Evolution of the Roman Centurion DOCUMENTARY

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  • Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
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    Our animated historical documentary series on the armies and tactics of Rome continues with an episode describing the evolution of the Centurions of the Roman armies from the Republican era to the Principate and then Dominate. From the salaries to the armor and arms to the requirements, we cover everything about the centurions of the Roman legions
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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  4 года назад +174

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  • @neutronalchemist3241
    @neutronalchemist3241 4 года назад +739

    "There is an angry mob waiting for him!"
    "No problem, he's escorted by a centurion".

    • @kampfpiper3853
      @kampfpiper3853 4 года назад +27

      Vorenus 💪🏻

    • @jhnshep
      @jhnshep 4 года назад +15

      Lol yea I doubt the centurion could have done much against a mob, though I expect the fear of what happened to the town were they attack would have stayed any want to do so, :-D

    • @Cancoillotteman
      @Cancoillotteman 4 года назад +39

      @@jhnshep Also don't underestimate the Potemkin effect : the first rioter to attack the centurion would be dead before anyone had time to help him

    • @jhnshep
      @jhnshep 4 года назад +30

      @@Cancoillotteman no one want's to be the first, 'everybody wants to be gangster until it's time to do gangster shit' lol

    • @ousamadearu5960
      @ousamadearu5960 4 года назад +34

      @@jhnshep Well about that, if Rome have heard of news that a Centurion has died by an angry mob, that will not end well for the city. Rome has a high chance of wiping out the entire city for suspicions of rebellion, and they tolerate no signs of rebellion against Rome.

  • @Mrkabrat
    @Mrkabrat 4 года назад +547

    "Are you sure there's no centurion called Naughtius Maximus?" Roman governor of Judea

    • @MichaelDodge27
      @MichaelDodge27 4 года назад +62

      It's a joke name sir.

    • @arkitsingh7083
      @arkitsingh7083 4 года назад +86

      @Raktim Kalita he has a wife you know ,her name is incontinentia ..incontinentia buttocks

    • @abhisheknanda9956
      @abhisheknanda9956 4 года назад +9

      @@arkitsingh7083 oh I forgot the movie name and there is also a crusader version of it.

    • @arkitsingh7083
      @arkitsingh7083 4 года назад +18

      @@abhisheknanda9956 life of brian, it's on netflix

    • @helios4753
      @helios4753 4 года назад +7

      @@arkitsingh7083 omg I'm in stitches. I knew it was coming but I can't help it. Man time to watch that movie again.

  • @lesROKnoobz
    @lesROKnoobz 3 года назад +107

    Words can't express how much I love this channel. It's a replacement for History channel, but even better than History channel originally was. At least to me. The quality is consistent and there ain't too much WW2 related stuff. I prefer my history to be ancient

  • @terrasphere_3858
    @terrasphere_3858 4 года назад +297

    "INCREDIBILIS!"
    A message for Kings and General

  • @MarcusVipsaniusAgrippaLXIII
    @MarcusVipsaniusAgrippaLXIII 4 года назад +549

    The glory of Rome is better than coffee in the morning.

    • @nazmakhan178
      @nazmakhan178 3 года назад +6

      But coffee came from Yemen.

    • @bonesbrigad.e___
      @bonesbrigad.e___ 3 года назад +3

      I read this as I woke up and nothing is more true

    • @roamingvagabond5435
      @roamingvagabond5435 3 года назад

      Ave.

    • @baconbliss4796
      @baconbliss4796 3 года назад +5

      @@nazmakhan178 that region had many many trade routes with rome

    • @sonoftheking1977
      @sonoftheking1977 3 года назад +1

      I have a question did you have to be roman to be a centurion or could somebody from another country, race, ethnicity etc become a centurion?

  • @cathar1209
    @cathar1209 4 года назад +619

    "Our series on the Roman military will continue, up to 1453" - This always warms my heart :')

    • @ArghastOfTheAlliance
      @ArghastOfTheAlliance 4 года назад +27

      @@thecrusaderhistorian9820 It also means it will eventually end :(

    • @araknas3981
      @araknas3981 4 года назад +88

      @@ArghastOfTheAlliance Maybe the real Romans were the friends we made along the way.

