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From what I remember, Jello can't use his own account in the Creator-Server he opted to not use it anyways and instead focus on testing the characters more in depth after release. I guess that's another reason to not bother with Hoyos preferences.
i mean this has been up for an hour and it's got 7,500 views. if he leaves it up for a year it'll get 65 million views, which is more than a hoyo partnership pays
we have enough pyro dps, so I really hope we get buffs to her buffing and off-field damage. powercreeping two four stars (benny and xiangling) is way smarter and will make way more money than powercreeping limited 5 star dps'
It blows my mind that they aren’t even focusing on that part of her kit. Seems like a loss but I know a lot of people are still going to pull for her regardless.
@ yeah true. i pre-farmed for her since she is an archon, so i assumed she would have a good off field presence with some buffing like the other archons.. but if she’s just another dps it will have even such a waste 😭
@@itslumi. aww man I’m sorry about the pre-farm time!! 😔 I hadn’t gotten to Mav and I’m glad I hadn’t bc I’m settled for my pyro DPSs w Arlecchino and Lyney, but I was pre farming some of Citlali’s mats thinking she was going to be closer to Zhongli’s shield scalings. Now I’m debating whether or not to pull grandpappy geo instead…
@ yeah it’s disappointing. both mauvika and citlali sound like a skip arm. i hope they buff them. kinich mualani and xilo are all so good, it would be such a waste to make two super hyped characters bad
I'm pretty disappointed with Mavuika's direction: she is going to be neither a Bennett replacement nor a proper XL one. Just from looking at her animations it's obvious her off-field is not going to be a focus for her. So we are left with yet another on-field pyro dps how joyous....
@@namelessking9068 maybe some players grew attached to xiangling for the last 4 years and funneling all the energy to her is fun to them. It's not like mavuika's is on a skill and doesn't require energy.
@@namelessking9068 XL can already be replaced by Dehya in some teams, so Mavu being better in those is not really exciting news to me. And that is my main issue. She doesn't excite me as an off-field character. She has a decaying buff that is reliant on natlan chars to even be ok and she has decent damage off-field but nothing you build around and the animation on her off-field skill might as well not exist.... you just see red numbers every now and then.
i never like taking nerfs or buffs seriously during beta, i’ll judge the character when they actually come out in game, fr when Mualani got nerfed in beta everyone doom posted how she was gonna drop off a cliff and she ended up being one of the best dps in the game, when Clorinde’s skill duration got lowered in beta everyone said it made her bottom tier but that wasn’t true either, we really don’t know at all until they’re in game
Imo mualani doom posting was deserved. Yes, she still came out with good numbers, but you are getting the same dmg as other top dps with the most gimmicky gameplay - just as expected. If anything on release she was even worse cs we didn't know how bad puffer mechanic woud be.
many mualani HP% dmg alterations (V3 debuff reduced sharky dmg and following buffs at V4 for ult and nightsoul amounts) at the last beta just shows that it's better to hold from calcs before numbers are set in stone, the current onfield dps nerfs (which ngl are kinda warranted) and wording changes on passives and sig weapon seen to lead on to off field alterations latter on (which are the real interesting part and what people REALLY WANT to see in mavu)
@@ferend4038 I don't find her her gimmick, she is fun for me. Also she manages out dps other dpss. She is not about comfort. If I wanted comfort I would run Zhongli on every team. It's nice to maximize her potential. And She is only going to get stronger. Saying her damage is around other dps level more of a coping mechanic for people. Unless you are purposefully avoiding her puffers you are not going to miss them coz they come to you. If you are speed running something no other character is better than her except against hydro immune enemies. This is coming from someone who has both Neuvilette and Mualani.
@@robinj4286I was one of those who thought she was mid. Then got the hang out of her. Just wait until Mavuika comes around to replace Xiangling. She will break the game with her toonforce.
"Neuvilette didn't shine truly until furina came out" *Throwback to the Solo Neuvillette runs being top 5 most popular team to clear abyss 36 stars in 4.1 and 4.2*
IMHO, they should reduce her personal damage just a tiny bit, but buff her support/buff abilities, that way her increased buffs raise her own damage enough to compensate... but primarily i wish her flat atk buff was team wide, and her application was just .5 seconds faster, plus unlimited ICD on all of her kit components... or a 1.5 second ICD on each aspect of the kit, independently.
Lan Yan could be the comfort pick that the classic Sucrose taser teams needed. Combined with the reaction damage buff and Ororon bringing the Cinder City Scroll set to the mix, that team could really be something. Also, I just want to say that I think people are viewing Citlali the wrong way. Not every character that has a shield has to take a "shielder" role. She applies off-field cryo in a large AoE, she shreds res, she can hold the Cinder City set, and take your pick of buffing catalysts; the small shield is nice, but ancillary.
Ngl i feel like lanyan is the final piece for ororon +fischl taser team since the issue with that team is your only source of survivability is Xingqiu. Hmm... i wonder if yelan could also be useful here? Since maybe Lanyan could provide some defensive utility. Though yelan's buff might be kind of useless for lanyan except maybe if lanyan is played on a Em/EM crit build? Though i think full em is the more preferable route.
@@usmanya5110 Yeah it's interesting, isn't it? I thought the same thing about Yelan, though honestly the main thing she provides is a shorter/more comfortable rotation albeit at the cost of her burst animation wasting a little time. I'm honestly not sure how much the hydro application off Xingqiu's little rotating swords contributes to the amount of elemental reactions either. I can't imagine there's a huge difference between them. It'll be fun to experiment with that, and with Lan Yan builds. It's good that she has some flexibility in her builds, makes it easier to find good pieces for her.
I think it’s wild that even with the changes they kept Mavuika as on field being the best playstyle for her with her off field still not being archon level. I don’t need another 5 star pyro on fielder, I want a 5 star pyro off fielder.
@@vexxobex7333 the thing about mavuika right now is that her on field is too good compared to her off field that not playing her as off field is a big damage loss. They should close the gap between both playstyles
@izzme5204 what im seeing is that they try to bring it closer to each other, but fr who wouldn’t want a motorcycle archon to not do big dmg, especially her drifting atk having such high scaling thats fun asf, also her kit fits extremely good to her archon character, strong on field because shes strong as hell as archon, by being very supportive of her folk off field. Her only being off field after showing how strong she in fights would make no sense.
@@vexxobex7333 I mean, zhongli is a shield bot and venti is venti so I kinda give up trying to tie in lore with in game kit. I hope ifa or xbalanque is our xiangling+ Bennet powercreep since mavuika isn't
Wondering how the relationship between genshin and their ccs are seeing as there has been problems with prerelease videos most ccs now have to pull the unit, extensively test, then make a post about it. There was prerelease issues like not letting people use the spiral abyss. It’s also interesting since Jello seemed to be a CC that was closer to hoyo and now if he’s covering leaks that could jeopardize his relationship going forward or already has.
I’m rly considering skipping mavuika to get Citlali c2 I prefer Citlali a lot more lore and character wise and I got a hunch that mavuika will have a rerun a LOT sooner than Citlali 💀
@ idk she just feels a little generic to me, she’s probably one of my least favorites character wise. Her motorcycle and stuff is cool asf but she’s just boring to look at for me
I hope they lean into Citlali’s damage more so Shenhe + Citlali can be a good core for Melt Arlecchino. Shenhe’s normal attack buff does apply to Arlecchino so she’s doing about as much as Candace for her.
