Thanks! Well, traffic through Folkston is not what it was before CSX's PSR changes, but it's still one of the hottest places to watch CSX action in Georgia.
It's a PSR local. Lol. A764 is actually mostly just the old Q455 that ran to Taft yard in Orlando. The autoracks are for TDI in Jax and some go to Taft.
Excellent video in one of my favorite spots. Really enjoyed all the different angles for many of the trains. That A764 is often quite long - in both directions.
@@mbmars01 A794 is another of my favorites. Often a pair of SD40-3's for power, and sometimes coming back North the train length/weight seems to be about all they can handle. Love hearing them pretty much all out on their way up the very slight incline into Folkston.
Nice video and catches! I see the last remaining mechanical bell in Folkston is still there, and still sounding pretty bad... And it's technically almost all, as CSX still runs freights between Pensacola, FL, and Flomaton, AL on the P&D Sub. ;) But yea, the vast majority of CSX trackage into and out of Florida would probably be going through here, with the sale of the P&A, Tallahassee, and part of the Bainbridge Subs.
Didn't know exactly the time they abolished the Juice Train so thanks for sharing. Not like CSX just didn't give up on everything else too though... RIP Folkston
Yeah, it was yet another train that railfans liked to see and that's gone. During my last visit to Folkston in Summer '21 it was still a good place to watch trains, but train frequency was down to 50% or so of what it used to be.
Only the occasionally attached SDs and GPs still have standard cabs. With some luck one can still find them, but it's true they are rare nowadays. Thanks!
Great video sir!! Cool shots and catches sir!! Keep up the great work sir!! I forgot to tell u that I caught 8101 last weekend on 895 central of Georgia sir!! Looking forward to the next video also sir!!
Many thanks! I love watching Australian trains. When I visited Melbourne in 2010, I chose my hotel with view to the main station. It was fun to see the trains from that bird's perspective! Unfortunately, this was before I started making videos. I only have photos.
Lol, exactly. It was surprising. He wasn't really fast, but it took about 10 minutes for him to go by (I cut it shorter in the video to avoid it getting boring). Thanks!
Right, they had done maintenance before. Unfortunately, the Sperry car didn't move while I was there, but I've already shown it "in action" in several of my Abbeville Sub videos.
I remember back in the late 80's and through the 90's, especially when the old RF&P line pulled them, the Tropicana juice train, which was an entire train unto itself. Sad to see only remnants, but at least there's something left from its glory days. My, how the times they are a changin'.
Well, it's still fun to see these unique reefers. Who knows, maybe the juice trains come back one day. Everything may change, but people will still drink orange juice from Florida lol.
Hey MB, just wanted to say , another great job as always. i commented on this video the day it came out, but it didn't post for some reason, just fyi, keep up the great work.
Nope! If you scroll down on my main page, under "Great Railfanning Spots", there is a little playlist from Folkston. This here is actually the third video from there.
Definitely worth a visit. There is literally trackside lodging and a hotel maybe 10 minutes up the road if you don't want all the noise. Not too far from JAX airport either (roughly 40-45 minutes) if you are an out-of-towner.
Folkston! I wouldn't have guessed that! I've been listing those Tier 4 engines ET44AH, maybe I should start listing them ET44AC-H. Did they stop running the juice trains in 2017, or temporarily?
That's fine, too. That's how CSX calls them. Technically, they are heavier versions of ET44ACs with enhanced traction control if I remember correctly. Well, no-one knows what change is for good and what is temporary in railroading. If it would make economic sense again, they might reinstate the unit juice trains one day.
Well, Waycross - Baldwin is a actually more than just "local." I believe, in the course of the PSR changes, CSX has expanded the use of the A symbols, which used to be reserved for truly local trains in the greater Atlanta area (serving industries in the surroundings of a yard) only.
@@mbmars01 I don't get to see Florida Gulf And Atlantic Railroad Trains that much, they don't even have any engines in the Rail USA paint scheme yet here in Pensacola. The only mainline trains that come to Pensacola anymore is M705 and M706, those are Mobile Alabama to Pensacola, and Pensacola to Mobile Alabama, daily trains. And the local M733 that works a couple plants in the local area. I don't know much about the other railroad schedule.
