Hey Fam, we know, modesty is a very controversial topic these days. But hear us out. Why are we wearing what we’re wearing to the gym? Ladies what’s going on in our hearts? Comment below and let us know if you agree or disagree with our thoughts and why! 😊 Patreon❤️ www.patreon.com/paulandmorganshow
P&M I hope you’re well and in good spirits. Thank you for facilitating conversation on a widely debated topic. I believe this is a men’s issue because our behavior cannot be attributed to the actions of women. The female dancers I know dress modestly because of their individual convictions and faith in Christ. However, modesty is not a standard in their world so they do not expect others to do the same. At the end of the day, if a woman feels comfortable in her skin and chooses to wear tight clothing to the gym, hiking or a night out with friends, as men we cannot attribute our struggles and behavior to her. The expectation of women to dress modestly for the sake of men is flawed because that line of thinking will not be accepted in similar situations. I’m an alcoholic, I cannot expect others to adhere to my convictions of sobriety, so I choose to avoid situations with heavy drinking. I am responsible for my actions. The brain is powerful and it does not take that much work to reprogram it so we are not constantly struggling with lust.
Paul and Morgan, from one Christian to another, please understand that this is legalism. Yes, we are to be modest, but you are adding to God’s Word, which is legalism. You are creating “rules” that aren’t in the Bible. I encourage you to please do an in-depth Bible study of modesty as well as legalism. Because how much have you studied this topic? You will be held accountable for every word you say on this platform, so I would hope you are preparing by doing in depth studies. I know you said you are still growing, and I am understanding of that, but perhaps then it’s not a good idea to speak with so much condemnation and authority on a topic you don’t fully understand yourselves. I’ve tried commenting this twice, don’t know why it won’t post.
I agree! Thanks for being bold! It’s crazy that this isn’t clear among Christians. If women want men to take responsibility, then we should take some as well- its just that simple and it’s only fair. I kinda wished y’all would’ve touched out modesty for men at the gym. I feel like “modesty” typically refers to women but it’s not secret that men can be modest too ya know? So what’s your opinions on that :) also I’m curious what y’all’s thoughts are on bathing suits then🤔 God is good!
It’s actually not the correct word though, no one’s vagina “hangs out” unless they have a prolapse, which many women do, but I believe they’d have to be completely naked from the waist down for you to see it. If someone IS exercising naked in your gym, report them. Unless it’s a specialist nudist gym of course.
Purity culture in evangelical christianity leaves its victims in a state of arrested development. That's why you have grown women like Kristen and Bethany still acting like overgrown 13 year olds and Paul and Morgan unable to name body parts without giggling like schoolchildren.
@@arielrodriguez968 Ok? Still doesn't warrant people to dress so revealing. If they're over 18, well then, people need to look away if they have a problem with it.
First, grow up on saying the word Vagina. It’s a body part. Second, modesty is subjective to each person/country/culture/religion/etc. something that is considered “immodest” to you, can be “modest” to someone else (or vice versa). So I really don’t feel like it’s your place to judge people’s clothing choices based on what your concept of modesty is. I do understand the concept of there being a place and time for certain clothes. Like don’t wear white to a wedding or don’t wear a swim suit to a funeral. But in the context of gym wear… let people wear whatever is comfortable for them to work out. It’s not really your place to judge someone if they choose to wear a sports bra and shorts to the gym, if that’s what’s comfortable for them or makes them feel good. Someone’s bad choices are not someone else’s responsibility to manage!! Also… I literally have been catcalled wearing the ugliest sweat pants with a T-shirt and big jacket. Every inch of me was covered with baggy clothing and a man still did something. So yes, Morgan women could wear a potato sack to the gym and men could still find a way to make the “modest” potato sack “immodest”
Oh shut up! The point is having consideration and respect for those around you! It's gross and classless! 😒 yeah it's true men cat call either way but you don't need to make it worse because you or whoever want attention...
Not true, you can cause others to lust. As in the Bible you SHALL not cause others to fall in sin or stumble. So, you are not right. Besides, recovery is not the same as this. YOu cannot compare. Seems you do not underst and lust is a sin and you can cause one to stumble through it.
@@shawnmendrek3544actually, that's not always the case where you cause other people to lust for you, it all really falls on the person who has those thoughts of lust and temptation in their hearts, as described in Matthew 5:28: "But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Often, a woman doesn't even have to wear anything revealing to be an object of lust. If teenagers and little girls become objects of lust for the sexually devious, are you really going to blame them for these men's sinful inclinations?
In some cultures, plain sleeveless t-shirt without extra cuts is considered to be skimpy. In some cultures, bikini - lookalike sport bras is considered to be just fine.
You have to keep into account that there are very legalistic places in the world, but there are also very godless places on the world. That is beside the point. If it can easily cause men to stumble, they shouldn’t wear it. Of course there’s nothing we can do about the worldly women, but Christian women need to remember this. Culture does not define truth and Gods word.
@@gwenpianotivation3156 most cultures in the 1800s or before had the women dress modestly, the only ones who didn't were very primitive and pagan like the savages. Still even some savages knew that the women should dress modestly
Because it isn’t as big of an issue for most men. Dressing modestly is for God because our body is not our own. It’s not about preventing the male gaze.
Because it's the women who wear the revealing outfits, Paul in the New Testament calls women to dress modestly. The gym outfits women wear nowadays look like something out of a p*rn movie.
The problem is, what someone declares to be “modest”, is actually very revealing to someone else. And vice versa. There’s a Christian influencer who recently did a try on of supposed “modest swimwear” and to my eyes, it was fairly revealing. (I don’t mind personally, because what women choose to wear doesn’t concern me), however her own followers were criticising her over her choices and she was replying that modesty is subjective. So who decides? This woman btw is a very devoted and serious Christian. And speaking from personal experience, I’ve been catcalled, harassed and TOUCHED by strange men, no matter what I wear. When I’ve covered up, men have still been inappropriate with me. How about, we focus some more attention on MEN and teach/expect them not to look at women, or if they can’t help looking, keep their hands and mouths to themselves. We can’t control others, only ourselves surely? This is my proposition as an alternative to focusing on women and expecting the onus to be on them to manage mens feelings and urges.
If we dress modestly that’s all we are called to do. Modesty - no privates hanging out. If men cat call when you are modest that’s on them! Not you. But if you dress revealing… you have to hold yourself accountable
@@shelbiecarson2843 How far do you take that mindset? Stared at - hold yourself accountable. Catcalled - hold yourself accountable. Being flashed by a man - hold yourself accountable. A sneaky grab of the boob - hold yourself accountable. A tongue shoved into your mouth - hold yourself accountable. Full blown rape resulting in internal injuries - hold yourself accountable. I’m genuinely asking, where do you personally draw the line, when it stops being the woman’s fault for dressing revealingly, and starts to become the man’s fault for his choice in behaving that way?
“And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” Patiently awaiting Paul to pluck out his eyes on camera.
You may be waiting a while! He has no reason to challenge his thoughts on this when he has a wife and plenty of supporters on here who will validate his philosophy on what women choose to wear on their own bodies 😢
Are the minds of men so fragile that we cannot control our thoughts? Are our minds that weak that we cannot look past a woman's body? Men, we can and must do better. This responsibility cannot be on women. Our minds are stronger then we give them credit for. Just like an addict fighting sobriety make the choice before getting to the gym and you'll be surprised what happens. More times than not, if we fall, we've made the choice to fall long before getting to the gym. We can do this and that will protect our sisters.
It’s not just the man’s responsibility. As Christians, we should try to avoid causing our brothers and sisters in Christ from stumbling. If women have any respect for their brothers in Christ, they wouldn’t be dressed the way they do at the gym (i.e., skimpy clothes)
@@mary103 Good day Mary103, I hope you’re well and in good spirits. I agree with your premise of protecting brothers and sisters to an extent. Expanding on it, the protection of brothers and sisters is a human mandate as we are commanded by Christ to love those around us. At an overtly religious event, those who observe that faith might consider dressing accordingly. Outside of overtly religious events and among those that do not practice Christianity, one cannot expect others to adhere to their standards of modesty. The female dancers I know dress modestly because of their individual convictions of modesty as they are both Christian. However, modesty is not a standard in their world so they do not expect others to do the same. At the end of the day, if a woman feels comfortable in her skin and chooses to wear tight clothing to church, gym, hiking or a night out with friends, as men we cannot attribute our struggles to what she is wearing. The expectation of women to dress modestly for the sake of men is flawed because that line of thinking will not be accepted in similar situations. I’m an alcoholic, I cannot expect others to adhere to my convictions of sobriety, so I choose to avoid situations with heavy drinking.
I totally understand the idea of modesty, but to just call ALL girls out to “go somewhere else with there ‘skimpy’ clothing”… doesn’t give off a Christian attitude. As you stated in the beginning of the video, this was directed towards Christians. All girls in the gym are NOT Christians, and just because we are we shouldn’t tell them to go! They have the freedom of choice just as we do. I feel like the tweet was rude, and even ruder when reposted by you, Paul. What about the guys who have their shirts off, are we gonna speak on them? Love your content a ton, but this seemed a little judgmental to me… and I’m only here in the video 5:00 . Still left a like!❤️
Appreciate the respectful comment, but I would have had the same attitude if I wasn’t a Christian. This is not about representing Christ (for outsiders) but about general common courtesy. I am from a different country and dressing like that outside is just seen as disrespectful, cheap, and inappropriate. Also, men shoukd definitely not have their shirts off. But they talked about that in the swimsuit video.
So I went to high school in Utah and we had our swimming state championships at BYU (mormon college) and we all found it hilarious that, for swimmers, it was fine to walk around in these skin tight competition suits, super tiny practice suits, men wearing speedos, etc. But the REST of the gym had an insane dress code to promote "modesty". Here's the thing, NONE of the male swimmers had an issue with seeing the women in these suits. Why? Because they practice with them 2 hours a day and they get used to it, and they learned to treat the female swimmers like human beings with value and talent, rather than just an attractive fit body to lust after. I don't think modesty is really ever the issue, I think it's a mindset issue. And that's on YOU to fix for yourself. Not for the women to cover up and try to fix for you.
@@janeferguson7608 I ran track and seeing women in right clothing was the norm. We'd all take ice baths in the big @$$ tub and talk about sore muscles and our 4x1 handoffs... This topic has been hijacked by those who fail to take responsibility for their own actions.
I agree with some things you say but overall I think you are missing the point. The diving team suits nowadays, even in College, are ridiculously skimpy......Women's backside cannot be covered because there is not enough material on the suit to even cover it some.........I do not believe for ONE SECOND that the guys (if attracted to women) ignore that like it's no big deal. Maybe at the meet itself they are on guard but I am sure they think about the look and talk about it later with the other guys. Your mindset comment, Yes, can be true but that takes a well disciplined Christian who has been walking in their faith for some time but even they still stumble. Women sports in general do a disservice to women UNLESS the women (18 and over) HAVE A CHOICE to wear something skimpy or something more modest.
@@PaulandMorgan no you didn't, you said it's on the man if the WOMAN has done everything in her power to be 'modest', you didn't talk about lust and the dangers of uncontrolled sexualisation of women's bodies and this ideology leading to rape culture.
No, not just after a "pretty" woman. And also is Morgan right when she said, that it's less likely that a man has unpure thoughts when she wears a "potatoe sack". And she said that if you wear clothes that are God honoring and not revealing, than you have done what you can, and now it's the man's business and not yours anymore.
fr! i am so sick of these people defending gross behavior from men, if they can't control their eyes and thoughts when they see a woman (regardless of how clothed they are) that says so much more about them rather than the woman that's "tempting them"...
@@arbretree5463 Women are not going to gyms to try to tempt men. Honestly, they are dressing for comfort. God also told men to pluck out their eyes. Women are not at fault for men's lustful thoughts.
@@nicolestrickland90 I go to the gym 4 times a week on average and I wear modest, comfortable gym clothes. I don't think you have to wear tight, skimpy clothes to be comfortable. God calls women to dress modestly even though it is always a guy's fault in the end if he chooses to lust.
@@arbretree5463 that's great for you. And I wouldn't be surprised if a man has still looked at you no matter what youve warn. Because it doesn't matter your clothes... men are gonna look regardless if they see an attractive woman.
I was the girl that commented on insta about how your post made me rethink my outfit. This video also really made me more aware of my outfit choices so thank you. I really examined my heart and feel like the reason I would wear more revealing things is I was insecure and wanted validation 🤷🏼♀️ It’s something I need to give to God and find my worth and validation in Him ❤️
Instead of playing the victim as the woman, I think it goes both ways. What's stopping women from not wearing skin-tight clothing when going to the gym as if it was some sort of p-rn set? Let's not pretend that women don't realize this. If you truly are doing it "for yourself," why don't you just sit at home all day wearing the most skin-tight spandex clothes you can get?
