Thank you for watching, please take a complimentary wafer thin mint. Did you use the Wafadrive or a similar tech oddity on your system? Did you stump up for a floppy drive or like me, suffer the loading times of cassette tapes? I'd love to hear your stories. Neil - RMC
I used to copy the Spectrum's save and load routines into RAM so I could mess around with them--reduce the delay loops to make turbo load and save, and change the border colours, mainly. I also used to know exactly when the font loaded in any game because there was a distinctive sound to it, no matter how redesigned the font was. Yes, I was a strange child, thanks for noticing! :-)
The absolute first computer I had when I was 8 was some home micro that had a tape drive but I dunno what it was because it was so long ago. All I remember is that it could change the color of the text with a Key combo. I never learnt how to run the tape nor did my father. It was something a neighbour gave us.
I was actually the Technical Director for Rotronics and conceived the specification of the Wafadrive back in 1984. You will find my name on the manuals included with the WD. The main problem with the device was that powering down the speccy with the wafers in situ could cause a random flow of current through the heads, which could corrupt the data stored - the main cause of the dreaded Bad Sector messages. A fix for this was developed, but by then several thousand had already been made. Unfortunately, in the scramble to get the product onto market, there were no prototypes to evaluate for this kind of issue. The word processor bundled with the product was called Spectral Writer. Rotronics was unfortunately forced out of business when the £ crashed against the $ and they could not he sold at the originally intended price without incurring a loss. Graham Booth
I excitedly saved up for one of these, when I was still in high school. Hooked it up to my 48K Speccy, and it blew the Speccy's motherboard. Tried it on the school's 16K model, and it worked - but when I formatted the included wafa, the drive chewed up the tape. I didn't bother buying a replacement!
That's real sad my man! I bet you was just literally without a computer for ages then? Because back in our day (Well my day anyways...) if you broke anything it was gone, Unlike my 11 year old twin boys who so far have gotten through £250+ worth of Xbox one Joypads due to the hard bedroom floor. I remember I pissed about and broke my Amstrad CPC464 motherboard when I was a lad. That meant I went without a computer for a long time! My parents didn't care!
I got one at a huge discount at one of the last sinclair user fairs in London, but if you plugged it in with the computer on, it blew the motherboard - I managed to do that twice. had to send my spectrum off for repair - it was good, if you wanted faster load times on software that you could break into and save to a wafer, which mostly meant storing BASIC titles. But I did use it quite a bit.
Wow. This takes me back. I had a wafer drive for my computer O level. I was in the first year group to take an O level in Computers. I had the privilege of showing off my Sinclair Spectrum and it's Wafadrive to Maggie Thatcher when she came around to open our science block at school. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Very good video! I just love all the history surrounding the UK home micro scene in the 80s, it's so fascinating how different it was compared to our market in the US back then. Knowing what I know now about the ZX Spectrum, I can definitely see that for all it's shortcomings and cut design corners, there really is an undeniable charm about it.
Love these videos. Also loved the Retro Island episode with old school underground cracking groups. Being an Atari ST user in a foreign country, those were the only disks we saw. Wish you'd do more of those for The Replicants, Pompey Pirates, Automation, Was (Not Was), and others I completely forgot about (it's been 30 years).
I had a Wafadrive on my Speccy, and Tasword as well. :) FYI Wafadrive was supported by the Romantic Robot Multiface1, which allowed it to copy any cassette software including games to Wafas, for fast and quite reliable loading. The Multiface1 was a very useful device for basically copying pretty much any software and games. I bought my Wafadrive in 1985 for a reduced price at one of the London home computer shows, at the Royal Horticultural Halls.
I used to have a wafadrive unit, bought with the Rotronics printer. Together with a word processing program Tasword , I did very basic word processing with it. Don't recall any major problem with the set-up, but then I sold it after a couple of years when I upgrading to a Sinclair QL.
RMT comes through, as always. Who knew this oddity ever existed? The more I watch these videos the more ignorant I realize I am to so many interesting and unique items from days gone by.
A friend of mine had this Wafadrive system, and I remember being impressed by the loading times compared to cassettes. Never had one myself though; I got one of those TR-DOS systems that used 5.25 inch floppies. Kids these days think loading times on their console games are bad - they never lived through the 8-bit era!
You know... I had one of these when they came out and bought numerous carts to go with it. Off to the Library I went to rent / borrow Speccy tapes and copied them onto the Wafas. Now, the drive has long gone however...I do still have some of the carts I think...in a box..in the loft..somewhere. Now here lies a story... I'm afraid to say I was totally addicted to a game called 'Caribbean Trader' which was a 'bedroom programmed' game, simple but fun. I have been looking for it for years and even on WoS, it's missing in action. Now, I am pretty sure it was one of the games I copied onto the Wafas. /If/ I ever get up into the loft and find the carts, I'll quite happily post them off to you Mr RMC and hopefully, you may be able to recover the game. You can keep the carts if I find them - fair swap?
Thanks. I'll get into the loft some time and have a dig around in the boxes... If I find them, I'm happy for you to keep the Wafas - I don't have a drive!
I worked on the mincomputer brother to this system. The DEC TU-58 used data cartridges, cassette like tapes in place of floppies. This was block replaceable tape. It was connected over a 38.4Kbaud serial line. It set new standards for slow file storage. thanks
Reminds me of an 8 track with it's continuous loop and a metal piece indicating the joint that the system can detect. Nice video, never knew there was anything like this for the ZX!