Posted aove so ignore copy paste. Theory crafters had to promote it harder now because after calcs came out the said she was the best dps... but then after her melt was deemed impractical, because it required you to either imput really really fast which wasnt practical for realistic situations or slow down her already long rotation time. some people did calcs for melt arlecchino, it was said to be at least one percent better then the furina varrent. So if the melt was impractical and the furina was weaker, then their claim that mavuka was the best dps was gonna have egg all over it. So they promoted it harder to save credability. Now its not even a debate on whos better. The v3 mavukas melt is close or barely stronger than the v2 furina varrent meaning melt arlechhino might be the new meta. With out needing so many 5 stars and team restriction and icd issues as the team calculated was arl citlai rosaria and bennet. With arl being 1.03% stronger in the explanation than the furina version of version 2. 107 melt v3(new) and 106 (vape) old mavuika.
@@crwn_clwnthe point is her strongest and encouraged play style is a boring beyblade that's mechanically simpler than Neuvillette and probably just done so mobile players don't have to mechanic much.
@@amandaslough125 yeah this is just 10th pyro onfielder and half baked off field support. Natlan locked, no archon level uptime, but strong enough onfield to be a noob toy
What kinda sucks to me at least is that they don't seem to pick a focus for her. They want her to be an off-fielder and on-fielder hybrid but don't let her truly shine in either by nerfing both directly. My wish was that she was a Xiangling replacement for Melt Wrio, but when they made her on-field style better than off-field, I just thought they'd leave it at that, but now they nerfed on-field too?? Idk what they're trying to do with her, just make her do good Pyro application and buffing off-field, I'm tired of Xiangling's horrible energy requirements, for God's sake!!!
I was hoping for a longer duration for off-field pyro units for the sake of Chevreuse Cynoverload teams. I'm using Dehya, and 12 seconds is nowhere close to long enough. Cyno needs like 18-20 seconds to last through his burst, which he needs in order to get enough energy so he can burst again.
That's why ppl don't give themselves high expectations about something they weren't promised. With some thought it was pretty easy to see it coming though
Why would she be the fastest ? She doesn't have as much AOE coverage as Neuvillette, doesn't synergize with groupers all that well and isn't very good at shield breaking. She's super strong, don't get me wrong but not sure about the fastest
@@lafeechloe6998 she clears abyss faster than anyone else under the same cost of team, what does that mean to you? "anyone else" also includes neuvi and arle, so she's factually the fastest to clear abyss as long as you have a baseline of understanding how she works.
Absoluty not the fastest , rotation is trash because xiangling 300 % er , you can't have xiangling Burst every rotation without spending time to refil xiangling er , so the rotation is clunky, you lose time and damage because this team can't burst or support correctly every rotation , she's a good character but better team exist . And even if you like her or it's you favorite doesn't makes her the best or the fastest character . With constelation maybe but i assume you talking about c0.
Glad to hear Jello admitting using Xiangling is annoying for Mualani, which what I've said during the Mualani video vs TGS's recommended highlight Dehya Teams. Till Today I am still using dehya as Xiangling needs 300ER if not you need massive amount mobs in the abyss. It's copium at best and it leads to Reset Impact, smh when one isn't a speedrunner but resort to spamming resets because Gouba sucks.
I have to go out of my way to think about not using Dehya with her, she's feels so good to use. The only other option I'd say is Thoma, but I keep changing my mind on if I rather have him with Kinich or Mualani if I'm using both on each side.
@@amandaslough125 There is another option with Mualani, you can use Xianyin with high def or slab petra on her and give Kachina Instructor. Having, Kachina, Xilo Xinyan pretty much secure your shield strength, unless you do alot of mistakes. Geo resonance for Mualani isn't that bad and CN players been using this in quite awhile.
But Arle and Neuv are not stuck with premium supporters from their region like Mavuika for their peak damage, are they? You always talk about the future potential of units, but you say nothing about that here, why?
Posted aove so ignore copy paste. Theory crafters had to promote it harder now because after calcs came out the said she was the best dps... but then after her melt was deemed impractical, because it required you to either imput really really fast which wasnt practical for realistic situations or slow down her already long rotation time. some people did calcs for melt arlecchino, it was said to be at least one percent better then the furina varrent. So if the melt was impractical and the furina was weaker, then their claim that mavuka was the best dps was gonna have egg all over it. So they promoted it harder to save credability. Now its not even a debate on whos better. The v3 mavukas melt is close or barely stronger than the v2 furina varrent meaning melt arlechhino might be the new meta. With out needing so many 5 stars and team restriction and icd issues as the team calculated was arl citlai rosaria and bennet. With arl being 1.03% stronger in the explanation than the furina version of version 2. 107 melt v3(new) and 106 (vape) old mavuika.
My main account has all the archons, but I’m really considering skipping Mavuika there on her debut and maybe even until next year. I feel like I’d only be pulling her to have all the archons and not really use her. 😕 There are too many pyro on-field DPS! Maybe I’ll pull her on my other two accounts, but the one that has the most Natlan characters to pair with Mavuika is also F2P so…
For Lanyan, since you can get double charges on skill, that means you can theoretically loop the shielding potential indefinitely with sacfrags. Sacfrags CD is 16s, meaning you get: 1 cast, the refund cast timed at 8 seconds, the second cast, the first cast again, sacsword CD cast, rinse and repeat.
That's exactly, what I'm saying. It takes a natlan character to powercreep that one snezhnayan character released in fontaine patches, how much more will be on the future patches? At that point, pulling who you love is all that matters.
I’m very disappointed the dev team really thought the best idea for the Pyro archon was to make her yet another on field DPS. She would sell double if she were a direct Xiangling and/or Bennet replacement. Hoyo is fumbling this one bad. Won’t be pulling if they don’t beef up her off field capabilities.
Mavuika as a support feels a step down from previous archons and a meta oversight from the game design perspective, she's the strong character no one needed or asked for.
@@SuperBeanSquad I'm more confused on why people wanted yet another archon to be used as a E-bot with 0.1 seconds being on field. They can release pyro off-field support any time they want, but archons are only once a year, ain't no way ppl really want the E-button #3000 on their account
@@holeintuni Because an "e bot" pyro off-field DPS is role that doesn't exist. We have one good off-field Pyro damage dealer and it's Xiangling. We have _three_ solid on-field DPS options, one of which is commonly considered the second best DPS in the game. What is Mavuika bringing to the table that Arlecchino doesn't?
Lanyan is actually pretty broken if she does not have a big flaw because she seems to check all boxes pretty well, she can use vv, has decent uptime , meaningfull buffs and cc to top it all off?!! i can actually see her being used as a f2p version of zhongli
Had anyone seen calcs of mauvika as an off field dps in comparison to Xiangling? The vids ive seen say she is fine off field but would be dumb to put her there because of how good her on field dmg is. I haven't seen actual numbers yet.
When her on-field dmg is as good as arle, then all the other attributes in her kit are bonuses as an archon. Off-field pyro app And dmg buff to other teammates are because she is an archon. Some people just expect her to excel in every aspect of the game. Like neuvi or mualani are the best dmg dealers on-field, but that's it, no off-field capabilities. But mavuika is good in both on and off-field! That's crazy enough.
The story thus far as I understand it: Everybody: WE WANT A 5 STAR XL REPLACEMENT Hoyo: how about a hilariously strong on field pyro dps. Everybody: NO WE WANT A STRONG OFF FIELD PYRO APPLICATOR Hoyo: ok how about a mediocre strong on field pyro dps. Everybody: ...
