Derm is my dream job. Hard to break into it. For any new PA’s I recommend doing a rotation in derm and networking. Derm PA see a lot of patients in clinic. Our bonuses as PA’s is a joke. It’s better to negotiate higher paying salary and picking up extra to boost income. Just my 2 cents:
It’s unfortunate that the AAPA salary survey is not 100% accurate. Not all PAs submit their annual compensation to AAPA which skews the results. I often hear much higher base salaries for those top 5 that you listed. However, My contacts who do work in those specialties do live in Phoenix, which is a large city. For example, a dermatology PA in Phoenix after compensation may earn 250k+, I know some who are up to 400K yearly. Imagine if all PAs were required to submit their annual earnings to AAPA, I’d expect the median salary for PAs to be substantially higher. Great video!
Thanks for the comment PD and I totally agree! These reports are only as good as the info they can collect and there are a TON of PAs who don't answer these surveys. It would be great to see a true report of what people actually are making! I'm sure there are PAs and NPS who are making some serious money!
I've talked to 3 or 4 PAs in emergency medicine in NC that make close to 200,000 a year. I also know 1 that has 2 years experience as a PA-C in psychiatry making 230,000. I intended to do psychiatry long before I knew I wanted to be a PA, so I'm happy with that number LOL. From my understanding not only does compensation as a PA increase in more expensive areas, but also for the need of a PA in a particular specialty. Psychiatry and psychology in NC have a huge need, and therefore a higher pay. This is only my particular state and in no way is a counter to the averages, but just some first-hand questioning of people I talked to about a job I want.
That's excellent Jordan. Thanks for sharing! I absolutely am sure there are many PA's who are making way higher salaries. It's just so variable based on how many shifts someone picks up in the ER or what part of the country they live in, etc.
Most states don't take PA for psychiatry role, but they can be hired for medical role in psychiatric facilities and I have met a couple of them. If you want to do psychiatry, it is better you go the psychiatric nurse practitioner route or psychiatrist route. With that you can bill for both psychiatric med management and therapy and even open ur private clinic in over 25 states. PMHNP has extensive clinical rotations in therapy and psychiatric unlike PA school and other NP specialties that did only one semester of psychiatric rotation. The PA-C you talking about here might take residency or additional training in mental health after PA school or he might be doing both medical and psychiatric duties together or travel jobs or taking calls. Your PA-C friends definitely making alot of money than average. I also know PA-C makes a lot in Orthopedic, Emergency room
@@AggiBlessed You make a really good point and I did consider this. I do know that if, for example, I were to move to a state that does not have PA-C jobs directly under a Psychiatrist, my next option could be Trauma/ED. I've been working in EMS for about a year now and will be upgrading to Paramedic shortly. A significant preparation for school itself and understanding the job in the hospital setting. Psychiatry, trauma, and neuro are great specialties if you can find them.
I agree PAs need to be paid fairly for our services, but it's certainly not the case that NPs are always paid more. That is a very case by case basis. If anyone is facing a situation where they are being offered less than an NP for the same job, they need to stand up for themselves and ask the administration why. We bill at the same rate, so unless there are other unknown circumstances, the pay should be comparable. The one instance that may make a difference is in states where NPs have independent practice, but OTP for PAs has not passed yet. Then there could be an argument that the decreased pay is to cover the cost of reimbursing physicians for supervision. So, if we PAs want to make sure we are not relegated to third class providers, we all need to support our state and national organizations, as well as contribute to our PACs. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
Hi, how does one get into PA Field (education n training needed). I have an MBA n BS in technology from U of Arkansas.Ultimately getting Obesity Med certified. Pls advice . Thanks. Ps, i ve liked in your LinkedIn sm as well
To start, you have to have a bachelor's degree, which can be in anything, however, there are many science prerequisites that you will need for PA school, so most people get some sort of science degree. If you didn't have those classes, you can go back to school to just get the needed classes. Every school has their own requirements and usually the classes have to have been taken within the past 5 years. You also need to have some patient care experience (PCE) as well as shadowing and./or volunteering experience. Then most schools also require a GRE or a PA-CAT examine. PA school is highly competitive and some people end up applying to multiple programs a couple of years in a row before making it in. Once accepted, most programs are around 27 months and you graduate with a master's degree. After graduation you then take a national certifying exam called the PANCE. It is a long process and I advise people to be 100% sure it is what they want before diving in! Hope this answered your question!
Sorry Monica, I don't. I just spent a little while trying to find the answer, but didn't see anything that addressed ortho surgery / sports medicine directly. Good news is that I never saw it come up when articles discussed the specialties with the worst burnout!
