The 500i requires an operator who understands it. Dont hit max rpm before burrying the bar. The computer thinks you are limbing and then suddenly its got a huge load. With heavy hands you can stall the chain before the computer adjusts. With soft hands, it adjusts and really digs in its heels. Apply the throttle with the chain already touching the wood and you will see what i mean.
This makes sense and is good information, I’m going to try this. I watch a lot of 500i videos and sawing, why am I just now hearing about this? Thanks!
Very interesting, thanks for the comment. Do you know what the computer is doing/changing about the saw when you wait until the bar is buried? As in what it does to brace itself for a dense load. Cheers!
My understanding is that it uses fuel as a way to limit revs. It makes the 4 stroking sound without a load really bad because it's dumping extra fuel in to slow it down, thereby retarding output. When you burry the bar under those conditions, it can stop the chain before it leans back out to a normal mid range fuel/air mixture. The effect is illustrated quite well on the dyno joe 70cc comparison where he addresses the odd shaped power curve made by the 500i.
I have all three saws and I am with you fellers. Hump that 500 a quarter mile down in the woods and humbolt facecut a 25 incher over top a barbed wire fence. Then you will learn to appreciate that magnesium piston all the more. I agree with all your comments. Very well thought out. Honestly, the weight is a BIG factor. Also the Light bar should be mandatory. It improves the balance dramatically. I have the 25" on the 400c and 28" on the 462. The saws can handle them full wood even in oak and other hardwoods. Speed is important, but there are a 1000 vids comparing speed. You need to make a vid where you are climbing a hill and then handling the saw.
Thanks for the comparison, i have a 391 it does a great job for the 15ish cord per yer i do. Wanting to go with a pro saw in 24 this definitely helped.
Had my 400 for over 2 years now, love it, it's my best saw so far & no issues or problems with it, including no leaking caps. For me I like to have 2 saws with me and my choice would be 462 and 400.
Great video guys! Nothing like some real world testing and non-biased reviews. I hope to buy one of these 3 saws within the next bit so this really helps 👍🏻
Awsome video thanks. I’m looking at replacing my ms461 soon (as the crankcase is very thin after the chain brake snapped , snagged the clutch and blew the clutch apart). I need something for climbing with (for the bigger timber) so your test of drop cutting and dogging in is really important. there is a mix of cutting styles in the tree so the 462 seems a better choice than the 500. i think for a smaller saw, id go the 261 over the 400 for weight
Nice comparison. I think the 400 is the best overall value in this lineup. Does it all and lightweight with the least cost. The 462 is the max power/value, but your paying for that extra hp. The 500 is a hell of a saw just not great value. Personally, I think the 572 is the best overall value for power/cost if being lightweight is not a concern. This is if you ignore Echo options. The question is if the 462 is worth the extra cost over the 572? Depends on your brand preference. All great choices!!
I couldn't decide between the 400 or 462. So I got one of each. The 400, sharp chain with a high raker. Let it eat, don't dog in. I like the lighter weight. 462 has the pull to do what you feel like doing.
My 400C is awesome for allround tasks. Felling, limbing and bucking. I usually run mine with 16-18'' bar which is more than enough for Finnish pine and birch (sometimes I use 25'' for fun). For basic tasks it is agile and very easy to run. Only con is that it doesn't feature heated handlebar for winter use. The American upgrades are pretty fancy and love how they enhance the saw itself (WCS bark fox, Egan felling dogs and WCS foam air filter). Also one last addition is full-wrap handlebar. Nice comparison video between these three great tools. Thank you guys for that!
Great vid. I would make the same recommendations. I own all three and use the 400c more than the others. I humped the 500i down in the woods to fell a 28" white oak and it made it easy, but it was plenty heavy to carry around. The weight of the 400 makes it attractive and it will pull 25" of hardwood.
Great video! I agree it depends on what your main use for a chainsaw is gonna be! I love my 400 with no regrets but I believe the best of both worlds happy medium is definitely the 462!👍🏻👍🏻
When you dog its to help you use the saw to cut not to make it cut faster per say. If you have to power through a knot or make a felling cut where you have NO weight on the saw thats why you dog in. Felling dogs. So on your felling cut or back cut you can dog in. Bucking firewood its not as important unless you hit a knot and need some help to power through. This is why I have found anyways. AND yea the 3 point dogs gordy sells are AWESOME I have a 462 with the westcoast upgrades and its a BEAST. Like wow... The air filter is also awesome.
