Airports are terrible neighbors, especially ones with flight schools. Hint: If you can read the designation on a 1-engine plane, it's probably flying under the minimum height. They do this all the time near my mom's place, it's horribly loud. In the florida boondocks, I'm surprised people don't shoot at them.
@@kennorcott7074 sunk cost fallacy and investors are my guess, they've spent so much money and getting so much money for having the airfield running and being used as a school because it's "close" enough for people to drive to. There are a few more small runways and airfields where they do glider launches but they're more than an hour away, and they can't have the people who are paying several thousands of dollars to either learn be so inconvenienced
"it can't be that bad, can it?" _ten minutes later_ "I'm honestly shocked at how bad it is, like every additional layer of badness was a multiplier, I'm pretty sure in France they would have thrown molotov's"
this starts over my house, I get a radio to ask the piloits derectily to cut it out we're trying to fucking Sleep! than explane that if your alllowed to fill my air with your noise pollution where I have to hear it, I can fill yours with mine!
Call me kooky, but to me the sounds from those planes are relaxing. I actually got drowsy watching this vid. I could take a great nap in a hammock out there....err.... on second thought, I meant, take a great nap here in the states. Cause with my luck, i could be a couple of km inland and still die from some dingo-doggo brushing up against my arm, with some sorta Irukandji or Chironex-Fleckeri stuck to it's fur. {0.o}
Wife and I just bought a house, Happens to be right under the landing approach for our regional airport. Honestly, I'm surprised how not bad it has been.
@@ShockingPikachu "massive noise" LOL!! Umm....not even close. You have no idea young-one, what loud is. 🤣 💀🤪 I grew up a mile away from a small Airport where most of the county's low-flying ww2 crop-dusters were housed. Those lil planes flyin' over Wade's old place are rather quaint in their noise pollution.
I live somewhere where there's an airport that mostly just does recreational stuff and I can assure you, it's not so bad when it's like, every once and a while. It's actually kinda nice, breaks up the monotony. What you've got though? Not nice. Very un-nice. Mega not nice. Some would even say *bad.*
Same, I used to live under the approach path of a regional airport and really enjoyed seeking the different aircraft being an avgeek my self. But this would be incredibly annoying. This is clearly a big school churning out as many training hours as possible.
I've live near a mostly recreational airport, too, and hard agree. When it's just a few people occasionally coming and going for fun or short personal trips, it was actually nice, means that the usually dead silent neighborhood felt like it had a bit of life. But after 2008, a training company briefly bought it out and it was *hell*. Not as bad as what he had, though, because holy shit those planes are flying low. Thankfully, only a year later, the city got fed up with them and made them stop. Eventually, the company cut their losses when the lobbying wasn't working and sold the place in 2011 and it's mostly recreational again.
I can confirm this, but the plane that coming were jets and oh boy oh boy, they still doing schedule until 7-8pm here. Sometimes kiddos here aiming their toy "airsoft "gun to the direction of the jets lol.
Damn the poor guy’s flying up there getting shot out of the sky. Why not build something like the Fuhrerbunker. I remember Hitler was complaining about the noise.
As someone who lives under the flight path for an airport that hosts one of the biggest flight schools in Canada, I feel this. I've lived here 15 years and I can tell what kind of engine each plane is using down to whether its turbocharged or not.
I record sound for this tv show that puts people in an apartment complex and documents how they live together. Last season we were in San Diego… literally this exact thing happened to us, but in addition to the noisy teaching planes we had to deal with all the rich doctors who have replica biplanes and ww2 reproductions. Every time we tried to film outside it sounded like a ww2 air raid and just for fun, every once in a while the military base up the road would do ultra low fly bys. Anything that is full spectrum noise is near impossible to filter out, but consistent stuff like AC or even big planes are fine. TLDR: as some one who basically gets paid to determine if a location is too loud to film at, always check the flight paths before booking a location.
Loudest thing I lived near was a train station when I was a kid. Trains were only an hourly or half-hourly nuisance. They came and went at night, but never at indecent hours, and were something I got used to. (The vibrations they caused were actually somewhat comforting while I was sleeping.) I lived in Japan for awhile as an adult, and one morning feeling similar vibrations while sleeping and felt comforted. Then I snapped awake because I forgot I wasn't near that train station. There was an earthquake going on. XD
I had this experience while I lived in the “””suburbs””” of Istanbul. The metro line was old and loud, but never unreasonably so. And then I lived in a college town that has an Amtrak station with rails that are also used for import/export. 3 am. Every day. 3 AM. I’d get to sleep around 2 after slaving away at a hot laptop and then be immediately awoken by that bastard. And if I got to bed early?? Awoken still and then can’t get back to sleep. I don’t know how the drug dealers under the bridge could stand it.
Yeah, our local train is just a few streets down (maybe like, 20 minute walk) and hearing it is basically like someone playing the world's most annoying one-note tuba outside the window. FORTUNATELY its just a cargo train so it doesn't come by constantly, but it does come by at 2 and 6 in the morning often enough that it drives me sightly insane
I went to a house once that had one of the four main train tracks of the country exactly across the street. They would usually be fast trains that would woosh past at 200km/h, and the sound lasted for 5 seconds.However every night the cargo train came along. 1 minute of rattling and squeaking from the old freight cars. Other than that it wasn't annoying.
Really depends on how much the government cares about it's citizens and how strictly it mandates mainaining trains and tracks to keep them quiet. Cargo trains here really are only loud when there is a flat spot on a car, otherwise it's just slightly louder than a faster four lane road, with the difference that there aren't that many cargo trains in the first place
in Montana I lived near a train line and could feel the rumbling at night. It was soothing. Now living in Japan about the same distance from a commuter train line and can't feel anything but I can hear the crossing signal. Also soothing. props doing non-stop touch-and-gos.... not soothing.
I find it ridiculous how this tiny little local airport has no time restrictions. Even a giant international airport like London Heathrow has time restrictions and it's by far more important and significant than this little airport
They don't even need time restrictions, really. Just limited routes and a mandate to never do lap above residential areas. I mean are they really allowed to inconvenience that many people for the sake of... I'm guessing fuel savings from now having to fly further away? Jesus.
@@Yodah97 the 'laps' are called "the pattern". It's the most important thing student pilots practice, because it's how traffic around an airport is handled.
Maybe they're exploiting a legal loophole in South Australia's state laws, I don't know, what I know is that it should be illegal to operate an airport without time restrictions, be it a commercial airport, a recreational airport or a piloting school airport.
I live in a military town in the AZ desert in the US. When the jets take off it’s loud, but they beeline for the uninhabited desert so they can scream across the sky without miffing anybody. The military base actually put restrictions on any private prop planes that states they cannot fly over residential areas due to complaints.
Well I’m sad to see the old warehouse go buuut I’m so happy the drum dungeon is there lol. The amount of effort you put in to make your channels and the stream great is nothing short of amazing. Thank you so much for entertaining us and hopefully we can have a peaceful future at the new place!!
Yep. In my time as a flight instructor, I've done many laps around the pattern. If there's a flight school of any size at an airport, expect there to be nearly constant light aircraft traffic in the pattern. Three planes is nothing, where I worked we often had five or six in the pattern at any time, I even remember having eight. And that was for one runway. Now, this airport was way out of town, under our pattern was a gun range, a lake, some woods, a swamp, and like ten farm fields. None of that cared about the noise. BTW, most of the noise you hear is actually from the propeller, not the engine. It is *slightly* possible to hush a propeller. Most of the noise is generated at the tip of the blade, where a vortex is formed. Just like a wing, you can reduce the magnitude of that vortex by adding a winglet. On a propeller, they call it a Q-Tip. I've never seen this technology in use on small piston-powered aircraft though, I've only seen it on turboprops. A partial solution to this would be to construct a runway for touch and go practice far out of town. Australia is even more extreme than the United States, wherein everyone lives in four cities on the coast, and the middle of the continent is inhabited only by Clem the Mule Fucker. Build a practice field out in the middle of nowhere, then blast off, head out there all day, then come back.
I think that's kinda the point, that when the airport was built, it was in the middle of nowhere, but the city has grown. It is pretty inconsiderate of the air school however. In Perth, the main light plane airport is Jandakot, and was once in the middle of nowhere, but now has quite a bit of stuff built up. I dont think every school thats there does this, but I know some of them do fly to other smaller airfields out of town for cutting laps. not sure if its a time of day thing, or individual policy, as it can vary (this is just going of ADS-B data). we also have RAAF Pearce to the north, which is one of the 2 major air force training bases, mainly flying Pilatus PC21's and BAE Hawk 127's. they do most of their exercises out of the city, but I would occasionally see them when I worked up that way. most impressive was a day they were doing formation drills, I think 5 planes doing a pass every hour or so. 5 turboprops in a pack make one hell of a noise.
@@arjovenzia I understand that cities grow but... The airport was there first and they're inconsiderate? They cant exactly just up and go. Seems like a zoning issue, we hate it too. Flying over neighborhood after neighborhood without an out makes just about everyone uncomfortable.
@@calebingraham5179 what you just said is the equivalent of backhanding someone and saying "Why'd you put your face in the way of my hand? Now my fingies hurt ):”
@@calebingraham5179 they. can. up and go. and its inconsiderate because it WAS a main airfield before the city expanded and then shut down before that happend. it only began doing this after the city already expanded and houses were built so yes it is incredibly inconsiderate because they decided to take an old defunct airfield that hadnt seen significant use for decades and has since had a residential area built around it, and decided not only would they start 24/7 classes that start incredibly early and end late IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA they would DO LAPS THAT WOULD CAUSE CONSTANT SOUND POLLUTION FOR HOURS ON END IN A SINGLE AREA. There were a million different things that could've happened to make this a non issue and they decided to do everything they could to be as much of a public disturbance as possible and that is not okay
I find it absolutely entertaining that even while he's genuinely upset and ranting about a subject almost completely unrelated to the channel, that's it's still a hilarious video while making aware of the absolute garbage some people are allowed to do.
Well Wade, this video has instilled me a deep fear of noise pollution that is certain to help me avoid renting anywhere near an airport in the future. I appreciate you telling us about it.
Most airports aren't that bad if you're a good bit away. You'll get the passing plane occasionally and rarely a larger plane will fly lower than normal and be loud but it's a minute or two of noise max. Just avoid training centers and stay a good distance away and you'll be good. Oh and don't ever live near one that has frequent helicopter landings. Helicopters are loud as fuck when above you. Although that's easier to get used to since it isn't constantly above you like those assholes were. (Australia is giant and there's plenty of better areas to train so they're all assholes)
@@719Flowers Same here, except Hill Air Force in Utah. From what I've heard they're not supposed to break the sound barrier over the valley. Does that stop them? No. No it doesn't.
I think above all I feel really bad for the residents there tbh, you had to ability to move which is fantastic. The local government however seems to not really care about the fumes or noise pollution for the residents there, and those do both genuinely impact health! Shame the government put money before people :(
I live near there, you'll get used to it and there's few planes at night so it's fine. There's also a train line next to the airport so there's that too 🤣
I just couldn’t imagine. I work as an IT Support Analyst for a company that services commercial planes and my office blocks out noise from even the military sonic jets. If I heard that on a constant basis like you do (or as a resident) I’d definitely be raising hell for it. So glad you got a better location and warehouse though!
technically, it's a side side hustle channel, since dankmus was the first channel Wade had iirc, but it doesn't matter cus it still shows how much of a legendary content creator our lovely nugget and his nugget long dog can be
The "the airport was here first" argument is absolute bullshit. My grandparents lived in Para Hills in the 80s-90s, and air traffic was nothing like this, it was just standard small airport stuff - a wide variety of planes going by at irregular intervals. Most residents found it kind of interesting, because the sheer variety of single prop / twin prop / vintage planes that used Parafield Airport. Watching biplanes fly over as a kid was pretty rad.
The population aren't the ones using the airfield, they use Adelaide Airport. The noise from Parafield is almost exclusively from the flying school, and I assure you that the people who can afford to go for a pilots' license probably aren't living in the Northern suburbs.
