With all due respect to the Baroness, this is not an apples to apples situation. The ill person in question WANTS to die. She was of sound mind. She couldn't do it herself so she had her mum help her. That's not murder, that's mercy. And it's dying with dignity.
There is a video on you tube here and its of an elderly man who wants to pass on but don't know how hes in a right state of mentality and its really sad but they have I think a person of the law there to make sure that this is what he want to do and it is an assisted suicide but they showed him how to inject the stuff that was to kill him but they told him that he has to do it on his own that family or friends couldn't do it its so sad to watch but it was his decision and with the mother helping her daughter in this way and fulfilling her wish to pass on, shes shouldn't have gotten into trouble in the way that she did
Suicide is the cowardly way out. You people love life so much, you take in everything that comes with it including suffering and death! This is the game you breeders chose to play!
@@SumDumGai5 "Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain.” It's not a cowards way out at all. when one is so physically overwhelmed they cannot deal with pain anymore they should have the right to make the choice, provided they have capacity to make that decision and provided their prognosis is terminal to start with. Only a person completely lacking in compassion and empathy would compel one to end their life in pain and distress..
My 33 yro niece died a horrible death. Diagnosed with ovarian cancer at age 29, her life was taken in the cruelest of ways. I was with her when she died. I would have done the same as this mother if I had been asked to. Life is the beauty, death is the beast.
I am so sorry for your loss! And I agree... my mom was diagnosed with ovarian and peritoneal cancer two months ago. The illness has taken everything away from her and it will take her life at some point. I would understand if she wanted to die on her own terms and in dignity - I would probably help her find a way to do it. We put animals down when they are suffering... why aren't humans allowed to choose that for themselves?
@@laurajael21 I am sorry you and your mom are going through this. I took care of my mom until she died, and I was only 19. I will say I did everything I could, the way she wanted things. But she wasn't allowed to make such a choice. I still miss her and still wish it was a different outcome, and it's been 20 years already. I don't understand the medical field's opinion that is was OK to keep her drugged up to the point of feeling as comfortable as possible, but it's not ok to have a dignified death. She used to ask me all the time to help her and to let her go, but I was scared of being without her, and also scared of what consequences I would face. It really is horrible. I think she was right, she said "what is the point of prolonging your time, but not being able to actually live in that time?". I hope you and your mom are doing as good as you possibly can, and just know I sincerely salute you. It's no small feat, going through something so profound. 💖
I strongly believe that people with a terminal illness should have the choice as to how they die. Give them that last bit of dignity. Dragging out a painful illness can be cruel. This mother gave her daughter the last choice she would ever have over her life and it was an act of love. She watched her daughter suffer for years and allowed her end her life peacefully.
I live with chronic and acute pain. I agree that if it continues to a point I can no longer live with it, I should be able to make that choice. What better way is there to die with your loved ones surrounding you. If they have to assist me in that goal, they should NEVER face charges for it.
Seriously? She stated many times she wanted to die. Others heard it. Her Mom loved her. She was doing what she felt was best. The Mom did not kill her daughter selfishly. My heart aches for her!
@@daniellemorales7260 Perhaps not legal, but it should be an option in some way or another. It's selfish to allow people suffer unbearably like this because of ridiculous human beliefs and laws, or some imaginary ''God''.
Raina Mermaid that is true but in Belgium amd Holland Euthanaisa is done for ill children.Which is not right bec children can be influenced by others opinions.What if its just a matter if time until that right is abused to get rid of disabled or eledery people? In Germany this is part if their history in the third Reich.I would NEVER charge someone like Lynns Mother but its a very though question.I have the same disease as Lynn and am bedbound too,so i really understand,but I think we could do with more funding and advances in treatment for late stage ilnesses to take the suffering away from these poor people.
Kazynski except it has only been done on terminally ill children who were suffering. I dont particularly like the idea of it being used on people under the age of 18 but I’m sure it’s not an easy process to get approved for. I don’t believe anyone should be forced to suffer till they eventually die. Since it’s such a hard process to get approved it’s hard to believe it’s going to turn into eugenics.
@@ashleynault4968 I see your point,I just dont want what has happened back in the 30ies in Germany! it happened long before they put the jews in the camps.They killed children and adults who were slightly mentally impaired and others who were physically impaired.The same could happen again.theres a thin line between ending the suffering and ending the lives of people WE think have no Quality of Life.
@@StartFromScratch1 it would be very hard for things to get that bad again, given that its really easy for info to spread online. Most medical things this serious go through a lot of paper work and having it be legal would help doctors regulate how things like this are done Something that can happen are things like this being done at home when someone is desperate only for someone to get hurt but not die, or take a long time to die- which could be very terrifying
She gave her daughter peace. She's no longer in pain. And you could see how much she loved her daughter so much to let her go. That's a mother's love. She's knew when her daughter needed to leave
I think this should be considered a form of “dying with dignity”. It’s a process well known in the medical community for a person who is mentally capable of understanding the impact of that decision and is in immense pain and/or suffering. The daughter had clearly told multiple people that she was ready to move on. And so her mother assisted her in that process. I imagine she felt so much safer with her than what she would have in a hospital slowly fading away
So many parents go to anything to help their children survive no matter how much suffering the child has to go through. They are doing it for themselves, because of the selfish desires they have not what is best for the child. When someone has no hope for survival, why put them through more treatments, more pain because YOU don't want to "lose" them? Death is a normal part of life regardless of the age it occurs.
I agree with the mom and daughter only cause the "medical community" you so speak of is near brain dead and unhelpful when people have serious and rare conditions
As a nurse, I have watched human beings in horrific pain. I have been asked or begged to help them die. Due to laws, I could and would not assist them. As a fellow human being it was a very hard thing to deny them and had they been someone I loved, I do not know if I would deny them. We compassionately ease animals suffering when they are terminal but we will not show that same compassion to a fellow human being. I do not understand this.
I'm a psychiatric nurse and worked hospice cases for almost 10 yrs. I've seen the most horrific cases, where did wouldn't even increase the morphine for fear of addiction....addiction, when a person is dying slowly in increasing pain with every breath, it made me sick. I did my best to help my patients within my guidelines but having my own debilitating disease with no cure, I understood their dilemma. I'm at the point , 48 yrs of Crohns, where it has spread and my pain is constant. I'm not ready to go yet, but I won't wait to expect my children to end my pain. I want to do it myself should I get to the point where the pain couldn't be alleviated. There are times im for this assisted death, but many could use that for gain so I have my doubts Too many suffer for too long, and truly we don't allow that suffering with our pets, so why with our humans do we allow such torture?
@@sicilyny5375 there is nothing to gain from a dead consumer. These regulations we are faced with today have surely been the result of lobbying by the medical industry because a bed ridden person is profitable. Even when it's funded by our tax dollars, it's at a profit for those corporations and their stockholders.
@@sicilyny5375 I've thought why not just head to the street dealers before they lock me down in a hospital or nursing home. Sounds like a heroin overdose is a pleasant way to go, or today apparently you can just rub fentanyl on your skin and go down.
@@sicilyny5375 that’s insane. I have lupus and lymphoma and am still always in a battle with the drs about pain management. Since I’m 26 they believe I have too high of a risk and are often hesitant to treat my pain and symptoms. At first they didn’t believe anything was wrong and called it down to “anxiety” such a frustrating process just to live. I’ve never had any prior addictions so their concern is based off of themselves looking badly as drs. It should be case by case and not a general consensus. Just my opinion. I know so many others who have the same predicament and it’s heartbreaking to know so many suffer at the hands of the medical professionals.
That's unusual. I work hospice and when a person is actively dying we are very generous with morphine. Even families that administer it are told they can increase dose/ duration of time during those stages. It helps speed up the process. No one is worried about addiction during active stages of dying.
When my 86 yo grandma was diagnosed with bone cancer everywhere... I watched her go from an active happy woman to a bed ridden person living in misery. This woman did what she did out of love at her own peril. I cannot imagine how difficult it must've been.
The disabled attorney is WRONG she is speaking from her own fears, projection.. this mother is strong and loving and didn't want her daughter to die. My heart breaks for the whole family.
The disabled attorney was in another doctor where a mother was (i could be explaining this wrong) stopping her physically disabled son from growing so that he would be the size of a child the rest of his life so she could care for him easily than if he grew into a man. The attorney was projecting there too
@@breonawarren1507 I saw that documentary. The attorney thought it would be better someone lives in a nursing home being moved around with mechanical lifts than being cared for by a family who loves them.
My dad lived w/lung and colon cancer 6 yrs. He WANTED to die vs. WAITING IN PAIN!!! He actually did load a pistol; I was home alone w/him while my mom was at the hospital trying to get him re admitted. He did go back to the hospital and...WAITED, I THOUGHT THAT WAS CRUEL beyond reason! It's...just...CRUEL IMO!
If we let our pets suffer we would be charged with animal abuse, yet somehow it's okay for our loved ones to suffer.. nah i don't agree with that. it's cruel to keep someone alive when all they do is suffer & in excruciating.. pain.
I run the channel Dying With Dignity. I am chronically ill and at some stage will be terminal. My family is going to take me to Belgium or Switzerland to help me die. God bless you Kaye, what a wonderful mother and incredibly strong woman.
I'd love to follow your channel. I totally believe in dying with dignity. I also know my family wouldn't go along with it. Sadly if I was in that situation. I'd have to leave this world with a a friend by my side.
Following Kay Gilderdale's acquittal, the judge made a statement praising the jury. Mr Justice Bean remarked: "I do not normally comment on the verdicts of juries but in this case their decision, if I may say so, shows that common sense, decency and humanity which makes jury trials so important in a case of this kind.
That baroness was born into privilege, she shouldn’t have any weight into this topic since she has availability to top medical and home care. I have muscular dystrophy and always worry about what will happen if there’s a time I can’t handle the pain everyday anymore... my husband and I have talked and if it happens we’ll move to a state where I can have control over MY LIFE!
I have progressive MD as well.....I make it very clear I will NOT go into a nursing home and my children will not give up their lives for me. That isn't depression...that is REALITY.
That's sounds very great for you, I think it's right for us to make the choices we want about our own bodies.. and I wish that you'll never have to endure pain to that point.
Imagine living in the US where people have no access to medical care. Some people go to Emergency Departments and get themselves into massive debt for small things like strep throat, colds, and other minor illnesses. If you have a chronic illness though, and no medical insurance, you can die. There are people who qualify for Medicaid and Medicare, but there are many that have access to nothing. It's horrible especially considering we are a developed country.
The Baroness keeps saying that the consequences of making certain circumstances acceptable to end a human's pain and suffering and allow them to die with dignity are "far worse" but she never gives one good example.
This mother gave her daughter the Most Beautiful Gift, TO DIE WITH DIGNITY. I've been my husband's Caregiver for 28 years with No help from h8s Family or his Homecare Agency. I would help him if he asked, it's a gift being a Caregiver to a spouse or anyone for this long.
People shouldn’t point the finger and judge nobody knows what they would do unless they were in that situation.. I wouldn’t like to see anyone I loved so much suffer and be in so so much pain with no quality of life . She’s obviously a very very loving mother
@@SumDumGai5 how is she selfish...? she nursed her own daughter...she wanted her daughter to stay alive but she did what was best for her...thats selfless not selfish...
We all should be given such choice it is easy to say “keep going” when you aren’t waking in said person’s shoes. There are far too many travesties in this world. Like this unbelievably strong mom said, I don’t have the right to force her to stay and suffer. She is the epitome of what love compassion and understanding is
Agree with all, the mom made an extremely difficult and courageous decision. I totally understand, she had to do it because she didn't have the choice at a local clinic. People shouldn't have to travel to switzerland to get this basic personal need met, "the right to die with dignity".
For once,it's lovely to see so many people being so understanding and empathetic to someone's situation. No judgement. I can't imagine being in this position and if I was I'd have done the same. Rip beautiful lady.
I think suicide and illness sucide is different, who is healthy and giving up life and suicide is the weaked person. illness and falling apart of body and in pain wanted to die is acceptable.
What strikes me about this documentary is her striking honesty. Put in an impossible situation, her daughters choice vs. her choice vs. ethics vs law, she is still calmly and rationally honest!
I have Multiple Sclerosis, Cardiomyopathy, Degenerative Disc Disease and am now on a pain pump and an ICD. I started this personal nightmare at the age of 35. I am now 52 and have a right knee replacement scheduled July 23 due to extreme osteoarthritis. Bone on bone. My left knee and both hips after that. When will I be allowed to make my own decision about when I can stand no more pain??
