Somnium VR1 TESTED: SO MUCH HAS CHANGED! A RENEWED Perspective - Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- A new series giving you my thoughts and opinions on the super high-end Somnium VR1 PC VR headset, from a flight simulation perspective using my home setup.
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Thanks for the video Steve! Just for the information - we did not want to wait for the next batch of VR1s being finalized today, so we sent Steve an interim headset with some improvements but some things not final. We do expect to swap with another headset fairly soon. I am glad you are enjoying it and thank you very much for your feedback! Cheers! ♥
If we want to claw back performance could we limit vertical fov separately from horizontal fov? This might be something very cool to have in the software.
@@sirgriffinmanyes you can 😊
I might be missing something, but I'm not seeing pricing for the different variants on your web site.
@@jakeperl5857full pricing will be announced when we open orders
Would love to see inside out tracking as an option in the future. Works great for seated simulation.
Great video as usual! Very promising product indeed, can’t wait to hear more about it in your future videos! Very happy that you were able to break through and have direct access to the developers for your feedback, this is huge for our VR flight simulation community, you are our voice!
Thankyou I really appreciate that.
Love this comment, thanks Cal, well put!
Sounds better than I expected. Thank you. Ultimately it will boil down to bang for buck. Looking forward to your full review.
Thanks Mark. Lots more to say about the VR1. But I do feel the Crystal makes more sense for most simmers who don't have such high disposable income.
How refreshing to see a company engaging with the people that will be using it. I'm really excited for this. Great to finally see a bit of competition at the high end consumer level. This or the xr3 for my next headset.
Thanks for an early impressions video of the Somnium VR1 headset. Several months ago, I watched with interest the video of your experience in Prague with an early development version of the VR1 headset. I trust your judgement. At that time I reserved my VR1 headset. I plan this to be a replacement for my HP Reverb G2 headset.
I will be extremely interested in any recommendations, details and impressions you can share in the coming weeks and months.
Just reading through the comments Steve, you're going to be busy for a while! Great job from Artur and the Somnium Space team, and being a receptive as they as are just means so much to the flight simulation community. The headset looks good for racing sims as well. Hopefully the weight will be well balanced and not feel heavy in use. I'm sure for simmers the cheaper versions will still prove to be more than up to the job of delivering a first class VR simulation experience.
Thank you for the video... once you got it setup, please do perfomance in DCS with DFR. Really interested in how this performs on 4090.
I am pretty excited for this headset.
DCS next 😊
Great info, looking forward to the next update.
The VR bar keeps getting raised!! Good to see.
Great video, makes sense that you want to focus on the positives for now! What's up with the crackly audio though, I hope the final mic is not like this!
Amazing that you can give feedback from the perspective of someone where MSFS is top priority, that's pretty much ideal!
Really looking forward to the next videos, keep doing what you do!
Yes, final mic algorithm is updated and won't pop
Oh, so much settings to tune! I love it so much
Exciting times for VR! I like my Crystal, but this headset seems like another great step forward. Probably will need a Nvidia 5090 GPU to really take full advantage of it! And we have MSFS 2024 this year too!
Great Update Steve, I know lots of people are seriously looking at this headset. So with the bright panels, I'd like to know how well the local dimming works along with any glare you might be seeing (specifically dark scenes, either flying at night or even Elite Dangerous). Just based on the lens design, the glare/godray issue has been my main concern for this headset. Would love to know how that all looks.
Local dimming will be improved A LOT from this unit to final production units
@@artursychov Excited to see how it turns out. I was very disappointed with the Crystal's local dimming so hope this is better. I've kind of sworn off buying any new VR Headsets unless they are OLED... I'm just sick of not having my black, blacks!
@@artursychov good to hear
Please cover software setup for MR Passthrough, eye tracking setup, desktop view passthrough, and how eye tracking works with DFR in DCS.
I don’t like to sound too excited about this headset, but I’ve watch your video twice now Steve. 😊
😅😅
Thanks for the video! Looks as promising as I was hoping for. Can you test/talk about Quad View Foveated Rendering with the OpenXR runtime? Preferably with DCS World but in even MSFS would be fine.
Nice one, Steve! I'd like to try this in Elite Dangerous and put it through its paces. Certain things you mention make me think it might be particularly well suited to that game.
Cheers Gary. You're more than welcome to check it out here when I get the final version :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy I might take you up on that mate! Thanks.
Thank you Steve, and Artur! This is such a great time to be part of VR, its a privilege honestly. Question about black levels. In a dark game, ie Kayak VR Norway Night, with Meta Quest 3 being a 1, and Bigscreen Beyond a 10, how would you rate VR1?