@Casper's Studio That's a facile argument. The airport and the homeowners both have joint interest in the area, and it's normal for local governance to establish reasonable boundaries for what is acceptable for all parties. The much larger Adelaide Airport has curfews and restrictions in place for this very reason, as do most airports that overfly residential zones. Continuous, all-day flyovers by low-flying prop trainers would not be considered reasonable by most people.
I use to live near an airport. It was still a decent drive away, maybe 5-10km. At one point about 15 years ago the city complained that the airport was allowing planes (like 747s) come in too low to the houses. The airport in return, changed their runways to allow for planes to come in at a different angle away from houses. It stayed that way for 5 years and now they fly in lower and more frequently than before, the airport has even expanded to allow more runways that make it possible to fly over the city neighborhoods. I lived next to a noisy railroad track that was quieter.
I lived half a city block away from a train junction station. It would be noisy if trying to talk outside, but you get used to it. Mainly because the trains had a rhythmic hum to it. Honestly, after moving away I couldn't sleep because the trains had become ingrained ASMR. I miss the trains
TLDR: Cars are louder and more frequent than trains. Given the choice between living next to a busy road or right next to a suburban railway, I chose trains. 90% of the traffic is electric trains and is near silent. Traffic...does...not...stop. 2am traffic. Oh and when they decided to plane the surface flat. At night. And beep horns when the truck or equipment had to stop... They must have forgotten the 2-ways at the depot.
I live next to a hospital. The constant helicopter noise was not anticipated, let alone the art building next door doing weird stuff in the summer. But the helicopters scaring the shit out of me at 2am flying directly over my house, even lower than a prop plan, def makes me want to move a lot sooner than I thought I would. I feel ya. Frank has it figured out. He ain't got ears.
My mate got his pilots licence up there, part of the training they do are go arounds where they make a landing aproach and then power out to come around and do it again which is probably what they're doing on those loops, so not only do you have the constant drone of the planes overhead, but they're doing landings and getting close to houses every few minutes...
They're called circuits, they're basically the first thing you do as a learner, it teaches you about all the different areas of a landing and taking off plane. i.e. you're flying from the gold coast to parafield, you need to know how to join the landing circuit. They tend to do touch and gos, as it allows you to actually practice landing, and instead of stopping after landing, you then power out after you've stabilised the landing, and do another circuit.
@@Crazy___Ginger a circuit by definition has to have one leg over the runway and another leg parallel to the runway so it's not like it can be done anywhere else. The stupid is starting a flight school in an airport in in the middle of the city. Usually they're done on small airports in the middle of nowhere.
Looking it up - Parafield is the third-busiest airport in Australia by numbers of aircraft with over 200,000 to 300,000 per year. Not all that far off from the international airport in Sydney. Holy nuts. Funnily enough, its wikipedia page doesn't mention the noise complaints...
tbf its a 4 runway hellscape..... what do you expect..... the real question is who let a flight school buy an airport that big anmd even more so how did a flight school buy an airport that big.
Dude, the migraine part hits home for me. I had a noisy upstairs neighbor, and I swear it sounded like an elephant lived upstairs. He just walked around SO LOUDLY. When they moved out, my headaches dissapeared, I got less stressed, more focused, even gained muscle quicker. It's crazy how big of an impact it has and no one I talked to could understand it! "Just wear ear plugs mate, it's fine!"
I feel this. We've got loud DOWNSTAIRS neighbors and really thin floors. The lady down there literally screams at her husband at the top of her lungs all fucking day. We can hear every single word she says. We've all become *noticeably* unhealthier since they moved in. It's the worst.
I was in such disbelief that they would allow such noise to happen that I downloaded the app to see for myself what Wade was talking about. Not only was he right about the number of planes, but I watched a replay of Sunday and it was like they chose to do the laps between 11PM-6AM. Not even during the day, like......Of all the times to lap you picked EVERYONE'S BEDTIME!?!
I mean that's fair. Pilots do need to be able to fly at night. I'd think they'd choose to not lap around neighborhoods since there are airports further up. They could practice landings at different airports at night and take off back to Parafield since it's only the laps that are the real issue. I'm not an instructor, but there needs to be some form of limit so the residents can at least have some peace of mind.
@@emilchandran546 The solution is that they should not be able to fly at night under any circumstances if the field is within X distance of residential space. Case closed, hands down it should be illegal. Like Wade said, this school opened AFTER residents had lived there for decades. Those residents accepted that the airport would be there, but they did not accept that it would operate a 24/7 training school which began operation only semi-recently. Training schools should only be able to operate at night if they are built BEFORE housing, grandfathered in, or are not flying over already having existed residential property. Also realtors should lose their licenses after a SINGLE strike for not disclosing the existence of a flight school like this. Absolutely permanent ban from ever acting as a realtor again without chance of appeal.
Its really down to Prop vs Turbine. Props are super loud because there's fewer blades, so the noise of the propeller blade hitting the air creates loud buffeting. Turbines have multiple, smaller blades arranged in parallel that chop the noise up a bunch and 'smooth' it, also the ducting redirects the noise out the back of the engine for the most part. Its the same reason helicopters are so damned loud because the blades are basically beating the air into submission, and the buffeting caused by that just....echoes everywhere.
It's also a different type of sound, the jets are extremely loud but they're higher, faster and it's a higher pitch while the props are lower, around for longer and have that awful buzzing noise
Well it's absolutely fine to love flying, just as long as it's doesn't harm people. I know not everywhere is the same but around where I live all recreational flying is done over empty plots of desert, and I mean that's like 90% of Australia.
I'm confused why the engines have to be that loud. They're not even high performance engines. Just crude old designs that have been approved and hard to replace I guess. I'm quite sure even a proportionally quieter engine but still loud would have a great benefit to the surrounding people.
@@Yourconradinarms if you pause at 9:18 these are the routs they do im just thinking (make 2 long routes so it isn't short so one plane can't noise bomb you after the first one is leaving, thats near the least amount of people and just alternate between routes better yet get half the trainies to do one or the other and just anternate the times they leave so they don't come back at the same time for fuel)
That prop noise is SO damn relatable to me it's insane, I also live next to a small airport that's mainly used for small planes/props, but thankfully at least over here they only take off land every few HOURS, not constantly, so the noise is 100% tolerable
Good on you for pointing out the lead issues, too! I feel like governments love to tell people to just toughen up when it's mental strain, but lead has so many _demonstrable negative effects_ that it feels like an angle of attack that might get more attention.
The problem is that most planes are in the region of 50 years old, and have the same type of engine that uses leaded petrol as most cars of the time. Whilst cars obviously get scrapped at younger ages and so leaded petrol can be phased out, this sort of thing just doesn’t happen with aviation, unfortunately.
@@Jeagles airplanes require so much maintenance as they age heavily. My dad had a Cessna 337 and let’s just say the rear propeller was…problematic. After all of the repair and effectively duct taping the thing together between flights, you’d think it would be more cost effective to retrofit these crafts with newer non-leaded engines. Like, if the US can roll out the “cash for clunkers” program, they can afford to push the EPA to enforce strict regulation (like car emissions testing) and reasonably subsidize modifications. It’s an incredibly small percentage of the population but there are so many small airports in residential areas and there is so much pollution produced by these ancient planes that it does effect people’s health. Like…the Cessna 337 was used for military reconnaissance and firefighting missions…since the 60s.
@@turkicnomad5632 oh absolutely. Unfortunately I doubt any government will be willing to fund the modernisation of old aircraft, and as long as it’s cheaper to just use old engines, that’s what will happen
@@star2705 most flight school traffic (at least here in England) is training to fly commercially. It’s not a hobby for a lot of student pilots. Naturally, this doesn’t change the fact that aviation needs to change, but the situation isn’t as simple as a group of rich kids frivolously pumping out chemtrails over urban areas or anything like that
12:24 is my energy. I had to replay this like 3 times, I was dying of laughter! Thank you for making this content and I hope your move continues to go well!
Re: "Has airplane engineering peaked and we can't improve this?" Well, no, but also no. When people say "The propeller makes that sound", what they mean is that you're hearing the sound of the blades cutting through the air. It's the _exact same noise_ as a box fan, but louder, since the blades on a prop aren't 10" (25cm), they're something like 3-4ft long (100-130cm). There are insane advancements in aircraft design, engine manufacturing, and the like; but despite propellers getting more and more efficient as time goes on, there's an upper limit to the level of noise reduction available for what is essentially a long stick being slapped against the air.
They really should build the flight school in the middle of a sparsely populated area and then the pilots can fly out of the original airport for the day, to avoid a long commute. That way you could have noise reduction *and* the convenience of not having to drive 4 hours for flight lessons.
@@RyanTosh The problem is all the housing that was built around an airport / the fact that they didn't relocate the airport. There's no solution to practicing the holding pattern, that has to be done around an airport because it's literally its purpose.
Parafield Airport have made a few attempts to spread the noise by setting up in other less populated areas. Maryborough in Queensland and also Port Lincoln in country South Australia. The last place was not very welcoming to the noisy lawnmowers and kicked them out of town - right back to Parafield Airport. Noise was horrendous in 2020. People working from home during the pandemic got to experience what others were complaining about. In 2020 Parafield was the busiest airport in Australia with more flights than the capital of New South Wales (Sydney).
@@LutraLovegood There are airports all over Australia and all over the World. Most of the cadets are from Asia. They don't have to train here. It is like being tortured on busy flight training days.
As a car guy who enjoys cars loud enough to literally cause career ending hearing damage (Mazda 787b driven by Volker Weidler), there comes a limit. As Weidler would probably say, I love hearing loud cars and revving engines, but not for long enough that I develop sensorineural hearing loss. I live in a town with some car enthusiasts, I coincidentally live next to a mall with a massive empty parking lot and an intersection infamous for attracting enthusiasts, and well occasionally get some ass who will do a few burnouts at 3am. This ends essentially as quickly as it starts, and chances are it won’t effect you much. I also live a few minutes away from a small airport, so we do get some prop plane air traffic. It’s only 1 plane at a time a few times per month but it’s still extremely fucking annoying. Seriously there is no understating how annoying those things are...and I shit y’all not as I’m writing this I hear one starting to approach lmao, the timing actually couldn’t be more perfect if I tried. It’s 1:20 in the morning...
I'm lucky in that at uni we may get a couple prop planes a day flying over and they aren't too bad as they are during the day time (probably flying from farnborough airport or even Dunsfold if that's still open), they are still louder than the aircraft experience in my home town. I live under flight path of Heathrow Aiport's Runway 27 Fucking L. Jets are just so easy to ignore even if they are one every 3-5 minutes and flying extremely low. Hell, I've been 1/2 km from the start of that runway, directly under a landing 747 and that was the only time a jet was louder to my ears than a prop plane lol.
My guy, I feel for you. I live in the city of a famous car auctioning company and their biannual events, so I’m surrounded by car people. On one hand, it’s awesome to basically live in a massive car exhibit; yet, on the other, there’s a nontrivial amount of drag racers and there are few people who race their choppers up the main road at 3 am. Every. Night. At least the three small airports whose flight paths I live directly under have merciful operating times. So after I’ve been jostled awake by someone’s infernal beast of burden, I’ll be sure that someone prevent me from falling asleep in the middle of the day.
As someone who is trying to move away due to a local skydiving company polluting the town with noise like 9 hoursa day, I feel this video and completely understand.
Man i feel ya. I live near the EAA museum and once a year during their airshow festival thing, I get to hear the sky filled with prop planes as well as any other kind of aeronautical noise you can think of. It's fun to hear a massive ruckus in the sky and look up to see a huge ww2 bomber with 4 gigantic propellers
Or hell remember that Seinfeld episode about the Puerto Rican Parade, yeah turns out that is based on multiple true events the writers had while living in New York because they have so many Parades
Man... you had the opportunity to genuinely, purposefully yell at the clouds and you didn't? Such a missed opportunity. So hear this, on cloudy days, you're even more frakked than normal with these low flying bumblebees as the noise they make bounces off them and gets smacked off the ground and back several times.
I live in Mawson Lakes and am right next to the runways. I've become so accustomed to the engine noise that it was odd hearing nothing during the start of the pandemic. I actually don't the plane engines at all, regardless of the time. We've lived under it for over seven years and it doesn't bother us. I can understand the annoyance for others however.