@@ronnieketchum1241 My default ass Arlecchino overload team only uses 1 burst (Fischl). My Chasca can beat the Wayob out of the suck stance without any of the other characfers doing anything. There are plently of characters that can do things without a burst. Xiangling just isn't one if them.
I kinda give up after seeing Mavuika's kit, after being loyal to Genshin for 3-4 years i decided to try WuWa and got surprised with how much i enjoyed the game. The only major downside is that it requires slightly stronger device since it runs on Unreal Engine 4. I might permanently stop my Welkin subscription if they don't buff Mavuika's off-field utility to reach at least Xiangling's level.
She's gonna be stronger than Arle because she has perfect synergy with Furina unlike Arle and she has a better artifact set with obsidian codex over glad. According to math experts their on field damage alone is about the same so Mavuika having better synergies mean she's just flat better.
@@foxmountain8065 And Mavuika is pretty bad without Xilonen, i would say without Xilo her performance is at best Hu Tao lvl. And if you do not have Citlali as well - Mavuika is unplayable
I'm most excited for Lan Yan especially after these changes! I still don't know what Pyro traveller will be so I'm looking forward to your video on it. Keep up the good work Jello!
debatable, they are pretty equal right now, espeically if Arle has Citlali in team. On the other hand we have Mavuika that does pretty bad dmg without Xilonen
My Arlecchino C2R1 does the job. Unlike Mavuika, Arlecchino has some flexibility team wise and does not need Xilonen. Mavuika (yet another on field pyro dps) seems pretty specific and Ltd with her teams and needing another Natlan Character in her team. Unless something changes, Mavuika will be a skip… Arlecchino is also self sustaining.
@@TheGwilwileththe only cons of mavuika you could say was her requiring xilonen...so what ? ...she just needs anyone natlan character not just xilonen... Xilonen might be the best for her as she is a cracked support in the entire game but you can use citlali as well .and for Xilonen havers this is not much of a problem... But arle, can't use furina, needs bennet and then that circle impact is so irritating, plus she can't get healed , her Burst is only used in panick situations which most of the times reset the rotations, needs zhongli for comfort, at single target you need to wait for a few seconds (but only this one might be solved by the team setup)
If Mavuika ends up being NOT a sub-DPS I might as well go for Citlali and save for Ifa I was hoping to get Mavuika for my Kinich team but if she turns out not team-buffing oriented I might as well stick with Dehya with him instead
If current predictions for Pyro MC hold up, you could use them as well. The last info I saw was they have co-ordinated Pyro attacks on their skill and can hold Cinder City artifact set. You may need a Sacrificial Sword if they keep the cooldowns messed up, but you’re already playing Dehya so I assume you can work with skill downtime,
Every archon before had reinvented the meta is some way. zhongli was a must pull for a while for his def shred and shield being the perfect support especially for hu tao. raiden's skill is still amazing till this day for overload and hyperbloom, buffing ults, energy generation... nahida enabled all kinds of dendro teams and made EM useful. Furina completely switched the meta, enabling healers who at that point were considered useless if youre good enough and is still the most used character ever. The way it is now, mauvika is just another pyro dps that can do some off field dmg?? So much potential, lost
Thank you for the video. I really appreciate how detailed your videos are. I’m very excited about both new 5 star characters. Farming like crazy 😂 I hope Citlali shield improves.
I need Lan Yan to provide shields to active characters. I hate when a supports can’t use there support abilities to the fullest in co-op. Don’t fuck it up Hoyo.
is not thou? and it is kinda obvious she will get nerf like every beta character and even if she gets nerf if she is still powerful as arle then is a great nerf if not then is a bad nerf, like who would want a character if she is weak?
@@ziancarvenreynoso9191 I'm not saying she should be weak, I'm more speaking to the fact that some people are excusing her pre-nerf state, saying that " she should powercreep Arlecchino because she's an Archon". I believe that this is a highly unhealthy way of thinking about the game, and will just lead to more powercreep and FOMO should Hoyo cater to this philosophy.
@@yerriff8115 Powercreeping is a normal thing thou? But ofc not like this it should be timed right arle didn't have her first rerun yet and powercreeping is normal in games too
@@yerriff8115 well Mavuika have a cons thou for using her as a main dps you really want her with another natlan character to fully utilize her dps potential so that kinda balance it out even thou she does powercrept arle you still need her team Requirement to fully function
@@ziancarvenreynoso9191 Powercreep might be somewhat normal, but no one should be happy with how busted pre-nerf Mavuika was. And again, I'm criticizing people for using lore strength to excuse said powercreep. It's not excusable for Mavuika, just as it wasn't excusable for Neuvillette.
I've been playing since 3.8 and still have no Sucrose, so I'm actually excited for Lan Yan. I hope to see some testing of Mavuika on non-Natlan teams to see if anything is even remotely viable. I know I'm not the only person who skipped other Natlan characters to save for her, only to learn about the restriction.
Not interested in another on field pyro dps. Mavuika does not look like she will be a big upgrade to my Kinich team…Not sure I am willing to throw primos at her unless she will make a noticeable difference on my account. Instead of Mavuika I may take another look at Citlali….or just keep saving.
I think she already is an upgrade to kinich since she herself can hold cinder city. Though if you're playing emilie it's gonna be hard to slot in a deepwood user. Bennett is a must and he's not gonna apply alot.
I'm fine with the changes. I'm not overly excited for granny or the archon. But I'm a sucker for shielders of each element so I'm very interested in Lan Yan even if she winds up being not that great (and I already have Layla and Diona).
Low shield scaling is the opposite of a comfort option. I'd rather take Qiqi over that but Zhongli is obviously the best and guess what, he is going to get a banner first. Can I get a Citali skin for my Zhongli please or something? The only thing good in this character now is her looks. A reminder : ZHONGLI ALSO HAS BETTER RES SHRED. 20% for all elements instead of just two.
Exactly man, lets just make a xiangling replacement now, like how hard can it be.. if not a complete replacement then make a 5 star xiangling with good ER generation not like 250Er and yet no burst up time like that of xiangling.. i like the way you explained, we want a proper pyro support with good pyro application, good ER and not 20s CD
I'm really excited to try Lanyan in my Clorinde aggravate team. My dodging skills are not good enough, so if I wanna take this team to the abyss - I have to switch from Kazuha to Zhongli, which obv affects team damage output. It looks like an anemo shielder who can utilise both VV and tds is going to be an amazing option!
tbh she's limited to natlan teams to do arle's amount of damage. she's tied to xilonen and wants even more natlan characters if possible and if not straight up steals your furina. that's not very good for an archon tho it's still beta.
@skrypnykk.770 if they nerf her anymore than this she's straight up skipable. her off field abilities aren't much better than xiangling because she applies 1u pyro every 2s which is too little. if she had like 4u pyro and off field party buffs without natlan teammates I don't think ppl would be as disappointed with her. hoyo like that motorcycle too much so they made her a main dps😭
Mavuika off field getting nerfed and her being primarily a main dps would be sad but it would be fine IF they make up for it making pyro traveler a great off field applicator that can replace XL and Bennit
just for ppl wich wonder about citlalis shield strength. a tripple em build with ttds and cinder city should be around 11k. with her sig its will be around 15k for comparison. diona with tripple hp% has a 11.5 k shield. leyla with tripple hp%, dockhand and tenacity set has around 18k the 4 stars are calculated lvl 90 and c6 with lvl 13 talents if you want to max citlalis shield because you play her with xilonen. citlali with her sig and the tenacity set has a 19 k shield
I’m conflicted with Mavuika’s kit, as am archon or course I was planning on getting her, however I have Arlechinno C1R1 and I don’t know if I should pull for Mavuika at all, I don’t need another pyro DPS, I was hoping she could replace Xiangling in teams, is her off field pyro application good and worth pulling for only for that? I need help!