It's such an exciting time :) Black levels are good (Pimax level), but they are being improved, so I'll keep you informed once I test the new version. Thanks for your support
Thank you for the video Steve and to Artur for sharing it with him/us. I would love to see you test what the max FOV is that you can get, as it was unclear if the figures you gave in the video were the max available or if you had it setup to cull some of it for performance reasons. I’d like to know if you can really get the 135 ish horizontal degrees as advertised please. Also, it would be great if you could speak more on what the audio solution is or will be for the VR1 too? Much appreciated and look forward to your next VR1 video. Thank you. 🙏😊
Great first video review! This Headset sounds amazing! Looking forward to further updates and videos! Thank you sir!!!
More to come! 😊
I am in a market for one, looking at the BSB because of it size but you got me interested now. I'll be looking forward for more of you review on this one before I make my choice
finaly something new,thanks
Amazing video, really looking foward to receive mine!
- Can you please do a side by side performance comparison with the Pimax Crystal in terms of performance? Both at full FoV and 100% render resolution. Is the 4090 enough? Because it's barely enough for the Crystal. Is the VR1 more efficient or less efficient in terms of render performance?
- Does it have any kind of center or edge distortion?
- Does it have CA/color shifting?
I hope that you could give some feedback on that, thank you in advance!
Great comment thankyou. Noted
I know the FOV isn't massive (compared to the Pimax 8KX), but does the Somnium still feel like you are wearing goggles? As a flight simmer, FOV is most important to me.
yep good question
Good one! Maybe when it’s released you can start ranking all the headsets on a visual chart based on features visual quality etc.
Thanks Steve! Obviously the passthru cameras, and hand tracking are of great interest. Reviewing eye tracking performance too please (using Tobii right?)? I know they are still tweaking audio but looking forward to a review of audio. The biggest though is going to be performance. Anyone following what Artur and team are doing knows how badass this thing will be. But I'm barely holding on to 80-90 fps in DCS with Quad Views and DFR in the Aero and would hate to go backwards. So I would like to see reviews on performance, performance, & performance, especially DCS and OpenXR. Thanks! Great work as always!
Does dynamic foveated rendering with eye tracking work with MSFS and DCS as it does with the Crystal?
I like the comparisons to the crystal. That's what I have now.
That's crazy how you're saying its sharper.
And that larger FOV.
Eye tracked foveated rendering?
Supposedly (from MR TV's video posting Pimax is making a "Pro" or higher AND lower tier Crystal HMD lite version sooner, Pro very late in 2024, appaently so that too.
@paulct91 thanks for the heads up!
VERY interested to learn how well the pass through and hand tracking works.
Actually quantifying **useful** field of view would be valuable.
For example, overlay a virtual monitor, move it out to around 50 degrees off-center (100 FoV),
adjust font size to smallest that is still easily legible,
then do the math to estimate how many rows and columns of legible text.
Yes, this is as much about VR1 as monitor replacement as it is for checking aircraft instrument panels at a glance.
I'm stoked. Great video!
Thankyou :)
Got my name on the list for one in November last year.... Can't wait for this one 😁
Which base stations do you need? I have 1.0 at home but are 2.0 required? Keep up the great work!
You can use both 1.0 and 2.0
Ouch the price maybe? But OH the promise. GREAT first review from the man cave, Steve! ♥♥♥♥♥
Thank buddy. More to come soon. Have a great weekend :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks! You too 🙂
Sounds promising. Now I want to hear the con points. :D
They are coming :)
Awesome video mate. This headset sounds fantastic and sounds like a Crystal killer. I'm personally gonna wait for the XTAL 4 with HyperVision lenses.
cool. Heavy... how heavy? FPS and motion reprojection quality? How badly does it crush a 4090 running full fat? Hz modes 72-90-120+? Software stability?
Srsly. We know it’s it’s in development but some performance numbers would’ve been nice
Hi, great new VR set. Interest how it feel in DCS. I know MSFS and DCS is a big different in grafic programming. So really interesting to see some results.
Grtz,
Ross
DCS next 👍
Thanks Steve!
Is there any edge chromatic aberration?
Is there any edge Red/Blue shift?
How is the local dimming? Is it adjustable?
Is the brightness adjustable?
How is the local dimming glare?
How is the glare in general?
Hey Steve - great video as always! Did you tried Foveated Rendering with Eye Tracking? :)
Thankyou 😊 I'll be hopefully showing that next...
@VRFlightSimGuy need to see that
Me too 😍👍🏻👍🏻
Have you done any night flying? How's the glare, bloom, pixel shimmer on small distant bright lights?
