Agred. Frost dk in arenas sucks and too easy to shutdown. In bg's its better tho and pve. But thats since its more cleave dmg. FROST DK NEEDS A REWORK. Even more than rogues or dh... hope they see this. Many agree with us
I been a hunter main for years. and Marksmen is like... What old school Arcane mage used to be. Its like, 2-4 buttons. Its just a weird, outdated design, I dont think its awful, it just seems out of place a bit. Its just kinda really un-interactive to the player playing it. I feel like having BM being arguably the easiest spec in the game, it just lends they could do more with it. Mind, survival hunter is some of the most fun I've ever had in WoW. Either way, great list, good luck on the way to 100k =D
I'd put MM in top purely because there is nothing more satisfying than watching the panic in a mage's eyes the second you target them. Its high school bully class catching the nerd in the corridor alone. Pressing rapid fire and while it channels leaving your computer to go and give them a noogie irl. FeelsGoodMan 15 years of maining a warrior this is my payback against mages.
Good video ty for the content but just a heads up, there's some kind of low thumping sound throughout the video, it got a bit irritating at times but nothing major. Ty again!
I find it hard to fully enjoy destro lock in solo shuffle because of the frequency with which you end-up in melee lobbies. It will 100% be my main in 11.0 or whenever we get solo queue RBGs, however. I think Ele looks fun for ranged, DH for melee and rdruid for healer. I disagree with your rating of rdruid as I feel the current strength of hots and grove wardens means rdruid can actually make plays sometimes which feels fantastic!
I was learning rdruid for the first time pre-trents, and didn't rly like it & went back to disc. But you nailed it - the trenty boys give you more windows of time where you can go in and actually do cat shit, which makes it hella fun. Also, as a lock main - in 3x melee lobbies try the & super long gateway pvp talents. It does still require good cd mgmt but if you can avoid being the death for the first couple games, they will often stop going you.
Over the last two weeks I leveled a bunch of alts with timewalking in prep for 10.2. The first 4 I leveled - Warrior Druid DH Warlock. Looking at your Main tier has NOT helped me figure out what to prioritize hahaha.
😂how is subtlety not in main list everyone's gonna be getting jumped in world pvp by shadowy duel and goremaw bited for 400k+crit and its gonna do just as much damage in rated pvp because blizzard still hasn't made dampening effect damage for some reason
Prot paladin is mid ? How is it fun to pve and feel good and then pvp and have 80% healing nerf, 10-50% dmg reduced and 67% dmg taken increased ? Prot is the worst and least fun to pvp with rn, not even any r1 prots and multiglads prot like myself play it anymore because of how bad it is and not fun. Am I missing something ?
Supatease, my man, for the love of god get a pop-filter and some compressor settings! (And move back from the mic some too.) Your volume goes up & down like the sea in a hurricane and makes it difficult to listen to. One moment I'm turning you up so I can understand you, the next moment you're blasting my eardrums with an overly-enunciated word while you make-out with the mic. I enjoy your words & content, but I'd rather listen to a Text-to-Speech bot narrate it than listen to you, and that's solely because of your settings and mic positioning. On a related note, you and Venruki do the same thing in AWC too, the Tournament streams would be far more enjoyable if ya'll weren't screaming out my eardrums every minute. You know how annoying it is when an Ad plays and it's volume is set 300% and it blasts you out? Ya'll do the same thing. With some good audio settings you can scream as hard & loud as you want and it'll stay at the same volume and be coherent, sports-casters figured this issue out decades ago. People want to hear excitement, they don't want to hear sheer LOUDness. I swear I'm not hating and this is just meant as constructive criticism.
Feral has a lot of mobility and cc. It’s burst can one shot with convoke in 1.8 sec. Yes it’s hard and has no pressure compared to balance Druid but it is absolutely fun if you watch snupy he is having a blast. Difficulty for some people makes it more fun. Feral can’t have everything. If you want defensive, remove movement speed in feral form by 50%, if you want pressure reduce burst dmg, and if you want healing nerf cc.
