Playing with the PowerVR Kyro 64MB
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- This is just a very simple, low key video about a PowerVR Kyro 64MB that I recently received. I'm taking a break from the more serious content but I felt like putting together a quick little video about my new graphics card.
Platform specs:
Athlon XP-M 2400+ @ 2.4GHz
512MB PC3200 @ 266MHz
Asus A7S333 (SiS 745)
Aureal Vortex 2
Western Digital WD800 80GB HDD
Windows 98SE Unofficial SP3
Kyro v2.01 drivers
Intro Animation By Ken Gruca Jr - Inquire at kjgruca@gmail.com
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Instead of using a plier to pinch the push-pins, just get a pen and push it over! You might have to try a few pens to find one that fits properly, but it's bullet proof, no risk of slipping and scratching the PCB :)
Ah you're right I should try that :)
I replaced these plastic things with
motherboard stand-offs.
I had a bunch of them laying around, and i thought why not.
one acting as male other female. 3 twists on both sides and done, works perfect.
(I did this on an old Vanta and an i740 (Intels first dedicated GPU)
I scrolled down to say I saw this trick from you hehehehe
Thanks Phil, I'm definitely going to use this in future.
If you don't have a pen handy, using the finger nails on your thumb/middle finger to pinch it while (gently) pushing it through the hole also works but can take a few tries.
Dude! Also my favorite technique, it´s flawless
well atleast the card seemed like it was loved and used by the first owner.
I came here because of powerVR g6430 used in lg 3 screen mobile phone. This card is definitely an ancestor.
Nice card, but the paper towel in the beginning was the star of the show.
It's the dimples what does it
That cleaning process is like a stress therapy! Fantastic job!
Great video! Thanks for sharing. I have the same card here in a box but no mood to restore it... until now. 😉. I definitely have to setup this video card. Greez from Austria 🇦🇹
Could this mean we might see some early 2000s-era content on your channel?? 😯
@@PixelPipes haha, not sure. But you are the video card expert from us two so I think I will not make a video. There are some things I still can not understand. Isotropic filter, shadering an all this strange words I can not even translate nicely to my language 🤣. So all those things are a real pain to me if I would have to talk abt it... maybe because I stopped playing games with Doom 1. Glide Quake with a Voodoo 2 SLI setup is already a huge challenge for me 😂 which i recently managed with a cool Pentium Pro SBC.
@@CPUGalaxy If I begged, could we see you playing with those Voodoo2s on your channel? I have an idea I'd like to message you about
@@PixelPipes yeah, i planned a video on that. 🙂
Really liked seeing that fan get some love and care.
I think the main reason why Expendable was somewhat popular, was the built-in benchmark feature. I can't remember anyone talking about the game being very good.
Clever man not showing your thermal paste usage. People would be SCREAMING if you did
Very important for me is that Nathan gives second chance for retired card. Gives it good looking.
Video card: oh no, not again!
I think if you have a bad cap with decomposing electrolyte, and you then let the item sit for a decade, then they might not dome and they might not open either, they'll just find some other way to relieve the pressure. Through the bottom, or if domed, they might just open an invisible pinhole at the vent and call it a day. Then since the cap is underfilled, it may not be inclined to dome up or visibly vent ever again, while continuing to degrade electrically.
How to replace a lost/damaged plastic circlip? Tape a suitable piece of plastic to a piece of scrap wood or something, take leather hole punch and lightly score a circle of outer diameter, then drill out the middle, punch out where scored, use a scalpel to cut it open on one side, and peel off. Also steel circlip kits are an option. Or just don't worry about it, it's not strictly necessary, and you can take off the rotor for in depth cleaning any time.
A case against using electrical tape flat on the motor hub or elsewhere: it loses plastifier, shrinks and unsticks itself with time, later kicking about as a hardened snotty sort of thing, though this doesn't happen in a year or two, it takes longer, i haven't actually had it happen but i've seen the aftermath when opening someone's prior repair up. Packing tape and Scotch/Tesa tape might be better. The correct usage of electrical tape is on PVC wire insulation, stretched, where instead of unsticking itself, it should instead get fused semi-permanently to itself and to the wire insulation and is designed to not fail due to aging in this specific use.