I wonder if lanyan is the missing puzzle to ororon+fischl taser team. Since if you play those two with sucrose then your only defensive utility is XQ and he needs to stack with beidou to feel comfy. I wonder if yelan could slot well here? The problem is.. her damage buff is probably kind of useless on lanyan.
Not a lot of point in discussing beta changes, when they will just keep changing until release (sometime at release, just seen with ororon for example).
hot take! I think her skill should be like Raiden/Furina/Nahida in duration. Most of the archon's skill duration is so long you can do a lot of things before refreshing it. If they don't much that duration with the latest archons then I think it's a let down. I think Archons should be the easiest unit to play, you shouldn't think on the time you put them on the rotation because they are "Gods" and "Gods" should be powerful and easy to use.
Not a hot take at all and I agree: the Archons’ long skill durations are really good since they give you the option to open a rotation with their skill, and it will still be up even if you needed to swap through a bunch of 5 star supports with really long animations like Kazuha and Ayato. Even Zhongli is like that, since his shield uptime is longer than the skill cooldown and I think is still the longest lasting shield that comes from a skill. I hope they’re not keeping Mavuika’s skill uptime low just because they want it to fit in a certain rotation, because they could have also done that by letting you intentionally turn off the pyro similar to how you can turn off Furina’s hydro by switching her to heal mode.
I just wanna make one question! Will citlali work together woth xilonen? ( Their shred can stack?) I am talking about teaam together with hutao xilonen citlali thank you for your time appreciate
It's about time to have someone replace Xiangling, her burst up time is annoying and difficult to retain. You'd need godly rolls for your artifacts, and she's stuck with Bennett for battery.
I don't think you can talk about nerfs or buffs if a character hasn't been released yet. It gets simply adjusted and balanced. Sometimes more to our advantage, sometimes less.
I read her E-skill lasts 18 seconds off field with C1...is that correct? I'm not getting her unless I can get full uptime on the skill like the other archons.
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i would pull mavuika as xiangling replacement but it feels like a waste to use her only as a support.
I won't get picked anyway....
Wasn't expecting you to make a video about prerelease stuff but I'm not complaining.
I thought Jello didn't cover leaks...hoyo partnerships must be paying peanuts😂😂😂💀
Ikr. They mostly pay in primos which is literally worthless to sustain yourself 😂
From what I remember, Jello can't use his own account in the Creator-Server he opted to not use it anyways and instead focus on testing the characters more in depth after release. I guess that's another reason to not bother with Hoyos preferences.
i mean this has been up for an hour and it's got 7,500 views. if he leaves it up for a year it'll get 65 million views, which is more than a hoyo partnership pays
@@eddie-booth you smoke good stuff if you think this video gonna get 65 million views
He either saw TGS released a video and rushed one or timed it along with him.
we have enough pyro dps, so I really hope we get buffs to her buffing and off-field damage. powercreeping two four stars (benny and xiangling) is way smarter and will make way more money than powercreeping limited 5 star dps'
For Real she needs to attempt to retire Xiangling
It blows my mind that they aren’t even focusing on that part of her kit. Seems like a loss but I know a lot of people are still going to pull for her regardless.
@ yeah true. i pre-farmed for her since she is an archon, so i assumed she would have a good off field presence with some buffing like the other archons.. but if she’s just another dps it will have even such a waste 😭
@@itslumi. aww man I’m sorry about the pre-farm time!! 😔
I hadn’t gotten to Mav and I’m glad I hadn’t bc I’m settled for my pyro DPSs w Arlecchino and Lyney, but I was pre farming some of Citlali’s mats thinking she was going to be closer to Zhongli’s shield scalings.
Now I’m debating whether or not to pull grandpappy geo instead…
@ yeah it’s disappointing. both mauvika and citlali sound like a skip arm. i hope they buff them. kinich mualani and xilo are all so good, it would be such a waste to make two super hyped characters bad
The Jello leak arc
I'm pretty disappointed with Mavuika's direction: she is going to be neither a Bennett replacement nor a proper XL one. Just from looking at her animations it's obvious her off-field is not going to be a focus for her. So we are left with yet another on-field pyro dps how joyous....
she should be a powercreep to xiangling in 90%+ of teams
i dont know why you think that she is not a xiangling replacement
Honestly same. I would have been happy if she's more like the other archons who are off-field applicators with their skills (except Venti).
@@namelessking9068 maybe some players grew attached to xiangling for the last 4 years and funneling all the energy to her is fun to them. It's not like mavuika's is on a skill and doesn't require energy.
@@namelessking9068unless you're playing DPS mavuika she isn't replacing xiangling lmao
@@namelessking9068 XL can already be replaced by Dehya in some teams, so Mavu being better in those is not really exciting news to me. And that is my main issue. She doesn't excite me as an off-field character. She has a decaying buff that is reliant on natlan chars to even be ok and she has decent damage off-field but nothing you build around and the animation on her off-field skill might as well not exist.... you just see red numbers every now and then.
i never like taking nerfs or buffs seriously during beta, i’ll judge the character when they actually come out in game, fr when Mualani got nerfed in beta everyone doom posted how she was gonna drop off a cliff and she ended up being one of the best dps in the game, when Clorinde’s skill duration got lowered in beta everyone said it made her bottom tier but that wasn’t true either, we really don’t know at all until they’re in game
Imo mualani doom posting was deserved. Yes, she still came out with good numbers, but you are getting the same dmg as other top dps with the most gimmicky gameplay - just as expected. If anything on release she was even worse cs we didn't know how bad puffer mechanic woud be.
many mualani HP% dmg alterations (V3 debuff reduced sharky dmg and following buffs at V4 for ult and nightsoul amounts) at the last beta just shows that it's better to hold from calcs before numbers are set in stone, the current onfield dps nerfs (which ngl are kinda warranted) and wording changes on passives and sig weapon seen to lead on to off field alterations latter on (which are the real interesting part and what people REALLY WANT to see in mavu)
@@ferend4038 I don't find her her gimmick, she is fun for me. Also she manages out dps other dpss. She is not about comfort. If I wanted comfort I would run Zhongli on every team. It's nice to maximize her potential. And She is only going to get stronger. Saying her damage is around other dps level more of a coping mechanic for people. Unless you are purposefully avoiding her puffers you are not going to miss them coz they come to you. If you are speed running something no other character is better than her except against hydro immune enemies. This is coming from someone who has both Neuvilette and Mualani.
@@robinj4286I was one of those who thought she was mid. Then got the hang out of her.
Just wait until Mavuika comes around to replace Xiangling. She will break the game with her toonforce.
@@ferend4038 What's the matter with her puffers? They come to you automatically!
since when you cover leaks huh
My shock when I released it is leaks
This is the most anticipated character so yeah everyone's kinda covering her
I mean can you really blame him they are everywhere
@@orsm9681 not judging or anything just shocked. I follow leaks myself so yeah
Same! I clicked the vid cuz I didn't think he looks at leaks.