That was a very long local indeed, I haven’t seen a lot of CSX AC4400's recently, mostly GEVO's. I also see that almost all of those trains had DPU's, here in eastern Ohio, I've only seen 3 trains that had a DPU out of all the trains I've seen here. Do you look up the engine model, or just know it? I feel like I could do a little better on knowing some engine models
Actually, on the Abbeville Sub the AC44s are quite abundant. For "bumpy" lines, AC traction is favored over DC and that's why we see a lot more AC power than DC power here. The same applies to DPUs. Most engine types I can tell, but I typically look them up to be sure. UP is the hardest, because they have always had all kinds of modifications on their engines.
@@mbmars01 that's right, they do. the ones I can't easily tell apart are the AC44CW's, CW44AC's, and CW44A"H". also the GP40/50/30 or whatever. I know the for the ES40/44DC I have to know which numbers from 5200 to 5501 are ES44DC's and which ones are ES40DC's. I know the 700-900 something are ES44AC-H's as well as 3000- 3200 (not 100% accurate)
There are Amtrak trains (or at least one) in my older Folkston videos. Honestly, I'm happy if Amtrak trains are not close, because they always tend to delay the (for me) more interesting freight trains.
Well, there is no actual juice train anymore. If you see Tropicana cars going through Ashland, it's likely they came from or go to Florida, though. Thanks!
its a very long manifest with some Tropicana cars...same as in your video..i dont know from where he comes and where he goes...im not often at the ashlandcam...they talked about that train in the chat
Lol, nice! Well, I guess, it's more economic in these days to include the Tropicana cars in manifest trains than running "unit juice trains". In contrast to typical unit trains, the juice cars in unit trains would still have to be distributed to various destinations - which is what mixed freight trains are for. Another factor sure is the competition by trucking. Trucks can go anywhere easily, trains cannot. Also, modern reefers don't require special treatment anymore. They can be included in any train. In the old days, when the juice and fruit trains were introduced, reefers needed to be iced or at least maintained in the yards.
I think when Tropicana ran on the hotshot piggybacks like Q031 and Q032 it slowed them down. Plus the reefers were handled several times. Q046 to Jax then Q032 to Jersey then picked up by Q410 and dropped off. Seems to make more sense to run it right out of Tampa to Waycross on Q442 and then put the blocks on the corresponding manifest trains to Selkirk, Memphis, and Cincinnati. Q455 also handles the Tropicana traffic to and from the FEC
We used to run them to jax on Q740/741 (now abolished) and they been running on Q045/Q046 tampa to jax/jax to tampa but a few months ago seems like they stopped and now put it on the tampa to waycross trains. Doesn't make much sense when both intermodal and juice go to jax and 441/442 go to waycross. although I heard rumors about 045/046 moving to winter haven which I don't know how true that would be considering the UPS that is on those trains (hottest trains in central florida).
@@HotRodJax Q179 and Q180 haven't run between Jax and new Orleans for a couple years now. All the Tropicana traffic out of Florida runs to Waycross now.
They sure do, but UP operates at the limit as well. Actually, it's not necessarily wrong. I know that some railroads including CSX use dedicated software to calculate the needed horsepower and traction and the optimal DPU locations. To save fuel and maintenance costs is not a bad idea. It does not only save money for the railroad, but it's also better for our environment.
If you don't mind flying, it is roughly 40-45 minutes north of Jacksonville. Fly into Jacksonville airport and rent a car. There are lodging options in the area if you don't want to make that long drive every day.
Why the heck is CSX putting those new horrific K5LAs on their ES44AHs? Yuck. A764 and Q441 are probably the only catches I really liked, I'm not a big fan of ES/ET44AHS, but I do like ES40s and AC44s
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Cool collection of trains, looks like CSX is using DPU's just about everywhere now
Thanks! Yep, I have observed that, too.
You never fail. Excellent video. Stay safe. Mick🇬🇧
Well, thanks so much for your kind post!
My Favorite Spot! I Railfan there all the time Love it! Excellent Video!
I would railfan much more often there if I lived closer. It's a great place. Thanks, great you enjoyed the video!
Excellent video. I haven't been seeing much from this place lately. Thank you for the upload.
Thanks! Well, traffic through Folkston is not what it was before CSX's PSR changes, but it's still one of the hottest places to watch CSX action in Georgia.
Ahhh! Yes!!! Another great upload!!! Music to my ears, a joy to watch, and a salve on my spirit. Well done as always my friend!
Lol, many thanks! I'm glad you have fun watching the videos :)
@@mbmars01 Yes indeed.
Longest local I've ever seen! Great catches!
Thanks!
It's a PSR local. Lol. A764 is actually mostly just the old Q455 that ran to Taft yard in Orlando. The autoracks are for TDI in Jax and some go to Taft.