Tessellation is actually a really cool process. You basically start with your model, you define the edges of the mesh in order to retain crisp edges to certain aspects of the model, then you tessellate and it's basically applying a bezier curve across a three dimensional surface and using additional triangles to fill the gap. In most instances it divides polygon faces into like shapes and adjusts the vertices for the new polygons to follow a bezier curve based on the vertices around it. It's a very cool bit of tech and can be used to vastly improve the fidelity of certain types of models if you use it properly.
Yeah, a drop behind the sticker is the jam.
Great video dude. I find these underdog cards really interesting. I recently got an s3 savage 4 to do the same kind of video. In another note I have been successful with the fan disassemble, I did it for my pentium III ultimate retro gaming pc video.
Been looking for a good agp 128 or 256mb card for my retro rig ... is a pain
@@darunealbane yeah it takes a while to find good stuff. In a year looking I have been able to accumulate some good stuff. But only after I met a couple of people and looked online everyday.
@@darunealbane what era of gaming are you after? sometimes it's worth going for a later card.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 early 2000 before pcie .. using win2000 pro sp2 ..
@@darunealbane a 6200 might work well
What about 2 exploded caps?
Nothing. As well on the dfi lanparty board :) PixelPipe is waiting for the fireworks
The portal effect is probably achieved with the stencil buffer rather than render to texture.
Yep. You no need to render into intermediate texture if you can render directly into framebuffer.
CRC is actually a really good product. We use it all the time out here in the Midwest. The back of the sticker is brown from old oil gone from the fan bearing. Put a drop of oil in there resecure the sticker and good to go.
I can highly recommend the Hakko FR-301 desoldering gun if you're going to be doing this often. That, along with a few different size tips, and you'll be very happy. I like the Hakko soo much better than my ZD-915. They both perform about the same, but maintenance on the Hakko is easier and much less frequent. Worth the extra cost IMO.
I'll second that. Expensive, but my word, a life changing tool in this trade
Thanks for the suggestion!
Deoxit is an oil and lubricant, that type of contact cleaner is nothing like it. I think Deoxit works better for some things but prefer the type you are using since it doesn't seem to leave any residue. It is good to have the type you are using, which pretty much completely evaporates, and Deoxit too for different applications.
24:50 It's most likely windowing similar to what the SNES PPU could do. The monolith geometry composes the window thru which the scene is rendered.
The First GPU I brought was a Kyro, I worked In Audio/Visual (AV) at the time, And one thing that always gets over looked is the Quality of colors, especially shades of blue and blacks. When you work in Fidelity you pick these things up.
I borrowed a PowerColor version of this card way back in 2001 or 2 for a week to try and sell it for a friend. And I must say i was impressed with its compatibility not so much for how fast it was, so I was unable to actually sell it because most of the games coming out at that point started to overtake its capabilities. I am wondering if it is because i had trilinear filtering on, most likely so. :( My cousin had a Kyro2 for a while as well and loved it.. I am somewhat changed in impression of it after this many years because of this video now. Its one of those cards had I known at the time, would have probably kept it for my collection at the time.
I like the Kyro series quite a lot, but you were not the only one disappointed with it back in the day.
@@PixelPipes It is pretty much the last time a non major player tried to interduce something that challenged the big guns. And was the last card that truly did something different. I only wished they had followed up on this with the next gen PVR. Its huge efficiency has really never been matched either. Zbuffer and color compression with HSR go a long way but still never matched true tile renderers.
If only they implemented a bit more horsepower to take advantage of all the efficiency it bought them. It is figured it could have used 4 rendering pipelines and still not saturated the cards bandwidth.
@@wishusknight3009 i am using the powerVR g6430 daily on my mobilephone playing brawl stars
@@user-rv8qt7jq3t If only we could insert that into a pcie slot.