    • @15r52
      @15r52 4 года назад +3

      @@araknas3981 brug

    • @sechifabio
      @sechifabio 4 года назад +8

      @@araknas3981 caught me offguard and gave me a good laugh, nice one XD

    • @Arborist5851
      @Arborist5851 3 года назад +1

      I do enjoy that

  • @Destroyer9300
    @Destroyer9300 4 года назад +498

    Imagine if centurion falls to early in battle, -50% moral decrease...

    • @manooxi327
      @manooxi327 4 года назад +115

      even worst, the centurion of the eagle cohort getting killed by the first wave of arrows!

    • @Ishkur23
      @Ishkur23 4 года назад +53

      But what if the enemy general runs away? I mean, that's no way a leader should behave, but in battle it's beyond belief.

    • @steven_003
      @steven_003 4 года назад +1

      @@Ishkur23 Well, beaten to death by clubs.

    • @Skerdy
      @Skerdy 3 года назад +14

      No need to imagine... in many battles that went wrong centurions were the one that died...
      It is actually sort of a justification (in Roman mindset) if a legion breaks... you read passages like: "... the legion broke formation after most of their centurions were killed..." Meaning, that if their centurions were killed, how can you expect the simple legionaire to hold up?!
      As far as Romans were concerned, centurions were the real deal.

    • @Skerdy
      @Skerdy 3 года назад +6

      @Thats reality folks Im the Camaraman Thanks, I did know that. I was referring to a battle in Gaul when one of Ceasar's legions was broken. At the end the Romans won, but according to ancient authors the broken legion had lost all of its centurions, which is the reason it broke ranks according to them...
      That said, if the Centurion is dead, and the Optio is dead (keeping in mind that in formation the Optio stayed back to keep discipline in the centuria)... I would presume that at that point most of the men are also running or dead so... good luck to the Tesserarius...

  • @yochaiwyss3843
    @yochaiwyss3843 4 года назад +500

    *"PULLO, FORMASHUN!"*

    • @ryancoke9301
      @ryancoke9301 4 года назад +83

      PUUUULLLO, SINGLE FORMASHUN!

    • @kakabukkake0
      @kakabukkake0 4 года назад +87

      Get BACK in formation you drunken fool...

    • @thosdiddly
      @thosdiddly 4 года назад +75

      Legionary Titus Pullo was a hero of the 13th, but look at him now.

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 4 года назад +32

      *Pullo punches Vorenus in his face, knocking that ostentatious helmet off his ginger head*

    • @thnktank1
      @thnktank1 4 года назад +22

      Thirteeeeen!

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 года назад +392

    I’m always interested in Roman history. This is always a treat.

    • @thewingedserpent5823
      @thewingedserpent5823 4 года назад +11

      You really are everywhere aren't you?

    • @kumisz2
      @kumisz2 4 года назад +3

      Check out Historia Civilis, it's almost exclusively roman history and incredibly detailed.

    • @culturedman1310
      @culturedman1310 4 года назад +2

      Me too i hope one day japan would make some roman era anime or something like that

    • @jakegraham7265
      @jakegraham7265 4 года назад +1

      Double chocolate chip type of treat?

    • @instantinople3796
      @instantinople3796 4 года назад +4

      Nobody expects Just Some Guy without a Mustache.

  • @HGRvSBG
    @HGRvSBG 4 года назад +53

    The end bit on what the title 'Centurion' was relegated to almost made me weep -- such an ancient and glorious institution. I hope they are honored by our remembrance of them.

  • @randomuser6175
    @randomuser6175 4 года назад +182

    when I hear the word Centurion I immediately think of Lucius Vorenus from Rome :)

    • @AngryToasterOven
      @AngryToasterOven 4 года назад +48

      Funny enough, when I first watched that show, I kept wondering why on Earth was Vorenus being tasked with all sorts of odd-jobs and even acted in Antony's retinue. Turns out that was pretty accurate as far as Centurion duty was concerned.

    • @P00PINMYMOUTH
      @P00PINMYMOUTH 4 года назад +15

      @@AngryToasterOven weird though because Vorenus was prima pilus (first spear). You'd think he'd be able to avoid the odd jobs and were a little bit more wealthy.