Excellent video in one of my favorite spots. Really enjoyed all the different angles for many of the trains. That A764 is often quite long - in both directions.
Cool, many thanks. This A train is impressive. I'm not too familiar with the CSX trains in the south, but I didn't expect to see that.
@@mbmars01 A794 is another of my favorites. Often a pair of SD40-3's for power, and sometimes coming back North the train length/weight seems to be about all they can handle. Love hearing them pretty much all out on their way up the very slight incline into Folkston.
I can imagine they, must sound great.
Wasnt expecting that k5la on the first gevo haha!! Awesome video
Thank you!
Nice video sir!! Cool shots sir!! Keep up the great work sir!!
Thank you, good you enjoyed it!
Nice video and catches! I see the last remaining mechanical bell in Folkston is still there, and still sounding pretty bad...
And it's technically almost all, as CSX still runs freights between Pensacola, FL, and Flomaton, AL on the P&D Sub. ;) But yea, the vast majority of CSX trackage into and out of Florida would probably be going through here, with the sale of the P&A, Tallahassee, and part of the Bainbridge Subs.
Thanks! You're right, I always keep forgetting that this is still part of Florida :P
Thanks MBMARS I enjoyed this video. First train I thought was unusual single containers not double. I appreciate your videos. Take care
Thanks, Joe!
Due to the Howard st. Tunnel in Baltimore, they have to be single stacks.
Thanks Casey thanks for the info I appreciate it
Didn't know exactly the time they abolished the Juice Train so thanks for sharing. Not like CSX just didn't give up on everything else too though... RIP Folkston
Yeah, it was yet another train that railfans liked to see and that's gone. During my last visit to Folkston in Summer '21 it was still a good place to watch trains, but train frequency was down to 50% or so of what it used to be.
I sucks not seeing the standard cabs on CSX anymore :/
Thumbs up for the video :)
Only the occasionally attached SDs and GPs still have standard cabs. With some luck one can still find them, but it's true they are rare nowadays. Thanks!
I went to Folkston in August/September last year. I highly recommend the Railside Lodges for any extended stays there.
Folkston is always fun. I wish I lived closer.
Not in summertime. Yeah the days are longer but it’s hot and muggy.
Great video sir!! Cool shots and catches sir!! Keep up the great work sir!! I forgot to tell u that I caught 8101 last weekend on 895 central of Georgia sir!! Looking forward to the next video also sir!!
Thanks, Jacob! That's great. By now you must have seen 8101 more often than I ever did :)
Excellent as always.
Many thanks!
The last train was nice and long. It is my favorite from this video. This video is a grait catch. Good job!!!😁👍👍
And I even shortened it for the video. It had at least 170 cars and it took 10 minutes to roll by my location lol. Great you like the video!
@@mbmars01 waw thats allot.
Nice video! I knew I would enjoy. 👍👍
Thanks! I'm glad you did :)
Love these videos man! Always very well edited and presented!
If you ever get to Australia I'll be getting you to film my trains! ;)
Many thanks! I love watching Australian trains. When I visited Melbourne in 2010, I chose my hotel with view to the main station. It was fun to see the trains from that bird's perspective! Unfortunately, this was before I started making videos. I only have photos.
I think the only thing missing from the local were mid and end train DPU's! I've never seen a local that long either. Great catches and video.
Lol, exactly. It was surprising. He wasn't really fast, but it took about 10 minutes for him to go by (I cut it shorter in the video to avoid it getting boring). Thanks!
@@mbmars01 You're very welcome.
Land must be flat out there. No way a train that will up and down hills without braking a knuckle. Only two engines, crazy.
@Vondrey McClurkin Land is indeed flat in South Georgia and Florida, but I also found two engines underpowered for that train.
Sweet catch of Sperry Rail Service car on siding. Don't see them that often any more.
Right, they had done maintenance before. Unfortunately, the Sperry car didn't move while I was there, but I've already shown it "in action" in several of my Abbeville Sub videos.
Looks like mid-DPUs are CSX's "speciality". Were the trains so long that they had to put mid-DPUs on them?
No, other railroads also put engines in the middle of a train.
I remember back in the late 80's and through the 90's, especially when the old RF&P line pulled them, the Tropicana juice train, which was an entire train unto itself. Sad to see only remnants, but at least there's something left from its glory days. My, how the times they are a changin'.