What about men who choose to work out shirtless or even tight clothes? I work out at home, so thank God I don't have to worry. I like to be comfortable. Wanting to look sexy is my last concern. I usually wear a sports bra and short shorts or leggings. And my God, what's wrong with the word, vagina? Not saying it should be shown, but good grief it's not a four letter word. And stop putting all the modesty issues on women only.
Don't compare women's bodies to men's, old woman. They AREN'T the same. Stop using the "what about" argument, and just TAKE responsibility for what you wear or don't wear at the gym, instead of crying "What about men?". If you're truly a "Woman of God", you'd own up to YOUR responsibity as a woman to always remain modest, and if that's too much for you, here's an idea, work out at home and save yourself plenty of money. It'll do you good and help you live a happier life, without going "What about this?" and that. ;) Haha
@James Mary excuse me, first as I mentioned above, I do work out at home. Second I'm a former evangelical who does not subscribe to your doctrines. And 3rd, it's absurd how only women are forced to get blamed for the modesty issue. And by the way, I'm 43. Neither young or old, but middle-aged.
Great topic. I find that men don’t usually leer because they would be shamed for it, but women actually look the MOST. So I feel like women actually wear this kind of stuff to show off to other WOMEN.
But what about guys who wear tank tops that barely cover their chests, or tops that have full body slits on the sides? Why did that never get mentioned? Why is this only directed at women?
I don’t know if it’s fair to question anyone’s Christianity because of their workout wear. As you said what one wears thinking it’s modest, another would never wear it thinking it’s modest. We can’t just pretend once we’re married or in a relationship we don’t find the other sex attractive anymore. That’s okay and totally normal, can we all agree that doesn’t go away when you become a spouse? Can we take a look, admire the persons beauty or outfit or whatever and then move along with our lives? Even see the person decide in your head you’d never wear it and move on?
What I don’t understand is when Paul said that women should wear flannel to cover the butt, I don’t agree with that at all because, they are super cute pieces gym outfits leggings and sport bra..I feel he was little too far on that because, I mean I don’t get that at all
@@melissacalderon1515 forget about what Paul think’s what does Jesus thinks ? I don’t need yours, Paul or society opinion I go to my father and say God what about this outfit or this ? Or that ? It’s not pleasing yourself or men is what God thinks. Modestly is important to God. Yes men need to have control and actually let the temptation/ lust go to God but same goes to us ladies. Anyways have a great day.
I think most Christians are striving to avoid looking at p-rn and going to a gym or even a beach is just making it more difficult not to then go home and look at p-rn. It IS wise to workout at home, Christians.
Good job Paul and Morgan! You are speaking the truth here. God convicted me about this same thing a while ago and I believe a lot of it is a sanctification process the Lord will take you on as you go deeper with him. It’s sad to see so many comments of women trying to defend themselves, ultimately it’s up to them and God there. But for the ladies who love the Lord they should love his word and do as it says, and not contribute to making our Christian brothers stumble. Just cheering you guys on as you speak “controversial” topics like this.
I was thinking the same way lately that a lot of our siblings especially Christian women are just looking wild and half naked everywhere from instagram to real life. And I pray that their mentality change as all of this just break my heart .
As a Christian woman, this is my personal opinion, and maybe this will resonate with others: let people wear whatever they choose! Live and let live!👏 If one feels uncomfortable or "tempted to act upon" other people's garment choices in a particular environment, then don't go to that specific place or activity that you know will "tempt you." Whether you like it or not, you cannot control what people wear (even if they're a believer.) The world is full of people who like to dress more revealing, and they're everywhere you go; sometimes, it's intentional, and other times it is not. We may never know people's true intentions or motives for how they dress... However, there is one thing I know for certain; it is not for us to judge (especially those who are in Christ!) These issues on "modesty" should not be solely put on women's shoulders. I understand your intentions in educating fellow Christians on what should and shouldn't be worn publicly. However, this video came off as finger-pointing specifically towards women and had a "holier than thou" undertone as well. My mother grew up in a church that constantly shamed women for how they dressed and looked: Their skirts had to be ankle length, hair had to be long, heavy makeup was prohibited, and they weren't allowed to wear shirts with a neckline below the collarbone. I understand that this is more of an extreme viewpoint than the topic of this video; however, these mindsets and teachings are similar and can be highly damaging to the church. Since I am a Christian woman, I follow the Holy Spirit within for my clothing choices. If i have a sense of peace and feel comfortable with something and go through my own personal checklist of making sure it fits me well and that I don't expose myself in a way I don't want to, I proceed with wearing it. Nonetheless, what feels and looks modest to me may not look or feel modest to others, which is absolutely valid! I occasionally wear tank tops and mini skirts, and I know I am not sexualizing myself in any way or trying to "tempt" men by wearing clothes that I find to be cute and fashionable. I’ve been cat-called wearing a turtleneck and a maxi skirt, as well as wearing a swimsuit at the poolside (nothing will stop pervy or "tempted men.") If a man is tempted to lust over my legs, bum, or breasts, that says much more about him than it does me... Women are not responsible for the thoughts or actions of men that have their minds in the gutter (so to speak.) So maybe instead of hyper-focusing on "what's wrong with women" and shaming them for their choices of clothing, we should take the time and energy spent on that and put it towards spreading the love of Christ through our words and actions. I can guarantee more people are gonna get saved that way! Lastly: A man, ESPECIALLY a married man has no right to criticize and make remarks about a woman's body and what she wears (specifically talking about a woman he is not married to, that's just strange and really creepy..) Just some food for thought, Paul and Morgan! P.s: vagina isn't a swear word so let's stop acting like it is :)
Keep telling yourself that, "Christian" girl. It's YOUR responsibility, as the woman, to NOT wear clothing that's revealing in ANY way, whether you're seeking men's attention or not. Your opinions are your own, but THAT is a fact. You make it seem like it's men's fault, when in truth it's yours and women like you. Rather than shifting blames, learn to wear APPROPRIATE clothings for places where one WORKS OUT.
@@jamesmary8953 Would you mind explaining why this woman has been catcalled and harassed while dressed modestly? And why I and many others have been harassed and physically assaulted as a CHILD and an adult wearing extremely modest and ugly clothing? And why when I’ve been dressed in revealing clothes and also drunk, in my younger days, true gentlemen have treated me with respect and kindness and wouldn’t even dream of being so disgusting? Do you not think it’s about the man and how he views women, and how he decides to act around them? Or is it purely in the woman’s power how she “makes” a man act?
You guys say you want to talk About stuff but only reply to the comments that are exactly agreeing. So I’m asking this directly….is it ok to dress immodestly when is for a paid video such as a body painting exercise while being pregnant? Before anyone thinks this is rude, this is trying to show people that no one is perfect. And we shouldn’t throw stones when we live in glass houses. In this video Morgan got so close saying that she dresses certain ways others wouldn’t think are modest but she does & instead of leaving it as that they kept tryin to shame women and make it seem like Men have no authority over their own actions.
After reading other comments and getting notifications of replies and likes to my comments, I wanted to ask the men something….. When you guys are saying that you pray and ask God to help you not stumble, to help you not be tempted etc. Truthfully, what are you afraid of happening? Cheating? Maybe you shouldn’t be in a committed relationship if that is such a huge fear. Are you afraid that if you’re alone you will act on something even if the woman isn’t into it? Are you afraid of forcing yourself on someone? Because this is a two way street. If you aren’t like that, then it doesn’t matter how attracted you are physically to someone, it takes two to tango. (So to speak) I doubt anyone is going to reply “yes I am afraid to possibly rape someone if I am left alone with a woman I feel is attractive.” Or anything along those lines…but if you are having those thoughts you need to speak w someone and figure out what’s up and rectify that. But think about it a random woman at the gym, and you’re in a monogamous relationship/marriage what could you possibly be doing besides looking? Have a thought? It’s proven we can’t control all of our thoughts and we all have had wild ones, violent ones, scary ones, etc. That doesn’t mean we act on them.
It comes down to having respect, both for themselves and for the men. As well as respect for other women. I get it that, non-Christian women, don't understand or care. But as a Christian woman we should know better (and doing it out of love for, Christ). And it should be vice versa, men need to learn to respect women and be taught to do so.
I’ve done many different sports growing up like gymnastics, soccer, ballet ( yes I do consider it a sport) and swim team and the thing is in those environments the human body is not taboo. It’s a normal part of the sport. I am a Christian and I do dress modestly in the gym but I also like to wear a sports bra if I’m feeling really warm that day. I do think modesty is about more than just what you wear but I also agree that there is a line.
Ok guys, it's time for a little boomer advice here. Ladies - use your judgement and wear what is most comfortable and modest to allow you to get the most optimal workout. Do not judge others. Gentlemen - use your judgement and wear what is most comfortable and modest to allow you to get the most optimal workout. Do not judge others. It's that easy. Don't overcomplicate it.
Modesty has become such a slippery slope to me Cause anything can be a turn on If a guy wears a tank top it can turn people on to a woman and cause her to list If we really want to commit to this mindset men shouldn't wear tank tops A woman can wear skinny jeans and still be a turn on Let the Holy Spirit convict you on this issue Cause there is no absolute answer
Well I think it is mainly about private parts such as the butt, breats, penis, vagina. Showing too much skin. Ect. I could be wrong here. Heck even cleavage. I have seen modest men and women, I mean larger men with muscles, who kept it modest. Anyways, later.
I think what’s appropriate, and what I stick to is: -just a normal sports bra that covers your boobs and -either normal spandex biker short types (like down to mid calf at least & don’t roll up) Or -those normal loose/poofy booty shorts (not the skin tight ones), that do fully cover your butt. (hopefully those descriptions made sense 😂) Just my opinion. But that is what feels comfortable to me, largely because I don’t like wearing tank tops or other looser/flowy things when I’m working out. The extra fabric bothers me & Is a distraction when I’m working out.
Genuine question: do you feel like you are being set apart where wearing this type of outfits or do you feel like you are just conforming to the world's standards and dressed like any worldly girl?
Really appreciate this video. We don't see a lot of content creators being willing to be open about this topic. I think y'all came at this with a lot of humility, there will always be those who don't understand the concept of modesty, but I admire your boldness. God bless your work:)
Honestly, as a woman, whenever I choose to reveal certain "sexy" or revealing outfits, I have to accept that people will look more so than not. To have other women wear the same things and say that men shouldn't look or whatever is not really living in the real world.
I really really hate when Christians say things like "it's not our job to keep men from stumbling" "I can wear what I want because the men just shouldn't look". As Christian women especially, we can be kind and play a part in protecting the men around us. They are preyed upon every day! I want my husband to be around women who respect him and themselves so he doesn't have to work so hard to protect his eyes for God, me, and himself! Most girls know what they are wearing and why they are wearing it!!
Honestly if your husband is "having a hard time" that's on him tbh. Also clothing doesn't make someone have "less respect" for themselves you're just objectifying women automatically. That's a y'all problem
@@vickyisthicciana yes, if my husband or any man is having a hard time, they do need to work on themselves. But I wouldn't eat a big, greasy cheeseburger and a shake in from of a person struggling to follow a diet. It's just not respectful of others.
@@canalawrence9878 why shouldn't you eat a shake and fries if someone's on a diet? You're not the one on the diet it's up to the person on the diet to stay on said diet therefore it's the men's fault for lusting. The way of thinking makes zero sense women can wear whatever they want fix your terrible men
Frequent watcher here! I don’t know how I missed this video! I do think this is a bit of a miss, for me personally & that is from someone who generally covers up while at the gym. In my expirience, In the Christian community I see a lot more of the responsibility placed on the women rather than men. As someone who grew up in peak modesty culture and conservative environment, I was also sexualized at a very early age, and I was dressed very conservatively. I remember this well, & was always taught by other people that it was something I wear. I work with kids now and realize how sad it was thag at a young age I felt sexualized, not only because I was dressed conservatively, but also because I was a child and men have the responsibility to not look at women that way. I have a husband who goes went to the gym for a long time, and he accepted his responsibility. He recently started going to the gym at our apartment complex because he wanted to start to avoid that temptation. He didnt place it on other people. I think your opinion is fair in some aspects, but a little off in other, of course that is just my opinion of course! I truly do believe it is a heart issue, and there is no “right way” to be modest…
I have been following you guys since I was 19 and I am now 24. I would describe myself as someone who has constantly struggled with my faith and my journey with Christ has been bumpy since I was a teenager. I watch your videos every week and am so appreciative of your perspective and convictions, even if I don’t always agree. Thank you for making videos like this as you two are really the only Christian people I have in my life holding me accountable. I hope to continue to learn and grow from you. ❤
We all look, when someone’s body is showing or people are wearing things that cause attention even women who aren’t attracted to women. It’s ok to look but don’t stare. It’s kinda concerning that it’s such a struggle and having to look down and that sounds like some personal issues that need to be worked through. Looking doesn’t mean you have some sort of crazy nasty thoughts cause I know if I happen to catch a woman’s cleavage or something in my view it’s not that at all. Or if I see an attractive man with his shirt off being a straight woman. The outfits are tempting? Difficult? I’m confused? What do you think you’re gonna do? You are in a committed monogamous relationship and have taken a vow so it shouldn’t matter if someone is naked in front of you, you do not act on that. Also that woman is right, weirdly the most times I’m talked to is when I am in Pjs at the gas station or grocery shopping no makeup on. So yes they will look and try to get your number no matter how you look.