Gwyn Meade I’m so sorry and I completely understand were you are coming from. I’m in pain day and night. I also have many diseases that are life long and in the end will be fatal. There is no cure. I’m disabled from it and can’t work. No surgeries can be done on me because I have so many blood clots all over my body and the doctors are afraid they will move and kill me. So here I sit day and night in pain with no options in sight. So I just wanted to tell you I understand and you are in my prayers.
My whole point is this: I was studying to be a doctor when life pulled the rug out from under my feet. I know this much- just as it's a mechanic's job to keep a piece of machinery running, it is also a doctor's job to keep the patient alive. I am so tired of being the guinea pig that is subjected to the trials and test medications that I find difficulty in realizing the point of it all. Instead of becoming a professional physician, I've become a professional patient. This occupation is unacceptable to me as well as countless friends who have the same issues as I have. We want the right to determine the mode, method, and time of our own departure without having the worry of our loved ones potentially facing criminal charges simply for loving us enough to assist if necessary.
I am alone and virtually bedridden with this absolutely brutal illness, chronic fatigue syndrome. The word fatigue not come close to the multitude of debilitating and torturous symptoms we experience when this severe. I totally understand why this young woman wanted to leave, and my heart absolutely goes out to her wonderful and compassionate mother.
I’m sorry to hear about what you are fighting through. I hope many blessings come your way. You are strong and you can absolutely do this. Sending love and strength your way. You are never alone. ❤️❤️
I am so sorry I am alone and have autism and can't communicate with anyone and get torture headaches that feel like my brains are going to blast out of my skull so I know what it feels like to want to leave too I REALLY admire her wonderful and compassionate mother as well!
The life her daughter was torture so extreme it would violate human rights laws if it was caused by another person. Her mother displayed incredible mercy and compassion. No one deserves to endure that just to comfort healthy people who cant relate.
What an absolutely beautiful mother and daughter. They were both so brave, and there's no way the love between them can be denied. I would hope my mother would be as selfless if I were ever in the same position.
Not many parents could put aside their own desires for their child like this… my mother has told me point blank when I asked her in my urgent care room, that she wants me to stay alive for her no matter how unbearable my suffering gets… been trying to convince / prepare my parents for over a year now. My dad does agree it is no life just to live for others’. Maybe if there was a legal framework it’d be easier for them to accept.
The thing about assisted suicide in cases like this is that it is the ultimate act of compassion, empathy, and BELIEVING someone in their pain. This woman was suffering intensely, she spent more of her life bedridden than not.
It's the greatest act of love and humanity. You will never convince me otherwise. To willingly walk into that emptiness, loss, grief, and pain just to ease the pain of another person is our ultimate humanity.
I live in terrible chronic pain. I think about this. I fight for my love of my mom. It’s been a long year since I posted this. Things are worse I’m sad I wake up
Pamela Raney ....I am so sorry you are in constant pain ! You are in my prayers and I am sending you love, light and healing energy 🕊 Stay strong, you are not alone ☺️🙋🏻♀️
Chrissie Carr thank you. I am blessed with a wonderful mom myself like this girl. The Cleveland Clinic saved me. They have a specialty program for chronic pain and it’s saved my life. Opioids don’t work for chronic pain but a large group of psychiatric medications do. Thank you for caring 😊
@@pamelaraney4654 i can understand you completely. I'm also living with a chronic pain due to a rare health condition with no cure, yet. My mother is my backbone, i don't think I would have ever survived this agony without her love and support.. She and my wonderful aunties are the sunshine of my life ❤️ I wish you and your dear mother all the happiness and love 💝
Another ME sufferer here.Had it 18 years and I can't count the amount of times I've thought of suicide.i keep going for my boyfriend and sister. To be so ill and get no help at all is brutal.Lynn's story is well known in the ME circles I think of her often.
Hi there, I know this comment is from a year ago, but I just felt compelled to reply. I don’t wanna blab on too much, but I have worked in care homes with people seriously suffering and it has had a severely traumatic toll on me in the past. I even had to leave a previous job a few years ago, because of how paranoid and depressed I was. Seeing human beings in awful conditions completely broke me. This is why to this day I am pro euthanasia. I was just thinking earlier, that I would love to meet kay gilderdale. Unfortunately, i’m unsure of anyway to make that possible. Or rather to be able to meet people suffering with this illness. I would just like to make it clear that I am not an ME sufferer myself, I am just passionate about human rights and can’t bear to see people suffer. I am very lucky to not have any physical disabilities. Although I do suffer with bpd (mental illness) I would love to be of help to people suffering. I have dealt with loneliness for the vast majority of my life. I can’t imagine how much worse and isolating it must be for someone who has a disability. Please feel free to message me if you would like :) Best wishes x
I know this isn’t the same. But my dad had a stroke and many other issues. He was brain dead and there was no hope of recovery. My sister and I chose to pull the plug. It was the hardest decision we’ve ever had to make. It was hard to watch him slowly die. He lasted longer then any of us expected. There is no doubt in my mind that we made the right decision. I think it should be legal for assisted suicide.
I'm so sorry for you & your sisters loss!!!! May God bring you comfort & peace!!! And in actuality, to me, it's not too different...IMO you & your sister had to make the choice or decision to end your fathers pain & suffering...So I don't see it as being all that different, sure it's different illnesses or health issues, but ultimately in both circumstances the choice of ending ones life had to be made...I have also told my family to do the same thing, I NEVER want to be kept alive by any machines!!!! I'm sure your father is at peace in Heaven & watching over you & your sister!!!! God bless both of you!!!!
@@pamelafrye4667 thank you for your kindness. I remember a couple of days before he has his stroke. I went into his room to feed him breakfast. I said good morning dad I’m her to give you breakfast. He said my name is David. Then I replied I know it’s me Danyel. He said that’s my daughter’s name. Again I replied Yes dad it’s me. It took him a good 5 minutes to register who I was. Then he said oh hi honey are u here for breakfast. That’s when I knew things were getting bad.
I can so relate to this mothers plight. When my husband was dying from one of the rarest forms of cancer in the US, we had formed a suicide pact when his pain had gotten to a point of no help. We had saved enough of his oral pain meds to carry this out. Thankfully, Hospice & the goodness of Father God stepped in and he passed peacefully in my arms. RIP GLB. LOVE YOU 4EVAH. 💔👼💋
that Baroness lady is a danger to that whole community. these aren’t mercy “killings”. just because she doesn’t want to die, doesn’t mean others should have to suffer because of it. we are allowed to euthanize animals that are suffering (and will be held legally accountable if we allow them to suffer), but the same doesn’t apply to humans?! seems a little backwards. i’m not sure i could ever enlist the help of my family to help me end my life (although i definitely have thought about it - and will do it myself when things get worse), but i definitely think that there are people that would need the assistance and it’s only fair. some may not be physically possible. i don’t think it’s a gray area pertaining to whether we should allow it, we obviously should. the gray area is more about the conditions in which a person would have to have/be in, in order to qualify for it. hopefully that makes sense and wasn’t too much of a rambling.
To be clear, I am 100% against what the Lawyer is arguing for, and 100% support the Mother in this situation. But this post is exactly what that lawyer is worried about. Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide (here in Canada we call it Medical Assistance in Dying when doctors are involved) are two completely different things. This Lawyer is saying that if you open the door to assisted suicide, it is just a quick slide into deciding a person should be euthanized to end their suffering, without them necessarily even giving consent. When you bring up a person’s right to end their own lives it needs to be, beyond a shadow of a doubt, because of what that person wants, and not what the world thinks is most humane.
@@pamelamorris3148 yes, my uncle had terminal pancreatic and liver cancer. His kidneys shut down and he couldn't even process out the last round of chemo medications so they were slowly poisoning him and causing great pain. Hospice helped his siblings, who were his caretakers, give him increasing doses of morphine before he passed. It was the best way to go. I still miss him though.
@@shortforsophie agreed, it has to be what is wanted, not what would be “humane”, since that gets into eugenics territory. There are many of us disabled folk who want to live, but I am not going to take away someone else’s right to not suffer a life of pain.
Oh my god this is heartbreaking. I can not begin to imagine how conflicted that mother must have felt. ..seeing her daughter suffering.. Feeling so helpless. Assisted suicide is such a tough subject ...it isn't black and white. It's so sad....💔💜💔💜
It's a sickening situation. My son, Will left this life Aug 5th at 12. He passed away after 6 years of excruciating pain and suffering.He had one of the rarest genetic disorders XLP2, primary immunodeficiency and Nod2, genetic Crohns Disease and many other autoimmune as well. The last year of my child's life he screamed in pain constantly begging me to kill him. He didn't want to live like that anymore and it tortured me to see it.We tried to save him. We loved him. His last hope was a bone marrow transplant, it worked at first but by day 21 he suffered a cytokine storm. All his counts dropped to zero he died 2 weeks later from sepsis.When my son found out that his transplant failed, the Drs offered a second with only a 10% chance of success Will said no more. He refused, he said I can't anymore, I do this for you mommy but I'm tired and it's time to let me go. I wanted him to live but he wasn't living he was trapped in a prison a torture chamber, that was his body.We respected his wishes, we had a party with him and friends, be saw his doggy, we spent time. It was time to set him free, the infection started. We removed all antibiotics, all Medications except for pain and he died surrounded by the ppl who loved him best, his family, his favorite Dr, listening to beautiful music. But Even though I allowed my son a peaceful death by stopping antibiotics before mass organ failure took him, which is extremely painful...I still feel guilty agreeing to stop them, I felt and still feel guilty making him a DNR and DNI. But then I think his condition at the end He had an illiostomy bag, he had an 8in hole in his body that wouldn't close, his lungs were giving out, he couldn't walk anymore because of the pain, he took 39 pills a day, he had 6 bags of meds running, he was terminally ill... I couldn't even take him home to pass away because he was in so much pain and couldn't form platelets he would have bled to death within hours. If you have Ever witnessed such suffering such a degree of human dignity stolen by illness. Ever heard the screams of your child begging to die, begging for the pain to stop....then you understand why she helped. She was never a criminal she loved her daughter. My son's screams haunt me, there is prob not a day goes by that she wishes that she wasn't put in the position where death is the kinder choice but she was as many of us are and she chose love for her child over the overwhelming instinct to preserve a life that was no longer worth existing in. It's funny really how the law will not let terminally ill people to pass away quickly before they are faced with the torture their illness brings BUT we are allowed to let them die "naturally " over the course of days or weeks by removing fluids, medication, by not incubating them, by sending them to hospices...why the lingering why the torture?The way my child died was legal but if I would have put him out of pain quickly myself before it was so unbearable that he had to be sedated everyday with propophol and fentanyl just to wash his body, then I would be labeled a monster and thrown in prison. There is a right to dignity, there should be a right to choose, if a person is terminally Ill let them go with peace not screaming for hours everyday until their body gives out. Euthanasia is not murder it's letting them chose to be set free.
@@steelmagnolia7000 exactly. No body who has not been through this painful heartbreaking situation can condemn the mum...she was doing the only thing she could to help her daughter. She is not a murderer...people who comment negatively about this woman's heart breaking decision have no right when they have not been in her shoes. I am sat here with tears in my eyes reading your comment... I have a nephew of 12 and what you and your boy went through is heartbreaking. You sound like you were an amazing mum to your boy and you did everything within your power as a mum to make him happy. You should not feel guilty but as an outsider I know that's easy for me to say but you should take comfort in knowing he clearly adored you by the way you talk.
@@steelmagnolia7000 I'm so sorry. I totally agree with you. We do it for our pets, and every time I've had to do it I was terrified only to find it incredibly peaceful in the end. Unfortunately I think our healthcare system would rather keep people in the hospital for as long as possible for financial benefit.
@ @@steelmagnolia7000 I am so sorry you, your son, your family and friends had to travel this horrific journey of illness and pain. Mama, I applaud you. So sorry that your beautiful son had to suffer like that. Fly high with the angels, young man, healed and free Safe now, in God's beautiful gardens of Heaven, with Saint Michael, defender of the children, to care for you.