To be honest unless they are jets, you don't actually hear engine noise, but propeller noise instead. That's why it can't be silenced- you can't just put a muffler on them like you can on an engine.
@@mataskart9894 There's ducted propellers and whatnot, but that's a different kind of plane and costs more. The loudness is a legitimately inescapable piece of engineering for planes of that size.
I know you're suffering. I've lived by airports, train stations, hospitals/fire stations. The train station was oddly the quietest one out of the bunch. You'd get a rumble and maybe the screech of brakes, but it was never late at night. With the exception of the bi-monthly train coming down from up North that must have been from World War 2 and sounded like a battalion. They ended up rescheduling the arrival time of that since so many people complained. Unless they were new the fire station / hospitals didn't kick on their Sirens until they're a lot further down the road. We actually had a drinking game with a few of my roommates at the time on how often we hear a siren. The airport was the worst offender since when it was originally built it was designed for smaller aircraft. So the noise pollution wasn't as big and thus the neighborhood built itself around it. Then at some point in the late eighties or nineties it became a sort of Mini hub for larger/ recreational planes.
Your experience with trains and mine are completely different, you must've lived near a modern station, I use to leave near a old rural station, old rural homes aren't really built the best so when a train comes it shakes, but also since it's the middle of nowhere that means less people will complain, according to NYS, so there was times at about 11 PM to the latest I ever seen was 1 AM when a train will come and wake me up
When you live on a major road, you do literally start to block it out as white noise because its so reliable and consistent, and isnt an abrasive noise. Highways are a different story but I'll leave my hatred of NA-style city design for another time. Prop planes however, are impossible to drown out as white noise. Its an irritating, grating noise that is louder than any natural noise. I grew up extremely rural, so moving to a major street in a large city took adjusting. But the thing is, even on the busiest days I can sit in my back yard, which is not more than 30 meters from the road I'd say, with no sound barriers whatsoever, and the wind through the leaves and the birds chirping are more at the forefront than the cars. In my hometown, which ironically was near a common flight path to the city I now live in, any time a prop plane flew over it was practically deafening in comparison to the gentle ambience of a rural farm outside harvesting or sewing season.
Just mean it's a personal matter, depends on everyone. I can't get used to a vacuum and church bells either, and those are short but regular noises. Regularity is the key here I think.
I feel your pain, bro. I live by an “international” airport with anything from prop engines to screaming jets. Fun when you’re in the middle of something and you have to stop just so you can hold onto whatever brain matter you have. It is fun seeing the different kinds of planes coming from out of there from time to time tho, and the presidential and congressional jets like to practice out of it
2:58 basically the way pilots initially learn to fly is landing and taking off again, by approaching for a landing, touching the ground, and taking off again, then flying around a “traffic pattern”, lining up for an approach, and repeating. The laps that you’re talking about are a fixed height and distance from the airport, so pilots sort of have to follow those paths. An airfield near me has a no fly area that you have to avoid because the locals complained but unfortunately your government seems to not really care. The issue with trainer aircraft is that as well as mostly being the Fiat 126s of the sky, it’s the propellor, not the engine that makes the noise, so the noise persists regardless of improvements in technology, whereas jets can keep getting quieter. Sadly, being a GA pilot is either the hobby of the rich or something that has to happen in order to train to fly airliners for a job, and as long as people can be convinced that nothing will change, nothing will. That turned into a massive essay but I’m still going to post it
I'm not an expert on anything but I feel like they could probably set up an airfield outside the city that they could practice on, and restrict the main airfield to landing and taking off only. They wouldn't need the full facilities of an airfield since it's only for practicing touching down and taking off again, so it wouldn't need to refuel or service planes outside of occasional emergencies, so it'd be cheaper than just building an entirely new one. Of course, it still costs money, so I'm sure politicians would still say "no"
Cant the fly school just build another airfield out in the desert, where no one lives and they cant disturb anyone. But here it seems to be a problem of government not caring, because they could mandate the fligth school do something.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ so that’s theoretically possible but realistically impractical - if you want to spend an hour doing patterns, you don’t want to spend 15 minutes of that flying to/from the airport you’re doing it at
You know, it's not like there aren't vast, uninhabited areas of land in Australia left and right. I'm sure the cost of having to drive a few miles outside are nothing compared to actually flying planes. Or having the fuel trucks drive a little longer until they can drop their stuff.
I always forget how lovely of a human being you are. Even when you are enraged you still think about all the factors and are more than fair. The Steve Irwin of tech.
I feel your pain main. I live about two blocks from an active railroad and in a town with a massive army base. If it isn't trains it's helicopters, and if it isn't either of those things it's the army blowing shit up in the middle of the night.
What's crazy is the fact that the government forces landlords to give people free rent with section 8 but won't give up their city land and move their shit to the country and let people live on their land for free.
@@DJ_Moosterno, lmao. Section 8 pays 30-60% of rent for people with untenably low income below the poverty line, but only in special low income housing, and only if they meet certain requirements and fill out unending forms. It's basically a second full time job for the disabled and impoverished to get some help with rent in very basic efficiency or 1br apartments.
this is insane. I have lived near airfields and air ports all my life, I go to college for Aviation maintenance. My classes are IN THE AIRPORT ON THE THE CAMPUS. Never once has it been like this, even in my classes. My school flies Cessna 152, 172, and the 421's, and that is not including all of the military aircraft that come in and out on the daily. So that's c-130, c-17, and more. yet never once has the noise pollution ever been that bad. Hell, they also do laps at the flight school. yet even then the noise has never been that bad. Those planes are ridiculously loud for no reason. I pains me to hear all of that noise.
you should really use those recordings of the plane engines to make some horrific soundscape track where it's just that and dissonant chords for an hour, call it warehouse woes or something
I grew up near an Interstate Highway in the US, especially in the winter when sound travels further, it always generates a constant and quiet roar, and I love it. It's comforting white noise to me, and where Im buying a house is even closer, which is no problem to me. But the planes, I couldn't imagine that. Inconsistent, obnoxiously loud, even shaking the building occasionally. Like for me, once in a great while some C-17s will fly directly over the house, at night, at low altitude, doing manual navigation exercises (yes, following road maps in a C-17). Rattles the whole house and shakes you out of bed. It's super cool, but that's because it's rare. If it was every day and night, you probably couldn't pay me to live here any longer.
It's their job to live in luxury they don't deserve, earn money they shouldn't and destroy the lives of the citizens because the only reason they got the job in the first place was the first two. It's becoming more apparent day by day that politics needs a reset, this neo-bourgeoisie needs a capper and severe punishments for crossing the line.
i also live near an airport and it's quite a busy one but i only hear the landings for some seconds and that's it. the loudest and most annoying things are the older soviet planes (very rare to see but i saw one insanely low passing on top of me it was amazing),A400M's and C130's. but it's also the best part. oh and i also love using flightradar24 and liveatc together
Shout out to all the "James" homies in life. The people who are incredibly handy at damn near everything. Need some plumbing help? Call James. Car acting up? See what James says. Nuclear powerplant needs a radiation safety engineer? ... actually probably don't call James for that one.
I feel your pain believe me. We on Anglesey in North Wales had a very similar problem. but it wasn't an small airport no, no, no it was the RAF. They train pilots up to fly Hawks which were loud but very few fly overhead a day. This was up until around 2017 I think. Then they started using propellor planes to train in. They were more frequent and loud. So after local newspaper coverage and hundreds of complaints, what do you think the RAF did? No your wrong, they explained the reason for the planes, they apologised for the noise and issues it caused. Then said they were working on a way to make them quieter. All they asked was a bit of time and patience to fix the noise issues. Now they nearly never fly over anymore and if they do there is only one or two that do. RAF done good.
I live horizontal to an airport runway, and as an aviation enthusiast I don't mind the noise, and in fact love sitting outside and watching the planes, but, from having experienced a Cessna 172 in the passenger seat, I could not stand this noise 24/7 from multiple planes at. A. Time. New warehouse looks promising though!
Ive had migraines my whole life and they're no joke. Even a little one can make me just so tired and nauseous. And if you never used to get them and start having them the levels of pain is absolutely insane. Glad you got a better warehouse and I cannot wait to see the content that'll come out of it. And I'm really starting to consider subbing to the Patreon so I can be one of those stinky names too
I’m especially light sensitive more than anything else when I have any severity of migraine, so I regularly wear my sunglasses indoors. I’m fairly certain, other than my friends, that everyone thinks I’m just hungover. Because, god I look like it. Exhausted, glued to a cup of coffee, and ready to kill or die. My old roommate basically limped into my room with a migraine-she had never had one, and we still don’t know what triggered it-for help. I’ve gotten used to them since I was 8 that I forgot how awful the first one is. Truly I would not wish anyone a migraine.
@@turkicnomad5632 I usually just sit in a dark room and put something cold on my forehead and it doesn't get rid of it by any means but it makes it less sufferable while I'm trying to get rid of it lol
Yup, the worst part of a migraine is when you feel it coming on and you just know, your day is over. You'll have to now lie down in a dark and quiet room until you hopefully fall asleep, because you can't focus on anything and you can't do any task properly. And if you do fall asleep, your sleeping pattern is ruined and you have to take a few days to just get it on track again. Migraines are the worst.
@@gownerjones you just have to hope and pray that you cought it in time and that the medicine will work in time. Then it gets to like 2 hours later and it's way worse and like you said, just your day ruined at that point lol
@@liamturner6424 When I have a normal headache, I can take ibuprofen and it usually goes away. But nothing has ever worked on a migraine for me. My doctor prescribed triptanes which also didn't help. The only thing that heals a migraine is sleep for me. Sometimes I get painless migraines though. I just get very intense aura that makes me think I'm going blind. Also a lot of fun but thankfully usually over in half an hour.
Flight schools are going to switch to electric trainers soon. They are much quieter and don't need long range duration. The prop will still make noise but it's not as bad.Piston planes also run on leaded fuel which is harmful to everyone that lives there. I live near the biggest natiional flight school in my country. I don't mind the noise myself but I grew up with this and worked as an aircraft technician for 20 years.
When you think about it, it makes sense the prop planes are so much louder. Jet engines are entirely contained in the shroud, and most of the air that's carrying the sound is getting blasted out the back of the engine at a few hundred kilometers per hour, meaning most of the sound gets directed straight back and not toward the ground. Props, on the other hand, are completely open, and the air coming out of them isn't going nearly as fast, meaning that the sound gets to freely travel wherever it likes.
Concerning the route at 9:22, I know what that is! That plane likely has a camera on it and is taking aerial photographs for surveying! Very important work, actually.
i like how you were like "oh cool, now i can watch planes" at first, then it went to "thats a little distracting" and finally "i have to leave". oh yeah, thats right at 7:48 its ok for a company to fly there planes with leaded gas, when it was specifically banned in car to stop air pollution. they can burn as much gas as they want, but o have to drive a eco friendly city car. they can dump as much lead in there gas as they want, but if i put any in my car its instantly e-legal. they can make as much noise as they want, but if i have a car thats noisy its not ok.
@@roland985 yeah but its still lead. As Dankpods said any amount of lead is bad. From the AVGAS wiki page states that the amount of lead in 100LL (which is much better than previous aviation fuel) "this lies within the same range as the lead content of on-road automotive gasoline from 1973." So current prop planes are using fuel with the same lead concentrations of cars 50 years ago! oh and they are releasing it straight into the air above where people live and work.
I grew up near an air base, and got used to the sound of F15s taking off all day long, and during the night when night flying was scheduled. We lived in a valley, so when they were on afterburner, the sound reverberated off of the hills and would literally shake windows. You get used to it. And I ended up joining the Air Force, working on F15s
Same here, grew up near an air base. After a while you just stop noticing, hell even the bomb blasts don't register unless it's one of the really big lads that shakes the walls.
@@salsamancer funny enough that analogy is basically what he was saying, would you rather disturb the peace and injure innocent people if you fail or can focus thanks to not having to worry about other people doing their thing. Not to mention comparing flying to sailing is dumb already, the ocean is big but only has so many areas you can technically sail in. You can and we have literally flown over everything, so why is there a need to decide to do it in a place that can not just disturb people but also put them in a lot of danger if you fuck up majorly.