Great real world test! Looking forward to your upcoming 500 vs 661 video. As someone who owns a 261 and 462, the 500 really seems too close to the 462 but the 661 may be a big enough step up for pulling long bars in large diameter hardwood.
Great video guys. I've had my 026 Pro w/ 18" bar for 24 years. I live on 10 acres in upstate NY. In the last five years or so, I now have hundreds of dead ash trees...thanks to the emerald ash borer. Rather than kill my terrific 026, I'm looking at a standard carbed 462 w/ 25" bar to work alongside the 21 ton excavator with its grapple. Good time to get another saw.
Best comparison I've seen. Talking about what an everyday firewood guy is looking for. Very few of us are loggers, but want the same quality equipment.
Nice video boys. For what we’re doing the 400 is tough to beat. However I will agree with Genin…side by side I think the 462 and 400 are really similar when you’re dropping it through firewood logs. KNL out.
Ive used both 500i and 462, Both great saws. I think the only advantage with the 500i powerwise, is if you're going to be using a longer bar than say 28inch, Otherwise with a shorter bar they feel about the same. If i was going to buy one for personal use, it would be the 462 , haven't tried a 400 so can't comment on it, but looks real good.
Great review, very interesting results and discussion. Im a bit confused about the 28" on a MS400, i have more the idea that the 400 is great with 25" but thats a bit of a limit but i respect that we all have different oppinions. :)
Those are stihl top 3 saws if I were to guess and they are all very close and all great saws I don’t think you could go wrong with any of them I personally have the 400 and the 500 and the 500 is an animal but most people don’t need a saw like the 500! Most people could do anything they need with the 261 but these 3 are if you’re going to get serious about cutting!!
Cool video on the comparison. I love my 500 buy do wish it was lighter when cutting smaller wood . None of my other saws are pro saws so maybe I need to stop & check out a 400 to add to the collection.
Couple of things...in my experience....my 500i has the run for a bit then jt seems to "come alive" running that saw for 10 minutes it suddenly acts like it has a turbo, not sure why. Mine has a bark box and a max flow intake, however I live at 7,500' which is relevant because my 291 barely works for firewood even tuned, its been back to stihl 3x.
G'day 765 Guys, you just need a 200T a 660 and a 881 and you will have the six best hardwood saws on Earth. I have the 400C maximum bar length in Oz is 20 inches market leading top end speed due to the Magnesium piston oil on demand oil pump so it's not wasting oil they've also redesigned the total relationship between the piston and drive to minimise negative centrifugal forces as you noticed . The closest thing the competition can come up with is the 572 XP which I'm sure will work fine in your medium density woods as they're designed for the Northern hemisphere. Stihl on the other hand make saws for Australian hardwoods and some of our wood is to hard for them especially in 100 degree temps. The 572 is 4cc bigger .4 hp more output and packing 2 pounds more dead weight than the 400C, like you said you just want to pick up the lighter unit 👍.
You guys are great, fantastic no nonsense look at the three saws in action, l run MS400 with 20in light B&C, MS 462, with 25in light B&C, MS 661 with 36in rolomatic guidebar. the 500i is definitely a super saw, I would not purchase one, l believe l have all the bases covered, keep up the mighty work, I have just subscribed, greeting from Ireland !!!
Hi Guys, thanks for running the test on these 3 saws. I’ve been thinking of a 400. I didn’t realize that the weights are really close all around. Different areas must have price differences. I just priced a 400 at 1019. Just thought about this it has a 20 inch bar, not 25. That must be the difference. Thanks you guys.
The reason the 400 feels like it's got huge power to weight, is because the power head is also physically smaller. It also fits perfectly in a Husqvarna Powerbox.
New sub, thought I already subbed. Watching @toddsoutsideagain I commented that watching him run his 400c that I was pretty sure it would be my next saw. Todd said you did a comparison that I should see. Seeing your comparisons I think I will still go with the 400c. Money savings, lighter saw and I'm not concerned with 2 or 3 seconds here and there. I love cutting firewood it is my peaceful place. lol !!!! Thanks again.