I bought one of these back in the day from a second hand store. I remember it came with 2 wafers and whilst I could list them, they would never load. Still, a great piece of kit and this video gives me great memories. Oh how I wish I’d never sold all my Sinclair set up off so cheaply now! 😞
I'm sure i remember a interview with Clive Sinclair and he mentioned a solid state wafer drive that was being worked on. Sounded like a modern sd card. Shame that never happened it could have blown all the storage mediums of the time out of the water. I have always wondered about that. :)
I can recall two other similar systems. One was the Phloopy, marketed for the BBC Model B, which didn't catch on. The other was the Exatron Stringy Floppy which was quite popular with TRS-80 users.
Another obscure system was the QuickDisk, which used 2.8 inch media, and recorded the data in a spiral, just like a vinyl record! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_floppy_disk#Quick
I had one of these beauties. I remember buying it at an Alexandra Palace Microfair, along with a Multiface. Together they were a dream. You could basically load any game by tape and hit the multiface to save the game state to a wafa. I would then spend hours with the multiface poking system to crack new games and send off my pokes to Crash Magazine in Ashby De La Zouch. I would often send them in under assumed identities as I thought what I was doing was highly illegal at the time. Oh younger me, you were such a worrier.
Good grief!! I thought I was the only person who even remembers these! I picked one up in a catalogue returns shop for a few quid in 1986 and attached it to my Speccy 128K. It worked fine, and I got some additional wafers, but I quickly found that while it was more convenient for finding lots of small files on a single medium, it was not really any quicker than cassette tape at loading. I believe the technology was adapted from machine control systems dating back to the 70s, and was surprisingly robust for its day.
This reminded me of the weird external 3.5 inch floppy drive I had for my psion s3a. It was dog slow and took about 30s to load up some low res grey scale boobies but it made me feel like some sort of "wizkid" at school. Like you'd see on the BBC when some spotty kid had done something mildly impressive.. TL;DR; When are you doing a Psion video!
I had an Opus 3.5 inch floppy coupled to a Romantic Robot Multiface 3 on the side of a DK'Tronics keyboard. It was a monster! (I also modified it to give composite video out so I could plug it into a monitor.) I could dump running programs to the aforementioned disk. Great for loading Elite without the annoying and often indecipherable Lenslock copy protection, amongst other things.
i had a romantic robot multiface +3 as well (still have it), load a game slowly from cassette, the dump it to 3" floppy, also great for cheating in games (you could find cheat codes in mags), +3 games were expensive compaired to the tape versions, i remember buying a pack of amsoft 3" floppys from "index" for £30 catalog #570019 ah good days load a pre saved snapshotted game in 10 seconds, get so far save it in case you "died", i even had (still have) the videoface (a digitiser)
Ahh, the Wafadrive I had access to was replaced a +D. 3.5" floppy drive and a muliface like snapshot button. I used load the cover tape games, then snapshot them to floppy. The best add-on the Spectrum ever got!
Thank you very much for the piano lounge music and Wafadrive retrospective... I was suitably relaxed (Friday here... @ work... ha ha) and informed about a storage device I couldn't afford in its heyday. Cheers! 😁
I think the Wafadrive had some merits for early software production on the platform, but in the long run it was the serial port supplied by the Interface , and later included as a standard feature in the Amsrad 128 that was the real victor
I was more than a little shocked when you decided to just tear into the wafer, *before* even checking if you could wipe/reformat the tape and test if you could at least store fresh data on it. Then I was further disappointed when instead of carefully putting it back together to try the above test, you just ripped its guts out! I love your stuff... but this kind of behaviour comes dangerously close to barbarism, my good sir. ;)
I am about to eat that one last wafer thin mint lol! I have just snagged one of these Rotronics devices, boxed with a bunch of wafa's. I have always wanted one, way way back when I had a rubber-keyed 48k spectrum (my first computer).
Opus released the discovery 5 1/4 floppy disk drive for the zx spectrum and if memory serves fuller did an after market system. Love your videos keep up the good work from an avid spectrum owner and retro collector.
With very old audio tapes I notice the tape loses particles on 1st play and fowls the heads, so I play the tape once fully, clean the tape machine heads, and on next play the sound is clear again.
when i was a kid i used to lust after these fast load devices, even then i was in the radio ham club and a total electronics nerd, so i and a couple of old boys in the club built our own what we did was use high quality micro cassettes and a multiface(for the snapshot), you would flick a switch on it for record mode press snapshot on multiface then dump the rom to the tape, once recorded the switch was flicked to play mode and you loaded in as normal only faster, it it recoded at one speed but played at another, which was a function of micro cassettes, normally the slower speed mode was used to get more space on the cassette but we hacked it to play and record at differing speeds, and it worked it reduced load times quite a bit but was really finicky the azimuth was a pain to set up, i was always surprised no one was playing with speed loading at the time of course now we have internet, it seems others did have similar ideas with varying results.
Hi there, Retro! Love these old obscure storage methods! Have you heard of a device that records data onto a _video_ cassette? I seem to remember that they could store several megabytes at a time when a few hundred 'K' would be considered a lot. I believe it was made for the Amiga, but can't remember.
You are correct that there was a VHS based backup system for the Amiga; i had one of those myself, however it was quite fiddly in my experience - or maybe it was just that my VHS machine was a bit long in the tooth. Either way, the system, aptly titled 'Video Backup System', was not meant as a day-to-day storage system, but solely as a backup device.
I found some info on it: www.hugolyppens.com/VBS.html I believe this is the producer of the hardware/software. Their "unbiased" opinion is: "The Video Backup System Amiga (VBS) lets you connect a VCR to your Commodore Amiga computer and turns it into an extremely reliable and affordable backup device." LOL!
The wafadrive was much more reliable than the microdrive. I had both. The wafadrive had the parallel interface which is why i bought it you could copy tapes to it, but i cant remember how.
