This is by far the best Indian review I have seen . Your honest review has made me consider one of these as a possible upgrade from a street / road glide . When I purchased my harley I realised that you get WAY more value from an Indian over a harley. I just do not like the exhaust note , or the engine look of the Indian. I do like the faring though , it is much better looking than a road glide fairing . I believe overall the Indian is a more superior bike over harley . BUT , there will be more aftermarket support for a harley ( certainly not from the motor company ).
It's a bloody great bike that's for sure, had so much fun on it haha. I do think the indian could be abit cheaper as the finish (in my opinion) isn't as nice but they both definitely have there positives and negatives. It's a hard choice I'm struggling to decide which one I'd buy over the other haha. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I can't stop smiling - what a great review and what a bike!! Holy cow. I actually LOVE the looks of this bike and I'm a BIG Harley fan. I love the whole looks of it!! Seriously!! Everything you mentioned as a negative I'm just like "Oh well, I LOVE IT!!" Now I just need to find some money. I'm so pleased to see this cuz I didn't know Indian was this good!!! WOW! Well done mate.
Thanks mate, really appreciate that and glad you enjoyed the review. It was a bloody awesome bike that's for sure. Glad you like the bike, Definitely go test drive one. It was an eye opener that's for sure ! Always good to keep an open mind with motorcycles. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Very cool review. Your enthusiasm and honesty is great! You've got great content my friend I really think this channel is going to grow. Just keep it up and stay consistent.
Cheers randy, really appreciate the kind words as always. I really hope so mate that would be bloody awesome. I'll definitely keep it up for you 😁 Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Good review.....just watched 5-6 Challenger vids and nobody took the time to show the power windshield in different positions, the 12v aux port in the saddle bags, or the way the toggle through the touch screen using handle bar controls. Much appreciated 👍
Thanks mate, I really appreciate you noticing, I did try and cover everything but I'm sure I did miss some stuff. Glad you enjoyed the review and Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Ive owned a few Harleys. If I'm ever in a position again to buy a bike, it's going to be an Indian motorcycle. Torn between the chieftan and Springfield with the old school front fender. Not to mention that Indian bikes come stock with led lights. Harley is catching up from what I heard. Stock seats are way more comfortable on the Indian bikes. Last harley i owned was an 18 street glide. The first time i did 80 miles in a day on that bike, i ordered a new seat. It was like sitting on a board after those miles. I did 110 miles on an indian sprinfield in a day, and couldve kept going. Was so comfortable.
Bloody great bike that's for sure ! They do look cool and have that classic look. Harley just need a few more cool bits and pieces and they will be far ahead, especially with the finish of the harleys. That's a good point, it seeks everyone changes there seat as soon as they buy a new bike but I haven't seem to mind either indian or harley seatsthats interesting thanks for the feedback & thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Haha it was abit random I might say 😅🤣 it was a great bike but still a harley man that's for sure. Yeah love how they kept both. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Great review. $40 - $50000 gets you a whole lot of choices in the world of bikes. Heated grips, seats and electric windshields etc make a huge difference when doing longer k’s. Always love Fridays when your next vid comes out. Love your work.
Cheers Sean, that's exactly right mate so many bikes to choose from in that price range. Loved all the features this bike had and it rode amazingly ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Another really good review. I think the Indian looks good. Im with you on the motor finish. It does look plastic and like a toy, but, other than that, it does look good. And, this being your channel, and a motorcycle channel, i think reviewing other bike models/brands can only be a benefit to you and your subscription numbers. You're a bike lover and have ridden different bikes before your Harley, so, it makes sense, and you have a good base for reviewing other styles and classes. Also, you reviewing, say, sport bikes, will bring in those viewers, and in turn, may turn them on to other bikes, like Harley and Indian , and vice versa, so added growth to the channel, and maybe more people experiencing different riding. Have a good weekend, and stay safe
Haha like lego nearly ! Thanks heaps for all the support and kind words mate, hopefully do more in the future maybe even stuff that aren't cruiser's you never know haha. I just love being on two wheels so I'm down to do anything. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙 Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Cheers mate, I appreciate the support. Yeah I do agree with you. Something slightly off about the looks of it. The ultimate comfort machine ! You lucky bastard haha. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
So much performance straight out the box.The sport mode is crazy i got a 2020 Chieftain Darkhorse ive only used the sport mode twice. As per usual great review gnarly keep em coming.👍👍
Another good review Matty neutral is tricky to select Harley gearbox far mor positive feel & sound after riding Indians! 1st investment if you bought one is a descent exhaust system to quiet 🤙😎
Good stuff bro, Harleys are always gunna be most cruiser "brotharrs" top pick even if they wont admit it publicly. Ive always wanted one just a bit to costly for my budget. Plus I love to flog the absolute buggery out of my bikes so buy price and replacing/repairing broken bits on a harley or an Indian has held it off for now. Cool to see ya reviewing and riding something different for the channel opens up a heap of different opportunity's. love to see your review on someone's custom built harley in a vid .
100% mate, there is definitely more community and just something about the hatley brand that draws people in ! Hard to beat. That's a very good point mate, I know if something happens to my old girl I'd be able to get it sorted asap. Thanks for the kind words mate and thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
BMW Rocktaine would be another test, love the rides, the cafes, the restaurant and the back roads, love the chats with random strangers and fellow motorcyclists, own a Harley Iron 883 2017, but would love a Indian FTR Rally, Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor, I don’t understand why you should have to just have one bike. My other half said money.