Im coming from having used a ms441c m the last 12 years and im frustrated with the overengineeering and trying to work on it. Its been a great saw,but ive been trying to replace the throttle cable and its ridiculously hard to work on. Are the ms462 and ms400 eadier to work on than my 1st gen mtronic saw? Im thinkin about giving up on my 441 and just buying a new saw.
That 400 c probably be the choice for cutting firewood out the 3 for me. Less wait makes big difference at end the day. Now cutting in log pile. Give me a big dog. Great video keep up the good work.
The 500i likes to be loaded down, it adjusts real time so on a dyno when ypu load down the bar its power curve doesnt like to drop off because its trying to adjust to the load on the saw. The 500i is a different animal. I see down the road stihl going to i models on all of their saws once they get the tech down and I could even see them offering ecm upgrades that make the adjusts real time even faster than it is currently. I love my carb saws but the 500i is something. I love the 400C saw in addition to the 462 and 500 models, I bought a 362 and wish that I had bought the 400 instead to be honest. Great video!
500 definitely like to be loaded down, I hope they don’t go to fuel injection on all the saws unless they dial it in a lot better. I really dislike using the 500i to stand and buck because it doesn’t run 100%. 400c, 462c, 661c will all run right without being dogged in and loaded.
@@765Guys I think they will drop the adjustable carb models first and offer the M-Tronics still but continue the fuel injected R&D. So I dont think we have anything to worry about for a while yet. But 20 years more and we might see nothing but the i models. Not 100% sure if they can have a base gasket delete without jug machining or not, but that would probably help.
@@765Guys Doing a factory recalibration might really help the 500i also after adding the bark box and foam air filter. I knkw guys say just run them and that does work however, I think doing an actual factory recalibration is best once you mod or add anything to them. The ripsaw guys are doing alot with them and seem to have great luck with recalibrating the 500s.
Great video- I have a 400 and 500i. I like the 400 the best, but as a logger where I live in Montana, I mainly cut Lodgepole Pine and Douglas Fir. I also run a 550XPG, 562XPG, and 572XPG which are great saws with the benefit of heated handles.
My purchase ended up being an 064 a few days ago. Would have loved a 500, 462, 400 but it cost too much. I happen to have a 25” light bar on it so now I’m curious how much it weighs fully fueled and oiled after seeing that 500 being weighed. Thanks for a real world weight!
@@765Guys after saying that, curiosity got the better of me. Fully fueled and oiled, the 064 weighed in at an impressive 21 lbs with a stihl 25” light bar. That would make it just at 18.4 lbs without the bar and chain fully fueled and oiled. It is an early model 1987 with a standard half wrap and it is missing the inside bucking spikes. I was told that it weighed the same as a 660 by the saw mechanic that sold it to me
Tasteful Test on those saws……I have yet to get a MS 400c…….chose the MS 462 about 6 months ago, over the 400C……but for different reasons, already having a MS 362c, that I really like, I think the 462c just felt better in my hands and can handle just about any wood, bar or purpose. Having the MS 500i…… which I think is Stihl the best saw that one can purchase……considering ALl the Facts…..I will always end up saying….”One must select a saw and bar combination based on the job at hand.” If one can have many saws…..then equip each for a purpose and enjoy. Thus is also why I picked up a MS 261c. So, I’m sure I grab either the 400c or a 661c next, but only to fill in the slots. Actually would grab a 044 or066 next if I can find either in decent condition. So, I keep a 18” on the 261c, a 20” on the 362c, a 25” on the 462Rc and a 28” on the 500i. These cover just about any situation that arises IMHO. I have a number of older saws just for the fun of collecting……just because I like saws. I look forward to the MS 500i and the MS 661c comparison Genin !! Excellent Video……Thanks 🪵⛓🪚👍👏🇺🇸 Rick
I’m really interested in trying it. being that the 400 is 67cc and is real competition with the 572, I don’t think think the 562 mk2 will be real close to it. Stihl set the bar high with the 400..
400c is completely stock besides bark box. They all have brand new stihl chains, none had been modified at all. This is not crazy results, I’ve ran several different 400c’s and they all perform like this.
My question is why did he not cut the same way with all 3 saws? The 1st and 3rd saws he cut with the bar horizontal the whole cut. The 2nd saw he cut with tipping the nose of the bar down. So if your going to do a comparison the make it as consistent as possible with all the saws.