I live out in the middle of a bunch of cotton fields and we get crop dusters with that kind of noise. That only goes on for a couple hours, tops, and happens a whopping twice a year. I cannot fathom having to hear that all day and night, nonstop. Holy shit.
That's rough. As an instructor I get why they turn so many laps, landing practice is important for private pilot students, but usually when we have training airports they're selected to be far enough away from residential areas or have special noise abatement procedures. It really sucks all around, but I hope the new location works out for you. PS, you should get some flying time in, its such a great hobby/career/passion!
@Keegan. There are some controls over parts of the main residential areas, nothing over the industrial areas. The city grew around the airport The major flight school is the main problem. As Dankpods said, gov likes that sweet sweet cash. Mawson Lakes is only a new suburb too.
I thought I had it bad near a US airbase (I'm in the UK). Even when they try out their big boys it at least passes quickly. Your ears have my condolences. Glad you've escaped!
The Adelaide council has 100% great ideas and they are very reasonable and definitely don't make stupid decisions. Adelaide is a very good place. Glory to thr Adelaide council 😃👍🏻
Man I feel you. My house was half a mile at most from a small airport. And before that I lived 8 miles from O’Hare international airport. Two towns over was trying to get the flight paths changed. Suffice to say, the home near O’Hare was better because the planes where already high enough to where it’s not that distracting. The one house by a small airport felt like it was barely 100 feet off the ground.
we have figured out the prop volume, you add a duct, or cowling around the prop tips, and it reduces the noise a ton. however, that is impractical for private aircraft, as the engineering for that increases cost exponentially.
Plus safety concerns of it breaking and striking the prop and blocking visibility but as a pilot that's actually a neat idea, i'd love to see the difference it makes in person
I always found the noise of prop planes synonymous with summer, tbh they were up a lot higher going over Swindon. It was actually under one of the busiest flight corridors around England iirc, I think. But I digress, that would drive me bloody barmy, especially with two overlapping, reminded me of old WW2 blitz footage. I'm glad you got out, shame nothing can be done to help the residents. Wait, surely there are airfields out of city limits they could relocate to. If they're that desperate to get more pilots with more flight time, they could get the big airports/flight providers to chip in to move it? Oh wishfull thinking.
@@plantain.1739 That's where the airport is, however a lot of flight schools will fly to less populated local airports if they are nearby and use those.
@@cod5x Maybe the politicians getting rich should spend that money on an airport outside. It's clear the problem is both Hong Kong having no standards and the politicians working for themselves and maybe the rich, but not for the people. IIRC while they may not be all great, I believe there are those that hire work in China requiring the Chinese to have a standard, if they break that standard, they no longer get to cooperate with the foreign company. I imagine "Don't have them live in such poor conditions they'd rather commit suicide" is one of them. It may even benefit the parties involved since they won't have to train someone new because the last guy killed himself. Why the Chinese workers jump out the building to kill themselves is beyond me, is there a psychological effect that makes jumping out easier than slitting your own throat or stabbing yourself in the heart or whatever part guarantees a death? Pills could also be a way to go, but they may be locked behind prescriptions. Is it that once you've jumped, you literally can't regret it? It can be similar to slitting your throat, but when you regret doing that, you're still going to die in possibly terrible pain for a moment. At least when you are in the air, you don't feel such pain. Shame there aren't ghosts for just this specific question. It may not be different from what I am thinking, but asking them directly leads to confirmation.
It gets to a point where you gotta band together and do something about it, from what I’ve seen the Australian government doesn’t give a damn about it’s people you guys gotta start a war or something
Those flight patterns... almost looks like some sort of planned conspiracy to test noise/fuel pollution on a residential population. Thats how bad it looks. Of course, the airport is also chinese owned too. On the real though, they're just too lazy but also too busy to worry about the residents that have to live with this bull. Sorry the nugget cars have to become nomads. EDIT: THEY'RE ALLOWING _MORE!?!_ HOLLY SHIT MAYBE THE CHINESE ARE ACTUALLY CONSPIRING BY LOBBYING THE GOV AND JUST FUCKING WITH YOU GUYS WTF?!
4:05 Sounds like a damn Viking tribe trying to send their dead commander into the afterlife... Sure, it sounds cool, once, but after a few months your brain starts saying "Well there goes another Viking to the afterlife again, *Grrrrr* "!
Ive lived in Salisbury all my life and never really taken much note to the constant planes going over my house, probably due to growing up with it. Found it funny that one of the clips you were showing had a plane going over and at the same time i could hear one outside from Parafield airport lmao.
I worked on military jets everyday in the Air Force and now I occasionally do in the reserves. Massive planes with 4 engines, and they’re nearly silent after I marshal them out. Prop planes are ridiculous compared to propulsion jets. I’m glad you were able to get a new warehouse, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
Depends on the engine, ever been to a fighter base? them suckers are loud. I'd take a prop plane over an F-16 any day! lmao. Can't speak for other platforms, but the C-5 specifically, new engines were part of the Modernization package. Aside from just being better, more efficient engines, they were quieter which helps us operating from bases in Europe and other places that have sound restrictions. Best part of being in Germany was when Crew Rest got extended because of their quiet times. We had C-17s on our base as well and they were also pretty quiet, being relatively new though I'd imagine they have similar engine tech.
Are you totally deranged? I've been to an airshow, I felt f18s flying overhead. Those engines were so loud that they caused me immediate pain. They didn't have to fly supersonic, the sound of the engines alone was shocking! On the other hand as I've recounted elsewhere in this thread I used to live underneath the pattern for a private airport with piston engine planes and they were just there. The noise of their engines was just another part of my world, it was never shocking. As a matter of fact I found it pleasant. There's a reason that when it comes to tables of relative loudness, jet engines are used for one of the loudest sounds and not piston engine airplanes. I'm just totally shocked to see a hole channel full of people suddenly insisting the jet engines are so quiet. It's bizarre.
@@NomadSoul76 lol fighters are a different breed. I worked on KC-135s and C-17s, and we had an F15 base 5 miles away. Larger cargo planes are quiet with all the accounting panelling they can contain around the engine(s) due to overkill of thrust they have with so many engines. Most propeller planes and fighters don’t have that luxury.
@@Mike-pq8yu I was stationed in Mildenhall, with 135s, 130s, and CV-22s. Lakenheath was a few miles away with 15s. Arguably the 135s were the quietest. I would hate when 15s would do approaches or low flies over Mildenhall, it would shake the buildings. But the aircraft on Mildenhall, despite being massive compared to a single prop, were extremely quiet.
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"7 plane day" will go down as the first time in history a drummer was so annoyed by neighbors they decided to move.
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Airports are terrible neighbors, especially ones with flight schools. Hint: If you can read the designation on a 1-engine plane, it's probably flying under the minimum height. They do this all the time near my mom's place, it's horribly loud. In the florida boondocks, I'm surprised people don't shoot at them.
@@brianwelch1579 knowing how strong planes are, I don't doubt there have taken pot shots at them
As a plane fan myself… Agreed
haha as soon as you said "They do flight training there!" I was like "Oh god, they're just gonna do laps over his head all day"
What was the problem with doing it over the wilderness lol, it’s not like Australia is short on that
@@kennorcott7074 The wilderness laps are easy. Practicing flying in traffic, plus airport touch and goes to practice landings...
@@kennorcott7074 sunk cost fallacy and investors are my guess, they've spent so much money and getting so much money for having the airfield running and being used as a school because it's "close" enough for people to drive to. There are a few more small runways and airfields where they do glider launches but they're more than an hour away, and they can't have the people who are paying several thousands of dollars to either learn be so inconvenienced
@@kennorcott7074 you gotta do 3 solo take offs and landings at a airfield to get ya liscense thats why
@@kennorcott7074 You want to speen 100 hours comuting to the test aka riding along to spend 500 hours doing the test?
"it can't be that bad, can it?"
_ten minutes later_
"I'm honestly shocked at how bad it is, like every additional layer of badness was a multiplier, I'm pretty sure in France they would have thrown molotov's"
Here in America, we'd start shooting at them before the government would do anything useful lol.
France has it right on a lot of things.
I can't believe no one has tried to burn this airport down yet.
French revolution 2: electric booglaloo
@@matejkufa8652 France dose this kinda thing pretty regularly. We could really learn from their book.
As a pilot all I can say is there's a reason we wear Bose noise-cancelling headphones in cockpit
From the mouth of Dank... "Fuck off".
Hahaha, go put some Sony noise-cancelling propellers on your planes, ya dingus's.
this starts over my house, I get a radio to ask the piloits derectily to cut it out we're trying to fucking Sleep! than explane that if your alllowed to fill my air with your noise pollution where I have to hear it, I can fill yours with mine!
@@kalsaphixyasamon1507 Uhhhhh that’s illegal
@@kalsaphixyasamon1507 illegal hand radio operation mate, the FCC will be on ya mate
@@whyputname "you cant do that its illegal 🤓"
I never thought that 7 flying lawnmowers would be my idea of hell, but here we are.
It'll only get worse there's so many new pilots
20 flying lawnmowers?
@@soap_1 feck it why not half of all rich people in Australia? I mean the locals can just move anyways so it's fine right... Right?
"7 flying lawn mowers" is quote of the year as far as I'm concerned.
Bro, this guy can spend 13 whole minutes talking about leaving his garage and make it entertaining, love the content man
As someone who may be shopping for a home someday I appreciate that you've brought this to my attention. The new space is sick!
"may" "someday"
Call me kooky, but to me the sounds from those planes are relaxing. I actually got drowsy watching this vid. I could take a great nap in a hammock out there....err.... on second thought, I meant, take a great nap here in the states. Cause with my luck, i could be a couple of km inland and still die from some dingo-doggo brushing up against my arm, with some sorta Irukandji or Chironex-Fleckeri stuck to it's fur. {0.o}
Wife and I just bought a house, Happens to be right under the landing approach for our regional airport. Honestly, I'm surprised how not bad it has been.
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT yeah uh… the planes fly lower there making massive noise which can hurt your ears. Not great
@@ShockingPikachu "massive noise" LOL!! Umm....not even close. You have no idea young-one, what loud is. 🤣 💀🤪
I grew up a mile away from a small Airport where most of the county's low-flying ww2 crop-dusters were housed. Those lil planes flyin' over Wade's old place are rather quaint in their noise pollution.
I live somewhere where there's an airport that mostly just does recreational stuff and I can assure you, it's not so bad when it's like, every once and a while.
It's actually kinda nice, breaks up the monotony.
What you've got though? Not nice. Very un-nice. Mega not nice. Some would even say *bad.*
I might even be one to go as far to say, honestly, imho, just a _tad_ *unethical*
Same, I used to live under the approach path of a regional airport and really enjoyed seeking the different aircraft being an avgeek my self.
But this would be incredibly annoying. This is clearly a big school churning out as many training hours as possible.
I've live near a mostly recreational airport, too, and hard agree. When it's just a few people occasionally coming and going for fun or short personal trips, it was actually nice, means that the usually dead silent neighborhood felt like it had a bit of life. But after 2008, a training company briefly bought it out and it was *hell*. Not as bad as what he had, though, because holy shit those planes are flying low. Thankfully, only a year later, the city got fed up with them and made them stop. Eventually, the company cut their losses when the lobbying wasn't working and sold the place in 2011 and it's mostly recreational again.
same, my neighborhood is next to a city airport, there's some planes now and then (and a couple jets!), but the problem is that mobile data is garbage
I can confirm this, but the plane that coming were jets and oh boy oh boy, they still doing schedule until 7-8pm here. Sometimes kiddos here aiming their toy "airsoft "gun to the direction of the jets lol.
Had you ever think of investing in some AA guns? I heard they are really effective at making slow aircraft make no noise after a short amount of time.
@@hhs_leviathan Styropyro has some real bangers you can cook up with a bit of circuit work.
Damn the poor guy’s flying up there getting shot out of the sky. Why not build something like the Fuhrerbunker. I remember Hitler was complaining about the noise.
As someone who lives under the flight path for an airport that hosts one of the biggest flight schools in Canada, I feel this. I've lived here 15 years and I can tell what kind of engine each plane is using down to whether its turbocharged or not.
You can turbocharge a plane?