The bmw Rocktane looks bloody awesome mate !!! I'll see if I can get hold of one. That's it mate, everything's you said is what it's about isn't it. So good 😁 They are cool mines, I actually hired a royal Enfield to ride the great Ocean road. It was awesome 👌 anything with 2 wheels is I agree mate. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Hello Matt! My neighbor had a white Indian with tan colored seat and saddle bags. It looked really nice, but like you... I will stick with my Harley Davidson! I liked the wind screen being able to go up and down to your likeness. Perhaps you might like the Indian better if it had an exhaust system on it. I really enjoyed your vlog on the Indian! Good job! John...
I agree with you John I'll be sticking with the harley, more soul and character I think ! I'd love to hear one with an exhaust system on it though would be cool. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Good to see you riding something different bud , in the background at the dealers there's an older black rocket 3 touring I've been looking at, be interesting to see you take that out and what you would think of the 2.3 ltr triumph 😊, loving the indian Bro
Thanks mate, I appreciate the support ! It was cool to try something different, and it was an awesome bike. Oh man I'd bloody love to review a rocket 😅 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Lots of nice features and tech on the Indian, but I’m just not a fan of how they look. I haven’t quite put my finger in what it is, maybe the curved gas tank… 🤔. For my personal taste, Harley and Triumph have the best aesthetics.
Definitely some awesome features, hahaha it is a weird one I like half of it but not the other half 😅 Good choices mate, I'm still just a harley me untill I can afford a second one 😁 Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Great review again Matt. Im a Harley lover through and through but really like the look of that Indian. Power looks awesome and with a pipe upgrade and cam it would fly. Keep up the killer reviews mate
Cheers Scott, bloody oath mate ! Harley's have the soul and character. It did really surprise me actually, great bike. Very curious how it sounds with pipes and a cam. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
If there was no such thing as harley then I would by an Indian, but with all these mod cons you would still rather have your old school fatbob, good answer outlawman👍👍👍😉
That's a good answer aswell haha, if harley wasn't around. They are hard to beat in the cruiser world. Love my bike !!! Can't beat a twin cam 😉 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
You should take the springfield darkhorse for a ride. I agree I don't like the look of the challenger motor.like the porche motor they put in that harely v rod. I really think you would like the springfield darkhorse look and feel. I have the 2021 model and havnt changed them much if any up to the 2024 modle. The handling and power on my bike is incredible.other than aftermarket pipes there's no need for accessories. I love it.
I'll definitely have a look into that and check it out next time I pop in to sun state motorcycle's. Thats awesome to hear, Indians definitely are great to ride. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I dont mind the Indians, i think there awesome with there little touches like the central locking and power windshield. One thing i dont like is there cruise control switch should be on the left not on the throttle side. Nice vid champ
I liked it more than I expected that's for sure, definitely a great touring bike that's for sure. Ahhh yeah that makes sense mate good point. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Great review Mate. Sorry I'm late this week. Moving the NZ business, so been flat out. Watching as I work haha. I love my Harley's, I would love to try a Indian though. I do like the look. I agree it does have a bit more plastic. Those saddle bags would be fantastic for touring.
Cheers mate, haha no worries at all ! Oh wow hope the moving is going well. Definitely give one a test ride they go bloody awesome. Definitely cheaper look and feel though. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@@Gnarly_Harley I certainly will give one a test ride. Yes I think long term Id prefer to stick with quality than over anything else. Plastic will crack or break in time.
First time I've been to your channel. So when you did 0 to 100, I didn't realize it was in KPH's. I thought to myself my Challenger must be broken in some way. 🤣
Cheers mate, I'm not extremist harley rider hahaha I love everything too mate ! It's the way to be, would love to own 1 of each style bike haha (the dream) thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I've never liked half naked bikes, it's either full fairing or nothing. I really do not like the front fairing, I think it's a little ugly but do like the features. The rest of it I do like, though am not fond of panniers
I agree , I have VICTORY and would lean hard to the 108 as its pretty much the new Vic , but I have to say look fit and finish of HD is better IMHO for sure
Cheers mate, yeah it's hard to go past they have so many positives but at the end of the day you gotta love the look of it too ! The power and handling was awesome. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Nice review! Totally agree on feeling cheaper. Own a 2024 rg and just test drove one of these this past weekend. I would own one as a second bike for sure but I feel the 30k plus is a bit steep for this bike. Not really into fit and finish and matte paint on dark horse. This should be a 25 k bike. I felt like I was on a sport bike with bags. Also the bars are way to low on this cruiser. This is also a liquid cooled motor but it does run hot and you feel it. It runs at 200 deg when its hot outside over 85 deg. I was hoping it would run cooler for sure. With the stock low bars Its tough to have balance and control when just moving it around by foot. Also scares me of all the issues im reading about and the warranty expiring. Ive owned 17 harleys and out of those 9 baggers and not one service issue since 1993. Im staying Harley. JMO
Definitely agree with you there mate I think if they are trying to compete it needs to have a bigger gap in the price tag... it's nearly the same price as a HD-RG. Haha it did handle great didn't it mate. I didn't notice the heat too much although I did stop or slow down too often 🤣🤣 I did see some stuff about that. Good choice mate same as me I'll stick to harley (even though I can't afford a new one lol) love my old girl. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Hahaha nah mate, but I did have alot of fun ! Great bike that's for sure. Yeah mate, I see that but I need to do more research before I even say anything. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Sounds like ya had fun, but you do on just about all bikes ? You love testing the bike on that same road near my place lol Hey, did ya hear a Harley go past your place around lunch time yesterday ? There was a red Ford ? in ya drive way
Haha cheers mate I always forget to turn it off 🤣 to 7k revs ya reakon Max it out haha ? wanted to change before hitting limiter. I did hit 6.2k if you slow the video down. Definitely does love it's higher rev range that's for sure. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
The Indian, stock for stock, is faster, it handles better, you get a LOT more for the money for sure.....but in the end, the fit and finish on the HD is above the Indian in a big way. The Indian has a LOT of plastic on it that simply looks like they cut corners on, where it looks cheap...where on the HD, even the plastic is usually all painted and looks "higher end" than the Indian. Even the screen and dash on the Indian looks lower grade than the HD. Economically, Mechanically and Performance wise, the Indian smashes the HD, however Quality, fit and finish the HD is quite a way ahead of the Indian. Its all about what is important to teh individual. The Indians have definitely come a long way to bridging the gap to the Harley though...without a doubt.