I don't mean it in a rude way but I think you genuinely do not understand how a guy's brain works unfortunately. It is not that easy to always have to look away when you are surrounded by women dressed inappropriately. Men can easily get tempted to lust if they see mostly scantily dressed girls at the gym. Men are way more visual than women. Of course, it is easy for us as straight women to be able to look at other girls and not be affected by that. However, it is very different for heterosexual men.
@@arbretree5463 Lust as you see someone you find sexually attractive and admire their beauty? Or you can’t stop yourself from staring and drooling? You think you may force yourself on this person? Do you think if a woman dressed a certain way she is just ready to hook up w any guy interested? I’m not sure how old you are but we have to realize there will be many things in our lives that are out of our control and we need to realize that all we can do is control ourselves. We cant expect the world to live by our standards (even family members and friends no one thinks exactly the same about every issue) and can’t blame people for things we do. Should an alcoholic now expect everyone in his life to never have a sip, let’s go further, what about restaurants they goto? Are you the in the camp of “If a woman wears a certain outfit she acts to be sexually assaulted?” Because that’s akin to A woman’s clothing caused a man to stumble.
@@arbretree5463 It may not be easy for them, but it sure is possible! Are you implying that straight men aren’t able to control themselves and can’t be helped if they act on their lust? Let me guess, you also believe men should be running the world and should be the head of their marriages too? These poor, out of control beings who need others to adapt their choice of clothing just to help them from having to feel lust. No, I’m afraid I don’t buy it. Women and men can wear what they want, as long as it’s legal. How we feel about that is up to us to manage.
@@swissmeringueclouds1428 No, that is not what I meant actually. I do believe guys can and should control their thoughts. It is just that they have to look away then and not give a second look to a scantily dressed woman.
I agree with your thoughts on this. Honestly, it’s a major reason that my husband and I do not go to a gym. The often flagrantly sexual displays as well as the general atmosphere of hook-up culture in a gym is, in our opinion, a reason to think twice about putting yourself in that environment if it can be avoided. Appreciate you guys!
In any setting, but especially in exercise, comfort and "modesty" are possible. Even looking decent. Modesty can still mean feeling pretty WITHOUT sexualizing ourselves. In 2023 it's more possible than ever, but it's still so common to show more than is necessary. It's hard to draw the line for where modesty is. But we each have to ask: if I'm in doubt if this it too much, then is it? Most likely, yes. Our men (and some women too) are BOMBARDED sexually and the people truly wanting to respect women and guard their own thought life and responses to temptation don't need more to struggle with. It's NEVER someone's fault who dresses a certain way if they get assaulted in some way, yet at the same time, we can't knowingly dangle ourselves in front of guys and wonder why they oogle women or behave certain ways. Modesty starts within.
I do agree with the modesty at the gym thing for the most part. I don’t like to wear leggings while working out because it makes me feel like my butt is just out there. But I’ll wear tight tanks and stuff like that because it is just more comfortable (I will also say I am not blessed up top so that does make a difference) however, I think that if as women we shouldn’t dress provocatively at the gym, then neither should men. Working out shirtless is just as distracting for women as booty shorts are for men.
He’s against women in skimpy outfits but he clearly looks at women in tight clothing at the gym. He sometimes prays at the gym to keep his thoughts and eyes pure when they should just be pure seeing he’s in a relationship. I mean I’m not perfect, or Christian, I just don’t look, it’s simple. It’s also easy.
I definitely felt conviction after watching this video. I bought some of those oversized shirts to cover my butt. I would love to see a follow up on bikini/bathing suit. I personally wear a one piece with swim shorts around my bf. Is it bad to wear a one piece if I’m with a group of girls at the beach? Thanks for your content as always. It is so helpful and makes me feel less isolated in this messed up world ❤
Love this video! I’ve watched your videos for years and y’all are awesome at creating thought provoking and funny videos. I think one of the reasons women show off their bodies is not just for men but also to “one up” other women. It’s exhausting feeling like you have to look better than those women who are wearing revealing clothes especially when you are out with your spouse. So I think a big reason women like to wear revealing things is so that we can feel like we win the mens’ eyes even if we don’t want the man. Its so messed up. But I think it’s something women don’t recognize. I’m learning to lift each other up and not compete. Just a thought! Keep creating, y’all!
Women want to be able to do whatever they want. When they are called out about they are extremely sensitive. We are facing heart issues Lord help. Also, our culture says “do you “ wear what makes you feel good etc. women are embracing this -Christian women should absolutely live different and dress modestly. Adorning shouldn’t external but hidden person of the heart
This isn’t solely an issue for women to navigate - men dress immodestly as well and women also struggle with lust. I’ve also found that some men dress in ways to get attention from other men in a “showing off” type of way, so it’s not just about women experiencing lust either, but about men being prideful, wanting attention, etc.
I hear everything that you’re saying. We do have to acknowledge that there is a different standard of modesty for all Christ followers. Some christ followers would look say what you are wearing now is immodest because Morgan wears makeup and pants, or shows Arms/legs etc. some Christ followers believe jewelry is immodest. So while I believe this is a good conversation, there truly is a different standard for many. The heart issue is important. So while you may think other people are immodest, some Christ followers think you are immodest.
So wait... we're supposed to "look pretty" (Paul's words) for other people out in public, but if we're wearing tight workout clothes, that means we want people to look at us in a lustful way?? And then if we don't go the gym, we don't care about our health and taking care of our bodies. Something doesn't add up here y'all... 🤔 Also, interesting that there was zero mention of a woman's comfort at the gym in this discussion, in terms of what clothing she wears to work out in. Y'all are making all of this much complicated than it needs to be and also reinforcing SA culture by framing it as the woman's responsibility to walk the line perfectly between being pretty and not looking like a sex object in the eyes of men. Very Jesus-like, as always 😂
I am a woman and I go to the gym 4 times a week on average and I always wear a loose, non-revealing sports outfit and always felt super comfortable. I think the idea that you have to wear skimpy, immodest clothes to be comfortable is simply a lie that women are conditioned to believe but does not hold true in practice.
I saw the reel that Morgan posted that day and shared it on my page. I used to go to the gym and wear somewhat revealing clothes before I came back to God. Never anything where inappropriate body parts were hanging out lol but still I look back and realize that my heart was not in the right place. I'm in a relationship now and only choose to workout at home because it is distracting when other men and women dress inappropriately. I also don't like feeling like men are "checking me out" while I'm there focused on living a healthier lifestyle. My boyfriend now goes to the gym sometimes after work and it makes me uncomfortable some days because I know some women aren't there mentally yet where they realize what they wear can cause others to lust after them.
Just wanted to say this as a truth in love kind of thing: Paul, if you have to pray for the Lord to help you guard yourself before going to the gym, you shouldn't be going to the gym. I'm not saying there's anything bad with praying!! No, I agree and I so much appreciate that my husband asks the Lord to help him guard his eyes. But it's not right to put yourself in a place where that temptation is all around, and ask the Lord to help you guard yourself. Also, as Christ followers, we shouldn't be supporting the gyms that allow this. Find a Christian gym, or work out outside at a park or something of the sort.
I really enjoyed this conversation because I’m a guy who has struggled to go to the Gym because of the attire that is worn. The issue that I’m having is women are not just wearing this stuff to the gym anymore, I see this stuff in the church at large now. And it’s very troubling. And it’s many of the Christian female leaders wearing this stuff as well. I believe the church should be an over all safe place for both men and women to not have to worry about stumbling in sun but when I look around and see what women are walking into church wearing it’s becoming very concerning to me, and making even coming to worship at church hard on a few occasions. This conversation was about being in the gym but it really could be a discussion about what we Christian are willing to leave the house in whether that’s to go shopping or going to church. Side note, they are not wearing sports bras in church but the really revealing leggings/spandex are becoming more and more popular in church.
If you were a true Bible-following Christian you would pluck out your own eyes, which is exactly what it says to do. Then you could go to the gym and church with no problem!
oh and my grazing of another being type of mention is a past trauma response PTSD lalala but I'm trying learning pieces of maybe if the common we are maybe needing a feedback of our body image because we lack self confidence
Jesus tells us to be apart from the world and to shine for HIM. So I personally believe that if we choose to wear more to be more covered than others (even if wearing less is more comfortable) , that it can be to represent Christ as a woman or man of God.
I live in China, and unbelievers (almost everyone) here dress much more conservatively than a lot of American Christians. American culture modesty standards are way on the liberal end, in my opinion.
Lol I’m 61 … ain’t no one seeing my curves even if I’m happy with’em. I listen to God’s Holy Spirit in all decisions. I wear long pants that are elasticy and honestly, I feel uncomfortable but I do wear a longer top and press down my bust to flat. I’m thin everywhere with a little bit tummy. At 61… even if a man looked at me, he wouldn’t see much. No jiggles here lol I do feel a bit uncomfortable in the form fitting pants so covering up with longer top with a round neck so a man will automatically know his eyes don’t have to watch me bending over. The floor exercises can be done at home. I saw a nice young lady today and I glanced at her sports bra top and thought oh I would feel so like showing off feeling around everyone if I did that. I personally go to gym because seeing others sweating/working out is the only way I’ll exercise. I’m doing it for good health and feeling good and I like to be slim and trim. I agreed with everything you both stated. What if the pastor or his wife walked in the gym? Hmmm how would she look?? Well… I have enough just living out my own salvation. Judge not and do what God’s Word says and ask Him for the answer and He will place the right things on your heart. I don’t know about young ladies but I’ll say something for certain… even secular type men … most do not look at a scantily dressed woman and see the mother of their future children lol
I think it depends of the person wearing the outfit. Some people will always be attractive to others, even if the person is completely covered up. Moreover, people who know how to move with finesse and grace while exercising will always be more attractive than the novice exerciser. We are human beings with procreative instincts, who can admire beauty in others without acting out and being lustful.
As a man in my early to mid 20s, it has gotten more difficult to bounce my eyes in the gym. I do my best to divert my eyes when ever I see a girl who is basically wearing nothing, but how is this even possible when literally 90% of girls wear gym clothes that are so tight that every curve and line is highlighted?
I mean respectfully Paul and Morgan I don’t agree with what you said about how women need to wear flannels when they go to the gym, I mean that’s personal conviction between you and god because when I use to go gym I will wear leggings and sport bra but I understand where y’all coming from I think there some gym clothes are already crossing the line and I think what the girl what she was wearing, I mean that’s litttle too much, I will also feel uncomfortable seeing women vagina but they are very cute gym clothes that you can wear, there’s fabletics, gym shark and target
As Christians, we should try to avoid causing our brothers and sisters in Christ from stumbling. If women have any respect for their brothers in Christ, they wouldn’t be dressed the way they do at the gym and in general (i.e., skimpy clothes)
And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:9 So... if Jesus told us to throw away our eye, he would probably also tell us to throw away the gym... He's talking about severing something that causes sin... And isn't our eye more valuable than a gym membership? Maybe someone will start a Christian gym with a dress code... that'd be cool! I like what was said about modesty being a heart issue and what someone is wearing reflects their heart... we should be concerned about that woman's heart, not her attire.
I support you because you do talk about hot button issues. I don’t see a lot of young people doing it. We are becoming the adult generation and what kind of culture are we creating for our kids if we don’t say anything. Loved Florida ❤️❤️❤️🌴🌴🌴, Paul and Morgan, and the crew that was there.
I personally wouldn’t say high waisted workout leggings (which are usually very thick material and meant to suck you in and stop all the jiggle) with a fitted tank top and sports bra (again meant to hold you in) is immodest. But I’ve also seen butt cheeks hanging from shorts or non workout leggings that are thin and you can see through them… that’s where I would personally draw the line.
I don't go to he gym and I'm so glad I don't because it seems neither men nor women know how to dress respectfully at the gym. What happened to leotards and tights or a leotard and modest shorts? Men too should consider keeping their shirts on too because there are women who struggle. My exercise attire is a modest exercise skirt with attached leggings and a t-shirt.
This was convicting for me. As a Christian, I need to be more aware of what I’m wearing. Goal is to be salt and not look just like the world. Thank you Paul & Morgan!