"Neuvilette didn't shine truly until furina came out"
*Throwback to the Solo Neuvillette runs being top 5 most popular team to clear abyss 36 stars in 4.1 and 4.2*
He clear in 1m 30 its pretty bad
@@fukanoonwish999 It's a solo character clearing within comfortably 9 starrable times. What are you expecting lmao.
@@fukanoonwish999u need to c6 everyone if u want min 20s to clear. What u expect on c0 and solo? Arle c0 could never 😂 unless u had great skill
@@haruki4860 30 min for a stage IS thé average or 1m for a stage IS thé average its between this range
Still Gelo Mulalani Needs Characters To Work Good she can't Even Solo a Floor
IMHO, they should reduce her personal damage just a tiny bit, but buff her support/buff abilities, that way her increased buffs raise her own damage enough to compensate... but primarily i wish her flat atk buff was team wide, and her application was just .5 seconds faster, plus unlimited ICD on all of her kit components... or a 1.5 second ICD on each aspect of the kit, independently.
Lan Yan could be the comfort pick that the classic Sucrose taser teams needed. Combined with the reaction damage buff and Ororon bringing the Cinder City Scroll set to the mix, that team could really be something.
Also, I just want to say that I think people are viewing Citlali the wrong way. Not every character that has a shield has to take a "shielder" role. She applies off-field cryo in a large AoE, she shreds res, she can hold the Cinder City set, and take your pick of buffing catalysts; the small shield is nice, but ancillary.
Ngl i feel like lanyan is the final piece for ororon +fischl taser team since the issue with that team is your only source of survivability is Xingqiu. Hmm... i wonder if yelan could also be useful here? Since maybe Lanyan could provide some defensive utility. Though yelan's buff might be kind of useless for lanyan except maybe if lanyan is played on a Em/EM crit build? Though i think full em is the more preferable route.
@@usmanya5110 Yeah it's interesting, isn't it? I thought the same thing about Yelan, though honestly the main thing she provides is a shorter/more comfortable rotation albeit at the cost of her burst animation wasting a little time. I'm honestly not sure how much the hydro application off Xingqiu's little rotating swords contributes to the amount of elemental reactions either. I can't imagine there's a huge difference between them. It'll be fun to experiment with that, and with Lan Yan builds. It's good that she has some flexibility in her builds, makes it easier to find good pieces for her.
I think it’s wild that even with the changes they kept Mavuika as on field being the best playstyle for her with her off field still not being archon level. I don’t need another 5 star pyro on fielder, I want a 5 star pyro off fielder.
Go suck gouba
Well their plan is to make both work, thats why she is on archon level cause she can be good off and on field, which makes her extremely versatile.
@@vexxobex7333 the thing about mavuika right now is that her on field is too good compared to her off field that not playing her as off field is a big damage loss. They should close the gap between both playstyles
@izzme5204 what im seeing is that they try to bring it closer to each other, but fr who wouldn’t want a motorcycle archon to not do big dmg, especially her drifting atk having such high scaling thats fun asf, also her kit fits extremely good to her archon character, strong on field because shes strong as hell as archon, by being very supportive of her folk off field. Her only being off field after showing how strong she in fights would make no sense.
@@vexxobex7333 I mean, zhongli is a shield bot and venti is venti so I kinda give up trying to tie in lore with in game kit. I hope ifa or xbalanque is our xiangling+ Bennet powercreep since mavuika isn't
All I wanted from Mav was a replacement for Bennett or Xiangling. I did not want a DPS. All archons should be supports.
nah
Honestly all archon should be supps and dps, they are gods. Make them broken
Kinda based that as soon as that early access stuff became trash, instead of complaining Jello did what he had to do. Got my like
Wondering how the relationship between genshin and their ccs are seeing as there has been problems with prerelease videos most ccs now have to pull the unit, extensively test, then make a post about it. There was prerelease issues like not letting people use the spiral abyss. It’s also interesting since Jello seemed to be a CC that was closer to hoyo and now if he’s covering leaks that could jeopardize his relationship going forward or already has.
Bro is on his character development arc when he spitting dreams
I’m rly considering skipping mavuika to get Citlali c2
I prefer Citlali a lot more lore and character wise and I got a hunch that mavuika will have a rerun a LOT sooner than Citlali 💀
You and me both brother
Unfortunately mauvika just looking like another pyro main dps. We have enough of those
Yeah my account is basically built around arle and ayato, and she seems good for both. Also I think she would be fun with chasca.
Once you see 5.3 trailer you will fall in love for Mavuika
@ idk she just feels a little generic to me, she’s probably one of my least favorites character wise. Her motorcycle and stuff is cool asf but she’s just boring to look at for me
I hope they lean into Citlali’s damage more so Shenhe + Citlali can be a good core for Melt Arlecchino. Shenhe’s normal attack buff does apply to Arlecchino so she’s doing about as much as Candace for her.
Posted aove so ignore copy paste.
Theory crafters had to promote it harder now because after calcs came out the said she was the best dps... but then after her melt was deemed impractical, because it required you to either imput really really fast which wasnt practical for realistic situations or slow down her already long rotation time.
some people did calcs for melt arlecchino, it was said to be at least one percent better then the furina varrent. So if the melt was impractical and the furina was weaker, then their claim that mavuka was the best dps was gonna have egg all over it. So they promoted it harder to save credability. Now its not even a debate on whos better. The v3 mavukas melt is close or barely stronger than the v2 furina varrent meaning melt arlechhino might be the new meta. With out needing so many 5 stars and team restriction and icd issues as the team calculated was arl citlai rosaria and bennet. With arl being 1.03% stronger in the explanation than the furina version of version 2.
107 melt v3(new) and 106 (vape) old mavuika.
Mavuika went from most anticipated character to whatever for me when they decided that charged attack in a circle is the way to play her.
generic dps with bad gameplay, what a flop
Cope ngl @@mrskwan3495
who decided? you can play her anyway you want.
@@crwn_clwnthe point is her strongest and encouraged play style is a boring beyblade that's mechanically simpler than Neuvillette and probably just done so mobile players don't have to mechanic much.
@@amandaslough125 yeah this is just 10th pyro onfielder and half baked off field support. Natlan locked, no archon level uptime, but strong enough onfield to be a noob toy
What kinda sucks to me at least is that they don't seem to pick a focus for her. They want her to be an off-fielder and on-fielder hybrid but don't let her truly shine in either by nerfing both directly. My wish was that she was a Xiangling replacement for Melt Wrio, but when they made her on-field style better than off-field, I just thought they'd leave it at that, but now they nerfed on-field too?? Idk what they're trying to do with her, just make her do good Pyro application and buffing off-field, I'm tired of Xiangling's horrible energy requirements, for God's sake!!!
I have a feeling mavuika with wrio is gonna be more of a Forward melt team though. Making it more like how Childe+XL
@@usmanya5110 Well yeah, as she is right now, definitely. If she applied faster or more Pyro, it'd be Rev Melt
I was hoping for a longer duration for off-field pyro units for the sake of Chevreuse Cynoverload teams. I'm using Dehya, and 12 seconds is nowhere close to long enough. Cyno needs like 18-20 seconds to last through his burst, which he needs in order to get enough energy so he can burst again.
Been saving since 5.0 for Mavuika. SO disapointed. SSR Disapointment level. A 10 star disgusting feeling. A C9 bad feeling. Level 100 hate.
