Vermont Transit Corridor Project - Overview
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2024
- Metro’s plan includes better transit that provides faster travel times and more reliable service along Vermont Avenue. This project between Hollywood Boulevard and 120th Street would also enhance connections to the Metro B, C, D and E Lines, including improved access to opportunities.
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Heavy rail, please! And make it elevated south of Gage. There is plenty of room in the median, and it would not only be vastly cheaper than tunneling, but construction would be completed much sooner too!
Miles of elevated rail lines will never happen in LA. They have tried several times, and residents don't want it. They proposed that for the Wilshure corridor and it was soundly defeated.
As a lifelong Angeleno, I agree. The reason is that LA already has tons of concrete viaducts called freeways all over the place. We don't want a smaller version of that in the middle of regular streets. It would only make the city have an even worse concrete jungle of infrastructure. It's not happening.
elevated rail is way less problematic overall than elevated freeways, especially in a city like LA where streets are already wide. the reason elevated freeways are problematic is because they take up space, are way louder and cause more pollution@@mrxman581
If this affects the Red Line, it would spit the purple line for a certain period. That’s the fear of a possibility.
@@OfficialRodrigoLeon It should be built as separate line to not interfere with the B and D lines. It can terminate at Wilshire/Western and travel down Vermont all the way to the C Line.
It's the busiest bus corridor (other than Wilshire). So building a light or heavy rail line on Vermont will have higher ridership than the C, K, and A Lines. The only issue is this corridor is severely underinvested!
Would love to see drafts for any potential heavy rail concept
Give us more trains!! :D
Vermont subway to the sea!
& To Burbank & Hollywood
An extension of the red line southwards would be nice. Cut and cover could be used to save costs, the stations could be constructed with platform screen doors and the rails should have modern signaling allowing for potential future automation of thr whole line.
I have two suggestions. 1) bus should be separated with fexible delineators, becase at times get blocked by delivery trucks, or stopped vehicles and buses are often forced to go around them. And have turn right signals🚦for vehicle movement, so that buses have right of way. 2). Give priority at intersection to light rail and bus rapid transit. Sometimes it takes forever to get somewhere because buses and light rail are forced to stop for signal changes. Other cities that have light rail at other cities get priority at intersections. Especially during rush hour.
we used to have priority signals on Vermont, but only at certain intersections, I was an operator on the 754 rapid, & 1 was on Vermont & Olympic, Wilshire, & Santa Monica, but they took them away & it was the worst thing they did. I also did the 207 on Western & it had a few too, but they were gone too with no reason why.
There seems to be some signal prioritization on the E Line in Santa Monica and the Westside.
@@mrxman581 possibly, but I'm retired now, so no mo driving 4 me.
@@blackscorpionlairgaming idk the times I've taken public transit I feel like it takes me longer because we have to constantly make the same stops at lights as the rest of the vehicles.
@@YoyoNYRkr exactly why they need 2 bring back the rapids
We're bringing the rails back, family. I can't wait for it to be as comfortable and easy to get around this city as it was in the 1940's.
The system was SLOW in the 1940s. It'll be better since the new trains will have more grade separations, higher capacity, and more density near the stations. The streetcar suburbia was a myth. The buses that replaced the streetcars were a massive improvement.
@@PASH3227It wasn't a myth for the first 20-25 years, before cars became ubiquitous in the city. And, even then, the Red cars were still very useful in the 1940s because they used more dedicated ROWs. It's the Yellow cars in the city proper that became very slow caught in traffic with cars because they didn't have a dedicated ROW. The LA light rail trains work more like the old Red cars because they do have dedicated and even some grade separated ROWs. In fact, the E line uses a section of the old Red car ROW that runs next to the 10 fwy.
0:26 gotta love how Metro can't even provide an up-to-date map on their own youtube channel
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Thank you! Vermont is a really bad street. It's designed like a highway so it's loud and difficult to cross, but it's jammed with too many cars, constant stop lights, and crosswalks. So it's also slow and dangerous. BRT needed to happen like yesterday. Buses should be able to fly past all the traffic to get people that don't need to drive voluntarily out of their cars to make less traffic for those that actually need to drive.
Metro, y’all have insane potential, don’t waste it, spend more, build a light rail or metro line, once the D extension is opened, y’all should also look at a K line extension up Crenshaw to to Wilshire, and or Hollywood, bring C service to Norwalk/santa Fe, so metrolink ppl can connect to/from SD to lax,and for the love of god, build the Sepulveda pass line as a metro, and not a BYD monorail scam
All those issues are being considered in one way or another. However, the funds are limited, and several other projects have already been approved to get funding first.