This is a lot of personal opinion on both ends, what does scripture say? Even the Bible says not everyone is called to teach. 👀 If we just do everything based on what we think, we do not truly know God. As Christian’s we need to get back to knowing who God is through the Bible. And I’m not talking about digging for scriptures to just prove your point. Genuinely reading and studying the word to know and understand who God is. Modesty is a personal choice, not based on pleasing people but pleasing God. If I have a relationship with Christ, and I’m not convicted to change my outfit then I’m good. The opinions of fallen humans does not matter, “for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.”
I used to do HIIT training in a gym and I wear skirts and dresses only all the time. They come at least to my mid-shin. I've biked, I've ran 5Ks, I've ice skated even SWAM all in a midi or longer skirt. I can do anything anyone else can do in pants or shorts in a long skirt. I know not everyone dresses like me or has those convictions but these excuses people have to dress with a shred of decency is laughable. Ive never worried about getting stuck in equipment or anything like that because that's plain silly.
What is laughable is that you wear a skirt or dress when running a 5K. I have never seen a single female runner over my 58 years of running who would wear a skirt or dress when running let along do any kind of cycling. It is not practical and it is clearly uncomfortable wearing this attire during the summer unless you are wearing some kind of cooling system underneath your dress to keep you from sweating to death.. If you want to cover yourself up then why don't you wear a pair of long tights or even sweat pants. That would be far better than wearing a dress of skirt. Not only that, but it could be even dangerous when cycling in a dress or skirt. Seeing that you believe in complete modesty, why don't you work out in a full burka? You can not get any more modest than that.
@@davidjones5547 how about letting this seemingly nice and respectful woman to dress modestly in her own way? why do you have to mock and tear her down? she’s doing it out of respect for others and it would be kind for you to keep your thoughts to yourself if they’re not uplifting. you have nothing to gain from being rude, and she could be really hurt by your words.
@@davidjones5547 Ive never had an issues with it. Maybe you could wear a dress or skirt for the next ten years like I have and then we can compare experiences 🤣
Outside perspective here, and not at all written with hate, but I just don’t understand why it always feels like a one sided take on just women? Is there such thing as male modesty? And educate me if I am wrong, but I’m curious about situations when it comes to going to public pools and beaches. What if a woman wants to swim? Shall she wear shorts and a tank top to not reveal her body to wandering eye? Again, im just curious. And there are a lot of grey areas, with give and take depending on certain situations. But i just dont understand why this topic is only open for in the gym. (I get that videos have limits and have to get to a point, though.)
Hey, appreciate the comment :) Modesty can def go both ways. As far as beach attire, watch our Bikini video :) ruclips.net/video/667BIl6HsHc/видео.html
Thoughts: Definitely a little disturbed by the clothing people wear to the gym. I love the idea of gender-only gyms. Unlucky for men, there aren't too many around compared to women's gyms... Maybe that's the next million dollar business idea haha
"I dress this way, because I feel comfortable doing so and it makes me happy." "Good for you, but whenever you're faced with gazes, you've no one to blame but yourself for that. Whether you care to admit it or not, you ARE looking for some form of attention" is my response to the ladies who dress in very little clothing, revealing more than any woman should. Gym is the place to work out, NOT look for dates or get the attentions of whoever. This is in reference to the "clothes" certain women wear that aren't tailored made to soak in their body's sweats, but them again seeking some form of attention.
What happens when they’re faced with more than “gazes” from men, such as verbal harassment or even physical touching? Do you think that’s acceptable if a woman is dressed in revealing clothes? And what exactly is “revealing”? What you deem revealing may be very modest to someone else. So who decides, you? If a woman is dressed modestly but has lots of makeup on and her face is extremely beautiful and her hair sexy looking does she then deserve to be glared at or catcalled? Or is it only making an effort with showing her body that deserves those reactions? Would be interested to hear your views.
i agree and this is why i love working out at home. i don't have to worry about my clothes and whether my clothes lead to lust. all you need is a couple pairs of dumbells and a small space! no temptation to show off either!
Once I rededicated my life to Christ, I gave up those gym outfits. I felt convicted before but ignored that for awhile because I preferred to look and feel “good”. But I also knew deep down that I was causing others to stumble. I honestly just stopped going to the gym but that’s another story.. modesty is so so important!!
You were causing others to stumble as in what? Look your way? We’re you openly flirting with people already taken? We’re you running around flashing people? (I doubt it) it’s not your responsibility or it’s not even possibly to control others thoughts. That’s not for you to carry and I’m sure it’s a lot for anyone to carry. It’s heavy feeling like you need to do all these things in hopes someone you don’t even know won’t do or will do something else? Reading it from this perspective it seems impossible, right? Do you subscribe to the thoughts of “well if she got raped and was wearing something deemed immodest, she was asking for it?” I feel that it doesn’t matter if a man or woman is wearing a thong or completely naked, touching or forcing yourself on someone else is never acceptable. End of story. When we as women go along with this narrative of causing men to stumble or cheat or fantasize by our actions, then it’s a very slippery slope. Where does that end? It lets men blame us for their shortcomings and mistakes. We all know that there’s 80 year old women who get raped and I can guarantee they weren’t wearing some super tiny outfit. People choose to do what they want to do and dressing even in a burka won’t guarantee someone to not lust over or force themselves on you if that’s what they’ve chosen, ya know? My point is don’t put all that pressure on yourself. If you do feel and look good, that’s great. Wear what you feel like yourself in, not what you think will help some random man not whatever. See how that statement is so broad, it’s like what really are you doing except letting a possibility and this concept rule your wardrobe and many other aspects. It will take awhile to detangle from that viewpoint but I know you have thought of some of the stuff I’m saying, prob just push it out of your head. I’m sure you are only doing what you think or has been taught to you is correct. Goto the gym, wear what makes you feel good and comfortable and don’t carry all that on your shoulders! ✌🏽💜
@@litgirlablaze3432 You are completely misunderstanding me. Nothing I said would point to me believing that it would be mine or any other woman’s fault for another man’s actual physical actions against a woman, like in terms of rape, sexual assault or harassment, etc. Nothing I said had anything to do with me giving any leniency to any man for forcing himself onto another woman or person for any reason what. so. ever. What I am talking about is different. Jesus says to any man “Anyone that looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his HEART.” As a Christian woman, I find it extremely important that we HELP our brothers avoid that at all costs. Wearing skin tight leggings and a crop top while squatting and doing burpees is not edifying to the body of Christ what so ever. It is extremely ignorant to act like being half naked is just as immodest as wearing a burka… that’s just being very dishonest. So no ma’am, I am going to keep going by my own convictions that the Holy Spirit has given me, and continue to lay my life down for others, and consider my brothers in Christ, in love, like Jesus told us to do in John chapter 15, “There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.” And Jesus even tells us to love our enemies, so how much more should I be to just anyone else? I do not feel any heavy burden by submitting to Christ and His commands and convictions that He gives me.
As a woman, wanting to see your muscles is not an excuse to wear immodest clothing. Same thing for men. Just be normal. Wear a normal leggings/shorts with an armless, thin shirt. If you wear a sports bra, chose a regular one that covers your breasts.
I 100% agree. And I believe the modesty standards should be applied to men as well. We often forget that women can struggle with lust, too. Unfortunately, I have seen women and even many men, for that matter, wearing extremely revealing and inappropriate clothing while at the gym which has left nothing to the imagination. While I have never felt tempted, there have been many times when I've felt extremely uncomfortable, like I can't even look in their direction. I absolutely relate to what you were sharing, Paul, about awkwardly walking with your head down while around them.
I never go to the gym or the beach, and haven't in well over a decade....... Plus, I loved track and field but nowadays the ladies wear very skimpy clothes.......and what about diving......women's sports overall are more of a modelling competition. They love showing off. Very sad.
Dude you're thinking way to deep into things. That's a you problem you shouldn't stop living your life because you can't control yourself. Work on yourself and live life. As a fellow Christian ✝️
I could see me changing my clothes into the tighter style because it's cooling it's umm less in my way ahhh awwwe yeah I've had that before that person not married but trusting and loving and well now it's not not to be made fun of we I feel have to make sure both sides are I feel spoken to with valid respect of each opinion my fav thing for me is to communicate my choice with or formation
Let's make this VERY SIMPLE....... If you are a professing Christian and you are dressing ANYWHERE with super body revealing outfits, then guess what? You are most likely not a true Christian or an infant Christian that needs some instruction. If you are not a Christian.......then all bets are off unless you were raised to be modest. Other than that either Christians need to remove themselves from a place where they might think they would stumble or look away, meaning.....go to these places only if you are very diciplined in not paying attention to skimpy dressed people.
Hey guys love your videos!! and appreciate the content but sometimes I feel like they are too long 😅 just some hopefully helpful feedback xx God bless ❤
Do NOT be a stumbling block for your brothers in Christ. Paul in the New Testament calls women to dress modestly for a reason. I can't believe this even needs to be discussed, are people who watch this channel even Christian 🤷 Do you not read the Bible? Are you not born again? Are you not led by the Spirit?
I would love to have segregation when it comes to the gym, as I've worn fairly modest outfits and still get unwanted attention. I think the testerone hit men get from working out makes it really hard for them. Especially as squatting, hip thrusts, rdls etc do seem sexual but are just really effective compound movements A female only gym would be perfect, but they don't have any where I'm from.
and it all needs be talked about communication doesn't if done with proper procedures and tactics of reality it can be really fun and helpful and hopeful and relationships can become more closely together in Connections hope they do too getting closer ahh knit and ad learning from one another connection I don't know but shorts alone just ate not my thing because I am not very happy with my pale legs lol and darker face hey u mean I would want some insight on how do you feel comfy for starters and why like would you want people to see all that eek but like it's to each their own I mean I don't want people really to be touching me like a person just rubbing up against Me and Me not knowing it necessarily and it's a loving action I felt as You were talking about the what's the others around parts awwwe I think it's almost mean well that maybe then more should be shared or opportunity to find another outlet for oh Tshirt or tank top and leggings that are covered by a linger tank top idk I don't have much because I don't constantly wear that type of stuff but also
Hey Fam, we know, modesty is a very controversial topic these days. But hear us out. Why are we wearing what we’re wearing to the gym? Ladies what’s going on in our hearts? Comment below and let us know if you agree or disagree with our thoughts and why! 😊
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P&M I hope you’re well and in good spirits. Thank you for facilitating conversation on a widely debated topic.
I believe this is a men’s issue because our behavior cannot be attributed to the actions of women. The female dancers I know dress modestly because of their individual convictions and faith in Christ. However, modesty is not a standard in their world so they do not expect others to do the same. At the end of the day, if a woman feels comfortable in her skin and chooses to wear tight clothing to the gym, hiking or a night out with friends, as men we cannot attribute our struggles and behavior to her.
The expectation of women to dress modestly for the sake of men is flawed because that line of thinking will not be accepted in similar situations. I’m an alcoholic, I cannot expect others to adhere to my convictions of sobriety, so I choose to avoid situations with heavy drinking. I am responsible for my actions. The brain is powerful and it does not take that much work to reprogram it so we are not constantly struggling with lust.
Paul and Morgan, from one Christian to another, please understand that this is legalism. Yes, we are to be modest, but you are adding to God’s Word, which is legalism. You are creating “rules” that aren’t in the Bible. I encourage you to please do an in-depth Bible study of modesty as well as legalism. Because how much have you studied this topic? You will be held accountable for every word you say on this platform, so I would hope you are preparing by doing in depth studies. I know you said you are still growing, and I am understanding of that, but perhaps then it’s not a good idea to speak with so much condemnation and authority on a topic you don’t fully understand yourselves.
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I agree! Thanks for being bold! It’s crazy that this isn’t clear among Christians. If women want men to take responsibility, then we should take some as well- its just that simple and it’s only fair. I kinda wished y’all would’ve touched out modesty for men at the gym. I feel like “modesty” typically refers to women but it’s not secret that men can be modest too ya know? So what’s your opinions on that :) also I’m curious what y’all’s thoughts are on bathing suits then🤔 God is good!
stop acting like little children . Paul come out of the closet already.
@@Phoebe907 Bold of you to assume that these people read.
Vagina is not a bad word. We can all be adults here. It’s literally just the name of a body part.
It’s actually not the correct word though, no one’s vagina “hangs out” unless they have a prolapse, which many women do, but I believe they’d have to be completely naked from the waist down for you to see it. If someone IS exercising naked in your gym, report them. Unless it’s a specialist nudist gym of course.
Purity culture in evangelical christianity leaves its victims in a state of arrested development. That's why you have grown women like Kristen and Bethany still acting like overgrown 13 year olds and Paul and Morgan unable to name body parts without giggling like schoolchildren.
I believe it’s because they don’t want to be monetized?
@@megans6768 if RUclips demonetize is for the word vagina that’s blasphemy. Plenty of doctors use that word. It’s medical.
@@arielrodriguez968 Ok? Still doesn't warrant people to dress so revealing. If they're over 18, well then, people need to look away if they have a problem with it.
First, grow up on saying the word Vagina. It’s a body part.