After watching my own mother suffer terribly and ultimately die from motor neuron disease I firmly beleive that assisted dying should be made legal everywhere. Nobody should have to spend the end of their life suffering and in pain. My mum wasn't even able to breath unassisted in the end and it was awful to watch knowing there is nothing I could do to help her. The fact she wanted to die and there was nothing I could do because she wouldn't of wanted me to spend the rest of my life in jail. So we just had to wait until her body just gave up on its own and now a year and half later I still have nightmares every single night about it because nobody wants to watch a parent or child suffer.
This mom is a beautiful selfless human being. I know this had to be extremely hard. The love she had for her child is what helped her make this decision.
I have MS. It is progressing. I have had it 5 years. If I did not have my 15 yr old son I would not be here now. Pain is a horrible thing and chronic pain can be unbearable. I hope that if I need help someday that someone can help me without criminal charges. It has always baffled me that we van put a pet out of its misery but not a human.
Mental and physical illness shouldn’t be treated differently. If you’ve been trying for years and you no longer have a good quality of life and you want to end it, then that’s your choice.
I love how many people support this lady's decision. It's not like she couldn't cope anymore and killed her daughter, you can tell she loves her massively and wanted to do what her daughter wished
I remember this case as a fellow severe ME sufferer. The pain is unbearable and we should have a right to die with dignity if that is our choice. It's heartbreaking but where is the funding for for biomedical research for answers and cures. I understand the broken comment 😢 RIP Lynne never forgotten in our community 💔❤️
I suffer with severe M.E and am bed bound most of the time too .Ive had M.E for 15 yrs but only this bad for 7 yrs . I can still eat but have a lot of stomach problems and sickness .I'm on a cocktail of medication for pain .I have times where I feel very down and feel a burden on my husband and kids .Most of the time I try to be positive ,I don't know how I would be able to go on if my symptoms became as bad as this young woman's. More people need to be aware of just how life changing M.E can be , it isn't just about being tired or something you can turn off and on .I hope and pray that this family have found some peace , all the things they have been through .I feel such empathy for all the grief they have suffered .Sending prayers to anyone who suffers with this awful condition .
Suz angel if that were my child and I was in that situation, i would happily accept being imprisoned knowing that I acted compassionately and became party to her ending her suffering. I would do it for my cat, just an animal. Why not for my child?
I so agree. She has it hard enough losing her daughter. Do they really think a mother would want their child to die?? I mean come tf on.. makes me sick what they put this poor mother through.
I looked it up and only read a few symptoms like mouth ulcers, but can't find it much other info. Bless this woman and I'm glad she's feeling no more pain.
Shawna Grubb ME is short for Myalgic enzephalomyelitis falsely known as. hronic fatigue syndrome. it usually begins with an infection. Symptoms: orthostatic Intolerance patients cant stand or sit upright sleeplessness pain sometimes paralysis swollen lymph nodes sore throat nausea bladder problems GI problems in some cases gastroparesis food intolerances POTS or NMH
@@StartFromScratch1 thank you. I I looked it up and I guess it was the wrong medical diagnosis it wasn't the right ME I guess, but thank you for giving me the info
This poor mother has gone through so much. I can tell she love her daughter to the moon and back. As much love as any mother can give their daughter. Feel bad that she watches her daughter suffer in pain years after years. Hope she’s doing well.
When my beautiful Labrador Lucy was suffering from liver cancer, although it broke my heart, I let her go as I loved her too much and was never going to let her endure pain and suffering. When my mum was diagnosed with terminal Pancreatic cancer, I had to stand by and watch her suffer for 4 months, losing weight, constantly being sick, and not wanting to be touched as the pain was so bad..How I wished she could have been given something so she could slip away peacefully. I hope Kay is ok and having a good life. RIP Lynn
She’s a wonderful mother! She brought her daughter into the world and the daughter asked her “Please help me leave this world, I’m broken, you can’t fix me now. Please Mum, let me go”
I just can't believe ME could render someone so profoundly disabled...just terrible. And nothing that could help her- how cruel for poor Lynne and her loving mum and family.
Terminally ill person greatly suffering in pain and agony: I'd really like to just end it all peacefully right now ) : Baroness: Yeah but *I'm* doing well, so no.
Why does Baroness feel she has the authority to speak for EVERY disabled or terminally ill person. Let people LIVE and DIE the way that works for THEM NOT YOU!
This is too difficult to address thoroughly, right now as I read this. I will try to come back tomorrow and fill in. My stepfather was a severely handicapped man due to a stroke at age51. For the last two years of his life, he wanted me to take him to his ancestral lands and set him free to allow the great spirit to decide what was to happen to him. He was a Cherokee Native American. He did not believe in suicide. I did not follow his wishes. More to come when I can get my emotions under control.
@@helterskelter917 Yes. I explained and apologized many times. I told him I would be accused of murder and be prosecuted. No one would believe that I would travel all the way to the Great Prairie and lose my father. I talked to him about what would happen to him; freezing in the winter, dehydration in the summer or animals at any time. Some native Americans believe that people who have no further use to the tribe should bravely leave to accept the Great Spirits wishes for them. It is an honorable thing to do. Over those two years, he declined and became difficult to handle. The live-in caregiver was afraid of him. This led to stays in a geriatric health care center where he was not well treated, and a geriatric psychiatric hospital. This stay led to the unwelcome introduction of legal entities into his life. I was told that I would not be allowed to take him home again. A facility quite a ways from home accepted him. He didn't eat and was parked in a Geri chair in front of a TV most of the time. They lost his glasses. He died in three weeks. This was, in my opinion, the result of laws in our nearly dystopian society. I cruelly put my stepfather in a place where all his desire to fight was for naught. How much better to have been able to let him go as he wished.
I have a daughter and I can not even begin to imagine what this mother has had to go through. There’s no love like a mother’s love and this woman VERY CLEARLY loved her child! Her actions weren’t selfish as she put her need to keep her daughter alive to the side and allowed her daughter to choose. I’m not sure if I could of done what this mom did but I truly believe she did the right thing. My heart shattered listening to her speak about the daughter she adored. She’s an amazing woman and I have nothing but respect for her.
This mother's heart must've shattered into a million pieces. No loving mom wants their child to die.....Mom did the hardest thing that I can imagine that any mother would do and no one has the right to judge her. ❤❤❤
I dont think I could help a loved one commit suicide. My mom died in July 2019. She had many health issues. She decided to go to a Hospice house for comfort care when her doctor said he couldn't do anything more for her. She had a DNR in place. The nurse woke me up at 2:30 am and told me mom had just passed away. Even though I loved her and will miss her until my last breathe, after thinking about it, I wouldn't have allowed resuscitation efforts. I realized I was glad my mom wouldn't be in pain ever again. I'm glad she died peacefully in her sleep so I wasnt put in a position to be asked to choose.
What a wonderful mother. To do anything for your children is the ultimate gift from mother to child. I hope to think that I would have her courage if I ever needed it.
I had to watch this is stages because it just hits so close to home. I remember Lynn & her mum, & how my heart just broke for both of them & the family. Like so many in the comments, I have genetic chronic disabilities (ME, Fibromyalgia & EDS), I was diagnosed in 2014 but I’d been struggling for a good handful of years prior. It’s degenerative, & I can tell as each year passes my pain is no longer controlled. I’m 32, waiting to get my own bungalow on social housing because I can’t rent privately due to needing adaptions, still residing at home with my parents, who understandably downsized in their older age & didn’t expect me to still be here at my age (nor did I). My mother suffers with chronic disabilities too & is mostly bed bound, so although on one hand we have that mutual understanding, I feel as if I must push past pain barriers on a daily basis to try my best to help her. I don’t sleep anymore, morphine doesn’t touch me, although I have a good relationship with my GP I no longer tell him even half of the issues I have going on because my conditions are too complex that GP’s just aren’t educated in chronic conditions & I feel like a terrible burden. As terrible as it sounds, I’m waiting for that time where I’m alone in my own home so that if the time comes, I can go peacefully. I’ve already spoken briefly to my mother about this. I just can’t fathom enduring another 30 - potentially 50 years of this pain, joints dislocating, needing hip / knee replacements, having chronic intestinal problems, problems eating. It’s not a life, it’s just existing. I know my mother understands, & I want to try & outlive her as I don’t want her to shoulder any burden of me going before her. I think we should all have a choice as to when we go from this earth. I don’t think it comes down to strength or ‘survival of the fittest’; I think it comes down to being bloody sensible. I don’t want to get to a stage where I’m bed bound, a further drain on the NHS, just drifting from one day to the next in gut wrenching pain. Not when I have the choice of being free from it all, & dying with a bit of dignity. If my mother asked the same of me like Lynn asked of her mother, I’d do exactly the same in assisting her too. The Baroness has no place to talk in this documentary as far as I’m concerned. She’s got the best private care going, carers coming out of her ears to help her bathe, dress & eat, access to the best medicines & alternative pain treatments. The rest of us have no choice but to push on every day with no additional help, can’t get private healthcare because they don’t accept people onto their system with existing health conditions. If she lives a month in the real world I might hear what she has to say. Debbie Prudy died the most awful death after fighting for family’s rights not to be prosecuted in helping their loved ones in assisted suicide. Her husband would have been prosecuted had he helped her to Switzerland to die, she suffered with MS. The only way she could die in this country was to starve herself to death in a Marie Curie Hospital, & the nurses treated her awfully all because they didn’t agree with what she was doing. She couldn’t even die in her own home. This country is so backwards, so old fashioned, & so behind everywhere else..something has to change. So much love to Lynn & her mother. Xx
Laura Williams, I understand EXACTLY what you mean. I’m a zebra as well (hEDS, Firbro, and under investigation for Chiari Malformation), and have the exact same thoughts. People don’t understand how very painful and debilitating these degenerative conditions are, and how we are completely cognizant of the fact that we’ll lose our mobility and independence - without all of the privilege that the Baroness enjoys. Sending you hugs, and remember, we’re #fragilebutunbreakable!
I’m also a zebra! (EDS, Fibromyalgia, cfs/me, pots, IBS, IC and more) I’ve attempted many times but failed. I thought I used to understand pain but when everything worsened I realised I had no idea prior. I’m 25 and I know that this is my life forever with medication that doesn’t work and is ruining my teeth. No treatment and incurable. I also have a lot of mental health problems and I’m just tired of living this way. 🦓
SixPack Shakur (Rep5281) my mum loves me and feels guilty enough. She isn’t simply a “breeder”. She is my strength when I have none. She has made mistakes but she is human and me being born is certainly not a mistake. I get that you are trying to say you are on my side but I don’t appreciate you saying that about my mum. I constantly feel like a burden and so often don’t tell my mother things to protect her and whilst I joke around saying it’s her fault it’s not serious. Interestingly enough I asked my mum what she would do in this case and she said she would refuse so not sure how to feel about that! She’s a nurse and until recently worked at a hospice so she believes in palliative care and making people comfortable. I’m never comfortable though nothing helps. 🦓
I've had M. E and Fibromyalgia for 20 years i honestly dont wish this illness on anybody thankfully I don't have it as bad as Lynn but can totally understand why the mother would help her I hope she's at peace
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God Bless you Mom and your beautiful daughter. I feel this was an unimaginable act of love and compassion you showed to your child. You and yours our in our families thoughts and prayers.
Her daughter was so beautiful. This just reminded me to cherish each day with my children. If my daughter were in this much pain, and she asked me to help her pass on, I would absolutely honor and respect her wishes.
I stand behind the mother a hundred percent. If we are told to put our pets or any animal done if they are suffering and nothing can be done for them but we can't do the same for loved ones? a lot of the people that have commented I fully agree with. I am glad she was cleared she did what was most humain for her daughter.
It took so much deep love for a Mum to stand by and watch her daughter take her own life. I don’t think anyone has the right to judge. We would never know unless we had been in the same situation.God bless both Kay and her daughter.
So, so wise you are!! Having kids is the hardest thing in the world... it’s like having your heart torn out of your chest, dangling over a precipice in 100 mile winds...most of the time. I never had the level of fear/anxiety/depression until my children... never prayed that our life’s be taken together and be done with this world, until children. Indeed, the unknown, the uncertainty is often intolerable... I love my children and have grown as a person, way more empathetic, aware and selfless as a result of being their mother... but I do wonder how life would be without that overwhelming responsibility for other life, with the ability for my heart to be ripped apart at any moment. And I used to be a nurse, who worked in critical settings...that was easy compared to being a mother.