The SFV and Southeast Gateway lines have been approved and will probably start preliminary construction next year. I believe some of the $900 million LA Metro received in federal funding a few days ago is going to the SFV line.
@@mrxman581 but LAPD gets billions a year and constantly more and more budget without issue
If/when they build more B/D line grade metro lines (not light rail), they genuinely should focus primarily north & south…
like loosely yet effectively paralleling I-5 & I-405 between LA’s inner ring & having multiple lines terminate in Anaheim in front of very obvious attractions:
•Disneyland (obviously)
•their convention center (immediately next to Disneyland)
•Honda Center
•Angels Stadium
Much less Anaheim Regional Transit Center
The fact that having LA metro subways terminate right where OCTA could build an eventual baseline/system of BRT or LRT radiating from Anaheim’s core attractions aside…
…it’s quite likely going to eventually become hell-on-earth driving ANY distance between northern OC & LA’a core as the decades go on.
Sure, OC did A CRAP TON of work on I-5 & I-405 south of I-10, but to a considerable degree, LA County did the bare minimum (particularly in I-5’s case within the inner ring). And I-405 between LAX & Long Beach appears to be predominantly unaltered from original 1960s construction (save for the HOV lane).
That particular scenario regarding roads is going to translate into QUITE the bottleneck going into LA’s core from OC as the years go on…
Make it heavy rail SKIP the BRT just go straight to rail also make the 754/204 go to los feliz
Heavy rail wouldn't happen for about 20-25 years. Just about all the funding for rail has already been allocated for the next 12 years. BRT with a dedicated lane could happen before the 2028 Olympics by comparison.
short term fix, bus only lane, divert traffic to other streets. Long term, build more underground rail. Please do not create mix use streets. Having cars with trains makes each mode of transit less efficient as they interact with each other more which can cause accidents and delays. Also underground rail makes transferring lines easier. Let's do this LA!
Vermont South of Gage is Wide enough to support elevated rail. LA should really consider building more elevated trains to reduce cost
@@ronnyrueda5926and then at grade when it eventually gets extended to San Pedro where we’ll have the same problem as the other above ground rail lines?
@jesualdocortez6426 The issue is money. Subways at those distances are way too expensive. LA Metro doesn't have the money. LA Metro has done a great job in building their light rail lines with a combination of at grade, aerial, and subterranean stations where the lines are partially grade separated, too.
The light rail lines have top speeds that are close to the subway lines 55 vs 65 mph. The missing piece is signal prioritization on the light rail lines. Once that happens, you can get the average speed up to around 30mph. The average speed of the subway is around 35 mph.
The issue is money. Subways at those distances are way too expensive and take longer to build. LA Metro doesn't have the money long term. LA Metro has done a great job in building their light rail lines with a combination of at grade, aerial, and subterranean stations where the lines are partially grade separated, too.
LA has the weather to build light rail. The light rail lines have top speeds that are close to the subway lines 55 vs 65 mph. The missing piece is signal prioritization on the light rail lines. Once that happens, you can get the average speed up to around 30mph. The average speed of the subway is around 35 mph.
Mixed traffic is only an issue when cars get the utmost priority, which is almost always the case. Give pedestrians, trains and other transit vehicles signal priority and the cars can wait their turn.
Would love to see both heavy rail AND BRT! Heavy rail underground to provide fast service (maybe make it the Red/B Line, with just the Purple/D line going to Union Station) with BRT on the surface to better serve businesses and intermediate stops. Similar to Market Street in San Francisco with buses/trolleys on the surface and BART/Subway underneath.
The problem with making the Vermont Corridor an alteration of the B Line is they would need to build a junction just north of Wilshire/Vermont, which aside from being very expensive, means that corridor north of Wilshire will be completely shut down to rail for at least a year, likely more. It was barely okay for the Regional Connector construction to cut off East LA from the rest of the region. Metro and Vermont/Hollywood Blvd cannot afford for the B Line to effectively shut down for such a long period of time.
An alternate idea for the heavy rail line is to have the Vermont Line turn after Expo Park/USC to instead run on Alvarado towards MacArthur Park, keeping a connection to the same two lines, not shutting down the B Line, and allowing for rail extension into a new area. Plus, this can justify retaining the Vermont BRT and even changing its route south of Expo Park, possibly towards Sofi Stadium and LAX via Century Blvd.
