoring drivers.
*Every wing flexes. I don't know the specifics, but as I understand this TD18, previously they flexed let's say 4mm, now 3mm. Adrian Newey just chuckled when he was asked if TD18 hurt their performance. We can all see why.
I tried my best to explain this. I feel like it's a complicated topic but maybe I failed.
@@brrrake I personally found the video very informative and I would desperately love to know where to see all this data haha your analysis of F1 is a highlight of each weekend matey :)
Fun fact: if Lawrence stroll cloned Fernando and put him in the second car
Aston would still be p2
nah that's just not true. The car has dropped off so much they couldn't have finished higher than fourth but now, they are going to finish 5th because Lance cost them so many points that the McLarens will catch them for sure.
@@tanyaghosh2277 did you read the comment you just replied to?
i did - not even two fernando's could have kept Aston in second though, that was my main point.@@EL1TEHD1
Why is the Mercedes front wing still bending so much?
So Brazil pretty much disproved your “what actually” happened argument.
Can you explain that ?
@@brrrake If it had been a flexi-wing issue, they could not have just reverted to an old spec and been competitive. What’s to explain?
If stroll had the same points as Alonzo Aston Martin would be in Second place
That's a good point but their car went from near 2nd fastest to a bag of pewp
The gap between Alonso and Stroll is like when you race 0% ai on the f1 games. I was excited at the start of the year when i saw AM flying i was waiting for Stroll's wrist to heal so we could see some more competition between the two but alas i am but a fool who wishes for stroll to be better than he is.
Yeah Stroll even had a strong start in the season opener and i was like "damn ok this might be pretty good" and theeeeenn he remembered he's Lance Stroll
I don't even understand why They think policing flexi wings is warranted. It's a dynamic part of aero engineering. They bring ground effects back, but then severely restrict its use, especially when flexible wings can make the car safer and more stable
Execute order td18
The reason…Lance Stroll driving cause of daddy
Data don't lie.
The window licker should be banished
THROW HIM IN JAIL!
Lance Stroll is a major problem aswell 💀
Lets be real, its not the team its one of their drivers
Well as My'ck Crack said something like - While there's a difference in points, there's little difference in performance. 🤣
The car was second best in Bahrein and now it's fifth/sixth best, so it's both
Alonso can barely get into the points. You are seriously clueless
Why is Merc's DRS so bad?
Their DRS isn't great and their car is overall fairly draggy.
Blake have you considered that it's Lance's fault
Oh?
@@brrrakejust fucking with ya
@@finnnka haha I thought so after my twitter post 🤣🤣 sonova
My theory is Aston Martin may have lost momentum after the season started cause they were focused on finishing up their mega factory and moving instead of working the bugs out of their car.
Ah yes, because they couldn't possibly hire movers for that
@@Embers_YTyou can't devolop consistently whilst movi g stuff
@@Embers_YTOP isn’t saying that the employees had to move everything themselves. There is an adjustment period and not everyone was moved at the same time.
I really hope you’re not an adult because it should have been very easy to understand what they were saying
@@justinburley8659 It should be easy to understand that developmental staff wouldn't be effective if they're moving, and they can hire movers. Hopefully you don't see yourself as an adult, your passive aggression is much too childish for how little sense you make
@@jathiyakhan720 You can if developmental staff aren't doubling as movers, you dope
Who the hell is McClan F1 team? Ahhh "ground effect cars don't like low ride height" this couldn't be further from the truth they have to be low, the lower the better. You can't show a poorly set up car porpoising & say "they don't like low RH" this a huge misunderstanding of ground effect & way too much info on set up options, what are we doing here playing gran turismo set up ops?
They LIKE low rear ride height, but there are many instances where they cannot operate them as low as they would like.
How many race cars have you worked on, in real life? Have you designed or developed any of them?
You don't remember last year at all? Porpoising? Car's losing so much load once they get too low, VIOLENTLY.
I really hope your parents aren't paying for your internet connection, because it's an absolute waste.
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After all Aston downgrade still working at middle season 😂
blakes gonna make sure we know he worked at red bull
I could also start every video telling you how much I love escape from Tarkov 🤣
Aston Martin is linked to Mercedes so there is bound to be cheating going on. 👍
........?
Video is actually one minute. About minute 10 to 11. The rest is advertisement and stories from the beginning of time to fill the 10m+ quota.
It's almost like you missed the most important 6 minutes of the video. If it wasn't easy enough to digest, let me know. Sometimes these topics are a bit much.
@@brrrake Look, i don't want to be a downer. I already knew about the effects of flexy wings. People who watch these videos likely do too. I know you are working a video here and this is the established formula. This is not on you in particular. It's just this video format is tiring and i did watch your video. Usually i just downvote and close it when the story from the begging of time comes (i call that when videos go on a tangent and explain where someone was born, what they did when they were children and then get to the point. In your case, you came and talked about flexy wings and how they work before you explained your take. You were not a big offender. You and everyone has to conform to the format. My push is against the format. Hopeless as it might be.
@@NemXX2 how did you come to know about the things in the first place? Reading an article or watching a video maybe? 😬
I get the sentiment, but this video feels really clickbait-y. Aston Martin has had a drop in performance, true, but singling out the flex wing regulations as the culprit is a bit misleading. The season's not even done; they're still solidly in the midfield after the Japanese GP and are obviously gearing up for 2024. Plus, the winter break will give the FIA a chance to dig deeper. So while the flex wing might be a factor, it's unfair to lay all the blame there, especially when the title and thumbnail make it seem like it's the sole reason.
It's called a thumbnail and a title. I can't put 30 things there. I always do my best to make a well rounded video, then people watch the whole thing and still moan. 🥴 especially frustrating when I do everything I can to actually share insight whereas 99% of the other channels just post nonsense.
@@brrrake I completely understand the need for eye-catching titles and thumbnails; it's part of the game. I actually enjoy your content and find it insightful especially since there are not a lot of good technical channels about F1 on youtube, but it was just personal feedback ☺️
@@Galadonin I totally understand you're POV but if I made the content the way I wanted to make it, I think very few people would watch it and I'd probably alienate most of the audience 🫠 I get it.
I have no idea what he is talking about. This lacks a proper definition of the various types of wings and the actual effects. Throwing random diagrams doesn't help.
crazy how quickly Alonso has undone Sebs work
Delusional take
Sebs work was making Stroll look like a decent driver😂
Why do you think so?
What does this even mean. Un do what?
This has gotta be bait, look no further than lance stroll. He's gotten progressively worse, like exponentially.
Alonso curse kicking in. He’s not really a great development driver like Seb.