@@MorrowMoon_thenightwing Fun Fact: Tomm Moere graduated from Ballyfermot College of Further Education. That same college also has an animation course set up by Sullivan Bluth Studios to train new artists. Sullivan Bluth Studios was founded by Don Bluth the director of Land Before Time and All Dogs go to Heaven. So there could be a possibility that Cartoon Saloon is the spiritual successor to Don Bluth??
Something I really loved about wolfwalkers was a tiny detail I noticed that they implemented. The linework. They use very clean and neat lines for the humans, specially when they’re being very close-minded or very controlled. On the other hand, the natural elements and the wolves have very sketchy very free lines that don’t even have the underlying shape-blocking sketches underneath fully erased. Robin is drawn with a mix of both at the start of the film when we see her being herself, and transitions to fully sketchy when she’s a wolfwalker. And her lines become a bit more clean when she works at the castle (I forgot the actual name they use lol). Basically the opposite happens with the Lord Protector, where he always has very neat and controlled linework up until his last scenes where he goes mad and has super messy and aggressively sketchy lines. It might’ve been super obvious but I just found it very interesting how they used such a small thing to add more life and meaning to the characters and scenes. Those who are afraid of thinking outside the box need clean and controlled lines. Those who embrace the beautiful imperfections get a beautifully sketchy linework.
I noticed this too! I was reading the graphic novel and noticed it. I didn’t notice it while watching the movie, and when I took a closer look, I saw it. It’s so amazing how the animators and people working on the film thought to put that in. I truly love Wolfwalkers, and always will.
@@Skittle1923 The directors were inspired by the rough, expressive animation of The Tale of the Princess Kaguya and the Xeroxed animation of One Hundred and One Dalmatians which preserved the pencilled art of the animators.
An aspect that might be in the "Grownup Scenes" is the lack of wolves in England, which could imply that the only one of The Kings hunters who knows about wolf hunting has spent years in Spain, Austria etc. so when we meet them the Goodfellowes share a home for the first time in their lives.
In real life, wolves became extinct in Ireland as well, and Cromwell, the “Lord Protector” in this movie, played a major part in that. I’m pretty sure this was the filmmaker’s way of flipping the bird to Ireland’s colonization (which was also a part of the main story as both Bill and Robyn weren’t exactly “welcome” by the local townsfolk, especially not the kids), as wolves, once so common in Ireland that the island, itself was once known as “Wolf-land” and was even referenced as such in one of Shakespeare’s works (don’t ask me which one, though), played an important role in Irish culture and folklore pre-British colonization, while at the same time having essentially immigrant protagonists, the Goodfellows, literally *become* one of them, despite Bill’s role at first, although I’m pretty sure Bill and Robyn never travelled abroad and Bill was *also* responsible to the wolves’ extermination in England at the time.
@@Kaikaifilu1994 Interesting, never knew that! And obviously we will not get "Generic Sequel" to this film but if we were, then the final clips of it could (!) suggest that all four of them have now found a professional niche as travellers to the tiniest out-of-the-way Irish villages, where they can 100% "remove" the wolf packs that suddenly sprung up.
Stories that have characters that lie to themselves are always very convincing and engaging. Some characters never believe their lie, others learn to find this lie, and some never realize it. Robin knows what she wants but her father's own unadmitted fears keep them trapped, meanwhile he is being kept captive by the one that is the true cause of these fears, Lord Protector. I think the Lord isn't only lying to the townspeople, but to himself aswell. He believes he is just, his faith is just, the Irish are the sinners and should be ruled by him, there are no mythical creatures. And him never unravelling his own lies takes him to his end.
I haven't seen wolfwalkers yet because I know I need to be in the right mindset. But the scene he talks about in the mythic moments section already made me tear up. I hope I can watch it soon
Probably one of the greatest animated movies ever made, even rivaling Miyazaki’s works in terms of both quality and storytelling while obviously being its own thing. I can hardly find anything inherently wrong with this film, and even if I did it’s so slight that it hardly ever takes away from the overall viewing experience.
If the each of the movies in the irish folklore trilogy would have a texture it would be the rough smoothness of a pergament for Kells, Baby seal fur for Song of the Sea and the crispy leaves for Wolfwakers
!!!!! Not at all the point of the video (which I found very compelling), but there's a drawing of Sarah and Jim Hawkins from Treasure Planet on Pietro's back wall!!!
