Airports are terrible neighbors, especially ones with flight schools. Hint: If you can read the designation on a 1-engine plane, it's probably flying under the minimum height. They do this all the time near my mom's place, it's horribly loud. In the florida boondocks, I'm surprised people don't shoot at them.
this starts over my house, I get a radio to ask the piloits derectily to cut it out we're trying to fucking Sleep! than explane that if your alllowed to fill my air with your noise pollution where I have to hear it, I can fill yours with mine!
"it can't be that bad, can it?" _ten minutes later_ "I'm honestly shocked at how bad it is, like every additional layer of badness was a multiplier, I'm pretty sure in France they would have thrown molotov's"
@@kennorcott7074 sunk cost fallacy and investors are my guess, they've spent so much money and getting so much money for having the airfield running and being used as a school because it's "close" enough for people to drive to. There are a few more small runways and airfields where they do glider launches but they're more than an hour away, and they can't have the people who are paying several thousands of dollars to either learn be so inconvenienced
I live in a military town in the AZ desert in the US. When the jets take off it’s loud, but they beeline for the uninhabited desert so they can scream across the sky without miffing anybody. The military base actually put restrictions on any private prop planes that states they cannot fly over residential areas due to complaints.
I find it ridiculous how this tiny little local airport has no time restrictions. Even a giant international airport like London Heathrow has time restrictions and it's by far more important and significant than this little airport
They don't even need time restrictions, really. Just limited routes and a mandate to never do lap above residential areas. I mean are they really allowed to inconvenience that many people for the sake of... I'm guessing fuel savings from now having to fly further away? Jesus.
@@Yodah97 the 'laps' are called "the pattern". It's the most important thing student pilots practice, because it's how traffic around an airport is handled.
Maybe they're exploiting a legal loophole in South Australia's state laws, I don't know, what I know is that it should be illegal to operate an airport without time restrictions, be it a commercial airport, a recreational airport or a piloting school airport.
Call me kooky, but to me the sounds from those planes are relaxing. I actually got drowsy watching this vid. I could take a great nap in a hammock out there....err.... on second thought, I meant, take a great nap here in the states. Cause with my luck, i could be a couple of km inland and still die from some dingo-doggo brushing up against my arm, with some sorta Irukandji or Chironex-Fleckeri stuck to it's fur. {0.o}
Wife and I just bought a house, Happens to be right under the landing approach for our regional airport. Honestly, I'm surprised how not bad it has been.
@@ShockingPikachu "massive noise" LOL!! Umm....not even close. You have no idea young-one, what loud is. 🤣 💀🤪 I grew up a mile away from a small Airport where most of the county's low-flying ww2 crop-dusters were housed. Those lil planes flyin' over Wade's old place are rather quaint in their noise pollution.
I record sound for this tv show that puts people in an apartment complex and documents how they live together. Last season we were in San Diego… literally this exact thing happened to us, but in addition to the noisy teaching planes we had to deal with all the rich doctors who have replica biplanes and ww2 reproductions. Every time we tried to film outside it sounded like a ww2 air raid and just for fun, every once in a while the military base up the road would do ultra low fly bys. Anything that is full spectrum noise is near impossible to filter out, but consistent stuff like AC or even big planes are fine. TLDR: as some one who basically gets paid to determine if a location is too loud to film at, always check the flight paths before booking a location.
Well Wade, this video has instilled me a deep fear of noise pollution that is certain to help me avoid renting anywhere near an airport in the future. I appreciate you telling us about it.
Most airports aren't that bad if you're a good bit away. You'll get the passing plane occasionally and rarely a larger plane will fly lower than normal and be loud but it's a minute or two of noise max. Just avoid training centers and stay a good distance away and you'll be good. Oh and don't ever live near one that has frequent helicopter landings. Helicopters are loud as fuck when above you. Although that's easier to get used to since it isn't constantly above you like those assholes were. (Australia is giant and there's plenty of better areas to train so they're all assholes)
@@719Flowers Same here, except Hill Air Force in Utah. From what I've heard they're not supposed to break the sound barrier over the valley. Does that stop them? No. No it doesn't.
I live somewhere where there's an airport that mostly just does recreational stuff and I can assure you, it's not so bad when it's like, every once and a while. It's actually kinda nice, breaks up the monotony. What you've got though? Not nice. Very un-nice. Mega not nice. Some would even say *bad.*
Same, I used to live under the approach path of a regional airport and really enjoyed seeking the different aircraft being an avgeek my self. But this would be incredibly annoying. This is clearly a big school churning out as many training hours as possible.
I've live near a mostly recreational airport, too, and hard agree. When it's just a few people occasionally coming and going for fun or short personal trips, it was actually nice, means that the usually dead silent neighborhood felt like it had a bit of life. But after 2008, a training company briefly bought it out and it was *hell*. Not as bad as what he had, though, because holy shit those planes are flying low. Thankfully, only a year later, the city got fed up with them and made them stop. Eventually, the company cut their losses when the lobbying wasn't working and sold the place in 2011 and it's mostly recreational again.
I can confirm this, but the plane that coming were jets and oh boy oh boy, they still doing schedule until 7-8pm here. Sometimes kiddos here aiming their toy "airsoft "gun to the direction of the jets lol.
Yep. In my time as a flight instructor, I've done many laps around the pattern. If there's a flight school of any size at an airport, expect there to be nearly constant light aircraft traffic in the pattern. Three planes is nothing, where I worked we often had five or six in the pattern at any time, I even remember having eight. And that was for one runway. Now, this airport was way out of town, under our pattern was a gun range, a lake, some woods, a swamp, and like ten farm fields. None of that cared about the noise. BTW, most of the noise you hear is actually from the propeller, not the engine. It is *slightly* possible to hush a propeller. Most of the noise is generated at the tip of the blade, where a vortex is formed. Just like a wing, you can reduce the magnitude of that vortex by adding a winglet. On a propeller, they call it a Q-Tip. I've never seen this technology in use on small piston-powered aircraft though, I've only seen it on turboprops. A partial solution to this would be to construct a runway for touch and go practice far out of town. Australia is even more extreme than the United States, wherein everyone lives in four cities on the coast, and the middle of the continent is inhabited only by Clem the Mule Fucker. Build a practice field out in the middle of nowhere, then blast off, head out there all day, then come back.
I think that's kinda the point, that when the airport was built, it was in the middle of nowhere, but the city has grown. It is pretty inconsiderate of the air school however. In Perth, the main light plane airport is Jandakot, and was once in the middle of nowhere, but now has quite a bit of stuff built up. I dont think every school thats there does this, but I know some of them do fly to other smaller airfields out of town for cutting laps. not sure if its a time of day thing, or individual policy, as it can vary (this is just going of ADS-B data). we also have RAAF Pearce to the north, which is one of the 2 major air force training bases, mainly flying Pilatus PC21's and BAE Hawk 127's. they do most of their exercises out of the city, but I would occasionally see them when I worked up that way. most impressive was a day they were doing formation drills, I think 5 planes doing a pass every hour or so. 5 turboprops in a pack make one hell of a noise.
@@arjovenzia I understand that cities grow but... The airport was there first and they're inconsiderate? They cant exactly just up and go. Seems like a zoning issue, we hate it too. Flying over neighborhood after neighborhood without an out makes just about everyone uncomfortable.
@@calebingraham5179 what you just said is the equivalent of backhanding someone and saying "Why'd you put your face in the way of my hand? Now my fingies hurt ):”
@@calebingraham5179 they. can. up and go. and its inconsiderate because it WAS a main airfield before the city expanded and then shut down before that happend. it only began doing this after the city already expanded and houses were built so yes it is incredibly inconsiderate because they decided to take an old defunct airfield that hadnt seen significant use for decades and has since had a residential area built around it, and decided not only would they start 24/7 classes that start incredibly early and end late IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA they would DO LAPS THAT WOULD CAUSE CONSTANT SOUND POLLUTION FOR HOURS ON END IN A SINGLE AREA. There were a million different things that could've happened to make this a non issue and they decided to do everything they could to be as much of a public disturbance as possible and that is not okay
As someone who lives under the flight path for an airport that hosts one of the biggest flight schools in Canada, I feel this. I've lived here 15 years and I can tell what kind of engine each plane is using down to whether its turbocharged or not.
Damn the poor guy’s flying up there getting shot out of the sky. Why not build something like the Fuhrerbunker. I remember Hitler was complaining about the noise.
Loudest thing I lived near was a train station when I was a kid. Trains were only an hourly or half-hourly nuisance. They came and went at night, but never at indecent hours, and were something I got used to. (The vibrations they caused were actually somewhat comforting while I was sleeping.) I lived in Japan for awhile as an adult, and one morning feeling similar vibrations while sleeping and felt comforted. Then I snapped awake because I forgot I wasn't near that train station. There was an earthquake going on. XD
I had this experience while I lived in the “””suburbs””” of Istanbul. The metro line was old and loud, but never unreasonably so. And then I lived in a college town that has an Amtrak station with rails that are also used for import/export. 3 am. Every day. 3 AM. I’d get to sleep around 2 after slaving away at a hot laptop and then be immediately awoken by that bastard. And if I got to bed early?? Awoken still and then can’t get back to sleep. I don’t know how the drug dealers under the bridge could stand it.
Yeah, our local train is just a few streets down (maybe like, 20 minute walk) and hearing it is basically like someone playing the world's most annoying one-note tuba outside the window. FORTUNATELY its just a cargo train so it doesn't come by constantly, but it does come by at 2 and 6 in the morning often enough that it drives me sightly insane
I went to a house once that had one of the four main train tracks of the country exactly across the street. They would usually be fast trains that would woosh past at 200km/h, and the sound lasted for 5 seconds.However every night the cargo train came along. 1 minute of rattling and squeaking from the old freight cars. Other than that it wasn't annoying.
Really depends on how much the government cares about it's citizens and how strictly it mandates mainaining trains and tracks to keep them quiet. Cargo trains here really are only loud when there is a flat spot on a car, otherwise it's just slightly louder than a faster four lane road, with the difference that there aren't that many cargo trains in the first place
in Montana I lived near a train line and could feel the rumbling at night. It was soothing. Now living in Japan about the same distance from a commuter train line and can't feel anything but I can hear the crossing signal. Also soothing. props doing non-stop touch-and-gos.... not soothing.
Well I’m sad to see the old warehouse go buuut I’m so happy the drum dungeon is there lol. The amount of effort you put in to make your channels and the stream great is nothing short of amazing. Thank you so much for entertaining us and hopefully we can have a peaceful future at the new place!!
I just couldn’t imagine. I work as an IT Support Analyst for a company that services commercial planes and my office blocks out noise from even the military sonic jets. If I heard that on a constant basis like you do (or as a resident) I’d definitely be raising hell for it. So glad you got a better location and warehouse though!
I find it absolutely entertaining that even while he's genuinely upset and ranting about a subject almost completely unrelated to the channel, that's it's still a hilarious video while making aware of the absolute garbage some people are allowed to do.
I live next to a hospital. The constant helicopter noise was not anticipated, let alone the art building next door doing weird stuff in the summer. But the helicopters scaring the shit out of me at 2am flying directly over my house, even lower than a prop plan, def makes me want to move a lot sooner than I thought I would. I feel ya. Frank has it figured out. He ain't got ears.
