It’s incredible to see the difference in how an ocean liner such as the QM2 handles these weather conditions compared to the likes of your standard 4K passenger top heavy cruise ship! It looks like it was a comfortable trip despite the weather!
This is why I'd always say ocean liners are superior to cruise ships, they're made to withstand high winds and waves. Have you seen cruise ships in storms when all their tables and chairs moves around and break
I have personally been on the QM2 during a force 9 wind (one notch below hurricane strenght). We sat in the Britannia dining room and enjoyed a very pleasant dinner, no real diffenece from a calm sea. Done 5 crossings. The ship is just amazing!
That's because of active stabilizers that greatly reduce ship rolling. Too expensive to have on cargo ships or cheap passenger ferries, but all serious superliners have them.
Force 9 is 3 notches below hurricane force. 9=severe gale; 10=storm; 11=violent storm; 12=hurricane (74+ mph). Gusts are much higher in mph than those numbers of course. Just saying. Interesting video but not for me, eek!
Enjoyable! That row of window seats on Deck 3 forward is such a great place to hang out and watch the sea. It's always a thrill when they reach eye level...or above! I was aboard QM2 on her early June 2017 westbound transatlantic crossing, when she was diverted to rescue the stranded solo yachtsman Mervyn Wheatley. We had just passed through a major Atlantic depression which generated very high seas and strong winds. Crew members said it was the worst conditions they'd seen in ten years. The ship's pitch and roll motions were pretty substantial at times- passengers walking the passageways did so weaving side to side and bumping walls! But she is designed for this duty, and is manned by an exceptional crew.
I was scheduled to cruise west in May of that year, but had to cancel. Lost 2000 pounds which sucked, but it seems I would have missed the action of your June crossing regardless. I booked a solo cabin right down near the water with the large round windows.
I was on a Celebrity cruise ship when an early Nor’easter blew in and produced similar seas. It was the last New England East Coast cruise of the year. The Captain promptly headed into safe harbor at Nova Scotia to ride out the storm. I never felt threatened, but would have felt safer on a ship like QM2.
Of course. the QM2 was designed to be capable of regular service crossing the Atllantic, rain or shine. None of these floating hotels is a real ship and none can do that.
I did this same voyage in 2018 the seas were much bigger and she handled it with ease! I am hyper envious of you on the only true liner! My Uncles are doing the Christmas voyage right now! Amazing ship! Thanks for the memories!
@@outsidersongs2682 to be honest if I didn’t look outside you wouldn’t know it was storm force! Obviously if you go right to the extremes of the ship, fore, aft or top decks you would feel the movement more! We stayed deck 6 mid ships and genuinely felt very little movement
So much better than on those rediculous floating hotel resorts. She is a true ocean going vessel. I have crossed the Atlantic on my 44’ sailboat. Been in force 8. Also have crossed on a Carnival ship and the Wind Star small sailing cruise boat/yacht. Love it all. But for comfort and safety, id take the QM 2!
I sailed on her last December coming home from Europe though a force 9/10 gale. The ship was very sturdy and you felt almost nothing mid ship....but I felt the swells in my cabin in the bow of the ship...I loved it!
Reassuring the grand lady does well in vicious storms. It's been an issue deciding to book a crossing. Thanks for the video. My questions have been answered.
I’m really, really envious. When I left Fleetwood Nautical College my first position was as one of the Radio Officers on MVQE2 (callsign GBTT). In a perverse way I loved the rough weather as the majority of passengers were too sea sick to bother us in the Radio Room with requests for telephone calls. Two notable occasions were when we sailed through Hurricane Bertha in the Mexican Gulf, and when we went to the rescue of an Oil Rig in the North Sea as it had lost its anchor points and life boat in Force 12 seas. Happy times. I’ve yet to experience a cruise as a passenger though. Regards Nidge.
nothing preverse about it, the 8 days without stops for sightseeing can be quite boring, esp after you've read all the books in that nice ship library.
@@anastassiosperakis2869 I could not go ón a ship for 8 days. Só boring nó matter what facilities it had. Would rather go ón a Cruise see different places and trips every day. Otherwise would rather fly.
Never want to see QM 2 get scrapped be it 20 years from now. Too beautiful to be dragged and cut up like ocean liner SS FRANCE (Norway) was iin 2006 in Alang.