Second, modesty is subjective to each person/country/culture/religion/etc. something that is considered “immodest” to you, can be “modest” to someone else (or vice versa). So I really don’t feel like it’s your place to judge people’s clothing choices based on what your concept of modesty is. I do understand the concept of there being a place and time for certain clothes. Like don’t wear white to a wedding or don’t wear a swim suit to a funeral. But in the context of gym wear… let people wear whatever is comfortable for them to work out. It’s not really your place to judge someone if they choose to wear a sports bra and shorts to the gym, if that’s what’s comfortable for them or makes them feel good.
Someone’s bad choices are not someone else’s responsibility to manage!!
Also… I literally have been catcalled wearing the ugliest sweat pants with a T-shirt and big jacket. Every inch of me was covered with baggy clothing and a man still did something. So yes, Morgan women could wear a potato sack to the gym and men could still find a way to make the “modest” potato sack “immodest”
Oh shut up! The point is having consideration and respect for those around you! It's gross and classless! 😒 yeah it's true men cat call either way but you don't need to make it worse because you or whoever want attention...
Part of maturity is learning that you can’t control others. You can only control yourself and your choices.
Yup.... Those in recovery fully understand this.
Yes control your wardrobe
@@Colin-cb8hv yeah no. Control yourself.
Not true, you can cause others to lust. As in the Bible you SHALL not cause others to fall in sin or stumble. So, you are not right. Besides, recovery is not the same as this. YOu cannot compare. Seems you do not underst and lust is a sin and you can cause one to stumble through it.
@@shawnmendrek3544actually, that's not always the case where you cause other people to lust for you, it all really falls on the person who has those thoughts of lust and temptation in their hearts, as described in Matthew 5:28:
"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Often, a woman doesn't even have to wear anything revealing to be an object of lust. If teenagers and little girls become objects of lust for the sexually devious, are you really going to blame them for these men's sinful inclinations?
In some cultures, plain sleeveless t-shirt without extra cuts is considered to be skimpy. In some cultures, bikini - lookalike sport bras is considered to be just fine.
You have to keep into account that there are very legalistic places in the world, but there are also very godless places on the world. That is beside the point. If it can easily cause men to stumble, they shouldn’t wear it. Of course there’s nothing we can do about the worldly women, but Christian women need to remember this. Culture does not define truth and Gods word.
Men of all cultures have eyes
@@flightforlight157 But not all men have lusty ones :)
@@gwenpianotivation3156 most cultures in the 1800s or before had the women dress modestly, the only ones who didn't were very primitive and pagan like the savages. Still even some savages knew that the women should dress modestly
@@gwenpianotivation3156 it's better to observe the rule that includes the majority of men than the minority
I'll say it again, why is the modesty issue basically only being aimed at women and what they wear?
Because it is mostly girls who tend to struggle with immodesty.
Because it isn’t as big of an issue for most men. Dressing modestly is for God because our body is not our own. It’s not about preventing the male gaze.
Because it's the women who wear the revealing outfits, Paul in the New Testament calls women to dress modestly. The gym outfits women wear nowadays look like something out of a p*rn movie.
@@dazza8551 right I just think we have to be careful not to slut shame.
In the context of the gym men don’t tend to wear anything revealing so it’s aimed at women
The problem is, what someone declares to be “modest”, is actually very revealing to someone else. And vice versa. There’s a Christian influencer who recently did a try on of supposed “modest swimwear” and to my eyes, it was fairly revealing. (I don’t mind personally, because what women choose to wear doesn’t concern me), however her own followers were criticising her over her choices and she was replying that modesty is subjective.
So who decides? This woman btw is a very devoted and serious Christian. And speaking from personal experience, I’ve been catcalled, harassed and TOUCHED by strange men, no matter what I wear. When I’ve covered up, men have still been inappropriate with me. How about, we focus some more attention on MEN and teach/expect them not to look at women, or if they can’t help looking, keep their hands and mouths to themselves. We can’t control others, only ourselves surely? This is my proposition as an alternative to focusing on women and expecting the onus to be on them to manage mens feelings and urges.
Absolutely
AGREEED!!!!!!!
If we dress modestly that’s all we are called to do. Modesty - no privates hanging out. If men cat call when you are modest that’s on them! Not you. But if you dress revealing… you have to hold yourself accountable
@@shelbiecarson2843 nopeeee. No one ever deserves to be harassed by anyone. Men have the ability to control themselves and not cat call you know.
@@shelbiecarson2843 How far do you take that mindset? Stared at - hold yourself accountable. Catcalled - hold yourself accountable. Being flashed by a man - hold yourself accountable. A sneaky grab of the boob - hold yourself accountable. A tongue shoved into your mouth - hold yourself accountable. Full blown rape resulting in internal injuries - hold yourself accountable.
I’m genuinely asking, where do you personally draw the line, when it stops being the woman’s fault for dressing revealingly, and starts to become the man’s fault for his choice in behaving that way?
“And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.”
Patiently awaiting Paul to pluck out his eyes on camera.
You may be waiting a while! He has no reason to challenge his thoughts on this when he has a wife and plenty of supporters on here who will validate his philosophy on what women choose to wear on their own bodies 😢
@@swissmeringueclouds1428 You’re right. I guess he’s not a true Christian after all 😔
God calls women and men to both dress modestly and control our thoughts.
@@swissmeringueclouds1428 he does. If you listened he said, he sometimes prays about it, when working out in the gym.
Paul hasn't even read the whole Bible
Are the minds of men so fragile that we cannot control our thoughts? Are our minds that weak that we cannot look past a woman's body?
Men, we can and must do better. This responsibility cannot be on women. Our minds are stronger then we give them credit for. Just like an addict fighting sobriety make the choice before getting to the gym and you'll be surprised what happens. More times than not, if we fall, we've made the choice to fall long before getting to the gym.
We can do this and that will protect our sisters.
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@willbanks9294 Amazing comment 👏 More men need to speak out like this.
It’s not just the man’s responsibility. As Christians, we should try to avoid causing our brothers and sisters in Christ from stumbling. If women have any respect for their brothers in Christ, they wouldn’t be dressed the way they do at the gym (i.e., skimpy clothes)
It's as much THEIR responsibility as it is yours, old man. Shame you don't understand that. :)
@@mary103 Good day Mary103, I hope you’re well and in good spirits. I agree with your premise of protecting brothers and sisters to an extent. Expanding on it, the protection of brothers and sisters is a human mandate as we are commanded by Christ to love those around us. At an overtly religious event, those who observe that faith might consider dressing accordingly.
Outside of overtly religious events and among those that do not practice Christianity, one cannot expect others to adhere to their standards of modesty. The female dancers I know dress modestly because of their individual convictions of modesty as they are both Christian. However, modesty is not a standard in their world so they do not expect others to do the same. At the end of the day, if a woman feels comfortable in her skin and chooses to wear tight clothing to church, gym, hiking or a night out with friends, as men we cannot attribute our struggles to what she is wearing.
The expectation of women to dress modestly for the sake of men is flawed because that line of thinking will not be accepted in similar situations. I’m an alcoholic, I cannot expect others to adhere to my convictions of sobriety, so I choose to avoid situations with heavy drinking.
I totally understand the idea of modesty, but to just call ALL girls out to “go somewhere else with there ‘skimpy’ clothing”… doesn’t give off a Christian attitude. As you stated in the beginning of the video, this was directed towards Christians. All girls in the gym are NOT Christians, and just because we are we shouldn’t tell them to go! They have the freedom of choice just as we do. I feel like the tweet was rude, and even ruder when reposted by you, Paul. What about the guys who have their shirts off, are we gonna speak on them? Love your content a ton, but this seemed a little judgmental to me… and I’m only here in the video 5:00 . Still left a like!❤️
Appreciate the respectful comment, but I would have had the same attitude if I wasn’t a Christian. This is not about representing Christ (for outsiders) but about general common courtesy. I am from a different country and dressing like that outside is just seen as disrespectful, cheap, and inappropriate. Also, men shoukd definitely not have their shirts off. But they talked about that in the swimsuit video.
So I went to high school in Utah and we had our swimming state championships at BYU (mormon college) and we all found it hilarious that, for swimmers, it was fine to walk around in these skin tight competition suits, super tiny practice suits, men wearing speedos, etc. But the REST of the gym had an insane dress code to promote "modesty".
Here's the thing, NONE of the male swimmers had an issue with seeing the women in these suits. Why? Because they practice with them 2 hours a day and they get used to it, and they learned to treat the female swimmers like human beings with value and talent, rather than just an attractive fit body to lust after. I don't think modesty is really ever the issue, I think it's a mindset issue. And that's on YOU to fix for yourself. Not for the women to cover up and try to fix for you.
I know what you’re saying. I grew up as a swimmer all through my school years
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Agreed. Running track in school women in tight bottoms and sports braw was the norm. LOL... Sadly, this topic hurts women far more then men.
@@janeferguson7608 I ran track and seeing women in right clothing was the norm. We'd all take ice baths in the big @$$ tub and talk about sore muscles and our 4x1 handoffs... This topic has been hijacked by those who fail to take responsibility for their own actions.
I agree with some things you say but overall I think you are missing the point. The diving team suits nowadays, even in College, are ridiculously skimpy......Women's backside cannot be covered because there is not enough material on the suit to even cover it some.........I do not believe for ONE SECOND that the guys (if attracted to women) ignore that like it's no big deal. Maybe at the meet itself they are on guard but I am sure they think about the look and talk about it later with the other guys. Your mindset comment, Yes, can be true but that takes a well disciplined Christian who has been walking in their faith for some time but even they still stumble. Women sports in general do a disservice to women UNLESS the women (18 and over) HAVE A CHOICE to wear something skimpy or something more modest.
Men will lust over a pretty woman even if she’s wearing a potato sack. A lust problem has nothing to do with clothing
LOL.... Early in my research career, people that speak about lust and women's clothing, at best, have a basic understanding of sexuality.
We addressed this :)
@@PaulandMorgan no you didn't, you said it's on the man if the WOMAN has done everything in her power to be 'modest', you didn't talk about lust and the dangers of uncontrolled sexualisation of women's bodies and this ideology leading to rape culture.
No, not just after a "pretty" woman.
And also is Morgan right when she said, that it's less likely that a man has unpure thoughts when she wears a "potatoe sack". And she said that if you wear clothes that are God honoring and not revealing, than you have done what you can, and now it's the man's business and not yours anymore.
Oh no, men can't control their eyes while a woman is trying to better their health. THESE POOR MEN!!
fr! i am so sick of these people defending gross behavior from men, if they can't control their eyes and thoughts when they see a woman (regardless of how clothed they are) that says so much more about them rather than the woman that's "tempting them"...
Women and men are called to both dress modestly and control their thoughts.
@@arbretree5463 Women are not going to gyms to try to tempt men. Honestly, they are dressing for comfort. God also told men to pluck out their eyes. Women are not at fault for men's lustful thoughts.
@@nicolestrickland90 I go to the gym 4 times a week on average and I wear modest, comfortable gym clothes. I don't think you have to wear tight, skimpy clothes to be comfortable. God calls women to dress modestly even though it is always a guy's fault in the end if he chooses to lust.
@@arbretree5463 that's great for you. And I wouldn't be surprised if a man has still looked at you no matter what youve warn. Because it doesn't matter your clothes... men are gonna look regardless if they see an attractive woman.
I was the girl that commented on insta about how your post made me rethink my outfit. This video also really made me more aware of my outfit choices so thank you. I really examined my heart and feel like the reason I would wear more revealing things is I was insecure and wanted validation 🤷🏼♀️ It’s something I need to give to God and find my worth and validation in Him ❤️
Amen, so good❤️
I do not like this topic, it’s feels perverted and weird. Just don’t go to gyms if you risk being tempted at looking at other people.
Instead of playing the victim as the woman, I think it goes both ways. What's stopping women from not wearing skin-tight clothing when going to the gym as if it was some sort of p-rn set? Let's not pretend that women don't realize this. If you truly are doing it "for yourself," why don't you just sit at home all day wearing the most skin-tight spandex clothes you can get?
What about men who choose to work out shirtless or even tight clothes? I work out at home, so thank God I don't have to worry. I like to be comfortable. Wanting to look sexy is my last concern. I usually wear a sports bra and short shorts or leggings. And my God, what's wrong with the word, vagina? Not saying it should be shown, but good grief it's not a four letter word. And stop putting all the modesty issues on women only.
Don't compare women's bodies to men's, old woman. They AREN'T the same. Stop using the "what about" argument, and just TAKE responsibility for what you wear or don't wear at the gym, instead of crying "What about men?". If you're truly a "Woman of God", you'd own up to YOUR responsibity as a woman to always remain modest, and if that's too much for you, here's an idea, work out at home and save yourself plenty of money. It'll do you good and help you live a happier life, without going "What about this?" and that. ;) Haha
@James Mary excuse me, first as I mentioned above, I do work out at home. Second I'm a former evangelical who does not subscribe to your doctrines. And 3rd, it's absurd how only women are forced to get blamed for the modesty issue. And by the way, I'm 43. Neither young or old, but middle-aged.