    • @MrMarsh263
      @MrMarsh263 4 года назад +14

      @@P00PINMYMOUTH wasn't he promoted to Prima Pilus though? Cause they show his daughters and wife(rest her sole) gettting new clothes and whatnot. It did seem they were from the pleb class though, I think it was just showing how JC was promoting the "common man"/Centurion cause he was a populist. I don't think (could be wrong, probably am) someone to make it to that position would be from that class, but idk.

    • @randomuser6175
      @randomuser6175 4 года назад +11

      @@AngryToasterOven that show was accurate on so many things except history :) one of the best shows ever tho

    • @Geeza-rc9kz
      @Geeza-rc9kz 4 года назад

      That show was awesome and I always think the same thing haha

  • @christopherg2347
    @christopherg2347 4 года назад +126

    So Centurions were:
    Good fighters
    Leader in Battle
    Comissar/Miltiary Police
    Military instructor
    Special Forces
    General Police Officer
    Administrators
    Military standard
    And the real power in the Legions politics

    • @ryannguyen7466
      @ryannguyen7466 3 года назад +19

      Drill sergeants too

    • @twopeeam
      @twopeeam 3 года назад +10

      They are basically N.C.O and C.O of every legionair
      Whose rank are not as high , as general or commander
      The highest rank they could achive is the rank of captain

  • @ArmchairStrategist
    @ArmchairStrategist 4 года назад +231

    The legacy of the centurion lives on in every senior NCO cadre in western military formations.
    Nobody wants to piss off the Master Sergeant.

    • @Jabranalibabry
      @Jabranalibabry 4 года назад +1

      Even in the east. S

    • @jamalwashium5387
      @jamalwashium5387 4 года назад

      @Ryan Pedro nah

    • @iutarogirotto5110
      @iutarogirotto5110 4 года назад +8

      a master sergeant is more like an optio, Centurions would most likely be colonel in today's standards, the highest-ranking officer field officer

    • @andrewjohnson5732
      @andrewjohnson5732 4 года назад +3

      iutaro girotto more like all the ranks from captain to brigadier

    • @ryannguyen7466
      @ryannguyen7466 3 года назад +1

      I think they had a mix system vs define system like we have today. The Centurion had dual system of men rising through the rank and earn the commission as well as those filthy rich who pay their way in and still have the high position vs centurion like the Legate.
      Obviously, the most visible equivalent of the centurion in the military today would be the NCO corps whom the commission officers rely heavily when it come to military affair.

  • @jannestiemes4328
    @jannestiemes4328 4 года назад +125

    Me: “What did centurions do?” Kings And Generals: “Yes!”

  • @eldorados_lost_searcher
    @eldorados_lost_searcher 4 года назад +40

    Another little known responsibility of the centurion was correcting the Latin grammar of Roman subjects.
    "'Romanes evnt domvs'? People called Romanes they go the house?"

    • @SpaceKamakiri
      @SpaceKamakiri 3 года назад +4

      « Romani ite domum » 100 times!

  • @22vx
    @22vx 4 года назад +384

    Yesssss more Roman stuff!

    • @justpettet3506
      @justpettet3506 4 года назад +2

      haha never thought I would say that as a kid

    • @imswanronson3558
      @imswanronson3558 4 года назад +10

      Yes! There's always room in my brain for more Roman history, and if not I'll just throw out some of that useless high school math we were taught.

    • @TheTariqibnziyad
      @TheTariqibnziyad 4 года назад

      damn your profile pic is fitting.

  • @Kbuildsmodels_24
    @Kbuildsmodels_24 4 года назад +56

    Note that the Centurions did not disappear after the fall of the Western roman empire, they continued in the Eastern Roman half and retained similar qualities as their western counterparts, but were called “kentarch” (κένταρχος) “kentarchos”- Greek
    “Centurion” - Latin

    • @demoiselle_chris9466
      @demoiselle_chris9466 4 года назад +1

      Now that's interesting

    • @paprskomet
      @paprskomet 4 года назад +4

      Kentarch and Centurion is one and the same thing just one is in Latin while other adapted to Greek but it is not something like if they were called differently.Moreover greek version terms for latin ranks were in use in the east all of the time not just after fall of the west and also after fall of the west right up to 7th century latin titles were also still actively in use along with greek versions.

