Just ordered a set of Japan Racing flow formed wheels because my OEM cast 21 with low profile tires just keep cracking. Looks great but it's not for a road car, only for track! now with 19" flow formed I'm pretty sure I'll never crack another wheel again! slightly higher profile tires and also saving around 4kg per wheel compared to the OEM 19", that's a lot! thanks for clarifying the tech behind it!
@@tracy062 my car is not an off-road car. I meant the OEM 21 inch are not good for normal roads because of the very low profile tires. It's a recipe for disaster.
This is reassuring to see. I feel like I did my research prior to buying, but the roads are falling apart around me. Btw, I LOVE the Graphite/Polished HyperGrams on my 350Z, with Michelin Pilot SS.
flow form wheels are pretty much forge rims with cast spokes wheels stronger and lighter then cast wheels but weaker and weight more then forge wheels.
@@patthonsirilim5739 maybe you need to rewatch the video. Flow form is NOT forged, not the barrel and not the spokes. None of it is forged. If you want to call it flow formed barrel forged because it involves heat and pressure then I guess. True forged is a wheel that was under extreme heat and under extreme pressure 8-10k pounds to create an extremely strong wheel. Flow form is not even close to the strength.
@@konigwheels cool! I'm split between the hypergram and fully forged for my 2013 accord EXL v6. I want light wheels, no racing, but I want quality. I'm working on handling mods.
Sure Camm, what would you like to know. We've answered abunch of questions you raised above, hopefully that helps clarify any issues you had. However, depending on which wheel we are making and the process / run that we're intending we utilize both gravity or Low Pressure depending.
The reason Konig wheels are some of the cheapest flowformed wheels is because the use the cheaper gravity cast center unlike Enkei that does Tilt cast which is the highest casting strength under having a forged wheel.
Hey Camm, First I have to tell you, I'm not sure what's got you so triggered. You came here to provide your thoughts, we appreciate that, and appreciate the opportunity to converse, we're also fine with answering you. First, we're not the cheapest flow formed wheels, not that it matters, but we're not. Second, the difference between modern day gravity type casting and low pressure when used in the flow forming process is neglegable. This is based on TESTING, not theory. We utilize both processes depending on the type of run that is required. The advantage to this is really found in the cost savings at the factory level for larger mass production runs. And just so you know, tilt cast was an OLD term for the way gravity casting was done, it's not a third process. Finally you may want to do a bit more research on the relationship in technology and our parent company. Serioulsy Camm, we appreciate you coming to our channel to have a conversation, but I'm not sure why you're so angry. We've been doing this for over 40 years, we're transparent about everything we do, we support the community and have continued to try and help the growth of motorsports from the grassroots level for decades. Again, you have every right to your opinions, and we really do appreciate you taking the time to comment.
From what i can tell..flow forming is a cast wheel with much more mold because its making everything more tight and thinner i guess from what this vdo is saying different process but same material maybe a little bit more of resources because it pressures more of the material?
This video focus on the barrel of the rim. This does not answer the truth about the quality that really matters to help determine if a wheel will suffer catastrophic failure when in use which is also how the center from the hub to the outer edge of the spokes where they meet the rim.
We answered your other point above. However, the reason there is focus on the barrel is because that is where flow forming occurs, regardless of manufacturer. Thats the process. Also when it comes down to truth, you should also understand how the wheel testing standards work. It's way more complicated than just exactly which casting technique is used, I'm sure you know what I mean between testing to exceed standards such as j2530, JWL, VIA, etc.
That was by far the best summary of all the different wheel build designs and how the final product is created .
The production of these videos have gotten really good. Nice work guys.
Thanks so much, Alex! 🙏🏻
Just ordered a set of Japan Racing flow formed wheels because my OEM cast 21 with low profile tires just keep cracking. Looks great but it's not for a road car, only for track! now with 19" flow formed I'm pretty sure I'll never crack another wheel again! slightly higher profile tires and also saving around 4kg per wheel compared to the OEM 19", that's a lot! thanks for clarifying the tech behind it!
is the flow formed wheel
more durable?
@@tracy062 100%. Not exactly forged but many times better than cast. Very close to forged at a fraction of the cost.