@@xXphantom9030Xx Yes. Many of them are piston engines after all.
@@xXphantom9030Xx many do turbo charge because they need all the air for the engine.
@@xXphantom9030Xx you can even throw the engine away and pump the fuel straight into the turbo charger 😆
@@xXphantom9030Xx a lot of planes have forced induction (turbochargers or superchargers)
I'll be doing laps in this area in flight simulator in honor of the warehouse. Dankspeed.
I record sound for this tv show that puts people in an apartment complex and documents how they live together. Last season we were in San Diego… literally this exact thing happened to us, but in addition to the noisy teaching planes we had to deal with all the rich doctors who have replica biplanes and ww2 reproductions. Every time we tried to film outside it sounded like a ww2 air raid and just for fun, every once in a while the military base up the road would do ultra low fly bys. Anything that is full spectrum noise is near impossible to filter out, but consistent stuff like AC or even big planes are fine.
TLDR: as some one who basically gets paid to determine if a location is too loud to film at, always check the flight paths before booking a location.
Loudest thing I lived near was a train station when I was a kid. Trains were only an hourly or half-hourly nuisance. They came and went at night, but never at indecent hours, and were something I got used to. (The vibrations they caused were actually somewhat comforting while I was sleeping.)
I lived in Japan for awhile as an adult, and one morning feeling similar vibrations while sleeping and felt comforted. Then I snapped awake because I forgot I wasn't near that train station. There was an earthquake going on. XD
I had this experience while I lived in the “””suburbs””” of Istanbul. The metro line was old and loud, but never unreasonably so. And then I lived in a college town that has an Amtrak station with rails that are also used for import/export. 3 am. Every day. 3 AM. I’d get to sleep around 2 after slaving away at a hot laptop and then be immediately awoken by that bastard. And if I got to bed early?? Awoken still and then can’t get back to sleep. I don’t know how the drug dealers under the bridge could stand it.
Yeah, our local train is just a few streets down (maybe like, 20 minute walk) and hearing it is basically like someone playing the world's most annoying one-note tuba outside the window. FORTUNATELY its just a cargo train so it doesn't come by constantly, but it does come by at 2 and 6 in the morning often enough that it drives me sightly insane
I went to a house once that had one of the four main train tracks of the country exactly across the street. They would usually be fast trains that would woosh past at 200km/h, and the sound lasted for 5 seconds.However every night the cargo train came along. 1 minute of rattling and squeaking from the old freight cars. Other than that it wasn't annoying.
Really depends on how much the government cares about it's citizens and how strictly it mandates mainaining trains and tracks to keep them quiet.
Cargo trains here really are only loud when there is a flat spot on a car, otherwise it's just slightly louder than a faster four lane road, with the difference that there aren't that many cargo trains in the first place
in Montana I lived near a train line and could feel the rumbling at night. It was soothing. Now living in Japan about the same distance from a commuter train line and can't feel anything but I can hear the crossing signal. Also soothing.
props doing non-stop touch-and-gos.... not soothing.
I find it ridiculous how this tiny little local airport has no time restrictions. Even a giant international airport like London Heathrow has time restrictions and it's by far more important and significant than this little airport
They don't even need time restrictions, really. Just limited routes and a mandate to never do lap above residential areas. I mean are they really allowed to inconvenience that many people for the sake of... I'm guessing fuel savings from now having to fly further away? Jesus.
The US airforce base i live near has time restrictions
@@spicemint80 some how the aussie gov cares less than the U.S. Thats insane.
@@Yodah97 the 'laps' are called "the pattern". It's the most important thing student pilots practice, because it's how traffic around an airport is handled.
Maybe they're exploiting a legal loophole in South Australia's state laws, I don't know, what I know is that it should be illegal to operate an airport without time restrictions, be it a commercial airport, a recreational airport or a piloting school airport.
I live in a military town in the AZ desert in the US. When the jets take off it’s loud, but they beeline for the uninhabited desert so they can scream across the sky without miffing anybody. The military base actually put restrictions on any private prop planes that states they cannot fly over residential areas due to complaints.
where i live there is a air force base and its the same, you usually like 7 a week for about 30 seconds each
the one thing the US is good at.. knowing about noise complaints
In fairness, I can actually see why the US government would be more strict about not flying planes in residential areas.
"No flying over residential areas by order of United States Air Force" with a silhouette of a Sidewinder.
With how Wade yelled "SEVEN" at 4:01, you know he's having none of it anymore. Not even cheap nuggets get him this riled up.
Lmaoooo that got a laugh out of me 😂
especially considering from that shot, theres 8 planes in the air. uh oh.
Not Even Bruce Jr.'s Battery Issues Get Wade That Riled Up?!
SEVEN
Well I’m sad to see the old warehouse go buuut I’m so happy the drum dungeon is there lol. The amount of effort you put in to make your channels and the stream great is nothing short of amazing. Thank you so much for entertaining us and hopefully we can have a peaceful future at the new place!!
Yep. In my time as a flight instructor, I've done many laps around the pattern. If there's a flight school of any size at an airport, expect there to be nearly constant light aircraft traffic in the pattern. Three planes is nothing, where I worked we often had five or six in the pattern at any time, I even remember having eight. And that was for one runway.
Now, this airport was way out of town, under our pattern was a gun range, a lake, some woods, a swamp, and like ten farm fields. None of that cared about the noise. BTW, most of the noise you hear is actually from the propeller, not the engine. It is *slightly* possible to hush a propeller. Most of the noise is generated at the tip of the blade, where a vortex is formed. Just like a wing, you can reduce the magnitude of that vortex by adding a winglet. On a propeller, they call it a Q-Tip. I've never seen this technology in use on small piston-powered aircraft though, I've only seen it on turboprops.
A partial solution to this would be to construct a runway for touch and go practice far out of town. Australia is even more extreme than the United States, wherein everyone lives in four cities on the coast, and the middle of the continent is inhabited only by Clem the Mule Fucker. Build a practice field out in the middle of nowhere, then blast off, head out there all day, then come back.
I think that's kinda the point, that when the airport was built, it was in the middle of nowhere, but the city has grown. It is pretty inconsiderate of the air school however. In Perth, the main light plane airport is Jandakot, and was once in the middle of nowhere, but now has quite a bit of stuff built up. I dont think every school thats there does this, but I know some of them do fly to other smaller airfields out of town for cutting laps. not sure if its a time of day thing, or individual policy, as it can vary (this is just going of ADS-B data). we also have RAAF Pearce to the north, which is one of the 2 major air force training bases, mainly flying Pilatus PC21's and BAE Hawk 127's. they do most of their exercises out of the city, but I would occasionally see them when I worked up that way. most impressive was a day they were doing formation drills, I think 5 planes doing a pass every hour or so. 5 turboprops in a pack make one hell of a noise.
lol @ Clem the Mule Fucker. Yep, that's Australia.
@@arjovenzia I understand that cities grow but... The airport was there first and they're inconsiderate? They cant exactly just up and go. Seems like a zoning issue, we hate it too. Flying over neighborhood after neighborhood without an out makes just about everyone uncomfortable.
@@calebingraham5179 what you just said is the equivalent of backhanding someone and saying "Why'd you put your face in the way of my hand? Now my fingies hurt ):”
@@calebingraham5179 they. can. up and go. and its inconsiderate because it WAS a main airfield before the city expanded and then shut down before that happend. it only began doing this after the city already expanded and houses were built so yes it is incredibly inconsiderate because they decided to take an old defunct airfield that hadnt seen significant use for decades and has since had a residential area built around it, and decided not only would they start 24/7 classes that start incredibly early and end late IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA they would DO LAPS THAT WOULD CAUSE CONSTANT SOUND POLLUTION FOR HOURS ON END IN A SINGLE AREA. There were a million different things that could've happened to make this a non issue and they decided to do everything they could to be as much of a public disturbance as possible and that is not okay
I find it absolutely entertaining that even while he's genuinely upset and ranting about a subject almost completely unrelated to the channel, that's it's still a hilarious video while making aware of the absolute garbage some people are allowed to do.
It's how it works. If you choose to live/work near an airport you should expect a lot of noise. The airport was already there when he moved.
@@v-m-a-p but then why should they be allowed to have that much going on
Lol the noise of the tiny plane engine finally able to broke his sanity instead of dirty cheap buds 😂😂
How dare they fly at an airport!!!!
Found the NIMBY
this video honestly just made me really upset. great that you were able to move out of there, but man i feel for those who can’t afford to move out.
I mean it's an airport. What do you want? When you buy a house next to an active runway what do you expect?
@@Tetrapharma The flight school opened after the neighborhood was well established is the issue.
Well lads, it was nice knowing the warehouse.
History was made in there, memories are left.
So long perfect warehouse too close to an airport.
Well Wade, this video has instilled me a deep fear of noise pollution that is certain to help me avoid renting anywhere near an airport in the future. I appreciate you telling us about it.
agreed!
Or around Air Force bases. In Colorado Springs where I’m at I hear jets screaming during the day and planes coming thro to the local airport often.
Most airports aren't that bad if you're a good bit away. You'll get the passing plane occasionally and rarely a larger plane will fly lower than normal and be loud but it's a minute or two of noise max. Just avoid training centers and stay a good distance away and you'll be good.
Oh and don't ever live near one that has frequent helicopter landings. Helicopters are loud as fuck when above you. Although that's easier to get used to since it isn't constantly above you like those assholes were. (Australia is giant and there's plenty of better areas to train so they're all assholes)
@@719Flowers Same here, except Hill Air Force in Utah. From what I've heard they're not supposed to break the sound barrier over the valley. Does that stop them? No. No it doesn't.
My parents bought a house directly in line of the landing strip of the only international airport in the state
ive never seen a man so devoid of joy as your friend stepping into work hearing those planes
Onya Wade! Glad to help ya out! Hit me up for that beer sometime!
GOAT
I think above all I feel really bad for the residents there tbh, you had to ability to move which is fantastic. The local government however seems to not really care about the fumes or noise pollution for the residents there, and those do both genuinely impact health! Shame the government put money before people :(
if the residents knew it was there before they moved in, they can get stuffed in my opinion
@@mattploij2673 if someone can't bother watching the video before shitting out their comment they can get bent imo
I live near there, you'll get used to it and there's few planes at night so it's fine. There's also a train line next to the airport so there's that too 🤣
@@ryy1704 ONLY a few planes at night? Wow, very good indeed!
@@mattploij2673 You didnt watch the video or what bro
I just couldn’t imagine. I work as an IT Support Analyst for a company that services commercial planes and my office blocks out noise from even the military sonic jets. If I heard that on a constant basis like you do (or as a resident) I’d definitely be raising hell for it. So glad you got a better location and warehouse though!
I just wanna say how mad i am that nobody told me that one of my favourite channels was just a side hussle of another gigantic channel lol
What's his other channel?
@@tom-moroney dankpods
I just realized this wasnt on his dankpods channel
@Random Username *legend
technically, it's a side side hustle channel, since dankmus was the first channel Wade had iirc, but it doesn't matter cus it still shows how much of a legendary content creator our lovely nugget and his nugget long dog can be
It’s messed up because Hong Kong has extremely strict airspace. This causes them to buy flight schools in other countries.
God I hate the Chinese so goddamn much it's unbelievable
This is China's retaliation for us outsourcing everything to them.
Australia is just a chinese colony at this point, makes perfect sense
The "the airport was here first" argument is absolute bullshit. My grandparents lived in Para Hills in the 80s-90s, and air traffic was nothing like this, it was just standard small airport stuff - a wide variety of planes going by at irregular intervals. Most residents found it kind of interesting, because the sheer variety of single prop / twin prop / vintage planes that used Parafield Airport. Watching biplanes fly over as a kid was pretty rad.
The population aren't the ones using the airfield, they use Adelaide Airport. The noise from Parafield is almost exclusively from the flying school, and I assure you that the people who can afford to go for a pilots' license probably aren't living in the Northern suburbs.
@Casper's Studio That's a facile argument. The airport and the homeowners both have joint interest in the area, and it's normal for local governance to establish reasonable boundaries for what is acceptable for all parties. The much larger Adelaide Airport has curfews and restrictions in place for this very reason, as do most airports that overfly residential zones. Continuous, all-day flyovers by low-flying prop trainers would not be considered reasonable by most people.