Hopefully I will be able to see the Somnium VR1 at FSExpo in Las Vegas mid June. I’m just getting into flight sims and am looking at what equipment I want to use. This sounds very promising.
Very curious about the passthrough cameras and how it can be used for physical panels and checklists!
It is exciting! Might be my next headset.
Is there any Audio-solution for this headset? Like off-ear speakers like HP G2, Pimax Crystal and other? I dont want to have a huge headset for audio ontop of the VR Headset...
Thank you. This is a day 1 purchase for me.
How is it sharper than the crystal when it has the same resolution with a higher FOV? Is it down to the optics being a lot better?
Optics and brightness
@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks! Brightness affecting sharpness is a super interesting point, I never considered that before but I guess our eyes do work on light so the more of it the easier to resolve the image, that might not be what is happening just an uneducated guess haha. Looking forward to more coverage! If I had the budget I would definitely consider it but the crystal is amazing enough and still costs more than my car lol!
What I want to see:
Passthrough is big on my mind. Passthrough software setup and passthrough clarity. I plan to use this for both flight and sim racing. So it would be good to know if this works with any software well without any issues.
Speakers:
I noticed you don't have a headset on. How are the built in speakers?
Microphone:
There were a lot of pops in this recording. I'm assuming that is being worked on or maybe it was your recording settings...
Comfort:
We knew it was going to be heavy. How does it feel on the face, around the nose, after about an hour or two? Is the strap supportive enough. Does the HMD feel like it wants to fall down? I know we have a lot of options to make custom head straps.
Hand tracking:
Being a flight simmer, but mostly a sim racer. Being able to control the PC with hand tracking would be amazing. I've done this some with the quest 3 and when going back to my aero I miss the hand tracking PC control feature.
I love the aero and it's excellent. But I find the aero no matter what has a slightly out of focus feel whereas the quest 3 is strain free and perfect on the eyes. This could be a focal distance issue or a lens issue. It seems maybe the VR1 has solved this with better lenses and focal distance adjustment...
Performance:
Compared to the aero how is the fps decrease linear with the resolution increase? Is there any inefficiency there?
@VR Flight Sim Guy and @artursychov My big questions all revolve around performance:
(1) Refresh rate options? 72, 80, 90, 120hz are all there? Any more?
(2) Quadviews support and high quality DFR? How much does it help performance, particularly in DCS, to offset the high res/high FOV?
(3) Quality of the motion reprojection algorithm, especially when needing to drop down to 36 and 45fps. How does it hold up and compare to the best algorithms (ie Meta)?
(4) Ok, one that is not performance. Weight, in grams, for each different model. Long term comfort on the neck is important. Will dropping off the Mixed Reality save much weight? How about hand tracking and moving that to an external unit? And on this note, perhaps Somnium would consider a counter balance setup in the box without us needing to use third party sellers?
(5) Prescription Eye lenses support. Will you ensure the headset will be able to have prescription lenses designed for it? Even better, would you consider setting up the headset with 1st party lenses, or at least an interchangeable system? I know how critical quality lenses are to the IQ, so accounting for this may be important.
Thank you!
Looks cool. Just this + basestations + knuckles is going to be more expensive than the Cyrstal Super QLED + uOLED bundle and about 3 times more expensive than Crystal Light.
If they really nail the optics, this might be the high end go to headset. The Crystal is very hard to setup correctly. The only feature missing is 120 fps support.
Well it seems that I'll have to get rid of my crystal and order that instead :)
Maybe wait for my final review. But things are looking promising.
Hello Steve I'll tell you what I would like to see. No disrespect intended but what I would really really like to see is one of these VR manufacturers to actually release a product close do when they say they're going to. Waiting to buy the somnium vr1😮
Thanks for the video. Was that the headset mic. Is this a SteamVR tracked headset.
Yes that was microphone of VR1 but not final software. We are still tweaking it.
Need a test with il-2 for the WW2 community
❤thx❤ buddy and have a nice weekend
You too mate 😊
Comfort is honestly the most important thing for me. I had to return my Pimax Crystal because it was so heavy and uncomfortable. I hope this headset feels better to wear.
Oh it will!
Hopefully they fix the microphone, you sounded really good, but the pops and like a scratching sound was annoying, but voice wise, you sounded really good and clear. Just need to angle the mic differently maybe so it doesn't pick up air from breathing when talking?
Neat HMD, just another really swell toy I won't be able to afford! LOL
What i dont get is people complaining about the base stations.
You want the best visuals and FOV but want to skimp on tracking, arguably thr second most important VR feature...i dont get it.
Spitting facts!