I still have my Wafadrive in a well-preserved box. After reading a positive review in a German mag called Happy Computer I spent my hard-earned tutor wages on one. I soon found out that the review had omitted an important fact: The Wafadrive system eats away some 4 kB of memory which does little for compatibility. Luckily the Multiface supported it so loading games from Wafadrive was possible after giving the game the Multiface's magic button treatment. The wafas themselves were not reliable IIRC. The first time you used them put some strain on the medium and I resorted to saving games twice on a wafa just to be sure. Maybe that is a feature of my Wafadrive, I don't know. I moved on to the beastly Opus Discovery soon, sacrificing even more tutor's wages in the process. 😅
Neat! I have only heard of these from books and occasionally magazines from the time period here in the US, though, I guess from the video they're pretty rare over where you're at too.
I’m pretty sure the Rotronics Wafadrive started out at around £129, then £99 and finally £49, near the end. It’s mechanism was made by BSR (Birmingham Sound Reproducers), the same people that made the mechanisms for the Sinclair ZX Microdrive, although they were different designs. Also it well predates the Amstrad FDD drive. I had one with a few carts and the supplied Spectral Writer word processor. Like the Microdrive the tape in a Wafa would stretch with use and reformatting would see it’s storage size increase, although errors would increase too.
Good video I have a Quick drive in my C64 collection. didn’t realise is was the same drive mech and media as the wafadrive tho. There was a company in the 90's called Bull electronics and they where selling the Quick drives off at five for £1 as project boxes for electronics enthusiasts, that’s where mine came from. I may have a spare wafa if its compatible you should be able to reformat it to work on your wafadrive.
I bought a Wafadrive and used it for ages until one day it just stopped responding and I ended up buying a Microdrive. I still have the Wafadrive in my loft with a few tapes.
Someone tried to sell me one of these so I took on loan but didn't buy it. Seemed to work okay, but I tried to do something and it was clear that it wasn't going to get the support of the official microdrives, so I stuck it out and got the microdrives. I remember my mum saying "if it isn't what you want, don't buy it", the way that only mothers would.
I bought a Sinclair Microdrive when they first came out. The dealer sold me a partially boxed one with no instructions and (I discovered later) without the essential utilities tape, although there was a slot in the packaging for one. I very soon found out it was no use for what I wanted, loading games in more quickly. Being a newb I didn't realise you could not just copy games onto the microdrive wafers. I soon sold it on, at a considerable loss. Not that long after I bought a CPC 464, then disk drive and printer, and had a lot more fun because games were available on disk and with a plug in box, could be transferred from ram onto a disk. Elite used to load on about 45 seconds compared to around five and a half minutes on Spectrum, and even longer on the C64 (someone told me twelve and a half minutes). There was also the added advantage, not often used in the early days, of disks having more levels than the tape versions, such as Roland in Space.
There was a couple of snapshot devices made, like the Multifaces from Romantic Robot Ltd, that could very easily make copies of Speccy cassette games to microdrives and wafadrives, for much faster loading.
Now I'm wondering why the idea of just using 8 tracks as a storage medium never caught on. I imagine it'd make accessing multiple files easier, and the equipment would probably be cheaper since the medium had been around for so long already. Not unlike how some companies repurposed plants for manufacturing black-and-white TVs to make monochrome monitors.
Yes, that's how I tended to dispose of tapes (I must shamefully admit), usually in a state of extreme fury after it jamming the cassette drive and not unusually spewing tape around the inside of the Sierra in the ensuing battle. Out you get, you ______
I still have my Wafadrive in a well-preserved box. After reading a positive review in a German mag called Happy Computer I spent my hard-earned tutor wages on one. I soon found out that the review had omitted an important fact: The Wafadrive system eats away some 4 kB of memory which does little for compatibility. Luckily the Multiface supported it so loading games from Wafadrive was possible after giving the game the Multiface's magic button treatment. The wafas themselves were not reliable IIRC. The first time you used them put some strain on the medium and I resorted to saving games twice on a wafa just to be sure. Maybe that is a feature of ma Wafadrive, I don't know. I moved on to the beastly Opus Discovery soon, sacrificung even more tutor's wages in the process. 😅
Legit tape disposal protocol. I never knew this even existed for the Spectrum until now but obviously it would've cost a bomb back in the day. The thing was that cassettes were largely reliable, unless they were massively abused, and if you used good cassettes and multiples copies (from the source) loading issues were rarely a problem, other than being bloody slow. I used to do the old loading trick of counting the load time, applicable to any 8-bit cassette loading system, on my Casio F-91W watch, and then setting a count down timer to know when to return to the computer after setting a cassette to load. Nice bit of odd-bod tech that cassette system.
I wonder how well the ports on the back work. £15 was a really good price for serial and parallel ports for the spectrum. Be interesting to see it transfer files over a serial or parallel port from a pc or something.
Later tape formats abandoned the loop in favour of 2 way serpentine - and TBH, wasn't sure if the internal layout was going to be 8 track style or ripple packed
After the wafadrive was a failure and the company rotronix went under, the old stock was sold off cheaply. I picked up one of these for less than 20 quid in the hope of a bargain...only to be disappointed and quickly realised why it failed. To say it was quite unreliable would be an understatement. Happy teenage memories though, thanks!
Oh I dreamed of owning one of these or a disk drive that used to be advertised. Can't remember the name of that: Began with 'O' I think. *Edit* Opus Discovery
Can't you just replace the tape in the wafer, using the old leader to allow the start of tape detection to work? Is it even the same width as "normal tape"? If you _could_ swap it out, are you able to then format it to make it usable?
It's 1.8mm wide and described in the gumph as video tape as opposed to audio tape quality, without elaborating on the exact specifications which would have been nice to know
Grab a ruler and knife and crack open a video.... :) Does it have a format option though? I'd imagine not and that all tapes come pre-formatted. I'd imagine finding another tape would be harder than finding hen's teeth in rocking horse poo.