Looking it up - Parafield is the third-busiest airport in Australia by numbers of aircraft with over 200,000 to 300,000 per year. Not all that far off from the international airport in Sydney. Holy nuts. Funnily enough, its wikipedia page doesn't mention the noise complaints...
tbf its a 4 runway hellscape..... what do you expect..... the real question is who let a flight school buy an airport that big anmd even more so how did a flight school buy an airport that big.
Good on you for pointing out the lead issues, too! I feel like governments love to tell people to just toughen up when it's mental strain, but lead has so many _demonstrable negative effects_ that it feels like an angle of attack that might get more attention.
The problem is that most planes are in the region of 50 years old, and have the same type of engine that uses leaded petrol as most cars of the time. Whilst cars obviously get scrapped at younger ages and so leaded petrol can be phased out, this sort of thing just doesn’t happen with aviation, unfortunately.
@@Jeagles airplanes require so much maintenance as they age heavily. My dad had a Cessna 337 and let’s just say the rear propeller was…problematic. After all of the repair and effectively duct taping the thing together between flights, you’d think it would be more cost effective to retrofit these crafts with newer non-leaded engines. Like, if the US can roll out the “cash for clunkers” program, they can afford to push the EPA to enforce strict regulation (like car emissions testing) and reasonably subsidize modifications. It’s an incredibly small percentage of the population but there are so many small airports in residential areas and there is so much pollution produced by these ancient planes that it does effect people’s health. Like…the Cessna 337 was used for military reconnaissance and firefighting missions…since the 60s.
@@glass.hammer oh absolutely. Unfortunately I doubt any government will be willing to fund the modernisation of old aircraft, and as long as it’s cheaper to just use old engines, that’s what will happen
@@star2705 most flight school traffic (at least here in England) is training to fly commercially. It’s not a hobby for a lot of student pilots. Naturally, this doesn’t change the fact that aviation needs to change, but the situation isn’t as simple as a group of rich kids frivolously pumping out chemtrails over urban areas or anything like that
Its really down to Prop vs Turbine. Props are super loud because there's fewer blades, so the noise of the propeller blade hitting the air creates loud buffeting. Turbines have multiple, smaller blades arranged in parallel that chop the noise up a bunch and 'smooth' it, also the ducting redirects the noise out the back of the engine for the most part. Its the same reason helicopters are so damned loud because the blades are basically beating the air into submission, and the buffeting caused by that just....echoes everywhere.
It's also a different type of sound, the jets are extremely loud but they're higher, faster and it's a higher pitch while the props are lower, around for longer and have that awful buzzing noise
Dude, the migraine part hits home for me. I had a noisy upstairs neighbor, and I swear it sounded like an elephant lived upstairs. He just walked around SO LOUDLY. When they moved out, my headaches dissapeared, I got less stressed, more focused, even gained muscle quicker. It's crazy how big of an impact it has and no one I talked to could understand it! "Just wear ear plugs mate, it's fine!"
I feel this. We've got loud DOWNSTAIRS neighbors and really thin floors. The lady down there literally screams at her husband at the top of her lungs all fucking day. We can hear every single word she says. We've all become *noticeably* unhealthier since they moved in. It's the worst.
I was in such disbelief that they would allow such noise to happen that I downloaded the app to see for myself what Wade was talking about. Not only was he right about the number of planes, but I watched a replay of Sunday and it was like they chose to do the laps between 11PM-6AM. Not even during the day, like......Of all the times to lap you picked EVERYONE'S BEDTIME!?!
I mean that's fair. Pilots do need to be able to fly at night. I'd think they'd choose to not lap around neighborhoods since there are airports further up. They could practice landings at different airports at night and take off back to Parafield since it's only the laps that are the real issue. I'm not an instructor, but there needs to be some form of limit so the residents can at least have some peace of mind.
@@emilchandran546 The solution is that they should not be able to fly at night under any circumstances if the field is within X distance of residential space. Case closed, hands down it should be illegal. Like Wade said, this school opened AFTER residents had lived there for decades. Those residents accepted that the airport would be there, but they did not accept that it would operate a 24/7 training school which began operation only semi-recently. Training schools should only be able to operate at night if they are built BEFORE housing, grandfathered in, or are not flying over already having existed residential property. Also realtors should lose their licenses after a SINGLE strike for not disclosing the existence of a flight school like this. Absolutely permanent ban from ever acting as a realtor again without chance of appeal.
I use to live near an airport. It was still a decent drive away, maybe 5-10km. At one point about 15 years ago the city complained that the airport was allowing planes (like 747s) come in too low to the houses. The airport in return, changed their runways to allow for planes to come in at a different angle away from houses. It stayed that way for 5 years and now they fly in lower and more frequently than before, the airport has even expanded to allow more runways that make it possible to fly over the city neighborhoods. I lived next to a noisy railroad track that was quieter.
I lived half a city block away from a train junction station. It would be noisy if trying to talk outside, but you get used to it. Mainly because the trains had a rhythmic hum to it. Honestly, after moving away I couldn't sleep because the trains had become ingrained ASMR. I miss the trains
TLDR: Cars are louder and more frequent than trains. Given the choice between living next to a busy road or right next to a suburban railway, I chose trains. 90% of the traffic is electric trains and is near silent. Traffic...does...not...stop. 2am traffic. Oh and when they decided to plane the surface flat. At night. And beep horns when the truck or equipment had to stop... They must have forgotten the 2-ways at the depot.
My mate got his pilots licence up there, part of the training they do are go arounds where they make a landing aproach and then power out to come around and do it again which is probably what they're doing on those loops, so not only do you have the constant drone of the planes overhead, but they're doing landings and getting close to houses every few minutes...
They're called circuits, they're basically the first thing you do as a learner, it teaches you about all the different areas of a landing and taking off plane. i.e. you're flying from the gold coast to parafield, you need to know how to join the landing circuit. They tend to do touch and gos, as it allows you to actually practice landing, and instead of stopping after landing, you then power out after you've stabilised the landing, and do another circuit.
@@Crazy___Ginger a circuit by definition has to have one leg over the runway and another leg parallel to the runway so it's not like it can be done anywhere else. The stupid is starting a flight school in an airport in in the middle of the city. Usually they're done on small airports in the middle of nowhere.
As someone who is trying to move away due to a local skydiving company polluting the town with noise like 9 hoursa day, I feel this video and completely understand.
12:24 is my energy. I had to replay this like 3 times, I was dying of laughter! Thank you for making this content and I hope your move continues to go well!
technically, it's a side side hustle channel, since dankmus was the first channel Wade had iirc, but it doesn't matter cus it still shows how much of a legendary content creator our lovely nugget and his nugget long dog can be
I grew up next to Hill Airforce Base and the sound of those fighter jets flying directly over our house was so. Loud!! It didn't help that there were also traintacks just a few blocks west, so I got to enjoy the passing freight trains, too!
I think above all I feel really bad for the residents there tbh, you had to ability to move which is fantastic. The local government however seems to not really care about the fumes or noise pollution for the residents there, and those do both genuinely impact health! Shame the government put money before people :(
I live near there, you'll get used to it and there's few planes at night so it's fine. There's also a train line next to the airport so there's that too 🤣
I always forget how lovely of a human being you are. Even when you are enraged you still think about all the factors and are more than fair. The Steve Irwin of tech.
Re: "Has airplane engineering peaked and we can't improve this?" Well, no, but also no. When people say "The propeller makes that sound", what they mean is that you're hearing the sound of the blades cutting through the air. It's the _exact same noise_ as a box fan, but louder, since the blades on a prop aren't 10" (25cm), they're something like 3-4ft long (100-130cm). There are insane advancements in aircraft design, engine manufacturing, and the like; but despite propellers getting more and more efficient as time goes on, there's an upper limit to the level of noise reduction available for what is essentially a long stick being slapped against the air.
Man i feel ya. I live near the EAA museum and once a year during their airshow festival thing, I get to hear the sky filled with prop planes as well as any other kind of aeronautical noise you can think of. It's fun to hear a massive ruckus in the sky and look up to see a huge ww2 bomber with 4 gigantic propellers
Or hell remember that Seinfeld episode about the Puerto Rican Parade, yeah turns out that is based on multiple true events the writers had while living in New York because they have so many Parades
As a car guy who enjoys cars loud enough to literally cause career ending hearing damage (Mazda 787b driven by Volker Weidler), there comes a limit. As Weidler would probably say, I love hearing loud cars and revving engines, but not for long enough that I develop sensorineural hearing loss. I live in a town with some car enthusiasts, I coincidentally live next to a mall with a massive empty parking lot and an intersection infamous for attracting enthusiasts, and well occasionally get some ass who will do a few burnouts at 3am. This ends essentially as quickly as it starts, and chances are it won’t effect you much. I also live a few minutes away from a small airport, so we do get some prop plane air traffic. It’s only 1 plane at a time a few times per month but it’s still extremely fucking annoying. Seriously there is no understating how annoying those things are...and I shit y’all not as I’m writing this I hear one starting to approach lmao, the timing actually couldn’t be more perfect if I tried. It’s 1:20 in the morning...
I'm lucky in that at uni we may get a couple prop planes a day flying over and they aren't too bad as they are during the day time (probably flying from farnborough airport or even Dunsfold if that's still open), they are still louder than the aircraft experience in my home town. I live under flight path of Heathrow Aiport's Runway 27 Fucking L. Jets are just so easy to ignore even if they are one every 3-5 minutes and flying extremely low. Hell, I've been 1/2 km from the start of that runway, directly under a landing 747 and that was the only time a jet was louder to my ears than a prop plane lol.
My guy, I feel for you. I live in the city of a famous car auctioning company and their biannual events, so I’m surrounded by car people. On one hand, it’s awesome to basically live in a massive car exhibit; yet, on the other, there’s a nontrivial amount of drag racers and there are few people who race their choppers up the main road at 3 am. Every. Night. At least the three small airports whose flight paths I live directly under have merciful operating times. So after I’ve been jostled awake by someone’s infernal beast of burden, I’ll be sure that someone prevent me from falling asleep in the middle of the day.
When you think about it, it makes sense the prop planes are so much louder. Jet engines are entirely contained in the shroud, and most of the air that's carrying the sound is getting blasted out the back of the engine at a few hundred kilometers per hour, meaning most of the sound gets directed straight back and not toward the ground. Props, on the other hand, are completely open, and the air coming out of them isn't going nearly as fast, meaning that the sound gets to freely travel wherever it likes.
Dude I've been watching this channel for a while, it's become a new favorite. I initially had a sneaking suspicion but then thought "no I must be racist towards Australians, they can't all sound the same" that this was Dankpods. I'm probably more than a dozen videos in. You mentioned drumming in this video and I just thought "no way this has to be him", and sure enough I look under the description and there's dankpods lmao. Great channel DP.
I grew up near an Interstate Highway in the US, especially in the winter when sound travels further, it always generates a constant and quiet roar, and I love it. It's comforting white noise to me, and where Im buying a house is even closer, which is no problem to me. But the planes, I couldn't imagine that. Inconsistent, obnoxiously loud, even shaking the building occasionally. Like for me, once in a great while some C-17s will fly directly over the house, at night, at low altitude, doing manual navigation exercises (yes, following road maps in a C-17). Rattles the whole house and shakes you out of bed. It's super cool, but that's because it's rare. If it was every day and night, you probably couldn't pay me to live here any longer.
I live in Mawson Lakes and am right next to the runways. I've become so accustomed to the engine noise that it was odd hearing nothing during the start of the pandemic. I actually don't the plane engines at all, regardless of the time. We've lived under it for over seven years and it doesn't bother us. I can understand the annoyance for others however.
