Handling Big Stained Glass Panels V049
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- After finishing the install of the "Dance Of Life" Panels earlier this year, I thought it might be helpful to others who build large stained glass panels to se how we solved many issues. This includes, needing to turn large panels over several times while building them and also transporting them.
I was holding my breath watching you two carry those beautiful panels into the house! Thanks for the tip on the reinforced plywood to lighten the load!
Our pleasure!
Just want you to know that I held my breath for the first 5 minutes! Wooo, that was incredible! Love your channel, and just subscribed!
That first one was poorly supported, we got better as we went along. This is true a lot of times, you don't get good until you've tried and practiced.. 🙂🙂🙂
Thanks for making this video! You have reinforced what I was already thinking about a couple of panels I am planning. Your Panels looked great!
And my advice is that you should do as much reinforcement as you can. Go overboard if at all possible. There are other videos on reinforcement in out series.
Excellent information & time saver. I love the road show with tech knowledge & family. Thanks for sharing.
Once we got the board made, it was great.
The best way is to clamp it between two pieces of 3/8 plywood to flip it over. I would all ways keep it on edge while transporting. I would never foil a piece that big
We only do copper foil windows because they are so much stronger than lead came and we can solder re-strip inside of the solder joints as we did with this panel.
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I do that also , even 1/4 inch plywood will work , I also add a wood ledge , doing this you can handle it by yourself if needed
@@GommStainedGlass I don't understand how your reply relates to Skeetszoid's excellent suggestion of using plywood to stabilize the glass when flipping. I would also suggest using a frame of wood, angle iron/angle aluminum to stabilize (or go with thicker plywood) such a large structure for flipping. I understand drywall is a great choice for heat dispersion and fire resistance but for a flip.....????
@@waitercheckplease If you watch the entire video, you'll see that we did build a reinforced plywood panel and used it to move some of the large panels as we got more experienced.
That's exactly how I'd have done it. Two pieces of three ply would have been plenty strong enough. BTW, there's a restaurant in NY that I saw a photo of with a vast foiled canopy over the entrance. It's strong stuff.
David. Just completed a similar sized panel. After the first solder I slid a piece of ply underneath and slide 2 sheets of compressed cardboard, the type used as underboard for lamenated wood floor boards, on top of the ply. I then did the same over the soldered face and screwed the ply together from the bottom so that I could unscrew it easily after flipping the panel over. the compressed cardboard acted as a cushion. I had my son with me the first time we flipped it over but after that I have turned the panel a few times later on my own using this method. I simply lifted tfrom the panel up to a vertical position and then lowered it gently from the center.
I just saw your comment, very good method you used. I keep my two plywood units on top of the big bench so that it's not in the way and handy to use in the future.
That is beautiful,I love stained glass
Make sure you watch the install of the entire video. ruclips.net/video/HSRkmtQUPcs/видео.html
always great info, I got you on my ones to watch, John from Ga
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So AMAZING and. BEAUTIFUL!....."
Thanks, we really love the completed project.
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The last large window I did I had to solder temporary rebar so I could flip the 12x4 ft window. I usually sandwich them like you're doing. Being 5.4 and 108 there is no way I can ever do them alone.
Shereen Timmerman That sounds like a HUGE undertaking. I really like using the thin ribbed plywood panels we created to do panels while we were working on this project. I never want to just build on a sheet of drywall on a large project again!
A better way of doing this is to put another supporting piece to plywood on the opposite side once it’s down. Then you can turn it around with support.
I’ve built a 13’ x 5’ radius panel and had to install it 15’ up in a existing awning transom 75 miles away from my studio. I swore I’d never do one that large again. I usually subdivided large panel in wood sashes when I can. Large panels will slump on you over time even with rebar. I just got ask to do 7 panels 975 SG restore that are over 12’ x 12’. Not sure how to do it. That’s why I stumbled on this Video. I’m hoping for steel divisions I just can’t see in the pictures.
At the end of the video we showed a picture of the reinforced board that we developed toward the end of that project. I also showed another couple of panels when we did the airport terminal videos
Remember Laural and Hardy? First of all, a foiled panel this big is too flimsy to handle. I would suggest making it in three parts and/or soldering in a support bar or two down the middle. Also zink came around the outside is required. To flip a big piece, sandwich it between two boards and two people can flip it over easily.
Zinc outer bar wasn't called for in this installation and the esthetics of the design would have been impacted if it was split up. As you can see, the installed piece is perfectly secure.
I have done pieces almost as large. I place a piece of home at on top equal to size tape all around,and then slide and turn. It is so.Much more easier t handle it with my daughter.
Now that we've created two thin plywood sheets with reinforcing, we have an easy time doing the flip.