My friend had one in the 80's. It was atrocious. The system vars it used were put in a part of memory that was used for most 16K game's menu and player select routines, so they crashed instantly. The WafaDrive was also very noisy as I recall.
I had one of these which I bought cheap after the company went bust and they were trying to get rid of them. It was a nice idea, but I found mine was very unreliable. I got a few 128K wafers with it, but most of them had the bad sector problem shown here, even then (mid 80's). I spent quite a lot of time getting games moved onto the wafers, but of course, with it stealing some of the RAM that meant you could only transfer games that used less than you had available, and most games used all 48K and custom loaders which needed to be converted, a time consuming and messy business!
There is a wafadrive utility wafa you can buy separately with such useful tools. Another commenter has asked if I can transfer data off some old wafa's for them, so I may need to track it down
Wow, This stuff NEVER reached us in Australia thank goodness. This looks like it took a lot of cues from the 8-Track tapes, but since it only required 1 track they could make the tape "skinnier" than an 8 track, hence they probably were prone to stretching which screws up the wow & flutter characteristics in a regular tape, so you can only imagine what it did to your data. They would've been better off copying the magnetic wire recording devices of the 60's era, it wouldn't have stretched as badly. I love the comment at 6:20 - Hehehe, I have seen a few in my time. :)
Interesting. I knew and had the Microdrives, but never heard about this device (that looks pretty much as a microdrive, I mean, a cassette disguised as a disk).
Nice machine :D I hope that you tried to record something else on it before you destroyed it. Could it be that the old data were just too faded? Glory to the cave!
Good luck in your on-going hunt for some working wafers Neil, especially considering the slightly rude response you got to your request in a certain facebook group I shan't mention.
I bought one from Logic for the sum of £15.. they bought all their bankrupt stock.. mugsy was a game on it.. problem with the OS taking memory it cut the number of games you could use.
I seem to recall Sinclair user published a type in patcher that rearranged some of the rooms in JSW. I wonder if the 1k program is that and the guy who typed it in just named it JSW2 as a kind of joke?
It's sad: it seems that stringy-floppy storage might really have worked on the Spectrum had the Microdrive's design been more like that of the WafaDrive...
I had one, I think I bought mine as they were being sold off. I could never find 128kb tapes only 64kb so essentially when I moved on to a 128k spectrum it became redundant for gaming.
I believe the Wafadrive would work with the original Sinclair 128k Spectrum, but I know it was incompatible and didn't work with the later Amstrad Spectrums. I also bought mine when they were been sold off with a heavy discount, and could only find 64k wafas for it.
I have 30+ wafers here along with the drive unit. I would like to somehow preserve/archive the contents of any surviving wafer carts but have no idea how to do it! I have also posted on the wos spectrum forums about it. did you ever try backing up or moving data around with this bit of hardware?
As an American, I've always wondered why people from the UK say Zed instead of Zee for the letter Z. I'm not trying to be judgmental, I'm just curious as to why.
Thank you for watching, please take a complimentary wafer thin mint. Did you use the Wafadrive or a similar tech oddity on your system? Did you stump up for a floppy drive or like me, suffer the loading times of cassette tapes? I'd love to hear your stories. Neil - RMC
(ps sorry for the occasional audio pop on this video... this was a rather annoying problem I'll have fixed before the next video)
I used to copy the Spectrum's save and load routines into RAM so I could mess around with them--reduce the delay loops to make turbo load and save, and change the border colours, mainly. I also used to know exactly when the font loaded in any game because there was a distinctive sound to it, no matter how redesigned the font was. Yes, I was a strange child, thanks for noticing! :-)
The absolute first computer I had when I was 8 was some home micro that had a tape drive but I dunno what it was because it was so long ago. All I remember is that it could change the color of the text with a Key combo. I never learnt how to run the tape nor did my father. It was something a neighbour gave us.
Love the Monty Python reference! It's my favourite sketch by them!
I've never heard of the Waferdrive before
Now that's some delightfully obscure hardware. Nice stuff.
Thanks Clint, please help yourself to a wafer thin mint
Greetings !!!
RetroManCave
After seeing that thumbnail, I can't help but read it as "Waffer Drive" now either.
"Aww, but Monsieur, it's only WAFFER thin..."
I feel like I am watching two NPCs communicate
I was actually the Technical Director for Rotronics and conceived the specification of the Wafadrive back in 1984. You will find my name on the manuals included with the WD.
The main problem with the device was that powering down the speccy with the wafers in situ could cause a random flow of current through the heads, which could corrupt the data stored - the main cause of the dreaded Bad Sector messages. A fix for this was developed, but by then several thousand had already been made. Unfortunately, in the scramble to get the product onto market, there were no prototypes to evaluate for this kind of issue. The word processor bundled with the product was called Spectral Writer. Rotronics was unfortunately forced out of business when the £ crashed against the $ and they could not he sold at the originally intended price without incurring a loss.
Graham Booth
It's fantastic to see you hear Graham, thank you for sharing those insights
Thanks for the heads up! I will proceed with caution with my unit! I have yet to even plug it in and see if it works.
It's been a long time since I've seen magnetic tape decorating the bushes going down a street. Used to be a pretty common thing.
People would just throw out the window cassettes they didn't like anymore or got cheap or broke
I excitedly saved up for one of these, when I was still in high school. Hooked it up to my 48K Speccy, and it blew the Speccy's motherboard. Tried it on the school's 16K model, and it worked - but when I formatted the included wafa, the drive chewed up the tape. I didn't bother buying a replacement!