Snupy gets paid to play feral- I pay to play a shit spec, your take is disgustingly uninfomred but i digress. Feral pressure is alright. Even skill capped put feral on B minus tear. Feral is difficult, for everyone. I play this class for 10 years, i know it perfectly well to pursue my desired rating every season, the class design remaining years behind should not be blamed on skill nor does it make it more fun. If i want defensive I should remove movement speed ? excuse me , Dh is not mobile ? rogues are without defensives ? hunters ? monks ? warriors ? which class follows this logic and has mobility but lacks defensively as much as feral does ? We also dont have everything, we got healing that is nerfed and in arena it matters not because = dampening. We got no parry/dodge , no immunities , no casting immunities, no execute abilities, no movement immunity. Am i missing something pal ? Does monk have reduced pressure when he has insane burst ? no ? so does hunter, warrior, rogue, dh, enha and so on. I dont want to hear about Convoke, feral does good in 2s even without it but the game is not just 2s, feral sucks in PvE, Soloshuffle, 3v3 and rated and normal battlegrounds. It sucks so bad that I managed to get 2.2 on my alt with 70 games, an alt that i got 0 skills on. I did this test twice, a surv hunter, sub rogue. How come my alt of 2 weeks performs better than my main of 10 years? and about mobility both mobility traits are no longer baseline and are locked behind 3 points talent pay wall. where you lacking defensives , ofc you will sacrifice them to get the dmg reduction traits. also feral is the only melee that has a single charge of Charge.
@@GrotesqueN compare it to ret paladin because your comparing it with specs that aren’t hybrids. You can’t do these comparisons. Ret does more pressure but less burst than feral, it has less mobility but more defensive, it has less healing and less cc than feral but has more utilities. See the ressemblances ?
@@mortalux why should i compare it to a ret ? but ok lets go rets got the same armor as me in bear form. 1 physical, 1 total immunity, 1 movement speed immunity, Lay on Hands, 100% parry plus dmg return, absorb plus dmg return, 2x charges of speed buff, sacrifice that can also be used to protect you against certain ccs, cc reduction ability, plus a barkskin like ability idk the name of , wings buffing both dmg and healing plus critical of it all. Healing is also stronger to compare it to feral, pala goes on top both in utility, healing and defensives. Its kytable and less mobile at times but has lots of ranged attacks, as for the dmg i dont see a moment where paladins damage goes down in a sense that if you push a feral he has to go bear meaning dmg is off.
@@GrotesqueN ret has less armor than bear form. Sure the defensive are total immune but dispellable compared to tranquility and defensives of druid. Also swaping druid form dispells all movement speed reduction. Feral has thorns, better form of SoV. Ret has a 1 min cd if talented 2 charges of 200% movement speed for 3 sec only. Druid has travel form for 180% movement speed no cd. Druid can give their 20% defensive to allies just like ret can sac for 20% but takes dmg in return. Feral frenzy = wings. Any more ?
Fist weaving needs to go. It’s so dumb and annoying. If it’s broken and the only healer in arena it will wreck this season. Doesn’t seem like blizz cares about balance though.
@@tonyxthextigre lol everyone knows it’s cringe. Fury warrior of the healing world. I mean it’s been complained about the whole expansion. So I’m sure you are plenty happy.
As a returning player excited about solo shuffle and solo rbg videos like this are really helpful when I am trying to pick a class. Much love
Same boat man, really helpful 🖤
Frost dk needs a rework urgently man. It's so predictable on anything above 2k rating, people can shutdown your go pretty easy
You don't have to be 2k to press disarm 😀
@@daethmer7834 it way easier to climb to 1.8k then it it hitting 2.4k on frost dk for example. low rating people mess up a lot
every cd is easy to counter if you are not getting cross ccd.. Like you see a monk pop serenity? Thats right u cc his ass..
dogwater player detected
Agred. Frost dk in arenas sucks and too easy to shutdown. In bg's its better tho and pve. But thats since its more cleave dmg. FROST DK NEEDS A REWORK. Even more than rogues or dh... hope they see this. Many agree with us
I been a hunter main for years. and Marksmen is like... What old school Arcane mage used to be. Its like, 2-4 buttons. Its just a weird, outdated design, I dont think its awful, it just seems out of place a bit. Its just kinda really un-interactive to the player playing it. I feel like having BM being arguably the easiest spec in the game, it just lends they could do more with it. Mind, survival hunter is some of the most fun I've ever had in WoW. Either way, great list, good luck on the way to 100k =D
that crusader diss is magnificent
🥱 ret hate is so old, grow up
“Not gripping me” LOLOL good one.
The enhance shaman/ret paladin disrespect is unacceptable 😤😉 thanks for the video! I liked your Dragonball comparison for the survival hunters.
@@gearandtravelGreat point!
Ret is most played meele in rbg…just saying
I'll just watch all these pvp / tier lists, agonize over my spec choice, then not play any pvp during 10.2. NP.
I'd put MM in top purely because there is nothing more satisfying than watching the panic in a mage's eyes the second you target them. Its high school bully class catching the nerd in the corridor alone. Pressing rapid fire and while it channels leaving your computer to go and give them a noogie irl. FeelsGoodMan
15 years of maining a warrior this is my payback against mages.