Agree with everything you've said mate. Does feel alot cheaper and look alot cheaper. Indian needs to hire me for some design ideas 😅🤣 Harley will be always king of the cruiser's!!! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Same mate !!! I'm second hand bikes all day because I can't afford the new ones 😅 love my old girl !!!! Wouldn't sell her for the world. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Hey bro, You looked like a fish out of water on that thing. Regardless of what anyone says, each to their own opinion - but if you want a Cruiser Harley is the way to go, they are alot more than just a bike, they're a lifestyle... Indians are great for the Peugeot and Citroen drivers of the world. I wouldn't be seen dead on one mate. Nothing compares to a Hog. Looks, sound, feel,lifestyle, parts, mods, and the list goes on and on. Good stuff bro, luv the vids - hope to see you back at Sunshine Coast harley next week 😂 👊😎👊
Hey mate, hahaha I know right. Definitely doesn't suit me and I can acknowledge that ! Indian should hit me up for some tips though 😅 Harley will always be the king of cruiser's I think. Hahahaha the Tesla drivers even ? Agree with you in many ways. Indian looks alot cheaper harley is more polished and manly. Thanks for the support I'll be back reviewing harleys as soon as the next demo comes in !!!! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Thanks mate, appreciate the support ! Would love to try a rocket, had a heap of people recommend it. Oooh that could be cool, I've seen some awesome custom valkyries. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
As a Harley guy I am now looking at this bike instead of a new road glide because I will not give HD another cent of my money unless they ended the nonsense they are pushing/funding atm and sack the CEO
Totally understandable mate, I've been watching a few vids but still want to do more research before I can speak on the matter. I know it's completely opposite to their customer base too which is odd. Still love my old harley though 😁 Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Ahhh really ! That's abit of a shame mate. It is alot different from harley definitely not as big of a following and the support wouldn't be as good ? It was an amazing bike though I do have to admit I'd own one but I'm still a harley man. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Cheers mate, far out you must be comfy on the bug ultra! I can see why you're happy with it. I'm very keen to ride a rocket, hopefully can get onto that soon Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I think that if you are going to compare to the Road Glide...a better comparison would be the Chieftan since they are both air cooled. The looks of the engine change and Challenger has an engine more like the Pan America and Sportster S.
Yeah I do understand that but motor wise. The chieftan is the street glide equivalent is that correct ? The main reason I chose this was because it's still around the same price range (cheaper) and it looks like the road glide. Even though it's water cooled I think it's Indians version. But I do see where you're coming from I'll have to see if I can review a chieftan too mate ! I agree, looks exactly like it. Lego engine 😅 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤
Nice review, I totally agree in case of the difference between road glide and challenger. My opinion: Road Glide: - like the design of the bike more - overall the more modern bike - better quality - value retention - love the brand Challenger: - more power - more sporty feel - windshield - locking system - like the brand too @Windprotection: How tall are you?
Can't afford it. All these new bikes are out of the old Joe blows bracket. To dear. No wonder we would love to own one, but just too much money and I think not worth the money.
Same mate, all new stuff is waaaay out of my price range. I also agree with you idk how you can justify basically a 50k bike... where is all the $ gone into... same price as a car ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Bikes are bikes, you don't have to be brand loyal. Ride what you like def didn't like that tapping at start up, actually could hear it until you changed mics. Not for 45k. That would annoy me to no end
That's exactly right mate, I'll ride anything with 2 wheels ! Yeah I could hear the plastics vibrating and tapping together, not great. Yeah I'm ocd I can't do sounds like that hahaha. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
First of all “Gnarly Indian” nope 😂 Indians are nice but I will always stick with Harley first it’s the community that makes it better too also I think the aftermarket has a lot more for Harley to customise and make it your own. Also in that price range a BMW K1600B would be a sweet ride
Hahaha no bro, that definitely won't happen don't worry 🤣 I'd for one never sell my fatbob. Agree the harley community is huge and Aftermarket parts are endless haha. I'd be keen to sus that out for sure. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Think I will be sticking to my older softail and street glide...those Indians seem to go ok but look crap, then again the way Harley is going with 2024 range of tourers give it a couple of years they will both look crap....good review mate
Definitely agree, cannot beat the older harleys ! Yeehaw 🤙 the more I look at it the funniet and slightly odd it looks. This is true, I'm not really a fan of the new look they gabr the street glide and road glide. Thanks for the support and thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Hands down INDIAN has took the crown from Harley. Sorry, but HD needs to step it up. Maybe redesign change your old-school engines to modern liquid cool or something.