This is a sorry tale indeed :(
That's real sad my man! I bet you was just literally without a computer for ages then? Because back in our day (Well my day anyways...) if you broke anything it was gone, Unlike my 11 year old twin boys who so far have gotten through £250+ worth of Xbox one Joypads due to the hard bedroom floor. I remember I pissed about and broke my Amstrad CPC464 motherboard when I was a lad. That meant I went without a computer for a long time! My parents didn't care!
I got one at a huge discount at one of the last sinclair user fairs in London, but if you plugged it in with the computer on, it blew the motherboard - I managed to do that twice. had to send my spectrum off for repair - it was good, if you wanted faster load times on software that you could break into and save to a wafer, which mostly meant storing BASIC titles. But I did use it quite a bit.
Wow. This takes me back. I had a wafer drive for my computer O level. I was in the first year group to take an O level in Computers. I had the privilege of showing off my Sinclair Spectrum and it's Wafadrive to Maggie Thatcher when she came around to open our science block at school. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Very good video! I just love all the history surrounding the UK home micro scene in the 80s, it's so fascinating how different it was compared to our market in the US back then. Knowing what I know now about the ZX Spectrum, I can definitely see that for all it's shortcomings and cut design corners, there really is an undeniable charm about it.
You are in the right direction for becoming huge.
Keep improving but never change your style and format.
I'm staring at your avatar and feel compelled to never change my style or format. 😁 thank you for the words of encouragement
I really like learning about storage formats that I had no idea existed
Love these videos. Also loved the Retro Island episode with old school underground cracking groups. Being an Atari ST user in a foreign country, those were the only disks we saw. Wish you'd do more of those for The Replicants, Pompey Pirates, Automation, Was (Not Was), and others I completely forgot about (it's been 30 years).
Thanks! The next episode is with Anarchy, the old demo group, really looking forward to hearing their inside stories
I had a Wafadrive on my Speccy, and Tasword as well. :) FYI Wafadrive was supported by the Romantic Robot Multiface1, which allowed it to copy any cassette software including games to Wafas, for fast and quite reliable loading. The Multiface1 was a very useful device for basically copying pretty much any software and games.
I bought my Wafadrive in 1985 for a reduced price at one of the London home computer shows, at the Royal Horticultural Halls.
I used to have a wafadrive unit, bought with the Rotronics printer. Together with a word processing program Tasword , I did very basic word processing with it. Don't recall any major problem with the set-up, but then I sold it after a couple of years when I upgrading to a Sinclair QL.
RMT comes through, as always. Who knew this oddity ever existed? The more I watch these videos the more ignorant I realize I am to so many interesting and unique items from days gone by.
OMG that comment about the disposal of tape out of a car is brilliant!
A friend of mine had this Wafadrive system, and I remember being impressed by the loading times compared to cassettes. Never had one myself though; I got one of those TR-DOS systems that used 5.25 inch floppies. Kids these days think loading times on their console games are bad - they never lived through the 8-bit era!
As an old Speccy owner I have never ever seen or heard of this device. Great video and thank you as it was great to learn its existence.
You know... I had one of these when they came out and bought numerous carts to go with it. Off to the Library I went to rent / borrow Speccy tapes and copied them onto the Wafas.
Now, the drive has long gone however...I do still have some of the carts I think...in a box..in the loft..somewhere. Now here lies a story...
I'm afraid to say I was totally addicted to a game called 'Caribbean Trader' which was a 'bedroom programmed' game, simple but fun. I have been looking for it for years and even on WoS, it's missing in action. Now, I am pretty sure it was one of the games I copied onto the Wafas. /If/ I ever get up into the loft and find the carts, I'll quite happily post them off to you Mr RMC and hopefully, you may be able to recover the game. You can keep the carts if I find them - fair swap?
I'd be happy to transfer the game and return all wafers, email me on the channel name at gmail or DM me on twitter to discuss
Thanks. I'll get into the loft some time and have a dig around in the boxes... If I find them, I'm happy for you to keep the Wafas - I don't have a drive!
I worked on the mincomputer brother to this system. The DEC TU-58 used data cartridges, cassette like tapes in place of floppies. This was block replaceable tape. It was connected over a 38.4Kbaud serial line. It set new standards for slow file storage. thanks
I had a microdrive, and loved it.. was a cute little thing :)
Great video! Enjoyed the piano music in the background as well!
Glad you liked it sir 😊 have a great weekend
RetroManCave Thanks, and you, too!
Reminds me of an 8 track with it's continuous loop and a metal piece indicating the joint that the system can detect. Nice video, never knew there was anything like this for the ZX!
I bought one of these back in the day from a second hand store. I remember it came with 2 wafers and whilst I could list them, they would never load. Still, a great piece of kit and this video gives me great memories. Oh how I wish I’d never sold all my Sinclair set up off so cheaply now! 😞
I'm sure i remember a interview with Clive Sinclair and he mentioned a solid state wafer drive that was being worked on. Sounded like a modern sd card. Shame that never happened it could have blown all the storage mediums of the time out of the water. I have always wondered about that. :)
ZX spectrum was my very first computer. Today i've got 2 of them, but i've never heard about WafaDrive. Thank You RMC.
To masz you're welcome and thank you for watching
I can recall two other similar systems. One was the Phloopy, marketed for the BBC Model B, which didn't catch on. The other was the Exatron Stringy Floppy which was quite popular with TRS-80 users.
Another obscure system was the QuickDisk, which used 2.8 inch media, and recorded the data in a spiral, just like a vinyl record! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_floppy_disk#Quick
Another bit of old tech I knew nothing about !
-Freat- *GREAT* (even) video RMC. Keep them coming.
