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2022 Rossignol Experience 86 Ti Ski Review with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2021
- A whole new line of Rossignol Experience skis for 2022 including this Experience 86 Ti! These things are sweet and in my opinion take the Experience experience to the next level. You need to experience it for yourself.
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Darn you, Jeff. I was perfectly happy with my 2021 Experience 88ti’s until I watched this video and had to get the new 86ti’s. 😬 I’m so glad I did though. This ski really does do everything better. I’m a 5’8”, 165 pound, 53-year-old intermediate frontside skier and these skis are really amazing in that role. They are billed as a strong carving ski with a short-medium turning radius and they were excellent doing that. They made turning effortless. They really didn’t require a ton of input from me but I felt like I could give it as much input as I could muster and still have a ton left in the tank. I tried really hard to lose an edge and I couldn’t do it. It was a hard packed day that got harder as the sun went down. I also experimented with different turning shapes too and was able to do it all with ease. I tried long GS turns, short, quick carves and schmeary, skidding turns. So versatile! As for the dampness…crazy. The technology really works! They are sooooo smooth. At one point at the end of the day I hit a fresh patch of rock hard corduroy and instead of breaking my teeth and landing on my butt, these skis just smoothly powered through it. I can’t recommend these skis highly enough. So worth it to replace the previous model that were only a year old! Thanks, Jeff!
I think that 86 Ti is creeping up on my as a favorite ski for sure. Glad you like them as well!
We have the UK Rossi rep joining us in our zoom call this week and I was stoked to see they’ve already published next years catalogue... I’m excited to see what more he might say about it, but I think their line up is really distinct and diverse across the range to the point where they make it viable to own one from each! This really does seem to be that potential for a one ski for everything, although I would like to see a wider version just to give it that bit extra versatility on the deeper days.
Can't wait to get on the hill at Mount Snow. Love my 84's so pumped for there. Let it snow!!
Snow on Mansfield this morning! Right around the corner!
Very cool to see that much tip rocker combined with that sidecut shape. Interesting ski!
I agree! There aren't a lot of skis like this out there. Valuable to have on the market for sure.
I am actually excited since I believe my local hill will probably get these as rentals
Really super review. Very helpful. I've got the Enforcers, and just picked up a pair of the Experience 86 Ti's. It'll be fun to compare the two skis at Stowe this coming winter. Hope to see you on the mountain! Thanks again for the review!
We'll look for you out there! We're usually easy to find. Just look for Jeff chasing Bob around with a GoPro, that's usually what's happening.
Hey bro. Did you get around to comparing them to Enforcers?
@@calleX - I did. I can see why 86 Ti's are super skis. Eager and quick to turn, good in the bumps, and very good on ice. But in the end, I prefer the Enforcers - better for me at speed, more stable overall, and definitely better in crud and on ungroomed terrain.
The 86Ti's are an awesome front-side ski, especially for fall-line skiers who enjoy making frequent turns. I'm more of a "swooper," using the full width of the trail, or seeking out interesting spots in the woods that are left or right of the fall line.
Hope that helps!
@@StephenSpelman Thank you so much, very helpful. Enforcer 100 are my daily drivers but looking to add a front side ski so been thinking about this or Bhrama 88 but perhaps I'll just get some Slalom skis for early morning icy groomers.
They look sweet!!
Just "experienced" these today when I was demoing some skis to find my next pair, and was blown away by the grip I had on the icy sections of the trails I tried them on, hands down the most comfortable I have ever felt on ice short of hockey skates!
Nice! We've been touting those skis for a while now as entering the "premium" discussion!
Good stuff, great skiing, tough job you have some days?!
best part of this video is the slow signs as he is ripping it. Hilarious because I'd do the same thing
They're just wide, orange GS gates, right?
impulse bought them at a sale as a "family day at the resort ski". couldn't agree more about the bumps, what an awesome mogul ski! the only thing i don't like as much are GS turns on steep slopes . i feel like i have to stay too long pressing hard into the tips of the downhill ski for it to complete a nice carved S turn. (good for practicing completing the turn) but once i figured that out the dampness that increases with speed kind of makes up for it. Easiest short turn ski at that width, which was great for the busy xmas crowd. i would not go longer than 176 for an average sized skier.
Thanks for the feedback! I loved it in the bumps!