It’s interesting how this interview mentions Jim Capobianco and his new movie The Inventor. I worked with Jim on his movie. Good director. Good artist.
He’s great and I got to chat with Jim about his writing process here on WFA. You can watch it here: ruclips.net/video/Rid_O2obiAY/видео.htmlsi=ix6UbAR02EtwZCj5
Part of the magic of Wolfwalkers, for me, is that it's a feminist film that's SO GOOD even the Anti-"Woke" Brigade can't find a word to say against it. What Western animation studio could manage that other than Cartoon Saloon? (See also: The Breadwinner.) We need more films like these.
As an Irish person, I’m obviously very proud that something to the scale and quality of Wolfwalkers or SoTS was made somewhere overrated like America or England, but a few hours away from me. But out of all the films, Wolfwalkers feels very hard to watch because despite it being literally and allegorically the Cromwellian takeover, it’s an English perspective that still gets catered to. It was such a let down + a super alienating part of the film and I always wondered why they chose this. If it were modern Ireland or Northern Ireland I’d understand this - I have friends that face interpersonal discrimination for being English. But 16th century Kilkenny isn’t really the situation to start “both sides”-ing in a story imo
I'll have to remember the rule of Stay on Tone. Very helpful. Something that's helped me is Bing AI images. I struggle with visually picturing things, for some reason. If I can put the ideas into AI and have AI show me what I'm thinking, it helps with tone. I also save songs that remind me of characters or look for songs to set the tone in the world. I'll take his advice to watch movies with the same feeling. Thanks! Do you have a community?
What's your favorite Cartoon Saloon's film?
Wolfwalkers
@@MorrowMoon_thenightwing Fun Fact: Tomm Moere graduated from Ballyfermot College of Further Education. That same college also has an animation course set up by Sullivan Bluth Studios to train new artists. Sullivan Bluth Studios was founded by Don Bluth the director of Land Before Time and All Dogs go to Heaven. So there could be a possibility that Cartoon Saloon is the spiritual successor to Don Bluth??
WolfWalkers for ever
Something I really loved about wolfwalkers was a tiny detail I noticed that they implemented. The linework. They use very clean and neat lines for the humans, specially when they’re being very close-minded or very controlled. On the other hand, the natural elements and the wolves have very sketchy very free lines that don’t even have the underlying shape-blocking sketches underneath fully erased. Robin is drawn with a mix of both at the start of the film when we see her being herself, and transitions to fully sketchy when she’s a wolfwalker. And her lines become a bit more clean when she works at the castle (I forgot the actual name they use lol). Basically the opposite happens with the Lord Protector, where he always has very neat and controlled linework up until his last scenes where he goes mad and has super messy and aggressively sketchy lines.
It might’ve been super obvious but I just found it very interesting how they used such a small thing to add more life and meaning to the characters and scenes. Those who are afraid of thinking outside the box need clean and controlled lines. Those who embrace the beautiful imperfections get a beautifully sketchy linework.
I noticed this too! I was reading the graphic novel and noticed it. I didn’t notice it while watching the movie, and when I took a closer look, I saw it. It’s so amazing how the animators and people working on the film thought to put that in. I truly love Wolfwalkers, and always will.
For the bare minimum of this I can recommend Mebhs circular hair and Robins triangular hood as visuals. Almost as if taken from "The Point" (1971)
@@Skittle1923 The directors were inspired by the rough, expressive animation of The Tale of the Princess Kaguya and the Xeroxed animation of One Hundred and One Dalmatians which preserved the pencilled art of the animators.
Song of the sea is and has always been my favorite movie since the day I saw it, glad it’s being appreciated alongside wolfwalkers too :D
It’s a wonderful film. 🦭
Wolfwalkers is an absolute masterpiece that deserves way more recognition
It is!!
An aspect that might be in the "Grownup Scenes" is the lack of wolves in England, which could imply that the only one of The Kings hunters who knows about wolf hunting has spent years in Spain, Austria etc. so when we meet them the Goodfellowes share a home for the first time in their lives.
In real life, wolves became extinct in Ireland as well, and Cromwell, the “Lord Protector” in this movie, played a major part in that.