I much prefer to see a P.A. than an M.D. without question as they spend much more time with the patient and explain things until you have a complete understanding . Again extra effort and time ! My son is a physicians assistant and is worked to the bone. However, he absolutely loves it. He basically from what I understand. The doctors are either nonexistent, but only a phone call away or sitting on there, butts. Nurses, we all know are overworked, now with the PA on Staff they basically are the secondary to the nurse as far as doing the majority of the medical work. At some point the doctor will come in and affirm the diagnosis given that’s about the only time you will see the doctor. Some people prefer to see only a doctor. Possibly by seeing a Doctor Who believe they might have is maybe the doctor knows more. Well, I hate to break the news the physicians assistant are pretty darn knowledgeable, mostly because they are more up-to-date on the newer problems and other
Many NPs and PAs see their patients entirely. No MD sees those patients at any point. That advanced practice person is their primary care provider. My primary care is a PA
We hear that often! And as someone commented, we often work without a physician seeing our patients at all. It is not required and not the norm, unless you are in a hospital setting.. PAs are very capable providers and often have good rapport with patients. I will say that no one who works in medicine, including doctors are "sitting on their butts". Most everyone is way overworked! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Would love to be a fy on the wall and watch a doctor for a day. See what they do each second, watch them pull test results and hear their train of thought. Seems fascinating all that training to come to their conclusion. I think its pretty dope.
Interestingly, I've been working in Critical Care at the SAME facility for 34 years, and work with my 3 other PA colleagues who have worked here in our practice for 26 years, 19 years, and 12 years respectively. Despite our long hrs, the work is extremely satisfying and we all feel we are compensated fairly. Luckily for us, it's certainly higher than the median salary reported to the AAPA for those in CV Surgery. Considering we are a teaching facility as well, "burnout" has definitely increased over the past 8-10 years or so, is pervasive amongst seemingly all newer clinicians, be it docs, PA's, ARNP's, nurses, etc. Work ethic has suffered as of late it appears, and it seems frustrations at this facility seems to be tied into wanting to work fewer hours, have fewer responsibilities, yet believe they deserve higher pay despite not having to work for it. Truth be told too, how well one is treated in their respective practice plays a large role too. But then again, maybe our practice is truly a Unicorn! 🙂 Excellent video and look forward to your next one! 👍
Did you guess what #1 was correctly? What do you think about these salaries and burnout rates?
Derm is my dream job. Hard to break into it. For any new PA’s I recommend doing a rotation in derm and networking. Derm PA see a lot of patients in clinic.
Our bonuses as PA’s is a joke. It’s better to negotiate higher paying salary and picking up extra to boost income. Just my 2 cents:
@@AA-nl5bl Thanks for that input!
It’s unfortunate that the AAPA salary survey is not 100% accurate. Not all PAs submit their annual compensation to AAPA which skews the results.
I often hear much higher base salaries for those top 5 that you listed. However, My contacts who do work in those specialties do live in Phoenix, which is a large city. For example, a dermatology PA in Phoenix after compensation may earn 250k+, I know some who are up to 400K yearly.
Imagine if all PAs were required to submit their annual earnings to AAPA, I’d expect the median salary for PAs to be substantially higher.
Great video!
Thanks for the comment PD and I totally agree! These reports are only as good as the info they can collect and there are a TON of PAs who don't answer these surveys. It would be great to see a true report of what people actually are making! I'm sure there are PAs and NPS who are making some serious money!
Loved this one! not sure how I missed it. your ideas for topics just get better and better! how shocking is occ med?
I know, right! I couldn't believe occ med was #5! Thanks Sharon!
Its very helpful.thank you so much
Glad you found it helpful!
I've talked to 3 or 4 PAs in emergency medicine in NC that make close to 200,000 a year. I also know 1 that has 2 years experience as a PA-C in psychiatry making 230,000. I intended to do psychiatry long before I knew I wanted to be a PA, so I'm happy with that number LOL. From my understanding not only does compensation as a PA increase in more expensive areas, but also for the need of a PA in a particular specialty. Psychiatry and psychology in NC have a huge need, and therefore a higher pay. This is only my particular state and in no way is a counter to the averages, but just some first-hand questioning of people I talked to about a job I want.
That's excellent Jordan. Thanks for sharing! I absolutely am sure there are many PA's who are making way higher salaries. It's just so variable based on how many shifts someone picks up in the ER or what part of the country they live in, etc.
Most states don't take PA for psychiatry role, but they can be hired for medical role in psychiatric facilities and I have met a couple of them. If you want to do psychiatry, it is better you go the psychiatric nurse practitioner route or psychiatrist route. With that you can bill for both psychiatric med management and therapy and even open ur private clinic in over 25 states. PMHNP has extensive clinical rotations in therapy and psychiatric unlike PA school and other NP specialties that did only one semester of psychiatric rotation. The PA-C you talking about here might take residency or additional training in mental health after PA school or he might be doing both medical and psychiatric duties together or travel jobs or taking calls. Your PA-C friends definitely making alot of money than average. I also know PA-C makes a lot in Orthopedic, Emergency room
@@AggiBlessed You make a really good point and I did consider this. I do know that if, for example, I were to move to a state that does not have PA-C jobs directly under a Psychiatrist, my next option could be Trauma/ED. I've been working in EMS for about a year now and will be upgrading to Paramedic shortly. A significant preparation for school itself and understanding the job in the hospital setting. Psychiatry, trauma, and neuro are great specialties if you can find them.