The reason why we like Harley’s is they are classic the engines are perfected and you can customize to suit it’s just a bit sad that they have copied Indian thinking it’s gunna produce sales when it’s clear the Indian looks like shit and it’s far better to have the original road glide design that will be the downfall of the company unless a new generation of riders come through and I highly doubt that all you will have is Tom hardy bike riders I no you all wanna integrate into the future but it’s not really working out for yas 🤣
Bloody oath mate, definitely way more parts and accessories and mods you can do ! I agree the previous road glide model looked way better. Love my twin cam fatbob and will not be upgrading anytime soon ! Older harleys have more heart and soul. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@breakfast00club..11 what do you mean love it or take a hike ? Every bike has its positives and negatives. Won't apologise for having a real honest review mate. The finish on this bike and the plastics etc felt cheaper and that's a fact. It performed and handled better than a harley as I said in the video. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@DanY-xr7ch lol did you watch the video mate... I loved the indian. BUT as I said in the video the indian just feels and looks cheaper but definitely performs better. It's all personal preference. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@Gnarly_Harley I'm just shit stirring Matt... I bloody love a good Harley... I'm just stirring the Macho pot about Harley supporting LGBTQ .. I couldn't give a turd either way... this was a good episode bud... good to have perspective
Very true unfortunately, but unfortunately indian had the same DEI policies but as soon as they seen the backlash of harley they have "allegedly" dropped them. Seems like everyone is "woke" these days mate. Thanks for watching 🧡🖤🤙
🏳️🌈 I LIKE THE LOOK OF THE NEW H🏳️🌈D GAUGES AND LIGHTS 💡 AND BETTER SUSPENSION 🤔 THEY HAVE DROPPED THE PRICES OF THE HARLEY'S A LOT HERE IN MISSISSIPPI US ⚧️ LOVE FROM MISSISSIPPI USA 🇺🇲
Yeah for sure mate, definitely an awesome looking bike. Handles great and the power is unreal. Hmmm must be due to everyone going on mate. Thanks for watching from US !!!! 🧡🖤🤙
One of the bad things about Indian motorcycles is you’re limited to customising it because there’s not too many aftermarket businesses that make parts for them like they do with Harley. The other issue with that and particular model is you can’t put bar and risers because the way the fairing is so you’re limited on what bars you want to put on there and could only go with one style. I would say Indian our bikes off the showroom floor and if you don’t plan on wanting to customise it too much, but if you want to buy a bike, you could make your own and do a lot of customising too then it’s better to go with Harley. The only shitty thing about Harley is the CEO and all the woke bullshit that there are part of now supporting all those child grooming alphabet people pushing an agenda ruining the American brand and pissing off all their customers who’ve been supporting them for many years.
Very very true mate, I did do some research and didn't seem to be anywhere near as much support or even close in accessories! Very good point, in stock form I agree it would be great for someone who doesn't want to customise anything, But where is the fun in that !!!! Haha. Yeah mate I can't comment on that yet as I haven't done enough research but I'll be looking into it. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
This is by far the best Indian review I have seen .
Your honest review has made me consider one of these as a possible upgrade from a street / road glide .
When I purchased my harley I realised that you get WAY more value from an Indian over a harley.
I just do not like the exhaust note , or the engine look of the Indian.
I do like the faring though , it is much better looking than a road glide fairing .
I believe overall the Indian is a more superior bike over harley .
BUT , there will be more aftermarket support for a harley ( certainly not from the motor company ).
It's a bloody great bike that's for sure, had so much fun on it haha.
I do think the indian could be abit cheaper as the finish (in my opinion) isn't as nice but they both definitely have there positives and negatives.
It's a hard choice I'm struggling to decide which one I'd buy over the other haha.
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I can't stop smiling - what a great review and what a bike!! Holy cow. I actually LOVE the looks of this bike and I'm a BIG Harley fan. I love the whole looks of it!! Seriously!! Everything you mentioned as a negative I'm just like "Oh well, I LOVE IT!!" Now I just need to find some money.
I'm so pleased to see this cuz I didn't know Indian was this good!!! WOW! Well done mate.
Thanks mate, really appreciate that and glad you enjoyed the review. It was a bloody awesome bike that's for sure. Glad you like the bike, Definitely go test drive one. It was an eye opener that's for sure ! Always good to keep an open mind with motorcycles. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Very cool review. Your enthusiasm and honesty is great! You've got great content my friend I really think this channel is going to grow. Just keep it up and stay consistent.
Cheers randy, really appreciate the kind words as always. I really hope so mate that would be bloody awesome. I'll definitely keep it up for you 😁
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Good review.....just watched 5-6 Challenger vids and nobody took the time to show the power windshield in different positions, the 12v aux port in the saddle bags, or the way the toggle through the touch screen using handle bar controls. Much appreciated 👍
Thanks mate, I really appreciate you noticing, I did try and cover everything but I'm sure I did miss some stuff. Glad you enjoyed the review and Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Nice review , No its time to try a Gold Wing Bagger to compare the three
A gold wing !!! I'll see if I can get hold of one mate, thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Ive owned a few Harleys. If I'm ever in a position again to buy a bike, it's going to be an Indian motorcycle. Torn between the chieftan and Springfield with the old school front fender. Not to mention that Indian bikes come stock with led lights. Harley is catching up from what I heard. Stock seats are way more comfortable on the Indian bikes. Last harley i owned was an 18 street glide. The first time i did 80 miles in a day on that bike, i ordered a new seat. It was like sitting on a board after those miles. I did 110 miles on an indian sprinfield in a day, and couldve kept going. Was so comfortable.
Bloody great bike that's for sure !
They do look cool and have that classic look. Harley just need a few more cool bits and pieces and they will be far ahead, especially with the finish of the harleys. That's a good point, it seeks everyone changes there seat as soon as they buy a new bike but I haven't seem to mind either indian or harley seatsthats interesting thanks for the feedback & thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Love those American made Indian motorcycles❣️
They just keep getting better and better👍
Pretty bloody good mate, I didn't expect that... it shocked me as you could tell haha. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Mate u took me by surprise with this one. Loved the dials up top and the power windscreen. Another good review.
Haha it was abit random I might say 😅🤣 it was a great bike but still a harley man that's for sure.
Yeah love how they kept both. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Great review. $40 - $50000 gets you a whole lot of choices in the world of bikes. Heated grips, seats and electric windshields etc make a huge difference when doing longer k’s. Always love Fridays when your next vid comes out. Love your work.