    • @AthrihosPithekos
      @AthrihosPithekos 4 года назад

      It is the Latin "cent" theme with a Greek -archos (meaning ruler,commander) ending.

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 4 года назад +203

    2 Rome-themed videos in a week? Is it Saturnalia already?

    • @MichaelDodge27
      @MichaelDodge27 4 года назад +9

      IO SATURNALIA!!!

    • @HaloFTW55
      @HaloFTW55 4 года назад +2

      I JUST SAW YOU AT THE SABATON VIDEO!!!

  • @danydierickx3228
    @danydierickx3228 4 года назад +21

    The primus pilus must a have been a beast of war

  • @emperorofhistory8724
    @emperorofhistory8724 3 года назад +8

    Excellent, as always. So glad to hear your pursuing discussing the Roman Army all the way through the final fall in 1453, such pleases me greatly.

  • @RemembertThe20thMain
    @RemembertThe20thMain 4 года назад +13

    Round of applause for that one unknown Centurion veteran of every war in romes history

  • @huubstevens1821
    @huubstevens1821 4 года назад +86

    Dropping everything for this video, your channel never disappoints

    • @22vx
      @22vx 4 года назад +3

      ikr

  • @sanele2948
    @sanele2948 4 года назад +14

    Centurions were the back bone of the Roman war machine. Brave and courageous men.

  • @barbiquearea
    @barbiquearea 4 года назад +19

    Fun fact: In the early centuries of the Roman Empire, a legion usually had a total of 59 centurions. Each one also had various junior officers working under them known as principales.

  • @jascrandom9855
    @jascrandom9855 4 года назад +15

    Maximilus Trax sounds like a Warhammer 40k character.

  • @sizzla123
    @sizzla123 3 года назад +9

    “Valour is superior to numbers."~Flavius Vegetius Renatus

  • @Insectoid_
    @Insectoid_ 4 года назад +46

    This channel is absolutely amazing. Tempted to join the patreon.

  • @nomadichorseman
    @nomadichorseman 4 года назад +8

    Wow! I had no idea the amount of work and effort that went into the centurion role.

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 4 года назад +8

    So Centurions had to basically wear many different hats as they did what they did for their patrons and overlords. And I'm guessing they were exceptionally good at it in order to last as long as they did. My compliments to those who made this video a reality.

  • @MichaelDodge27
    @MichaelDodge27 4 года назад +35

    I was literally just thinking this week about how it would be great to learn more about Roman Military organization and here it is!!

    • @HGRvSBG
      @HGRvSBG 4 года назад

      Might I suggest the channel "Historia Civilis" -- you'll learn everything about everything. This channel is great, too, but not as intricate as Historia Civilis.

  • @jsudlow12
    @jsudlow12 4 года назад +8

    Such a good documentary, I’m thoroughly addicted to this channel

  • @sergetardif9596
    @sergetardif9596 4 года назад +2

    Maxime respicit! Your channel has the most researched military historical topics. Primus inter pares!
    Always a delight to follow your videos.

  • @maurogigliotti1911
    @maurogigliotti1911 4 года назад +4

    Your videos shake my spirit. Cannot thank you guys more.

  • @TheCrusader1099
    @TheCrusader1099 4 года назад +10

    I am normally a quiet subscriber of yours ,but this time I have to say something: this was amazing! more of this! very detailed and nicely Illustrated !Thanks a lot:)

  • @freddymylove-dk
    @freddymylove-dk 4 года назад +16

    I can hear the centurion from For Honor screaming "incredibilis!!" at the realease of this video.

  • @Killzoneguy117
    @Killzoneguy117 4 года назад +3

    Kinda explains now why Vorenus was such an absolute beast.

  • @xusteve4820
    @xusteve4820 4 года назад +61

    Hah, Vitis, something legionaries feared more than any Germanic swords or Parthian arrows.

    • @cinnamon3578
      @cinnamon3578 4 года назад

      What's Vitis?

    • @Tonyx.yt.
      @Tonyx.yt. 4 года назад +22

      @@cinnamon3578 a stick made with grapewood used by centurions to physical punish soldiers, the only way a roman citizen's body can be legaly harmed back then

    • @Taistelukalkkuna
      @Taistelukalkkuna 4 года назад +16

      Vitis = "Respec muh authorita"

  • @KirstenBayes
    @KirstenBayes 4 года назад +3

    Doesn't get any better than this. Good work!