@@wishusknight3009 hehehe
The games that came with these cards were one off..
Get flux and alcohol to do cap work. Put flux on the old joint and flow extra solder on the joint. Use a solder braid with a liberal amount of flux on it to remove solder. Place braid on joint then place the hot tip on the braid. It will suck the solder out of the joint clean.
I do this often when i have to liberate something with more pins, but caps, i just flood them with solder and then wiggle them out one pin a bit at a time, find this to be the fastest and easiest way. Or flood and put a sufficiently wide tip right in the middle, they basically fall out. Braid is finicky. Fresh flux on it helps for sure but then it's a lot of individual little steps. It's particularly unpleasant with these sorts of through plated PCBs.
Also have to get lucky with decent braid, some i have just don't work well even when fluxed. Another thing to control is the amount of heat wicked away by the spool, so i cut off a little strip and hold it with 7sa tweezers.
Just got mine 4000xt last week, all caps doesn't aged well, replaced and now it's working again!
I had this card. It was a beast for the price.
The split second he touched the fan I knew exactly what all was about to happen. I had one of these back in the day. Great upgrade over the voodoo 4, but that fan was garbage.
Great, now your wife is gonna turn into a graphics card. Or is she already one? 0.o
If you get a Voodoo 4, you should do that versus the Hercules and/or Geforce 256.
I never had my hands on a Kyro before. I have had a Xabre in my hands though, threw it into an athlon 700mhz windows 98 se retro build for a weird (special) guy so he could play the original Age of Empires II. He loves the voice acting in the game, and I agree that it's excellent.
PowerVR uses tile-based rendering and they still do, Actually, tile-based rendering was mostly used after programable shaders but to this day Imagination still uses tile-based combined with shaders.
noice
Why are these so much more expensive than other brands? Anything Hercules 3D goes for a lot more. I got lucky to find a Prophet II TI for like 25 euros(aprox. 30 bucks). Even the MX series cost considerably more.
Yeah it's unfortunate. Hercules was a premium brand back in the day so maybe that's why
And keep a look at the framerates in the "Serious Sam Museum".
It basically shows what hurts a card.
pesto Q-tips were the best, too bad they don't sell them anymore
I have the pci version of this card. U can really feel the pci bus bottleneck when playing half-life.
They used PowerVR in the Dreamcast :)))
And most of the iPhone/iPad SoCs
Just replaced 2 caps on a FX-5200 it lives again.
Those two big caps on the top of the board look failed.
The old fans stick when the bushings dry up. Spraying solvent does dissolve the grease again it but it's far better to replace the grease.
You could maybe try using controls cleaner instead of contact cleaner, has a small amount of lubricant in it, great for pots and all, although to be honest I'm unsure if it's a good idea or not for fans.
Hmmm interesting idea. I don't see any though. What should I be searching for?
@@PixelPipes The one I have on hand is MG Chemicals 401B Nu-trol Control Cleaner.
@@charlesdorval394 Alright cool. Thanks!
24:41 was probably done using the stencil mask and rendering two different scenes.
I've really wanted to get one for a long time. Never found one at a good price however. Pretty much only missing representative AGP cards from PowerVR, Trident and Intel.
Still more fps than today's cards with RT.
Yay! New video!
The PowerVR Kyro 64MB was one of my most disappointing purchases back in the day along with the Matrox Mystique
Why was the Mystique bad? I was very happy with mine, and kept it for years. it eventually served as a 2D card alongside my VooDoo 2. The Mystique version of Mechwarrior 2 was astounding (and came free with the card) and the 2D image quality was legendary.
I once rubbed the silkscreening off a Rage 128 chip with isopropyl so it can happen
I had a kyro II card back in the day. Served me pretty well before I became an nvidia fan boy hahaa. All my gpus after that were nvidia.
Kyro were very good cards, the main problem is that they never got T&L, which was a big problem after gforce was released and it became a standar needed feature for most games....
I should ask Pixel pipelines , do you play modern games with modern day hardware or you don't care about?
I've been slowly making my way through Doom Eternal lately.