This is slightly puzzling because while the weather report says hurricane force winds (force 12), the sea state is only "very rough", which is 4 - 6m and the seas expected with force 7. Above "very rough" are high, very high and phenomenal. The latter (over 14m/46 feet) is expected with force 12, with sea conditions being "air filled with foam and spray, sea completely white with driving spray, visibility very seriously affected." Looks like you got off lightly!
Thanks for the video. Windy, but the waves looked rather insignificant. No 100 foot waves there. Still, If I took a trip w the QM2, I'd do it in the winter so the weather would be interesting, esp since the ship does not stop at any interesting ports along the way.
I love these different videos especially this one having been a sailor in a previous life on a submarine. We didn't have those beautiful windows but I share the excitement of an angry sea. Hope you offer a lengthy video of your travels.
I would be the woman sitting at the window. To see the Atlantic first hand in a hurricane, gliding through it... that is an incredible thing to get the chance to see.
I am in the initial phase of research for my 2022 or 2023 bucket list QM2 solo transatlantic adventure and haven't decided on a time of year yet. I was thinking of doing a December crossing, but am afraid that a storm like that would remind me of The Posiden Adventure.
I’ve been on the QM2 in conditions similar to this for one day of the trip, NY to Southampton. It was mildly uncomfortable but this video definitely does NOT show hurricane conditions. Having said that the QM2 is a fine ship. It’s the only way to go in my humble opinion.
I did a south Atlantic Crossing on the Queen Mary two Christmas sofa Lantic crossing from Southampton to New York then onto the Caribbean then back to New York City and then back to Southampton we ended up hitting a major storm at sea all the way to New York City and then coming back from the Caribbean to New York City we hit a major snowstorm that totally shut down New York City this was in 2012 to 2013 but it was a holiday I will never forget I don’t think I would ride the Queen Mary two again it was a bit Hootie tutti for me too posh not my cup of tea but it was an amazing holiday I will never forget thank you Cunard
Same but a few years later. Was an amazing experience. I'd rather do another tour of the Mediterranean first on Queen Elizabeth but wouldn't say no to another transatlantic in the future. Thanks for sharing Dave.
This was 3 weeks ago Zola. When we got to New York the sun was out and it got warmer as we made our way to the Caribbean. It was a fantastic trip. Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
This is what differentiates an ocean liner from a cruise ship. In bad weathers cruise ships are supposed to stay in harbors but ocean liners keep on steaming.
It was very early in the morning on that day. Maybe 0700 so no great surprise. But even the rest of the time with 2600 onboard you could be walking on most of the decks and not see too many people. The ship is THAT big.
Essential RC I know what you mean, we have cruised from Vancouver to Alaska and from Los Angeles to Mexico and there hardly seemed to be many around except at meal times.
I’ve been through one of those in the Pacific aboard the USS Juneau (LPD-10) crossing from Sasebo Japan 🇯🇵 to San Francisco CA 🇺🇸. We had 4 helicopters 🚁 on the flight deck and were chained down,
Boat is pretty stable. I remember a very rough Portsmouth-Bilbao crossing, there was vomit everywhere and you couldn't walk in straight lines.I remember an asian man and a small boy about 5-7. The man was guiding his son round the various ash trays in the lobby to vomit. Here's one, quick it's full over to the next.
@@joannexavier-troxel6956 Why spend all that money. Get some store brand Benadryl (brand name) AKA Diphenhydramine (generic drug name) .. It's the same ingredient that produces the anti-nausea effect as dramamine, works just as well, but costs almost nothing in comparison. Dramamine is just diphenhydramine mixed with a little bit of a stimulant to counter the side effect that diphenhydramine makes you tired. You can just take a couple store brand diphenhydramine and drink a cup of coffee and get exactly the same effect. Lol. Except it's literally pennies on the dollar compared to dramamine... Side note, The brand Benadryl is a completely different drug in the UK so to avoid confusion (and save money) just always look for diphenhydramine rather than the brand name.
I avoid unnecessary pills. AMericans are notorious about solving every real or perceived problem by filling their palm with pills and throwing them in their mouths, and their physicians have a big share of theblame encouraging it.
Oh Heck I can't believe you were State side and didn't come for some South Hospitality, a cold Drink, I would have balt and check out the Potential Essential US Extension, But I don't know if I could have remembered my own name after that luxurious Sail across the sea ! Oh my God That's was Nuts! Maybe next trip when seas are calm!
