6.5 Grendel vs 308: Not Close After All
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of the 6.5 Grendel to the 308 Winchester on 4 different targets. Each target is worth 25 points (winner takes all), for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 50 yards. Thanks for watching!
*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home!
6.5 Grendel: Nemo (PPU) 120 gr FMJ
308 WIN: S&B 147 gr FMJ
The attraction to the 6.5 Grendel and it's friends is that it fits the AR-15 Platform. The Ruger SFAR and a few other short frame AR10 offerings are changing the rules.
The SFAR is interesting. It actually has vent holes in the barrel extension
I found out Ruger was designing the SFAR about 6 months after I built an AR-10. I'll let you decide how it made me feel!
@@TykeMison_ There is that satisfaction of your own personal sweat equity. And you still have an AR10. That is definitely a good thing.
(“its friends” not “it’s friends” though)
@@TykeMison_well I opted to build out an AR-10 after considering the weight and price. Also to create something better than a ZEV AR-10. I basically came up with a slightly heavier build but much better barrel and parts. I wanted the SFAR but determined the adjustable gas and suppressing was not in my future at the time. So went for a quality build playing on sales to get what I wanted.
Now if they offered upper/lower build kits sets. I would have probably used their set. Some company needs to pioneer a new AR variant that has the updated lower design to fit large magazines. Maybe AR-10sf. SF being small frame.
The fact that the Grendal is even compared to the .308 is ridiculous. Nasty little round!
People thinking they are in the same universe are nuts
I think fudds are mixing up creedmore with grendel. “It dun say 6.5, it must dun be da same, duh”.
@@andrewallason4530 I’m afraid it’s worse than that. All these new gun owners heard “6.5 is the most efficient” or whatever. Truth is as of now there are very slippery bullets for every caliber and BC only goes up with size. 30 beats 7 bears 6.5. Penalty is recoil though. In this case though idk why they ever believed a cartridge with 60% of the powder cap could hang with something larger and higher pressures
But it's not. The Grendel has nearly the same trajectory and power that .308 delivers at long distances due to the better ballistic coefficient.
@@gurrenlagann114 so just a glance at the hornady black 123 eld-m data. It has a lower BC and it’s ~50 ft/sec slower than berger gold medal match. Needless to say energy isn’t very close either.
Watching your progression of Steel sleds is half of the fun in your videos. I really enjoy watching your videos. You are informative entertaining. Thanks for all of your hard work!
Grendel blasting ammo used to be hardly any more expensive than blasting 5.56... FJB. Hopefully PSA will add Grendel to their steel-case manufacturing lineup.
Grendel is an impressive cartridge because it has way more power and accuracy compared to 5.56 at all ranges and especially past about 300 yards, is more accurate (drop/windage) than standard 7.62 NATO after about 300 yards and has more retained energy past about 500 yards, and yet is comparable in size and weight to a 5.56 round and works in the AR-15 platform.
I wish I stocked up more when would 100 grain was I believe $.27/round in 2018. Bought an ar-10 because ammo now is much closer than it should be in price.
Would be interesting to do a comparison with 5.56 and 6.5 Grendel as far as wear, how many rounds can the AR-15 handle with a higher recoiling round.
@@jeff9062 I'd also be interested in the barrel wear. The numbers lean towards the grendel having greater life, as it maxxes pressure at 52k and sends typical 123gr bullets much slower than 55gr .223. Taking the weight down to 100gr in the grendel and comparing it to a 77gr 5.56 is probably a better comparison, speeds are much closer. I'm also not sure if there's any chrome lined grendel barrels.
People condus3 7.62 nato w 308 win
Anything is comparable but the Grendel is a much heavier cartridge 2x as much ammo weight.
30-06 vs 7.62x54r need to see your results for sure
Where the Grendel shines and its advantage is very noticeable over the . 308 is out past 300 meters. When using High BC bullets loaded into the correct brass capable of handling the load.