To be honest unless they are jets, you don't actually hear engine noise, but propeller noise instead. That's why it can't be silenced- you can't just put a muffler on them like you can on an engine.
@@mataskart9894 There's ducted propellers and whatnot, but that's a different kind of plane and costs more. The loudness is a legitimately inescapable piece of engineering for planes of that size.
That prop noise is SO damn relatable to me it's insane, I also live next to a small airport that's mainly used for small planes/props, but thankfully at least over here they only take off land every few HOURS, not constantly, so the noise is 100% tolerable
I feel your pain, bro. I live by an “international” airport with anything from prop engines to screaming jets. Fun when you’re in the middle of something and you have to stop just so you can hold onto whatever brain matter you have. It is fun seeing the different kinds of planes coming from out of there from time to time tho, and the presidential and congressional jets like to practice out of it
When you live on a major road, you do literally start to block it out as white noise because its so reliable and consistent, and isnt an abrasive noise. Highways are a different story but I'll leave my hatred of NA-style city design for another time. Prop planes however, are impossible to drown out as white noise. Its an irritating, grating noise that is louder than any natural noise. I grew up extremely rural, so moving to a major street in a large city took adjusting. But the thing is, even on the busiest days I can sit in my back yard, which is not more than 30 meters from the road I'd say, with no sound barriers whatsoever, and the wind through the leaves and the birds chirping are more at the forefront than the cars. In my hometown, which ironically was near a common flight path to the city I now live in, any time a prop plane flew over it was practically deafening in comparison to the gentle ambience of a rural farm outside harvesting or sewing season.
Just mean it's a personal matter, depends on everyone. I can't get used to a vacuum and church bells either, and those are short but regular noises. Regularity is the key here I think.
I thought I had it bad near a US airbase (I'm in the UK). Even when they try out their big boys it at least passes quickly. Your ears have my condolences. Glad you've escaped!
I love how the planes doing laps just sounds like some indie horror game all the time. When there are seven planes it sounds like the menu theme from Iron Lung. No seriously.
I feel your pain main. I live about two blocks from an active railroad and in a town with a massive army base. If it isn't trains it's helicopters, and if it isn't either of those things it's the army blowing shit up in the middle of the night.
What's crazy is the fact that the government forces landlords to give people free rent with section 8 but won't give up their city land and move their shit to the country and let people live on their land for free.
@@DJ_Moosterno, lmao. Section 8 pays 30-60% of rent for people with untenably low income below the poverty line, but only in special low income housing, and only if they meet certain requirements and fill out unending forms. It's basically a second full time job for the disabled and impoverished to get some help with rent in very basic efficiency or 1br apartments.
2:58 basically the way pilots initially learn to fly is landing and taking off again, by approaching for a landing, touching the ground, and taking off again, then flying around a “traffic pattern”, lining up for an approach, and repeating. The laps that you’re talking about are a fixed height and distance from the airport, so pilots sort of have to follow those paths. An airfield near me has a no fly area that you have to avoid because the locals complained but unfortunately your government seems to not really care. The issue with trainer aircraft is that as well as mostly being the Fiat 126s of the sky, it’s the propellor, not the engine that makes the noise, so the noise persists regardless of improvements in technology, whereas jets can keep getting quieter. Sadly, being a GA pilot is either the hobby of the rich or something that has to happen in order to train to fly airliners for a job, and as long as people can be convinced that nothing will change, nothing will. That turned into a massive essay but I’m still going to post it
I'm not an expert on anything but I feel like they could probably set up an airfield outside the city that they could practice on, and restrict the main airfield to landing and taking off only. They wouldn't need the full facilities of an airfield since it's only for practicing touching down and taking off again, so it wouldn't need to refuel or service planes outside of occasional emergencies, so it'd be cheaper than just building an entirely new one. Of course, it still costs money, so I'm sure politicians would still say "no"
Cant the fly school just build another airfield out in the desert, where no one lives and they cant disturb anyone. But here it seems to be a problem of government not caring, because they could mandate the fligth school do something.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ so that’s theoretically possible but realistically impractical - if you want to spend an hour doing patterns, you don’t want to spend 15 minutes of that flying to/from the airport you’re doing it at
You know, it's not like there aren't vast, uninhabited areas of land in Australia left and right. I'm sure the cost of having to drive a few miles outside are nothing compared to actually flying planes. Or having the fuel trucks drive a little longer until they can drop their stuff.
As a pilot in training, here in states we have "training air space" it's way out in the middle of no where more often then not over fields, it is picked specially for this purpose. It is so you can go as low or as high as you want and not bug anyone.
Ive had migraines my whole life and they're no joke. Even a little one can make me just so tired and nauseous. And if you never used to get them and start having them the levels of pain is absolutely insane. Glad you got a better warehouse and I cannot wait to see the content that'll come out of it. And I'm really starting to consider subbing to the Patreon so I can be one of those stinky names too
I’m especially light sensitive more than anything else when I have any severity of migraine, so I regularly wear my sunglasses indoors. I’m fairly certain, other than my friends, that everyone thinks I’m just hungover. Because, god I look like it. Exhausted, glued to a cup of coffee, and ready to kill or die. My old roommate basically limped into my room with a migraine-she had never had one, and we still don’t know what triggered it-for help. I’ve gotten used to them since I was 8 that I forgot how awful the first one is. Truly I would not wish anyone a migraine.
@@glass.hammer I usually just sit in a dark room and put something cold on my forehead and it doesn't get rid of it by any means but it makes it less sufferable while I'm trying to get rid of it lol
Yup, the worst part of a migraine is when you feel it coming on and you just know, your day is over. You'll have to now lie down in a dark and quiet room until you hopefully fall asleep, because you can't focus on anything and you can't do any task properly. And if you do fall asleep, your sleeping pattern is ruined and you have to take a few days to just get it on track again. Migraines are the worst.
@@gownerjones you just have to hope and pray that you cought it in time and that the medicine will work in time. Then it gets to like 2 hours later and it's way worse and like you said, just your day ruined at that point lol
@@liamturner6424 When I have a normal headache, I can take ibuprofen and it usually goes away. But nothing has ever worked on a migraine for me. My doctor prescribed triptanes which also didn't help. The only thing that heals a migraine is sleep for me. Sometimes I get painless migraines though. I just get very intense aura that makes me think I'm going blind. Also a lot of fun but thankfully usually over in half an hour.
I live out in the middle of a bunch of cotton fields and we get crop dusters with that kind of noise. That only goes on for a couple hours, tops, and happens a whopping twice a year. I cannot fathom having to hear that all day and night, nonstop. Holy shit.
I grew up near an air base, and got used to the sound of F15s taking off all day long, and during the night when night flying was scheduled. We lived in a valley, so when they were on afterburner, the sound reverberated off of the hills and would literally shake windows. You get used to it. And I ended up joining the Air Force, working on F15s
Same here, grew up near an air base. After a while you just stop noticing, hell even the bomb blasts don't register unless it's one of the really big lads that shakes the walls.
4:05 Sounds like a damn Viking tribe trying to send their dead commander into the afterlife... Sure, it sounds cool, once, but after a few months your brain starts saying "Well there goes another Viking to the afterlife again, *Grrrrr* "!
Well it's absolutely fine to love flying, just as long as it's doesn't harm people. I know not everywhere is the same but around where I live all recreational flying is done over empty plots of desert, and I mean that's like 90% of Australia.
I'm confused why the engines have to be that loud. They're not even high performance engines. Just crude old designs that have been approved and hard to replace I guess. I'm quite sure even a proportionally quieter engine but still loud would have a great benefit to the surrounding people.
@@Yourconradinarms if you pause at 9:18 these are the routs they do im just thinking (make 2 long routes so it isn't short so one plane can't noise bomb you after the first one is leaving, thats near the least amount of people and just alternate between routes better yet get half the trainies to do one or the other and just anternate the times they leave so they don't come back at the same time for fuel)
I live horizontal to an airport runway, and as an aviation enthusiast I don't mind the noise, and in fact love sitting outside and watching the planes, but, from having experienced a Cessna 172 in the passenger seat, I could not stand this noise 24/7 from multiple planes at. A. Time. New warehouse looks promising though!
I know you're suffering. I've lived by airports, train stations, hospitals/fire stations. The train station was oddly the quietest one out of the bunch. You'd get a rumble and maybe the screech of brakes, but it was never late at night. With the exception of the bi-monthly train coming down from up North that must have been from World War 2 and sounded like a battalion. They ended up rescheduling the arrival time of that since so many people complained. Unless they were new the fire station / hospitals didn't kick on their Sirens until they're a lot further down the road. We actually had a drinking game with a few of my roommates at the time on how often we hear a siren. The airport was the worst offender since when it was originally built it was designed for smaller aircraft. So the noise pollution wasn't as big and thus the neighborhood built itself around it. Then at some point in the late eighties or nineties it became a sort of Mini hub for larger/ recreational planes.
Your experience with trains and mine are completely different, you must've lived near a modern station, I use to leave near a old rural station, old rural homes aren't really built the best so when a train comes it shakes, but also since it's the middle of nowhere that means less people will complain, according to NYS, so there was times at about 11 PM to the latest I ever seen was 1 AM when a train will come and wake me up
you should really use those recordings of the plane engines to make some horrific soundscape track where it's just that and dissonant chords for an hour, call it warehouse woes or something
That's rough. As an instructor I get why they turn so many laps, landing practice is important for private pilot students, but usually when we have training airports they're selected to be far enough away from residential areas or have special noise abatement procedures. It really sucks all around, but I hope the new location works out for you. PS, you should get some flying time in, its such a great hobby/career/passion!
@Keegan. There are some controls over parts of the main residential areas, nothing over the industrial areas. The city grew around the airport The major flight school is the main problem. As Dankpods said, gov likes that sweet sweet cash. Mawson Lakes is only a new suburb too.
I've never really have had to think about this because I'm mostly indoors, but I feel this. I live about 5 miles away from an airfield and in the summer, it gets bumping. I mean, it could be worse, but not to the extent shown in this video. Soz to Dank and people in Adelaide that have to go through this.
It’s stories like this that should remind everyone that governments, law enforcement, corporations, or anyone with such authority are not your friend. Sure, they may say they have your best interests at heart, but as soon as that stops being convenient to them, they act like you were never there.
Fascinating. I live near a small airport with a flight school attached to it. They also do laps but got a schedule and are forbidden to fly above residential from 21:30 to 6 in the morning. But permanent laps over residential are also forbidden, 2 or 3 is maximum and then they land or leave.
Flight schools are going to switch to electric trainers soon. They are much quieter and don't need long range duration. The prop will still make noise but it's not as bad.Piston planes also run on leaded fuel which is harmful to everyone that lives there. I live near the biggest natiional flight school in my country. I don't mind the noise myself but I grew up with this and worked as an aircraft technician for 20 years.
Ive lived in Salisbury all my life and never really taken much note to the constant planes going over my house, probably due to growing up with it. Found it funny that one of the clips you were showing had a plane going over and at the same time i could hear one outside from Parafield airport lmao.
The "the airport was here first" argument is absolute bullshit. My grandparents lived in Para Hills in the 80s-90s, and air traffic was nothing like this, it was just standard small airport stuff - a wide variety of planes going by at irregular intervals. Most residents found it kind of interesting, because the sheer variety of single prop / twin prop / vintage planes that used Parafield Airport. Watching biplanes fly over as a kid was pretty rad.