It is very concerning that less than a month from orders opening up this headset STILL completely lacks audio. Valve-like off-ear audio or no buy.
I was considering purchase of the Pimax Crystal but even before seeing this vid, I decided no, mainly because of the huge size, cheap controllers, and heard reports of setup and software hassle. What I would like to see is a 'Somnium' VR1' comparison with the 'Bigscreen Beyond'. The 'BB VR' seems the best value for under £1500. The 'Somnium VR1' along with the 'Apple Vision Pro' and high end 'Varjo' VRs are way to pricey! Presently use a Pico 4, which compares well with a friends 'Quest 3', Thanks Ian.
I'm going to be honest, I thought, for a long time, that this headset was a hoax, as it appeared to be too good to be true. I'm glad I was wrong.
I'm really glad that you're the flight sim community's voice with this company, and that they're listening to you!
Any idea about pricing for the various versions? And if it is a modular design, as in, being able to, let's say, buy a base version, and then the modules you want at a later date, or you have to choose the version you want at the time of purchase?
What about audio? Is there an on board audio option, or do we have to use our own headphones?
Glasses use? Will they offer their own perscription lenses, or will we have to rely on 3rd party?
Great video. How you do to capture our vr screen without eyes splitting ??
We defiantly needs to see hand tracking inside the cockpit with MSFS if it's useful to have. Thanks
It's a good thing that he ultimately sends his headset to content creators who understand the subject. His new coffee machine must be very good.
as a simmer, flight and racing, currently on a valve index. i was on the fence to get a quest but didnt really need all the connection woes, the standalone, the battery problems. i know you could get 3 quest 3's for the price of a kitted out somnium VR1 but do you think the value is there for a diehard simmer? i'm on a 4090, i have all the peripherals to fly in VR as i do now. the price is the only thing that's kinda holding me back, as it stands with the info i have and i might not have seen everything VR1 there is to see, i'd pull the trigger right now if the base price was 300 euros cheaper.
It looks amazing! But I am disturbed that we can’t see your nose; does it have some sort of smell-o-vision?
Thanks for the video!
You're welcome!
With the Pimax Crystal Core (PCVR, no battery) coming in Q2 and the Crystal Pro with mOLED coming in Q4, the VR1 will be DOA.
put a greenscreen infront of you, chroma key it out, and boom, you can see your hands in game. Plus, you can use the buttons on the top to quickswitch it between on and off. Don't forget about the buttons on top
Thank you so much Steve with this amazing test ,very good this VR-1 .
I have à Pimax Crystal and this Vr-1 with 125hx100v Fov it’s very good without batterie.
But the price with Eyetracking and handtracking Where are they ?
The Vr-1 first price is 1899€ but without options ?
With this Vr-1 I wanted more more games with Eyetracking !
Aplushh/Laurent 🇫🇷
Hi i have the Brilliant Reverb G2 Version 1. I want to Upgrade but my Budget is Poop £500 Max What VR Headset do you think will be a Great Upgrade to The HP Reverb. Or do you think i should kepp the reverb for Now. a Lot of the VR's are way outta my Price range. Thank U
Can you use foveated rendering with eye tracking in MSFS with Somnium VR1?
I've seen a lot of people say this headset will be DOA because its specs are similar to the Pimax Crystal which is much cheaper. But if the Somnium VR1 is actually reliable and stable_, it will be miles better than the Crystal because of that alone.
Exciting early impressions! Can you talk about the cables? My understanding is the base model has 1 cable running from the headset, and the fully loaded model has 2. Does having 2 cables affect daily usability? With the extra cost for the fully loaded model and the extra weight + additional cable, is it worth going for the fully loaded model for consumer sim racing and flight enthusiasts?
I am looking for that too nice question
Damn I can't wait for this to release ! Been waiting to upgrade from rift 1. 🤤🤤😁
Excited for this headset… any indicative pricing released yet and dates of approx availability?
Yeah, 1,899 EURO, the "minimum" price is listed on the Somnium website, also a "free" reservation system is available right now, before launch.
What about the audio? Will it require a headset to be able to communicate with friends in multi-player games?
We need FPS test in DCS with discussion on how its setup. Thanks!
DCS next 👍
A nice box, fov of 125. Clearer than PC. Front camera (mixed reality ?) You made me regret the purchase of my PCRYSTAL a few months ago after watching your video ... I guess I ll wait for the P12K with its 150 fov .... (possibly trade in my PC). I wonder if 12k will have front camera....
No need to regret it, it's great VR technology is still moving forward
You are right... I might buy this as well... exciting times. Question. My 4090 temps seems alright but I get mfs freezing unless I increase the fan speed in VR (auto mode doesn't seem to work for fan speed. How do you do....any similar issue ?