Yes. Muzzle velocity being equal (similar, anyway), you can expect .308 to penetrate better. Push it out 300, 400, 800 yards, and check the terminal performance. The expectation is that the two will be similar, with less drop from the Grendel. Both will outperform the crap out of 5.56 past 300 yards. Grendel is lighter than 308, operates from the AR15 platform, and gives you the same or better terminal performance at range. Sign me up. 6.5 Grendel for the win!
@@jimmyvollman7596 I don't see how this claim is still holding so strong. There is zero advantage to the Grendel ballistically, at any range
Unless you compare it to cheapo ball rounds. but then again, you could make a case for the 75gr BTHP in 5.56 outperforming a 90gr Grendel, too... but lets stick to fair comparisons.
Just looking at the hornady factory loads, what i see is:
123gr ELDM (.242 BC G7) @ 2580fps
168gr ELDM (.251 BC G7) @ 2700fps / 2840fps in the SF variety
So, the much heavier, more ballistically efficient projectile (with a tad higher sectional density even) comes out of the 308 at significantly higher velocity.
TLDR: 308 drops and drifts less at any range and if anything will widen the performance gap at range
@davidh9659 can't argue with the data. I prefer either the 308 or the Grendel to 55 or 62 gr 5.56 over 300 yards (and inside, while you're at it). My point is that 6.5 Grendel gives you 308-like performance out of an AR15 platform. It has saved me a lot of money vs investing in an AR10 style lower, upper receiver and all the large-frame trimmings. Swap uppers, and my 15 acts "like" a 308.
@@davidh9659 Hey there why not compare lapua data to .308 data. You're offering Commercial data which satisfies the Commercial manufacturers expenses and profits. Lapua is who you need to make your argument from
Not anymore. 6.5 Grendel case can't push the heavier higher bc bullets fast enough. With the 30 cal projectiles on the market today sierra match kings hornady etc etc the 308 narrows the gap to be nearly identical to 6.5 creedmoor
How about a 6.5 Grendel up against 6.8 spc, or 6 mm ARC
Yeah I'd really like to 6.5 grendel vs. ARC
6.8SPCII for the win
The 6.5 Grendel is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It punches way above its weight. That kind of performance up close or at 1200 yards out of an AR15 platform rifle is unbeatable. Obviously a .308 has more power at the muzzle, it has way more powder so this is more of a "how close can it get rather one vs the other".
True only at short ranges. The hype surrounding the Grendel is not translating into real world hunting results. Numbers do not tell
the whole game.
@@bliksemdonder5624 it's not a long range hunting cartridge but inside 500 yards, depending on the bullet, barrel length and powder, it's extremely effective. I wouldn't go past that yardage hunting with a .308/.30-06.
@@brandiwynterright on. The box of Barnes 115gr in my cabinet is below 1000 ft lbs at 230yds and below Barnes expansion fps recs by 350 out of a 16" barrel AR. I have had great success with it but if you want to shoot 500 yds ethically 6.5 is not your friend.
16" 6.5 grendel ar for deer is a sweet rig with barnes 115gr
@@ammoiscurrency5706 I agree, I have a 20" Grendel for target shooting and an 18" for targets and hunting but a 16" built specifically for deer and hog hunting is next.
Depends on your flavor I suppose, you can put that 6.5 in an AR platform with an upper swap without having an entirely new firearm. Ahh ... what the heck :) get both!
I like the 6.5 grendel for what it is but it's kinda a unfair test. The 308 is a better round but it's also fired from a ar 10 instead of a ar 15. Now I think a cool comparison would be a battle of the ar15 calibers. 5.56, 6.5 gren, 350 legend, so on and so on.
I wouldn't expect many normal rounds to compete with a .308. The Grendel did well for its size. Great channel.
Apples to oranges. The Grendel is certainly and excellent long range (not 338 Lapua range) round. In the early 2000s the M4 didn't cut it for long range for SF and they looked at other choices. Those bullets (6mm) were the most accurate, and the 7.62 hit the hardest.
Finally! A sandbox breakthrough! Lol.. You still need to design some kind of layered sand barrier to be able to measure depth/penetration
put single layer of paper every cm or so should work
Or maybe mix gelatin or water in with sand . If one of those holds up maybe he can use an optical scope which is a type of camera to view the cavity .