I had one of these beauties. I remember buying it at an Alexandra Palace Microfair, along with a Multiface. Together they were a dream. You could basically load any game by tape and hit the multiface to save the game state to a wafa. I would then spend hours with the multiface poking system to crack new games and send off my pokes to Crash Magazine in Ashby De La Zouch. I would often send them in under assumed identities as I thought what I was doing was highly illegal at the time. Oh younger me, you were such a worrier.
Good grief!! I thought I was the only person who even remembers these! I picked one up in a catalogue returns shop for a few quid in 1986 and attached it to my Speccy 128K. It worked fine, and I got some additional wafers, but I quickly found that while it was more convenient for finding lots of small files on a single medium, it was not really any quicker than cassette tape at loading. I believe the technology was adapted from machine control systems dating back to the 70s, and was surprisingly robust for its day.
This reminded me of the weird external 3.5 inch floppy drive I had for my psion s3a. It was dog slow and took about 30s to load up some low res grey scale boobies but it made me feel like some sort of "wizkid" at school. Like you'd see on the BBC when some spotty kid had done something mildly impressive.. TL;DR; When are you doing a Psion video!
Always wanted one of these, friend from school had a microdrive and I was blown away by how fast it loaded games.
I had an Opus 3.5 inch floppy coupled to a Romantic Robot Multiface 3 on the side of a DK'Tronics keyboard. It was a monster! (I also modified it to give composite video out so I could plug it into a monitor.) I could dump running programs to the aforementioned disk. Great for loading Elite without the annoying and often indecipherable Lenslock copy protection, amongst other things.
i had a romantic robot multiface +3 as well (still have it), load a game slowly from cassette, the dump it to 3" floppy, also great for cheating in games (you could find cheat codes in mags), +3 games were expensive compaired to the tape versions, i remember buying a pack of amsoft 3" floppys from "index" for £30 catalog #570019 ah good days load a pre saved snapshotted game in 10 seconds, get so far save it in case you "died", i even had (still have) the videoface (a digitiser)
Lenslock - the most dumb idiotic thing ever invented lol
Ahh, the Wafadrive I had access to was replaced a +D. 3.5" floppy drive and a muliface like snapshot button. I used load the cover tape games, then snapshot them to floppy. The best add-on the Spectrum ever got!
My Dad had similar, called a Microdrive. I had to make do with casettes as a wee nipper
Thank you very much for the piano lounge music and Wafadrive retrospective... I was suitably relaxed (Friday here... @ work... ha ha) and informed about a storage device I couldn't afford in its heyday. Cheers! 😁
I think the Wafadrive had some merits for early software production on the platform, but in the long run it was the serial port supplied by the Interface , and later included as a standard feature in the Amsrad 128 that was the real victor
i think this is my favourite RUclips channel right now, thanks for the great video.
Thanks Zed
I was more than a little shocked when you decided to just tear into the wafer, *before* even checking if you could wipe/reformat the tape and test if you could at least store fresh data on it.
Then I was further disappointed when instead of carefully putting it back together to try the above test, you just ripped its guts out!
I love your stuff... but this kind of behaviour comes dangerously close to barbarism, my good sir. ;)
4:08 21Kb of storage... That's about the size of a blank Microsoft Word document these days!
I'd never heard of that till today, and I've been gaming since 1982 lol
I am about to eat that one last wafer thin mint lol! I have just snagged one of these Rotronics devices, boxed with a bunch of wafa's. I have always wanted one, way way back when I had a rubber-keyed 48k spectrum (my first computer).
Opus released the discovery 5 1/4 floppy disk drive for the zx spectrum and if memory serves fuller did an after market system.
Love your videos keep up the good work from an avid spectrum owner and retro collector.
With very old audio tapes I notice the tape loses particles on 1st play and fowls the heads, so I play the tape once fully, clean the tape machine heads, and on next play the sound is clear again.
when i was a kid i used to lust after these fast load devices, even then i was in the radio ham club and a total electronics nerd, so i and a couple of old boys in the club built our own what we did was use high quality micro cassettes and a multiface(for the snapshot), you would flick a switch on it for record mode press snapshot on multiface then dump the rom to the tape, once recorded the switch was flicked to play mode and you loaded in as normal only faster, it it recoded at one speed but played at another, which was a function of micro cassettes, normally the slower speed mode was used to get more space on the cassette but we hacked it to play and record at differing speeds, and it worked it reduced load times quite a bit but was really finicky the azimuth was a pain to set up, i was always surprised no one was playing with speed loading at the time of course now we have internet, it seems others did have similar ideas with varying results.
Hi there, Retro! Love these old obscure storage methods! Have you heard of a device that records data onto a _video_ cassette? I seem to remember that they could store several megabytes at a time when a few hundred 'K' would be considered a lot. I believe it was made for the Amiga, but can't remember.
You are correct that there was a VHS based backup system for the Amiga; i had one of those myself, however it was quite fiddly in my experience - or maybe it was just that my VHS machine was a bit long in the tooth. Either way, the system, aptly titled 'Video Backup System', was not meant as a day-to-day storage system, but solely as a backup device.
I found some info on it: www.hugolyppens.com/VBS.html I believe this is the producer of the hardware/software. Their "unbiased" opinion is:
"The Video Backup System Amiga (VBS) lets you connect a VCR to your Commodore Amiga computer and turns it into an extremely reliable and affordable backup device."
LOL!
The wafadrive was much more reliable than the microdrive. I had both. The wafadrive had the parallel interface which is why i bought it you could copy tapes to it, but i cant remember how.
I still have my Wafadrive in a well-preserved box.
After reading a positive review in a German mag called Happy Computer I spent my hard-earned tutor wages on one.
I soon found out that the review had omitted an important fact:
The Wafadrive system eats away some 4 kB of memory which does little for compatibility.