That's why ppl don't give themselves high expectations about something they weren't promised. With some thought it was pretty easy to see it coming though
Mualani was "awfully nerfed" before her release and she's now the fastest character to clear the abyss... These leaks just panic the community.
Why would she be the fastest ? She doesn't have as much AOE coverage as Neuvillette, doesn't synergize with groupers all that well and isn't very good at shield breaking. She's super strong, don't get me wrong but not sure about the fastest
@lafeechloe6998 I'm sure I didn't explain myself properly. Mualani is indeed capable of clearing the abyss with Vape, constellations and supports.
@@lafeechloe6998 she clears abyss faster than anyone else under the same cost of team, what does that mean to you? "anyone else" also includes neuvi and arle, so she's factually the fastest to clear abyss as long as you have a baseline of understanding how she works.
She is also the least comfortable character to play in the game...
Absoluty not the fastest , rotation is trash because xiangling 300 % er , you can't have xiangling Burst every rotation without spending time to refil xiangling er , so the rotation is clunky, you lose time and damage because this team can't burst or support correctly every rotation , she's a good character but better team exist .
And even if you like her or it's you favorite doesn't makes her the best or the fastest character .
With constelation maybe but i assume you talking about c0.
Glad to hear Jello admitting using Xiangling is annoying for Mualani, which what I've said during the Mualani video vs TGS's recommended highlight Dehya Teams. Till Today I am still using dehya as Xiangling needs 300ER if not you need massive amount mobs in the abyss. It's copium at best and it leads to Reset Impact, smh when one isn't a speedrunner but resort to spamming resets because Gouba sucks.
I have to go out of my way to think about not using Dehya with her, she's feels so good to use. The only other option I'd say is Thoma, but I keep changing my mind on if I rather have him with Kinich or Mualani if I'm using both on each side.
@@amandaslough125 There is another option with Mualani, you can use Xianyin with high def or slab petra on her and give Kachina Instructor. Having, Kachina, Xilo Xinyan pretty much secure your shield strength, unless you do alot of mistakes. Geo resonance for Mualani isn't that bad and CN players been using this in quite awhile.
Hoyos logic is to nerf the kit and buff the cons.
Wait since when do you cover leaks? Is this going to be the new normal going forward because I’m here for it!?
Shut up deku
But Arle and Neuv are not stuck with premium supporters from their region like Mavuika for their peak damage, are they? You always talk about the future potential of units, but you say nothing about that here, why?
Cause theory crafters got mad.
Posted aove so ignore copy paste.
Theory crafters had to promote it harder now because after calcs came out the said she was the best dps... but then after her melt was deemed impractical, because it required you to either imput really really fast which wasnt practical for realistic situations or slow down her already long rotation time.
some people did calcs for melt arlecchino, it was said to be at least one percent better then the furina varrent. So if the melt was impractical and the furina was weaker, then their claim that mavuka was the best dps was gonna have egg all over it. So they promoted it harder to save credability. Now its not even a debate on whos better. The v3 mavukas melt is close or barely stronger than the v2 furina varrent meaning melt arlechhino might be the new meta. With out needing so many 5 stars and team restriction and icd issues as the team calculated was arl citlai rosaria and bennet. With arl being 1.03% stronger in the explanation than the furina version of version 2.
107 melt v3(new) and 106 (vape) old mavuika.
@@hi7293where do you get that info
My main account has all the archons, but I’m really considering skipping Mavuika there on her debut and maybe even until next year. I feel like I’d only be pulling her to have all the archons and not really use her. 😕
There are too many pyro on-field DPS! Maybe I’ll pull her on my other two accounts, but the one that has the most Natlan characters to pair with Mavuika is also F2P so…
while pyro main dps might sell, there is WAY TOO MANY Pyro Main DPS
For Lanyan, since you can get double charges on skill, that means you can theoretically loop the shielding potential indefinitely with sacfrags. Sacfrags CD is 16s, meaning you get: 1 cast, the refund cast timed at 8 seconds, the second cast, the first cast again, sacsword CD cast, rinse and repeat.
You don't need sac for full uptime with 2 charges
this nerf is a must, make her more balance, imagine 5 months later they gonna release a dps that outcreep mavuika completely
That's exactly, what I'm saying. It takes a natlan character to powercreep that one snezhnayan character released in fontaine patches, how much more will be on the future patches? At that point, pulling who you love is all that matters.
I’m very disappointed the dev team really thought the best idea for the Pyro archon was to make her yet another on field DPS. She would sell double if she were a direct Xiangling and/or Bennet replacement. Hoyo is fumbling this one bad. Won’t be pulling if they don’t beef up her off field capabilities.
on the contrary, finally an archon who's an op DPS! It was about damn time
@@soze2440nah, we have either Elemental Sovereigns or Feeble Scholars for that "main DPS of a region" role
@@soze2440a DPS with only 1 viable team!!!!! just what we wanted for an archon
@@stego- "viable" is a terrible word for what you're referring to
Mavuika as a support feels a step down from previous archons and a meta oversight from the game design perspective, she's the strong character no one needed or asked for.
except everyone asked for her
@@Zuvas I have yet to see her be a 5* Bennet and/or Xiangling, so no, I did not. There went your Everyone claim.
@@Zuvas Who wanted limited 5* on-fielder #6 when Hu Tao, Arlecchino and Lyney are all still meta-relevant units?
@@SuperBeanSquad I'm more confused on why people wanted yet another archon to be used as a E-bot with 0.1 seconds being on field. They can release pyro off-field support any time they want, but archons are only once a year, ain't no way ppl really want the E-button #3000 on their account
@@holeintuni Because an "e bot" pyro off-field DPS is role that doesn't exist. We have one good off-field Pyro damage dealer and it's Xiangling. We have _three_ solid on-field DPS options, one of which is commonly considered the second best DPS in the game. What is Mavuika bringing to the table that Arlecchino doesn't?
Lanyan is actually pretty broken if she does not have a big flaw because she seems to check all boxes pretty well, she can use vv, has decent uptime , meaningfull buffs and cc to top it all off?!! i can actually see her being used as a f2p version of zhongli
I realllllly want Mavuika's skill duration to be at least 14 seconds. If it's not, Xiangling is still gonna be better in that role :(
what role?
@@soze2440pyro app/uptime
@@soze2440 Off field pyro application
Had anyone seen calcs of mauvika as an off field dps in comparison to Xiangling? The vids ive seen say she is fine off field but would be dumb to put her there because of how good her on field dmg is. I haven't seen actual numbers yet.
Nice Jello. I would def watch these types of video on your channel more often.
Mavuika sounds like a skip more and more
When her on-field dmg is as good as arle, then all the other attributes in her kit are bonuses as an archon. Off-field pyro app And dmg buff to other teammates are because she is an archon. Some people just expect her to excel in every aspect of the game. Like neuvi or mualani are the best dmg dealers on-field, but that's it, no off-field capabilities. But mavuika is good in both on and off-field! That's crazy enough.
The story thus far as I understand it:
Everybody: WE WANT A 5 STAR XL REPLACEMENT
Hoyo: how about a hilariously strong on field pyro dps.
Everybody: NO WE WANT A STRONG OFF FIELD PYRO APPLICATOR
Hoyo: ok how about a mediocre strong on field pyro dps.
Everybody: ...