Let's see a 6mm Creedmoor vs 243 test!
6mm will win. I say this because the .243 barrels are usually a slower twist rate, limiting the weight of projectiles used. The other side of the conversation is that .243 is flying faster.
@@PureCountryof91I wouldn’t be so confident. Your putting sectional density above speed which in my observation/experience is not usually wise.
It seems to go in order of importance velocity, hardness of projectile material/construction and sectional density. If all else is equal then yes the higher SD will win. However velocity is a much bigger factor. Given the .243 had a bit more powder capacity I think the lighter bullets like the 58 grain stuff will do best. I mean I know the 58 grain will go though some level 3 plates especially if it’s brass solid.
Anyways I wouldn’t be so sure???
But then again sometimes SD can be surprising???
@@danielcurtis1434 I've been pursuing a .243 set-up. And have learned that most of the time you have a crappy BC on .243 with low grain weight. The 243 rifles have a 1:10 twist which has issues stabilizing 95-110 gr projectiles. However, I think 6mm loaded hot with a 90gr FMJ would provide the AP effects we're often seeking. And, retain accuracy over distance as well as energy.
@@PureCountryof91 Yeah personally I think the 6mm creedmore is too niche??? I’d rather have a faster twist barrel in .243 I would think???
I just feel the 6mm creedmore is really a hunting/target round whereas the .243 has that varmint/bigger game versatility. I just don’t understand wanting a 6mm that only shoots the heavier bullets???
I have never hunted and I’m a “complicated beginner”. So for me it would be a kinda varmint gun/plinking.
The creedmore makes tons of sense if you shoot long range I just don’t understand why you would give up powder capacity for that advantage? The 6.5mm has never been a varmint round (if you know why do tell) so I think 6.5 creedmore makes way way more sense for most applications.
The biggest factor for me is cost and availability. I’m insanely low income so I stick to affordable cartridges only. I almost got a 6.5 Grendel as my first AR upper, but then looking at the cost to feed it was an immediate no go. Plus AAC ammo makes some 75 grain OTMs that close the gap on the Grendel to a decent extent for $.65 a round.
not much difference in them if you shoot the same bullet. Been shooting 243 win long before any Creedmoor's existed. Have built 1 in 8 twist 243 and have shot 55 grain to105 grain. handloads can equal and beat any 6mm creedmoore velocity.
When I was looking into a long range semi-automatic rifle, I the factors that I used for choice were: maximum down range energy, low recoil & aftermarket options for the AR-15 platform. I did not consider the 6.5 Creedmoor, 243 Win or 308, since I would have to almost double my cost to build the rifle, the additional weight of the rifle & the overall reliability of the AR-10 vs AR-15. In the AR-15, the only round that comes close to the 6.5 Grendel, is the 224 Valkyrie, but the Val has less energy down range & the ammo is harder to find. I liked the 6.5 Grendel, so much that after building a long range 20" 6.5 Grendel, I am now building a lighter weight 18" as my main battle rifle & planning on purchasing a Howa bolt-action rifle, for better long range accuracy. I loved your video, because even though, I knew the 6.5 Grendel, had no chance against the 308, it was amazing to see just how well it did do. Against human sized targets, I think the results would be very close. The factors that were not mentioned, rifle weight, rifle cost & felt recoil, are the reasons I chose the 6.5 Grendel AR-15 over the 308 AR-10. My choice would have been much different, if I was a hunter or if I lived closer to big game. Thank you for showing just how well a 6.5 Grendel, does against the much more bigger & powerful 308, even if it isn't better in any of tests.
You could have just got an 18 inch 556 upper and run 77 grain 556 ammo and you can get out 800 👍🏼
@@ChrisEdling Yes, you are correct. 77 grainers are great to get more range & power out of a 5.56 AR-15. By the way, did you see this in my original post: " the factors that I used for choice were: maximum down range energy, low recoil & aftermarket options for the AR-15 platform"? The 6.5 Grendel has about twice the energy of the 77 grain 5.56 x 45 at that range. The 6.5 Grendel has the most long range punch of any AR-15 cartridge. Hitting is one thing, but stopping power is also very important to me. If I was using this firearm for punching paper only, the 224 Valkyrie is the best, as it has the smallest wind drift. I know every caliber is a compromise of one factor or another & there is no magic bullet, but for my purpose of use, the 6.5 Grendel is The King.