Luckily the Multiface supported it so loading games from Wafadrive was possible after giving the game the Multiface's magic button treatment.
The wafas themselves were not reliable IIRC. The first time you used them put some strain on the medium and I resorted to saving games twice on a wafa just to be sure.
Maybe that is a feature of my Wafadrive, I don't know.
I moved on to the beastly Opus Discovery soon, sacrificing even more tutor's wages in the process. 😅
Neat! I have only heard of these from books and occasionally magazines from the time period here in the US, though, I guess from the video they're pretty rare over where you're at too.
I’m pretty sure the Rotronics Wafadrive started out at around £129, then £99 and finally £49, near the end. It’s mechanism was made by BSR (Birmingham Sound Reproducers), the same people that made the mechanisms for the Sinclair ZX Microdrive, although they were different designs. Also it well predates the Amstrad FDD drive. I had one with a few carts and the supplied Spectral Writer word processor. Like the Microdrive the tape in a Wafa would stretch with use and reformatting would see it’s storage size increase, although errors would increase too.
I bought mine for £15 as many people did when they sold them off and you are right it was spectral writer and not tasword that came bundled.
I so wanted one of these when they came out, but being a teenager I didn't have the cash. Wonderful little device
Good video I have a Quick drive in my C64 collection. didn’t realise is was the same drive mech and media as the wafadrive tho. There was a company in the 90's called Bull electronics and they where selling the Quick drives off at five for £1 as project boxes for electronics enthusiasts, that’s where mine came from. I may have a spare wafa if its compatible you should be able to reformat it to work on your wafadrive.
I bought a Wafadrive and used it for ages until one day it just stopped responding and I ended up buying a Microdrive. I still have the Wafadrive in my loft with a few tapes.
Someone tried to sell me one of these so I took on loan but didn't buy it. Seemed to work okay, but I tried to do something and it was clear that it wasn't going to get the support of the official microdrives, so I stuck it out and got the microdrives. I remember my mum saying "if it isn't what you want, don't buy it", the way that only mothers would.
I bought a Sinclair Microdrive when they first came out. The dealer sold me a partially boxed one with no instructions and (I discovered later) without the essential utilities tape, although there was a slot in the packaging for one. I very soon found out it was no use for what I wanted, loading games in more quickly. Being a newb I didn't realise you could not just copy games onto the microdrive wafers. I soon sold it on, at a considerable loss.
Not that long after I bought a CPC 464, then disk drive and printer, and had a lot more fun because games were available on disk and with a plug in box, could be transferred from ram onto a disk. Elite used to load on about 45 seconds compared to around five and a half minutes on Spectrum, and even longer on the C64 (someone told me twelve and a half minutes). There was also the added advantage, not often used in the early days, of disks having more levels than the tape versions, such as Roland in Space.
You can copy from tape to Microdrive, but it isn't particularly straightforward and you need to know what you're doing.
There was a couple of snapshot devices made, like the Multifaces from Romantic Robot Ltd, that could very easily make copies of Speccy cassette games to microdrives and wafadrives, for much faster loading.
Now I'm wondering why the idea of just using 8 tracks as a storage medium never caught on. I imagine it'd make accessing multiple files easier, and the equipment would probably be cheaper since the medium had been around for so long already. Not unlike how some companies repurposed plants for manufacturing black-and-white TVs to make monochrome monitors.
Yes, that's how I tended to dispose of tapes (I must shamefully admit), usually in a state of extreme fury after it jamming the cassette drive and not unusually spewing tape around the inside of the Sierra in the ensuing battle. Out you get, you ______
0:41 Tornado Low Level from Vortex Software!
TLL great game
Very interesting video, but the background music drove me crazy.
I still have my Wafadrive in a well-preserved box.
After reading a positive review in a German mag called Happy Computer I spent my hard-earned tutor wages on one.
I soon found out that the review had omitted an important fact:
The Wafadrive system eats away some 4 kB of memory which does little for compatibility.
Luckily the Multiface supported it so loading games from Wafadrive was possible after giving the game the Multiface's magic button treatment.
The wafas themselves were not reliable IIRC. The first time you used them put some strain on the medium and I resorted to saving games twice on a wafa just to be sure.
Maybe that is a feature of ma Wafadrive, I don't know.
I moved on to the beastly Opus Discovery soon, sacrificung even more tutor's wages in the process. 😅
In other words... a 8 track alike mechanism for loading programs and/or data.. clever!
I've still got one of these.
Legit tape disposal protocol.
I never knew this even existed for the Spectrum until now but obviously it would've cost a bomb back in the day.
The thing was that cassettes were largely reliable, unless they were massively abused, and if you used good cassettes and multiples copies (from the source) loading issues were rarely a problem, other than being bloody slow.
I used to do the old loading trick of counting the load time, applicable to any 8-bit cassette loading system, on my Casio F-91W watch, and then setting a count down timer to know when to return to the computer after setting a cassette to load.
Nice bit of odd-bod tech that cassette system.
I wonder how well the ports on the back work. £15 was a really good price for serial and parallel ports for the spectrum. Be interesting to see it transfer files over a serial or parallel port from a pc or something.
I used to have one, but when I built a 6ch sound card and voice synth expansion I used the expansion plug and cable from the Wafer Drive.
Always wanted one of these!
Later tape formats abandoned the loop in favour of 2 way serpentine - and TBH, wasn't sure if the internal layout was going to be 8 track style or ripple packed
Can we see inside of the drive?
I would kill for a punch card thingy for my Amstrad.
Wow that's like an 8-track tape, but smaller.
it's adorable. like a tiny 8-track.