Hey Jeff, great review. You say it's not the most power ski, but does it need to be? I'm no pro, but I do love to ski fast, and I'm about 200lbs. Would it be correct to assume this would be very challenging to find the speed limit on a pair of these skis? I don't think it's necessary to get a Brahma in order to rip, and this seems more user friendly without sacrificing much
Yes, I think it's extremely fair to say it's going to be very challenging for most skiers to find the speed limit of the Experience 86 Ti. You'd have to be one of the most powerful skiers on the hill to achieve that, so I don't think it's a major concern for the vast majority of us. It feels like it has plenty of power for me personally, for example.
Is this a more versatile option than the Brahma 88?
Lol I still have my Rossi exp 80hds from 2018, interesting to see how they went from a beginner/intermediate ski that to use were to a more advanced ski in the recent years that carve much nicer
The Experience line has always been home to a wide range of skis suited for beginner/intermediate skiers all the way up to experts. The same is true in 2022. In next year's line, there's an Experience 80 Carbon, Experience 78 Carbon, and Experience 76 Xpress, which are all better suited for that beginner/intermediate level than the 86 Ti.
Thanks for you great videos and personality. I can be summarised as a 48 year old, 86 kg, 181 cm Scandinavian frontside advanced /expert agressive skier going from morning to sunset. I'm also a growing Rossignol fanboy due to two years on my 22' Hero Elite LT (173). However these are limited of trail and very demanding in moguls, loose snow or later in the day - especially taxing on legs on lower end of slopes. Not that I ride that much - but I want to.
I'm looking into a bit more versatility while still accepting that I'd be 90% on groomers. I might also want something a bit more playfull to get me more off trail and as a stepping stone towards appreciating the whole mountain and powder. I seriously also want to click into something a bit "easier" later in the day while also being easier while I ski more "family oriented" - (with girlfriend and kids).
Might this (or the 82 TI?) be just that perfect +1 ski for me before something completely more off trail oriented to come?
We're pretty stoked on the 86Ti, and if you're keeping the Elite, I'd say the 86 makes more sense to broaden the quiver. They're pretty darn versatile--they go anywhere and everywhere that you point them with little to no trouble whatsoever. The 82 is great, as well, with a bit more torsional stiffness and edge grip, but not quite as well-rounded.
I was disappointed they are not continuing with the line technology, but going to a ski using metal. I have the Mindbender 90ti’s and was looking to add the Exp 88’s to my quiver next season.
It is interesting that they got away from the Line Control Technology as it's still present in their race and carving skis, but I do think the horizontal, traditional laminates work better in this ski. Not sure why, but objectively, I think this ski is overall better than the Experience 88, although obviously they're a little different. I do think the Experience 86 Ti would be a better complement to your Mindbender than the Experience 88. More of a carving focus.
How do you compare the new Rossignol to the Atomic Maverick? Especially on a 86 width? Looking for a good carver for icy days but all mountain capability for moguls and bumps.
Kanjo?
Without having skied either, and just looking at the shape; the Atomics are much more tapered so I'd expect them to perform better if you're looking to slide your way through the bumps, these have basically no taper so they're going to pull you into the turn on groomers better... basically I'd go Atmoic for a bit more of a true all mountain ride and Rossi for more a piste focused ski that won't be as happy to slide around in bumpy/choppy conditions but can still work really well with the right technique (which seems to match the reviewer's impressions)
Yeah, as Steven mentioned in his comment, the Experience 86 is going to pull you into a turn more and is a superior carving ski, but you lose some versatility. The narrower Mavericks are great in bumps, but don't carve as well as the Experience, or at least don't feel as responsive when doing so.
How would these compare to the Rossi Bandits I have love and, how will they perform at the North East mountains, Killington etc ? Thanks and mixes videos your putting out. Theirs a lot of confusion sometimes for folks who aren't experts trying to understand and choose a Ski set up. I'm 64, skies on Rossi Quantums for years until getting the Bandits in 2013 and I thought I was is heaven back then, hence the aforementioned question of comparison. Thanks !
We've been in love with those Experience 86 Ti's ever since they came out--they're quickly climbing the ladder of my preference, and for skiing at Killington, I think it makes perfect sense. I found them to be great bump skis, decent in the trees, and absolutely fantastic on the groomers. The quality is all there as well, as these skis have certainly entered the discussion of being "premium" products.
Great review! How would you compare this EX 86 Ti with Nordica Enforcer 88?