Hercules! Hercules!
When replacing caps use an acetylene torch and mig welder. Hope this helps..
Who here remembers when the PowerVR Kyro 3 was cancelled.
It completely destroyed me knowing that the future of PC gaming would be led by only two companies (ATI and NVIDIA)
Same. It was a really interesting way to render as it only drew the textures on the things you could actually see instead of everything in the whole scene regardless. That's why it got away with sdram when DDR had already become standard by then. But the lack of T&L engine, and programmable shading made the kyro2 obsolete for anyone but budget gamers like me. If kyro 3 had come out with that fixed and even with what would then be extremely cheap DDR memory and more pipelines to enable the features we might have a very different graphics card history than we do now.
But the tile based rendering became entirely pointless soon after as both ATI/AMD and Nvidia started and then perfected their rendering to essentially do the same thing.
I have an old GTX 460 1gb card I think I will do this to. Before I stopped using it 5 years ago, it started to black out every now and then, maybe overheating? I don't know, but will be fun to clean it and put fresh paste on it, see how this 11 year old card runs newer games...
Don't spin the fan with the compressed air, you'll damage it. The fan turns into a generator and the energy can't go anywhere so the fan overheats.
It's a bad habit but it'll be absolutely fine.
had one as as a teen, not a good overclocker though. something with the chipset doesn't lend to any leeway beyond stock speeds. i may have hit 120/120 if memory serves me correct.
The weird blur in the middle is to do with the scaling of the video, I assume your VGA>HDMI device is upscaling it to 1080p or something. 800x600>1440/1920x1080 isn't an integer scale which cheap scaling devices don't handle well
No it doesn't upscale
do u know hot to get terascale working hd 5000- 6000 15.7 16.2 32bit driver is bugged javnt tried 64bit version yet
Get you some hemostat's dude. They'll work much better than needle nose.
What if all I have to clean a fan is wd40 and white lithium grease.
they mislabeled the "multiply blending". that's subtract blending.
Hey I just wanted to say there is a 5800 Ultra on ebay right now with an opening price of $2995.00 or best offer. 35 people watching including me.
Wow. No way it will sell for that.
9:45 The capacitors on the top left look like they are bulged
can these cards run the POWERVR version of Resident Evil?
The Kyro cards do not support PowerVR SGL
(overspinning a fan can damage it)
Man those bulging capacitors were such a pain in the ass to replace on my card.
Also, this card is the worst overclocker ever.
GPUs have feisty power planes, i remember when i had to fix a cap on one something like 15-20 years ago, very frustrating! But i got better and now i don't terribly mind.
heh CRC is industrial grade stuff the homeowner can buy, deoxit is radio shat and best buy ripoff's for 2x the price
what abou caps replacement ? nooooooo (arghhhh)
I see bulged caps. Be careful
Never blow fans with compressed Air . Blow the ass out of the bearing
Around 2004 my new Siluro Geforce 4 TI 4200 died after 3 months because of the cooler stucked in place. It not moved even with a screwdriver. I carried it back to the shop with the guarantee and they replaced the cooler without testing and when i got back ther are 4 wide vertical stripe on the monitor. I carried back the store again but the shopkeeper went a vacation they replaced the card after 3 month later. At summer break i stucked with my new Athlon XP 2000+ and a Only 2d S3 Savage 64 1Mb videocard. BTW the Elastomania ran well. :-D Me and my brother made a small home tournament in it :-D .
I sincerely hope that thing with your wife's toothbrush was a joke.
also, if you clean something, start with the dust, everything that you can just brush off. Only then move on to the IPA and whatever. any dust you get off "dry" will not be around to form a mud with whatever cleaning liquid you use.
I see so many people in retro just shove the wet dirt back and forth on the components, making them look cleaner in the end just because the dirt is now evenly distributed.
Next step: Put on a bigger cooler and test some OC
Just wash it with water and soap, much easier.
That’s not good, it takes away the oil that is needed for the fan.
@@JohnSmith-iu8cj Without the fan on, of course.