@@SlightlyNasty there in lies the issue, parafield has no curfew or restrictions, its a flight school that never truly stops
I use to live near an airport. It was still a decent drive away, maybe 5-10km. At one point about 15 years ago the city complained that the airport was allowing planes (like 747s) come in too low to the houses. The airport in return, changed their runways to allow for planes to come in at a different angle away from houses.
It stayed that way for 5 years and now they fly in lower and more frequently than before, the airport has even expanded to allow more runways that make it possible to fly over the city neighborhoods.
I lived next to a noisy railroad track that was quieter.
fuck planes, trains are superior in every way
This sounds like O’Hare
I lived half a city block away from a train junction station. It would be noisy if trying to talk outside, but you get used to it. Mainly because the trains had a rhythmic hum to it. Honestly, after moving away I couldn't sleep because the trains had become ingrained ASMR. I miss the trains
"a decent drive"
2 miles
TLDR: Cars are louder and more frequent than trains.
Given the choice between living next to a busy road or right next to a suburban railway, I chose trains. 90% of the traffic is electric trains and is near silent. Traffic...does...not...stop. 2am traffic. Oh and when they decided to plane the surface flat. At night. And beep horns when the truck or equipment had to stop... They must have forgotten the 2-ways at the depot.
The Warehouse will be missed dearly, goodbye sweet dingus, you kept the nuggets safe for so, so long. Cheers mate.
I live next to a hospital. The constant helicopter noise was not anticipated, let alone the art building next door doing weird stuff in the summer. But the helicopters scaring the shit out of me at 2am flying directly over my house, even lower than a prop plan, def makes me want to move a lot sooner than I thought I would. I feel ya.
Frank has it figured out. He ain't got ears.
I swear he says frank is a she in one of the videos. Still, lucky reptile not having them sensitive hearing holes.
Frank is a girl.
Like "Frankie" but he just calls her Frank
@@dustinbrueggemann1875 yes Frank is a girl
Fish ears
My mate got his pilots licence up there, part of the training they do are go arounds where they make a landing aproach and then power out to come around and do it again which is probably what they're doing on those loops, so not only do you have the constant drone of the planes overhead, but they're doing landings and getting close to houses every few minutes...
They're called circuits, they're basically the first thing you do as a learner, it teaches you about all the different areas of a landing and taking off plane. i.e. you're flying from the gold coast to parafield, you need to know how to join the landing circuit. They tend to do touch and gos, as it allows you to actually practice landing, and instead of stopping after landing, you then power out after you've stabilised the landing, and do another circuit.
If they are doing that, why the fuck do it in a residential area. Do it in the middle of nowhere.
@@Crazy___Ginger a circuit by definition has to have one leg over the runway and another leg parallel to the runway so it's not like it can be done anywhere else. The stupid is starting a flight school in an airport in in the middle of the city. Usually they're done on small airports in the middle of nowhere.
Looking it up - Parafield is the third-busiest airport in Australia by numbers of aircraft with over 200,000 to 300,000 per year. Not all that far off from the international airport in Sydney. Holy nuts.
Funnily enough, its wikipedia page doesn't mention the noise complaints...
Should probably add some cited articles to the article
Something that benefits our users, scratch that. Continuing rewrite source as we speak - Wikipedia
tbf its a 4 runway hellscape..... what do you expect..... the real question is who let a flight school buy an airport that big anmd even more so how did a flight school buy an airport that big.
@@Rocker-1234 it’s a chinese flight school, they seem like they’d have a ton of money
@@bandombeviews6035 ooooohhhh, and its SA, so the chinese corruption literally answers everything
5:39 like a f l y i n g l a w n m o w e r
Dude, the migraine part hits home for me. I had a noisy upstairs neighbor, and I swear it sounded like an elephant lived upstairs. He just walked around SO LOUDLY. When they moved out, my headaches dissapeared, I got less stressed, more focused, even gained muscle quicker. It's crazy how big of an impact it has and no one I talked to could understand it! "Just wear ear plugs mate, it's fine!"
I feel this. We've got loud DOWNSTAIRS neighbors and really thin floors. The lady down there literally screams at her husband at the top of her lungs all fucking day. We can hear every single word she says. We've all become *noticeably* unhealthier since they moved in. It's the worst.
@@zekenelsons2069 Start typing out every word they say and cryptically sending it to their home mailbox, their work mailbox, and anything else.
“Just do XYZ”
I shouldn’t have to make concessions to be comfortable in my own home
I was in such disbelief that they would allow such noise to happen that I downloaded the app to see for myself what Wade was talking about. Not only was he right about the number of planes, but I watched a replay of Sunday and it was like they chose to do the laps between 11PM-6AM. Not even during the day, like......Of all the times to lap you picked EVERYONE'S BEDTIME!?!
I guess they assumed that if people are sleeping they couldn't hear the planes. Which is stupid because the planes probably keep them from sleeping.
Night flight requirements, have to make sure people don't get disoriented and crash the CRJ when the sun goes down.
I mean that's fair. Pilots do need to be able to fly at night. I'd think they'd choose to not lap around neighborhoods since there are airports further up. They could practice landings at different airports at night and take off back to Parafield since it's only the laps that are the real issue.
I'm not an instructor, but there needs to be some form of limit so the residents can at least have some peace of mind.
@@emilchandran546 The solution is that they should not be able to fly at night under any circumstances if the field is within X distance of residential space. Case closed, hands down it should be illegal. Like Wade said, this school opened AFTER residents had lived there for decades. Those residents accepted that the airport would be there, but they did not accept that it would operate a 24/7 training school which began operation only semi-recently. Training schools should only be able to operate at night if they are built BEFORE housing, grandfathered in, or are not flying over already having existed residential property.
Also realtors should lose their licenses after a SINGLE strike for not disclosing the existence of a flight school like this. Absolutely permanent ban from ever acting as a realtor again without chance of appeal.
Rich people don't give a fuck about others.
Its really down to Prop vs Turbine.
Props are super loud because there's fewer blades, so the noise of the propeller blade hitting the air creates loud buffeting. Turbines have multiple, smaller blades arranged in parallel that chop the noise up a bunch and 'smooth' it, also the ducting redirects the noise out the back of the engine for the most part.
Its the same reason helicopters are so damned loud because the blades are basically beating the air into submission, and the buffeting caused by that just....echoes everywhere.
It's also a different type of sound, the jets are extremely loud but they're higher, faster and it's a higher pitch while the props are lower, around for longer and have that awful buzzing noise
7 planes sounded cool af at first then fell off faster than Ricciardo's career with Redbull
In time you won't even need "with Redbull" to make this joke work
@@brazilian_oak Had to clarify for the honey badger’s fans lmao
@@WolfPackAlpha-sn2sw yes, these guys are basically dingus at this point
Well he got 2 points this weekend, so that's better than he's been getting otherwise.
wasnt expecting to see this but here we are
as a pilot this hurts me so much
i feel so bad but i love flying :(
Well it's absolutely fine to love flying, just as long as it's doesn't harm people. I know not everywhere is the same but around where I live all recreational flying is done over empty plots of desert, and I mean that's like 90% of Australia.
@@Lilly_the_Snek it is harming people witch is why he made this video
oh hey asexual Canadian, i knew you had good taste
I'm confused why the engines have to be that loud. They're not even high performance engines. Just crude old designs that have been approved and hard to replace I guess. I'm quite sure even a proportionally quieter engine but still loud would have a great benefit to the surrounding people.
@@Yourconradinarms if you pause at 9:18 these are the routs they do im just thinking
(make 2 long routes so it isn't short so one plane can't noise bomb you after the first one is leaving, thats near the least amount of people and just alternate between routes better yet get half the trainies to do one or the other and just anternate the times they leave so they don't come back at the same time for fuel)
That prop noise is SO damn relatable to me it's insane, I also live next to a small airport that's mainly used for small planes/props, but thankfully at least over here they only take off land every few HOURS, not constantly, so the noise is 100% tolerable
Good on you for pointing out the lead issues, too! I feel like governments love to tell people to just toughen up when it's mental strain, but lead has so many _demonstrable negative effects_ that it feels like an angle of attack that might get more attention.
The problem is that most planes are in the region of 50 years old, and have the same type of engine that uses leaded petrol as most cars of the time. Whilst cars obviously get scrapped at younger ages and so leaded petrol can be phased out, this sort of thing just doesn’t happen with aviation, unfortunately.
@@Jeagles airplanes require so much maintenance as they age heavily. My dad had a Cessna 337 and let’s just say the rear propeller was…problematic. After all of the repair and effectively duct taping the thing together between flights, you’d think it would be more cost effective to retrofit these crafts with newer non-leaded engines. Like, if the US can roll out the “cash for clunkers” program, they can afford to push the EPA to enforce strict regulation (like car emissions testing) and reasonably subsidize modifications. It’s an incredibly small percentage of the population but there are so many small airports in residential areas and there is so much pollution produced by these ancient planes that it does effect people’s health. Like…the Cessna 337 was used for military reconnaissance and firefighting missions…since the 60s.
@@turkicnomad5632 oh absolutely. Unfortunately I doubt any government will be willing to fund the modernisation of old aircraft, and as long as it’s cheaper to just use old engines, that’s what will happen
@@Jeagles Yeah bro, I watched the video, I get that. Unfortunately, someone's hobby should not conflict with an entire town's health.
@@star2705 most flight school traffic (at least here in England) is training to fly commercially. It’s not a hobby for a lot of student pilots. Naturally, this doesn’t change the fact that aviation needs to change, but the situation isn’t as simple as a group of rich kids frivolously pumping out chemtrails over urban areas or anything like that
12:24 is my energy. I had to replay this like 3 times, I was dying of laughter!
Thank you for making this content and I hope your move continues to go well!
Re: "Has airplane engineering peaked and we can't improve this?"
Well, no, but also no. When people say "The propeller makes that sound", what they mean is that you're hearing the sound of the blades cutting through the air. It's the _exact same noise_ as a box fan, but louder, since the blades on a prop aren't 10" (25cm), they're something like 3-4ft long (100-130cm). There are insane advancements in aircraft design, engine manufacturing, and the like; but despite propellers getting more and more efficient as time goes on, there's an upper limit to the level of noise reduction available for what is essentially a long stick being slapped against the air.
The lockheed quiet star should be the norm. It can be done it's just a tradeoff of propulsive efficiency vs people's sanity.
@@jagtan13 Jet engines can be plenty quiet, but these are props and the cost difference between jet and prop is uh just a bit big.
As someone who's lived next to an airport there whole life I can say this: you made a smart decision.
They really should build the flight school in the middle of a sparsely populated area and then the pilots can fly out of the original airport for the day, to avoid a long commute. That way you could have noise reduction *and* the convenience of not having to drive 4 hours for flight lessons.
Yeah like, it sure would be convenient if the things these people are learning to use _could literally fly somewhere else_ to do it
@@RyanTosh The problem is all the housing that was built around an airport / the fact that they didn't relocate the airport. There's no solution to practicing the holding pattern, that has to be done around an airport because it's literally its purpose.
Parafield Airport have made a few attempts to spread the noise by setting up in other less populated areas. Maryborough in Queensland and also Port Lincoln in country South Australia. The last place was not very welcoming to the noisy lawnmowers and kicked them out of town - right back to Parafield Airport. Noise was horrendous in 2020. People working from home during the pandemic got to experience what others were complaining about. In 2020 Parafield was the busiest airport in Australia with more flights than the capital of New South Wales (Sydney).
@@LutraLovegood There are airports all over Australia and all over the World. Most of the cadets are from Asia. They don't have to train here. It is like being tortured on busy flight training days.
This better be clickbait, or he’s getting a million dollar mansion
It's not clickbait
Plane go brrrrrrrr
As a car guy who enjoys cars loud enough to literally cause career ending hearing damage (Mazda 787b driven by Volker Weidler), there comes a limit. As Weidler would probably say, I love hearing loud cars and revving engines, but not for long enough that I develop sensorineural hearing loss.