I just picked up a 500i, and it’s way overkill for what I need it for but I just had to have it. I’ve also got a couple Husqvarnas and Jonsered too. Next saw will probably be the 400 - again don’t need it but want it. 😂 Nice video, I just subscribed.
I know y'all said you didn't touch the chains at all but I'd be willing to bet that you're leaving a lot of the 500i's TQ on the table with the out of the box raker height. Take 2 or 3 swipes off the rakers and it'll eat better on the drop test....
I run a Stihl 440 I bought new in 2007. The Husky 372 was the competition back then. Now Husky has a 372 and Stihl has the 400c. The Stihl 440 and Stihl 400c have about the same specs with the 400c having just minor improvement in specs...and I mean minor like .05 more bhp. My 2007 Stihl 440 has been bulletproof and I used it today. I have used it commercial logging, tree farming and for firewood. I paid $709 for it and have the original sales slip. After running the snot out of it, I could sell it for close to what I bought it for. Keep resale value in mind on these saws! I will stick with my 440 that cost me nothing now and has paid for itself many times over . It would keep up with these new saws and I would rather haul it around then a 500i. The 400c would need mods like a metal wrap handle, HO oil pump and probably bar and chain to make me happy so I would probably go for the 462 fora little more cash. I might do that but I really should not.
Sorry I’m not into stihl . I’m into jonsered or husqvarna with my old stuff , like my 100cc and more for logging. The key 🔑 into chainsaw is how there chain is file to cut wood 🪵. I try the 500i it’s not that great off a saw , little bigger them a bread 🍞 saw in my review in big timber. My old 2195 jonsered twice the saw in timber 😊.
500i is the king for me, absolute animal and a pleasure to use. I run a 28 light bar and i feel it could pull a 30 or 32 no prob. Thanks for the video and comparison,
The 500i requires an operator who understands it. Dont hit max rpm before burrying the bar. The computer thinks you are limbing and then suddenly its got a huge load. With heavy hands you can stall the chain before the computer adjusts. With soft hands, it adjusts and really digs in its heels. Apply the throttle with the chain already touching the wood and you will see what i mean.
This makes sense and is good information, I’m going to try this. I watch a lot of 500i videos and sawing, why am I just now hearing about this? Thanks!
Very interesting, thanks for the comment. Do you know what the computer is doing/changing about the saw when you wait until the bar is buried? As in what it does to brace itself for a dense load.
Cheers!
My understanding is that it uses fuel as a way to limit revs. It makes the 4 stroking sound without a load really bad because it's dumping extra fuel in to slow it down, thereby retarding output. When you burry the bar under those conditions, it can stop the chain before it leans back out to a normal mid range fuel/air mixture. The effect is illustrated quite well on the dyno joe 70cc comparison where he addresses the odd shaped power curve made by the 500i.
I have all three saws and I am with you fellers. Hump that 500 a quarter mile down in the woods and humbolt facecut a 25 incher over top a barbed wire fence. Then you will learn to appreciate that magnesium piston all the more. I agree with all your comments. Very well thought out. Honestly, the weight is a BIG factor. Also the Light bar should be mandatory. It improves the balance dramatically. I have the 25" on the 400c and 28" on the 462. The saws can handle them full wood even in oak and other hardwoods. Speed is important, but there are a 1000 vids comparing speed. You need to make a vid where you are climbing a hill and then handling the saw.
Excellent points you made! If I’m climbing a hill or working in the woods, I’d choose the 400 or my Husqvarna 545xp.
Thanks for the comparison, i have a 391 it does a great job for the 15ish cord per yer i do.
Wanting to go with a pro saw in 24 this definitely helped.
Had my 400 for over 2 years now, love it, it's my best saw so far & no issues or problems with it, including no leaking caps. For me I like to have 2 saws with me and my choice would be 462 and 400.
Great video guys! Nothing like some real world testing and non-biased reviews. I hope to buy one of these 3 saws within the next bit so this really helps 👍🏻
Glad it helped! They’re all great choices. Thanks for watching!
Awsome video thanks.
I’m looking at replacing my ms461 soon (as the crankcase is very thin after the chain brake snapped , snagged the clutch and blew the clutch apart).