I have lived in constant pain for the last 17 years. I relate strongly to this story. This mother is beautiful and strong and I wish only peace and love for her.
I'm sorry, Baroness, I don't agree with you though. It's not a mercy 'kill', it's respecting the wishes of your loved one who is unable to physically get out of what's making them painfully miserable in life, a mere existence. I'm sure these people don't do it lightheartedly, can you imagine what each individual in the family must be feeling? Such a sad story & plenty more of them out there sadly..
That’s so brave. I can’t imagine ever having to watch someone die especially taking the initiative to help her be comfortable when she couldn’t ask for it herself. That’s so so brave
I love the mom of this child. Her daughter had the mental capasity to decide what she wanted out of life and what she wanted to do with it. And I say her mom is the strongest woman to stay and go trew everything ups and downs her whole life and for her to do what she did out of love for her daughter is amazingly true love and understanding plus strength to be able to go trew with it all... This video shows the power of parents and uncodisional love.. Pls let them be. This isnt ur life it dose not interfear with ur life so let them be.. I would do the same for my child or I kbow my parents would do the same for me if that was an option and derision I wanted
I think we should neither judge those who are in favour nor those against assisted suicide, you never know what you'd do in that situation. People should be allowed to chose on their own without judgement.
What a great comment.. X of only it could work that way but there are some who would abuse the situation. Again a few spoiling it for genuine people who would never want to be facing such a heartbreaking situation. X
human euthanasia has to stop being stigmatized. why can we show compassion to animals who are suffering by deciding to put them down but we can’t do the same for people suffering? this goes for physical illnesses as well as unbearable mental illness. dying with dignity is far better than suicide.
People keep pointing out that the Baroness may have access to better care than Lynne, but they don't seem to recognize that not all disabilities are equal in severity. With ME/CFS often times a patient will be unable to sit up in a wheelchair to utilize it. Often ME patients need very limited stimuli (light, sound, tactile), and when they reach the type of severity Lynne did then this is even more crucial. I also think using ME as a term opposed to CFS is more appropriate. People, including healthcare professionals, do not take CFS seriously and treat it as simply fatigue. While even in severe cases it will rarely kill someone, it has all the capability to be just as devastating as it was to Lynne
My dad in his final days would get morphine every four hours or he would just moan. His prostate cancer migrated to his bones and his weakened body had stroked. He was in palliative care at the hospital.We could not give him an overdose of morphine to end his pain but food and water had been discontinued. They would allow him to die over days but not humanely with his family at his side in a moment. As a family we were just fortunate that with seven children and my mom we were with my dad every moment from the time he stroked. We did shifts. Two of his sons were with him in the wee hours of the morning when he left us. Euthanasia was not available to my dad that had a no resuscitation order at the time. Canada has moved in the right direction in my opinion but things still need to be ironed out.
Went through a similar thing in Australia. It got to the point where we asked the nurses- and without saying the actual words- for "more pain relief". I still remember her looking at me for a moment and then agreeing. He ended up passing while she out in the medication room but I'll be forever grateful for her willingness.
Luckily in the Netherlands, a dear mother like her would not be trialed as the country has euthanasia laws in place. It's a shame that people have no say in their own birth and society is making it darn hard for people to have a say in their own ending. Hence all the desperate resorting to oncoming trains and hangings and such, with all the inherent risks of failure and injury.
if that was my child id do the same! we don't allow animals to suffer so why is ok to allow a human to, that woman would have spent the rest of her life bedridden, she was exsisting not living, so listening to that woman saying end of life choices are wrong is extremely ignorant, & considering she was suffering herself its mind boggling to hear such narrow views
I totally agree! Many people care about the value of human life. Yet, it doesn't seem like many of those people care about quality of life. Assisted suicide should be a last resort for anyone. Although, keeping a tortured person alive just because of superstition and tradition is not logical. People who value life need to realize that there isn't much of a life for someone if they're crying from pain everyday, without the chance if recovering and being able to live a life. Time for some of those people to develop their empathy.
I work in healthcare and I have seen things that no one should ever have to suffer through. I feel so deeply for this mother and her daughter. I hope the mother is doing as well as she can be now.
Well I live in Oregon, you can have asst suicide here. Like anything else, don’t believe in it, don’t do it. Everyone has a right to make their own decisions. I just wanted to add That I didn’t want to seem glib or supporting it. I have no idea how I would feel in the situation or even if I could do it. I just believe that each person has a right to make that choice. It our bodies and life.
As a hospice nurse in the US, this mother is a hero for how she helped her daughter. She understands mercy. Adults should have the right to choose not to suffer anymore, and if they need help, there should be compassionate options available. In my state, we can withdraw all other treatment, including artificial nutrition and hydration, and allow a person to starve to death, but we can't do the human thing and help them leave this world peacefully and with dignity, if they so request. It's a messed up way of thinking. I've seen soany people die, and hospice is great at providing comfort, but sometimes hospice isn't good enough and sometimes people are ready to go now. Bless this mother for her strength in caring for her daughter, in every way possible. And places like Belgium, Switzerland, and even states in the US that have right to die laws have already disproven the slippery slope arguments like the lawyer presents. Euthanasia has not become rampant, there are lots of safeguards in place, and the individual has to have capacity to make the decision themselves, other cannot make that decision for them. There is no slippery slope, it's a farce
I have CFS and Fibromyalgia for the last 26 years. I am in bed 90% of the time and in constant pain. My family doesn't believe I am really ill and has abdoned me. But when I was well I did so much for them. I am going to be homeless soon. Suicide is something I think about all the time, now. People if you have living family, hug them and tell them you love them. A lot.
Hi Susan I am in the same position and my heart goes out to you I have fibromylagia, chronic fatigue and little support. Keep strong I understand it so awful when people dissappear when your ill and don't believe you because we have an Invisible illness. Please contact fibromylagia action UK support line on 0300 999 3333
@@darcyhope8342 thank you so much for your response. I have improved somewhat in my feelings for my future. England has a Fibro help line? That's cool. I'll have to see if we have one here in the states. God bless and good health to you and yours.
@@SusanBrooklyn Hi Susan I believe you do in the usa The line here is run by mainly fibromylagia suffers so they truly understand how you feel. You could still phone that number it's cheap to ring UK with a phone card Gentle hug
I’ve been sick for about 5 years with gastroparesis. It’s complete torture when you’re in pain for weeks at a time. Can’t eat. Can’t sleep. Just suffering. I’m tired of it. I commend this mother. She did what she had to do to help her child. I wish I had the same support. This mother is just a mother who’s helping her baby not suffer anymore. She’s innocent.
I have Very Severe ME as well as gastroparesis and I can't get a single provider in the state of New Mexico to treat me for anything because they say ME doesn't exist. 🙄
@@CricketGirrl I am so sorry omg. I’m from Canada so I know how privileged I have it over here. I’ll forever wish that all medications in the US were free! Also I’ve felt with so much terrible doctors and nurses who accused me of just being a drug addict and they didn’t believe I was as sick or in as much pain as I was in. I was literally going into the ER screaming and crying in pain and throwing up anything that went in my tummy. I always end up throwing up every single thing in my tummy so there’s nothing left but stomach acid coming out (sorry tmi) and they STILL DIDNT BELIEVE ME! I was hospitalized about 50 times before they even tried to diagnose me so I feel your pain. My heart is with you! If you have Facebook there’s a gastroparesis support group and it’s helped wonders for me. I made new friends who are so supportive and any time you have questions or even just want to vent, then you can post in that group! I hope you join if you haven’t already! Sending lots of love and comfort to you! Especially healing energy and prayers! You are not alone. ♥️
My father had bladder cancer and suffered for years. I expected him to ask me to help him and had he I would have said yes. Thankfully he never asked but he did die a long drawn out painful death which I wish he hadn’t suffered so. I think his belief in God kept him from considering that avenue.
while my heart is breaking for this mother i just have to say one thing. she should have video taped her daughter giving the injection and her stating she is doing this to herself
The Steph and Steve Show The problem with this, is that people can be coerced...so it doesn’t necessarily stand as “proof”. In addition... most people don’t support videoing someone’s death. It strikes me as very immoral.
why do we feel the need to tell people they can live or die? you don't know the pain or anything. maybe you wouldn't want tout die but its not up to you. out of all the things other people try to control death should not be one of them.
With all due respect to the Baroness, this is not an apples to apples situation. The ill person in question WANTS to die. She was of sound mind. She couldn't do it herself so she had her mum help her. That's not murder, that's mercy. And it's dying with dignity.
Wolf Mama I agree. I think that woman is acting like we’re trying to end people just because.
There is a video on you tube here and its of an elderly man who wants to pass on but don't know how hes in a right state of mentality and its really sad but they have I think a person of the law there to make sure that this is what he want to do and it is an assisted suicide but they showed him how to inject the stuff that was to kill him but they told him that he has to do it on his own that family or friends couldn't do it its so sad to watch but it was his decision and with the mother helping her daughter in this way and fulfilling her wish to pass on, shes shouldn't have gotten into trouble in the way that she did
Suicide is the cowardly way out. You people love life so much, you take in everything that comes with it including suffering and death! This is the game you breeders chose to play!
@@SumDumGai5 "Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain.”
It's not a cowards way out at all. when one is so physically overwhelmed they cannot deal with pain anymore they should have the right to make the choice, provided they have capacity to make that decision and provided their prognosis is terminal to start with. Only a person completely lacking in compassion and empathy would compel one to end their life in pain and distress..
@@SumDumGai5 You have lost your damn mind.
Glad she was cleared of charges. I don't think it was attempted murder at all
Murder.
Yeah, and why the phrase "attempted"? It succeeded.
it was a mercy, if i was in that position where I was always suffering with no hope just let me die with dignity.
When’s it’s Physician Assisted Suicide, it’s okay. But when you’re mum or dad does it, it’s not okay? Smh.
flodA reltiH But what happens when it is attempted murder .
My 33 yro niece died a horrible death. Diagnosed with ovarian cancer at age 29, her life was taken in the cruelest of ways. I was with her when she died. I would have done the same as this mother if I had been asked to. Life is the beauty, death is the beast.
I am so sorry for your loss! And I agree... my mom was diagnosed with ovarian and peritoneal cancer two months ago. The illness has taken everything away from her and it will take her life at some point. I would understand if she wanted to die on her own terms and in dignity - I would probably help her find a way to do it. We put animals down when they are suffering... why aren't humans allowed to choose that for themselves?
@@laurajael21 I am sorry you and your mom are going through this. I took care of my mom until she died, and I was only 19. I will say I did everything I could, the way she wanted things. But she wasn't allowed to make such a choice. I still miss her and still wish it was a different outcome, and it's been 20 years already. I don't understand the medical field's opinion that is was OK to keep her drugged up to the point of feeling as comfortable as possible, but it's not ok to have a dignified death. She used to ask me all the time to help her and to let her go, but I was scared of being without her, and also scared of what consequences I would face. It really is horrible. I think she was right, she said "what is the point of prolonging your time, but not being able to actually live in that time?". I hope you and your mom are doing as good as you possibly can, and just know I sincerely salute you. It's no small feat, going through something so profound. 💖
I strongly believe that people with a terminal illness should have the choice as to how they die. Give them that last bit of dignity. Dragging out a painful illness can be cruel. This mother gave her daughter the last choice she would ever have over her life and it was an act of love. She watched her daughter suffer for years and allowed her end her life peacefully.
Mother and daughter showed such love and courage
Medically assisted death is far better than a totally medically assisted life
I live with chronic and acute pain. I agree that if it continues to a point I can no longer live with it, I should be able to make that choice. What better way is there to die with your loved ones surrounding you. If they have to assist me in that goal, they should NEVER face charges for it.
Chronic fatigue syndrome isn’t fatal
I agree ❤️🩹
Seriously? She stated many times she wanted to die. Others heard it. Her Mom loved her. She was doing what she felt was best. The Mom did not kill her daughter selfishly. My heart aches for her!
In my personal opinion assisted sucicide shouldn’t be legal period.. on people or animals. We arn’t God nor will we ever be.
@@daniellemorales7260 I agree with you 100% but thankfully I've never been where they have so I can't judge.
Bubbles n Lipgloss me either
@@daniellemorales7260 Perhaps not legal, but it should be an option in some way or another. It's selfish to allow people suffer unbearably like this because of ridiculous human beliefs and laws, or some imaginary ''God''.
Danielle Morales - I sure hope you never get a pet!