The population aren't the ones using the airfield, they use Adelaide Airport. The noise from Parafield is almost exclusively from the flying school, and I assure you that the people who can afford to go for a pilots' license probably aren't living in the Northern suburbs.
@Casper's Studio That's a facile argument. The airport and the homeowners both have joint interest in the area, and it's normal for local governance to establish reasonable boundaries for what is acceptable for all parties. The much larger Adelaide Airport has curfews and restrictions in place for this very reason, as do most airports that overfly residential zones. Continuous, all-day flyovers by low-flying prop trainers would not be considered reasonable by most people.
I feel this whole video in my soul. I like less than half a mile from a major industrial railway. Ever heard a train horn at 6am? That's how I get up for work! Trains are impossible to drown out. It's grating, loud, booming noise and louder than anything natural. Heavy ones are FELT before you hear them. I get a weekly mini earthquake.
I feel your pain man. I use to live right next to an airport... Thinking back on it that's probably why rent was slightly cheaper than other places. I just always had a fan running and as many layers of foam and curtains on the window as I could get. Made it slightly better. If it gets real bad throw on a thunderstorm sleep sounds vid from the tube.
Hey Wade, pilot here (of the Freedom Eagle variety). Those look to be Diamond DV/DA-20s and 40s, which are Diesel (so they run on Jet-A instead of Avgas) and combined with a thick prop-bite they are LOUD. Those laps are called "patterns", and (at least here in the USA) they are essential to flight training. Trust me, it ain't fun flying with 10 others in the pattern (when it's clear it's air-time). I learned to fly in rural Texas, where there was no one to be bothered, but I can certainly see how that could get annoying. Unfortunately most of those planes (if the rules are similar to the USA given that Australia is also under the jurisdiction of ICAO) cant fly the fancy long routes as it seems they are newbies flying VFR instead of IFR. A tiny bit of IFR time is required for the pilot's license in the USA, and I can tell ya there's a LOT going on in those routes that these pilots aren't ready for. Glad you could find a new place tho! I'm looking forward to seeing what kinds of nuggets come and go from there. At the end of the day, this is all probably Frank's fault. How dare she not use her powers on the city council to end the madness. (some snakes just want to watch the world burn)
As a matter of fact I think you have this completely backwards. Slower turning blades are quieter. The pitch of the blade doesn't have that much of an impact. It's why warbirds sound so loud when they pass directly past you, when you're in line with the propeller arc, even though they're not super sonic they're still trans-sonic at the tips and there is the beginnings of a supersonic shockwave being formed. On the other hand for light planes the most sound you hear is from the engine which typically doesn't have a muffler. You sometimes see planes like glider tugs equipped with large muffler assemblies because the engine is the most significant cause of sound.
I feel your pain believe me. We on Anglesey in North Wales had a very similar problem. but it wasn't an small airport no, no, no it was the RAF. They train pilots up to fly Hawks which were loud but very few fly overhead a day. This was up until around 2017 I think. Then they started using propellor planes to train in. They were more frequent and loud. So after local newspaper coverage and hundreds of complaints, what do you think the RAF did? No your wrong, they explained the reason for the planes, they apologised for the noise and issues it caused. Then said they were working on a way to make them quieter. All they asked was a bit of time and patience to fix the noise issues. Now they nearly never fly over anymore and if they do there is only one or two that do. RAF done good.
i feel you man, i live near a military base and im always hearing plane noises. its only worth it for the rare sight of a fighter jet, but normally its just cargo planes and shit like that
Turboprop, regular, or turbofan? I'll give a hint, you can't tell the difference between a turboprop and a regular piston engine when its in the air. Example: I'm quite certain there aren't any cargo aircraft in military service in the western world that run with regular piston engines, as they only use turboprops or turbofans. Why? they have a fully constant power stream, and are becoming better and quieter each year. Hell, both run the exact same basic principle, the difference being what makes the plane move! (Turbofans use hothot gas to _push_ the plane forwards, while turboprops use the hothot gas to spin a turbine connected to a propellor that _pulls_ both air into the engine and the aircraft itself forwards.) Example of Turboprops in service in western countries: the C-130 Hercules, and its *_extremely similar_* European-designed counterpart, the Airbus A400 Atlas.
@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 I live in Brazil and the Air Force here uses the C-130, the P3 Orion and the new C-390 Millenium. the C-390 is jet powered but i dont know exacly what type of engine the P3 uses, i imagine it is a Turbo Prop like the Hercules. as for the Fighter jet it is currently the F-5 but it is being replaced by the F-39 Gripen and to top all these planes flying above my home there is a training airport next too, so there are some little Cessnas sometimes, but the majority of the noise are from the big cargo planes lol
I used to live 5 miles down range of a major metro airport approach runway (so passenger jets near constantly). I've lived half a block from a freight train crossing that they are mandated to blow their horn every time they use it (fun when you're trying to sleep!). My current house has single-engine planes flying a hundred feet over my house as it's a half-mile away from the approach path (un-towered private airport with only a single runway, 1-2 planes an hour max THANK DOG). I completely understand your pain. (jet noise is better than prop noise)
Sad to see the old warehouse go but I hope to stumble into you in my office one day again! (Yeah I'm that rando) Love what you and James are doing and can't wait to see the new studio!
Man I feel you. My house was half a mile at most from a small airport. And before that I lived 8 miles from O’Hare international airport. Two towns over was trying to get the flight paths changed. Suffice to say, the home near O’Hare was better because the planes where already high enough to where it’s not that distracting. The one house by a small airport felt like it was barely 100 feet off the ground.
I grew up on a marine corps air station, all the engine noise was kind of nostalgic to me. I'm more accustomed to jet engines and turbo props, but after so long engine noise is just a background noise we grew to live with.
i used to live somewhere with endless car/loud bass-y music noises in the parking lots and i ended up buying some of the sony XM4s because of it, and one of your videos helped me make that decision, and those headphones saved my life. i ended up moving and i'm closer to a major airport and that noise bothers me far less than the loud bass-y music, but goddamn, i feel your pain. glad you're able to fuck off to a (hopefully) better place.
"7 plane day" will go down as the first time in history a drummer was so annoyed by neighbors they decided to move.
Perfect
Airports are terrible neighbors, especially ones with flight schools. Hint: If you can read the designation on a 1-engine plane, it's probably flying under the minimum height. They do this all the time near my mom's place, it's horribly loud. In the florida boondocks, I'm surprised people don't shoot at them.
@@brianwelch1579 knowing how strong planes are, I don't doubt there have taken pot shots at them
As a plane fan myself… Agreed
As a pilot all I can say is there's a reason we wear Bose noise-cancelling headphones in cockpit
From the mouth of Dank... "Fuck off".
Hahaha, go put some Sony noise-cancelling propellers on your planes, ya dingus's.
this starts over my house, I get a radio to ask the piloits derectily to cut it out we're trying to fucking Sleep! than explane that if your alllowed to fill my air with your noise pollution where I have to hear it, I can fill yours with mine!
@@kalsaphixyasamon1507 Uhhhhh that’s illegal
@@kalsaphixyasamon1507 illegal hand radio operation mate, the FCC will be on ya mate
@@whyputname "you cant do that its illegal 🤓"
"it can't be that bad, can it?"
_ten minutes later_
"I'm honestly shocked at how bad it is, like every additional layer of badness was a multiplier, I'm pretty sure in France they would have thrown molotov's"
Here in America, we'd start shooting at them before the government would do anything useful lol.
France has it right on a lot of things.
I can't believe no one has tried to burn this airport down yet.
French revolution 2: electric booglaloo
@@matejkufa8652 France dose this kinda thing pretty regularly. We could really learn from their book.
I never thought that 7 flying lawnmowers would be my idea of hell, but here we are.
It'll only get worse there's so many new pilots
20 flying lawnmowers?
@@soap_1 feck it why not half of all rich people in Australia? I mean the locals can just move anyways so it's fine right... Right?
"7 flying lawn mowers" is quote of the year as far as I'm concerned.
as someone who had to deal with the sound of police helicopters flying around in laps before i can confirm it's utter torture
haha as soon as you said "They do flight training there!" I was like "Oh god, they're just gonna do laps over his head all day"
What was the problem with doing it over the wilderness lol, it’s not like Australia is short on that
@@kennorcott7074 The wilderness laps are easy. Practicing flying in traffic, plus airport touch and goes to practice landings...
@@kennorcott7074 sunk cost fallacy and investors are my guess, they've spent so much money and getting so much money for having the airfield running and being used as a school because it's "close" enough for people to drive to. There are a few more small runways and airfields where they do glider launches but they're more than an hour away, and they can't have the people who are paying several thousands of dollars to either learn be so inconvenienced
@@kennorcott7074 you gotta do 3 solo take offs and landings at a airfield to get ya liscense thats why
@@kennorcott7074 You want to speen 100 hours comuting to the test aka riding along to spend 500 hours doing the test?
I live in a military town in the AZ desert in the US. When the jets take off it’s loud, but they beeline for the uninhabited desert so they can scream across the sky without miffing anybody. The military base actually put restrictions on any private prop planes that states they cannot fly over residential areas due to complaints.
where i live there is a air force base and its the same, you usually like 7 a week for about 30 seconds each
the one thing the US is good at.. knowing about noise complaints
In fairness, I can actually see why the US government would be more strict about not flying planes in residential areas.
"No flying over residential areas by order of United States Air Force" with a silhouette of a Sidewinder.
I find it ridiculous how this tiny little local airport has no time restrictions. Even a giant international airport like London Heathrow has time restrictions and it's by far more important and significant than this little airport
They don't even need time restrictions, really. Just limited routes and a mandate to never do lap above residential areas. I mean are they really allowed to inconvenience that many people for the sake of... I'm guessing fuel savings from now having to fly further away? Jesus.
The US airforce base i live near has time restrictions
@@spicemint80 some how the aussie gov cares less than the U.S. Thats insane.
@@Yodah97 the 'laps' are called "the pattern". It's the most important thing student pilots practice, because it's how traffic around an airport is handled.
Maybe they're exploiting a legal loophole in South Australia's state laws, I don't know, what I know is that it should be illegal to operate an airport without time restrictions, be it a commercial airport, a recreational airport or a piloting school airport.
As someone who may be shopping for a home someday I appreciate that you've brought this to my attention. The new space is sick!
"may" "someday"
Call me kooky, but to me the sounds from those planes are relaxing. I actually got drowsy watching this vid. I could take a great nap in a hammock out there....err.... on second thought, I meant, take a great nap here in the states. Cause with my luck, i could be a couple of km inland and still die from some dingo-doggo brushing up against my arm, with some sorta Irukandji or Chironex-Fleckeri stuck to it's fur. {0.o}
Wife and I just bought a house, Happens to be right under the landing approach for our regional airport. Honestly, I'm surprised how not bad it has been.
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT yeah uh… the planes fly lower there making massive noise which can hurt your ears. Not great
@@ShockingPikachu "massive noise" LOL!! Umm....not even close. You have no idea young-one, what loud is. 🤣 💀🤪
I grew up a mile away from a small Airport where most of the county's low-flying ww2 crop-dusters were housed. Those lil planes flyin' over Wade's old place are rather quaint in their noise pollution.
Bro, this guy can spend 13 whole minutes talking about leaving his garage and make it entertaining, love the content man
I'll be doing laps in this area in flight simulator in honor of the warehouse. Dankspeed.