@@ricmrodrigues can u still use it for offroad?
@@tracy062 my car is not an off-road car. I meant the OEM 21 inch are not good for normal roads because of the very low profile tires. It's a recipe for disaster.
I appreciate you making this video. Needed this.
Anything to clear 380mm brakes in 18”?
This is reassuring to see. I feel like I did my research prior to buying, but the roads are falling apart around me. Btw, I LOVE the Graphite/Polished HyperGrams on my 350Z, with Michelin Pilot SS.
Thanks so much for watching and your support! I think we've seen your car on IG...if so the car looks great!
@@konigwheels thank you.
So it's kinda of a hybrid between cast and forged then?
I suppose thats one way of looking at it.
flow form wheels are pretty much forge rims with cast spokes wheels stronger and lighter then cast wheels but weaker and weight more then forge wheels.
@@patthonsirilim5739 maybe you need to rewatch the video. Flow form is NOT forged, not the barrel and not the spokes. None of it is forged. If you want to call it flow formed barrel forged because it involves heat and pressure then I guess. True forged is a wheel that was under extreme heat and under extreme pressure 8-10k pounds to create an extremely strong wheel. Flow form is not even close to the strength.
Great video very informative
Good job!
Would it be fair to say flow formed is a midway between cast and fully forged?
Fair to say, yes.
@@konigwheels cool!
I'm split between the hypergram and fully forged for my 2013 accord EXL v6. I want light wheels, no racing, but I want quality. I'm working on handling mods.
Great information mates.
Cheers.
OK I really want you go focus also on the center of the wheel. Is Konig gravity cast, Low pressure cast or TIlt cast?????
Sure Camm, what would you like to know. We've answered abunch of questions you raised above, hopefully that helps clarify any issues you had. However, depending on which wheel we are making and the process / run that we're intending we utilize both gravity or Low Pressure depending.
Can I ask for more about weight ratio/savings?
sure
Scott!, love the videos my dude ❤️
He said thanks!! We appreciate you watching!
The reason Konig wheels are some of the cheapest flowformed wheels is because the use the cheaper gravity cast center unlike Enkei that does Tilt cast which is the highest casting strength under having a forged wheel.
Hey Camm, First I have to tell you, I'm not sure what's got you so triggered. You came here to provide your thoughts, we appreciate that, and appreciate the opportunity to converse, we're also fine with answering you. First, we're not the cheapest flow formed wheels, not that it matters, but we're not. Second, the difference between modern day gravity type casting and low pressure when used in the flow forming process is neglegable. This is based on TESTING, not theory. We utilize both processes depending on the type of run that is required. The advantage to this is really found in the cost savings at the factory level for larger mass production runs. And just so you know, tilt cast was an OLD term for the way gravity casting was done, it's not a third process. Finally you may want to do a bit more research on the relationship in technology and our parent company. Serioulsy Camm, we appreciate you coming to our channel to have a conversation, but I'm not sure why you're so angry. We've been doing this for over 40 years, we're transparent about everything we do, we support the community and have continued to try and help the growth of motorsports from the grassroots level for decades. Again, you have every right to your opinions, and we really do appreciate you taking the time to comment.
From what i can tell..flow forming is a cast wheel with much more mold because its making everything more tight and thinner i guess from what this vdo is saying different process but same material maybe a little bit more of resources because it pressures more of the material?
So the spokes are still cast and have no difference whatsoever between both correct?
The spokes are casted. The flow forming happens in the barrel of the wheel. I hope that answers your question!
Yes but the centre hub and spines are still cast
This video focus on the barrel of the rim. This does not answer the truth about the quality that really matters to help determine if a wheel will suffer catastrophic failure when in use which is also how the center from the hub to the outer edge of the spokes where they meet the rim.
We answered your other point above. However, the reason there is focus on the barrel is because that is where flow forming occurs, regardless of manufacturer. Thats the process. Also when it comes down to truth, you should also understand how the wheel testing standards work. It's way more complicated than just exactly which casting technique is used, I'm sure you know what I mean between testing to exceed standards such as j2530, JWL, VIA, etc.