@@tilepusher stopping power isn't a thing dude. And at 800 yards 556 is still very much lethal. Doubt the bad guy or like a deer is gonna be able to tell the difference
@@ChrisEdling You win.
@tilepusher it's not about winning or loosing I just prefer the more obtainable cartridges
Im impressed by the speed of the Grendel. Remember it is also a low pressure cartridge (52k psi). Raise that boy to the classic 58k and it is pretty easy 800yards cartridge while being the same size of a 7.62x39 that is a 400yard cartridge.
Effective on paper only at long range. Real world use for hunting tells a different story.
6.5 grendel Vs 7.62*39 similar bullet weights and velocities.
The short fat AK round will never have the outstanding BC of the 6.5..
Long live Steel Sled 4.2!
Love your videos. Gives a good breakdown, on choice for ballistics. Everyone is going to have their own preference. But at least you give them comparisons to make choices. The humor is good too. Adds a little bit, too what would be boring otherwise.
Great shot-vs-shot comparison. Weight of about 250 rounds of each?
Estimate is about 8.5 - 9 pounds for 6.5 Grendel; about 14 - 15 pounds for 308 Win.
Thank you for always keeping it clean and enjoyable. Another awesome episode
You missed a grand innuendo opportunity with "that great big rubber" 😆🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for keeping us informed, entertained and laughing our *ssses off; you are one of the few who can accomplish this feat, and with ease 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
6.5 Grendel vs 7.62x39 same casing, same bullet weight, different caliber. That would be more competitive testing
People that ask for the comparisons of cartridges "in the same projectile weight" don't understand life.
People who comment to degraded others' questions don't understand life... its a perfectly good question. you are just a loser troll
All right, guru, keep comparing apples and oranges
@@vitaliyindikov721 wrong
Grendel is better than .308 at range due to its efficiency. Testing them at short range is daft.
I hunt hogs and deer with Grendel (Hornady SST) and have not had any need a second shot yet.
Sectional density and BC make a difference.
.308 is better from an availability standpoint. I'd argue there's better after-market support for it as well. Not many mag-manufacturers making 6.5 grendel mags. I have an AR-10 and (had) an AR-15 chambered in 6.5 grendel (it would never cycle properly) - now it's chambered in 7.62x39 :)
And both of these weren’t even in a FPS range you’d normally see.
Most 6.5 grendel is 20” barrel, like my own. For the added velocity from it.
Even my .308 is 20” barrel.
That’d add around 100-150fps minimum to each of these.
It wouldn’t make the 6.5 out do the 308 but it’d probably make the 6.5 go through that 3/8 steel or the 1/4” steel after the wood test Wich is crazy to think about really.
Not sure a dude has ever said the rubber makes it feel better. Was pretty sure the .308 was going to crush the 6.5 Grendel. Glad to see that the sand box was shrunk to where you can now have a winner on the sand box round.
The Grendel shines at distance. Less affected by wind than the . 308. Fits in a lighter platform and the round is lighter. Also, lighter recoil! In summary, similar punch, especially at distance with less weight and recoil. IMHO, a better balanced cartridge.
Common misconception. People keep comparing 145-150gr ball rounds or softpoints to the heavy ballistic tip Grendel loads. In the same way i could put a 180-220gr Berger Hybrid or 208gr ELDM in a 308 and say that it is less affected by wind than a 300WinMag, which technically is true if you run 150gr Softpoints in the latter...
Love your channel.❤ Simple, entertaining and informative. Your good mood is also contagious 😊
Love your channel and your crazy testing methods. Subbed and thumbed!