I live in a town with some car enthusiasts, I coincidentally live next to a mall with a massive empty parking lot and an intersection infamous for attracting enthusiasts, and well occasionally get some ass who will do a few burnouts at 3am. This ends essentially as quickly as it starts, and chances are it won’t effect you much. I also live a few minutes away from a small airport, so we do get some prop plane air traffic. It’s only 1 plane at a time a few times per month but it’s still extremely fucking annoying. Seriously there is no understating how annoying those things are...and I shit y’all not as I’m writing this I hear one starting to approach lmao, the timing actually couldn’t be more perfect if I tried. It’s 1:20 in the morning...
I'm lucky in that at uni we may get a couple prop planes a day flying over and they aren't too bad as they are during the day time (probably flying from farnborough airport or even Dunsfold if that's still open), they are still louder than the aircraft experience in my home town. I live under flight path of Heathrow Aiport's Runway 27 Fucking L. Jets are just so easy to ignore even if they are one every 3-5 minutes and flying extremely low. Hell, I've been 1/2 km from the start of that runway, directly under a landing 747 and that was the only time a jet was louder to my ears than a prop plane lol.
My guy, I feel for you. I live in the city of a famous car auctioning company and their biannual events, so I’m surrounded by car people. On one hand, it’s awesome to basically live in a massive car exhibit; yet, on the other, there’s a nontrivial amount of drag racers and there are few people who race their choppers up the main road at 3 am. Every. Night. At least the three small airports whose flight paths I live directly under have merciful operating times. So after I’ve been jostled awake by someone’s infernal beast of burden, I’ll be sure that someone prevent me from falling asleep in the middle of the day.
As someone who is trying to move away due to a local skydiving company polluting the town with noise like 9 hoursa day, I feel this video and completely understand.
Man i feel ya. I live near the EAA museum and once a year during their airshow festival thing, I get to hear the sky filled with prop planes as well as any other kind of aeronautical noise you can think of. It's fun to hear a massive ruckus in the sky and look up to see a huge ww2 bomber with 4 gigantic propellers
Hey thats Oshkosh Wisconsin! Thats one of the biggest airshows on earth. I'm taking my Comanche 400 in this month!
Or hell remember that Seinfeld episode about the Puerto Rican Parade, yeah turns out that is based on multiple true events the writers had while living in New York because they have so many Parades
@@smokingspitfire1197 Subtle Comanche 400 plug, nice plane ;)
@@jadeng1147 One of 78 left flying! Not enjoying the fuel burn at the moment but the SOUND. What a machine.
Man... you had the opportunity to genuinely, purposefully yell at the clouds and you didn't? Such a missed opportunity. So hear this, on cloudy days, you're even more frakked than normal with these low flying bumblebees as the noise they make bounces off them and gets smacked off the ground and back several times.
“4:30”…🎶Feel good🎶
Goodbye warehouse, it was nice havin ya to store our dingus things.
I live in Mawson Lakes and am right next to the runways. I've become so accustomed to the engine noise that it was odd hearing nothing during the start of the pandemic. I actually don't the plane engines at all, regardless of the time. We've lived under it for over seven years and it doesn't bother us. I can understand the annoyance for others however.
To be honest unless they are jets, you don't actually hear engine noise, but propeller noise instead. That's why it can't be silenced- you can't just put a muffler on them like you can on an engine.
@@mataskart9894 There's ducted propellers and whatnot, but that's a different kind of plane and costs more. The loudness is a legitimately inescapable piece of engineering for planes of that size.
I know you're suffering. I've lived by airports, train stations, hospitals/fire stations. The train station was oddly the quietest one out of the bunch. You'd get a rumble and maybe the screech of brakes, but it was never late at night. With the exception of the bi-monthly train coming down from up North that must have been from World War 2 and sounded like a battalion. They ended up rescheduling the arrival time of that since so many people complained. Unless they were new the fire station / hospitals didn't kick on their Sirens until they're a lot further down the road. We actually had a drinking game with a few of my roommates at the time on how often we hear a siren.
The airport was the worst offender since when it was originally built it was designed for smaller aircraft. So the noise pollution wasn't as big and thus the neighborhood built itself around it. Then at some point in the late eighties or nineties it became a sort of Mini hub for larger/ recreational planes.
Trains are honestly kinda relaxing to me, especially infrequently
Your experience with trains and mine are completely different, you must've lived near a modern station, I use to leave near a old rural station, old rural homes aren't really built the best so when a train comes it shakes, but also since it's the middle of nowhere that means less people will complain, according to NYS, so there was times at about 11 PM to the latest I ever seen was 1 AM when a train will come and wake me up
When you live on a major road, you do literally start to block it out as white noise because its so reliable and consistent, and isnt an abrasive noise. Highways are a different story but I'll leave my hatred of NA-style city design for another time.
Prop planes however, are impossible to drown out as white noise. Its an irritating, grating noise that is louder than any natural noise.
I grew up extremely rural, so moving to a major street in a large city took adjusting. But the thing is, even on the busiest days I can sit in my back yard, which is not more than 30 meters from the road I'd say, with no sound barriers whatsoever, and the wind through the leaves and the birds chirping are more at the forefront than the cars.
In my hometown, which ironically was near a common flight path to the city I now live in, any time a prop plane flew over it was practically deafening in comparison to the gentle ambience of a rural farm outside harvesting or sewing season.
Don't agree about the road noise, not talking about highways or freeways either.
Just mean it's a personal matter, depends on everyone. I can't get used to a vacuum and church bells either, and those are short but regular noises. Regularity is the key here I think.
I feel your pain, bro. I live by an “international” airport with anything from prop engines to screaming jets. Fun when you’re in the middle of something and you have to stop just so you can hold onto whatever brain matter you have. It is fun seeing the different kinds of planes coming from out of there from time to time tho, and the presidential and congressional jets like to practice out of it
Same here. One of the big ones too. Houston international airport :D
3:38 this is a living hell. thank goodness you got out of there. feels bad for the residents.
2:58 basically the way pilots initially learn to fly is landing and taking off again, by approaching for a landing, touching the ground, and taking off again, then flying around a “traffic pattern”, lining up for an approach, and repeating. The laps that you’re talking about are a fixed height and distance from the airport, so pilots sort of have to follow those paths.
An airfield near me has a no fly area that you have to avoid because the locals complained but unfortunately your government seems to not really care.
The issue with trainer aircraft is that as well as mostly being the Fiat 126s of the sky, it’s the propellor, not the engine that makes the noise, so the noise persists regardless of improvements in technology, whereas jets can keep getting quieter.
Sadly, being a GA pilot is either the hobby of the rich or something that has to happen in order to train to fly airliners for a job, and as long as people can be convinced that nothing will change, nothing will.
That turned into a massive essay but I’m still going to post it
I'm not an expert on anything but I feel like they could probably set up an airfield outside the city that they could practice on, and restrict the main airfield to landing and taking off only.
They wouldn't need the full facilities of an airfield since it's only for practicing touching down and taking off again, so it wouldn't need to refuel or service planes outside of occasional emergencies, so it'd be cheaper than just building an entirely new one.
Of course, it still costs money, so I'm sure politicians would still say "no"
the people living there just need to start firing at the planes for tresspassing their airfield. ez.
Cant the fly school just build another airfield out in the desert, where no one lives and they cant disturb anyone.
But here it seems to be a problem of government not caring, because they could mandate the fligth school do something.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ so that’s theoretically possible but realistically impractical - if you want to spend an hour doing patterns, you don’t want to spend 15 minutes of that flying to/from the airport you’re doing it at
You know, it's not like there aren't vast, uninhabited areas of land in Australia left and right. I'm sure the cost of having to drive a few miles outside are nothing compared to actually flying planes. Or having the fuel trucks drive a little longer until they can drop their stuff.
I always forget how lovely of a human being you are. Even when you are enraged you still think about all the factors and are more than fair. The Steve Irwin of tech.
I did my flight training at Parafield haha, TBH it sounds worse from inside Lmao
I feel your pain main. I live about two blocks from an active railroad and in a town with a massive army base. If it isn't trains it's helicopters, and if it isn't either of those things it's the army blowing shit up in the middle of the night.
What's crazy is the fact that the government forces landlords to give people free rent with section 8 but won't give up their city land and move their shit to the country and let people live on their land for free.
Just want hard working Americans to pay for people's rent so some political figures can reap the reward without putting anything in
@@Ave_Satana666 Wait is the free rent thing true? And where if so?
@@DJ_Moosterno, lmao. Section 8 pays 30-60% of rent for people with untenably low income below the poverty line, but only in special low income housing, and only if they meet certain requirements and fill out unending forms. It's basically a second full time job for the disabled and impoverished to get some help with rent in very basic efficiency or 1br apartments.
12:33 *drumgeon
this is insane. I have lived near airfields and air ports all my life, I go to college for Aviation maintenance. My classes are IN THE AIRPORT ON THE THE CAMPUS. Never once has it been like this, even in my classes. My school flies Cessna 152, 172, and the 421's, and that is not including all of the military aircraft that come in and out on the daily. So that's c-130, c-17, and more. yet never once has the noise pollution ever been that bad. Hell, they also do laps at the flight school. yet even then the noise has never been that bad. Those planes are ridiculously loud for no reason. I pains me to hear all of that noise.
you should really use those recordings of the plane engines to make some horrific soundscape track where it's just that and dissonant chords for an hour, call it warehouse woes or something
I grew up near an Interstate Highway in the US, especially in the winter when sound travels further, it always generates a constant and quiet roar, and I love it. It's comforting white noise to me, and where Im buying a house is even closer, which is no problem to me. But the planes, I couldn't imagine that. Inconsistent, obnoxiously loud, even shaking the building occasionally. Like for me, once in a great while some C-17s will fly directly over the house, at night, at low altitude, doing manual navigation exercises (yes, following road maps in a C-17). Rattles the whole house and shakes you out of bed. It's super cool, but that's because it's rare. If it was every day and night, you probably couldn't pay me to live here any longer.
Isnt like 99% of Australia uninhabited? Why not fly over some dessert?
As someone who can't tolerate constantly barking neighbours dogs or squeaky whirly birds this sends me wild just to think about
Birds are fine. but yes Dog barks are awful, But the most problematic for me is kids crying and screaming in the basement.
The worst of the worst is roosters.
i love how the government's job is always to fuck over the regular person's life and doing everything in their power to make it worse too
It's their job to live in luxury they don't deserve, earn money they shouldn't and destroy the lives of the citizens because the only reason they got the job in the first place was the first two.
It's becoming more apparent day by day that politics needs a reset, this neo-bourgeoisie needs a capper and severe punishments for crossing the line.
This
i also live near an airport and it's quite a busy one but i only hear the landings for some seconds and that's it. the loudest and most annoying things are the older soviet planes (very rare to see but i saw one insanely low passing on top of me it was amazing),A400M's and C130's. but it's also the best part. oh and i also love using flightradar24 and liveatc together
Shout out to all the "James" homies in life. The people who are incredibly handy at damn near everything. Need some plumbing help? Call James. Car acting up? See what James says. Nuclear powerplant needs a radiation safety engineer? ... actually probably don't call James for that one.
I feel your pain believe me. We on Anglesey in North Wales had a very similar problem. but it wasn't an small airport no, no, no it was the RAF. They train pilots up to fly Hawks which were loud but very few fly overhead a day. This was up until around 2017 I think. Then they started using propellor planes to train in. They were more frequent and loud. So after local newspaper coverage and hundreds of complaints, what do you think the RAF did? No your wrong, they explained the reason for the planes, they apologised for the noise and issues it caused. Then said they were working on a way to make them quieter. All they asked was a bit of time and patience to fix the noise issues. Now they nearly never fly over anymore and if they do there is only one or two that do. RAF done good.
Wow. The good ending was such a plot twist.
I’ve never felt actually mad at a video before. First time for everything I guess
I live horizontal to an airport runway, and as an aviation enthusiast I don't mind the noise, and in fact love sitting outside and watching the planes, but, from having experienced a Cessna 172 in the passenger seat, I could not stand this noise 24/7 from multiple planes at. A. Time. New warehouse looks promising though!
Ive had migraines my whole life and they're no joke. Even a little one can make me just so tired and nauseous. And if you never used to get them and start having them the levels of pain is absolutely insane.