In my opinion, the biggest difference is the shape. The Enforcer has more rocker and more taper, which gives it a slightly more versatile feel and it feels a little different when initiating a carve. The Experience is more precise. There's really no early taper at all, so you have a longer effective edge at a lower edge angle. They're definitely in the same conversation now, or at least more than they were before, just a different feel.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for your reply! I think I understand what you mean, basically Experience 86 Ti is a better carving ski and probably quicker edge to edge, Enforcer 88 is better all-round ski because of its shape. How about on moguls, which one is easier or has more fun?
@@hengyan3742 I think it's fair to say that most skiers would find the Experience 86 feels like the better carving ski, and most skiers would find the Enforcer 88 easier in moguls. Those differences are probably most noticeable for someone in the intermediate-advanced range. An expert skier would most likely find they can both carve and ski moguls on both skis without any major issues. I just think the shape of the Experience is more demanding in moguls, which could be challenging for an intermediate.
I tried the Elan Wingman 86 CTI in the 178 and the Nordica Doberman 80 RB in a 180 and found both sizes ok. Would the 176cm or 185 ski similar given the rocker profile. I am 5"11 205. leaning towards the 176 but the 185 would rip im sure.
Hey David! I generally test/ski the Wingman in the 178 cm length and like that length a lot. In the Experience, the 176 cm felt great to me. Bob, who is more like 6'2 225, was on the 185 cm. I'm a little smaller than you, but figured I'd let you know my take on the lengths. I expect that if you like the 178 cm Wingman, you'll like the 176 Experience like I did.
I was debating between the Exp 84AI and the Nordica Enforcer 88. Now I'm wondering how the Exp86TI fall in this mix. Carving on groomers is nice but need to deal with a lot of crud and ice on steeps. So How does the Exp 86TI compare with the exp 84AI in the steeps with crud and ice. I love carving but want to better at the bad conditions
Should clarify because i left comment under my wife's profile. I'm 54 yr male, 5'10", 195 lbs...advanced skier
The Experience 86 Ti is more stable and has more torsional stiffness than the Exp 84 AI, so better on firm snow and steeps, especially when you combine the two. Enforcer 88 is a closer comparison, although it's less precise on firm snow and feels a little more versatile off-piste. I'd lean towards either the Enforcer 88 or Experience 86 Ti if I were you. Both those skis are going to feel more stable and more confidence-inspiring in the ice/crud/steep stuff.
Seems like the obvious comparison now is the Navigator 85... soft tip, light metal, carving-oriented tail.
Im assuming they’re pretty similar- any major differences in how they feel?
The Experience 86 definitely feels more powerful. A little stiffer, more aggressive feel. The Navigator is more forgiving for a less aggressive skier. That said, they definitely have some similarities too. Similar shape, good edge grip, good turn initiation, they just have a different balance of powder vs forgiveness.
I was pretty set on the Redster Q9.8 until i saw this video. How would they compare? I am a middle-aged ex-racer 5-11 225lbs that want to cruise more with a versatile 1 ski does it all in varying on-piste conditions, but can turn it on occasionally and not feel too unstable with GS turns. Also considering the Thunderbird R15 WB. Would love to hear your opinion on these 3 skis. Keep up the great work, love the videos.
I think the ex-racer in you will gravitate to the Q9.8 and the R1 over the Experience, but the all-mountain skier in you will definitely love the well-rounded and high-end nature of the 86Ti. The Atomic is interesting because it has a pretty wide footprint for such a short turn radius. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is an over-arching part of its personality. The Thunderbird is a fantastic carver and we loved it from the second we got on it, but it definitely falls short of the Rossignol when it comes to versatility. You're giving up some carving power with the Rossignol, but gaining a ton of all-around performance. I think it's an amazing option for doing it all--you just need to kind of decide how much of your time is spent on groomers and in a carved turn. If it's more like 90% of the time, I'd lean to Thunderbird.
What do think of this ski as an all mountain tele ski? I was planning on the 84 or 88 before this video.
Oh! I think that would work really well! The rocker profile, but lack of camber, feels like it would work really well as a touring ski.
Are you now saying that the air tips of the old 88 bounce around because in the review of the 219/20. (Unchanged) it was reported that they we not bouncy in the tip. I ski them and there is no chatter in that lite tip.
No, I certainly wouldn't say they bounce around, but this new shape is more precise in a carve and does feel a little stronger at speed. Just a longer effective edge, basically, but the previous Experience skis weren't particularly unstable, just a much different shape.