What makes the Grendel a stand out is your total ammo weight, platform size, CQB functional, and exceptional ballistics out to functional combat ranges that equal the 308. Wood, metal, and a Sand boxes do not compare to human targets. BTW the ammo you were using makes a very significant difference as well.
It out performs the 5.56 but fits the smaller AR platform. Not sure why anyone thought it would out perform the 308 though. That’s kinda like comparing a 22 magnum to the 22 hornet or the 5.56.
Would love a 7mm rem mag vs 300 win mag. Great video and have a Nice weekend from sweden 👍😊
THE highlight of your vids was deeply missed - your classic closing "don't let it drive YOUUUUUUUUUUU bananas"!!!! BRING THAT BACK PLEASE!!!!!
Good stuff! Fascinating test. BTW, PPU has a 6.5 Grendel 110gr FMJ, which would be fun to race against the .308 since it has more velocity than a 6.5mm 120gr.
Hi UK here. I would love to see penitration tests on bone. Shoulder blades would be ideal. Living in the US B i can't shoot anything better than a sub 12 lb air rifle. So i have to live my dreams through you guys.
Psycho. These materials give more than enough data on penetration.
Or, visit. Many of us are good friendly people, willing to share our stuff.
Paying off my loans and I'm there. Visited my grandfather in Florida once and everyone was really nice. Never met Florida man but I bet he's lovely too.
@@neverstop117 and apparently we have all the censorship you could want as well…you’d feel right at home.
@@goodbonezz1289 well I've had two 24 hour bans on YT this year so I'm used to that anyway. Brits invented political correctness. But the Yankees have taken it to a new level.
6 mm ARC is IMHO the most "impactful" round available for the AR-15 platform. I'd love to see Banana Ballistics test this cartridge. Thanks for all the greatness Brother.
- Godspeed
Have you heard of 6mm BR Norma?
Better numbers.
Yeah my uncle in Europe likes this cartridge, but you are forgetting the key words "for the AR-15 platform." Maybe a custom one of but they don't exist otherwise so no to sound like a jerk but your point is moot. Thanks.
- Godspeed @@5jjt
6arc vs 6.5g is a test I’d like to see
Agreed - Godspeed@@BombproofCraftsman
@@5jjt and my 6 dasher has better numbers than the BR. So what? You know what you can't do with BR or Dasher? Run them in a AR platform which is exactly what the ARC is designed to do. Smh.
I'm a huge fan of the grendel and I don't really like the 308. But I always tell people the the 308 is better inside 300 yards except for weight and recoil. But if you are hunting they both do about the same game at about the same distances. If you hand load 6.5 bullets are cheaper and you use 10-15 grains less powder, so each pound goes further.
Nice comparison. The Grendel did well for a smaller cartridge. I got my last 3 deer with my 20 inch BCA Grendel upper. 1@ 70 yards, 2& 175 yards. And a coyote at 30 yards. Good sub moa rifle. Can’t argue about the awesomeness of 308. Solid all around cartridge for most anything. Thanks for the video.
The best thing about the 6.5 Grendel Is it fits in the AR15 platform. Also with my handloads my 130 gr. ELD match bullet, and 29.7 gr. of shooters world match powder, I get a velocity of 2515 and 1800+ FPE. And that Is very close to a 308... Not a max 308 with a 200 gr. bullet !!! but the average 147/150 gr. bullet. I love this cartridge
Thats crazy talk Mr Banana radio voice man!
Thanks for the video.
I suspect that the 6.5 Grendel is just as expensive or more expensive than .308 Winchester because the .308 is a more popular round that has been popular for a long time. The ammo manufacturers probably have more lines set up for producing .308 Winchester and know that their stocks of this round won't sit around waiting to be sold. I suspect that the 6.5 Grendel would still do many things very well. If I were still in good health and working, I'd strongly consider getting rifles in both calibers.
NO WAY!!!! The .308 beat the box of sand, I didn't think anything could be the box. 🤣
No banana yellow spray paint? You disappoint me sir
Glad to see the 6x6" sand box instead of the 8x8"
6.5 is made to be a drop in exchange on the AR 15 platform. Gives you a heck of a lot more umph than the 5.56 mm. The 308 SFAR is nice and light but is beating itself to pieces after high round counts. Bottom line....my shoulder prefers the Grendel over the 308 and that's why it is my home defender out of a 12" barrel and my hunter out of a 20 inch. Cheers.