After the wafadrive was a failure and the company rotronix went under, the old stock was sold off cheaply. I picked up one of these for less than 20 quid in the hope of a bargain...only to be disappointed and quickly realised why it failed. To say it was quite unreliable would be an understatement. Happy teenage memories though, thanks!
I is like an 8-Track cartridge also used on the SINCLAIR QL.
It is. The QL had the Sinclair Microdrive shown on the leaflet so a very similar Stringy Tape technology
How on earth does this channel have only 43k subs?!
I'm curious about that 5 1/4 disk there. You show us the back side twice makes me wonder what embarrassing phrase is written on the front.
That's a homebrew remake of Akalabeth for the C64. And definately not Sam Fox strip poker.
Oh I dreamed of owning one of these or a disk drive that used to be advertised. Can't remember the name of that: Began with 'O' I think. *Edit* Opus Discovery
Can't you just replace the tape in the wafer, using the old leader to allow the start of tape detection to work? Is it even the same width as "normal tape"? If you _could_ swap it out, are you able to then format it to make it usable?
It's 1.8mm wide and described in the gumph as video tape as opposed to audio tape quality, without elaborating on the exact specifications which would have been nice to know
Grab a ruler and knife and crack open a video.... :) Does it have a format option though? I'd imagine not and that all tapes come pre-formatted. I'd imagine finding another tape would be harder than finding hen's teeth in rocking horse poo.
My friend had one in the 80's. It was atrocious. The system vars it used were put in a part of memory that was used for most 16K game's menu and player select routines, so they crashed instantly. The WafaDrive was also very noisy as I recall.
I had one of these which I bought cheap after the company went bust and they were trying to get rid of them. It was a nice idea, but I found mine was very unreliable. I got a few 128K wafers with it, but most of them had the bad sector problem shown here, even then (mid 80's). I spent quite a lot of time getting games moved onto the wafers, but of course, with it stealing some of the RAM that meant you could only transfer games that used less than you had available, and most games used all 48K and custom loaders which needed to be converted, a time consuming and messy business!
Seems all it needed is a good tape to waver copy program. But that might have got the company sued in those days.
There is a wafadrive utility wafa you can buy separately with such useful tools. Another commenter has asked if I can transfer data off some old wafa's for them, so I may need to track it down
Nice video! I love weird and forgotten media.
Wow, This stuff NEVER reached us in Australia thank goodness. This looks like it took a lot of cues from the 8-Track tapes, but since it only required 1 track they could make the tape "skinnier" than an 8 track, hence they probably were prone to stretching which screws up the wow & flutter characteristics in a regular tape, so you can only imagine what it did to your data.
They would've been better off copying the magnetic wire recording devices of the 60's era, it wouldn't have stretched as badly.
I love the comment at 6:20 - Hehehe, I have seen a few in my time. :)
Amazingly informative as ever !! Loved the tape disposal comment ;o) Great stuff :o)
Interesting. I knew and had the Microdrives, but never heard about this device (that looks pretty much as a microdrive, I mean, a cassette disguised as a disk).
Great stuff. Interesting hardware.
Nice machine :D I hope that you tried to record something else on it before you destroyed it. Could it be that the old data were just too faded? Glory to the cave!
I did indeed, the wafa was beyond resurrection. Another commenter has asked me to transfer data off their old wafas so that could be a fun follow up
First time I've ever heard of it. I do wonder what else have we not seen yet hidden into obscurity.
I had myself one of them along with a DKTronics keyboard. They both were great. I miss the simplicity of the Spectrum but love the speed of my PC!
That was a pretty swish setup you had there
You say, "dead wafa" and I picture an apocalyptic scenario involving zombie storage media.
Good luck in your on-going hunt for some working wafers Neil, especially considering the slightly rude response you got to your request in a certain facebook group I shan't mention.
Heh yes that was quite a surprising reply...Thank you and please!
;)
I bought one from Logic for the sum of £15.. they bought all their bankrupt stock.. mugsy was a game on it.. problem with the OS taking memory it cut the number of games you could use.
JSWII could mean Jet Set Willy 2, the second release of a popular ZX Spectrum game.
JORGETECH Jorge it could, but 1k seems a little small. Not that we should entirely trust it with its bad sectors
I seem to recall Sinclair user published a type in patcher that rearranged some of the rooms in JSW. I wonder if the 1k program is that and the guy who typed it in just named it JSW2 as a kind of joke?
It's sad: it seems that stringy-floppy storage might really have worked on the Spectrum had the Microdrive's design been more like that of the WafaDrive...
Don't underestimate the punch tape machines😉
Nice video, i feel i should be in Starbucks drinking a Latte with that music ;-)
Alwas wndered wha he intended market for these devices are, and how many manufacturers were making tapes for it?
I had one, I think I bought mine as they were being sold off. I could never find 128kb tapes only 64kb so essentially when I moved on to a 128k spectrum it became redundant for gaming.
I believe the Wafadrive would work with the original Sinclair 128k Spectrum, but I know it was incompatible and didn't work with the later Amstrad Spectrums. I also bought mine when they were been sold off with a heavy discount, and could only find 64k wafas for it.
Never had a Spectrum - hated the keyboard and the way you had to program it.
I have 30+ wafers here along with the drive unit. I would like to somehow preserve/archive the contents of any surviving wafer carts but have no idea how to do it! I have also posted on the wos spectrum forums about it. did you ever try backing up or moving data around with this bit of hardware?
Loading from Wafadrive and then saving stuff to other media seems to be your only option.
I used my unit mainly with a Mulitface for backups of tapes.
Always wanted one of these, but, the lack of software meant we never got one
I'd like to see Beta Disk/ TR-DOS.
As an American, I've always wondered why people from the UK say Zed instead of Zee for the letter Z. I'm not trying to be judgmental, I'm just curious as to why.