With how Wade yelled "SEVEN" at 4:01, you know he's having none of it anymore. Not even cheap nuggets get him this riled up.
Lmaoooo that got a laugh out of me 😂
especially considering from that shot, theres 8 planes in the air. uh oh.
Not Even Bruce Jr.'s Battery Issues Get Wade That Riled Up?!
SEVEN
I record sound for this tv show that puts people in an apartment complex and documents how they live together. Last season we were in San Diego… literally this exact thing happened to us, but in addition to the noisy teaching planes we had to deal with all the rich doctors who have replica biplanes and ww2 reproductions. Every time we tried to film outside it sounded like a ww2 air raid and just for fun, every once in a while the military base up the road would do ultra low fly bys. Anything that is full spectrum noise is near impossible to filter out, but consistent stuff like AC or even big planes are fine.
TLDR: as some one who basically gets paid to determine if a location is too loud to film at, always check the flight paths before booking a location.
Well Wade, this video has instilled me a deep fear of noise pollution that is certain to help me avoid renting anywhere near an airport in the future. I appreciate you telling us about it.
agreed!
Or around Air Force bases. In Colorado Springs where I’m at I hear jets screaming during the day and planes coming thro to the local airport often.
Most airports aren't that bad if you're a good bit away. You'll get the passing plane occasionally and rarely a larger plane will fly lower than normal and be loud but it's a minute or two of noise max. Just avoid training centers and stay a good distance away and you'll be good.
Oh and don't ever live near one that has frequent helicopter landings. Helicopters are loud as fuck when above you. Although that's easier to get used to since it isn't constantly above you like those assholes were. (Australia is giant and there's plenty of better areas to train so they're all assholes)
@@719Flowers Same here, except Hill Air Force in Utah. From what I've heard they're not supposed to break the sound barrier over the valley. Does that stop them? No. No it doesn't.
My parents bought a house directly in line of the landing strip of the only international airport in the state
I live somewhere where there's an airport that mostly just does recreational stuff and I can assure you, it's not so bad when it's like, every once and a while.
It's actually kinda nice, breaks up the monotony.
What you've got though? Not nice. Very un-nice. Mega not nice. Some would even say *bad.*
I might even be one to go as far to say, honestly, imho, just a _tad_ *unethical*
Same, I used to live under the approach path of a regional airport and really enjoyed seeking the different aircraft being an avgeek my self.
But this would be incredibly annoying. This is clearly a big school churning out as many training hours as possible.
I've live near a mostly recreational airport, too, and hard agree. When it's just a few people occasionally coming and going for fun or short personal trips, it was actually nice, means that the usually dead silent neighborhood felt like it had a bit of life. But after 2008, a training company briefly bought it out and it was *hell*. Not as bad as what he had, though, because holy shit those planes are flying low. Thankfully, only a year later, the city got fed up with them and made them stop. Eventually, the company cut their losses when the lobbying wasn't working and sold the place in 2011 and it's mostly recreational again.
same, my neighborhood is next to a city airport, there's some planes now and then (and a couple jets!), but the problem is that mobile data is garbage
I can confirm this, but the plane that coming were jets and oh boy oh boy, they still doing schedule until 7-8pm here. Sometimes kiddos here aiming their toy "airsoft "gun to the direction of the jets lol.
Yep. In my time as a flight instructor, I've done many laps around the pattern. If there's a flight school of any size at an airport, expect there to be nearly constant light aircraft traffic in the pattern. Three planes is nothing, where I worked we often had five or six in the pattern at any time, I even remember having eight. And that was for one runway.
Now, this airport was way out of town, under our pattern was a gun range, a lake, some woods, a swamp, and like ten farm fields. None of that cared about the noise. BTW, most of the noise you hear is actually from the propeller, not the engine. It is *slightly* possible to hush a propeller. Most of the noise is generated at the tip of the blade, where a vortex is formed. Just like a wing, you can reduce the magnitude of that vortex by adding a winglet. On a propeller, they call it a Q-Tip. I've never seen this technology in use on small piston-powered aircraft though, I've only seen it on turboprops.
A partial solution to this would be to construct a runway for touch and go practice far out of town. Australia is even more extreme than the United States, wherein everyone lives in four cities on the coast, and the middle of the continent is inhabited only by Clem the Mule Fucker. Build a practice field out in the middle of nowhere, then blast off, head out there all day, then come back.
I think that's kinda the point, that when the airport was built, it was in the middle of nowhere, but the city has grown. It is pretty inconsiderate of the air school however. In Perth, the main light plane airport is Jandakot, and was once in the middle of nowhere, but now has quite a bit of stuff built up. I dont think every school thats there does this, but I know some of them do fly to other smaller airfields out of town for cutting laps. not sure if its a time of day thing, or individual policy, as it can vary (this is just going of ADS-B data). we also have RAAF Pearce to the north, which is one of the 2 major air force training bases, mainly flying Pilatus PC21's and BAE Hawk 127's. they do most of their exercises out of the city, but I would occasionally see them when I worked up that way. most impressive was a day they were doing formation drills, I think 5 planes doing a pass every hour or so. 5 turboprops in a pack make one hell of a noise.
lol @ Clem the Mule Fucker. Yep, that's Australia.
@@arjovenzia I understand that cities grow but... The airport was there first and they're inconsiderate? They cant exactly just up and go. Seems like a zoning issue, we hate it too. Flying over neighborhood after neighborhood without an out makes just about everyone uncomfortable.
@@calebingraham5179 what you just said is the equivalent of backhanding someone and saying "Why'd you put your face in the way of my hand? Now my fingies hurt ):”
@@calebingraham5179 they. can. up and go. and its inconsiderate because it WAS a main airfield before the city expanded and then shut down before that happend. it only began doing this after the city already expanded and houses were built so yes it is incredibly inconsiderate because they decided to take an old defunct airfield that hadnt seen significant use for decades and has since had a residential area built around it, and decided not only would they start 24/7 classes that start incredibly early and end late IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA they would DO LAPS THAT WOULD CAUSE CONSTANT SOUND POLLUTION FOR HOURS ON END IN A SINGLE AREA. There were a million different things that could've happened to make this a non issue and they decided to do everything they could to be as much of a public disturbance as possible and that is not okay
As someone who lives under the flight path for an airport that hosts one of the biggest flight schools in Canada, I feel this. I've lived here 15 years and I can tell what kind of engine each plane is using down to whether its turbocharged or not.
You can turbocharge a plane?
@@xXphantom9030Xx Yes. Many of them are piston engines after all.
@@xXphantom9030Xx many do turbo charge because they need all the air for the engine.
@@xXphantom9030Xx you can even throw the engine away and pump the fuel straight into the turbo charger 😆
@@xXphantom9030Xx a lot of planes have forced induction (turbochargers or superchargers)
The Warehouse will be missed dearly, goodbye sweet dingus, you kept the nuggets safe for so, so long. Cheers mate.
Had you ever think of investing in some AA guns? I heard they are really effective at making slow aircraft make no noise after a short amount of time.
@@hhs_leviathan Styropyro has some real bangers you can cook up with a bit of circuit work.
Damn the poor guy’s flying up there getting shot out of the sky. Why not build something like the Fuhrerbunker. I remember Hitler was complaining about the noise.
Loudest thing I lived near was a train station when I was a kid. Trains were only an hourly or half-hourly nuisance. They came and went at night, but never at indecent hours, and were something I got used to. (The vibrations they caused were actually somewhat comforting while I was sleeping.)
I lived in Japan for awhile as an adult, and one morning feeling similar vibrations while sleeping and felt comforted. Then I snapped awake because I forgot I wasn't near that train station. There was an earthquake going on. XD
I had this experience while I lived in the “””suburbs””” of Istanbul. The metro line was old and loud, but never unreasonably so. And then I lived in a college town that has an Amtrak station with rails that are also used for import/export. 3 am. Every day. 3 AM. I’d get to sleep around 2 after slaving away at a hot laptop and then be immediately awoken by that bastard. And if I got to bed early?? Awoken still and then can’t get back to sleep. I don’t know how the drug dealers under the bridge could stand it.
Yeah, our local train is just a few streets down (maybe like, 20 minute walk) and hearing it is basically like someone playing the world's most annoying one-note tuba outside the window. FORTUNATELY its just a cargo train so it doesn't come by constantly, but it does come by at 2 and 6 in the morning often enough that it drives me sightly insane
I went to a house once that had one of the four main train tracks of the country exactly across the street. They would usually be fast trains that would woosh past at 200km/h, and the sound lasted for 5 seconds.However every night the cargo train came along. 1 minute of rattling and squeaking from the old freight cars. Other than that it wasn't annoying.
Really depends on how much the government cares about it's citizens and how strictly it mandates mainaining trains and tracks to keep them quiet.
Cargo trains here really are only loud when there is a flat spot on a car, otherwise it's just slightly louder than a faster four lane road, with the difference that there aren't that many cargo trains in the first place
in Montana I lived near a train line and could feel the rumbling at night. It was soothing. Now living in Japan about the same distance from a commuter train line and can't feel anything but I can hear the crossing signal. Also soothing.
props doing non-stop touch-and-gos.... not soothing.
Well I’m sad to see the old warehouse go buuut I’m so happy the drum dungeon is there lol. The amount of effort you put in to make your channels and the stream great is nothing short of amazing. Thank you so much for entertaining us and hopefully we can have a peaceful future at the new place!!
I just couldn’t imagine. I work as an IT Support Analyst for a company that services commercial planes and my office blocks out noise from even the military sonic jets. If I heard that on a constant basis like you do (or as a resident) I’d definitely be raising hell for it. So glad you got a better location and warehouse though!
I find it absolutely entertaining that even while he's genuinely upset and ranting about a subject almost completely unrelated to the channel, that's it's still a hilarious video while making aware of the absolute garbage some people are allowed to do.
It's how it works. If you choose to live/work near an airport you should expect a lot of noise. The airport was already there when he moved.
@@v-m-a-p but then why should they be allowed to have that much going on
Lol the noise of the tiny plane engine finally able to broke his sanity instead of dirty cheap buds 😂😂
How dare they fly at an airport!!!!
Found the NIMBY
ive never seen a man so devoid of joy as your friend stepping into work hearing those planes
Well lads, it was nice knowing the warehouse.
History was made in there, memories are left.
So long perfect warehouse too close to an airport.
Onya Wade! Glad to help ya out! Hit me up for that beer sometime!
GOAT
I live next to a hospital. The constant helicopter noise was not anticipated, let alone the art building next door doing weird stuff in the summer. But the helicopters scaring the shit out of me at 2am flying directly over my house, even lower than a prop plan, def makes me want to move a lot sooner than I thought I would. I feel ya.
Frank has it figured out. He ain't got ears.
I swear he says frank is a she in one of the videos. Still, lucky reptile not having them sensitive hearing holes.
Frank is a girl.
Like "Frankie" but he just calls her Frank
@@dustinbrueggemann1875 yes Frank is a girl
Fish ears
Looking it up - Parafield is the third-busiest airport in Australia by numbers of aircraft with over 200,000 to 300,000 per year. Not all that far off from the international airport in Sydney. Holy nuts.
Funnily enough, its wikipedia page doesn't mention the noise complaints...