Great topic. I find that men don’t usually leer because they would be shamed for it, but women actually look the MOST. So I feel like women actually wear this kind of stuff to show off to other WOMEN.
But what about guys who wear tank tops that barely cover their chests, or tops that have full body slits on the sides? Why did that never get mentioned? Why is this only directed at women?
I don’t know if it’s fair to question anyone’s Christianity because of their workout wear. As you said what one wears thinking it’s modest, another would never wear it thinking it’s modest.
We can’t just pretend once we’re married or in a relationship we don’t find the other sex attractive anymore. That’s okay and totally normal, can we all agree that doesn’t go away when you become a spouse? Can we take a look, admire the persons beauty or outfit or whatever and then move along with our lives? Even see the person decide in your head you’d never wear it and move on?
What I don’t understand is when Paul said that women should wear flannel to cover the butt, I don’t agree with that at all because, they are super cute pieces gym outfits leggings and sport bra..I feel he was little too far on that because, I mean I don’t get that at all
@@melissacalderon1515 forget about what Paul think’s what does Jesus thinks ?
I don’t need yours, Paul or society opinion
I go to my father and say God what about this outfit or this ? Or that ? It’s not pleasing yourself or men is what God thinks.
Modestly is important to God.
Yes men need to have control and actually let the temptation/ lust go to God but same goes to us ladies.
Anyways have a great day.
@@ashantiii1178 yeah that’s what’s what my mom tells me, who cares about what people..what God think amen sis 💗
I think most Christians are striving to avoid looking at p-rn and going to a gym or even a beach is just making it more difficult not to then go home and look at p-rn. It IS wise to workout at home, Christians.
We’ve all gotta be wise and consider what’s best for ourselves :)
Good job Paul and Morgan! You are speaking the truth here. God convicted me about this same thing a while ago and I believe a lot of it is a sanctification process the Lord will take you on as you go deeper with him. It’s sad to see so many comments of women trying to defend themselves, ultimately it’s up to them and God there. But for the ladies who love the Lord they should love his word and do as it says, and not contribute to making our Christian brothers stumble. Just cheering you guys on as you speak “controversial” topics like this.
I was thinking the same way lately that a lot of our siblings especially Christian women are just looking wild and half naked everywhere from instagram to real life. And I pray that their mentality change as all of this just break my heart .
As a Christian woman, this is my personal opinion, and maybe this will resonate with others: let people wear whatever they choose! Live and let live!👏
If one feels uncomfortable or "tempted to act upon" other people's garment choices in a particular environment, then don't go to that specific place or activity that you know will "tempt you."
Whether you like it or not, you cannot control what people wear (even if they're a believer.)
The world is full of people who like to dress more revealing, and they're everywhere you go; sometimes, it's intentional, and other times it is not. We may never know people's true intentions or motives for how they dress... However, there is one thing I know for certain; it is not for us to judge
(especially those who are in Christ!)
These issues on "modesty" should not be solely put on women's shoulders.
I understand your intentions in educating fellow Christians on what should and shouldn't be worn publicly.
However, this video came off as finger-pointing specifically towards women and had a "holier than thou" undertone as well.
My mother grew up in a church that constantly shamed women for how they dressed and looked:
Their skirts had to be ankle length, hair had to be long, heavy makeup was prohibited, and they weren't allowed to wear shirts with a neckline below the collarbone. I understand that this is more of an extreme viewpoint than the topic of this video; however, these mindsets and teachings are similar and can be highly damaging to the church.
Since I am a Christian woman, I follow the Holy Spirit within for my clothing choices. If i have a sense of peace and feel comfortable with something and go through my own personal checklist of making sure it fits me well and that I don't expose myself in a way I don't want to, I proceed with wearing it.
Nonetheless, what feels and looks modest to me may not look or feel modest to others, which is absolutely valid!
I occasionally wear tank tops and mini skirts, and I know I am not sexualizing myself in any way or trying to "tempt" men by wearing clothes that I find to be cute and fashionable.
I’ve been cat-called wearing a turtleneck and a maxi skirt, as well as wearing a swimsuit at the poolside (nothing will stop pervy or "tempted men.")
If a man is tempted to lust over my legs, bum, or breasts, that says much more about him than it does me... Women are not responsible for the thoughts or actions of men that have their minds in the gutter (so to speak.)
So maybe instead of hyper-focusing on "what's wrong with women" and shaming them for their choices of clothing, we should take the time and energy spent on that and put it towards spreading the love of Christ through our words and actions. I can guarantee more people are gonna get saved that way!
Lastly:
A man, ESPECIALLY a married man has no right to criticize and make remarks about a woman's body and what she wears (specifically talking about a woman he is not married to, that's just strange and really creepy..)
Just some food for thought, Paul and Morgan!
P.s: vagina isn't a swear word so let's stop acting like it is :)
Keep telling yourself that, "Christian" girl.
It's YOUR responsibility, as the woman, to NOT wear clothing that's revealing in ANY way, whether you're seeking men's attention or not. Your opinions are your own, but THAT is a fact. You make it seem like it's men's fault, when in truth it's yours and women like you. Rather than shifting blames, learn to wear APPROPRIATE clothings for places where one WORKS OUT.
@@jamesmary8953 Would you mind explaining why this woman has been catcalled and harassed while dressed modestly? And why I and many others have been harassed and physically assaulted as a CHILD and an adult wearing extremely modest and ugly clothing?
And why when I’ve been dressed in revealing clothes and also drunk, in my younger days, true gentlemen have treated me with respect and kindness and wouldn’t even dream of being so disgusting?
Do you not think it’s about the man and how he views women, and how he decides to act around them? Or is it purely in the woman’s power how she “makes” a man act?
@@jamesmary8953 ummm NO! It’s on men to control themselves. This comment actually disgusts me!
@@jamesmary8953 amen
You guys say you want to talk
About stuff but only reply to the comments that are exactly agreeing.
So I’m asking this directly….is it ok to dress immodestly when is for a paid video such as a body painting exercise while being pregnant?
Before anyone thinks this is rude, this is trying to show people that no one is perfect. And we shouldn’t throw stones when we live in glass houses. In this video Morgan got so close saying that she dresses certain ways others wouldn’t think are modest but she does & instead of leaving it as that they kept tryin to shame women and make it seem like Men have no authority over their own actions.
After reading other comments and getting notifications of replies and likes to my comments, I wanted to ask the men something…..
When you guys are saying that you pray and ask God to help you not stumble, to help you not be tempted etc.
Truthfully, what are you afraid of happening? Cheating? Maybe you shouldn’t be in a committed relationship if that is such a huge fear. Are you afraid that if you’re alone you will act on something even if the woman isn’t into it? Are you afraid of forcing yourself on someone? Because this is a two way street. If you aren’t like that, then it doesn’t matter how attracted you are physically to someone, it takes two to tango. (So to speak) I doubt anyone is going to reply “yes I am afraid to possibly rape someone if I am left alone with a woman I feel is attractive.” Or anything along those lines…but if you are having those thoughts you need to speak w someone and figure out what’s up and rectify that.
But think about it a random woman at the gym, and you’re in a monogamous relationship/marriage what could you possibly be doing besides looking? Have a thought? It’s proven we can’t control all of our thoughts and we all have had wild ones, violent ones, scary ones, etc. That doesn’t mean we act on them.
It comes down to having respect, both for themselves and for the men. As well as respect for other women. I get it that, non-Christian women, don't understand or care. But as a Christian woman we should know better (and doing it out of love for, Christ). And it should be vice versa, men need to learn to respect women and be taught to do so.
Good stuff!
I’ve done many different sports growing up like gymnastics, soccer, ballet ( yes I do consider it a sport) and swim team and the thing is in those environments the human body is not taboo. It’s a normal part of the sport. I am a Christian and I do dress modestly in the gym but I also like to wear a sports bra if I’m feeling really warm that day. I do think modesty is about more than just what you wear but I also agree that there is a line.
Ok guys, it's time for a little boomer advice here.
Ladies - use your judgement and wear what is most comfortable and modest to allow you to get the most optimal workout. Do not judge others.
Gentlemen - use your judgement and wear what is most comfortable and modest to allow you to get the most optimal workout. Do not judge others.
It's that easy. Don't overcomplicate it.
Modesty has become such a slippery slope to me
Cause anything can be a turn on
If a guy wears a tank top it can turn people on to a woman and cause her to list
If we really want to commit to this mindset men shouldn't wear tank tops
A woman can wear skinny jeans and still be a turn on
Let the Holy Spirit convict you on this issue
Cause there is no absolute answer
Well I think it is mainly about private parts such as the butt, breats, penis, vagina. Showing too much skin. Ect. I could be wrong here. Heck even cleavage. I have seen modest men and women, I mean larger men with muscles, who kept it modest. Anyways, later.
I think what’s appropriate, and what I stick to is:
-just a normal sports bra that covers your boobs
and
-either normal spandex biker short types (like down to mid calf at least & don’t roll up)
Or
-those normal loose/poofy booty shorts (not the skin tight ones), that do fully cover your butt.
(hopefully those descriptions made sense 😂)
Just my opinion. But that is what feels comfortable to me, largely because I don’t like wearing tank tops or other looser/flowy things when I’m working out. The extra fabric bothers me & Is a distraction when I’m working out.
Thank you for sharing! 😊
Genuine question: do you feel like you are being set apart where wearing this type of outfits or do you feel like you are just conforming to the world's standards and dressed like any worldly girl?
Sport pants and a t- shirt. It's that simple 😂
Really appreciate this video. We don't see a lot of content creators being willing to be open about this topic. I think y'all came at this with a lot of humility, there will always be those who don't understand the concept of modesty, but I admire your boldness. God bless your work:)
Thank you Gracie❤️❤️
Honestly, as a woman, whenever I choose to reveal certain "sexy" or revealing outfits, I have to accept that people will look more so than not. To have other women wear the same things and say that men shouldn't look or whatever is not really living in the real world.
I really really hate when Christians say things like "it's not our job to keep men from stumbling" "I can wear what I want because the men just shouldn't look". As Christian women especially, we can be kind and play a part in protecting the men around us. They are preyed upon every day! I want my husband to be around women who respect him and themselves so he doesn't have to work so hard to protect his eyes for God, me, and himself! Most girls know what they are wearing and why they are wearing it!!
Thanks for the comment❤️❤️
True
Honestly if your husband is "having a hard time" that's on him tbh. Also clothing doesn't make someone have "less respect" for themselves you're just objectifying women automatically. That's a y'all problem
@@vickyisthicciana yes, if my husband or any man is having a hard time, they do need to work on themselves. But I wouldn't eat a big, greasy cheeseburger and a shake in from of a person struggling to follow a diet. It's just not respectful of others.
@@canalawrence9878 why shouldn't you eat a shake and fries if someone's on a diet? You're not the one on the diet it's up to the person on the diet to stay on said diet therefore it's the men's fault for lusting. The way of thinking makes zero sense women can wear whatever they want fix your terrible men
Frequent watcher here! I don’t know how I missed this video!
I do think this is a bit of a miss, for me personally & that is from someone who generally covers up while at the gym. In my expirience, In the Christian community I see a lot more of the responsibility placed on the women rather than men. As someone who grew up in peak modesty culture and conservative environment, I was also sexualized at a very early age, and I was dressed very conservatively. I remember this well, & was always taught by other people that it was something I wear. I work with kids now and realize how sad it was thag at a young age I felt sexualized, not only because I was dressed conservatively, but also because I was a child and men have the responsibility to not look at women that way.
I have a husband who goes went to the gym for a long time, and he accepted his responsibility. He recently started going to the gym at our apartment complex because he wanted to start to avoid that temptation. He didnt place it on other people.
I think your opinion is fair in some aspects, but a little off in other, of course that is just my opinion of course! I truly do believe it is a heart issue, and there is no “right way” to be modest…
I have been following you guys since I was 19 and I am now 24. I would describe myself as someone who has constantly struggled with my faith and my journey with Christ has been bumpy since I was a teenager. I watch your videos every week and am so appreciative of your perspective and convictions, even if I don’t always agree. Thank you for making videos like this as you two are really the only Christian people I have in my life holding me accountable. I hope to continue to learn and grow from you. ❤
Thanks for talking about this guys! Love the openness and real conversation!❤ I too appreciate when girls dress modestly at the gym.
We all look, when someone’s body is showing or people are wearing things that cause attention even women who aren’t attracted to women. It’s ok to look but don’t stare. It’s kinda concerning that it’s such a struggle and having to look down and that sounds like some personal issues that need to be worked through. Looking doesn’t mean you have some sort of crazy nasty thoughts cause I know if I happen to catch a woman’s cleavage or something in my view it’s not that at all. Or if I see an attractive man with his shirt off being a straight woman.