Cheers Sean, that's exactly right mate so many bikes to choose from in that price range. Loved all the features this bike had and it rode amazingly ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Love the intro music to all your reviews , it really gets you into the vlog , well done champion , cheers from Ballina , [ The Big Prawn ] 🤣
Cheers mate, I try and give a little teaser into what's in the vlog haha. Thanks heaps mate & thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Another really good review.
I think the Indian looks good. Im with you on the motor finish. It does look plastic and like a toy, but, other than that, it does look good.
And, this being your channel, and a motorcycle channel, i think reviewing other bike models/brands can only be a benefit to you and your subscription numbers. You're a bike lover and have ridden different bikes before your Harley, so, it makes sense, and you have a good base for reviewing other styles and classes.
Also, you reviewing, say, sport bikes, will bring in those viewers, and in turn, may turn them on to other bikes, like Harley and Indian , and vice versa, so added growth to the channel, and maybe more people experiencing different riding.
Have a good weekend, and stay safe
Haha like lego nearly !
Thanks heaps for all the support and kind words mate, hopefully do more in the future maybe even stuff that aren't cruiser's you never know haha. I just love being on two wheels so I'm down to do anything. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Good stuff trying the Indian.
May I suggest trying the beast that is Triumph Rocket 3
Cheers mate, was alot of fun !
Oh mate, definitely keen to try that sometime for sure. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@@ogijolic9691 the triumph rocket 3 storm. Its on my garage list
Ooooh it looks cool !!!!
I know right! A fella like me can only dream.
Love the honest review. Not sold on the look of the Indian or the road glide. I’ll stick to my electra glide
Cheers mate, I appreciate the support. Yeah I do agree with you. Something slightly off about the looks of it. The ultimate comfort machine ! You lucky bastard haha. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@@Gnarly_Harley lounge chair with a Harley badge
Haha that's awesome
So much performance straight out the box.The sport mode is crazy i got a 2020 Chieftain Darkhorse ive only used the sport mode twice. As per usual great review gnarly keep em coming.👍👍
Bloody oath mate ! Great for a big cruiser. I'm impressed. I gotta stop using tourers like race bikes 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Another good review Matty neutral is tricky to select Harley gearbox far mor positive feel & sound after riding Indians! 1st investment if you bought one is a descent exhaust system to quiet 🤙😎
Cheers mick !!! Haha wasn't sure if I was going crazy if it was just me or not lol. Definitely needs an exhaust though !! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Good stuff bro, Harleys are always gunna be most cruiser "brotharrs" top pick even if they wont admit it publicly. Ive always wanted one just a bit to costly for my budget. Plus I love to flog the absolute buggery out of my bikes so buy price and replacing/repairing broken bits on a harley or an Indian has held it off for now. Cool to see ya reviewing and riding something different for the channel opens up a heap of different opportunity's. love to see your review on someone's custom built harley in a vid .
100% mate, there is definitely more community and just something about the hatley brand that draws people in ! Hard to beat. That's a very good point mate, I know if something happens to my old girl I'd be able to get it sorted asap. Thanks for the kind words mate and thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I have rode them owned the other brand victory but I just have to ride what I love HD.
Love ya And your gal.
That's awesome mate, I'm going to get around to riding as much as I can, I'm still sll the way harley too !!! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤
@@Gnarly_Harley you bet brother
BMW Rocktaine would be another test, love the rides, the cafes, the restaurant and the back roads, love the chats with random strangers and fellow motorcyclists, own a Harley Iron 883 2017, but would love a Indian FTR Rally, Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor, I don’t understand why you should have to just have one bike. My other half said money.
The bmw Rocktane looks bloody awesome mate !!! I'll see if I can get hold of one. That's it mate, everything's you said is what it's about isn't it. So good 😁
They are cool mines, I actually hired a royal Enfield to ride the great Ocean road. It was awesome 👌 anything with 2 wheels is I agree mate. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I would love it if Harley would add that type of screen to there line of bikes. Great review! Really enjoy your reviews. Very thorough.
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Bloody oath mate that would be awesome !!! Thank you I appreciate that and thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Cool review! I agree with you, I love my old school FatBob too!
Cheers mate, they are a bloody awesome bike the old fatbobs ! Not too big and not too small. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I did wonder what you would think of the big tourer. Nice work mate 😎👌
Bloody awesome bikes mate ! I'm always up for trying new brands and bikes. Was heaps of fun. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Hey mate love ya vids.
Test ride the triumph bobber . Goes like stink and just a pure straight up great bike
Hey mate, Thanks heaps for the support ! Heck yeah I'll see if I can get hold of one sometime. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Hello Matt! My neighbor had a white Indian with tan colored seat and saddle bags. It looked really nice, but like you... I will stick with my Harley Davidson! I liked the wind screen being able to go up and down to your likeness. Perhaps you might like the Indian better if it had an exhaust system on it. I really enjoyed your vlog on the Indian! Good job! John...
I agree with you John I'll be sticking with the harley, more soul and character I think ! I'd love to hear one with an exhaust system on it though would be cool. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
This bike looks perfect and definitely feels not cheap at all! But it's a matter of taste..
That's exactly right mate, all personal preference at the end of the day. I loved riding it ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Good to see you riding something different bud , in the background at the dealers there's an older black rocket 3 touring I've been looking at, be interesting to see you take that out and what you would think of the 2.3 ltr triumph 😊, loving the indian Bro
Thanks mate, I appreciate the support !
It was cool to try something different, and it was an awesome bike. Oh man I'd bloody love to review a rocket 😅 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Lots of nice features and tech on the Indian, but I’m just not a fan of how they look. I haven’t quite put my finger in what it is, maybe the curved gas tank… 🤔. For my personal taste, Harley and Triumph have the best aesthetics.