Well, it's still fun to see these unique reefers. Who knows, maybe the juice trains come back one day. Everything may change, but people will still drink orange juice from Florida lol.
@@mbmars01 Yep! That they will.
CSX ET44AH Leading Intermodal with a dpu in the middle
Hey MB, just wanted to say , another great job as always. i commented on this video the day it came out, but it didn't post for some reason, just fyi, keep up the great work.
Thanks so much! Lol, no problem :)
Nice video; very long the last train to be a local. No EMD engine? Very sad, as they have abolished the Tropicana Juice unit train..
Thank you! I didn't pay to much attention to it, but you're right, no EMD this time.
K5hl at 1:49 sound amazing
first time seeing you do something with Folkston
One of his first videos...
Nope! If you scroll down on my main page, under "Great Railfanning Spots", there is a little playlist from Folkston. This here is actually the third video from there.
im just saying it's the first time i saw a folkston video uploaded since ive only been subbed for like 2 months
Gotcha. Welcome to the channel!
Great catch's another place I can add to the places to rail fan list!
Yea, it's worth a visit!
Definitely worth a visit. There is literally trackside lodging and a hotel maybe 10 minutes up the road if you don't want all the noise. Not too far from JAX airport either (roughly 40-45 minutes) if you are an out-of-towner.
Like the numbers under the cab windows on CSX trains with 4 numbers (3366) what would be the age of train
This is just the road number of the locomotive. It is not related to the age of it .
1:50 lovely 1st gen k5hl
Have you caught CSX ES40DC #5288 with a K5HLB Horn?
I have no records of the engines I've ever seen.
I have and I also saw 969 with K5HLA
Folkston! I wouldn't have guessed that! I've been listing those Tier 4 engines ET44AH, maybe I should start listing them ET44AC-H. Did they stop running the juice trains in 2017, or temporarily?
That's fine, too. That's how CSX calls them. Technically, they are heavier versions of ET44ACs with enhanced traction control if I remember correctly. Well, no-one knows what change is for good and what is temporary in railroading. If it would make economic sense again, they might reinstate the unit juice trains one day.
@@mbmars01 alright
Don't bet on seeing a unit juice train. At least not as long as James Foote is the CEO.
Awesome video
Thank you!
Does the number on the train indicate its age ?
Do you mean the number at the end of the train symbol? This is indeed the day of the month when the train departed at its origin.
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Great Video. That A764-14 sure is a long train for being a local freight. CSX seems to be using minimal power these days on their trains.
Well, Waycross - Baldwin is a actually more than just "local." I believe, in the course of the PSR changes, CSX has expanded the use of the A symbols, which used to be reserved for truly local trains in the greater Atlanta area (serving industries in the surroundings of a yard) only.
@@mbmars01 I miss seeing those really long trains, I live in Pensacola, where CSX ends and The New Florida Gulf And Atlantic Railroad starts.
I understand it, but Pensacola is an interesting interchange point between these two railroads now, isn't it?
@@mbmars01 I don't get to see Florida Gulf And Atlantic Railroad Trains that much, they don't even have any engines in the Rail USA paint scheme yet here in Pensacola. The only mainline trains that come to Pensacola anymore is M705 and M706, those are Mobile Alabama to Pensacola, and Pensacola to Mobile Alabama, daily trains. And the local M733 that works a couple plants in the local area. I don't know much about the other railroad schedule.
Ah okay. Would be nice to catch an FGA train, though.
Hi, I'm new here, when there is a long train, how does the middle and back locos synchronized with the front ones?
These so-called DPUs (distributed power units) are controlled from the lead locomotive by radio.
great video
Thanks!
That was a very long local indeed, I haven’t seen a lot of CSX AC4400's recently, mostly GEVO's. I also see that almost all of those trains had DPU's, here in eastern Ohio, I've only seen 3 trains that had a DPU out of all the trains I've seen here. Do you look up the engine model, or just know it? I feel like I could do a little better on knowing some engine models
Actually, on the Abbeville Sub the AC44s are quite abundant. For "bumpy" lines, AC traction is favored over DC and that's why we see a lot more AC power than DC power here. The same applies to DPUs. Most engine types I can tell, but I typically look them up to be sure. UP is the hardest, because they have always had all kinds of modifications on their engines.