The outfits are tempting? Difficult? I’m confused? What do you think you’re gonna do? You are in a committed monogamous relationship and have taken a vow so it shouldn’t matter if someone is naked in front of you, you do not act on that.
Also that woman is right, weirdly the most times I’m talked to is when I am in Pjs at the gas station or grocery shopping no makeup on. So yes they will look and try to get your number no matter how you look.
Very well said 👏
I don't mean it in a rude way but I think you genuinely do not understand how a guy's brain works unfortunately. It is not that easy to always have to look away when you are surrounded by women dressed inappropriately. Men can easily get tempted to lust if they see mostly scantily dressed girls at the gym. Men are way more visual than women. Of course, it is easy for us as straight women to be able to look at other girls and not be affected by that. However, it is very different for heterosexual men.
@@arbretree5463 Lust as you see someone you find sexually attractive and admire their beauty? Or you can’t stop yourself from staring and drooling? You think you may force yourself on this person? Do you think if a woman dressed a certain way she is just ready to hook up w any guy interested?
I’m not sure how old you are but we have to realize there will be many things in our lives that are out of our control and we need to realize that all we can do is control ourselves. We cant expect the world to live by our standards (even family members and friends no one thinks exactly the same about every issue) and can’t blame people for things we do.
Should an alcoholic now expect everyone in his life to never have a sip, let’s go further, what about restaurants they goto?
Are you the in the camp of “If a woman wears a certain outfit she acts to be sexually assaulted?” Because that’s akin to A woman’s clothing caused a man to stumble.
@@arbretree5463 It may not be easy for them, but it sure is possible! Are you implying that straight men aren’t able to control themselves and can’t be helped if they act on their lust? Let me guess, you also believe men should be running the world and should be the head of their marriages too? These poor, out of control beings who need others to adapt their choice of clothing just to help them from having to feel lust. No, I’m afraid I don’t buy it. Women and men can wear what they want, as long as it’s legal. How we feel about that is up to us to manage.
@@swissmeringueclouds1428 No, that is not what I meant actually. I do believe guys can and should control their thoughts. It is just that they have to look away then and not give a second look to a scantily dressed woman.
I agree with your thoughts on this. Honestly, it’s a major reason that my husband and I do not go to a gym. The often flagrantly sexual displays as well as the general atmosphere of hook-up culture in a gym is, in our opinion, a reason to think twice about putting yourself in that environment if it can be avoided.
Appreciate you guys!
Appreciate you sharing :)
In any setting, but especially in exercise, comfort and "modesty" are possible. Even looking decent. Modesty can still mean feeling pretty WITHOUT sexualizing ourselves. In 2023 it's more possible than ever, but it's still so common to show more than is necessary. It's hard to draw the line for where modesty is. But we each have to ask: if I'm in doubt if this it too much, then is it? Most likely, yes.
Our men (and some women too) are BOMBARDED sexually and the people truly wanting to respect women and guard their own thought life and responses to temptation don't need more to struggle with. It's NEVER someone's fault who dresses a certain way if they get assaulted in some way, yet at the same time, we can't knowingly dangle ourselves in front of guys and wonder why they oogle women or behave certain ways. Modesty starts within.
I do agree with the modesty at the gym thing for the most part. I don’t like to wear leggings while working out because it makes me feel like my butt is just out there. But I’ll wear tight tanks and stuff like that because it is just more comfortable (I will also say I am not blessed up top so that does make a difference) however, I think that if as women we shouldn’t dress provocatively at the gym, then neither should men. Working out shirtless is just as distracting for women as booty shorts are for men.
Appreciate the perspective :)
I totally agree with you.
Yeah!! That’s crazyy!! and it’s really sad that this happens even in christian college campuses
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A voice note to Paul's and Morgan's 'Christians, Let's Talk About The Skimpy Gym Outfits' video
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He’s against women in skimpy outfits but he clearly looks at women in tight clothing at the gym. He sometimes prays at the gym to keep his thoughts and eyes pure when they should just be pure seeing he’s in a relationship. I mean I’m not perfect, or Christian, I just don’t look, it’s simple. It’s also easy.
I definitely felt conviction after watching this video. I bought some of those oversized shirts to cover my butt. I would love to see a follow up on bikini/bathing suit. I personally wear a one piece with swim shorts around my bf. Is it bad to wear a one piece if I’m with a group of girls at the beach? Thanks for your content as always. It is so helpful and makes me feel less isolated in this messed up world ❤
Love this video! I’ve watched your videos for years and y’all are awesome at creating thought provoking and funny videos.
I think one of the reasons women show off their bodies is not just for men but also to “one up” other women. It’s exhausting feeling like you have to look better than those women who are wearing revealing clothes especially when you are out with your spouse. So I think a big reason women like to wear revealing things is so that we can feel like we win the mens’ eyes even if we don’t want the man. Its so messed up. But I think it’s something women don’t recognize. I’m learning to lift each other up and not compete. Just a thought!
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Women want to be able to do whatever they want. When they are called out about they are extremely sensitive. We are facing heart issues Lord help. Also, our culture says “do you “ wear what makes you feel good etc. women are embracing this -Christian women should absolutely live different and dress modestly. Adorning shouldn’t external but hidden person of the heart
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This isn’t solely an issue for women to navigate - men dress immodestly as well and women also struggle with lust. I’ve also found that some men dress in ways to get attention from other men in a “showing off” type of way, so it’s not just about women experiencing lust either, but about men being prideful, wanting attention, etc.
I hear everything that you’re saying. We do have to acknowledge that there is a different standard of modesty for all Christ followers. Some christ followers would look say what you are wearing now is immodest because Morgan wears makeup and pants, or shows Arms/legs etc. some Christ followers believe jewelry is immodest. So while I believe this is a good conversation, there truly is a different standard for many. The heart issue is important. So while you may think other people are immodest, some Christ followers think you are immodest.
I've been going to the gym for 6 years I enjoyed this video 🙌 good question to ask myself an check my heart.
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So wait... we're supposed to "look pretty" (Paul's words) for other people out in public, but if we're wearing tight workout clothes, that means we want people to look at us in a lustful way?? And then if we don't go the gym, we don't care about our health and taking care of our bodies. Something doesn't add up here y'all... 🤔 Also, interesting that there was zero mention of a woman's comfort at the gym in this discussion, in terms of what clothing she wears to work out in. Y'all are making all of this much complicated than it needs to be and also reinforcing SA culture by framing it as the woman's responsibility to walk the line perfectly between being pretty and not looking like a sex object in the eyes of men. Very Jesus-like, as always 😂
I am a woman and I go to the gym 4 times a week on average and I always wear a loose, non-revealing sports outfit and always felt super comfortable. I think the idea that you have to wear skimpy, immodest clothes to be comfortable is simply a lie that women are conditioned to believe but does not hold true in practice.
Yeah not to mention Paul has no education
I saw the reel that Morgan posted that day and shared it on my page. I used to go to the gym and wear somewhat revealing clothes before I came back to God. Never anything where inappropriate body parts were hanging out lol but still I look back and realize that my heart was not in the right place. I'm in a relationship now and only choose to workout at home because it is distracting when other men and women dress inappropriately. I also don't like feeling like men are "checking me out" while I'm there focused on living a healthier lifestyle. My boyfriend now goes to the gym sometimes after work and it makes me uncomfortable some days because I know some women aren't there mentally yet where they realize what they wear can cause others to lust after them.
I really do appreciate you guys talking about this and being honest.
Thanks for sharing, Andrea😊
Paul is probably jelly because the girl doing squats.. squats more and has some nice strong gletues maximus.
You just made my day!😂
Just wanted to say this as a truth in love kind of thing: Paul, if you have to pray for the Lord to help you guard yourself before going to the gym, you shouldn't be going to the gym. I'm not saying there's anything bad with praying!! No, I agree and I so much appreciate that my husband asks the Lord to help him guard his eyes. But it's not right to put yourself in a place where that temptation is all around, and ask the Lord to help you guard yourself. Also, as Christ followers, we shouldn't be supporting the gyms that allow this. Find a Christian gym, or work out outside at a park or something of the sort.
I really enjoyed this conversation because I’m a guy who has struggled to go to the Gym because of the attire that is worn. The issue that I’m having is women are not just wearing this stuff to the gym anymore, I see this stuff in the church at large now. And it’s very troubling. And it’s many of the Christian female leaders wearing this stuff as well. I believe the church should be an over all safe place for both men and women to not have to worry about stumbling in sun but when I look around and see what women are walking into church wearing it’s becoming very concerning to me, and making even coming to worship at church hard on a few occasions. This conversation was about being in the gym but it really could be a discussion about what we Christian are willing to leave the house in whether that’s to go shopping or going to church.
Side note, they are not wearing sports bras in church but the really revealing leggings/spandex are becoming more and more popular in church.
Appreciate you sharing :)
If you were a true Bible-following Christian you would pluck out your own eyes, which is exactly what it says to do. Then you could go to the gym and church with no problem!
@ihateveryone154 I’ll go to the gym in a burqa as soon as Paul plucks out his eyes on camera. Deal?
@ihateveryone154 Very low for what? For advocating that Paul follow the Bible?
I just don't think Paul is straight. Or that Morgan is happy. I feel for you both. Very sad.
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oh and my grazing of another being type of mention is a past trauma response PTSD lalala but I'm trying learning pieces of maybe if the common we are maybe needing a feedback of our body image because we lack self confidence
If you have a problem with your environment (aka what people wear) you should stay home or learn to self regulate when at the gym.
Jesus tells us to be apart from the world and to shine for HIM. So I personally believe that if we choose to wear more to be more covered than others (even if wearing less is more comfortable) , that it can be to represent Christ as a woman or man of God.
I live in China, and unbelievers (almost everyone) here dress much more conservatively than a lot of American Christians. American culture modesty standards are way on the liberal end, in my opinion.
That’s interesting, appreciate you sharing.
A lot of guys would say that it’s not tempting because they want girls to keep wearing that or they are scared of them which is funny
Lol I’m 61 … ain’t no one seeing my curves even if I’m happy with’em.
I listen to God’s Holy Spirit in all decisions.
I wear long pants that are elasticy and honestly, I feel uncomfortable but I do wear a longer top and press down my bust to flat.
I’m thin everywhere with a little bit tummy.
At 61… even if a man looked at me, he wouldn’t see much.
No jiggles here lol
I do feel a bit uncomfortable in the form fitting pants so covering up with longer top with a round neck so a man will automatically know his eyes don’t have to watch me bending over.
The floor exercises can be done at home.
I saw a nice young lady today and I glanced at her sports bra top and thought oh I would feel so like showing off feeling around everyone if I did that.
I personally go to gym because seeing others sweating/working out is the only way I’ll exercise.
I’m doing it for good health and feeling good and I like to be slim and trim.
I agreed with everything you both stated.
What if the pastor or his wife walked in the gym?
Hmmm how would she look??
Well… I have enough just living out my own salvation.
Judge not and do what God’s Word says and ask Him for the answer and He will place the right things on your heart.
I don’t know about young ladies but I’ll say something for certain… even secular type men … most do not look at a scantily dressed woman and see the mother of their future children lol
I think it depends of the person wearing the outfit. Some people will always be attractive to others, even if the person is completely covered up. Moreover, people who know how to move with finesse and grace while exercising will always be more attractive than the novice exerciser. We are human beings with procreative instincts, who can admire beauty in others without acting out and being lustful.
Agreed Paul and Morgan. I love that you mentioned it is about the heart. Where is your heart postured?
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As a man in my early to mid 20s, it has gotten more difficult to bounce my eyes in the gym. I do my best to divert my eyes when ever I see a girl who is basically wearing nothing, but how is this even possible when literally 90% of girls wear gym clothes that are so tight that every curve and line is highlighted?
Skill issue.
@@arielrodriguez968 How so?
@@bdunning1284 The Bible says to pluck out your eyes to avoid temptation, so get to it.
@@arielrodriguez968 get to it how?
@@bdunning1284 Idk, you got an ice cream scooper in your kitchen? Maybe a melon baller?
I mean respectfully Paul and Morgan I don’t agree with what you said about how women need to wear flannels when they go to the gym, I mean that’s personal conviction between you and god because when I use to go gym I will wear leggings and sport bra but I understand where y’all coming from I think there some gym clothes are already crossing the line and I think what the girl what she was wearing, I mean that’s litttle too much, I will also feel uncomfortable seeing women vagina but they are very cute gym clothes that you can wear, there’s fabletics, gym shark and target
As Christians, we should try to avoid causing our brothers and sisters in Christ from stumbling. If women have any respect for their brothers in Christ, they wouldn’t be dressed the way they do at the gym and in general (i.e., skimpy clothes)
@@mary103 okay that’s your opinion.