I just saw your video on this subject. First of all, let me say what a fantastic job you did! I love seeing a video on the the trials & errors of learning! It reminds us of just how human we all are when we are trying to do or create something so wonderful! I thought what you showed was awesome and I learned a lot! My question is about transporting such a large piece. I noticed that it was vertical on your trailer. Can you tell us more about how you insulated the glass on the bottom edge as I imagine there is quite a bit of vibration as it's riding down the road on the trailer? Or how it is tied down? I really appreciate your efforts & contributions to the glass world, Mr. Gomm. Thanks, Kristy 😊
Thanks, we enjoy sharing what we do because we love glass work!
I laid down strips of styrofoam to provide cushion between the glass and the trailer. It's tied down by running bungee cords over the protective cover (drywall or plywood) which holds the "sandwich" tight to the trailer.
Hi David, I felt sick for you watching this - the things we creatives try !
When I do really big pieces I used MDF [compressed board] to nail into as I work and then another ply or MDF sheet over the top to turn it over and transport it -it has never failed me. You may have found it you added some lines going horizontally and reinforced those it would have been stronger - granted they would intersect and need to be cut and yes it takes a while longer but it would have been much stronger - but may not be necessary where it was going to be installed - I used to do windows on the coast in Australia and we get cyclones so I tend to go for the strongest methods. Your customer look pleased - it does not get better than that.
Now that I've built the thin skin panels with very thin plywood and reinforced it on the back with some webbing, I have no problems at all. I am starting to avoid very large pieces because I want to build strong and reliable.
lead panels can be just as weak too - I use zinc H came which you can bend slightly in between big panels and copper reinforcing along lines which you can bend around sharp corners too - it can all be done - I did Australias single larges stained glass panel many years ago and used a bent steel frame that was welded and put behind the panel and wired to the copper solder and lead - it was bigger than a double door entrance - and like you - never went there again - needed a big removal truck to shift it around and my heart was in my mouth the whole time....never again!!!
Thanks for sharing, did you shot video of the project?
I use a top board to turn all my wrk. I wil alone some time and I have RA. It can be quite a challenge
If you watched the entire video then you saw that we ended up using two boards, one on top and one underneath. But it's always a challenge to work with very large glass and we try to avoid it. Right now we have a piece which is a very weak design and we're going to move it on a board so it doesn't fold up as we move it. Isn't it great that you can do your art even with physical limitations!
Beautiful piece of work!! Question....Could you explain/outline your technique for removing it from the “plywood sandwich” and lifting it into place AT the window site?? Knowing how critical the transport phase was, I can only assume how flexible it was to lift and mount it!! Thank you!! Dr Bob Starner
I'm not sure what you're asking, we do show how we put the panels in place at the end of the video and we did so even more on ruclips.net/video/HSRkmtQUPcs/видео.html We have a new video that we'll be publishing in the next couple of weeks that shows some of the creation and install of a large panel.
Stressed, I was tense just watching your video. I love colour and your panel, isn't is odd that someone would even make a comment on that anyway, how rude (as us Brits say!) I make fused glass and just a 2 x 1 box of coasters or plates is heavy enough, take care of you :)
It's easy to be rude on-line, and sometimes it's just the heat of the moment.
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I would install handles at various locations to make usinfg the plywood sandwich easier to move and lift and support as you are dealing with turning and transport.
Great Idea, we find that the reinforced sheet is very versatile and we use it as a table top as well as a carrier.
Why don’t you put zinc molding around the panel before you turn it over. This gives it so much more rigidity.
I do on certain size panels. The large panel video is mostly about how we came up with the under panel to hold the glass on.
WOW! next time keep a second piece of drywall around. so you could have just leaned it into another piece!
Good Suggestion..If you watched the whole video you would have seen.one piece of drywall, then one drywall and one plywood, then 2 pieces of reinforced thin plywood .
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Great video however every clip transition had the glass shattering. First time it happen i truly thought it had broken and was sincerely saddened 😄
That's our standard transition, sorry to scare you
Simply place another same-sized piece of drywall on top, making a sandwich, reinforce with a couple strips of tape, and then flip it.
Great Idea..you did't finish watching the video or you would have seen our final solution! Thanks for commenting it makes us put out better content by reading your coments (we read them all)
@@GommStainedGlass It was painful to watch, and I chickened out, not wanting to see that beautiful piece fold up on the floor. I'm glad you were successful!
It is poor design making panels this large.You may fit them succesfully,but unless they are double or triple glazed,you are just asking for trouble in the future.My worst jobs are having to repair over large leadlight panels.The gas and bow,the cracked glass,all are evidence of people who don't understand the structural limitations of stained glass.I try and encourage my clients to either divide their window frame into smaller sections ,if the frame is being made up to suit the glass,or use zinc "c" and "h" sections to make a multi piece panel.