Well, I've seen a few in excess of 50k shots on SFAR 308 and they are doing just fine. Where did you hear that it was?
The average person will never get close to firing that many.
I think your making a bit of an assumption here.
@@Rogue-7.62 ok...50k shots? Seriously? If I am the one that is laying out the cash for something I'm shooting, you bet I am going to infer, not assume when I see with my own eyes guys getting pissed when walking away from the firing line with gas blocks coming away from the barrel after rocking a few mags of .308. Operator error? Perhaps. I fully realize that it is a rifle designed for 7.62 NATO but accommodates .308 Win. If weight is the issue, I'll get an AR 10 style pistol and suffer with the recoil or I'll keep rocking a 7.62 Bullpup. Bottom line, I like the 6.5 Grendel for what I'm using it for and if I want to reach out I'll pull out the M21 clone that was designed and tuned for .308. Enjoy your weekend.
@@lutherpayne9957 just saying, there have been a few who have pushed them out to 50k+ rounds as a test with no issues. Speaking of the PoF rifles. PoF is currently having quality issues, but to say all the SFAR's are beating themselves to death, is just wrong and is a tad presumptive.
The M21 / M14 clones from Fulton Armory and the FAL's are pretty nice 308's as well. Have had both. Currently have a PoF Rogue with nearly 3k rounds downrange and zero flaws. Very lucky when considering the issues people are having right now with feeding / cycling issues with that brand. Apparently many left the factory with the incorrect length recoil spring installed.
So much for PoF and their so called 10 round test fires with each rifle. That issue would have been caught. I bought mine and replaced the spring with a Geisselle one before ever firing it the first time.
Who shoots a 6.5 Grendel out of a 16" barrel? The advantage of the Grendel comes with longer barrels to equal or pass the speed of the 308.
My Grendel does just what I want it to do, without the extra weight, or added recoil, though. If we are being totally honest, if the shit DOES hit the proverbial fan, not many of us are going to be aiming center mass and trying to defeat body armor plates when the faces of our foes are not so well protected. Still, great video as always, sir.
Great videos! Keep the comedy up, it makes the videos even better! 👍🤣🤣
6.5 Grendel vs 6 ARC test!
OK for all you ballistics nerds! Ballistics nerds only! there is an effect that has been ignored in most if not all ballistics channels it's called a forcing cone. When a projectile hits a static object it dispels force in a cone shaped dispersion. and as the object slows the projectile the diameter of the cone shrinks in proportion to the density of the projectile and the density of the object it strikes. now get out our calculators and go to work on that. You know the ballistic data before it strikes the object and I have given you a rough set of data to use after it strikes the target. It is the key to ending all debates about cartridge diversity and which one works better for what.
Nicely done.
Question...
Now that bear creek arsenal makes a 6mm arc upper...
Can we see a test in the future?
I think the block.of lumber must've been denser this time around, because in the shoot off with the 6.5 Creedmoor both bullets retained enough energy to punch through that steel plate after traversing the block.
Using a rubber is always important for safety when practicing penetration
Impressive. I did not expect the 6.5 to match the 308 so close. Sticking with my beloved 308, but I would love to see 6.5 test against 300blk or similar length cartridges.
6.5 grendel would smoke 300 blackout in these tests. The advantage(s) of the blackout are in versatility and parts compatability. Grendel is fantastic for a AR-15 in terms of penetration, projectile weight and BC, and as a medium distance hunting cartrige for the platform.
Only advantage for 300blk is subsonics.
So close? Lol
I don’t think so about “so close”
@@Mr_Dopeyshort barrel supersonic performance, subsonics, and parts comparability. Just totally different roles
I enjoy the way you do your videos, and yes another great video
I'm doing a 6.5 Grendel build first because I already have a finished .556 lower.. so.. an upper will certainly be much less than a .308 full rifle..