Mediocre? She's still being calced the best dps in the game
@haydenz0 ah you deliberately ignored the full two word phrase "mediocre strong" in order to get your dunk in.
Cool, cool
@@sherifffruitfly tbf mediocre strong is kinda a weird mix of words
@@sherifffruitflythe fuck does mediocre strong mean?
@AverageRNGHater doesn't change his dishonesty.
Everyone complaining about Mauvika skill is going to get a rude awakening when we start getting Wayobs in the Abyss
Good lord fingers crossed we dont get local legends in the abyss
@@LoneBeastYT I pray that doesn't happen
Wayobs in abyss are a DOOM statement. No more Burst spam
@@ronnieketchum1241 My default ass Arlecchino overload team only uses 1 burst (Fischl). My Chasca can beat the Wayob out of the suck stance without any of the other characfers doing anything.
There are plently of characters that can do things without a burst. Xiangling just isn't one if them.
@@LoneBeastYTwe already did with pyro gunner fatui and cryo fatui
I kinda give up after seeing Mavuika's kit, after being loyal to Genshin for 3-4 years i decided to try WuWa and got surprised with how much i enjoyed the game.
The only major downside is that it requires slightly stronger device since it runs on Unreal Engine 4.
I might permanently stop my Welkin subscription if they don't buff Mavuika's off-field utility to reach at least Xiangling's level.
Yeah I like that game a lot more cause no characters are just e or q bots and switch
if the archon isnt a massive powercreep then im not pulling
its funny how the one of the nerf was put back on mavuika c4 as a buff for the c4 lol
they dont even hide their greediness anymore
I'm wheezing. I love the fact you're covering leaks, now.
Have your fun, Jello !
I’m really excited to pull for Lan Yan, I love her design and that she may possibly have a different weapon than the usual.
I hope she would be equal in dmg to arle and around as good as XL if played as sub-dps. This way she wouldnt break the game.
Mavuika is more niche she badly needs specific set ups like xilonen and an archon so she should be stronger than general unit like arle
She's gonna be stronger than Arle because she has perfect synergy with Furina unlike Arle and she has a better artifact set with obsidian codex over glad. According to math experts their on field damage alone is about the same so Mavuika having better synergies mean she's just flat better.
@@meowk123, and Arlecchino can't be healed, while also being staggerable, unlike Mavuika
@@foxmountain8065 And Mavuika is pretty bad without Xilonen, i would say without Xilo her performance is at best Hu Tao lvl. And if you do not have Citlali as well - Mavuika is unplayable
@@yoursteban3713 arle can use her ult
I'm most excited for Lan Yan especially after these changes! I still don't know what Pyro traveller will be so I'm looking forward to your video on it. Keep up the good work Jello!
Even after the nerf mauvika still out dps arlechinno so I'm happy
debatable, they are pretty equal right now, espeically if Arle has Citlali in team. On the other hand we have Mavuika that does pretty bad dmg without Xilonen
My Arlecchino C2R1 does the job. Unlike Mavuika, Arlecchino has some flexibility team wise and does not need Xilonen. Mavuika (yet another on field pyro dps) seems pretty specific and Ltd with her teams and needing another Natlan Character in her team. Unless something changes, Mavuika will be a skip… Arlecchino is also self sustaining.
@@TheGwilwileththe only cons of mavuika you could say was her requiring xilonen...so what ? ...she just needs anyone natlan character not just xilonen... Xilonen might be the best for her as she is a cracked support in the entire game but you can use citlali as well .and for Xilonen havers this is not much of a problem...
But arle, can't use furina, needs bennet and then that circle impact is so irritating, plus she can't get healed , her Burst is only used in panick situations which most of the times reset the rotations, needs zhongli for comfort, at single target you need to wait for a few seconds (but only this one might be solved by the team setup)
If Mavuika ends up being NOT a sub-DPS I might as well go for Citlali and save for Ifa
I was hoping to get Mavuika for my Kinich team but if she turns out not team-buffing oriented I might as well stick with Dehya with him instead
If current predictions for Pyro MC hold up, you could use them as well. The last info I saw was they have co-ordinated Pyro attacks on their skill and can hold Cinder City artifact set. You may need a Sacrificial Sword if they keep the cooldowns messed up, but you’re already playing Dehya so I assume you can work with skill downtime,
@@studiesinflux1304 I just slapped Sac greatsword on my Dehya lol so I might do the same for Pyro MC if I decide to play them later on
the section naming choices! 😭
I thought this channel didn't cover leaks 😂😂
Every archon before had reinvented the meta is some way. zhongli was a must pull for a while for his def shred and shield being the perfect support especially for hu tao. raiden's skill is still amazing till this day for overload and hyperbloom, buffing ults, energy generation... nahida enabled all kinds of dendro teams and made EM useful. Furina completely switched the meta, enabling healers who at that point were considered useless if youre good enough and is still the most used character ever. The way it is now, mauvika is just another pyro dps that can do some off field dmg?? So much potential, lost
Venti reading that : 😅 ehe
@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 LMAOOOOOOO i meannnnnn he was the first character released soo... he "invented" the meta? DAMN U KAZUHA
Thank you for the video. I really appreciate how detailed your videos are. I’m very excited about both new 5 star characters. Farming like crazy 😂 I hope Citlali shield improves.
As a new player I will probably go for neuvillette and the archon to build my 2 teams around the newest releases.
With bird having crowd control and vv, though it’s a weaker shield, could she compete with Zhongli in melt ganyu? 🤔
I need Lan Yan to provide shields to active characters. I hate when a supports can’t use there support abilities to the fullest in co-op. Don’t fuck it up Hoyo.
If mavuika can pull out a motorcycle then im sure tsaritsa will pull out sukhoi 57 in snezhnaya
Spicy and necessary info
instant sub
Still looking like the title of "Strongest Playable Archon" goes to the ex-archon.
I really hate the mentality that lore strength should translate to in-game strength, so I'm glad that Mavuika is getting hit with the nerf hammer.
is not thou? and it is kinda obvious she will get nerf like every beta character and even if she gets nerf if she is still powerful as arle then is a great nerf if not then is a bad nerf, like who would want a character if she is weak?
@@ziancarvenreynoso9191 I'm not saying she should be weak, I'm more speaking to the fact that some people are excusing her pre-nerf state, saying that " she should powercreep Arlecchino because she's an Archon". I believe that this is a highly unhealthy way of thinking about the game, and will just lead to more powercreep and FOMO should Hoyo cater to this philosophy.
@@yerriff8115 Powercreeping is a normal thing thou? But ofc not like this it should be timed right arle didn't have her first rerun yet and powercreeping is normal in games too
@@yerriff8115 well Mavuika have a cons thou for using her as a main dps you really want her with another natlan character to fully utilize her dps potential so that kinda balance it out even thou she does powercrept arle you still need her team Requirement to fully function
@@ziancarvenreynoso9191 Powercreep might be somewhat normal, but no one should be happy with how busted pre-nerf Mavuika was. And again, I'm criticizing people for using lore strength to excuse said powercreep. It's not excusable for Mavuika, just as it wasn't excusable for Neuvillette.
I've been playing since 3.8 and still have no Sucrose, so I'm actually excited for Lan Yan. I hope to see some testing of Mavuika on non-Natlan teams to see if anything is even remotely viable. I know I'm not the only person who skipped other Natlan characters to save for her, only to learn about the restriction.