Should probably add some cited articles to the article
Something that benefits our users, scratch that. Continuing rewrite source as we speak - Wikipedia
tbf its a 4 runway hellscape..... what do you expect..... the real question is who let a flight school buy an airport that big anmd even more so how did a flight school buy an airport that big.
@@Rocker-1234 it’s a chinese flight school, they seem like they’d have a ton of money
@@bandombeviews6035 ooooohhhh, and its SA, so the chinese corruption literally answers everything
Good on you for pointing out the lead issues, too! I feel like governments love to tell people to just toughen up when it's mental strain, but lead has so many _demonstrable negative effects_ that it feels like an angle of attack that might get more attention.
The problem is that most planes are in the region of 50 years old, and have the same type of engine that uses leaded petrol as most cars of the time. Whilst cars obviously get scrapped at younger ages and so leaded petrol can be phased out, this sort of thing just doesn’t happen with aviation, unfortunately.
@@Jeagles airplanes require so much maintenance as they age heavily. My dad had a Cessna 337 and let’s just say the rear propeller was…problematic. After all of the repair and effectively duct taping the thing together between flights, you’d think it would be more cost effective to retrofit these crafts with newer non-leaded engines. Like, if the US can roll out the “cash for clunkers” program, they can afford to push the EPA to enforce strict regulation (like car emissions testing) and reasonably subsidize modifications. It’s an incredibly small percentage of the population but there are so many small airports in residential areas and there is so much pollution produced by these ancient planes that it does effect people’s health. Like…the Cessna 337 was used for military reconnaissance and firefighting missions…since the 60s.
@@glass.hammer oh absolutely. Unfortunately I doubt any government will be willing to fund the modernisation of old aircraft, and as long as it’s cheaper to just use old engines, that’s what will happen
@@Jeagles Yeah bro, I watched the video, I get that. Unfortunately, someone's hobby should not conflict with an entire town's health.
@@star2705 most flight school traffic (at least here in England) is training to fly commercially. It’s not a hobby for a lot of student pilots. Naturally, this doesn’t change the fact that aviation needs to change, but the situation isn’t as simple as a group of rich kids frivolously pumping out chemtrails over urban areas or anything like that
Its really down to Prop vs Turbine.
Props are super loud because there's fewer blades, so the noise of the propeller blade hitting the air creates loud buffeting. Turbines have multiple, smaller blades arranged in parallel that chop the noise up a bunch and 'smooth' it, also the ducting redirects the noise out the back of the engine for the most part.
Its the same reason helicopters are so damned loud because the blades are basically beating the air into submission, and the buffeting caused by that just....echoes everywhere.
It's also a different type of sound, the jets are extremely loud but they're higher, faster and it's a higher pitch while the props are lower, around for longer and have that awful buzzing noise
Dude, the migraine part hits home for me. I had a noisy upstairs neighbor, and I swear it sounded like an elephant lived upstairs. He just walked around SO LOUDLY. When they moved out, my headaches dissapeared, I got less stressed, more focused, even gained muscle quicker. It's crazy how big of an impact it has and no one I talked to could understand it! "Just wear ear plugs mate, it's fine!"
I feel this. We've got loud DOWNSTAIRS neighbors and really thin floors. The lady down there literally screams at her husband at the top of her lungs all fucking day. We can hear every single word she says. We've all become *noticeably* unhealthier since they moved in. It's the worst.
@@zekenelsons2069 Start typing out every word they say and cryptically sending it to their home mailbox, their work mailbox, and anything else.
“Just do XYZ”
I shouldn’t have to make concessions to be comfortable in my own home
I was in such disbelief that they would allow such noise to happen that I downloaded the app to see for myself what Wade was talking about. Not only was he right about the number of planes, but I watched a replay of Sunday and it was like they chose to do the laps between 11PM-6AM. Not even during the day, like......Of all the times to lap you picked EVERYONE'S BEDTIME!?!
I guess they assumed that if people are sleeping they couldn't hear the planes. Which is stupid because the planes probably keep them from sleeping.
Night flight requirements, have to make sure people don't get disoriented and crash the CRJ when the sun goes down.
I mean that's fair. Pilots do need to be able to fly at night. I'd think they'd choose to not lap around neighborhoods since there are airports further up. They could practice landings at different airports at night and take off back to Parafield since it's only the laps that are the real issue.
I'm not an instructor, but there needs to be some form of limit so the residents can at least have some peace of mind.
@@emilchandran546 The solution is that they should not be able to fly at night under any circumstances if the field is within X distance of residential space. Case closed, hands down it should be illegal. Like Wade said, this school opened AFTER residents had lived there for decades. Those residents accepted that the airport would be there, but they did not accept that it would operate a 24/7 training school which began operation only semi-recently. Training schools should only be able to operate at night if they are built BEFORE housing, grandfathered in, or are not flying over already having existed residential property.
Also realtors should lose their licenses after a SINGLE strike for not disclosing the existence of a flight school like this. Absolutely permanent ban from ever acting as a realtor again without chance of appeal.
Rich people don't give a fuck about others.
this video honestly just made me really upset. great that you were able to move out of there, but man i feel for those who can’t afford to move out.
I mean it's an airport. What do you want? When you buy a house next to an active runway what do you expect?
@@Tetrapharma The flight school opened after the neighborhood was well established is the issue.
I use to live near an airport. It was still a decent drive away, maybe 5-10km. At one point about 15 years ago the city complained that the airport was allowing planes (like 747s) come in too low to the houses. The airport in return, changed their runways to allow for planes to come in at a different angle away from houses.
It stayed that way for 5 years and now they fly in lower and more frequently than before, the airport has even expanded to allow more runways that make it possible to fly over the city neighborhoods.
I lived next to a noisy railroad track that was quieter.
fuck planes, trains are superior in every way
This sounds like O’Hare
I lived half a city block away from a train junction station. It would be noisy if trying to talk outside, but you get used to it. Mainly because the trains had a rhythmic hum to it. Honestly, after moving away I couldn't sleep because the trains had become ingrained ASMR. I miss the trains
"a decent drive"
2 miles
TLDR: Cars are louder and more frequent than trains.
Given the choice between living next to a busy road or right next to a suburban railway, I chose trains. 90% of the traffic is electric trains and is near silent. Traffic...does...not...stop. 2am traffic. Oh and when they decided to plane the surface flat. At night. And beep horns when the truck or equipment had to stop... They must have forgotten the 2-ways at the depot.
My mate got his pilots licence up there, part of the training they do are go arounds where they make a landing aproach and then power out to come around and do it again which is probably what they're doing on those loops, so not only do you have the constant drone of the planes overhead, but they're doing landings and getting close to houses every few minutes...
They're called circuits, they're basically the first thing you do as a learner, it teaches you about all the different areas of a landing and taking off plane. i.e. you're flying from the gold coast to parafield, you need to know how to join the landing circuit. They tend to do touch and gos, as it allows you to actually practice landing, and instead of stopping after landing, you then power out after you've stabilised the landing, and do another circuit.
If they are doing that, why the fuck do it in a residential area. Do it in the middle of nowhere.
@@Crazy___Ginger a circuit by definition has to have one leg over the runway and another leg parallel to the runway so it's not like it can be done anywhere else. The stupid is starting a flight school in an airport in in the middle of the city. Usually they're done on small airports in the middle of nowhere.
As someone who is trying to move away due to a local skydiving company polluting the town with noise like 9 hoursa day, I feel this video and completely understand.
12:24 is my energy. I had to replay this like 3 times, I was dying of laughter!
Thank you for making this content and I hope your move continues to go well!
7 planes sounded cool af at first then fell off faster than Ricciardo's career with Redbull
In time you won't even need "with Redbull" to make this joke work
@@brazilian_oak Had to clarify for the honey badger’s fans lmao
@@WolfPackAlpha-sn2sw yes, these guys are basically dingus at this point
Well he got 2 points this weekend, so that's better than he's been getting otherwise.
wasnt expecting to see this but here we are
The sound the planes make when they overlap is perfect horror game ambience.
It’s messed up because Hong Kong has extremely strict airspace. This causes them to buy flight schools in other countries.
God I hate the Chinese so goddamn much it's unbelievable
This is China's retaliation for us outsourcing everything to them.
Australia is just a chinese colony at this point, makes perfect sense
I just wanna say how mad i am that nobody told me that one of my favourite channels was just a side hussle of another gigantic channel lol
What's his other channel?
@@tom-moroney dankpods
I just realized this wasnt on his dankpods channel
@Random Username *legend
technically, it's a side side hustle channel, since dankmus was the first channel Wade had iirc, but it doesn't matter cus it still shows how much of a legendary content creator our lovely nugget and his nugget long dog can be
I grew up next to Hill Airforce Base and the sound of those fighter jets flying directly over our house was so. Loud!! It didn't help that there were also traintacks just a few blocks west, so I got to enjoy the passing freight trains, too!
I think above all I feel really bad for the residents there tbh, you had to ability to move which is fantastic. The local government however seems to not really care about the fumes or noise pollution for the residents there, and those do both genuinely impact health! Shame the government put money before people :(
if the residents knew it was there before they moved in, they can get stuffed in my opinion
@@mattploij2673 if someone can't bother watching the video before shitting out their comment they can get bent imo
I live near there, you'll get used to it and there's few planes at night so it's fine. There's also a train line next to the airport so there's that too 🤣
@@ryy1704 ONLY a few planes at night? Wow, very good indeed!
@@mattploij2673 You didnt watch the video or what bro
I always forget how lovely of a human being you are. Even when you are enraged you still think about all the factors and are more than fair. The Steve Irwin of tech.
This is the best unintended news reporting on a local problem I have seen, came for the dank, stayed for the doink doink
Re: "Has airplane engineering peaked and we can't improve this?"
Well, no, but also no. When people say "The propeller makes that sound", what they mean is that you're hearing the sound of the blades cutting through the air. It's the _exact same noise_ as a box fan, but louder, since the blades on a prop aren't 10" (25cm), they're something like 3-4ft long (100-130cm). There are insane advancements in aircraft design, engine manufacturing, and the like; but despite propellers getting more and more efficient as time goes on, there's an upper limit to the level of noise reduction available for what is essentially a long stick being slapped against the air.
The lockheed quiet star should be the norm. It can be done it's just a tradeoff of propulsive efficiency vs people's sanity.
@@jagtan13 Jet engines can be plenty quiet, but these are props and the cost difference between jet and prop is uh just a bit big.
Man i feel ya. I live near the EAA museum and once a year during their airshow festival thing, I get to hear the sky filled with prop planes as well as any other kind of aeronautical noise you can think of. It's fun to hear a massive ruckus in the sky and look up to see a huge ww2 bomber with 4 gigantic propellers
Hey thats Oshkosh Wisconsin! Thats one of the biggest airshows on earth. I'm taking my Comanche 400 in this month!
Or hell remember that Seinfeld episode about the Puerto Rican Parade, yeah turns out that is based on multiple true events the writers had while living in New York because they have so many Parades
@@smokingspitfire1197 Subtle Comanche 400 plug, nice plane ;)
@@jadeng1147 One of 78 left flying! Not enjoying the fuel burn at the moment but the SOUND. What a machine.
3:38 this is a living hell. thank goodness you got out of there. feels bad for the residents.
As a car guy who enjoys cars loud enough to literally cause career ending hearing damage (Mazda 787b driven by Volker Weidler), there comes a limit. As Weidler would probably say, I love hearing loud cars and revving engines, but not for long enough that I develop sensorineural hearing loss.