Definitely some awesome features, hahaha it is a weird one I like half of it but not the other half 😅
Good choices mate, I'm still just a harley me untill I can afford a second one 😁
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Great review again Matt. Im a Harley lover through and through but really like the look of that Indian. Power looks awesome and with a pipe upgrade and cam it would fly. Keep up the killer reviews mate
Cheers Scott, bloody oath mate ! Harley's have the soul and character. It did really surprise me actually, great bike. Very curious how it sounds with pipes and a cam. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Love to take one for a ride. I've always liked the Indians as well. Great review!
Bloody awesome mate, only downside was it felt and looked abit cheap, thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
About time you came to the dark side 😁
Hahaha I'm only reviewing it I'm still harley all the way ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
If there was no such thing as harley then I would by an Indian, but with all these mod cons you would still rather have your old school fatbob, good answer outlawman👍👍👍😉
That's a good answer aswell haha, if harley wasn't around. They are hard to beat in the cruiser world. Love my bike !!! Can't beat a twin cam 😉 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
You should take the springfield darkhorse for a ride. I agree I don't like the look of the challenger motor.like the porche motor they put in that harely v rod. I really think you would like the springfield darkhorse look and feel. I have the 2021 model and havnt changed them much if any up to the 2024 modle. The handling and power on my bike is incredible.other than aftermarket pipes there's no need for accessories. I love it.
I'll definitely have a look into that and check it out next time I pop in to sun state motorcycle's. Thats awesome to hear, Indians definitely are great to ride. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I dont mind the Indians, i think there awesome with there little touches like the central locking and power windshield. One thing i dont like is there cruise control switch should be on the left not on the throttle side. Nice vid champ
I liked it more than I expected that's for sure, definitely a great touring bike that's for sure. Ahhh yeah that makes sense mate good point. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I must say they are a really beautiful looking bike 😍😍👍 I really dig the Indians
They aren't too shabby ! It went bloody better than I expected haha. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Youve jumped the shark
Haha just checking it out mate, definitely sticking with my harley ! Was an amazing bike to ride though. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Great review Mate. Sorry I'm late this week. Moving the NZ business, so been flat out. Watching as I work haha. I love my Harley's, I would love to try a Indian though. I do like the look. I agree it does have a bit more plastic. Those saddle bags would be fantastic for touring.
Cheers mate, haha no worries at all ! Oh wow hope the moving is going well. Definitely give one a test ride they go bloody awesome. Definitely cheaper look and feel though. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@@Gnarly_Harley I certainly will give one a test ride. Yes I think long term Id prefer to stick with quality than over anything else. Plastic will crack or break in time.
First time I've been to your channel. So when you did 0 to 100, I didn't realize it was in KPH's. I thought to myself my Challenger must be broken in some way. 🤣
Hahaha that would of been a shock ! 🤣 sorry for the confusion mate 😅 Bloody great bike ! thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Great to see someone else that loves all bikes, I am the same man. I ride Harley but I love everything with 2 wheels. Great video ✌
Cheers mate, I'm not extremist harley rider hahaha I love everything too mate ! It's the way to be, would love to own 1 of each style bike haha (the dream) thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I've never liked half naked bikes, it's either full fairing or nothing. I really do not like the front fairing, I think it's a little ugly but do like the features. The rest of it I do like, though am not fond of panniers
Yeah it is a funny look bike the more I look at it but man does it ride well !!!
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I agree , I have VICTORY and would lean hard to the 108 as its pretty much the new Vic , but I have to say look fit and finish of HD is better IMHO for sure
Cheers mate, yeah it's hard to go past they have so many positives but at the end of the day you gotta love the look of it too ! The power and handling was awesome. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Nice review! Totally agree on feeling cheaper. Own a 2024 rg and just test drove one of these this past weekend. I would own one as a second bike for sure but I feel the 30k plus is a bit steep for this bike. Not really into fit and finish and matte paint on dark horse. This should be a 25 k bike. I felt like I was on a sport bike with bags. Also the bars are way to low on this cruiser. This is also a liquid cooled motor but it does run hot and you feel it. It runs at 200 deg when its hot outside over 85 deg. I was hoping it would run cooler for sure. With the stock low bars Its tough to have balance and control when just moving it around by foot. Also scares me of all the issues im reading about and the warranty expiring. Ive owned 17 harleys and out of those 9 baggers and not one service issue since 1993. Im staying Harley. JMO
Definitely agree with you there mate I think if they are trying to compete it needs to have a bigger gap in the price tag... it's nearly the same price as a HD-RG. Haha it did handle great didn't it mate. I didn't notice the heat too much although I did stop or slow down too often 🤣🤣 I did see some stuff about that. Good choice mate same as me I'll stick to harley (even though I can't afford a new one lol) love my old girl. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Bro you jumped ship.😂 lol looks pretty tough... thoughts on the Sean Strickland Harley's boycott topic 🤔 if it's true it's not good for harley...
Hahaha nah mate, but I did have alot of fun ! Great bike that's for sure.
Yeah mate, I see that but I need to do more research before I even say anything. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@@Gnarly_Harley legend keep up.the good vids brother take care
Sounds like ya had fun, but you do on just about all bikes ? You love testing the bike on that same road near my place lol
Hey, did ya hear a Harley go past your place around lunch time yesterday ? There was a red Ford ? in ya drive way
Hahaha that's it mate anything with 2 wheels I'm having a great time 😅 haha no sorry, that's when I was out doing the review mate 😅
Good work mate
Cheers doorman, thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Turn traction control off next time you do a standing speed test. Also let it rev up a bit more in the RPM range. These bikes love the high RPM's.
Haha cheers mate I always forget to turn it off 🤣 to 7k revs ya reakon Max it out haha ? wanted to change before hitting limiter. I did hit 6.2k if you slow the video down. Definitely does love it's higher rev range that's for sure. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
H.D tha original Outlaw..😊
Bloody oath mate !!!!