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@@keyahninaylor4974 you can’t control how people dress at the gym…that’s not reality
Thank you so much, Paul and Morgan, for having the courage to speak on this. You guys really put some wisdom out there!😊😍
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And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:9 So... if Jesus told us to throw away our eye, he would probably also tell us to throw away the gym... He's talking about severing something that causes sin... And isn't our eye more valuable than a gym membership? Maybe someone will start a Christian gym with a dress code... that'd be cool! I like what was said about modesty being a heart issue and what someone is wearing reflects their heart... we should be concerned about that woman's heart, not her attire.
Tnx for making me change my mind about my gym outfit
I support you because you do talk about hot button issues. I don’t see a lot of young people doing it. We are becoming the adult generation and what kind of culture are we creating for our kids if we don’t say anything. Loved Florida ❤️❤️❤️🌴🌴🌴, Paul and Morgan, and the crew that was there.
Hey Cindy! Right on❤️ So glad you could make it! Great getting to meet you😊
Picture of your gym outfits compared to most gym outfits 😅 please haha
I personally wouldn’t say high waisted workout leggings (which are usually very thick material and meant to suck you in and stop all the jiggle) with a fitted tank top and sports bra (again meant to hold you in) is immodest. But I’ve also seen butt cheeks hanging from shorts or non workout leggings that are thin and you can see through them… that’s where I would personally draw the line.
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I don't go to he gym and I'm so glad I don't because it seems neither men nor women know how to dress respectfully at the gym. What happened to leotards and tights or a leotard and modest shorts? Men too should consider keeping their shirts on too because there are women who struggle. My exercise attire is a modest exercise skirt with attached leggings and a t-shirt.
This was convicting for me. As a Christian, I need to be more aware of what I’m wearing. Goal is to be salt and not look just like the world. Thank you Paul & Morgan!
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This is a lot of personal opinion on both ends, what does scripture say? Even the Bible says not everyone is called to teach. 👀 If we just do everything based on what we think, we do not truly know God. As Christian’s we need to get back to knowing who God is through the Bible. And I’m not talking about digging for scriptures to just prove your point. Genuinely reading and studying the word to know and understand who God is. Modesty is a personal choice, not based on pleasing people but pleasing God. If I have a relationship with Christ, and I’m not convicted to change my outfit then I’m good. The opinions of fallen humans does not matter, “for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.”
I used to do HIIT training in a gym and I wear skirts and dresses only all the time. They come at least to my mid-shin. I've biked, I've ran 5Ks, I've ice skated even SWAM all in a midi or longer skirt. I can do anything anyone else can do in pants or shorts in a long skirt. I know not everyone dresses like me or has those convictions but these excuses people have to dress with a shred of decency is laughable. Ive never worried about getting stuck in equipment or anything like that because that's plain silly.
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What is laughable is that you wear a skirt or dress when running a 5K. I have never seen a single female runner over my 58 years of running who would wear a skirt or dress when running let along do any kind of cycling. It is not practical and it is clearly uncomfortable wearing this attire during the summer unless you are wearing some kind of cooling system underneath your dress to keep you from sweating to death.. If you want to cover yourself up then why don't you wear a pair of long tights or even sweat pants. That would be far better than wearing a dress of skirt. Not only that, but it could be even dangerous when cycling in a dress or skirt. Seeing that you believe in complete modesty, why don't you work out in a full burka? You can not get any more modest than that.
@@davidjones5547 how about letting this seemingly nice and respectful woman to dress modestly in her own way? why do you have to mock and tear her down? she’s doing it out of respect for others and it would be kind for you to keep your thoughts to yourself if they’re not uplifting. you have nothing to gain from being rude, and she could be really hurt by your words.
@@davidjones5547 Ive never had an issues with it. Maybe you could wear a dress or skirt for the next ten years like I have and then we can compare experiences 🤣
@@jamietheodosiou7528 thank you!
Outside perspective here, and not at all written with hate, but I just don’t understand why it always feels like a one sided take on just women? Is there such thing as male modesty? And educate me if I am wrong, but I’m curious about situations when it comes to going to public pools and beaches. What if a woman wants to swim? Shall she wear shorts and a tank top to not reveal her body to wandering eye?
Again, im just curious. And there are a lot of grey areas, with give and take depending on certain situations. But i just dont understand why this topic is only open for in the gym. (I get that videos have limits and have to get to a point, though.)
Hey, appreciate the comment :) Modesty can def go both ways. As far as beach attire, watch our Bikini video :) ruclips.net/video/667BIl6HsHc/видео.html
Paul don't pretend sex makes you uncomfortable and having anyway
Oh wait I do it too?
Thoughts: Definitely a little disturbed by the clothing people wear to the gym. I love the idea of gender-only gyms. Unlucky for men, there aren't too many around compared to women's gyms... Maybe that's the next million dollar business idea haha
"I dress this way, because I feel comfortable doing so and it makes me happy."
"Good for you, but whenever you're faced with gazes, you've no one to blame but yourself for that. Whether you care to admit it or not, you ARE looking for some form of attention" is my response to the ladies who dress in very little clothing, revealing more than any woman should. Gym is the place to work out, NOT look for dates or get the attentions of whoever. This is in reference to the "clothes" certain women wear that aren't tailored made to soak in their body's sweats, but them again seeking some form of attention.
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What happens when they’re faced with more than “gazes” from men, such as verbal harassment or even physical touching? Do you think that’s acceptable if a woman is dressed in revealing clothes? And what exactly is “revealing”? What you deem revealing may be very modest to someone else. So who decides, you? If a woman is dressed modestly but has lots of makeup on and her face is extremely beautiful and her hair sexy looking does she then deserve to be glared at or catcalled? Or is it only making an effort with showing her body that deserves those reactions? Would be interested to hear your views.
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i agree and this is why i love working out at home. i don't have to worry about my clothes and whether my clothes lead to lust. all you need is a couple pairs of dumbells and a small space! no temptation to show off either!
Once I rededicated my life to Christ, I gave up those gym outfits. I felt convicted before but ignored that for awhile because I preferred to look and feel “good”. But I also knew deep down that I was causing others to stumble. I honestly just stopped going to the gym but that’s another story.. modesty is so so important!!
You were causing others to stumble as in what? Look your way? We’re you openly flirting with people already taken? We’re you running around flashing people? (I doubt it) it’s not your responsibility or it’s not even possibly to control others thoughts. That’s not for you to carry and I’m sure it’s a lot for anyone to carry. It’s heavy feeling like you need to do all these things in hopes someone you don’t even know won’t do or will do something else? Reading it from this perspective it seems impossible, right?
Do you subscribe to the thoughts of “well if she got raped and was wearing something deemed immodest, she was asking for it?” I feel that it doesn’t matter if a man or woman is wearing a thong or completely naked, touching or forcing yourself on someone else is never acceptable. End of story.
When we as women go along with this narrative of causing men to stumble or cheat or fantasize by our actions, then it’s a very slippery slope. Where does that end? It lets men blame us for their shortcomings and mistakes. We all know that there’s 80 year old women who get raped and I can guarantee they weren’t wearing some super tiny outfit. People choose to do what they want to do and dressing even in a burka won’t guarantee someone to not lust over or force themselves on you if that’s what they’ve chosen, ya know?
My point is don’t put all that pressure on yourself. If you do feel and look good, that’s great. Wear what you feel like yourself in, not what you think will help some random man not whatever. See how that statement is so broad, it’s like what really are you doing except letting a possibility and this concept rule your wardrobe and many other aspects. It will take awhile to detangle from that viewpoint but I know you have thought of some of the stuff I’m saying, prob just push it out of your head. I’m sure you are only doing what you think or has been taught to you is correct. Goto the gym, wear what makes you feel good and comfortable and don’t carry all that on your shoulders! ✌🏽💜
@@litgirlablaze3432 You are completely misunderstanding me. Nothing I said would point to me believing that it would be mine or any other woman’s fault for another man’s actual physical actions against a woman, like in terms of rape, sexual assault or harassment, etc. Nothing I said had anything to do with me giving any leniency to any man for forcing himself onto another woman or person for any reason what. so. ever. What I am talking about is different. Jesus says to any man “Anyone that looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his HEART.” As a Christian woman, I find it extremely important that we HELP our brothers avoid that at all costs. Wearing skin tight leggings and a crop top while squatting and doing burpees is not edifying to the body of Christ what so ever. It is extremely ignorant to act like being half naked is just as immodest as wearing a burka… that’s just being very dishonest.
So no ma’am, I am going to keep going by my own convictions that the Holy Spirit has given me, and continue to lay my life down for others, and consider my brothers in Christ, in love, like Jesus told us to do in John chapter 15, “There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.” And Jesus even tells us to love our enemies, so how much more should I be to just anyone else? I do not feel any heavy burden by submitting to Christ and His commands and convictions that He gives me.
As a woman, wanting to see your muscles is not an excuse to wear immodest clothing. Same thing for men. Just be normal. Wear a normal leggings/shorts with an armless, thin shirt. If you wear a sports bra, chose a regular one that covers your breasts.
I 100% agree. And I believe the modesty standards should be applied to men as well. We often forget that women can struggle with lust, too. Unfortunately, I have seen women and even many men, for that matter, wearing extremely revealing and inappropriate clothing while at the gym which has left nothing to the imagination. While I have never felt tempted, there have been many times when I've felt extremely uncomfortable, like I can't even look in their direction. I absolutely relate to what you were sharing, Paul, about awkwardly walking with your head down while around them.
I never go to the gym or the beach, and haven't in well over a decade....... Plus, I loved track and field but nowadays the ladies wear very skimpy clothes.......and what about diving......women's sports overall are more of a modelling competition. They love showing off. Very sad.
Dude you're thinking way to deep into things. That's a you problem you shouldn't stop living your life because you can't control yourself. Work on yourself and live life. As a fellow Christian ✝️
I could see me changing my clothes into the tighter style because it's cooling it's umm less in my way ahhh awwwe yeah I've had that before that person not married but trusting and loving and well now it's not not to be made fun of we I feel have to make sure both sides are I feel spoken to with valid respect of each opinion my fav thing for me is to communicate my choice with or formation
Let's make this VERY SIMPLE....... If you are a professing Christian and you are dressing ANYWHERE with super body revealing outfits, then guess what? You are most likely not a true Christian or an infant Christian that needs some instruction. If you are not a Christian.......then all bets are off unless you were raised to be modest. Other than that either Christians need to remove themselves from a place where they might think they would stumble or look away, meaning.....go to these places only if you are very diciplined in not paying attention to skimpy dressed people.
Completely agree with you both
Hey guys love your videos!! and appreciate the content but sometimes I feel like they are too long 😅 just some hopefully helpful feedback xx God bless ❤
Thanks for the insight :)
Maybe if your small don't wear extra large that's so loose it's dangerous but wear a small t-shirt or singlet that fits you well
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Do NOT be a stumbling block for your brothers in Christ. Paul in the New Testament calls women to dress modestly for a reason. I can't believe this even needs to be discussed, are people who watch this channel even Christian 🤷 Do you not read the Bible? Are you not born again? Are you not led by the Spirit?
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😥 I missed the live. I didn't get a notification. I'll watch it now.
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Make sure the bell is on!
@@PaulandMorgan I have. I don't turn it off. I think my phone just glitched because I'm having trouble with others too.
@@PaulandMorgan By the way, awesome thoughts and ideas.
Love you guys ❤ can’t help but crack up at 7:35 clip of video 😂
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I was not at the patron retreat but I was born and raised i Florida so I feel Morgan and her mosquito bites
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Love everything you said on this topic! 👌🏽
Thank you, Kylee!
what about men wearing vest to gym?
I would love to have segregation when it comes to the gym, as I've worn fairly modest outfits and still get unwanted attention. I think the testerone hit men get from working out makes it really hard for them. Especially as squatting, hip thrusts, rdls etc do seem sexual but are just really effective compound movements A female only gym would be perfect, but they don't have any where I'm from.
this is why I workout at home
and it all needs be talked about communication doesn't if done with proper procedures and tactics of reality it can be really fun and helpful and hopeful and relationships can become more closely together in Connections hope they do too getting closer ahh knit and ad learning from one another connection I don't know but shorts alone just ate not my thing because I am not very happy with my pale legs lol and darker face hey u mean I would want some insight on how do you feel comfy for starters and why like would you want people to see all that eek but like it's to each their own I mean I don't want people really to be touching me like a person just rubbing up against Me and Me not knowing it necessarily and it's a loving action I felt as You were talking about the what's the others around parts awwwe I think it's almost mean well that maybe then more should be shared or opportunity to find another outlet for oh Tshirt or tank top and leggings that are covered by a linger tank top idk I don't have much because I don't constantly wear that type of stuff but also
Where do y’all go to church because my brother and sister in law go to a church in that area