I live in a town with some car enthusiasts, I coincidentally live next to a mall with a massive empty parking lot and an intersection infamous for attracting enthusiasts, and well occasionally get some ass who will do a few burnouts at 3am. This ends essentially as quickly as it starts, and chances are it won’t effect you much. I also live a few minutes away from a small airport, so we do get some prop plane air traffic. It’s only 1 plane at a time a few times per month but it’s still extremely fucking annoying. Seriously there is no understating how annoying those things are...and I shit y’all not as I’m writing this I hear one starting to approach lmao, the timing actually couldn’t be more perfect if I tried. It’s 1:20 in the morning...
I'm lucky in that at uni we may get a couple prop planes a day flying over and they aren't too bad as they are during the day time (probably flying from farnborough airport or even Dunsfold if that's still open), they are still louder than the aircraft experience in my home town. I live under flight path of Heathrow Aiport's Runway 27 Fucking L. Jets are just so easy to ignore even if they are one every 3-5 minutes and flying extremely low. Hell, I've been 1/2 km from the start of that runway, directly under a landing 747 and that was the only time a jet was louder to my ears than a prop plane lol.
My guy, I feel for you. I live in the city of a famous car auctioning company and their biannual events, so I’m surrounded by car people. On one hand, it’s awesome to basically live in a massive car exhibit; yet, on the other, there’s a nontrivial amount of drag racers and there are few people who race their choppers up the main road at 3 am. Every. Night. At least the three small airports whose flight paths I live directly under have merciful operating times. So after I’ve been jostled awake by someone’s infernal beast of burden, I’ll be sure that someone prevent me from falling asleep in the middle of the day.
When you think about it, it makes sense the prop planes are so much louder. Jet engines are entirely contained in the shroud, and most of the air that's carrying the sound is getting blasted out the back of the engine at a few hundred kilometers per hour, meaning most of the sound gets directed straight back and not toward the ground. Props, on the other hand, are completely open, and the air coming out of them isn't going nearly as fast, meaning that the sound gets to freely travel wherever it likes.
Dude I've been watching this channel for a while, it's become a new favorite. I initially had a sneaking suspicion but then thought "no I must be racist towards Australians, they can't all sound the same" that this was Dankpods. I'm probably more than a dozen videos in. You mentioned drumming in this video and I just thought "no way this has to be him", and sure enough I look under the description and there's dankpods lmao. Great channel DP.
I grew up near an Interstate Highway in the US, especially in the winter when sound travels further, it always generates a constant and quiet roar, and I love it. It's comforting white noise to me, and where Im buying a house is even closer, which is no problem to me. But the planes, I couldn't imagine that. Inconsistent, obnoxiously loud, even shaking the building occasionally. Like for me, once in a great while some C-17s will fly directly over the house, at night, at low altitude, doing manual navigation exercises (yes, following road maps in a C-17). Rattles the whole house and shakes you out of bed. It's super cool, but that's because it's rare. If it was every day and night, you probably couldn't pay me to live here any longer.
I live in Mawson Lakes and am right next to the runways. I've become so accustomed to the engine noise that it was odd hearing nothing during the start of the pandemic. I actually don't the plane engines at all, regardless of the time. We've lived under it for over seven years and it doesn't bother us. I can understand the annoyance for others however.
To be honest unless they are jets, you don't actually hear engine noise, but propeller noise instead. That's why it can't be silenced- you can't just put a muffler on them like you can on an engine.
@@mataskart9894 There's ducted propellers and whatnot, but that's a different kind of plane and costs more. The loudness is a legitimately inescapable piece of engineering for planes of that size.
That prop noise is SO damn relatable to me it's insane, I also live next to a small airport that's mainly used for small planes/props, but thankfully at least over here they only take off land every few HOURS, not constantly, so the noise is 100% tolerable
Goodbye warehouse, it was nice havin ya to store our dingus things.
I feel your pain, bro. I live by an “international” airport with anything from prop engines to screaming jets. Fun when you’re in the middle of something and you have to stop just so you can hold onto whatever brain matter you have. It is fun seeing the different kinds of planes coming from out of there from time to time tho, and the presidential and congressional jets like to practice out of it
Same here. One of the big ones too. Houston international airport :D
1:43 gotta love that Doppler effect 😅
When you live on a major road, you do literally start to block it out as white noise because its so reliable and consistent, and isnt an abrasive noise. Highways are a different story but I'll leave my hatred of NA-style city design for another time.
Prop planes however, are impossible to drown out as white noise. Its an irritating, grating noise that is louder than any natural noise.
I grew up extremely rural, so moving to a major street in a large city took adjusting. But the thing is, even on the busiest days I can sit in my back yard, which is not more than 30 meters from the road I'd say, with no sound barriers whatsoever, and the wind through the leaves and the birds chirping are more at the forefront than the cars.
In my hometown, which ironically was near a common flight path to the city I now live in, any time a prop plane flew over it was practically deafening in comparison to the gentle ambience of a rural farm outside harvesting or sewing season.
Don't agree about the road noise, not talking about highways or freeways either.
Just mean it's a personal matter, depends on everyone. I can't get used to a vacuum and church bells either, and those are short but regular noises. Regularity is the key here I think.
I thought I had it bad near a US airbase (I'm in the UK). Even when they try out their big boys it at least passes quickly. Your ears have my condolences. Glad you've escaped!
I love how the planes doing laps just sounds like some indie horror game all the time. When there are seven planes it sounds like the menu theme from Iron Lung. No seriously.
I feel your pain main. I live about two blocks from an active railroad and in a town with a massive army base. If it isn't trains it's helicopters, and if it isn't either of those things it's the army blowing shit up in the middle of the night.
What's crazy is the fact that the government forces landlords to give people free rent with section 8 but won't give up their city land and move their shit to the country and let people live on their land for free.
Just want hard working Americans to pay for people's rent so some political figures can reap the reward without putting anything in
@@Ave_Satana666 Wait is the free rent thing true? And where if so?
@@DJ_Moosterno, lmao. Section 8 pays 30-60% of rent for people with untenably low income below the poverty line, but only in special low income housing, and only if they meet certain requirements and fill out unending forms. It's basically a second full time job for the disabled and impoverished to get some help with rent in very basic efficiency or 1br apartments.
2:58 basically the way pilots initially learn to fly is landing and taking off again, by approaching for a landing, touching the ground, and taking off again, then flying around a “traffic pattern”, lining up for an approach, and repeating. The laps that you’re talking about are a fixed height and distance from the airport, so pilots sort of have to follow those paths.
An airfield near me has a no fly area that you have to avoid because the locals complained but unfortunately your government seems to not really care.
The issue with trainer aircraft is that as well as mostly being the Fiat 126s of the sky, it’s the propellor, not the engine that makes the noise, so the noise persists regardless of improvements in technology, whereas jets can keep getting quieter.
Sadly, being a GA pilot is either the hobby of the rich or something that has to happen in order to train to fly airliners for a job, and as long as people can be convinced that nothing will change, nothing will.
That turned into a massive essay but I’m still going to post it
I'm not an expert on anything but I feel like they could probably set up an airfield outside the city that they could practice on, and restrict the main airfield to landing and taking off only.
They wouldn't need the full facilities of an airfield since it's only for practicing touching down and taking off again, so it wouldn't need to refuel or service planes outside of occasional emergencies, so it'd be cheaper than just building an entirely new one.
Of course, it still costs money, so I'm sure politicians would still say "no"
the people living there just need to start firing at the planes for tresspassing their airfield. ez.
Cant the fly school just build another airfield out in the desert, where no one lives and they cant disturb anyone.
But here it seems to be a problem of government not caring, because they could mandate the fligth school do something.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ so that’s theoretically possible but realistically impractical - if you want to spend an hour doing patterns, you don’t want to spend 15 minutes of that flying to/from the airport you’re doing it at
You know, it's not like there aren't vast, uninhabited areas of land in Australia left and right. I'm sure the cost of having to drive a few miles outside are nothing compared to actually flying planes. Or having the fuel trucks drive a little longer until they can drop their stuff.
As a pilot in training, here in states we have "training air space" it's way out in the middle of no where more often then not over fields, it is picked specially for this purpose. It is so you can go as low or as high as you want and not bug anyone.
Ive had migraines my whole life and they're no joke. Even a little one can make me just so tired and nauseous. And if you never used to get them and start having them the levels of pain is absolutely insane.
Glad you got a better warehouse and I cannot wait to see the content that'll come out of it.
And I'm really starting to consider subbing to the Patreon so I can be one of those stinky names too
I’m especially light sensitive more than anything else when I have any severity of migraine, so I regularly wear my sunglasses indoors. I’m fairly certain, other than my friends, that everyone thinks I’m just hungover. Because, god I look like it. Exhausted, glued to a cup of coffee, and ready to kill or die.
My old roommate basically limped into my room with a migraine-she had never had one, and we still don’t know what triggered it-for help. I’ve gotten used to them since I was 8 that I forgot how awful the first one is. Truly I would not wish anyone a migraine.
@@glass.hammer I usually just sit in a dark room and put something cold on my forehead and it doesn't get rid of it by any means but it makes it less sufferable while I'm trying to get rid of it lol
Yup, the worst part of a migraine is when you feel it coming on and you just know, your day is over. You'll have to now lie down in a dark and quiet room until you hopefully fall asleep, because you can't focus on anything and you can't do any task properly. And if you do fall asleep, your sleeping pattern is ruined and you have to take a few days to just get it on track again. Migraines are the worst.
@@gownerjones you just have to hope and pray that you cought it in time and that the medicine will work in time. Then it gets to like 2 hours later and it's way worse and like you said, just your day ruined at that point lol
@@liamturner6424 When I have a normal headache, I can take ibuprofen and it usually goes away. But nothing has ever worked on a migraine for me. My doctor prescribed triptanes which also didn't help. The only thing that heals a migraine is sleep for me.
Sometimes I get painless migraines though. I just get very intense aura that makes me think I'm going blind. Also a lot of fun but thankfully usually over in half an hour.
I live out in the middle of a bunch of cotton fields and we get crop dusters with that kind of noise. That only goes on for a couple hours, tops, and happens a whopping twice a year. I cannot fathom having to hear that all day and night, nonstop. Holy shit.
5:39 like a f l y i n g l a w n m o w e r
I grew up near an air base, and got used to the sound of F15s taking off all day long, and during the night when night flying was scheduled. We lived in a valley, so when they were on afterburner, the sound reverberated off of the hills and would literally shake windows. You get used to it.
And I ended up joining the Air Force, working on F15s
Same here, grew up near an air base.
After a while you just stop noticing, hell even the bomb blasts don't register unless it's one of the really big lads that shakes the walls.
4:05 Sounds like a damn Viking tribe trying to send their dead commander into the afterlife... Sure, it sounds cool, once, but after a few months your brain starts saying "Well there goes another Viking to the afterlife again, *Grrrrr* "!
I'm really glad you got the new place! Even we viewers in the US appreciate your vids!
as a pilot this hurts me so much
i feel so bad but i love flying :(
Well it's absolutely fine to love flying, just as long as it's doesn't harm people. I know not everywhere is the same but around where I live all recreational flying is done over empty plots of desert, and I mean that's like 90% of Australia.
@@Lilly_the_Snek it is harming people witch is why he made this video
oh hey asexual Canadian, i knew you had good taste
I'm confused why the engines have to be that loud. They're not even high performance engines. Just crude old designs that have been approved and hard to replace I guess. I'm quite sure even a proportionally quieter engine but still loud would have a great benefit to the surrounding people.