In countries where they have assisted suicide, no one is using it to murder or dispose of disabled or elderly. It literally doesn't happen.
@Raina Mermaid : It literally _does_ happen! Haven’t you read up on the issues they’re having in Belgium? If not, I suggest you check up on it.
Raina Mermaid that is true but in Belgium amd Holland Euthanaisa is done for ill children.Which is not right bec children can be influenced by others opinions.What if its just a matter if time until that right is abused to get rid of disabled or eledery people? In Germany this is part if their history in the third Reich.I would NEVER charge someone like Lynns Mother but its a very though question.I have the same disease as Lynn and am bedbound too,so i really understand,but I think we could do with more funding and advances in treatment for late stage ilnesses to take the suffering away from these poor people.
Kazynski except it has only been done on terminally ill children who were suffering. I dont particularly like the idea of it being used on people under the age of 18 but I’m sure it’s not an easy process to get approved for. I don’t believe anyone should be forced to suffer till they eventually die. Since it’s such a hard process to get approved it’s hard to believe it’s going to turn into eugenics.
@@ashleynault4968 I see your point,I just dont want what has happened back in the 30ies in Germany! it happened long before they put the jews in the camps.They killed children and adults who were slightly mentally impaired and others who were physically impaired.The same could happen again.theres a thin line between ending the suffering and ending the lives of people WE think have no Quality of Life.
@@StartFromScratch1 it would be very hard for things to get that bad again, given that its really easy for info to spread online. Most medical things this serious go through a lot of paper work and having it be legal would help doctors regulate how things like this are done
Something that can happen are things like this being done at home when someone is desperate only for someone to get hurt but not die, or take a long time to die- which could be very terrifying
She gave her daughter peace. She's no longer in pain. And you could see how much she loved her daughter so much to let her go. That's a mother's love. She's knew when her daughter needed to leave
I think this should be considered a form of “dying with dignity”. It’s a process well known in the medical community for a person who is mentally capable of understanding the impact of that decision and is in immense pain and/or suffering. The daughter had clearly told multiple people that she was ready to move on. And so her mother assisted her in that process. I imagine she felt so much safer with her than what she would have in a hospital slowly fading away
Thank you.
Agreed. As well as moving heaven and earth to save one's who attempt suicide. It's know ones right . Let them go in peace on there terms.
Agreed.
I took care of my parents till their last breaths.
So many parents go to anything to help their children survive no matter how much suffering the child has to go through. They are doing it for themselves, because of the selfish desires they have not what is best for the child. When someone has no hope for survival, why put them through more treatments, more pain because YOU don't want to "lose" them? Death is a normal part of life regardless of the age it occurs.
I agree with the mom and daughter only cause the "medical community" you so speak of is near brain dead and unhelpful when people have serious and rare conditions
As a nurse, I have watched human beings in horrific pain. I have been asked or begged to help them die. Due to laws, I could and would not assist them. As a fellow human being it was a very hard thing to deny them and had they been someone I loved, I do not know if I would deny them. We compassionately ease animals suffering when they are terminal but we will not show that same compassion to a fellow human being. I do not understand this.
I'm a psychiatric nurse and worked hospice cases for almost 10 yrs. I've seen the most horrific cases, where did wouldn't even increase the morphine for fear of addiction....addiction, when a person is dying slowly in increasing pain with every breath, it made me sick.
I did my best to help my patients within my guidelines but having my own debilitating disease with no cure, I understood their dilemma.
I'm at the point , 48 yrs of Crohns, where it has spread and my pain is constant. I'm not ready to go yet, but I won't wait to expect my children to end my pain. I want to do it myself should I get to the point where the pain couldn't be alleviated. There are times im for this assisted death, but many could use that for gain so I have my doubts
Too many suffer for too long, and truly we don't allow that suffering with our pets, so why with our humans do we allow such torture?
@@sicilyny5375 there is nothing to gain from a dead consumer. These regulations we are faced with today have surely been the result of lobbying by the medical industry because a bed ridden person is profitable. Even when it's funded by our tax dollars, it's at a profit for those corporations and their stockholders.
@@sicilyny5375 I've thought why not just head to the street dealers before they lock me down in a hospital or nursing home. Sounds like a heroin overdose is a pleasant way to go, or today apparently you can just rub fentanyl on your skin and go down.
@@sicilyny5375 that’s insane. I have lupus and lymphoma and am still always in a battle with the drs about pain management. Since I’m 26 they believe I have too high of a risk and are often hesitant to treat my pain and symptoms. At first they didn’t believe anything was wrong and called it down to “anxiety” such a frustrating process just to live.
I’ve never had any prior addictions so their concern is based off of themselves looking badly as drs.
It should be case by case and not a general consensus. Just my opinion. I know so many others who have the same predicament and it’s heartbreaking to know so many suffer at the hands of the medical professionals.
That's unusual. I work hospice and when a person is actively dying we are very generous with morphine. Even families that administer it are told they can increase dose/ duration of time during those stages. It helps speed up the process. No one is worried about addiction during active stages of dying.
When my 86 yo grandma was diagnosed with bone cancer everywhere... I watched her go from an active happy woman to a bed ridden person living in misery. This woman did what she did out of love at her own peril. I cannot imagine how difficult it must've been.
The disabled attorney is WRONG she is speaking from her own fears, projection.. this mother is strong and loving and didn't want her daughter to die. My heart breaks for the whole family.
The disabled attorney was in another doctor where a mother was (i could be explaining this wrong) stopping her physically disabled son from growing so that he would be the size of a child the rest of his life so she could care for him easily than if he grew into a man. The attorney was projecting there too
@@breonawarren1507 I saw that documentary. The attorney thought it would be better someone lives in a nursing home being moved around with mechanical lifts than being cared for by a family who loves them.
My dad lived w/lung and colon cancer 6 yrs. He WANTED to die vs. WAITING IN PAIN!!! He actually did load a pistol; I was home alone w/him while my mom was at the hospital trying to get him re admitted. He did go back to the hospital and...WAITED, I THOUGHT THAT WAS CRUEL beyond reason! It's...just...CRUEL IMO!
@@TheVeggiekat Yep thats the one
@@TheVeggiekat The New Zealand cerebral palsy one?
If we let our pets suffer we would be charged with animal abuse, yet somehow it's okay for our loved ones to suffer..
nah i don't agree with that.
it's cruel to keep someone alive when all they do is suffer & in excruciating.. pain.
Yes. We have a dumb system and most people are illogical.
aries queen yeah some people ask to die cuz of pain but we say no and that’s abuse!!
It's selfish to keep someone alive that is suffering.
yes. emotion over logic. terrible
We are given dominion over animals, but not people.
I run the channel Dying With Dignity. I am chronically ill and at some stage will be terminal. My family is going to take me to Belgium or Switzerland to help me die. God bless you Kaye, what a wonderful mother and incredibly strong woman.
@Baby Firefly : I’m sorry to hear this. What illness do you have, if I may ask?
God bless you
I'd love to follow your channel. I totally believe in dying with dignity. I also know my family wouldn't go along with it. Sadly if I was in that situation. I'd have to leave this world with a a friend by my side.
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Following Kay Gilderdale's acquittal, the judge made a statement praising the jury. Mr Justice Bean remarked: "I do not normally comment on the verdicts of juries but in this case their decision, if I may say so, shows that common sense, decency and humanity which makes jury trials so important in a case of this kind.
This was perfect. Thank you
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That's awesome!! Thank you for sharing this!!!
That baroness was born into privilege, she shouldn’t have any weight into this topic since she has availability to top medical and home care.
I have muscular dystrophy and always worry about what will happen if there’s a time I can’t handle the pain everyday anymore... my husband and I have talked and if it happens we’ll move to a state where I can have control over MY LIFE!
I have progressive MD as well.....I make it very clear I will NOT go into a nursing home and my children will not give up their lives for me. That isn't depression...that is REALITY.
That's sounds very great for you, I think it's right for us to make the choices we want about our own bodies.. and I wish that you'll never have to endure pain to that point.
God bless you!!!!! I agree.
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Imagine living in the US where people have no access to medical care. Some people go to Emergency Departments and get themselves into massive debt for small things like strep throat, colds, and other minor illnesses. If you have a chronic illness though, and no medical insurance, you can die. There are people who qualify for Medicaid and Medicare, but there are many that have access to nothing. It's horrible especially considering we are a developed country.
The Baroness keeps saying that the consequences of making certain circumstances acceptable to end a human's pain and suffering and allow them to die with dignity are "far worse" but she never gives one good example.
Terri Schiavo.
This mother gave her daughter the Most Beautiful Gift, TO DIE WITH DIGNITY. I've been my husband's Caregiver for 28 years with No help from h8s Family or his Homecare Agency. I would help him if he asked, it's a gift being a Caregiver to a spouse or anyone for this long.
People shouldn’t point the finger and judge nobody knows what they would do unless they were in that situation.. I wouldn’t like to see anyone I loved so much suffer and be in so so much pain with no quality of life . She’s obviously a very very loving mother
She's selfish.
@@SumDumGai5 how is she selfish...? she nursed her own daughter...she wanted her daughter to stay alive but she did what was best for her...thats selfless not selfish...
@@Bekka_boo13 Breeding is always selfish.
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We all should be given such choice it is easy to say “keep going” when you aren’t waking in said person’s shoes. There are far too many travesties in this world. Like this unbelievably strong mom said, I don’t have the right to force her to stay and suffer. She is the epitome of what love compassion and understanding is
Agree with all, the mom made an extremely difficult and courageous decision. I totally understand, she had to do it because she didn't have the choice at a local clinic. People shouldn't have to travel to switzerland to get this basic personal need met, "the right to die with dignity".
For once,it's lovely to see so many people being so understanding and empathetic to someone's situation. No judgement. I can't imagine being in this position and if I was I'd have done the same. Rip beautiful lady.
I belief if someone truely wants to die, they should be able to
I think suicide and illness sucide is different, who is healthy and giving up life and suicide is the weaked person. illness and falling apart of body and in pain wanted to die is acceptable.
Watch this documentary
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Reflection Wave
Suicidal doesn’t necessarily mean weakness
suicide is illness too i dont think is just for the weak
People who has suicidal thoughts are those who people deal with depression which is illness.
What strikes me about this documentary is her striking honesty. Put in an impossible situation, her daughters choice vs. her choice vs. ethics vs law, she is still calmly and rationally honest!
I have Multiple Sclerosis, Cardiomyopathy, Degenerative Disc Disease and am now on a pain pump and an ICD. I started this personal nightmare at the age of 35. I am now 52 and have a right knee replacement scheduled July 23 due to extreme osteoarthritis. Bone on bone. My left knee and both hips after that. When will I be allowed to make my own decision about when I can stand no more pain??
I'm so sorry Gwen! I wish you could have good health! Prayers!
My dear fellow warrior, I pray you regain your health and your peace of mind.
Wish you all the best with your surgery 💐
Gwyn Meade I’m so sorry and I completely understand were you are coming from. I’m in pain day and night. I also have many diseases that are life long and in the end will be fatal. There is no cure. I’m disabled from it and can’t work. No surgeries can be done on me because I have so many blood clots all over my body and the doctors are afraid they will move and kill me. So here I sit day and night in pain with no options in sight. So I just wanted to tell you I understand and you are in my prayers.
@@TrueBeautifulSoul179 God bless you. ❤
My whole point is this: I was studying to be a doctor when life pulled the rug out from under my feet. I know this much- just as it's a mechanic's job to keep a piece of machinery running, it is also a doctor's job to keep the patient alive. I am so tired of being the guinea pig that is subjected to the trials and test medications that I find difficulty in realizing the point of it all. Instead of becoming a professional physician, I've become a professional patient. This occupation is unacceptable to me as well as countless friends who have the same issues as I have. We want the right to determine the mode, method, and time of our own departure without having the worry of our loved ones potentially facing criminal charges simply for loving us enough to assist if necessary.
I am alone and virtually bedridden with this absolutely brutal illness, chronic fatigue syndrome. The word fatigue not come close to the multitude of debilitating and torturous symptoms we experience when this severe. I totally understand why this young woman wanted to leave, and my heart absolutely goes out to her wonderful and compassionate mother.
I am saddened to learn about yourself. I can only but pray for betterment of your health.