This panel has multiple re-strip reinforcement along the solder lines running from top of the panel to the bottom of the panel.
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Did you use any reinforcements on this large piece? Thanks so much for all your videos!
Sorry, I see you must have used re-strip.
Yes I did. Several of the vertical lines had re-strip to reinforce them and still it was some what wobbly. Once it was siliconed in the window frame, it was nice and solid.
hi david nice work! couple questions if you dont mind. obviously the panel is very flexible / fragile what happens when you install it into an opening how does it stay firm, meaning if i were to lean on it after install wont it flex out?
also if you dont mind me asking what would it cost me in material (ballpark) if i wanted to build something like that in my garage using copper foil and solder method
P.S. if anyone else can answer these questions feel free to chime in thanks
The Panel is installed into an opening that has an existing tempered glass unit, so if you are inside and lean into it, the art glass would only move 1/16th till it hits the insulated unit. If you lean against it from the outside, you'd simply be leaning against the tempered glass in the window frame.
The rule of thumb that we go by to figure the cost of materials is to go by 10 percent of retail of the panel, so cost would be $1300..that's over 80 square feet of glass for the project.
David Gomm
for installation day. why don't you build a temporary frame as if it is wall hanging,then ,just a thin ply and a blanket would do! de- frame it at the site!
How did you make the glass carrier on you're trailer?
I got some scrap pallet wood and built it to the specs on our Moving and Handling Glass video ruclips.net/video/kYWZuZmaHXY/видео.html in there is a black and white picture of a drawing of our glass rack. 👍
The pallet wood was from a local glass firm so it was large and worked well as a base for the glass rack.
Good grief! I can think of a hundred ways that this could have ended in disaster. Using a second board, or designing a flipping table (ruclips.net/video/nIOzxrKmvm0/видео.html) is a good idea. Nice product, though.
Thanks for the link to the flipping table
The easiest and safest way would have been put another rigid board over the panel and create a sandwich. The smart thing would have been to design this panel in lead rather than foil so that iron reinforcing as the panel is built.
Since we placed re-strip in between the pieces of the glass, the panel was as strong as it could be. There is a limit to the full strength of glass and that's why glass trucks have racks that keep the glass upright to take advantage of the vertical strength of glass. We ONLY do the copper foil method in our studio because of it's superior strength and lack of design restrictions.
I'm curious why did you do it in copper foil and not lead?
We ONLY do copper foil in our studio. I stronger and able to be reinforced internally. It's also water proof and easy to repair.
Why don't you get a large piece of clear plexiglass that you can lay on the piece and flip it anyway you need and see what you are doing? No concern for the work piece.
That might work on a smaller piece, I used to work as a plexiglass fabricator and the cost and weight of plexiglass for that big of window would be a lot, but I may try it on smaller sized projects. Thanks
Why didn't you just put another piece of sheet rock on top of it and then flip it over and remove the top one? Would have been so much easier....
If you watch the entire video, you'll see that we now use two of those plywood panels to sandwich the glass in between. So..great idea!
put another board on top and flip it over sandwiched between the two!!
Maybe you didn't finish the video because that's what we did!
bring a second sheet of wood next to it an just lay it over in other direction.
We built those cool ribbed panels that are light and strong.
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Do you have a Facebook page? Can’t share pic here
I have a stained glass window i need advice with.. thank you
if you email me, I'll be happy to respond...david.gsglass@gmail.com ..by the way, if you read the description in any of our new videos, you'll find all kinds of contact info.
That is smaller than I used to handle big panel of stained glass
I'd love to see pictures. You learn by doing, so we can avoid mistakes in the future. That's why I thought this would be a good video for those who are making big pieces.
Yah this is good.. and thank you for sharing... wo do double glasses production. With 6mm tempered glass on both sides..
And skylights dome too without clear glass
I have one video just search my name in here.
Reynante Bajao I took a look at your skylight and enjoyed the video very much
nice very biautifull
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I think - it"s most stupid metod for turn up stained glass plate. Why dont you use two wood plates?
You obviously didn't watch the whole video because that's what we did later.
Thanks for your comment, we appreciate comments, even negative ones which help us to improve. I recently did a more in depth ideo about flipping over large panels that you will probably agree with..it's at ruclips.net/video/mWDSy7meGxY/видео.html please let me know what you think of this one.
I didn't. Sorry for this "stupid" (word) - but really: it's more easy put the glass between two wooden plates, fix it, turn, fix out - and over. Fast and carefull.
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Why would you ever build a panel of that size in foil??? BUILT W/ FOIL IS WHY IT'S SO FLIMSY!!! Too much color, looks like a church.
Foil construction is stronger and more versatile. Lead construction only offers one advantage and that's speed of construction. "Too much color" is entirely subjective. This is what the client wanted and the finished piece is beautiful.
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I think the colors are marvelous!