So Yoochan is getting 6 to 1, give or take, (1/6 =.17) on the turn and hes roughly 16% give or take. Seems like Neme nailed the number. Maybe $400- $500 more. Doesnt seem bad to me
Is there an argument for Yoochan moving in on the turn? Blocking strong value, fold out some small pairs, deny equity to some straight draws, and still have outs if he gets called?
The problem is that he wants to keep Neeme's low-equity bluffs in, and even more so with the Ad. And, the better hands that he could get to fold would be 44/33. Where we do not even really know whether Andrew calls with them preflop. 77-TT may prefer checking over block-betting. Calling River > shoving Turn. If I should guess.
It didn't cost Andrew ultimately, but you can see how it plays out if he bets a little bit more on the turn; Yoochan still will call with his nut flush draw, and then on the river he's really going to have to call no matter what the river is.
If Andrew puts Yoochan on an overpair or AKo/AQo with the Ace of Diamonds, he can't bet much more than 20% because the King of Diamonds takes out so much of Yoochan's 3-betting while strongly hitting the CO's 3-bet calling range that would raise after post-flop. C-bet by Yoochan looked weak too, so suited faces are out and obviously Andrew has the diamond 10. Calculate Yoochan's equity and you'll see he can't call much more than $4,300 in that spot given previous streets, which were kinda breezed over.
You say it's hard to find bluffs for Neeme, but why wouldn't he just bluff-raise the flop with some random overcards like Sydenstrycker did by floating in your last video? I think you guys should pay a lot more attention to preflop and flop action, because now your range estimates vary randomly all over the place between videos and it's hard to understand why.
I could get behind Yoochan calling an overbet shove holding the Ace of diamond as he blocks the nuts and an overbet shove would be polarizing. But with Neeme's SPR being .5, that's a value shove.
I think stating that the flop was standard etc etc is a over simplification (quite significantly). SB should be checking this board a significant amount of the time, and when he does bet it should be large. B should basically never raise in position in these positions (100 bb deep) - not sure how deep they are. Although I get it, A high called, wtf lets talk about the river decision. But if anyone wants to try and learn. The flop play here is huge and mistakes were made. The sizing of the flop Cbet is definitely wrong. Against a normal sizing, B should never raise. Against this sizing would be intersint to see what an optimal strategy would eb.... I don't know the answer. But I do think it would be intersting to get into. Personally I think it would be more intersting than talking about someone donking off a stack with A high. (apologies, Calling with A high is a way better title than the intricacies of flop bet)
SB should be check-calling here for sure against the CO. All kinds of flopped sets, two-pair, draws galore. C-bet looks too small for a lot of suited hands and generally just looks so weak OOP. King of Diamonds was a brutal card for SB given pre-flop 3-bet and small c-bet.
So Yoochan is getting 6 to 1, give or take, (1/6 =.17) on the turn and hes roughly 16% give or take. Seems like Neme nailed the number. Maybe $400- $500 more. Doesnt seem bad to me
Neeme has the choice between his bet size and moving all-in. - Given both player's overall ranges, betting small makes way more sense.
Is there an argument for Yoochan moving in on the turn? Blocking strong value, fold out some small pairs, deny equity to some straight draws, and still have outs if he gets called?
maybe, if he's calling on the river no matter what. same result.
The problem is that he wants to keep Neeme's low-equity bluffs in, and even more so with the Ad. And, the better hands that he could get to fold would be 44/33. Where we do not even really know whether Andrew calls with them preflop. 77-TT may prefer checking over block-betting. Calling River > shoving Turn. If I should guess.
It didn't cost Andrew ultimately, but you can see how it plays out if he bets a little bit more on the turn; Yoochan still will call with his nut flush draw, and then on the river he's really going to have to call no matter what the river is.
If Andrew puts Yoochan on an overpair or AKo/AQo with the Ace of Diamonds, he can't bet much more than 20% because the King of Diamonds takes out so much of Yoochan's 3-betting while strongly hitting the CO's 3-bet calling range that would raise after post-flop. C-bet by Yoochan looked weak too, so suited faces are out and obviously Andrew has the diamond 10. Calculate Yoochan's equity and you'll see he can't call much more than $4,300 in that spot given previous streets, which were kinda breezed over.
You say it's hard to find bluffs for Neeme, but why wouldn't he just bluff-raise the flop with some random overcards like Sydenstrycker did by floating in your last video?
I think you guys should pay a lot more attention to preflop and flop action, because now your range estimates vary randomly all over the place between videos and it's hard to understand why.
I wonder if Yoochan is looking for a new casino to call home, my regular will gladly welcome him in.
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I could get behind Yoochan calling an overbet shove holding the Ace of diamond as he blocks the nuts and an overbet shove would be polarizing. But with Neeme's SPR being .5, that's a value shove.
Sometimes it feels like you guys don’t play a lot of sticky/donkey live poker regarding the turn bet. I don’t know
I think stating that the flop was standard etc etc is a over simplification (quite significantly). SB should be checking this board a significant amount of the time, and when he does bet it should be large. B should basically never raise in position in these positions (100 bb deep) - not sure how deep they are. Although I get it, A high called, wtf lets talk about the river decision. But if anyone wants to try and learn. The flop play here is huge and mistakes were made. The sizing of the flop Cbet is definitely wrong. Against a normal sizing, B should never raise. Against this sizing would be intersint to see what an optimal strategy would eb.... I don't know the answer. But I do think it would be intersting to get into. Personally I think it would be more intersting than talking about someone donking off a stack with A high. (apologies, Calling with A high is a way better title than the intricacies of flop bet)
SB should be check-calling here for sure against the CO. All kinds of flopped sets, two-pair, draws galore. C-bet looks too small for a lot of suited hands and generally just looks so weak OOP. King of Diamonds was a brutal card for SB given pre-flop 3-bet and small c-bet.
And the river call solidifies Andrew’s turn sizing. It’s wild out there @AndrewNeeme