I’m pretty sure this was the filmmaker’s way of flipping the bird to Ireland’s colonization (which was also a part of the main story as both Bill and Robyn weren’t exactly “welcome” by the local townsfolk, especially not the kids), as wolves, once so common in Ireland that the island, itself was once known as “Wolf-land” and was even referenced as such in one of Shakespeare’s works (don’t ask me which one, though), played an important role in Irish culture and folklore pre-British colonization, while at the same time having essentially immigrant protagonists, the Goodfellows, literally *become* one of them, despite Bill’s role at first, although I’m pretty sure Bill and Robyn never travelled abroad and Bill was *also* responsible to the wolves’ extermination in England at the time.
@@Kaikaifilu1994 Interesting, never knew that! And obviously we will not get "Generic Sequel" to this film but if we were, then the final clips of it could (!) suggest that all four of them have now found a professional niche as travellers to the tiniest out-of-the-way Irish villages, where they can 100% "remove" the wolf packs that suddenly sprung up.
Stories that have characters that lie to themselves are always very convincing and engaging. Some characters never believe their lie, others learn to find this lie, and some never realize it.
Robin knows what she wants but her father's own unadmitted fears keep them trapped, meanwhile he is being kept captive by the one that is the true cause of these fears, Lord Protector.
I think the Lord isn't only lying to the townspeople, but to himself aswell. He believes he is just, his faith is just, the Irish are the sinners and should be ruled by him, there are no mythical creatures. And him never unravelling his own lies takes him to his end.
Great observation, MillyKKItty, you’re absolutely right.
I haven't seen wolfwalkers yet because I know I need to be in the right mindset. But the scene he talks about in the mythic moments section already made me tear up. I hope I can watch it soon
You’re in for a treat :)
Probably one of the greatest animated movies ever made, even rivaling Miyazaki’s works in terms of both quality and storytelling while obviously being its own thing.
I can hardly find anything inherently wrong with this film, and even if I did it’s so slight that it hardly ever takes away from the overall viewing experience.
That’s a beautiful description. Should we create a video about one of Miyazaki’s films? Which one is your favorite?
@@writeforanimation ‘Mononoke’, by far.
That’s one of my favorites. Definitely top 3
If the each of the movies in the irish folklore trilogy would have a texture it would be the rough smoothness of a pergament for Kells, Baby seal fur for Song of the Sea and the crispy leaves for Wolfwakers
!!!!! Not at all the point of the video (which I found very compelling), but there's a drawing of Sarah and Jim Hawkins from Treasure Planet on Pietro's back wall!!!
And Hiccup, too!
Should we do a video on Treasure Planet?
This video is something that Disney NEEDS to watch nowadays and learn from Cartoon Saloon!
The larger the boat, the more difficult it is to steer
It’s interesting how this interview mentions Jim Capobianco and his new movie The Inventor.
I worked with Jim on his movie. Good director. Good artist.
He’s great and I got to chat with Jim about his writing process here on WFA. You can watch it here: ruclips.net/video/Rid_O2obiAY/видео.htmlsi=ix6UbAR02EtwZCj5
Don’t poor your heart out like that then. Put your heart into a story but don’t make the story your heart. Understand?
Stories can definitely leave you heartbroken.
For some reason I read the title as Wolfwankers.
🤣
Part of the magic of Wolfwalkers, for me, is that it's a feminist film that's SO GOOD even the Anti-"Woke" Brigade can't find a word to say against it. What Western animation studio could manage that other than Cartoon Saloon? (See also: The Breadwinner.)
We need more films like these.
and they say 2D animation is dead
That's what they say at the big studios.
As an Irish person, I’m obviously very proud that something to the scale and quality of Wolfwalkers or SoTS was made somewhere overrated like America or England, but a few hours away from me.
But out of all the films, Wolfwalkers feels very hard to watch because despite it being literally and allegorically the Cromwellian takeover, it’s an English perspective that still gets catered to. It was such a let down + a super alienating part of the film and I always wondered why they chose this. If it were modern Ireland or Northern Ireland I’d understand this - I have friends that face interpersonal discrimination for being English. But 16th century Kilkenny isn’t really the situation to start “both sides”-ing in a story imo
I'll have to remember the rule of Stay on Tone. Very helpful. Something that's helped me is Bing AI images. I struggle with visually picturing things, for some reason. If I can put the ideas into AI and have AI show me what I'm thinking, it helps with tone. I also save songs that remind me of characters or look for songs to set the tone in the world. I'll take his advice to watch movies with the same feeling. Thanks! Do you have a community?