I will pick up an M5 lower one of these days
Looking to get my daughter a 6.5 grendel for her 1st hunting rifle. Thanks for the video
Built one that both of my boys shared from 5 yrs old both graduated to .308 . 12 deer were dropped during this time. Great first deer rifle.
Dumb request. 300 blk ( 147gr +/- supers only, 16 barrel) vs .308 ( same grain weight, also 16in barrel )
Always a good production! love the sound tracks and the humor. Do you mix that yourself or do you use a pay or free use track company? I would love to know who if you don;t mind sharing. Great music. The 6.5 vs the .308 is just what I wanted to see again. Perfect. I think the 6.5 betters itself with a 18 in barrel but still it would not beat out the venerable .308 . It was great to see how well it did with the 16 in. I am looking forward to acquiring a additional upper and bolt group for the AR as well as a bolt gun for this round. Thanks again🙂
Missed the "It's TIME to GRIND!" on this one. But really, ALWAYS enjoy the Banana Ballistics videos.
of course awesome video again man have you thought about making a video on copper bullets maybe underwood,Fort Scotts TUI ect
I shoot both of these cartridges. Head-to-head comparing them isn't really a fair comparison. .308 is a much more powerful round. Grendel is small, lighter, and fires from smaller, lighter rifles (in general). It's not meant to deliver as much impact. A more interesting comparison would be Grendel vs 7.62x39. As far as price comparison, that's just supply and demand. Grendel is far less common, so it's costly. I reload, and Grendel is cheaper that way (less powder per shot). It's the Grendel brass that's expensive.
By far you are the most entertaining in this genre.
The optimal barrel length for the Grendel is 20". That's probably why your velocities were significantly lower.
Mosin nagant rifle
LPS Military cartridges. ❤💯.
I always wait for the Midway USA plug 😂😂😂. I shop with them all the time though I really do like that website
Did he say they had everything Farm related!? 😅
@@chrissewell1608 🤣 yup
I like your style, son.
I'd like to see some comparisons past 300 yards. I think the results would be closer.
The 308 is the Zombie apocalypse, round!LOL
But seriously, have you ever compared to 308 with a 30-30 Winchester ! First time catching your channel, so I don’t know if you have.
Id like to see a same caliber bolt vs semi auto comparison. Id like to see same barrel lenths as well. See if there is any different in velocities or penetration due to the action only.
Voting for some tests on the PRC calibers! Not much info and i was shocked 😳 you havent tested any
Curious, do you wear sunglasses to hide cover your closed eyes when pulling the trigger? 😂
Love the content. 6 is better than 8 with the sand box. I've been thinking 8 is too much sand, too.
Cool tests! Always fun to watch!
Your channel is definitely growing! ❤ It won't be long until you reach 100k subs! 🎈🥳🎈
Good tests! I still think your sand tests could be better. Maybe layers separated by cardboard? This first layer has got to be 4 inches minimum. Then cardboard separation then 2 inch increments of sand? Make sure you have screen and a box under to catch the sand. Recycle and save money. That will show your shrapnel too.
I figure I should shut up until I start sending you some $$$. 🤔
Do a Beowulf vs Grendel like it should be
Build some plexi or carbonate shields for your gopros. Nothing fancy. just something to hold a 4 X 4 in. piece.
I thought about a 6.5 Grendel, because of the shirt action compatibility, especially in an AR style platform, but really it feels to specific and not as versatile as something like the .308.
To mix it up a bit I'll quote Carol Shelby of Cobra Car fame. "There isn't any substitute for cubic inches".
Build a slotted stand to hold a sheet of lexan or similar in front of your camera. I know you have probably already thought of this, but just in case.
I feel let down. I was waiting for it to be time to grrrrind! 😂
Do the same test at 400 yards. I know, it's a PITA to make said hits but the gap between them lessens significantly.
The 6.5 was designed to maximize the AR15s potential and aside from the 6mm ARC it is hands down the best long range commercial AR15 cartridge out there. The 224 valkyrie was supposed to beat it but that cartridge is all but dead now due to massive accuracy a stability problems....