I need something for climbing with (for the bigger timber) so your test of drop cutting and dogging in is really important. there is a mix of cutting styles in the tree so the 462 seems a better choice than the 500.
i think for a smaller saw, id go the 261 over the 400 for weight
Nice comparison. I think the 400 is the best overall value in this lineup. Does it all and lightweight with the least cost. The 462 is the max power/value, but your paying for that extra hp. The 500 is a hell of a saw just not great value. Personally, I think the 572 is the best overall value for power/cost if being lightweight is not a concern. This is if you ignore Echo options. The question is if the 462 is worth the extra cost over the 572? Depends on your brand preference. All great choices!!
I agree with all the statements you made, we have a video coming up with the 572,462 and 400. Results suprised us! Thanks for watching!
You guys have no issue with air leaks on the 400 intake design?
@@KevinsDisobedience I’ve never heard of anyone having that problem.
I couldn't decide between the 400 or 462. So I got one of each. The 400, sharp chain with a high raker. Let it eat, don't dog in. I like the lighter weight. 462 has the pull to do what you feel like doing.
@@EricChmelarsky-vh7eqif u were to only get one of those which would it be? Mostly for felling
My 400C is awesome for allround tasks. Felling, limbing and bucking. I usually run mine with 16-18'' bar which is more than enough for Finnish pine and birch (sometimes I use 25'' for fun). For basic tasks it is agile and very easy to run. Only con is that it doesn't feature heated handlebar for winter use. The American upgrades are pretty fancy and love how they enhance the saw itself (WCS bark fox, Egan felling dogs and WCS foam air filter). Also one last addition is full-wrap handlebar.
Nice comparison video between these three great tools. Thank you guys for that!
Thanks for watching!
Great vid. I would make the same recommendations. I own all three and use the 400c more than the others. I humped the 500i down in the woods to fell a 28" white oak and it made it easy, but it was plenty heavy to carry around. The weight of the 400 makes it attractive and it will pull 25" of hardwood.
Great video! I agree it depends on what your main use for a chainsaw is gonna be! I love my 400 with no regrets but I believe the best of both worlds happy medium is definitely the 462!👍🏻👍🏻
400 sure is tough to beat for the price. Thanks for watching Todd!
When you dog its to help you use the saw to cut not to make it cut faster per say. If you have to power through a knot or make a felling cut where you have NO weight on the saw thats why you dog in. Felling dogs. So on your felling cut or back cut you can dog in. Bucking firewood its not as important unless you hit a knot and need some help to power through. This is why I have found anyways. AND yea the 3 point dogs gordy sells are AWESOME I have a 462 with the westcoast upgrades and its a BEAST. Like wow... The air filter is also awesome.
His uni filter is my next purchase.
Great real world test! Looking forward to your upcoming 500 vs 661 video. As someone who owns a 261 and 462, the 500 really seems too close to the 462 but the 661 may be a big enough step up for pulling long bars in large diameter hardwood.
Thanks! In the 661 500 video we run them with 36” bars as well as 25”!
Nice one fellas. I like real comparisons and talk between two opinions.
Thanks Kenny!
Great video guys. I've had my 026 Pro w/ 18" bar for 24 years. I live on 10 acres in upstate NY. In the last five years or so, I now have hundreds of dead ash trees...thanks to the emerald ash borer. Rather than kill my terrific 026, I'm looking at a standard carbed 462 w/ 25" bar to work alongside the 21 ton excavator with its grapple. Good time to get another saw.
You’ll love the 462!
Best comparison I've seen. Talking about what an everyday firewood guy is looking for. Very few of us are loggers, but want the same quality equipment.
Thank you!
Nice video boys. For what we’re doing the 400 is tough to beat. However I will agree with Genin…side by side I think the 462 and 400 are really similar when you’re dropping it through firewood logs. KNL out.
Shop around. Last week one dealer had a new 462C for $1299.99, other dealer 5 miles away had the 500i for $1309.99! I spent the extra 10 dollars.
Ive used both 500i and 462,
Both great saws.
I think the only advantage with the 500i powerwise, is if you're going to be using a longer bar than say 28inch,
Otherwise with a shorter bar they feel about the same.
If i was going to buy one for personal use, it would be the 462 , haven't tried a 400 so can't comment on it, but looks real good.
Great review, very interesting results and discussion. Im a bit confused about the 28" on a MS400, i have more the idea that the 400 is great with 25" but thats a bit of a limit but i respect that we all have different oppinions. :)
Those are stihl top 3 saws if I were to guess and they are all very close and all great saws I don’t think you could go wrong with any of them I personally have the 400 and the 500 and the 500 is an animal but most people don’t need a saw like the 500! Most people could do anything they need with the 261 but these 3 are if you’re going to get serious about cutting!!