Test drive an indian chieftain and compare it with Challenger.
Chieftain has the character you miss
i did look into that mate, ill see if i can get ahold of one soon ! thanks for the recommendation. & thanks for watching
The Indian, stock for stock, is faster, it handles better, you get a LOT more for the money for sure.....but in the end, the fit and finish on the HD is above the Indian in a big way. The Indian has a LOT of plastic on it that simply looks like they cut corners on, where it looks cheap...where on the HD, even the plastic is usually all painted and looks "higher end" than the Indian. Even the screen and dash on the Indian looks lower grade than the HD. Economically, Mechanically and Performance wise, the Indian smashes the HD, however Quality, fit and finish the HD is quite a way ahead of the Indian. Its all about what is important to teh individual. The Indians have definitely come a long way to bridging the gap to the Harley though...without a doubt.
Agree with everything you've said mate. Does feel alot cheaper and look alot cheaper. Indian needs to hire me for some design ideas 😅🤣
Harley will be always king of the cruiser's!!! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Can't afford the$44,000 plus, for me I'd need to buy secondhand, not sure there's many in my price bracket
Same mate !!! I'm second hand bikes all day because I can't afford the new ones 😅 love my old girl !!!! Wouldn't sell her for the world. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Polaris was not established in 1901
Sounds like a BMW K100 from the 80s like the Highway Patrol used to ride
@MicahBell_1860 felt like a bmw too 😉🤣
Hey bro,
You looked like a fish out of water on that thing.
Regardless of what anyone says, each to their own opinion - but if you want a Cruiser Harley is the way to go, they are alot more than just a bike, they're a lifestyle...
Indians are great for the Peugeot and Citroen drivers of the world.
I wouldn't be seen dead on one mate. Nothing compares to a Hog. Looks, sound, feel,lifestyle, parts, mods, and the list goes on and on.
Good stuff bro, luv the vids - hope to see you back at Sunshine Coast harley next week 😂 👊😎👊
Hey mate, hahaha I know right. Definitely doesn't suit me and I can acknowledge that ! Indian should hit me up for some tips though 😅
Harley will always be the king of cruiser's I think. Hahahaha the Tesla drivers even ? Agree with you in many ways. Indian looks alot cheaper harley is more polished and manly.
Thanks for the support I'll be back reviewing harleys as soon as the next demo comes in !!!!
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Your doing well for a young bloke , keep it up
Try a rocket
Challenge, early model Honda Valkyrie, carb models
Thanks mate, appreciate the support ! Would love to try a rocket, had a heap of people recommend it. Oooh that could be cool, I've seen some awesome custom valkyries.
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
As a Harley guy I am now looking at this bike instead of a new road glide because I will not give HD another cent of my money unless they ended the nonsense they are pushing/funding atm and sack the CEO
Totally understandable mate, I've been watching a few vids but still want to do more research before I can speak on the matter. I know it's completely opposite to their customer base too which is odd. Still love my old harley though 😁 Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Long live Harley Davidson 💪💪💪☠️
Bloody oath mate !!! Harley is on top 🤙 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I went to buy a Scout for a second bike and the dealer just brushed me when I asked for a quote so farrrrrrrrrrk Indian. HD 4 me
Ahhh really ! That's abit of a shame mate. It is alot different from harley definitely not as big of a following and the support wouldn't be as good ?
It was an amazing bike though I do have to admit I'd own one but I'm still a harley man. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Try the sport chief, I really love mine.
Thanks for the recommendation, I might have to give it a go ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Should we start calling your Burt? World's Fastest Indian
Hahaha nah mate, unless I some how end up with one 🤣 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
That looks good but i love my Ultra with stage 2 😊.
Yes Do Rocket 3 next mate you will shit yu self lol i owned the older model...
Cheers mate, far out you must be comfy on the bug ultra! I can see why you're happy with it.
I'm very keen to ride a rocket, hopefully can get onto that soon
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
I think that if you are going to compare to the Road Glide...a better comparison would be the Chieftan since they are both air cooled. The looks of the engine change and Challenger has an engine more like the Pan America and Sportster S.
Yeah I do understand that but motor wise. The chieftan is the street glide equivalent is that correct ? The main reason I chose this was because it's still around the same price range (cheaper) and it looks like the road glide. Even though it's water cooled I think it's Indians version. But I do see where you're coming from I'll have to see if I can review a chieftan too mate !
I agree, looks exactly like it. Lego engine 😅 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤
Nice review, I totally agree in case of the difference between road glide and challenger.
My opinion:
Road Glide:
- like the design of the bike more
- overall the more modern bike
- better quality
- value retention
- love the brand
Challenger:
- more power
- more sporty feel
- windshield
- locking system
- like the brand too
@Windprotection: How tall are you?
You bloody nailed it mate, all the exact points I was thinking. I'm 6,3 mate. I had a great time on the bike ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Can't afford it. All these new bikes are out of the old Joe blows bracket. To dear. No wonder we would love to own one, but just too much money and I think not worth the money.
Same mate, all new stuff is waaaay out of my price range. I also agree with you idk how you can justify basically a 50k bike... where is all the $ gone into... same price as a car ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Mate with the latest shit I been seeing with harley I mite jump ship to Indian.
I don't know the full story so I can't comment yet I need to look into it more. But I will say it was a cracking bike !! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@@Gnarly_Harley I'll DM ya what I seen.
What shit?
@@Freedomone153 google Robby starbuck an harley.
Bikes are bikes, you don't have to be brand loyal. Ride what you like def didn't like that tapping at start up, actually could hear it until you changed mics. Not for 45k. That would annoy me to no end
That's exactly right mate, I'll ride anything with 2 wheels ! Yeah I could hear the plastics vibrating and tapping together, not great. Yeah I'm ocd I can't do sounds like that hahaha. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
First of all “Gnarly Indian” nope 😂
Indians are nice but I will always stick with Harley first it’s the community that makes it better too also I think the aftermarket has a lot more for Harley to customise and make it your own.