@@harukidd Good idea! It would be less direct but would be less disruptive to service! Do you watch nandert?
@@PASH3227 I do. That’s where the Alvarado idea comes from, although I want it to go to Eagle Rock instead of Glendale for connectivity purposes.
I’ve got no personal reason for it, just that I think Glendale will have more connections in the future, and not sending this or maybe a Western BRT to Eagle Rock likely means Eagle Rock gets nothing beyond the NoHo-Pas BRT/G Line rail conversion. And I think Western BRT should be the one to go to Glendale because it’s just easier to do and can coexist with the streetcar they’re building, so by process of elimination I’d send Vermont Line to Eagle Rock.
@@harukiddThe reason for extending the subway South is to have a N/S artery on LA Metro. One that would connect to the E and C lines.
The other important N/S arteries that need to be approved is the extension of the K line to the Hollywood Bowl, and the Sepulveda Pass route
The B line wouldn't be completely closed. They'll have a bus to temporarily connect both sections of the B line. That's what they did on the East LA Gold line while the Regional Connector was being constructed. The line wasn't completely cut off. And the bus connection was free to Union Station.
@@mrxman581 I’m aware of the rationale for the extension. I just don’t think Metro is willing to disrupt the B Line in such a way for such a long period of time.
There is one massive difference between the East LA L Line and the Hollywood/Vermont B Line being isolated though. If something went wrong with the stranded trains in East LA, Metro could remove the train from the tracks and replace it. Super inconvenient, but possible. That is not possible with the B Line, because it’s underground and the only place that trains can surface and fully be removed is southeast of Union Station at Division 20, which the B Line would not have access to if the turn is shut down for constructing a junction.
Short term solution: BRT
But also make infrastructure for heavy rail (underground and/or aerial) so it's possible to convert in the future
All the way until C Line first is priority, then all the way to Harbor Gateway
for the cheaper alternative, skip the BRT and go straight to rail, dedicated lane, priority at crossings
I love these videos about the planning! Keep them up :)
Anyone else searching for Nandert in the comments
Do you know that Vermont Avenue is the one street in Los Angeles with the highest number of LA Metro Rail stations. There is Vermont/Athens station on the C Line (Green) within the I-105 Freeway. There is an E Line (Expo/Gold) station within Exposition Boulevard (Expo/Vermont station). At Wilshire Boulevard, there is the underground Wilshire/Vermont station within the B (Red) and D (Purple) subway lines. Then, the B Line subway runs along Vermont Avenue, with three additional stations at Beverly Boulevard (Vermont/Beverly station), Santa Monica Boulevard (Vermont/Santa Monica station), and Sunset Boulevard (Vermont/Sunset station). If LA Metro builds a Bus Rapid Transit line on Vermont Avenue, it should be called the R Line, with the color lavender assigned to the BRT line.
I like that LA Metro shows all the Vermont Expo and B Line Stations showing that, yes, rail exists in LA. I agree with you.
I think the best way to improve the Vermont Corridor would be consolidating and burying the USC and Vermont/Expo Stations. Instead of 2 at grade stations, there should be one larger underground station on the west side of the Vermont/Expo intersection. Still serving USC while also eliminating grade crossings.
LA Metro should also look to BART and install the 7 foot guard rail at stations to ensure riders pay for service. It hasn't stopped fare evasion but it's greatly slowed it. People seeing others pay for service makes them feel safer.
@@PASH3227Burying the E line Vermont station would require burying the Expo station as well because it's too close and the line already goes underground East of the Expo station where it turns onto Flower.
I'm sure they could design station access that would connect the Vermont E line station with an underground subway station. I believe they'll do something similar on the K and E line Crenshaw stations when the K line gets extended North underground.
Heavy Rain!!!!
Say Yes to Heavy Rail! 👏
I live in San Pedro, Los Angeles. I would love to see light rail come to San Pedro like it did to Long Beach. Which is why after they build BRT converted to light rail, please. and if you do use light rail, then you wouldn’t have to worry about tunneling underneath BNSF freight tracks all you would have to do is use the Vermont Bridge that goes above the BNSF freight tracks.
Honestly I hope LAMTA considers the B Line (Red) to be extended along Vermont Av as to not only avoid duplication of services North of Wilshire but also allow more opportunities for increased headways for both the B and D heavy rail lines. Fast, Frequent, and dedicated transit corridors should be priority and Vermont Av creates a perfect opportunity for this either via an elevated viaduct or via tunnels.