I’m sorry to hear about what you are fighting through. I hope many blessings come your way. You are strong and you can absolutely do this. Sending love and strength your way. You are never alone. ❤️❤️
Hugs from one sufferer to another.
CFS!! Sorry love❤️❤️
I am so sorry I am alone and have autism and can't communicate with anyone and get torture headaches that feel like my brains are going to blast out of my skull so I know what it feels like to want to leave too I REALLY admire her wonderful and compassionate mother as well!
The life her daughter was torture so extreme it would violate human rights laws if it was caused by another person. Her mother displayed incredible mercy and compassion. No one deserves to endure that just to comfort healthy people who cant relate.
Until you've walked in this women's shoes....YOU CAN NOT JUDGE!
Amen
Exactly! Thank you!!! In my opinion they shouldn't have even tried to prosecute her!!! She didn't do anything!!! She didn't inject her daughter.
What an absolutely beautiful mother and daughter. They were both so brave, and there's no way the love between them can be denied. I would hope my mother would be as selfless if I were ever in the same position.
Not many parents could put aside their own desires for their child like this… my mother has told me point blank when I asked her in my urgent care room, that she wants me to stay alive for her no matter how unbearable my suffering gets… been trying to convince / prepare my parents for over a year now. My dad does agree it is no life just to live for others’. Maybe if there was a legal framework it’d be easier for them to accept.
The thing about assisted suicide in cases like this is that it is the ultimate act of compassion, empathy, and BELIEVING someone in their pain. This woman was suffering intensely, she spent more of her life bedridden than not.
It's the greatest act of love and humanity. You will never convince me otherwise.
To willingly walk into that emptiness, loss, grief, and pain just to ease the pain of another person is our ultimate humanity.
But we need to get rid of the word suicide,specially in cases like this
I live in terrible chronic pain. I think about this. I fight for my love of my mom.
It’s been a long year since I posted this. Things are worse I’m sad I wake up
Pamela Raney ....I am so sorry you are in constant pain ! You are in my prayers and I am sending you love, light and healing energy 🕊 Stay strong, you are not alone ☺️🙋🏻♀️
Chrissie Carr thank you. I am blessed with a wonderful mom myself like this girl. The Cleveland Clinic saved me. They have a specialty program for chronic pain and it’s saved my life. Opioids don’t work for chronic pain but a large group of psychiatric medications do. Thank you for caring 😊
Jennie Hughes thank you for your compassion
@@pamelaraney4654 i can understand you completely. I'm also living with a chronic pain due to a rare health condition with no cure, yet.
My mother is my backbone, i don't think I would have ever survived this agony without her love and support.. She and my wonderful aunties are the sunshine of my life ❤️
I wish you and your dear mother all the happiness and love 💝
Ranya M. Hussein thank you for your kindness. I hope you get what you are wishing for me. 😊
My heart broke when “im too broken you cant fix me”
I cried throughout the entire thing...I hope Lynn is at peace and her mom will be OK one day when this stupidity is over
Lynn is at peace, awaiting resurrection
Another ME sufferer here.Had it 18 years and I can't count the amount of times I've thought of suicide.i keep going for my boyfriend and sister. To be so ill and get no help at all is brutal.Lynn's story is well known in the ME circles I think of her often.
Hi there,
I know this comment is from a year ago, but I just felt compelled to reply. I don’t wanna blab on too much, but I have worked in care homes with people seriously suffering and it has had a severely traumatic toll on me in the past. I even had to leave a previous job a few years ago, because of how paranoid and depressed I was. Seeing human beings in awful conditions completely broke me. This is why to this day I am pro euthanasia. I was just thinking earlier, that I would love to meet kay gilderdale. Unfortunately, i’m unsure of anyway to make that possible. Or rather to be able to meet people suffering with this illness. I would just like to make it clear that I am not an ME sufferer myself, I am just passionate about human rights and can’t bear to see people suffer. I am very lucky to not have any physical disabilities. Although I do suffer with bpd (mental illness) I would love to be of help to people suffering. I have dealt with loneliness for the vast majority of my life. I can’t imagine how much worse and isolating it must be for someone who has a disability. Please feel free to message me if you would like :) Best wishes x
I'm so sorry you are going through this. How are you a year later?
Do you support the mother in this?
I do.
What is ME?
@@rizzwifey05 it’s chronic fatigue syndrome.
ME, more needs to be explained.
I know this isn’t the same. But my dad had a stroke and many other issues. He was brain dead and there was no hope of recovery. My sister and I chose to pull the plug. It was the hardest decision we’ve ever had to make. It was hard to watch him slowly die. He lasted longer then any of us expected. There is no doubt in my mind that we made the right decision. I think it should be legal for assisted suicide.
I’m so sorry.
I've given instructions to my son to pull the plug when there's no hope
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I'm so sorry for you & your sisters loss!!!! May God bring you comfort & peace!!! And in actuality, to me, it's not too different...IMO you & your sister had to make the choice or decision to end your fathers pain & suffering...So I don't see it as being all that different, sure it's different illnesses or health issues, but ultimately in both circumstances the choice of ending ones life had to be made...I have also told my family to do the same thing, I NEVER want to be kept alive by any machines!!!! I'm sure your father is at peace in Heaven & watching over you & your sister!!!! God bless both of you!!!!
@@pamelafrye4667 thank you for your kindness. I remember a couple of days before he has his stroke. I went into his room to feed him breakfast. I said good morning dad I’m her to give you breakfast. He said my name is David. Then I replied I know it’s me Danyel. He said that’s my daughter’s name. Again I replied Yes dad it’s me. It took him a good 5 minutes to register who I was. Then he said oh hi honey are u here for breakfast. That’s when I knew things were getting bad.
I can so relate to this mothers plight.
When my husband was dying from one of the rarest forms of cancer in the US, we had formed a suicide pact when his pain had gotten to a point of no help.
We had saved enough of his oral pain meds to carry this out.
Thankfully, Hospice & the goodness of Father God stepped in and he passed peacefully in my arms.
RIP GLB. LOVE YOU 4EVAH. 💔👼💋
@Sarah America Ty Sarah. I'm still not over losing him, even though it's been 9 yrs on Feb. 1.
A suicide pact? Were you going to end your life too? Or was it just for your Husband?
Yes my papaw died from one of the rarest forms as well. He too died peacefully. That's all we asked.
@@ashlieleavelle I know that I am definitely misunderstanding this but it sounds like to me she never did her end of the bargain
that Baroness lady is a danger to that whole community. these aren’t mercy “killings”. just because she doesn’t want to die, doesn’t mean others should have to suffer because of it. we are allowed to euthanize animals that are suffering (and will be held legally accountable if we allow them to suffer), but the same doesn’t apply to humans?! seems a little backwards. i’m not sure i could ever enlist the help of my family to help me end my life (although i definitely have thought about it - and will do it myself when things get worse), but i definitely think that there are people that would need the assistance and it’s only fair. some may not be physically possible. i don’t think it’s a gray area pertaining to whether we should allow it, we obviously should. the gray area is more about the conditions in which a person would have to have/be in, in order to qualify for it.
hopefully that makes sense and wasn’t too much of a rambling.
Not at all! I completely agree.
To be clear, I am 100% against what the Lawyer is arguing for, and 100% support the Mother in this situation.
But this post is exactly what that lawyer is worried about.
Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide (here in Canada we call it Medical Assistance in Dying when doctors are involved) are two completely different things.
This Lawyer is saying that if you open the door to assisted suicide, it is just a quick slide into deciding a person should be euthanized to end their suffering, without them necessarily even giving consent.
When you bring up a person’s right to end their own lives it needs to be, beyond a shadow of a doubt, because of what that person wants, and not what the world thinks is most humane.
The morphine overdose is exactly what the hospice does in the USA to all patients to have a humane death in the end.
@@pamelamorris3148 yes, my uncle had terminal pancreatic and liver cancer. His kidneys shut down and he couldn't even process out the last round of chemo medications so they were slowly poisoning him and causing great pain. Hospice helped his siblings, who were his caretakers, give him increasing doses of morphine before he passed. It was the best way to go. I still miss him though.
@@shortforsophie agreed, it has to be what is wanted, not what would be “humane”, since that gets into eugenics territory. There are many of us disabled folk who want to live, but I am not going to take away someone else’s right to not suffer a life of pain.
As a Mother, her duty is to love, nourish and Confort her Child. This Mother gave love and helped her Daughter to be comfortable and not in pain. 🌹
Oh my god this is heartbreaking. I can not begin to imagine how conflicted that mother must have felt. ..seeing her daughter suffering.. Feeling so helpless.
Assisted suicide is such a tough subject ...it isn't black and white.
It's so sad....💔💜💔💜
Kerry Ann halo
It's a sickening situation. My son, Will left this life Aug 5th at 12. He passed away after 6 years of excruciating pain and suffering.He had one of the rarest genetic disorders XLP2, primary immunodeficiency and Nod2, genetic Crohns Disease and many other autoimmune as well. The last year of my child's life he screamed in pain constantly begging me to kill him. He didn't want to live like that anymore and it tortured me to see it.We tried to save him. We loved him. His last hope was a bone marrow transplant, it worked at first but by day 21 he suffered a cytokine storm. All his counts dropped to zero he died 2 weeks later from sepsis.When my son found out that his transplant failed, the Drs offered a second with only a 10% chance of success Will said no more. He refused, he said I can't anymore, I do this for you mommy but I'm tired and it's time to let me go. I wanted him to live but he wasn't living he was trapped in a prison a torture chamber, that was his body.We respected his wishes, we had a party with him and friends, be saw his doggy, we spent time. It was time to set him free, the infection started. We removed all antibiotics, all Medications except for pain and he died surrounded by the ppl who loved him best, his family, his favorite Dr, listening to beautiful music. But Even though I allowed my son a peaceful death by stopping antibiotics before mass organ failure took him, which is extremely painful...I still feel guilty agreeing to stop them, I felt and still feel guilty making him a DNR and DNI. But then I think his condition at the end He had an illiostomy bag, he had an 8in hole in his body that wouldn't close, his lungs were giving out, he couldn't walk anymore because of the pain, he took 39 pills a day, he had 6 bags of meds running, he was terminally ill... I couldn't even take him home to pass away because he was in so much pain and couldn't form platelets he would have bled to death within hours. If you have Ever witnessed such suffering such a degree of human dignity stolen by illness. Ever heard the screams of your child begging to die, begging for the pain to stop....then you understand why she helped. She was never a criminal she loved her daughter. My son's screams haunt me, there is prob not a day goes by that she wishes that she wasn't put in the position where death is the kinder choice but she was as many of us are and she chose love for her child over the overwhelming instinct to preserve a life that was no longer worth existing in. It's funny really how the law will not let terminally ill people to pass away quickly before they are faced with the torture their illness brings BUT we are allowed to let them die "naturally " over the course of days or weeks by removing fluids, medication, by not incubating them, by sending them to hospices...why the lingering why the torture?The way my child died was legal but if I would have put him out of pain quickly myself before it was so unbearable that he had to be sedated everyday with propophol and fentanyl just to wash his body, then I would be labeled a monster and thrown in prison. There is a right to dignity, there should be a right to choose, if a person is terminally Ill let them go with peace not screaming for hours everyday until their body gives out. Euthanasia is not murder it's letting them chose to be set free.
@@steelmagnolia7000 exactly. No body who has not been through this painful heartbreaking situation can condemn the mum...she was doing the only thing she could to help her daughter.
She is not a murderer...people who comment negatively about this woman's heart breaking decision have no right when they have not been in her shoes.
I am sat here with tears in my eyes reading your comment... I have a nephew of 12 and what you and your boy went through is heartbreaking. You sound like you were an amazing mum to your boy and you did everything within your power as a mum to make him happy. You should not feel guilty but as an outsider I know that's easy for me to say but you should take comfort in knowing he clearly adored you by the way you talk.
@@steelmagnolia7000 I'm so sorry. I totally agree with you. We do it for our pets, and every time I've had to do it I was terrified only to find it incredibly peaceful in the end. Unfortunately I think our healthcare system would rather keep people in the hospital for as long as possible for financial benefit.
@ @@steelmagnolia7000 I am so sorry you, your son, your family and friends had to travel this horrific journey of illness and pain. Mama, I applaud you. So sorry that your beautiful son had to suffer like that. Fly high with the angels, young man, healed and free Safe now, in God's beautiful gardens of Heaven, with Saint Michael, defender of the children, to care for you.