I watched a very impressive video on the Queen Mary 2 ! I got to ask did they have that Amazing Light Show while you were on board! A dumb one here what about during the Hurricane did they light her up to calm the guests?
Yeah! There was virtually no roll. Quite amazing. Pitching was significant but enough hand rails to hold onto so could move around. I think straps to hold me in bed would have been good though ! Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
@@EssentialRC something amazing that happened in 1956 was the collision of the doria. everyone on board was saved after the ile de france turned around to pick up everyone from the doria in under 3 hours. No-one died that day because of the rapid response of ships nearby. Interesting heroic story
Got an opportunity to see this Majestic Ship Queen Elizabeth II when she birth in Honolulu Harbor. I was a teenager then. About 2 weeks later she was painted Haze Gray and underway to the Falkland Islands. She is a beautiful stately ship. God bless the ship's crew of SS Queen Elizabeth II.
This type of storm is what the Anthem of the Sea’s had to deal with and and QM2 had know trouble at all an had no damage. But she was built very strong as a Ocean Liner not a cruise ship.
That's not what I call a proper force 12. It's got the wind, but not the waves. Not that i'm a believer, but a proper force 12 is like the hand of god.
We survived and I'm back. This was 5 days into a 19 day cruise just before we got to New York. Mildly uncomfortable experience and worth it for the subsequent 14 days of sunshine. We'll definitely do it again. Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
I'm back but have a lot of product reviews to catch up on plus compilation videos to edit and upload...so won't be until new year now. Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
It’s incredible to see the difference in how an ocean liner such as the QM2 handles these weather conditions compared to the likes of your standard 4K passenger top heavy cruise ship! It looks like it was a comfortable trip despite the weather!
It was comfortable but we were wearing wristbands and taking all the other sea sickness cures !
Yep but she is getting old and tired. Going on 20 years now, she needs to be replaced!
Cunard make great ships. Each time I see something like this I just think how elegant she is. Just like her older sister Titanic I’m sure.
Maybem but to be fair, cruises are for pleasure, there not built to drag peopel trhough storms and ruin their experience
@@EperogiLimousine Cruise ships are not designed to transport passengers across the North Atlantic......Ocean liners are.
This is why I'd always say ocean liners are superior to cruise ships, they're made to withstand high winds and waves. Have you seen cruise ships in storms when all their tables and chairs moves around and break
thats because cruise ships are for leisure, so they can stay around calm waters, while ocean liners are for utility which have to go in stormy seas
@@TheFlumeUnplugged OLs were also designed for leisure also, just more focused in utility but both are there
Ocean Liners are proper ships,
Cruise ships are just skyscrapers that have toppled over and had a raft put under them.
@@carltrotter7622 I agree. I'd rather fly, it is much safer.
@@pinguthepenguin9296 no it's not. 🤣
I have personally been on the QM2 during a force 9 wind (one notch below hurricane strenght). We sat in the Britannia dining room and enjoyed a very pleasant dinner, no real diffenece from a calm sea. Done 5 crossings. The ship is just amazing!
That's because of active stabilizers that greatly reduce ship rolling. Too expensive to have on cargo ships or cheap passenger ferries, but all serious superliners have them.
Force 9 is 3 notches below hurricane force. 9=severe gale; 10=storm; 11=violent storm; 12=hurricane (74+ mph). Gusts are much higher in mph than those numbers of course. Just saying. Interesting video but not for me, eek!
Enjoyable! That row of window seats on Deck 3 forward is such a great place to hang out and watch the sea. It's always a thrill when they reach eye level...or above!
I was aboard QM2 on her early June 2017 westbound transatlantic crossing, when she was diverted to rescue the stranded solo yachtsman Mervyn Wheatley. We had just passed through a major Atlantic depression which generated very high seas and strong winds. Crew members said it was the worst conditions they'd seen in ten years. The ship's pitch and roll motions were pretty substantial at times- passengers walking the passageways did so weaving side to side and bumping walls! But she is designed for this duty, and is manned by an exceptional crew.
I was scheduled to cruise west in May of that year, but had to cancel. Lost 2000 pounds which sucked, but it seems I would have missed the action of your June crossing regardless. I booked a solo cabin right down near the water with the large round windows.