Also in that price range a BMW K1600B would be a sweet ride
Hahaha no bro, that definitely won't happen don't worry 🤣 I'd for one never sell my fatbob. Agree the harley community is huge and Aftermarket parts are endless haha.
I'd be keen to sus that out for sure. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Think I will be sticking to my older softail and street glide...those Indians seem to go ok but look crap, then again the way Harley is going with 2024 range of tourers give it a couple of years they will both look crap....good review mate
Definitely agree, cannot beat the older harleys ! Yeehaw 🤙 the more I look at it the funniet and slightly odd it looks. This is true, I'm not really a fan of the new look they gabr the street glide and road glide. Thanks for the support and thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Bro, did you do the 0-60 in standed mode?
Hey mate, no it was in sport mode. I originally thought I did but I remember double checking afterwards 😁 was it slow haha ? Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Why people buy Indians not Harleys is because they CAN
Very true mate, buy whatever you like ! I love anything with 2 wheels 😁 thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Hands down INDIAN has took the crown from Harley. Sorry, but HD needs to step it up. Maybe redesign change your old-school engines to modern liquid cool or something.
It's a hard one isn't it, harleys are abit classier and more quality but you can't beat the performance of this this !!!
Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
The reason why we like Harley’s is they are classic the engines are perfected and you can customize to suit it’s just a bit sad that they have copied Indian thinking it’s gunna produce sales when it’s clear the Indian looks like shit and it’s far better to have the original road glide design that will be the downfall of the company unless a new generation of riders come through and I highly doubt that all you will have is Tom hardy bike riders I no you all wanna integrate into the future but it’s not really working out for yas 🤣
Bloody oath mate, definitely way more parts and accessories and mods you can do ! I agree the previous road glide model looked way better.
Love my twin cam fatbob and will not be upgrading anytime soon ! Older harleys have more heart and soul. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Does it have Android Auto or Apple carplay?
It's fully Bluetooth mate not sure if it has those but you can connect Bluetooth and run your music and calls etc.
Harley is rainbow powered.
Love it or take a hike
@breakfast00club..11 what do you mean love it or take a hike ? Every bike has its positives and negatives. Won't apologise for having a real honest review mate. The finish on this bike and the plastics etc felt cheaper and that's a fact. It performed and handled better than a harley as I said in the video. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Nice bike. But still over priced for a bike that's old technology and design.
Agree mate, I definitely enjoyed riding it but it did definitely feel abit cheaper and like it was lacking a nicer design. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Roadglide from Temu 😂
Hahahaha fair 🤣 although it was faster and handled better ! That was hard to admit 😭
You are such a HD fanboy. An Indian is a superior motorcycle over the Harley. Harley relies on people like you who only want a Harley
@DanY-xr7ch lol did you watch the video mate... I loved the indian. BUT as I said in the video the indian just feels and looks cheaper but definitely performs better. It's all personal preference. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
@DanY-xr7ch I also said in the review I'd own one ?
🏳️🌈 Go Harley 🏳️🌈
Harleys are bloody awesome that's for sure. Under rated ! Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Heard there gone woke, think they’ll be joining Budweiser soon 😂
@Gnarly_Harley I'm just shit stirring Matt... I bloody love a good Harley... I'm just stirring the Macho pot about Harley supporting LGBTQ .. I couldn't give a turd either way... this was a good episode bud... good to have perspective
@jonaqua8850 ahhh gotcha, went over my head ! NO COMMENT 🤣 untill I do more research anyway.
@aussiebodie cheers mate, it's good to showcase something abit different. I actually had a ball on it but still definitely prefer a harley
You want to be “Woke” buy a Harley.
Very true unfortunately, but unfortunately indian had the same DEI policies but as soon as they seen the backlash of harley they have "allegedly" dropped them. Seems like everyone is "woke" these days mate. Thanks for watching 🧡🖤🤙
🏳️🌈 I LIKE THE LOOK OF THE NEW
H🏳️🌈D GAUGES AND LIGHTS 💡 AND BETTER SUSPENSION 🤔
THEY HAVE DROPPED THE PRICES OF THE HARLEY'S A LOT HERE IN MISSISSIPPI US ⚧️
LOVE FROM MISSISSIPPI USA 🇺🇲
Yeah for sure mate, definitely an awesome looking bike. Handles great and the power is unreal. Hmmm must be due to everyone going on mate. Thanks for watching from US !!!! 🧡🖤🤙
One of the bad things about Indian motorcycles is you’re limited to customising it because there’s not too many aftermarket businesses that make parts for them like they do with Harley. The other issue with that and particular model is you can’t put bar and risers because the way the fairing is so you’re limited on what bars you want to put on there and could only go with one style. I would say Indian our bikes off the showroom floor and if you don’t plan on wanting to customise it too much, but if you want to buy a bike, you could make your own and do a lot of customising too then it’s better to go with Harley. The only shitty thing about Harley is the CEO and all the woke bullshit that there are part of now supporting all those child grooming alphabet people pushing an agenda ruining the American brand and pissing off all their customers who’ve been supporting them for many years.
Very very true mate, I did do some research and didn't seem to be anywhere near as much support or even close in accessories! Very good point, in stock form I agree it would be great for someone who doesn't want to customise anything, But where is the fun in that !!!! Haha. Yeah mate I can't comment on that yet as I haven't done enough research but I'll be looking into it. Thanks for watching 🧡 🖤 🤙
Harley can thank Indian for forcing Harley to make a better bike.
Not better engineered than Indian, just a better Harley.