Great video thanks steve.. Am looking forward to your update videos on this headset 😃👍
Won't let me reserve a headset on their website for some reason.
Please let me know what error are you getting?
@@artursychov hi Artur ..thanks for the reply.
I received a welcome email today on an email address i have managed to register..but no "email confirmation" code and the website won't let me reserve a headset.
I am logged into the website but when i clic on confirm email to get an email confirmation code it says email already registered. The "reserve headset" tab is not highlighted so i can't proceed.
Would be good if you could tell me what i'm doing wrong 😃👍
HI Steve 😇👍🏻
A other question , I have prescription glasses and I see on the Somnium website that the VR-1 has almost no space between the lenses for those who have glasses !😳😳
They are working with VR Optician I believe.
Finally!!!
Steve, your the man! After the debacle with the Reverb g2, I'm lost with the direction i should go in the future as it pertains to Vr. I was not too incline with the Pimax bc of mix revues, and the quest 3 was not for me. When however, Somnium VR1 came to my attention i was intrigued but still uncertain. Still trying to find out more, but obviously nothing solid as risen bc of the beta current stage. With this now at the fore front of the discussion, u betcha i will be all in. I would like to know which model is displayed here and how is it comparable to the pass through version for FS2020. If the pass through version will add anymore depth to FS2020 at all.
Such a nice headset, but for that price it should include an integrated audio solution, preferably over the ear speakers like the Index.
Great first raw impressions !
What it’s compare to the quest 3 pancakes lenses ??
Quest 3 still edges it 👍
From another review video, I saw that optical warping when moving you head is currently an issue with the Somnium. The Varjo aero suffered from this very badly at release, but after a number of software updates it was pretty much competely eliminated. I would like to know where Somnium are at with this?
Hi Mike, it's improving all the time, I've been sent a new profile today and it's excellent. So fingers crossed!
Steve, can you do the next video in DCS? Interested to know what kind of performance you can get with you're 4090 with DCS World.
Too bad this headset has aspheric lenses! If it had pancake lenses, I would have taken it right away! Personally, I have tested the Pimax Crystal and the Varjo Aero, and I'm not a fan of either headset because of their aspherical lenses. The image is very sharp in the center, but I find that it feels like you're looking through the bottom of a bottle. Even though the resolution is lower, I prefer the Pico 4 (with an RTX 4090) for DCS or FS. By the way, VR Flight Sim Guy, do you see any distortion in this headset?
Exactly my thoughts too.
I'm genuinely not as sensitive to distortion as others, probably because I'm already used to Apheric lenses. But for what it's worth, I have no issues with the profile I'm running currently.
@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks 👍
Thanks a lot for that video. Motion reprojection and quad views would still interest me.
It’s an interesting headset. It doesn’t scream out as an absolute must have though. I think the form factor will be the biggest hang up just like the Crystal. Put the Crystal, VR1, and Big Screen Beyond all side by side in front of 100 vr people and I am willing to bet 60 will go for the BSB and the Crystal and VR1 fight out for the remaining 40. Part of the enjoyment of VR is the complete experience and the majority of people don’t want to wear a chunk of lead on their head no matter how well balanced that lead is.
Thanks for your thoughts!
I see there are some jacks for speakers, but I can't find any info on it. What sound solution is planned by Somnium? Very much interested in this headset. If it delivers, the prize is ok imho.
Veeeeeeerry interested in this one🤔
What audio solution is recommended with it? Can I use the Vive Deluxe Audio Strap?
Let's hope the price isn't going to be Apple grade, but perhaps I'm too demanding.
With the clarity and FOV already done and dusted, performance settings and passthrough! Not just in MSFS 😉
This is a question for Artur. Are you expecting to ship to Australia? I'm on the pre-order list but I'm also hesitant to use one of those package forwarding companies.
Is it at least noticeably lighter than the Crystal? The Crystal was way too heavy for me.
This version has all the clever MR cameras and sensors, so it actually feels a but heavier.
Since I plan to use this headset with MR/passthrough, my replica cockpit of an F/A-18 and DCS, I would love to see some mixed reality footage and informations about how (hard/easy) it is to configure your individual setup for MR. Thank you
Thanks for your questions, I plan to check this out very soon :)
How many local dimming zones per eye does it have?
The mic definitely needs some work though, way too much popping.
How are you getting sounds from the headset? I hate some make you pay extra for something that should come with the headset by default.
Using my speakers on my desk (which are pretty decent). But I prefer off ear audio on the headset any day of the week.