I was on a Celebrity cruise ship when an early Nor’easter blew in and produced similar seas. It was the last New England East Coast cruise of the year. The Captain promptly headed into safe harbor at Nova Scotia to ride out the storm. I never felt threatened, but would have felt safer on a ship like QM2.
Of course. the QM2 was designed to be capable of regular service crossing the Atllantic, rain or shine. None of these floating hotels is a real ship and none can do that.
@@anastassiosperakis2869 🤣🤣
Blows my mind how explorers in 16th centuries etc coped with those weather conditions in their tiny boats.
That was the era of STEEL men and WOODEN ships.
I did this same voyage in 2018 the seas were much bigger and she handled it with ease! I am hyper envious of you on the only true liner! My Uncles are doing the Christmas voyage right now! Amazing ship! Thanks for the memories!
How rocky was the ship, would you say? Needing to hold onto walls a lot or barely needing to?
@@outsidersongs2682 to be honest if I didn’t look outside you wouldn’t know it was storm force! Obviously if you go right to the extremes of the ship, fore, aft or top decks you would feel the movement more! We stayed deck 6 mid ships and genuinely felt very little movement
So much better than on those rediculous floating hotel resorts. She is a true ocean going vessel. I have crossed the Atlantic on my 44’ sailboat. Been in force 8. Also have crossed on a Carnival ship and the Wind Star small sailing cruise boat/yacht. Love it all. But for comfort and safety, id take the QM 2!
I sailed on her last December coming home from Europe though a force 9/10 gale. The ship was very sturdy and you felt almost nothing mid ship....but I felt the swells in my cabin in the bow of the ship...I loved it!
Reassuring the grand lady does well in vicious storms. It's been an issue deciding to book a crossing. Thanks for the video. My questions have been answered.
I’m really, really envious. When I left Fleetwood Nautical College my first position was as one of the Radio Officers on MVQE2 (callsign GBTT). In a perverse way I loved the rough weather as the majority of passengers were too sea sick to bother us in the Radio Room with requests for telephone calls. Two notable occasions were when we sailed through Hurricane Bertha in the Mexican Gulf, and when we went to the rescue of an Oil Rig in the North Sea as it had lost its anchor points and life boat in Force 12 seas. Happy times. I’ve yet to experience a cruise as a passenger though.
Regards
Nidge.
nothing preverse about it, the 8 days without stops for sightseeing can be quite boring, esp after you've read all the books in that nice ship library.
@@anastassiosperakis2869 I could not go ón a ship for 8 days. Só boring nó matter what facilities it had. Would rather go ón a Cruise see different places and trips every day. Otherwise would rather fly.
I so miss being at sea in this kind of weather: awesome!
Never want to see QM 2 get scrapped be it 20 years from now. Too beautiful to be dragged and cut up like ocean liner SS FRANCE (Norway) was iin 2006 in Alang.
Yes, that was very hard to see.
This is slightly puzzling because while the weather report says hurricane force winds (force 12), the sea state is only "very rough", which is 4 - 6m and the seas expected with force 7. Above "very rough" are high, very high and phenomenal. The latter (over 14m/46 feet) is expected with force 12, with sea conditions being "air filled with foam and spray, sea completely white with driving spray, visibility very seriously affected." Looks like you got off lightly!
That row of window seats forward on Deck 3 is one of my favorite spots on QM2.
Thanks for the video. Windy, but the waves looked rather insignificant. No 100 foot waves there. Still, If I took a trip w the QM2, I'd do it in the winter so the weather would be interesting, esp since the ship does not stop at any interesting ports along the way.
If you're going to be on a ship during rough seas, you want to be on the Queen Mary 2. It's one of most stable ships out there.
I love these different videos especially this one having been a sailor in a previous life on a submarine. We didn't have those beautiful windows but I share the excitement of an angry sea. Hope you offer a lengthy video of your travels.
I have served in infantry ww1 est front
@@luca-pk5ff I think I saw you once through the periscope, what color was your uniform and were you holding a dog?
@@49walker44 dark green and beige. I dont remember the doggo
@@luca-pk5ff GREEN KILT AND BEIGE SOCK? It was you, could of sworn there was a dog. Bagpipes maybe?
wdym previous life?