@@mbmars01 that's right, they do. the ones I can't easily tell apart are the AC44CW's, CW44AC's, and CW44A"H". also the GP40/50/30 or whatever. I know the for the ES40/44DC I have to know which numbers from 5200 to 5501 are ES44DC's and which ones are ES40DC's. I know the 700-900 something are ES44AC-H's as well as 3000- 3200 (not 100% accurate)
Check the webpages of thedieselshop or bullsheet. They have more or less complete and up-to-date information about the current CSX roster.
thanks for the info, it's probably better than raiilroad picture archives
... which is also a quite valuable resource of information!
Wunderschön video
Danke sehr! Schoen, dass es Dir gefaellt :)
Folkston is an awesome area to watch train action, mbmars. Was this your first time down there?
It is! No, it was the third visit. The earlier videos are in the Folkston playlist (in the Great Railfanning Spots section).
You should try to see Amtrak there if you haven't already
There are Amtrak trains (or at least one) in my older Folkston videos. Honestly, I'm happy if Amtrak trains are not close, because they always tend to delay the (for me) more interesting freight trains.
@@mbmars01 Amtrak's to me are blessings in disguise outside of NEC. Usually once an Amtrak gets through that means means more trains are behind it.
is this the juicetrain that goes thru ashland. virginia? another great video ....thanks ;thumbs up....
Well, there is no actual juice train anymore. If you see Tropicana cars going through Ashland, it's likely they came from or go to Florida, though. Thanks!
yes Tropicana..once a day..there is a live cam by VRF on yt
Right, there might actually still be something like a more local juice train in that area, but it doesn't come all the way from Florida (anymore).
its a very long manifest with some Tropicana cars...same as in your video..i dont know from where he comes and where he goes...im not often at the ashlandcam...they talked about that train in the chat
Ah, gotcha.
Aaaah!!! You was down here in my backyard !! Maybe you can answer my question where must Floridians don't know. Why Juice comes on Q441 & 442 now?
Lol, nice! Well, I guess, it's more economic in these days to include the Tropicana cars in manifest trains than running "unit juice trains". In contrast to typical unit trains, the juice cars in unit trains would still have to be distributed to various destinations - which is what mixed freight trains are for. Another factor sure is the competition by trucking. Trucks can go anywhere easily, trains cannot. Also, modern reefers don't require special treatment anymore. They can be included in any train. In the old days, when the juice and fruit trains were introduced, reefers needed to be iced or at least maintained in the yards.
I think when Tropicana ran on the hotshot piggybacks like Q031 and Q032 it slowed them down. Plus the reefers were handled several times. Q046 to Jax then Q032 to Jersey then picked up by Q410 and dropped off. Seems to make more sense to run it right out of Tampa to Waycross on Q442 and then put the blocks on the corresponding manifest trains to Selkirk, Memphis, and Cincinnati. Q455 also handles the Tropicana traffic to and from the FEC
We used to run them to jax on Q740/741 (now abolished) and they been running on Q045/Q046 tampa to jax/jax to tampa but a few months ago seems like they stopped and now put it on the tampa to waycross trains. Doesn't make much sense when both intermodal and juice go to jax and 441/442 go to waycross. although I heard rumors about 045/046 moving to winter haven which I don't know how true that would be considering the UPS that is on those trains (hottest trains in central florida).
@@csxfloridafunnelrailfan3065 So maybe they drop New Orleans reefers in Balwin to connect with Q180?
@@HotRodJax Q179 and Q180 haven't run between Jax and new Orleans for a couple years now. All the Tropicana traffic out of Florida runs to Waycross now.
CSX sure pushes their power to the limit,don’t see how that is efficient
They sure do, but UP operates at the limit as well. Actually, it's not necessarily wrong. I know that some railroads including CSX use dedicated software to calculate the needed horsepower and traction and the optimal DPU locations. To save fuel and maintenance costs is not a bad idea. It does not only save money for the railroad, but it's also better for our environment.
I want to go there so badly
You should do it. Folkston is still a great spot for railfanning CSX. I wish I could go there more often, but it's 5 hours from where I live...
If you don't mind flying, it is roughly 40-45 minutes north of Jacksonville. Fly into Jacksonville airport and rent a car. There are lodging options in the area if you don't want to make that long drive every day.
Why the heck is CSX putting those new horrific K5LAs on their ES44AHs? Yuck. A764 and Q441 are probably the only catches I really liked, I'm not a big fan of ES/ET44AHS, but I do like ES40s and AC44s
A railfan's life is hard... :)
Why not whats wrong with them
@@aircraftsandtrains2309 They're annoying, they're everywhere, and they sound like trash
👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks :)
Tha need to tone horn
Nah I think actual horns make it more realistic