  • @TheSimsFan1996
    @TheSimsFan1996 4 года назад +7

    Always a pleasure to see a new video from you guys! Especially anything on Roma 😊

  • @charris5700
    @charris5700 4 года назад +5

    Awesome presentation of the Roman Centurion 💢
    What a bummer that the Eastern Empire got rid of the prestigious Centurion.

  • @Dustz92
    @Dustz92 4 года назад +15

    Sad that you ended just before the most famous centurion of them all: Phocas, who managed to become emperor in 602

  • @KING_PINA_VI
    @KING_PINA_VI 4 года назад +4

    You guys never disappoint, great video. And keep them coming, also love your shirts!

  • @captare
    @captare 4 года назад +3

    Great video. I was waiting for the video to talk about that set of disc, which the "centurions" used on "Lorica hamata". For me it is one of their most iconic symbols.

  • @amandafranks5108
    @amandafranks5108 4 года назад +22

    Greatest officer corps of Antiquity!

    • @alpharius8264
      @alpharius8264 4 года назад +7

      Infact one of the few military forces in the antiquity which polsessed somethink like an officer corps

  • @lukezuzga6460
    @lukezuzga6460 4 года назад +3

    As always, very informative and entertaining video! Looking forward to the Roman continuation.

  • @michaelbellinger1363
    @michaelbellinger1363 4 года назад +4

    Wonderful video. I had no idea they were assassins. It is true about the helmets. It also depended which legion they were apart of if the wire a plume or not, or if it ran differently than other Legionaries. Thanks Kings and Generals!

  • @dojotacosupreme4900
    @dojotacosupreme4900 4 года назад +40

    NEXT TIME ON KINGS AND GENERALS: "HOW THE PEN BECAME MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD"

    • @10Tabris01
      @10Tabris01 3 года назад

      The assassination of Aurelian?

  • @thomashendriks6798
    @thomashendriks6798 4 года назад +2

    I learned so much from this! Keep up the good work guys.

  • @DrAlexTravels
    @DrAlexTravels 4 года назад +89

    Broke my Vine-stick watching Kings and Generals, will someone please "Fetch me another"

  • @samuelguerra3813
    @samuelguerra3813 4 года назад +20

    As Always, awesome video! Would you be interested in making a video about the training regiments and battle tactics implemented by Aztec eagle warriors?

  • @lordcommanderdire5113
    @lordcommanderdire5113 4 года назад

    At work, went on break just to watch this. Love your vids on Rome always a treat

  • @danielconde13
    @danielconde13 4 года назад +16

    Centurion Macro approves this.

  • @blackhawkdown4376
    @blackhawkdown4376 4 года назад

    Loved this episode. So great i wil watch it again

  • @abdulkadiraltunbay4299
    @abdulkadiraltunbay4299 4 года назад +1

    I am very gratefull for all of this work please keep it up!!

  • @benitorodriguez4344
    @benitorodriguez4344 Год назад +2

    Great content gentlemen, keep up the good work! Bravo victor!👊🏼🇺🇸

  • @sethheaton9812
    @sethheaton9812 4 года назад

    Love your content. Thanks!

  • @rafaeldiromano2085
    @rafaeldiromano2085 2 года назад

    Great video, as always!

  • @edsalisch4322
    @edsalisch4322 4 года назад +4

    I really liked this video, I just wished you had gone over the medallions on the armor of the Centurion.

  • @cinnamon3578
    @cinnamon3578 4 года назад

    More Roman history please. I love you K&G

  • @RaiderLeo69
    @RaiderLeo69 4 года назад

    Awesome as always!

  • @CitadelDefense1
    @CitadelDefense1 4 года назад +23

    NCOs, making a difference since the beginning.

  • @dingus8531
    @dingus8531 4 года назад +1

    Love your videos!

  • @interestinglife934
    @interestinglife934 3 года назад

    What an interesting topic and such fitting beautiful music.

  • @stevensmith8008
    @stevensmith8008 4 года назад +1

    Great video, as always...

  • @adamorlowski4886
    @adamorlowski4886 4 года назад

    Another great video!