That said the grendel duplicates the 308s trajectory fairly closely.
That just depends on the bullet in the 308. Everyone packs on the 308 because of the 168 smk. Put a 168 or 185 berger in it and they aren’t close
@@K-bob_45 actually the 308 with a 175 SMK is dead nuts on trajectory wise with the 6.5 grendel with the 123 ELD-M.
I own and reload both.
@@K-bob_45 also the author used 147gr pills in the 308. Those things have the BC of a cinder block and the 6.5G absolutrly would curb stomp the 308 using 147s after 400 yards
@@steve390gold yeah and one of those bullets was cutting edge in 1995. Again, try a 169 smk. Something more recent. It’s not close.
Would like to see a 20 or 22 inch 6.5 Grendel test
You should do one with 6mm MAX vs 5.56; your choice on bullet composition
The 6.5mm cartridges shine at around 600 to 800 metres.
308 loses energy faster, 6.5mm retains more energy longer. All this because of bullet design.
Up close, naturally the heavier 308 bullets backed by bigger powder charge will outshine 6.5mm.
It's a no-brainer.
In the short range the 308 is marginally better than the 6.5 Grendel in the Long range the 6.5 Grendel is a much better cartridge. Also you not comparing apples to apples. The 6.5 Grendel has a 39mm cartridge and the 308 has a 51mm cartridge and the amount of powder is way different a more accurate test would be the 6.5 Grendel up against the 7.62x39mm cartridge. That is a way better comparison of apples to apples.
6.5 grendal and 308 win, inches ballistics arc I do believe that they are a very close side by side
For muzzle energy, no comparison between the 2
As always a good comparison, but I think the results would be a lot more objective if you were to shoot three round groups on each target with each round
6.5 Grendel is an true intermediate sized cartridge and should be compared to other intermediate sized cartridges such as 5.56x39 and 7.62x39 for a more accurate assessment. The advantages that it has over 308/7.62x51 are size, weight, recoil, and better trajectory at longer ranges. The tests in this video did not weigh in on any of these. I’m just surprised how well it actually performed vs 308.
A friend of mine tried my Savage 10FCM Scout rifle and determined .308 had too much recoil for his taste. After some research he introduced me to the Ranger Carbine concept. Sorry 5.56ers! Even the Ranger Carbine guys have no sympathy for the .22 caliber poodle shooter! The Ranger Carbine specifies 7.62X 39, 300 Blackout, or 6.5 Grendel. He was quite content with his Ruger All American Ranger Carbine in 6.5 until he tried my new Savage 110 Scout with a muzzle brake. He exclaimed "I could have had a .308!"
308 just broke the tape
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Nobody ever claimed that the 6.5 grendel was more powerful at all ranges than .308. The purpose of the round was that it was more powerful at the muzzle than a 5.56, and more powerful than the .308 at long range (beyond about 800m) all in the AR15 sized chassis. Testing 6.5 v .308 at very short range is apples to oranges.
Sand Block 2.0 looking great! Might be a slightly more expensive test than the 1.0 however
Would love to see this comparison with some 140 gr Grendel. Speer has loading data and I firmly believe it hits as hard as my 180 gr .308s.
Kepp doing what you're doing; loving it!!
I would love to see this data as it defies logic and everything i know about ballistics.
No the 6.5 does not "hit as hard" as the 308. Energy of the 308 is much higher.
Could you do .22tcm vs 5.7 vs .22 mag vs 762x25 tok ?!
Great video, thanks for that. Keep them coming, you earn yourself new subscriber from Europe. Any chance of comparing 6.5x47 Lapua vs .308?
You're missing the point: 6.5 Grendel has never been expected to match the .308's penetration power, the point is that you can use 6.5 G to reach out to the 1000 yd mark like a .308 with an AR-15 that otherwise runs out of steam long before that. It's a target shooting thing, not target destruction thing...
Still prefer 6.5 Grendel because it’s a lighter cartridge that fits into a lighter rifle. Absolutely nothing to sneeze at for hunting purposes either
Thank you.
Cool video 👍