Cool video on the comparison. I love my 500 buy do wish it was lighter when cutting smaller wood . None of my other saws are pro saws so maybe I need to stop & check out a 400 to add to the collection.
You’d definitely love the 400 for cutting smaller wood opposed to the 500, so smooth and light!
Couple of things...in my experience....my 500i has the run for a bit then jt seems to "come alive" running that saw for 10 minutes it suddenly acts like it has a turbo, not sure why. Mine has a bark box and a max flow intake, however I live at 7,500' which is relevant because my 291 barely works for firewood even tuned, its been back to stihl 3x.
G'day 765 Guys, you just need a 200T a 660 and a 881 and you will have the six best hardwood saws on Earth. I have the 400C maximum bar length in Oz is 20 inches market leading top end speed due to the Magnesium piston oil on demand oil pump so it's not wasting oil they've also redesigned the total relationship between the piston and drive to minimise negative centrifugal forces as you noticed . The closest thing the competition can come up with is the 572 XP which I'm sure will work fine in your medium density woods as they're designed for the Northern hemisphere. Stihl on the other hand make saws for Australian hardwoods and some of our wood is to hard for them especially in 100 degree temps. The 572 is 4cc bigger .4 hp more output and packing 2 pounds more dead weight than the 400C, like you said you just want to pick up the lighter unit 👍.
You guys are great, fantastic no nonsense look at the three saws in action, l run MS400 with 20in light B&C, MS 462, with 25in light B&C, MS 661 with 36in rolomatic guidebar. the 500i is definitely a super saw, I would not purchase one, l believe l have all the bases covered, keep up the mighty work, I have just subscribed, greeting from Ireland !!!
Hi Guys, thanks for running the test on these 3 saws. I’ve been thinking of a 400. I didn’t realize that the weights are really close all around. Different areas must have price differences. I just priced a 400 at 1019. Just thought about this it has a 20 inch bar, not 25. That must be the difference. Thanks you guys.
400 is a great saw! You’ll love it. Stay warm up there in Minnesota!
The reason the 400 feels like it's got huge power to weight, is because the power head is also physically smaller. It also fits perfectly in a Husqvarna Powerbox.
New sub, thought I already subbed. Watching @toddsoutsideagain I commented that watching him run his 400c that I was pretty sure it would be my next saw. Todd said you did a comparison that I should see. Seeing your comparisons I think I will still go with the 400c. Money savings, lighter saw and I'm not concerned with 2 or 3 seconds here and there. I love cutting firewood it is my peaceful place. lol !!!! Thanks again.
Yep! 400c is a tough one to beat! Are you the Tim stout we met at Paul Bunyon?
@@765Guys No I am not. Hopefully soon I'll get to Bunyon.
Good comparison, my self I don’t like to force my saws it stretches the chain.
That is a good point!
Im coming from having used a ms441c m the last 12 years and im frustrated with the overengineeering and trying to work on it. Its been a great saw,but ive been trying to replace the throttle cable and its ridiculously hard to work on. Are the ms462 and ms400 eadier to work on than my 1st gen mtronic saw? Im thinkin about giving up on my 441 and just buying a new saw.
I’ve heard similar stories on the 441. I can’t confirm the ease of working on a 400 or 462, haven’t had any problems with them.
That 400 c probably be the choice for cutting firewood out the 3 for me. Less wait makes big difference at end the day. Now cutting in log pile. Give me a big dog. Great video keep up the good work.
Thanks! I agree with you on the 400c.
The 500i likes to be loaded down, it adjusts real time so on a dyno when ypu load down the bar its power curve doesnt like to drop off because its trying to adjust to the load on the saw. The 500i is a different animal. I see down the road stihl going to i models on all of their saws once they get the tech down and I could even see them offering ecm upgrades that make the adjusts real time even faster than it is currently. I love my carb saws but the 500i is something. I love the 400C saw in addition to the 462 and 500 models, I bought a 362 and wish that I had bought the 400 instead to be honest. Great video!
500 definitely like to be loaded down, I hope they don’t go to fuel injection on all the saws unless they dial it in a lot better. I really dislike using the 500i to stand and buck because it doesn’t run 100%. 400c, 462c, 661c will all run right without being dogged in and loaded.