Please prioritize building the I-105, Paramount/Rosecrans, Bellflower, and Pioneer stations for the Southeast Gateway Line and have them open in 2029. Let's avoid wasting time by building stations north of the line where there are already A or C lines, and delay until 2035!
Elevated heavy rail to San Pedro! This corridor is a key north-south backbone of the city and should absolutely be served with a high capacity rapid transit. Tons of TOD opportunities as well.
train that somehow also connects silver lake and echo park plzzzzz
I drove down Sunset from DTLA to the Hollywood Blvd Sunset Junction. And I could easily picture a light rail line from Union Station or the A line down Sunset Blvd. The street is wide enough and there is very good density and need for a rail connection. And when it gets close to the Junction, it can go underground and connect to the B line at the Vermont/Sunset Station.
@@mrxman581 I picture it everyday I leave the house it's perfect for light rail
Saw the video title but thumbnail sure doesn't look like Vermont at all.
Light rail, please I want to see another light rail line, but please add crossing gates.
Red line to Long Beach! Let's stop playing footsie with transit and actually get something substantial done that we can be proud of.
100% Extend the Red (B) line south!!
It's about available funding. If they build a subway, it would take much longer than a light rail or BRT because subways are so much more expensive to build.
@@mrxman581 Not necessarily. South of Gage Ave there is a wide median, so elevated heavy rail is more than feasible here, which would be much cheaper and faster than tunneling.
Step 1: Bus lanes all the way. Planning and building: 1-2 years.
Step 2: Red line subway all the way down to like the PCH or to Anaheim street, and turn east to LBC.
@@AdamFaruqiMiles of elevated heavy rail will never happen in LA. Why? Because we are already surrounded by too many elevated concrete freeways. The last thing we need are smaller versions of concrete viaducts running over out streets to. That would be a disaster. We don't want to become Chicago.
An elevated line was proposed for the Wilshire corridor and soundly defeated. The sane thing happened for the second phase of the East LA E line. That's why some of the extension of the E line will run underground instead.
elevated heavy rail!
Pleasssseeeee just add in a subway or light rail that would be seperated from traffic
I would love to see more underground rail! However, I don't think Bus Rapid Transit is a good idea as they involve dedicated bus lanes which will cause a travel headache to those using the roads. I think we should be creating solutions that will benefit everyone in including those on the road. That's why I think underground rail is the best option for us! It will take cars off the road and provide more travel options while keeping our existing roadways congestion free instead of reducing the number of general use lanes because of bus lanes which will just bring back the congestion that was cleared in the first place!
Vermont Corridor should be underground rail, most of the avenue is too narrow to hold extra bus lanes.
Rail rail rail rail Rail rail rail rail Rail rail rail rail
train plzzz
Hollywood to USC would be amazing, i ride this every day, but please make it heavy rail. it takes forever to travel on the light rail, and it isn't that reliable
BUILD A SUBWAY LINE
I want to help Metro Community
Can you....can you just build it already?
Another bus lane is ridiculous. Underground or light rail now!
LRT or Underground will come
LIGHT RAIL
@@CityBuilder568 Underground since there won’t be no cars in the way
@@JermaniBurroughs well if it gets extended to San Pedro, they will have to deal with tunneling underneath BNSF freight tracks. Plus if Long Beach got Light Rail why can’t San Pedro get light rail?
@@JermaniBurroughs also underground will be more expensive than light rail
Please, elevated, electrified 100 mph max rail. Get people out of their cars. Let LA be an example of fixing America's public transit problem. Let it be better than what Switzerland has and hire some Swiss, Chinese, Japanese and French rail experts for advice. Let's do this right.
So, no construction?
They have to study each option to see which is the best.
Note that the timeline for this to be anything other than BRT is going to be ridiculous, considering funding issues and the many other projects ahead of this in the schedule. Maybe 2045 for LRT; maybe 2060 for heavy rail subway. Hence the subtle push for BRT, because that can be done relatively cheap and quickly, with rail going in a few decades from now.
The only way any form of rail could happen here any quicket is to cancel something else or to find a extra billion or two or five somewhere.
Rail could cost a 10th of the price and take a third of the time if the US wasn't f*ed
Make an elevated rail line above Vermont Avenue. Underground rail would work just as well, but it is way more difficult and expensive to build so. You could also make it underground north of Gage Avenue, and elevated south of Gage Avenue, since the old Pacific Electric ROW left a huge median on that part of Vermont, which is *perfect* for elevated rail.
CDMX would've built it by now
English please
Video is English???