@@Yourconradinarms if you pause at 9:18 these are the routs they do im just thinking
(make 2 long routes so it isn't short so one plane can't noise bomb you after the first one is leaving, thats near the least amount of people and just alternate between routes better yet get half the trainies to do one or the other and just anternate the times they leave so they don't come back at the same time for fuel)
I live horizontal to an airport runway, and as an aviation enthusiast I don't mind the noise, and in fact love sitting outside and watching the planes, but, from having experienced a Cessna 172 in the passenger seat, I could not stand this noise 24/7 from multiple planes at. A. Time. New warehouse looks promising though!
I know you're suffering. I've lived by airports, train stations, hospitals/fire stations. The train station was oddly the quietest one out of the bunch. You'd get a rumble and maybe the screech of brakes, but it was never late at night. With the exception of the bi-monthly train coming down from up North that must have been from World War 2 and sounded like a battalion. They ended up rescheduling the arrival time of that since so many people complained. Unless they were new the fire station / hospitals didn't kick on their Sirens until they're a lot further down the road. We actually had a drinking game with a few of my roommates at the time on how often we hear a siren.
The airport was the worst offender since when it was originally built it was designed for smaller aircraft. So the noise pollution wasn't as big and thus the neighborhood built itself around it. Then at some point in the late eighties or nineties it became a sort of Mini hub for larger/ recreational planes.
Trains are honestly kinda relaxing to me, especially infrequently
Your experience with trains and mine are completely different, you must've lived near a modern station, I use to leave near a old rural station, old rural homes aren't really built the best so when a train comes it shakes, but also since it's the middle of nowhere that means less people will complain, according to NYS, so there was times at about 11 PM to the latest I ever seen was 1 AM when a train will come and wake me up
you should really use those recordings of the plane engines to make some horrific soundscape track where it's just that and dissonant chords for an hour, call it warehouse woes or something
As someone who's lived next to an airport there whole life I can say this: you made a smart decision.
I honestly feel you mate, those are the same planes we get over in WA
That's rough. As an instructor I get why they turn so many laps, landing practice is important for private pilot students, but usually when we have training airports they're selected to be far enough away from residential areas or have special noise abatement procedures. It really sucks all around, but I hope the new location works out for you. PS, you should get some flying time in, its such a great hobby/career/passion!
@Keegan. There are some controls over parts of the main residential areas, nothing over the industrial areas. The city grew around the airport
The major flight school is the main problem. As Dankpods said, gov likes that sweet sweet cash.
Mawson Lakes is only a new suburb too.
I've never really have had to think about this because I'm mostly indoors, but I feel this. I live about 5 miles away from an airfield and in the summer, it gets bumping. I mean, it could be worse, but not to the extent shown in this video. Soz to Dank and people in Adelaide that have to go through this.
It’s stories like this that should remind everyone that governments, law enforcement, corporations, or anyone with such authority are not your friend. Sure, they may say they have your best interests at heart, but as soon as that stops being convenient to them, they act like you were never there.
Fascinating. I live near a small airport with a flight school attached to it. They also do laps but got a schedule and are forbidden to fly above residential from 21:30 to 6 in the morning. But permanent laps over residential are also forbidden, 2 or 3 is maximum and then they land or leave.
That noise is ludicrous, I'd go insane! Can't wait to see videos at the new warehouse, that drum dungeon and hoist are going to be siiick!
Flight schools are going to switch to electric trainers soon. They are much quieter and don't need long range duration. The prop will still make noise but it's not as bad.Piston planes also run on leaded fuel which is harmful to everyone that lives there.
I live near the biggest natiional flight school in my country. I don't mind the noise myself but I grew up with this and worked as an aircraft technician for 20 years.
Ive lived in Salisbury all my life and never really taken much note to the constant planes going over my house, probably due to growing up with it. Found it funny that one of the clips you were showing had a plane going over and at the same time i could hear one outside from Parafield airport lmao.
The "the airport was here first" argument is absolute bullshit. My grandparents lived in Para Hills in the 80s-90s, and air traffic was nothing like this, it was just standard small airport stuff - a wide variety of planes going by at irregular intervals. Most residents found it kind of interesting, because the sheer variety of single prop / twin prop / vintage planes that used Parafield Airport. Watching biplanes fly over as a kid was pretty rad.
The population aren't the ones using the airfield, they use Adelaide Airport. The noise from Parafield is almost exclusively from the flying school, and I assure you that the people who can afford to go for a pilots' license probably aren't living in the Northern suburbs.
@Casper's Studio That's a facile argument. The airport and the homeowners both have joint interest in the area, and it's normal for local governance to establish reasonable boundaries for what is acceptable for all parties. The much larger Adelaide Airport has curfews and restrictions in place for this very reason, as do most airports that overfly residential zones. Continuous, all-day flyovers by low-flying prop trainers would not be considered reasonable by most people.
@@SlightlyNasty there in lies the issue, parafield has no curfew or restrictions, its a flight school that never truly stops
I feel this whole video in my soul. I like less than half a mile from a major industrial railway. Ever heard a train horn at 6am? That's how I get up for work!
Trains are impossible to drown out. It's grating, loud, booming noise and louder than anything natural. Heavy ones are FELT before you hear them. I get a weekly mini earthquake.
I feel your pain man. I use to live right next to an airport... Thinking back on it that's probably why rent was slightly cheaper than other places. I just always had a fan running and as many layers of foam and curtains on the window as I could get. Made it slightly better. If it gets real bad throw on a thunderstorm sleep sounds vid from the tube.
What a great introduction, drums falling, just the the planes
Having a dorm roommate who snores like they've got apnea close to half of all nights, I feel this
This better be clickbait, or he’s getting a million dollar mansion
It's not clickbait
Plane go brrrrrrrr
Hey Wade, pilot here (of the Freedom Eagle variety). Those look to be Diamond DV/DA-20s and 40s, which are Diesel (so they run on Jet-A instead of Avgas) and combined with a thick prop-bite they are LOUD. Those laps are called "patterns", and (at least here in the USA) they are essential to flight training. Trust me, it ain't fun flying with 10 others in the pattern (when it's clear it's air-time). I learned to fly in rural Texas, where there was no one to be bothered, but I can certainly see how that could get annoying. Unfortunately most of those planes (if the rules are similar to the USA given that Australia is also under the jurisdiction of ICAO) cant fly the fancy long routes as it seems they are newbies flying VFR instead of IFR. A tiny bit of IFR time is required for the pilot's license in the USA, and I can tell ya there's a LOT going on in those routes that these pilots aren't ready for. Glad you could find a new place tho! I'm looking forward to seeing what kinds of nuggets come and go from there.
At the end of the day, this is all probably Frank's fault. How dare she not use her powers on the city council to end the madness. (some snakes just want to watch the world burn)
You sure? I saw one of their twin diesels take off and it was the quietest takeoff from an internal combustion engine airplane I had ever witnessed.
As a matter of fact I think you have this completely backwards. Slower turning blades are quieter. The pitch of the blade doesn't have that much of an impact. It's why warbirds sound so loud when they pass directly past you, when you're in line with the propeller arc, even though they're not super sonic they're still trans-sonic at the tips and there is the beginnings of a supersonic shockwave being formed. On the other hand for light planes the most sound you hear is from the engine which typically doesn't have a muffler. You sometimes see planes like glider tugs equipped with large muffler assemblies because the engine is the most significant cause of sound.
I feel your pain believe me. We on Anglesey in North Wales had a very similar problem. but it wasn't an small airport no, no, no it was the RAF. They train pilots up to fly Hawks which were loud but very few fly overhead a day. This was up until around 2017 I think. Then they started using propellor planes to train in. They were more frequent and loud. So after local newspaper coverage and hundreds of complaints, what do you think the RAF did? No your wrong, they explained the reason for the planes, they apologised for the noise and issues it caused. Then said they were working on a way to make them quieter. All they asked was a bit of time and patience to fix the noise issues. Now they nearly never fly over anymore and if they do there is only one or two that do. RAF done good.
Wow. The good ending was such a plot twist.
i feel you man, i live near a military base and im always hearing plane noises. its only worth it for the rare sight of a fighter jet, but normally its just cargo planes and shit like that
Turboprop, regular, or turbofan? I'll give a hint, you can't tell the difference between a turboprop and a regular piston engine when its in the air.
Example: I'm quite certain there aren't any cargo aircraft in military service in the western world that run with regular piston engines, as they only use turboprops or turbofans. Why? they have a fully constant power stream, and are becoming better and quieter each year. Hell, both run the exact same basic principle, the difference being what makes the plane move! (Turbofans use hothot gas to _push_ the plane forwards, while turboprops use the hothot gas to spin a turbine connected to a propellor that _pulls_ both air into the engine and the aircraft itself forwards.) Example of Turboprops in service in western countries: the C-130 Hercules, and its *_extremely similar_* European-designed counterpart, the Airbus A400 Atlas.
@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 I live in Brazil and the Air Force here uses the C-130, the P3 Orion and the new C-390 Millenium. the C-390 is jet powered but i dont know exacly what type of engine the P3 uses, i imagine it is a Turbo Prop like the Hercules. as for the Fighter jet it is currently the F-5 but it is being replaced by the F-39 Gripen
and to top all these planes flying above my home there is a training airport next too, so there are some little Cessnas sometimes, but the majority of the noise are from the big cargo planes lol
I used to live 5 miles down range of a major metro airport approach runway (so passenger jets near constantly). I've lived half a block from a freight train crossing that they are mandated to blow their horn every time they use it (fun when you're trying to sleep!). My current house has single-engine planes flying a hundred feet over my house as it's a half-mile away from the approach path (un-towered private airport with only a single runway, 1-2 planes an hour max THANK DOG). I completely understand your pain. (jet noise is better than prop noise)
As someone who can't tolerate constantly barking neighbours dogs or squeaky whirly birds this sends me wild just to think about
Birds are fine. but yes Dog barks are awful, But the most problematic for me is kids crying and screaming in the basement.
The worst of the worst is roosters.
Sad to see the old warehouse go but I hope to stumble into you in my office one day again! (Yeah I'm that rando)
Love what you and James are doing and can't wait to see the new studio!
1:13 the pass gives me nostalgia of the maintenance people cutting the grass when I was kid at my moms apartment on saturday mornings.
Man I feel you. My house was half a mile at most from a small airport. And before that I lived 8 miles from O’Hare international airport. Two towns over was trying to get the flight paths changed. Suffice to say, the home near O’Hare was better because the planes where already high enough to where it’s not that distracting. The one house by a small airport felt like it was barely 100 feet off the ground.
Frank never fails to make me smile : )
I grew up on a marine corps air station, all the engine noise was kind of nostalgic to me. I'm more accustomed to jet engines and turbo props, but after so long engine noise is just a background noise we grew to live with.
I'm glad I'm a patreon and was able to help you move out of that damn place! I hope the best for you :333
i used to live somewhere with endless car/loud bass-y music noises in the parking lots and i ended up buying some of the sony XM4s because of it, and one of your videos helped me make that decision, and those headphones saved my life. i ended up moving and i'm closer to a major airport and that noise bothers me far less than the loud bass-y music, but goddamn, i feel your pain. glad you're able to fuck off to a (hopefully) better place.
I actually used to work at a flight school, and this has all made me grin with nostalgia