@@765Guys I think they will drop the adjustable carb models first and offer the M-Tronics still but continue the fuel injected R&D. So I dont think we have anything to worry about for a while yet. But 20 years more and we might see nothing but the i models. Not 100% sure if they can have a base gasket delete without jug machining or not, but that would probably help.
@@765Guys Doing a factory recalibration might really help the 500i also after adding the bark box and foam air filter. I knkw guys say just run them and that does work however, I think doing an actual factory recalibration is best once you mod or add anything to them. The ripsaw guys are doing alot with them and seem to have great luck with recalibrating the 500s.
love my 462! I have it set up exactly like that one there. Great video! Thanks!
Thanks! I love my 462 as well!
I also have a 28" light bar,does just fine as well.
Great video- I have a 400 and 500i. I like the 400 the best, but as a logger where I live in Montana, I mainly cut Lodgepole Pine and Douglas Fir. I also run a 550XPG, 562XPG, and 572XPG which are great saws with the benefit of heated handles.
Thanks! All those saws are great!!
Some good information fellas!! Appreciate it!
Thanks for watching Jacob!
Out of all of these, overall, I still reach for my 462c first. 28" light bar, perfect balance. No mods needed.
It’s all about the budget for me! Love my 400💪💪👍👍
That’s right! Thanks for stopping by, I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist a 400 video 🤣
Great video guys love my 462
Thanks!
ms500i or ms462 is what I dream of but never have, wish you a lot of success thanks for sharing
Thanks!
My purchase ended up being an 064 a few days ago. Would have loved a 500, 462, 400 but it cost too much. I happen to have a 25” light bar on it so now I’m curious how much it weighs fully fueled and oiled after seeing that 500 being weighed. Thanks for a real world weight!
064’s are sweet, if you happen to weigh it let me know. Thanks for watching!
@@765Guys after saying that, curiosity got the better of me. Fully fueled and oiled, the 064 weighed in at an impressive 21 lbs with a stihl 25” light bar. That would make it just at 18.4 lbs without the bar and chain fully fueled and oiled. It is an early model 1987 with a standard half wrap and it is missing the inside bucking spikes. I was told that it weighed the same as a 660 by the saw mechanic that sold it to me
Love my 462cm!! Set up same as yours,at least for me she's a beast!!
It’s a beast for me too! Thanks for watching!
Tasteful Test on those saws……I have yet to get a MS 400c…….chose the MS 462 about 6 months ago, over the 400C……but for different reasons, already having a MS 362c, that I really like, I think the 462c just felt better in my hands and can handle just about any wood, bar or purpose. Having the MS 500i…… which I think is Stihl the best saw that one can purchase……considering ALl the Facts…..I will always end up saying….”One must select a saw and bar combination based on the job at hand.” If one can have many saws…..then equip each for a purpose and enjoy. Thus is also why I picked up a MS 261c. So, I’m sure I grab either the 400c or a 661c next, but only to fill in the slots. Actually would grab a 044 or066 next if I can find either in decent condition. So, I keep a 18” on the 261c, a 20” on the 362c, a 25” on the 462Rc and a 28” on the 500i. These cover just about any situation that arises IMHO. I have a number of older saws just for the fun of collecting……just because I like saws. I look forward to the MS 500i and the MS 661c comparison Genin !! Excellent Video……Thanks 🪵⛓🪚👍👏🇺🇸 Rick
Thanks Rick!
Wonder how the new 562 mk2 would stack up against the 400?
I’m really interested in trying it. being that the 400 is 67cc and is real competition with the 572, I don’t think think the 562 mk2 will be real close to it. Stihl set the bar high with the 400..
Hm question … is the 400c stock power only muffler mode ? What chain is on this saw ? Because the 462c-m is not fare away from the power cut
400c is completely stock besides bark box. They all have brand new stihl chains, none had been modified at all. This is not crazy results, I’ve ran several different 400c’s and they all perform like this.
@@765Guys witch Chain did you use ?
@@Robin_Polarstern 33rs 84. Yellow chain
@@765Guys very very impressive 👍🏻
My question is why did he not cut the same way with all 3 saws? The 1st and 3rd saws he cut with the bar horizontal the whole cut. The 2nd saw he cut with tipping the nose of the bar down. So if your going to do a comparison the make it as consistent as possible with all the saws.