  • @sebastiantapia804
    @sebastiantapia804 3 года назад

    great content, thank you

  • @gilgalad7698
    @gilgalad7698 3 года назад +8

    In his last battle Spartacus killed few centurions when he tryed to reach Crassus. He was a badass.

  • @mohammadsaida4603
    @mohammadsaida4603 3 года назад +1

    Too nice history video with clearly explaining thanks 👍🙏

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex 4 года назад

    Awesome!! Love these videos 👌😎

  • @ziib123
    @ziib123 4 года назад +2

    Centurion Foley: Ramirez! Man that scorpion on top of the Garum Town!

  • @swordsmen8856
    @swordsmen8856 4 года назад +3

    could you guys do a video about enlisted roman soldiers and boot camp in the early imperial rome?

    • @paprskomet
      @paprskomet 4 года назад

      ...and why not also about later imperial Rome?They never stopped having it(contrary to popular prejudice).

    • @swordsmen8856
      @swordsmen8856 4 года назад

      @@paprskomet
      because Rome had a long history and I wanted to give them a specific ballpark.

  • @Centurion_XIV
    @Centurion_XIV 4 года назад

    I like those kind of videos 😏
    Keep up the good work !

  • @replecon1408
    @replecon1408 4 года назад

    Very well done!

  • @fabioferrarese5600
    @fabioferrarese5600 4 года назад +3

    3:28 and again, some things never change in italy

  • @jellyorwhat3343
    @jellyorwhat3343 3 года назад +2

    Damn, I had no idea how bad ass centurions have been!

    • @Bean_Ernesto44
      @Bean_Ernesto44 3 года назад

      After his rework, everything changed

  • @darkdragoon2002
    @darkdragoon2002 4 года назад +12

    You should do a video on roles like the aquilifer and signifer

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 4 года назад +3

    Great! more Roman Videos!

  • @javihunter9780
    @javihunter9780 4 года назад

    u know i LOVE ur Channel

  • @bestsport9044
    @bestsport9044 4 года назад

    Top quality... as usual :)

  • @rakeshtom1405
    @rakeshtom1405 4 года назад

    More on this please

  • @Daruliable
    @Daruliable 4 года назад +3

    Great video, centurion forever

  • @SquirrelGrrl
    @SquirrelGrrl 4 года назад +1

    Fascinating!

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 4 года назад +1

    Thank you

  • @Beef_3E
    @Beef_3E 4 года назад

    Love that Paradox is sponsoring Kings and Generals. Love PDX games! HOI4, CK2, IR and EU4 especially!

  • @denniscleary7580
    @denniscleary7580 4 года назад +2

    You had me at Roman Kings 👍

  • @frenchsterr4708
    @frenchsterr4708 4 месяца назад

    Excellent

  • @erfan3578
    @erfan3578 4 года назад +1

    THANK YOU KINGS AND GENERALS for not making a video about organization of Persian armies don't tell me they were not organized well because you cant have a empire for nearly one thousand years without a good army and they are not many videos about that

  • @garyang7166
    @garyang7166 4 года назад +1

    what a treat

  • @dylanjwagner
    @dylanjwagner 4 года назад +30

    As an aside, a century (centuria) was composed of 10 8-man contubernia, making it 80-man strong. Not 100, as you said at ~15:00.

    • @TitusVarus
      @TitusVarus 4 года назад +13

      I doubt you'll get much response to your correction, though you are in fact perfectly correct. In previous videos on legionary organisation they repeat the modern conjecture of contubernia being 8 fighting men and 2 servants, centuries being 80 fighting men and 20 non-combatants, taking it all the way to legions being composed of 4,800 legionaries and 1,200 servants. I've pointed this out a couple of times and requested sources, but have had no reply. It began to irritate me to the point that I contacted a very eminent historian of the Roman military, and he confirmed that it was bullshit conjecture that didn't even make any sense when subjected to more thorough analysis. I think they may be getting this idea from 'The Great Courses Plus' as other RUclipsrs using TGCP as their primary source have also repeated this.
      I love Kings and Generals, but their repeated use of this "fact" is really starting to turn me off their videos.