I’m an ex racer, do you think these would be good for me? I need a ski that can provide high performance but my current racing slalom skis are just so heavy and have become too small for me. I’m 5’11 and 165 pounds, do you think I should get the 176 or 185? I would prefer a shorter turn radius so I’m leaning towards 176 but I would like your opinion. Thanks!
HI Rhys!
We were all pretty impressed with the Experience, not only from an on-trail and carving perspective, but also from an all-mountain versatility one. I'd go with the 176 for that shorter arc, but I don't think the 185 would be too long, either. Have fun!
SE
These or 2022 Elan ripstick 96 black edition? How they compare?
Depends what you're looking for. The Ripstick 96 is definitely a more versatile ski, more freeride influence in its shape and overall performance. The Experience is quicker edge to edge and I think it's fair to say that most people would find it to be the better carving ski, but you lose some versatility.
So the criticism of the old old 88s was that the “extended side cut” was hooky? These new 86s have the same extended side cut so won’t they be hooky also?
The biggest difference between the old 88 and this new 86 is the amount of rocker. The rocker in the 86 is longer, which takes away some of that hooky feel. There's also kind of a different focus. I think it's fair to say Rossignol is focusing more on firm snow performance in these skis and isn't as worried about losing some all-mountain versatility as they have been in past Experience skis. Not to say that these aren't still versatile, but I think they lean more towards frontside performance than any previous Experience ski.
What length would you say for a 5'7 165 pound advanced (far from expert) skiier? I feel like 172 would be perfect, but alas we have 167 or 176...176 feels long for me as even my freeride ski is 175 but 167 feels like slalom ski terrain and somehow feels a touch short...thoughts?
I'd go 167 in that ski. It's a sturdy performer, so it's okay to be on the short side. Have fun!
Hey Jeff!! I’m kind of a beginner skier and was looking at either these or the atomic maverick 86c skis..which would u prefer? Also I’m 5”5 165 pounds..what length would u recommend ?
I'd look to the Rossignol 86 Basalt over the Ti version--much better for progression and maneuverability. Between the 86 Basalt and the Maverick 86 C, the Atomic is a bit quicker and more versatile while the Rossignol prefers more on-trail performance. I'd go with the 161 in the Atomic. Have fun!
SE
@@SkiEssentials thank you I appreciate it
This has probably been asked a 100x but what mountain is this your testing the skis on?
Stowe I think
Yeah, we do most of our testing at Stowe Mountain Resort. Our office and warehouse is located in Stowe village. Takes about 10-15 minutes to go from sitting in the office to booting up in the parking lot!
Would one want a stiffer boot to get the most of these skis? Currently in Rossignol ALLTRACK 100HV boots and looking to step up to a longer, more aggressive ski for next season.
Thanks!
Stiffer boots are more responsive, but if the skier, for whatever reason, be it skill, ankle flexion, or other cannot flex the boot, then it's worthless to get a stiffer boot. If you're more of an aggressive skier and are comfortable flexing into the front of your boot, then a stiffer boot will get more performance out of the ski.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks so much! I'll give my current boots a shot and see how it goes from there. Appreciate you!
Mark, i'm 6,2", 188 weight, advanced skier, exp 86 is my choice but 176 M or 185 M ?
I personally would go 185 cm if I was your size. 176 feels short, mostly for your height. I'm 5'10 and around 150 lbs and the 176 feels perfect to me, so I would only guess it would feel short to you. I do know Bob was testing the 185 and loved that length. He's a little heavier, but the same height essentially.
How would this ski compare to a Head Supershape Titan or Rally?
Somewhat similar to the Titan, although the Experience 86 Ti feels more versatile as an all-mountain ski. More tip rocker and a slightly softer flex pattern makes them more capable and more forgiving in technical terrain like moguls, trees, etc. On the other hand, it's probably fair to say they aren't quite as precise as the Titan on really firm snow, although they're very close.
I've been on Experience 84 since 2014-15 and these look very similar in terms of shape! Currently on Exp 84 2018-19 and find this model a definite progression in terms of all mountain but not in terms of piste / hardcharging . . .is this not a re-vamp of the original 2014-15 ski . . .?
The construction is a lot different and the tip shape is different. There's more rocker in the Experience 86 than the 14/15 Experience 84. It's kind of like they took both of those shapes and blended them together, but the construction still feels different.