Not interested in another on field pyro dps. Mavuika does not look like she will be a big upgrade to my Kinich team…Not sure I am willing to throw primos at her unless she will make a noticeable difference on my account. Instead of Mavuika I may take another look at Citlali….or just keep saving.
I think she already is an upgrade to kinich since she herself can hold cinder city. Though if you're playing emilie it's gonna be hard to slot in a deepwood user. Bennett is a must and he's not gonna apply alot.
@@usmanya5110just use emilie on deepwood, also if I’m gonna be fair mavuika doesn’t seem like a big upgrade over pmc in most teams for off feild
Since Lanyan is my most hyped 5.3 char... yay :D
I'm fine with the changes. I'm not overly excited for granny or the archon. But I'm a sucker for shielders of each element so I'm very interested in Lan Yan even if she winds up being not that great (and I already have Layla and Diona).
Lowkey more excited for Lanyan too
Hey Jello Mavuika doesnt have enough pyro application for Mualani Furina teams so isnt she just a sidegrade for the people who have an Emelie?
Oooohh, yeah for the buff to bird! She's the one I'm most excited for (and PMC). Oh wow, CC as strong as Kazu?! Dang!
Low shield scaling is the opposite of a comfort option. I'd rather take Qiqi over that but Zhongli is obviously the best and guess what, he is going to get a banner first. Can I get a Citali skin for my Zhongli please or something? The only thing good in this character now is her looks. A reminder : ZHONGLI ALSO HAS BETTER RES SHRED. 20% for all elements instead of just two.
Exactly man, lets just make a xiangling replacement now, like how hard can it be.. if not a complete replacement then make a 5 star xiangling with good ER generation not like 250Er and yet no burst up time like that of xiangling.. i like the way you explained, we want a proper pyro support with good pyro application, good ER and not 20s CD
I'll wait till the characters are out. Following this stuff creates too much undue anxiety for me. Sometimes makes me forget that it's just a game.
I hope they buff Mavuika’s support rather than dps side
These leaks never matters for me because from “unrealistic strong “ to make “godlike strong” in the end
I will still pull for her
In the end, it depends on how much value they can deliver to deserve the primogems.
I saw the thumbnail as was like: Shucks, oh well. (I’m pulling Citlali C1R1 hopefully)
I just wanted her to be a new support for Childe💔
Honestly, Neuv and Arle is all I needed to carry all throughout Natlan and even Snezhnaya if properly invested, at least to me.
I'm really excited to try Lanyan in my Clorinde aggravate team. My dodging skills are not good enough, so if I wanna take this team to the abyss - I have to switch from Kazuha to Zhongli, which obv affects team damage output. It looks like an anemo shielder who can utilise both VV and tds is going to be an amazing option!
the only problem is that her shield scales off atk, not em
After nerf, she still on par with arle ?! people need to calm down from doom posting about her
tbh she's limited to natlan teams to do arle's amount of damage. she's tied to xilonen and wants even more natlan characters if possible and if not straight up steals your furina. that's not very good for an archon tho it's still beta.
She needs a team of xilonen, citlali and benny to get there, replace any one and it's lower than arles teams
@@firstbinguser but she still can be a sub-dps and buffer, while Arle is only dps.. Obviously Mavuika must be nerfed
@skrypnykk.770 if they nerf her anymore than this she's straight up skipable. her off field abilities aren't much better than xiangling because she applies 1u pyro every 2s which is too little. if she had like 4u pyro and off field party buffs without natlan teammates I don't think ppl would be as disappointed with her. hoyo like that motorcycle too much so they made her a main dps😭
@ that is the problem, they should nerf her dmg, but significantly buff off-field dmg and buffs for team. Would be great
Big man finally joined the dark side
Mavuika off field getting nerfed and her being primarily a main dps would be sad but it would be fine IF they make up for it making pyro traveler a great off field applicator that can replace XL and Bennit
Nice to see Jello blowing up a bit, deserved
Moneys been real tight for you recently
just for ppl wich wonder about citlalis shield strength. a tripple em build with ttds and cinder city should be around 11k. with her sig its will be around 15k
for comparison. diona with tripple hp% has a 11.5 k shield. leyla with tripple hp%, dockhand and tenacity set has around 18k
the 4 stars are calculated lvl 90 and c6 with lvl 13 talents
if you want to max citlalis shield because you play her with xilonen. citlali with her sig and the tenacity set has a 19 k shield
Please cover future constellations. I know many will go cons. But cons sometimes changes the builds
I am so excited for both can’t decide who to get ✨
i wonder if he looks at leaks! About time you do this, I only see positives in following along with the beta.
I’m conflicted with Mavuika’s kit, as am archon or course I was planning on getting her, however I have Arlechinno C1R1 and I don’t know if I should pull for Mavuika at all, I don’t need another pyro DPS, I was hoping she could replace Xiangling in teams, is her off field pyro application good and worth pulling for only for that? I need help!
I wonder if lanyan is the missing puzzle to ororon+fischl taser team. Since if you play those two with sucrose then your only defensive utility is XQ and he needs to stack with beidou to feel comfy. I wonder if yelan could slot well here? The problem is.. her damage buff is probably kind of useless on lanyan.
Or... Kokomi?
@amandaslough125 hmm.. i might wanna try this too. Though who should be the anemo if i'm playing with kokomi? Kazuha or sucrose?
I saved for two patches for mauvika. But caved last night and pulled for Chasca:( still have about 80 pulls. Just have to win the 50/50
Hmm not sure if I'll pull mavuika since the motorbike attacks seem janky, but we'll see if she's worth it for off field
Im so hyped for citlali, either way, im going to be running citlali and ororon, and i will probably have to get mavuika on the rerun, but idec
Not a lot of point in discussing beta changes, when they will just keep changing until release (sometime at release, just seen with ororon for example).
hot take! I think her skill should be like Raiden/Furina/Nahida in duration. Most of the archon's skill duration is so long you can do a lot of things before refreshing it. If they don't much that duration with the latest archons then I think it's a let down. I think Archons should be the easiest unit to play, you shouldn't think on the time you put them on the rotation because they are "Gods" and "Gods" should be powerful and easy to use.
Not a hot take at all and I agree: the Archons’ long skill durations are really good since they give you the option to open a rotation with their skill, and it will still be up even if you needed to swap through a bunch of 5 star supports with really long animations like Kazuha and Ayato.
Even Zhongli is like that, since his shield uptime is longer than the skill cooldown and I think is still the longest lasting shield that comes from a skill.
I hope they’re not keeping Mavuika’s skill uptime low just because they want it to fit in a certain rotation, because they could have also done that by letting you intentionally turn off the pyro similar to how you can turn off Furina’s hydro by switching her to heal mode.
I just wanna make one question! Will citlali work together woth xilonen? ( Their shred can stack?) I am talking about teaam together with hutao xilonen citlali thank you for your time appreciate
Pulling C0 Zhongli confirmed. Skipping Mavuika and Citlali.
It's about time to have someone replace Xiangling, her burst up time is annoying and difficult to retain. You'd need godly rolls for your artifacts, and she's stuck with Bennett for battery.
It's supposed to be a physical citlali...so they might just go for that
I don't think you can talk about nerfs or buffs if a character hasn't been released yet. It gets simply adjusted and balanced. Sometimes more to our advantage, sometimes less.
I read her E-skill lasts 18 seconds off field with C1...is that correct? I'm not getting her unless I can get full uptime on the skill like the other archons.