I would be the woman sitting at the window. To see the Atlantic first hand in a hurricane, gliding through it... that is an incredible thing to get the chance to see.
One of the most stability ship.
I am in the initial phase of research for my 2022 or 2023 bucket list QM2 solo transatlantic adventure and haven't decided on a time of year yet. I was thinking of doing a December crossing, but am afraid that a storm like that would remind me of The Posiden Adventure.
irrelevant comparison. And on top of it all, that was a FAIRY TALE. Not an actual event.
Romantic 😂💖💪
I’ve been on the QM2 in conditions similar to this for one day of the trip, NY to Southampton. It was mildly uncomfortable but this video definitely does NOT show hurricane conditions. Having said that the QM2 is a fine ship. It’s the only way to go in my humble opinion.
Wow! You wasn’t even onboard and yet you still know the weather conditions. You’re truly gifted.
I did a south Atlantic Crossing on the Queen Mary two Christmas sofa Lantic crossing from Southampton to New York then onto the Caribbean then back to New York City and then back to Southampton we ended up hitting a major storm at sea all the way to New York City and then coming back from the Caribbean to New York City we hit a major snowstorm that totally shut down New York City this was in 2012 to 2013 but it was a holiday I will never forget I don’t think I would ride the Queen Mary two again it was a bit Hootie tutti for me too posh not my cup of tea but it was an amazing holiday I will never forget thank you Cunard
Same but a few years later. Was an amazing experience. I'd rather do another tour of the Mediterranean first on Queen Elizabeth but wouldn't say no to another transatlantic in the future. Thanks for sharing Dave.
really a plumby day, i hope it will go better ! thank fpr sharing!
Cheers.
This was 3 weeks ago Zola. When we got to New York the sun was out and it got warmer as we made our way to the Caribbean. It was a fantastic trip. Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
That was eye opening, wow..
This is what differentiates an ocean liner from a cruise ship. In bad weathers cruise ships are supposed to stay in harbors but ocean liners keep on steaming.
All things considered, it is amazing that the ocean is so powerful to move this giant 150,000 tons ship.
It would not if you have a clue.
Are you sure it wasn't the Marie Celeste you were on? You two had the entire ship to yourself.
It was very early in the morning on that day. Maybe 0700 so no great surprise. But even the rest of the time with 2600 onboard you could be walking on most of the decks and not see too many people. The ship is THAT big.
Essential RC
I know what you mean, we have cruised from Vancouver to Alaska and from Los Angeles to Mexico and there hardly seemed to be many around except at meal times.
Many more were on their knees wishing the sea sick pills would have worked.
QM2 is like that, is so huge and the passenger level relatively low that there is always somewhere you can have to yourself.
I’ve been through one of those in the Pacific aboard the USS Juneau (LPD-10) crossing from Sasebo Japan 🇯🇵 to San Francisco CA 🇺🇸. We had 4 helicopters 🚁 on the flight deck and were chained down,
Best time to travel on Queen Mary 2 is summer and spring if possible.
Boat is pretty stable. I remember a very rough Portsmouth-Bilbao crossing, there was vomit everywhere and you couldn't walk in straight lines.I remember an asian man and a small boy about 5-7. The man was guiding his son round the various ash trays in the lobby to vomit. Here's one, quick it's full over to the next.
OMG...that sounds horrific. LOL
@@EssentialRC I was only about 11 and I'm good with motion sickness. I thought it was a 36hr rollercoaster.
My húsband went from South Hampton tó New York in a storm they had tó shelter in the Azores.
When stormy seas upset your equilibrium, Zofran is your friend.
It’s Dramamine for me.
@@joannexavier-troxel6956 Why spend all that money. Get some store brand Benadryl (brand name) AKA Diphenhydramine (generic drug name) .. It's the same ingredient that produces the anti-nausea effect as dramamine, works just as well, but costs almost nothing in comparison. Dramamine is just diphenhydramine mixed with a little bit of a stimulant to counter the side effect that diphenhydramine makes you tired. You can just take a couple store brand diphenhydramine and drink a cup of coffee and get exactly the same effect. Lol. Except it's literally pennies on the dollar compared to dramamine... Side note, The brand Benadryl is a completely different drug in the UK so to avoid confusion (and save money) just always look for diphenhydramine rather than the brand name.