*PAYBACK TIME INTENSIFIES*
Shadowmeld, or altertime
Literally had a mage in a lobby crying over a hunter it was hilarious
Most noobfriendly class in the game . And no I am not playing mage.
@@user-gi4mo8tj2mthe fact that hunters can purge alter is absolute bullshit lol
As disc and DH mains I’ve been waiting for this patch!!
the crusader callout lol
A good MW monk is a terror to deal with in bgs and in arena. Its fun chasing melee and having them run from you for a change.
Why would melee be running from a mistweaver?
pouahahah pretty sure he wanter to say ww@@becjed1701
As an enhance shammy main since og burning crusade. It’s time to finally put it to rest 😢. Top tier insights on all these classes. Thank you
great review, good to see you have a fun rating now, which is the best !
Good video ty for the content but just a heads up, there's some kind of low thumping sound throughout the video, it got a bit irritating at times but nothing major. Ty again!
@supatease will be any pvp event on Blizzcon??
Im going to play warrior and mistweaver! Maybe resto druid too xD
Thanks for the raiting Supa
I find it hard to fully enjoy destro lock in solo shuffle because of the frequency with which you end-up in melee lobbies. It will 100% be my main in 11.0 or whenever we get solo queue RBGs, however. I think Ele looks fun for ranged, DH for melee and rdruid for healer. I disagree with your rating of rdruid as I feel the current strength of hots and grove wardens means rdruid can actually make plays sometimes which feels fantastic!
I completely agree, being a lock in the very often 3 melee dps lobbies was damn near impossible to play no matter how good at kiting you are.
I was learning rdruid for the first time pre-trents, and didn't rly like it & went back to disc. But you nailed it - the trenty boys give you more windows of time where you can go in and actually do cat shit, which makes it hella fun.
Also, as a lock main - in 3x melee lobbies try the & super long gateway pvp talents. It does still require good cd mgmt but if you can avoid being the death for the first couple games, they will often stop going you.
I am happy to be boosting a druid this season. Every spec is delightful ❤
Over the last two weeks I leveled a bunch of alts with timewalking in prep for 10.2. The first 4 I leveled - Warrior Druid DH Warlock. Looking at your Main tier has NOT helped me figure out what to prioritize hahaha.
Do you not need to complete the campaign quests on all the alts ?
Go Warrior or Lock and never look back
@@drugbustin not really. You can usually skip all but the most recent chunk of campaign after doing it and once.
@@Shujo578 convince me please
Ahh thanks@@The_Fictionist
Loved this video!!
My choice this season is considering fun only….I picked DH and Afflock and alt Demolock. I just can’t get into Destruction Lock.
The only thing I find fun right now is winning so personally I need something OP LOL.
..... i have been having omega fun on my fistweaver......
Cant decide between surv hunter and arms :DD lack of time i have only for one main.
Votes? :D
Thank you for saying that about enhancement sham, I love sham but I’m so over the complex build and procs to actually do something viable 🙄
u dont need to exxagerate with the augmentation lol... I dont see u playing blook dk either for "long".
Augnentation is super fun to me!
I need more help with my Shadow Priest rotation for pvp
People rly need to choose fun over “This is the best spec so play it”
As a Frost DK I support this message!
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😂how is subtlety not in main list everyone's gonna be getting jumped in world pvp by shadowy duel and goremaw bited for 400k+crit and its gonna do just as much damage in rated pvp because blizzard still hasn't made dampening effect damage for some reason
Prot paladin is mid ? How is it fun to pve and feel good and then pvp and have 80% healing nerf, 10-50% dmg reduced and 67% dmg taken increased ? Prot is the worst and least fun to pvp with rn, not even any r1 prots and multiglads prot like myself play it anymore because of how bad it is and not fun. Am I missing something ?
Went against a blood DK last night in a BG... it took 5-6 of us to kill him. He did 22mil damage and 51 million healing... so stupid!
One cyclone after burst and hes done
Disco time 😊🎉
I just want enhance to be good :(
Low key crusader shade lolol
He has a hate boner for ret he’s been calling for their nerfs since bfa when ret was a joke
Enhancement is so much fun idk what you're talking about
#freeFrostDK
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Supatease, my man, for the love of god get a pop-filter and some compressor settings! (And move back from the mic some too.)
Your volume goes up & down like the sea in a hurricane and makes it difficult to listen to. One moment I'm turning you up so I can understand you, the next moment you're blasting my eardrums with an overly-enunciated word while you make-out with the mic. I enjoy your words & content, but I'd rather listen to a Text-to-Speech bot narrate it than listen to you, and that's solely because of your settings and mic positioning.