I think the 46x series is the best buildable saw you can throw around all day 👍😎
I just picked up a 500i, and it’s way overkill for what I need it for but I just had to have it. I’ve also got a couple Husqvarnas and Jonsered too. Next saw will probably be the 400 - again don’t need it but want it. 😂 Nice video, I just subscribed.
Thanks for the sub Bob! Cant wait to see your 17 and 22rs videos. Chainsaws are an addiction and we can never have enough!
Great video fellas!
Thanks Bob!
Ms 382, any idea where.does this stand between those?..tq
I’ve never heard of a 382🧐
Hhmmm, wonder if im not tuning my 400 correctly? Cause i am unimpressed with my 400.
I’ve never run a 400 and been disappointed
All three are awesome saws.
I love my ms462, the best saw I own!
Me too!
Great video! I like the 462
Me too!
70cc is best overall, Stihl makes a great saw. Can’t go wrong with a ms462
I agree!
I lovey stihl saws, i just love chain saws period.
I am not impressed with my 400! I think it sucks!
Red Bread sounds like hes way backed up....
You guys ever do a 250?
250?
It’s on the long bars you’ll notice the 500i take over the 462 pretty easily just because of the torque.
If you watch the video after this one you can see how the 500i handles the 36” bar.
I know y'all said you didn't touch the chains at all but I'd be willing to bet that you're leaving a lot of the 500i's TQ on the table with the out of the box raker height. Take 2 or 3 swipes off the rakers and it'll eat better on the drop test....
Very possible, for the sake of an even test, we decided not to touch any of the chains. Thank you for watching!
I love the comparison. As soon as you talked money I instantly wanted mumble covered mouth looking the other way coughing 372 lol.
Thanks! The 372xp is like 1100$ now so it’s up there with them as well.
@@765Guys yes at least they go on sale. Few months ago for like 850
@@stannelson2582 yes and $1225 out the door price on a 592XP with 24" tough lite b&c
Myself if I was going to buy a stihl I would find an older 461 or 440
I’ve Never run either but I’d love to find a nice 461! Thanks for watching!
I run a Stihl 440 I bought new in 2007. The Husky 372 was the competition back then. Now Husky has a 372 and Stihl has the 400c. The Stihl 440 and Stihl 400c have about the same specs with the 400c having just minor improvement in specs...and I mean minor like .05 more bhp.
My 2007 Stihl 440 has been bulletproof and I used it today. I have used it commercial logging, tree farming and for firewood. I paid $709 for it and have the original sales slip. After running the snot out of it, I could sell it for close to what I bought it for. Keep resale value in mind on these saws!
I will stick with my 440 that cost me nothing now and has paid for itself many times over . It would keep up with these new saws and I would rather haul it around then a 500i. The 400c would need mods like a metal wrap handle, HO oil pump and probably bar and chain to make me happy so I would probably go for the 462 fora little more cash. I might do that but I really should not.
I run 2 stihl ms 400C with 25 inch bars and I prefer light weight saw
Can’t go wrong with that!
These saws all can do a days work . Humans are the weak link . Fun power saws .
Sorry I’m not into stihl . I’m into jonsered or husqvarna with my old stuff , like my 100cc and more for logging. The key 🔑 into chainsaw is how there chain is file to cut wood 🪵. I try the 500i it’s not that great off a saw , little bigger them a bread 🍞 saw in my review in big timber. My old 2195 jonsered twice the saw in timber 😊.
Man my older model 460 magnum would smoke all 3
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572xp for the win
500i is the king for me, absolute animal and a pleasure to use. I run a 28 light bar and i feel it could pull a 30 or 32 no prob. Thanks for the video and comparison,
500i is like having four wheel drive for your truck. Sure the other saws will eventually get the job done, but come on man.
592 is the answer!
Cut logs, girl scouts do cookies
Cookies burn just as good as logs
The 500 needs about 10 tanks of fuel ran through it, and then it just all of a sudden wakes up. That’s a kick ass saw
Awesome comparison guys I’m on the fence between 400 and 462 this is great help 👍👍🪵
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
You will be very happy going 462cm route!!
I am as well. Did you make a decision? If so which?
@@simd510 I settled on the MS 462 it’s a really good saw 👍