Glad you got a better warehouse and I cannot wait to see the content that'll come out of it.
And I'm really starting to consider subbing to the Patreon so I can be one of those stinky names too
I’m especially light sensitive more than anything else when I have any severity of migraine, so I regularly wear my sunglasses indoors. I’m fairly certain, other than my friends, that everyone thinks I’m just hungover. Because, god I look like it. Exhausted, glued to a cup of coffee, and ready to kill or die.
My old roommate basically limped into my room with a migraine-she had never had one, and we still don’t know what triggered it-for help. I’ve gotten used to them since I was 8 that I forgot how awful the first one is. Truly I would not wish anyone a migraine.
@@turkicnomad5632 I usually just sit in a dark room and put something cold on my forehead and it doesn't get rid of it by any means but it makes it less sufferable while I'm trying to get rid of it lol
Yup, the worst part of a migraine is when you feel it coming on and you just know, your day is over. You'll have to now lie down in a dark and quiet room until you hopefully fall asleep, because you can't focus on anything and you can't do any task properly. And if you do fall asleep, your sleeping pattern is ruined and you have to take a few days to just get it on track again. Migraines are the worst.
@@gownerjones you just have to hope and pray that you cought it in time and that the medicine will work in time. Then it gets to like 2 hours later and it's way worse and like you said, just your day ruined at that point lol
@@liamturner6424 When I have a normal headache, I can take ibuprofen and it usually goes away. But nothing has ever worked on a migraine for me. My doctor prescribed triptanes which also didn't help. The only thing that heals a migraine is sleep for me.
Sometimes I get painless migraines though. I just get very intense aura that makes me think I'm going blind. Also a lot of fun but thankfully usually over in half an hour.
Flight schools are going to switch to electric trainers soon. They are much quieter and don't need long range duration. The prop will still make noise but it's not as bad.Piston planes also run on leaded fuel which is harmful to everyone that lives there.
I live near the biggest natiional flight school in my country. I don't mind the noise myself but I grew up with this and worked as an aircraft technician for 20 years.
When you think about it, it makes sense the prop planes are so much louder. Jet engines are entirely contained in the shroud, and most of the air that's carrying the sound is getting blasted out the back of the engine at a few hundred kilometers per hour, meaning most of the sound gets directed straight back and not toward the ground. Props, on the other hand, are completely open, and the air coming out of them isn't going nearly as fast, meaning that the sound gets to freely travel wherever it likes.
8:11 "AirPort”
your tech side forgot to leave lmfaoo
Concerning the route at 9:22, I know what that is! That plane likely has a camera on it and is taking aerial photographs for surveying! Very important work, actually.
i like how you were like "oh cool, now i can watch planes" at first, then it went to "thats a little distracting" and finally "i have to leave".
oh yeah, thats right at 7:48 its ok for a company to fly there planes with leaded gas, when it was specifically banned in car to stop air pollution. they can burn as much gas as they want, but o have to drive a eco friendly city car. they can dump as much lead in there gas as they want, but if i put any in my car its instantly e-legal. they can make as much noise as they want, but if i have a car thats noisy its not ok.
To be fair, there are more cars on the road then there are planes in the sky.
There are more planes at the bottom of the ocean than submarines in the sky.
@@roland985 But on the other hand they haven't been a brand new leaded gas car on the road (At least in Eagle Land) since the early 1970s
@@roland985 yeah but its still lead.
As Dankpods said any amount of lead is bad.
From the AVGAS wiki page states that the amount of lead in 100LL (which is much better than previous aviation fuel) "this lies within the same range as the lead content of on-road automotive gasoline from 1973." So current prop planes are using fuel with the same lead concentrations of cars 50 years ago! oh and they are releasing it straight into the air above where people live and work.
I grew up near an air base, and got used to the sound of F15s taking off all day long, and during the night when night flying was scheduled. We lived in a valley, so when they were on afterburner, the sound reverberated off of the hills and would literally shake windows. You get used to it.
And I ended up joining the Air Force, working on F15s
Same here, grew up near an air base.
After a while you just stop noticing, hell even the bomb blasts don't register unless it's one of the really big lads that shakes the walls.
Man the Australian Government hasn't had the best track record as of late can't say I'm surprised.
they never had, its always been 'The UK but sensitive'
funny how nowadays the UK is as bad as Australia
Man, I had thought Australia had vast unpopulated areas that would be perfect for flying practice. But nope, circles over a town.
When you're teaching people to sail do you stay near the shore or do you take all the newbies out to the middle of the sea?
@@salsamancer that's a terrible comparison
@@salsamancer funny enough that analogy is basically what he was saying, would you rather disturb the peace and injure innocent people if you fail or can focus thanks to not having to worry about other people doing their thing. Not to mention comparing flying to sailing is dumb already, the ocean is big but only has so many areas you can technically sail in. You can and we have literally flown over everything, so why is there a need to decide to do it in a place that can not just disturb people but also put them in a lot of danger if you fuck up majorly.
Now here's the thing, Australia does have that, but their unpopulated areas are so bad to live in you have to live underground because it's so hot
@@salsamancer yeah but the desert
I live out in the middle of a bunch of cotton fields and we get crop dusters with that kind of noise. That only goes on for a couple hours, tops, and happens a whopping twice a year. I cannot fathom having to hear that all day and night, nonstop. Holy shit.
I would love for the people who think flying cars will be a thing to see this.
You need to go to the one place untouched by planes. SPACE.
lol
That's rough. As an instructor I get why they turn so many laps, landing practice is important for private pilot students, but usually when we have training airports they're selected to be far enough away from residential areas or have special noise abatement procedures. It really sucks all around, but I hope the new location works out for you. PS, you should get some flying time in, its such a great hobby/career/passion!
@Keegan. There are some controls over parts of the main residential areas, nothing over the industrial areas. The city grew around the airport
The major flight school is the main problem. As Dankpods said, gov likes that sweet sweet cash.
Mawson Lakes is only a new suburb too.
i used to work in a warehouse under the flight path of a local airport
it sucked
3:45 wtf is this shit? a Luftwaffe bombing raid?
I thought I had it bad near a US airbase (I'm in the UK). Even when they try out their big boys it at least passes quickly. Your ears have my condolences. Glad you've escaped!
The Adelaide council has 100% great ideas and they are very reasonable and definitely don't make stupid decisions. Adelaide is a very good place. Glory to thr Adelaide council 😃👍🏻
Man I feel you. My house was half a mile at most from a small airport. And before that I lived 8 miles from O’Hare international airport. Two towns over was trying to get the flight paths changed. Suffice to say, the home near O’Hare was better because the planes where already high enough to where it’s not that distracting. The one house by a small airport felt like it was barely 100 feet off the ground.
we have figured out the prop volume, you add a duct, or cowling around the prop tips, and it reduces the noise a ton. however, that is impractical for private aircraft, as the engineering for that increases cost exponentially.
Plus safety concerns of it breaking and striking the prop and blocking visibility but as a pilot that's actually a neat idea, i'd love to see the difference it makes in person
I always found the noise of prop planes synonymous with summer, tbh they were up a lot higher going over Swindon. It was actually under one of the busiest flight corridors around England iirc, I think. But I digress, that would drive me bloody barmy, especially with two overlapping, reminded me of old WW2 blitz footage. I'm glad you got out, shame nothing can be done to help the residents. Wait, surely there are airfields out of city limits they could relocate to. If they're that desperate to get more pilots with more flight time, they could get the big airports/flight providers to chip in to move it? Oh wishfull thinking.
The thing that kinda boggles my mind about this is that like 90% of Australia of uninhabitable desert. So like, fly a few miles into the desert?
It would be better in the interest in the safety, so you have empty ground to land instead of a bunch of houses under you
It's for doing pattern work, take off and landing are the most dangerous parts of flight so it gets the most practice.
@@cod5x and you need to do that in a populated area for what reason exactly?
@@plantain.1739 That's where the airport is, however a lot of flight schools will fly to less populated local airports if they are nearby and use those.
@@cod5x Maybe the politicians getting rich should spend that money on an airport outside. It's clear the problem is both Hong Kong having no standards and the politicians working for themselves and maybe the rich, but not for the people.
IIRC while they may not be all great, I believe there are those that hire work in China requiring the Chinese to have a standard, if they break that standard, they no longer get to cooperate with the foreign company. I imagine "Don't have them live in such poor conditions they'd rather commit suicide" is one of them. It may even benefit the parties involved since they won't have to train someone new because the last guy killed himself.
Why the Chinese workers jump out the building to kill themselves is beyond me, is there a psychological effect that makes jumping out easier than slitting your own throat or stabbing yourself in the heart or whatever part guarantees a death? Pills could also be a way to go, but they may be locked behind prescriptions.
Is it that once you've jumped, you literally can't regret it? It can be similar to slitting your throat, but when you regret doing that, you're still going to die in possibly terrible pain for a moment.
At least when you are in the air, you don't feel such pain. Shame there aren't ghosts for just this specific question. It may not be different from what I am thinking, but asking them directly leads to confirmation.
It gets to a point where you gotta band together and do something about it, from what I’ve seen the Australian government doesn’t give a damn about it’s people you guys gotta start a war or something
Everyone laughs until the Aussies break out the barrage balloons.
Those flight patterns... almost looks like some sort of planned conspiracy to test noise/fuel pollution on a residential population. Thats how bad it looks. Of course, the airport is also chinese owned too.
On the real though, they're just too lazy but also too busy to worry about the residents that have to live with this bull. Sorry the nugget cars have to become nomads.
EDIT: THEY'RE ALLOWING _MORE!?!_ HOLLY SHIT MAYBE THE CHINESE ARE ACTUALLY CONSPIRING BY LOBBYING THE GOV AND JUST FUCKING WITH YOU GUYS WTF?!
4:05 Sounds like a damn Viking tribe trying to send their dead commander into the afterlife... Sure, it sounds cool, once, but after a few months your brain starts saying "Well there goes another Viking to the afterlife again, *Grrrrr* "!
Ive lived in Salisbury all my life and never really taken much note to the constant planes going over my house, probably due to growing up with it. Found it funny that one of the clips you were showing had a plane going over and at the same time i could hear one outside from Parafield airport lmao.
I worked on military jets everyday in the Air Force and now I occasionally do in the reserves. Massive planes with 4 engines, and they’re nearly silent after I marshal them out. Prop planes are ridiculous compared to propulsion jets. I’m glad you were able to get a new warehouse, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
Depends on the engine, ever been to a fighter base? them suckers are loud. I'd take a prop plane over an F-16 any day! lmao.
Can't speak for other platforms, but the C-5 specifically, new engines were part of the Modernization package. Aside from just being better, more efficient engines, they were quieter which helps us operating from bases in Europe and other places that have sound restrictions. Best part of being in Germany was when Crew Rest got extended because of their quiet times. We had C-17s on our base as well and they were also pretty quiet, being relatively new though I'd imagine they have similar engine tech.
Are you totally deranged? I've been to an airshow, I felt f18s flying overhead. Those engines were so loud that they caused me immediate pain. They didn't have to fly supersonic, the sound of the engines alone was shocking! On the other hand as I've recounted elsewhere in this thread I used to live underneath the pattern for a private airport with piston engine planes and they were just there. The noise of their engines was just another part of my world, it was never shocking. As a matter of fact I found it pleasant.
There's a reason that when it comes to tables of relative loudness, jet engines are used for one of the loudest sounds and not piston engine airplanes. I'm just totally shocked to see a hole channel full of people suddenly insisting the jet engines are so quiet. It's bizarre.
@@NomadSoul76 lol fighters are a different breed. I worked on KC-135s and C-17s, and we had an F15 base 5 miles away. Larger cargo planes are quiet with all the accounting panelling they can contain around the engine(s) due to overkill of thrust they have with so many engines. Most propeller planes and fighters don’t have that luxury.
@@Mike-pq8yu I was stationed in Mildenhall, with 135s, 130s, and CV-22s. Lakenheath was a few miles away with 15s. Arguably the 135s were the quietest. I would hate when 15s would do approaches or low flies over Mildenhall, it would shake the buildings. But the aircraft on Mildenhall, despite being massive compared to a single prop, were extremely quiet.