I avoid unnecessary pills. AMericans are notorious about solving every real or perceived problem by filling their palm with pills and throwing them in their mouths, and their physicians have a big share of theblame encouraging it.
I agree fedora. Ocean liners > Cruise ships. Love the queen mary 2. Most beautiful ship in the world.
I’ve never done Cruise before, but I would probably prefer the Ocean Liners instead.
Great video,keep it up!'.
@ 1:26, the door is wide open & you just left it that way instead of closing it?
It was already open and fixed in that open position.
You had a stateroom on deck 12?
Yes! Fun motion up there. They should provide straps with the beds
Just like in pilot instrument training. Rely on instruments and not your body senses. The ocean liner won't fail you and instruments won't fail you.
I wonder what it would look like in one of the glass elevators towards the front of the ship
Why us the whole ship so quiet lol
Lunchtime probably 😋
Oh Heck I can't believe you were State side and didn't come for some South Hospitality, a cold Drink, I would have balt and check out the Potential Essential US Extension, But I don't know if I could have remembered my own name after that luxurious Sail across the sea ! Oh my God That's was Nuts! Maybe next trip when seas are calm!
Wow...terrifying
I watched a very impressive video on the Queen Mary 2 ! I got to ask did they have that Amazing Light Show while you were on board! A dumb one here what about during the Hurricane did they light her up to calm the guests?
Those underwater wings must be working their buts off to keep that ginormous beast stable
Yeah! There was virtually no roll. Quite amazing. Pitching was significant but enough hand rails to hold onto so could move around. I think straps to hold me in bed would have been good though ! Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
@@EssentialRC something amazing that happened in 1956 was the collision of the doria. everyone on board was saved after the ile de france turned around to pick up everyone from the doria in under 3 hours. No-one died that day because of the rapid response of ships nearby. Interesting heroic story
They should start building more ocean liners instead of cruise ships!
This ocean liner made to handle strong hurricanes storms.
Queen Mary 2 handled her sesellf great during this bad hurricane force winds I noticed we not loss anything but this is what she was built to handle!
Got an opportunity to see this Majestic Ship Queen Elizabeth II when she birth in Honolulu Harbor. I was a teenager then. About 2 weeks later she was painted Haze Gray and underway to the Falkland Islands.
She is a beautiful stately ship.
God bless the ship's crew of SS Queen Elizabeth II.
Anchored at Torquay for months
Yup...and I think it will be a long time before its safe enough to go cruising.
I wish there were more ocean liners vs cruise ships. I would feel much more secure traveling in all weather conditions.
If a lightsaber was a weapon for a more civilized time than the same is for ocean liners
This type of storm is what the Anthem of the Sea’s had to deal with and and QM2 had know trouble at all an had no damage.
But she was built very strong as a Ocean Liner not a cruise ship.
doesn't look too bad really
That's not what I call a proper force 12. It's got the wind, but not the waves. Not that i'm a believer, but a proper force 12 is like the hand of god.
That's crazy how she seems to hardly move. Maybe it is just an impression and maybe it was worse aboard?
wow !
SAFE TRAVLES BUDDY
We survived and I'm back. This was 5 days into a 19 day cruise just before we got to New York. Mildly uncomfortable experience and worth it for the subsequent 14 days of sunshine. We'll definitely do it again. Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
@@EssentialRC ok when u get back get some video on your progress of the blackbird!
I'm back but have a lot of product reviews to catch up on plus compilation videos to edit and upload...so won't be until new year now. Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
I suppose it's worth enduring only if the Caribbean part of the cruise promises calm seas, romantic sunsets, lots of booze and platefuls of posh grub.
It did.
imagine queen mary 2 is a white star line
technically she is since Cunard bought out White Star Line
The ship was stable in storm because she is passenger ship.
Very rough :)
You had to be there really. I can laugh now but it wasn't exactly fun.
it is not storm it is nothing
3.36 shows 200 miles of calm seas lol , She can handle it 😂😂😂
Dude this is nothing to what i experienced on qm2 in 2011 i believe on canada cruise
Ред Бул do you have footage of it?
Ред Бул yeah,.....sure. 🥱🥱🥱
@@JulieWallis1963 back in the day of ‘HURRY TAKE A VIDEO SO I CAN SHOW EVERYONE’ you big PEICE of orange flump
That's not force 12, 6-8 maybe.