On a related note, you and Venruki do the same thing in AWC too, the Tournament streams would be far more enjoyable if ya'll weren't screaming out my eardrums every minute. You know how annoying it is when an Ad plays and it's volume is set 300% and it blasts you out? Ya'll do the same thing. With some good audio settings you can scream as hard & loud as you want and it'll stay at the same volume and be coherent, sports-casters figured this issue out decades ago. People want to hear excitement, they don't want to hear sheer LOUDness.
I swear I'm not hating and this is just meant as constructive criticism.
ark ist the most fun specc ever
I don't think anyone has played what's fun since BC. It's all math now.
Feral is utter trash. Stop putting it automatically above. This is insane.
Feral has a lot of mobility and cc. It’s burst can one shot with convoke in 1.8 sec. Yes it’s hard and has no pressure compared to balance Druid but it is absolutely fun if you watch snupy he is having a blast. Difficulty for some people makes it more fun. Feral can’t have everything. If you want defensive, remove movement speed in feral form by 50%, if you want pressure reduce burst dmg, and if you want healing nerf cc.
Snupy gets paid to play feral- I pay to play a shit spec, your take is disgustingly uninfomred but i digress.
Feral pressure is alright.
Even skill capped put feral on B minus tear.
Feral is difficult, for everyone. I play this class for 10 years, i know it perfectly well to pursue my desired rating every season,
the class design remaining years behind should not be blamed on skill nor does it make it more fun.
If i want defensive I should remove movement speed ? excuse me , Dh is not mobile ? rogues are without defensives ? hunters ? monks ? warriors ? which class follows this logic and has mobility but lacks defensively as much as feral does ?
We also dont have everything, we got healing that is nerfed and in arena it matters not because = dampening.
We got no parry/dodge , no immunities , no casting immunities, no execute abilities, no movement immunity. Am i missing something pal ?
Does monk have reduced pressure when he has insane burst ? no ? so does hunter, warrior, rogue, dh, enha and so on.
I dont want to hear about Convoke, feral does good in 2s even without it but the game is not just 2s, feral sucks in PvE, Soloshuffle, 3v3 and rated and normal battlegrounds.
It sucks so bad that I managed to get 2.2 on my alt with 70 games, an alt that i got 0 skills on.
I did this test twice, a surv hunter, sub rogue.
How come my alt of 2 weeks performs better than my main of 10 years? and about mobility both mobility traits are no longer baseline and are locked behind 3 points talent pay wall. where you lacking defensives , ofc you will sacrifice them to get the dmg reduction traits. also feral is the only melee that has a single charge of Charge.
@@GrotesqueN compare it to ret paladin because your comparing it with specs that aren’t hybrids. You can’t do these comparisons. Ret does more pressure but less burst than feral, it has less mobility but more defensive, it has less healing and less cc than feral but has more utilities. See the ressemblances ?
@@mortalux why should i compare it to a ret ?
but ok lets go
rets got the same armor as me in bear form.
1 physical, 1 total immunity, 1 movement speed immunity, Lay on Hands, 100% parry plus dmg return, absorb plus dmg return, 2x charges of speed buff, sacrifice that can also be used to protect you against certain ccs, cc reduction ability, plus a barkskin like ability idk the name of , wings buffing both dmg and healing plus critical of it all.
Healing is also stronger to compare it to feral, pala goes on top both in utility, healing and defensives.
Its kytable and less mobile at times but has lots of ranged attacks, as for the dmg i dont see a moment where paladins damage goes down in a sense that if you push a feral he has to go bear meaning dmg is off.
@@GrotesqueN ret has less armor than bear form. Sure the defensive are total immune but dispellable compared to tranquility and defensives of druid. Also swaping druid form dispells all movement speed reduction. Feral has thorns, better form of SoV. Ret has a 1 min cd if talented 2 charges of 200% movement speed for 3 sec only. Druid has travel form for 180% movement speed no cd. Druid can give their 20% defensive to allies just like ret can sac for 20% but takes dmg in return. Feral frenzy = wings. Any more ?
MM has to be the most boring spec ever made :))) in my perspective.
Fist weaving needs to go. It’s so dumb and annoying. If it’s broken and the only healer in arena it will wreck this season. Doesn’t seem like blizz cares about balance though.
As a FW main, this post brings me joy. Need more tears to sustain me.
@@tonyxthextigre lol everyone knows it’s cringe. Fury warrior of the healing world. I mean it’s been complained about the whole expansion. So I’m sure you are plenty happy.
What's scary is that fistweaving used to be even better in MoP.
@@Dreampiece. yeah that’s true.
Fw comps are 3 Neanderthals smashing keyboard
I laughed pretty hard when BDK went straight back into YUCK after bg re-assessment lol.