That mom is a wonderful mother.
lol
Yeah she is stronger than I would be.
Nope...she is a horrible mother...and she deserves to go to jail for killing her daughter.
@@shiningstar3312 no she’s not. She didn’t killer her. Her daughter did it. You don’t know what she was suffering and never will. Her right to choose.
@@shiningstar3312 yup
After watching my own mother suffer terribly and ultimately die from motor neuron disease I firmly beleive that assisted dying should be made legal everywhere. Nobody should have to spend the end of their life suffering and in pain. My mum wasn't even able to breath unassisted in the end and it was awful to watch knowing there is nothing I could do to help her. The fact she wanted to die and there was nothing I could do because she wouldn't of wanted me to spend the rest of my life in jail. So we just had to wait until her body just gave up on its own and now a year and half later I still have nightmares every single night about it because nobody wants to watch a parent or child suffer.
This mom is a beautiful selfless human being. I know this had to be extremely hard. The love she had for her child is what helped her make this decision.
Selfish
This should be anything but illegal. Poor woman.
K than not legal
I have MS. It is progressing. I have had it 5 years. If I did not have my 15 yr old son I would not be here now. Pain is a horrible thing and chronic pain can be unbearable. I hope that if I need help someday that someone can help me without criminal charges. It has always baffled me that we van put a pet out of its misery but not a human.
Steph, I'm so sorry about the cruel situation you are in. Sending my heartfelt best wishes and to your son too. Xx
I couldn't agree with you more. So sorry to hear of your situation, I pray that you are given what is requested if required. Bless you 💜
No greater Love has a parent for a child then to let them go when the pain and suffering is too unbearable for them to endure living.🙏🏼❤️
I can only pray that if I’m ever in a situation like this that I would find the same strength that this wonderful brave mom has.
Mental and physical illness shouldn’t be treated differently. If you’ve been trying for years and you no longer have a good quality of life and you want to end it, then that’s your choice.
This mother did absolutely the right thing for her daughter. Lynn, may you RIP.
I love how many people support this lady's decision. It's not like she couldn't cope anymore and killed her daughter, you can tell she loves her massively and wanted to do what her daughter wished
How could anyone put this intelligent, thoughtful, gentle and loving mother in the same category as murderers? Absurd!
The amount of people who are saying she’s a murderer is CONCERNING
I remember this case as a fellow severe ME sufferer. The pain is unbearable and we should have a right to die with dignity if that is our choice. It's heartbreaking but where is the funding for for biomedical research for answers and cures. I understand the broken comment 😢 RIP Lynne never forgotten in our community 💔❤️
I suffer with severe M.E and am bed bound most of the time too .Ive had M.E for 15 yrs but only this bad for 7 yrs . I can still eat but have a lot of stomach problems and sickness .I'm on a cocktail of medication for pain .I have times where I feel very down and feel a burden on my husband and kids .Most of the time I try to be positive ,I don't know how I would be able to go on if my symptoms became as bad as this young woman's. More people need to be aware of just how life changing M.E can be , it isn't just about being tired or something you can turn off and on .I hope and pray that this family have found some peace , all the things they have been through .I feel such empathy for all the grief they have suffered .Sending prayers to anyone who suffers with this awful condition .
Prayers
@@linkslinks7965 Thank you x
That poor mother should not have been dragged through court after the tragic loss of her daughter. Absolutely heartbreaking ❤️
Suz angel if that were my child and I was in that situation, i would happily accept being imprisoned knowing that I acted compassionately and became party to her ending her suffering. I would do it for my cat, just an animal. Why not for my child?
I so agree. She has it hard enough losing her daughter. Do they really think a mother would want their child to die?? I mean come tf on.. makes me sick what they put this poor mother through.
I've had ME for over 12 years .. Lynn's mum did the right thing . God bless them both . RIP Lynn 🙏💙💙🌹
What does ME do?
I looked it up and only read a few symptoms like mouth ulcers, but can't find it much other info. Bless this woman and I'm glad she's feeling no more pain.
@@shawnagrubb9958 this link may be of help to you: ttps://www.nhs.uk/conditions/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-cfs/#overview
Shawna Grubb ME is short for Myalgic enzephalomyelitis falsely known as. hronic fatigue syndrome. it usually begins with an infection.
Symptoms:
orthostatic Intolerance
patients cant stand or sit upright
sleeplessness
pain
sometimes paralysis
swollen lymph nodes
sore throat
nausea
bladder problems
GI problems
in some cases gastroparesis
food intolerances
POTS or NMH
@@StartFromScratch1 thank you. I I looked it up and I guess it was the wrong medical diagnosis it wasn't the right ME I guess, but thank you for giving me the info
I'm with the Mom 100%
This mother did everything for her daughter! I’m very much on moms side!
This poor mother has gone through so much. I can tell she love her daughter to the moon and back. As much love as any mother can give their daughter. Feel bad that she watches her daughter suffer in pain years after years. Hope she’s doing well.
When my beautiful Labrador Lucy was suffering from liver cancer, although it broke my heart, I let her go as I loved her too much and was never going to let her endure pain and suffering. When my mum was diagnosed with terminal Pancreatic cancer, I had to stand by and watch her suffer for 4 months, losing weight, constantly being sick, and not wanting to be touched as the pain was so bad..How I wished she could have been given something so she could slip away peacefully. I hope Kay is ok and having a good life. RIP Lynn
She’s a wonderful mother! She brought her daughter into the world and the daughter asked her “Please help me leave this world, I’m broken, you can’t fix me now. Please Mum, let me go”
I just can't believe ME could render someone so profoundly disabled...just terrible. And nothing that could help her- how cruel for poor Lynne and her loving mum and family.
And more awareness needs to be raised about people who have this level of m.e. There is a documentary called Unrest which highlights this
Terminally ill person greatly suffering in pain and agony: I'd really like to just end it all peacefully right now ) :
Baroness: Yeah but *I'm* doing well, so no.
Why does Baroness feel she has the authority to speak for EVERY disabled or terminally ill person. Let people LIVE and DIE the way that works for THEM NOT YOU!
This is too difficult to address thoroughly, right now as I read this. I will try to come back tomorrow and fill in. My stepfather was a severely handicapped man due to a stroke at age51. For the last two years of his life, he wanted me to take him to his ancestral lands and set him free to allow the great spirit to decide what was to happen to him. He was a Cherokee Native American. He did not believe in suicide. I did not follow his wishes. More to come when I can get my emotions under control.
Lucy Lu, wait, so he wanted you to take him to these lands and just..leave him? I’m not trying to be disrespectful I’m just curious.
@@helterskelter917 Yes. I explained and apologized many times. I told him I would be accused of murder and be prosecuted. No one would believe that I would travel all the way to the Great Prairie and lose my father. I talked to him about what would happen to him; freezing in the winter, dehydration in the summer or animals at any time. Some native Americans believe that people who have no further use to the tribe should bravely leave to accept the Great Spirits wishes for them. It is an honorable thing to do.
Over those two years, he declined and became difficult to handle. The live-in caregiver was afraid of him. This led to stays in a geriatric health care center where he was not well treated, and a geriatric psychiatric hospital. This stay led to the unwelcome introduction of legal entities into his life. I was told that I would not be allowed to take him home again. A facility quite a ways from home accepted him. He didn't eat and was parked in a Geri chair in front of a TV most of the time. They lost his glasses. He died in three weeks.
This was, in my opinion, the result of laws in our nearly dystopian society. I cruelly put my stepfather in a place where all his desire to fight was for naught.
How much better to have been able to let him go as he wished.
@@lucylu7389 Your comment was interesting, yet very sad. My prayers are with you and your stepfather's spirit....
@@@avianearth2397Thank you, Lucy
I have a daughter and I can not even begin to imagine what this mother has had to go through. There’s no love like a mother’s love and this woman VERY CLEARLY loved her child! Her actions weren’t selfish as she put her need to keep her daughter alive to the side and allowed her daughter to choose. I’m not sure if I could of done what this mom did but I truly believe she did the right thing. My heart shattered listening to her speak about the daughter she adored. She’s an amazing woman and I have nothing but respect for her.
This mother's heart must've shattered into a million pieces. No loving mom wants their child to die.....Mom did the hardest thing that I can imagine that any mother would do and no one has the right to judge her. ❤❤❤
Alma Kehler Brown agree fully
I dont think I could help a loved one commit suicide.
My mom died in July 2019. She had many health issues. She decided to go to a Hospice house for comfort care when her doctor said he couldn't do anything more for her. She had a DNR in place. The nurse woke me up at 2:30 am and told me mom had just passed away. Even though I loved her and will miss her until my last breathe, after thinking about it, I wouldn't have allowed resuscitation efforts. I realized I was glad my mom wouldn't be in pain ever again. I'm glad she died peacefully in her sleep so I wasnt put in a position to be asked to choose.
What a wonderful mother. To do anything for your children is the ultimate gift from mother to child. I hope to think that I would have her courage if I ever needed it.
I had to watch this is stages because it just hits so close to home. I remember Lynn & her mum, & how my heart just broke for both of them & the family.
Like so many in the comments, I have genetic chronic disabilities (ME, Fibromyalgia & EDS), I was diagnosed in 2014 but I’d been struggling for a good handful of years prior. It’s degenerative, & I can tell as each year passes my pain is no longer controlled. I’m 32, waiting to get my own bungalow on social housing because I can’t rent privately due to needing adaptions, still residing at home with my parents, who understandably downsized in their older age & didn’t expect me to still be here at my age (nor did I). My mother suffers with chronic disabilities too & is mostly bed bound, so although on one hand we have that mutual understanding, I feel as if I must push past pain barriers on a daily basis to try my best to help her. I don’t sleep anymore, morphine doesn’t touch me, although I have a good relationship with my GP I no longer tell him even half of the issues I have going on because my conditions are too complex that GP’s just aren’t educated in chronic conditions & I feel like a terrible burden.
As terrible as it sounds, I’m waiting for that time where I’m alone in my own home so that if the time comes, I can go peacefully. I’ve already spoken briefly to my mother about this. I just can’t fathom enduring another 30 - potentially 50 years of this pain, joints dislocating, needing hip / knee replacements, having chronic intestinal problems, problems eating. It’s not a life, it’s just existing. I know my mother understands, & I want to try & outlive her as I don’t want her to shoulder any burden of me going before her. I think we should all have a choice as to when we go from this earth. I don’t think it comes down to strength or ‘survival of the fittest’; I think it comes down to being bloody sensible. I don’t want to get to a stage where I’m bed bound, a further drain on the NHS, just drifting from one day to the next in gut wrenching pain. Not when I have the choice of being free from it all, & dying with a bit of dignity. If my mother asked the same of me like Lynn asked of her mother, I’d do exactly the same in assisting her too.
The Baroness has no place to talk in this documentary as far as I’m concerned. She’s got the best private care going, carers coming out of her ears to help her bathe, dress & eat, access to the best medicines & alternative pain treatments. The rest of us have no choice but to push on every day with no additional help, can’t get private healthcare because they don’t accept people onto their system with existing health conditions. If she lives a month in the real world I might hear what she has to say.
Debbie Prudy died the most awful death after fighting for family’s rights not to be prosecuted in helping their loved ones in assisted suicide. Her husband would have been prosecuted had he helped her to Switzerland to die, she suffered with MS. The only way she could die in this country was to starve herself to death in a Marie Curie Hospital, & the nurses treated her awfully all because they didn’t agree with what she was doing. She couldn’t even die in her own home. This country is so backwards, so old fashioned, & so behind everywhere else..something has to change.
So much love to Lynn & her mother. Xx
Laura Williams, I understand EXACTLY what you mean. I’m a zebra as well (hEDS, Firbro, and under investigation for Chiari Malformation), and have the exact same thoughts. People don’t understand how very painful and debilitating these degenerative conditions are, and how we are completely cognizant of the fact that we’ll lose our mobility and independence - without all of the privilege that the Baroness enjoys. Sending you hugs, and remember, we’re #fragilebutunbreakable!
I’m also a zebra! (EDS, Fibromyalgia, cfs/me, pots, IBS, IC and more) I’ve attempted many times but failed. I thought I used to understand pain but when everything worsened I realised I had no idea prior. I’m 25 and I know that this is my life forever with medication that doesn’t work and is ruining my teeth. No treatment and incurable. I also have a lot of mental health problems and I’m just tired of living this way. 🦓
Your breeders did this to you! They are the burdens!