These pretty much looks like the skis Rossignol was selling about 3-4 years ago with much more muted graphics. Rossignol marketing: extended side cut is best (6 years ago) - tapered tips and tails make the ski way more versatile "all mountain" skis (3 years ago) - "new" and "improved" with extended side cut for "all trail" skiing (today). What's old is new again!!
I was thinking the same thing. I think Rossignol brought too much 7 series into the Experience line last time, and the Experience skis lost a bit of their uniqueness in the lineup. It seems they backed off that mostly (but not completely).
Haha, I definitely thought about that too, but this new ski does feel different and does actually look quite a bit different when you see it in person. Longer rocker in the tip, yet it also looks and feels like they took more influence from frontside carvers than even the ~6 year old Experience skis.
How would you compare it to an atomic redster q7 revoshock c
The Redster Q7 feels softer and more supple, but not as powerful or as strong as the Experience 86 Ti. The Redster Q9.8 would be a closer comparison.
Looks kinda like they went back to the old shape, but with way more tip rocker
Yeah, that's a pretty accurate assessment. The rocker does change it quite a bit, however.
How would you compare this to Salomon Stance 90?
Pretty similar--I'd say that in addition to the Rossignol having more of a front side shape and attitude, it just seems to have a sturdier overall build and quality. It's definitely entering the "premium" discussion and it makes a lot of sense when you get on them.
How would you compare these to the kendo?
Kendo feels more versatile to me, but heavier too. I actually think the Deacon 84 might be a closer comparison to the Experience 86 now. Both of those feel like skis that carve exceptionally well, and still perform respectably as all-mountain skis, where the Kendo is more of an all-mountain ski that carves respectively well. Hope that makes sense...
@@SkiEssentials Ah, so it sounds like they are more in wide carving ski territory vs the previous 88 which was more all mountain oriented.
Just bought the 2021 Experience 88... now Im second guessing that decision.. dammit!
I wouldn't worry about your 2021 purchase. The 2021 is still a great ski and you do get a little more all-mountain maneuverability of it. Just less precision mostly.
@@SkiEssentials thanks for easing my easing woes!
That’s what I was hoping for actually since I already have great carving ski & a dedicated powder ski. I live in the east coast and I wanted something in the middle.
Any recommendations on the binding?? I’ve always like the feel of Solomon’s for my freeride skis.
Should I go with MNC 13 or STH? Or go Marker 13ID?
Any information provided I’ll be sure to buy them on Ski-essentials just like my skis! 😂
Joking aside, I’m knew to the channel but I love you videos & website. Keep up the great work!
Can heavy 200 lb plus ski these?
Two of our testers (myself included) are over 220 pounds and did not find weight to be an issue at all. On the 185, they were strong and stable and very well-rounded. No issues with power or performance. Have fun!
SE
How would you compare this to HEAD Kore 93
both are great skis for boomers
@@sethvicious groomers 😂?
@@theskiinggamer9513 maybe if you're a boomer
Kore 93 is a more versatile shape. It's quicker and more agile in trees, moguls, etc. Easier edge release. It doesn't, however, come close to the carving performance of the Experience 86. The Experience has more edge grip, feels more stable at high speeds, more vibration damping, etc.
What does Ti stands for?
Titanal (metal)
@@KM-cg2bi Thank you
How would this compare to an enforcer 88 as far as an all mountain intermediate ski? And also the ripstick 88 for an intermediate. I’m 6’2” 220 and I keep hearing the ripstick might not be enough ski being as big as I am. I’m currently on a navigator 80.
Hey Chris! If I were to draw a spectrum of performance from "on trail, carving performance" to "off trail, maneuverability, soft snow performance" it would go Experience 86 Ti, Enforcer 88, then Ripstick 88. The Experience 86 has a shape that's most geared towards carving and on trail use. There's some versatility too, but not as much as the Enforcer 88 and especially not as much as the Ripstick 88. If you do go Ripstick, you'll want to go with a longer length so it will be supportive for your weight. Enforcer 88 could be a good choice if you want some versatility, but also stronger carving performance than the Ripstick...
This or Enforcer 88
Both are great. Experience 86 feels more precise, Enforcer 88 a little more versatile.
@@SkiEssentials Enforcer it is then.
The one single huge mistake : Pre-mounted bindings !!!!!! I ONLY ski LOOK TT's ("Pivot"), period. SO fed up with manufacturers pre-mounting bindings...................
It does come flat too, so you still need to decide if you're going to stretch a Pivot 75 or have some overhang on your 95's.