PAs need to get paid more. NPs in the same role make more.
I agree PAs need to be paid fairly for our services, but it's certainly not the case that NPs are always paid more. That is a very case by case basis. If anyone is facing a situation where they are being offered less than an NP for the same job, they need to stand up for themselves and ask the administration why. We bill at the same rate, so unless there are other unknown circumstances, the pay should be comparable. The one instance that may make a difference is in states where NPs have independent practice, but OTP for PAs has not passed yet. Then there could be an argument that the decreased pay is to cover the cost of reimbursing physicians for supervision. So, if we PAs want to make sure we are not relegated to third class providers, we all need to support our state and national organizations, as well as contribute to our PACs. Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
Thats not true in most cases. As NP, I have met alot of PA-C that make more money than NP. It base on states and specialities.
Hi, how does one get into PA Field (education n training needed). I have an MBA n BS in technology from U of Arkansas.Ultimately getting Obesity Med certified. Pls advice . Thanks. Ps, i ve liked in your LinkedIn sm as well
To start, you have to have a bachelor's degree, which can be in anything, however, there are many science prerequisites that you will need for PA school, so most people get some sort of science degree. If you didn't have those classes, you can go back to school to just get the needed classes. Every school has their own requirements and usually the classes have to have been taken within the past 5 years. You also need to have some patient care experience (PCE) as well as shadowing and./or volunteering experience. Then most schools also require a GRE or a PA-CAT examine. PA school is highly competitive and some people end up applying to multiple programs a couple of years in a row before making it in. Once accepted, most programs are around 27 months and you graduate with a master's degree. After graduation you then take a national certifying exam called the PANCE. It is a long process and I advise people to be 100% sure it is what they want before diving in! Hope this answered your question!
by any chance, do you know the burnout rate and median rate for orthopedic surgery or sports medicine?
Sorry Monica, I don't. I just spent a little while trying to find the answer, but didn't see anything that addressed ortho surgery / sports medicine directly. Good news is that I never saw it come up when articles discussed the specialties with the worst burnout!
I much prefer to see a P.A. than an M.D. without question as they spend much more time with the patient and explain things until you have a complete understanding . Again extra effort and time !
My son is a physicians assistant and is worked to the bone. However, he absolutely loves it. He basically from what I understand. The doctors are either nonexistent, but only a phone call away or sitting on there, butts.
Nurses, we all know are overworked, now with the PA on Staff they basically are the secondary to the nurse as far as doing the majority of the medical work. At some point the doctor will come in and affirm the diagnosis given that’s about the only time you will see the doctor. Some people prefer to see only a doctor. Possibly by seeing a Doctor Who believe they might have is maybe the doctor knows more. Well, I hate to break the news the physicians assistant are pretty darn knowledgeable, mostly because they are more up-to-date on the newer problems and other
Many NPs and PAs see their patients entirely. No MD sees those patients at any point. That advanced practice person is their primary care provider. My primary care is a PA
We hear that often! And as someone commented, we often work without a physician seeing our patients at all. It is not required and not the norm, unless you are in a hospital setting.. PAs are very capable providers and often have good rapport with patients. I will say that no one who works in medicine, including doctors are "sitting on their butts". Most everyone is way overworked! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Would love to be a fy on the wall and watch a doctor for a day. See what they do each second, watch them pull test results and hear their train of thought. Seems fascinating all that training to come to their conclusion. I think its pretty dope.
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Oncology is #1 w/o finishing the vid
Explain please!?! 😃
Critical care is a high burn out specialty and not in the top highest paying specialties.
Yep, that's certainly a difficult specialty and deserves higher pay! Is that the specialty you work in?
@@TheMedicineCouch Yes, that is correct.
Interestingly, I've been working in Critical Care at the SAME facility for 34 years, and work with my 3 other PA colleagues who have worked here in our practice for 26 years, 19 years, and 12 years respectively. Despite our long hrs, the work is extremely satisfying and we all feel we are compensated fairly. Luckily for us, it's certainly higher than the median salary reported to the AAPA for those in CV Surgery. Considering we are a teaching facility as well, "burnout" has definitely increased over the past 8-10 years or so, is pervasive amongst seemingly all newer clinicians, be it docs, PA's, ARNP's, nurses, etc. Work ethic has suffered as of late it appears, and it seems frustrations at this facility seems to be tied into wanting to work fewer hours, have fewer responsibilities, yet believe they deserve higher pay despite not having to work for it. Truth be told too, how well one is treated in their respective practice plays a large role too. But then again, maybe our practice is truly a Unicorn! 🙂
Excellent video and look forward to your next one! 👍