@@littlereddevilrocs Your breeders did this to you.
SixPack Shakur (Rep5281) my mum loves me and feels guilty enough. She isn’t simply a “breeder”. She is my strength when I have none. She has made mistakes but she is human and me being born is certainly not a mistake. I get that you are trying to say you are on my side but I don’t appreciate you saying that about my mum. I constantly feel like a burden and so often don’t tell my mother things to protect her and whilst I joke around saying it’s her fault it’s not serious. Interestingly enough I asked my mum what she would do in this case and she said she would refuse so not sure how to feel about that! She’s a nurse and until recently worked at a hospice so she believes in palliative care and making people comfortable. I’m never comfortable though nothing helps. 🦓
I've had M. E and Fibromyalgia for 20 years i honestly dont wish this illness on anybody thankfully I don't have it as bad as Lynn but can totally understand why the mother would help her I hope she's at peace
🧡🧡🧡hope you're doing alright x
What a beautiful woman. I'm sorry for her Mum and as a mother my self I know it must have been the hardest, yet most selfless act, a mother could do.
I AGREE 💯!!!!
She is a hero. She ended her suffering.
She created the suffering.
@@SumDumGai5 how can you be so cruel?
@@giuliam7323 Telling the truth is cruel, breeder?
@@giuliam7323 There's nothing more cruel than dragging people into this hellish existence.
@@SumDumGai5 wow you are so ignorant I can't belive this
Im a mother and grandma I understand her as the mother not wanting too watch her daughter suffer continue too be in pain and getting I support mom 💯🙏🏽her ❤ stays strong u have my support from around the 🌍from my home too ur ❤ i send u my love❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
God Bless you Mom and your beautiful daughter. I feel this was an unimaginable act of love and compassion you showed to your child. You and yours our in our families thoughts and prayers.
Her daughter was so beautiful. This just reminded me to cherish each day with my children. If my daughter were in this much pain, and she asked me to help her pass on, I would absolutely honor and respect her wishes.
I stand behind the mother a hundred percent. If we are told to put our pets or any animal done if they are suffering and nothing can be done for them but we can't do the same for loved ones? a lot of the people that have commented I fully agree with. I am glad she was cleared she did what was most humain for her daughter.
It took so much deep love for a Mum to stand by and watch her daughter take her own life. I don’t think anyone has the right to judge. We would never know unless we had been in the same situation.God bless both Kay and her daughter.
I'm so sorry for your pain and loss. This is part if why I decided that I could not have children. So unpredictable life is.
I lost 3 children 😭😭 life is tough but God has a reason for everything
So, so wise you are!!
Having kids is the hardest thing in the world... it’s like having your heart torn out of your chest, dangling over a precipice in 100 mile winds...most of the time.
I never had the level of fear/anxiety/depression until my children... never prayed that our life’s be taken together and be done with this world, until children.
Indeed, the unknown, the uncertainty is often intolerable...
I love my children and have grown as a person, way more empathetic, aware and selfless as a result of being their mother... but I do wonder how life would be without that overwhelming responsibility for other life, with the ability for my heart to be ripped apart at any moment.
And I used to be a nurse, who worked in critical settings...that was easy compared to being a mother.
This mother is wonderful. Her daughter was suffering and her daughter WANTED her mother to help her. She was suffering so badly.
I have lived in constant pain for the last 17 years. I relate strongly to this story. This mother is beautiful and strong and I wish only peace and love for her.
I'm sorry, Baroness, I don't agree with you though. It's not a mercy 'kill', it's respecting the wishes of your loved one who is unable to physically get out of what's making them painfully miserable in life, a mere existence. I'm sure these people don't do it lightheartedly, can you imagine what each individual in the family must be feeling? Such a sad story & plenty more of them out there sadly..
Life is beautiful! Stay and suffer!
Heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking. What a courageous mother. Rest in love sweet angel.
That’s so brave. I can’t imagine ever having to watch someone die especially taking the initiative to help her be comfortable when she couldn’t ask for it herself. That’s so so brave
I love the mom of this child. Her daughter had the mental capasity to decide what she wanted out of life and what she wanted to do with it. And I say her mom is the strongest woman to stay and go trew everything ups and downs her whole life and for her to do what she did out of love for her daughter is amazingly true love and understanding plus strength to be able to go trew with it all... This video shows the power of parents and uncodisional love.. Pls let them be. This isnt ur life it dose not interfear with ur life so let them be.. I would do the same for my child or I kbow my parents would do the same for me if that was an option and derision I wanted
I agree. It takes a LOT of strength to do what’s actually best rather than just continually hoping that they’ll get past this.
I think we should neither judge those who are in favour nor those against assisted suicide, you never know what you'd do in that situation.
People should be allowed to chose on their own without judgement.
What a great comment.. X of only it could work that way but there are some who would abuse the situation. Again a few spoiling it for genuine people who would never want to be facing such a heartbreaking situation. X
human euthanasia has to stop being stigmatized. why can we show compassion to animals who are suffering by deciding to put them down but we can’t do the same for people suffering? this goes for physical illnesses as well as unbearable mental illness. dying with dignity is far better than suicide.
People keep pointing out that the Baroness may have access to better care than Lynne, but they don't seem to recognize that not all disabilities are equal in severity. With ME/CFS often times a patient will be unable to sit up in a wheelchair to utilize it. Often ME patients need very limited stimuli (light, sound, tactile), and when they reach the type of severity Lynne did then this is even more crucial.
I also think using ME as a term opposed to CFS is more appropriate. People, including healthcare professionals, do not take CFS seriously and treat it as simply fatigue. While even in severe cases it will rarely kill someone, it has all the capability to be just as devastating as it was to Lynne
My dad in his final days would get morphine every four hours or he would just moan. His prostate cancer migrated to his bones and his weakened body had stroked. He was in palliative care at the hospital.We could not give him an overdose of morphine to end his pain but food and water had been discontinued. They would allow him to die over days but not humanely with his family at his side in a moment. As a family we were just fortunate that with seven children and my mom we were with my dad every moment from the time he stroked. We did shifts. Two of his sons were with him in the wee hours of the morning when he left us. Euthanasia was not available to my dad that had a no resuscitation order at the time. Canada has moved in the right direction in my opinion but things still need to be ironed out.
Went through a similar thing in Australia. It got to the point where we asked the nurses- and without saying the actual words- for "more pain relief". I still remember her looking at me for a moment and then agreeing.
He ended up passing while she out in the medication room but I'll be forever grateful for her willingness.
this is the exact reason why doctor-assisted suicide is legal in Canada, as it should be everywhere.
She was such a beautiful girl🌈 RIP🙏
Luckily in the Netherlands, a dear mother like her would not be trialed as the country has euthanasia laws in place. It's a shame that people have no say in their own birth and society is making it darn hard for people to have a say in their own ending. Hence all the desperate resorting to oncoming trains and hangings and such, with all the inherent risks of failure and injury.
if that was my child id do the same! we don't allow animals to suffer so why is ok to allow a human to, that woman would have spent the rest of her life bedridden, she was exsisting not living, so listening to that woman saying end of life choices are wrong is extremely ignorant, & considering she was suffering herself its mind boggling to hear such narrow views
I totally agree! Many people care about the value of human life. Yet, it doesn't seem like many of those people care about quality of life. Assisted suicide should be a last resort for anyone. Although, keeping a tortured person alive just because of superstition and tradition is not logical. People who value life need to realize that there isn't much of a life for someone if they're crying from pain everyday, without the chance if recovering and being able to live a life. Time for some of those people to develop their empathy.
@@avianearth2397 Couldn't agree with you more
@@Goldenretrieversandbengals A E Oops...I think that I forgot to give you a 👍 when I left that comment. 😁
I work in healthcare and I have seen things that no one should ever have to suffer through. I feel so deeply for this mother and her daughter. I hope the mother is doing as well as she can be now.
Well I live in Oregon, you can have asst suicide here. Like anything else, don’t believe in it, don’t do it. Everyone has a right to make their own decisions.
I just wanted to add That I didn’t want to seem glib or supporting it. I have no idea how I would feel in the situation or even if I could do it. I just believe that each person has a right to make that choice. It our bodies and life.
Boa Gaming totally agree bro
As a hospice nurse in the US, this mother is a hero for how she helped her daughter. She understands mercy. Adults should have the right to choose not to suffer anymore, and if they need help, there should be compassionate options available. In my state, we can withdraw all other treatment, including artificial nutrition and hydration, and allow a person to starve to death, but we can't do the human thing and help them leave this world peacefully and with dignity, if they so request. It's a messed up way of thinking. I've seen soany people die, and hospice is great at providing comfort, but sometimes hospice isn't good enough and sometimes people are ready to go now. Bless this mother for her strength in caring for her daughter, in every way possible.
And places like Belgium, Switzerland, and even states in the US that have right to die laws have already disproven the slippery slope arguments like the lawyer presents. Euthanasia has not become rampant, there are lots of safeguards in place, and the individual has to have capacity to make the decision themselves, other cannot make that decision for them. There is no slippery slope, it's a farce
I have CFS and Fibromyalgia for the last 26 years. I am in bed 90% of the time and in constant pain. My family doesn't believe I am really ill and has abdoned me. But when I was well I did so much for them.
I am going to be homeless soon. Suicide is something I think about all the time, now.
People if you have living family, hug them and tell them you love them. A lot.
Hi Susan
I am in the same position and my heart goes out to you
I have fibromylagia, chronic fatigue and little support.
Keep strong I understand it so awful when people dissappear when your ill and don't believe you because we have an Invisible illness.
Please contact fibromylagia action UK support line on
0300 999 3333
@@darcyhope8342 thank you so much for your response. I have improved somewhat in my feelings for my future.
England has a Fibro help line? That's cool. I'll have to see if we have one here in the states.
God bless and good health to you and yours.
@@SusanBrooklyn
Hi Susan
I believe you do in the usa
The line here is run by mainly fibromylagia suffers so they truly understand how you feel.
You could still phone that number it's cheap to ring UK with a phone card
Gentle hug
I’ve been sick for about 5 years with gastroparesis. It’s complete torture when you’re in pain for weeks at a time. Can’t eat. Can’t sleep. Just suffering. I’m tired of it. I commend this mother. She did what she had to do to help her child. I wish I had the same support. This mother is just a mother who’s helping her baby not suffer anymore. She’s innocent.
I have Very Severe ME as well as gastroparesis and I can't get a single provider in the state of New Mexico to treat me for anything because they say ME doesn't exist. 🙄
@@CricketGirrl I am so sorry omg. I’m from Canada so I know how privileged I have it over here. I’ll forever wish that all medications in the US were free! Also I’ve felt with so much terrible doctors and nurses who accused me of just being a drug addict and they didn’t believe I was as sick or in as much pain as I was in. I was literally going into the ER screaming and crying in pain and throwing up anything that went in my tummy. I always end up throwing up every single thing in my tummy so there’s nothing left but stomach acid coming out (sorry tmi) and they STILL DIDNT BELIEVE ME!
I was hospitalized about 50 times before they even tried to diagnose me so I feel your pain. My heart is with you! If you have Facebook there’s a gastroparesis support group and it’s helped wonders for me. I made new friends who are so supportive and any time you have questions or even just want to vent, then you can post in that group! I hope you join if you haven’t already! Sending lots of love and comfort to you! Especially healing energy and prayers! You are not alone. ♥️
What a beautiful loving mother, giving her daughter peace ❤️
My father had bladder cancer and suffered for years.
I expected him to ask me to help him and had he I would have said yes.
Thankfully he never asked but he did die a long drawn out painful death which I wish he hadn’t suffered so.
I think his belief in God kept him from considering that avenue.
💛
while my heart is breaking for this mother i just have to say one thing. she should have video taped her daughter giving the injection and her stating she is doing this to herself
The Steph and Steve Show
The problem with this, is that people can be coerced...so it doesn’t necessarily stand as “proof”.
In addition... most people don’t support videoing someone’s death. It strikes me as very immoral.
God bless you Kay, no one could have wished for a more caring mother.
why do we feel the need to tell people they can live or die? you don't know the pain or anything. maybe you wouldn't want tout die but its not up to you. out of all the things other people try to control death should not be one of them.
My grandad had motonuron disease and it took him 11 years to die trapped in his own body and suffocating to death. Wish that was available to him .