MAKE HEAVY RAIL FOR GODS SAKE, PLEASE!
This should be heavy rail only. Anything else is a waste of money.
Heavy rail, subway would be too expensive build light rail light rail is cheaper.
Plus, heavy rail, Subway would also take much more time than it would to build light rail
Really, the only acceptable solution is Underground Heavy Rail
They have a whole median that they could build light rail and have crossing gates plus light rail is cheaper and would take less time than heavy rail
Metro should definitely seriously consider elevated rail. It's just as fast as a subway, but far, far more affordable and quicker to construct, plus it makes for a more pleasant ride, and modern elevated rail can actually fairly quiet, at the very least no louder than the traffic that currently clogs up Vermont today.
If they make it heavy rail, if they do eventually extend down towards San Pedro or towards Harbor city, they have to worry with BNSF freight tracks so to make it less cost-effective and not have to deal with BNSF they should build light rail then once they extend it, they could just put it on the bridge and they wouldn’t have to worry about BNSF.
Please stop investing in bus and put in rail or even better elevated rail on the corridor to bypass lights & traffic. LAX has an elevated people mover we are getting used to and will appreciate. So let’s keep going with the elevated rail theme throughout. Please ❤
They’re studying LRT or Heavy Rail after the BRT study
LIGHT RAIL
The B Line should continue down Vermont to the E Line. From Expo it should be BRT to the C line.
Anyways, heres a route idea
Number: 560
Start: Long Beach
Destination: Union station
Nicknames: The Long Beach fwy Express or the route 60 express
Via: I-110, I-10, and Harbor gateway transit Center
Arrival time: 20 to 40 mins if weekday 15 to 30 mins if weekend 20 to 30 mins if rush hour
Owl route: NONE
Bus service: 6:00AM to 11:00PM
Connections: Routes 910/950, 460, 550, 4X (not metro’s route), 60, 40, 33, 70, 76, 78, 720, FLYAWAY, dash B, A, and D, 232, 344, and R10 (Santa Monica’s route)
Release time (optional): late 2024 to middle 2025
Just make it a lightrail with light priority!
Please no LRT. The busiest bus corridor in the city can only be adequately served by heavy rail.
@@AdamFaruqi Good point! def would prefer that instead!
@@AdamFaruqiMuch less to build light rail. Grade separate some stations and certain line segments where it makes since and implement signal prioritization on the whole line. Will be faster to build and cheaper.
A subway to the C line could be doable too if LA Metro were able to get much more federal funding.
@@mrxman581 Joe Biden's infrastructure bill is opening up a TON of new funding for public transportation. But it depends on local transit agencies having specific plans on how they'll use federal funds. The sooner these projects are planned out and confirmed, the sooner we can get federal funding.
If it’s already in discussion how upgradable the BRT would be in the future, why not build the LRT in the first place.
Please no LRT. The busiest bus corridor in the city can only be adequately served by heavy rail.
@@AdamFaruqi agreed
Can Metro do something about a better job in CLEANING the trains cars and buses?. The constant smell of weed and culo is unbearable. Please do something about that.
That has improved noticeably since they added more cleaning crews 6 months ago.
Agreed. I try to take the trains but when I can smell the cars and passengers it makes the experience worse.
This video should be only in English, the official language of California. There is already Closed Captions for dozens of languages.
There is no official language for California.
@@mrxman581 English is the official language of California since the passage of Proposition 63 by voters in 1986. Proposition 63 was extremely popular, passing by a margin of 73 per cent to 27 per cent.
Prop 63 does not limit public agencies from doing outreach in other languages - and the Bilingual Services Act (1973) encourages outreach in other languages where makes sense.
Something like 38% of LA County residents speak Spanish, so....makes sense in this context.
no it doesnt
don't you hate it when a Mexican and black on the bus are talking smack to each other and then you walk on the bus and they start to make a scapegoat out of you
where were ambassadors last night??🤷♀🤷♀
If only Gardena 2 didn't run on Vermont and was in change of Metro. I would extend both Lines 204 and 754 for all trips to Harbor Gateway Transit Center to boost the transit connections even more. I would add Line 754 stops at El Segundo, Rosecrans, Redondo Beach, Gardena Bl, Artesia, and the final stop at the Transit Center. Stop at 120th St will be discontinued due to the close distance. Extra bus bays might have to be constructed to accommodate space for both lines. Regarding the BRT, I would like to see the Vermont BRT have a flyover bridge like the G Line (at Chatsworth Stn) from Artesia to HGTC.