    • @TitusVarus
      @TitusVarus 4 года назад +8

      ​@Rick K I actually managed to track down the source. They're getting the numbers from Jonathan P. Roth's The Logistics of the Roman Army at War. The problem is that Roth himself makes a point (on more than one occasion) of saying that his figures are merely estimates, and should not be taken as representative of the Roman army as a whole. He also asserts that though present, these military servants (or calones) were not officially part of any military unit within the legion.
      Essentially the historian (Roth) estimated that in every legion there'd be a 4:1 ratio of combatants/non-combatants, and then divided that all the way down to contubernium level, giving a rough estimate of 2 servants per 8 legionaries, 20 per century and so forth. Someone read this and got the idea that there were dedicated calones attached to each century, thus part of the unit. From the evidence we have (and there isn't much), this was not the case. The calones made up one segment of a legion's camp followers, and probably carried some of the heavier gear and did some more menial work around the camp. They were not on the army rolls, and their levels of training and ability varied enormously.

    • @maxhutto3056
      @maxhutto3056 4 года назад +1

      I love how any video that references Rome has its chat turn into an intellectual debate.

    • @TitusVarus
      @TitusVarus 4 года назад +2

      @@maxhutto3056 I rarely comment to be honest. I only did in this case because Kings and Generals put out great content, and I didn't like the idea of modern conjecture being repeated as fact.
      Mostly I like to sit and have K & G marathons. I think I've watched their Mongol series three or four times already.

    • @maxhutto3056
      @maxhutto3056 4 года назад +7

      I just enjoy the fact that Rome brings civilization to savages even on the Internet.

  • @Miamcoline
    @Miamcoline 4 года назад

    Well done covering an important question mark of history again. A little more detail please if you can!

  • @hammadikhlaq7570
    @hammadikhlaq7570 4 года назад

    Restlessly waiting for your next video on Ottoman Empire Series. Please upload it soon.

  • @khalidalali186
    @khalidalali186 4 года назад +11

    They sound similar to Janissaries.

    • @ryannguyen7466
      @ryannguyen7466 4 года назад +1

      Even today, most modern militaries operate the same doctrine that the Roman came up with millennia ago, which just show how those Roman's doctrines were ahead of its time. The most visible is the change of command of a cohort (or company level), in which the commanding officer were rotate between one unit to another every 2 years.

    • @khalidalali186
      @khalidalali186 4 года назад +6

      Of course, no one can deny that. But I was merely referring to the tradition of donatives upon the ascension of a new emperor. The Ottoman Sultans were forced to do the same thing, and I say forced, because they had to appease them, lest they get killed. Did all Roman Emperors do that from the same position of weakness?

    • @elipersky1591
      @elipersky1591 4 года назад

      @@khalidalali186 Yes. Several Roman emperors were toppled by not being generous enough towards the army and the Praetorians (see the fall of Pertinax and ascension of Didius Julianus). And every time a 3rd Century emperor raised legionary pay to ensure their loyalty, good luck to his successor if he wanted to bring that pay down again.

    • @Kbuildsmodels_24
      @Kbuildsmodels_24 4 года назад

      Khalid AlAli Yeah it’s almost the same what happened to both the Janissary’s and the Pretorian Guard, I think it was Sultan Selim III who had to massacre them in their barracks because the Janissary’s would be the elite in Ottoman society and they were offended by the military modernization of the Nizam-i Djedid. Both Rome and Ottomans had to put these once elite units down due to them being too influential. There was even a moment where the Pretorians would sell the throne to the highest bidder in the Roman Empire!Although I would say that the Varangian Guard that Roman Empire had later in the middle ages were alot more loyal than the Pretorians in the early era of Rome, the Varangian Guard fought and died for the Roman Empire up until Sultan Mehmed’s conquest of Constantinople in 1453.

    • @khalidalali186
      @khalidalali186 4 года назад

      Thanks brother! And it was Sultan Mahmoud II who had them massacred.

  • @Aeyekay0
    @Aeyekay0 4 года назад +1

    Titus Pollo and Lucius Vorenus would be very pleased with this video.

  • @gaslitworldf.melissab2897
    @gaslitworldf.melissab2897 4 года назад

    Brilliant.

  • @hectorgravesantiagonil2118
    @hectorgravesantiagonil2118 3 года назад +1

    Oh well. Here I go binge watching Rome again.

  • @ryanrobot2003
    @ryanrobot2003 3 года назад

    Good job

  • @manooxi327
    @manooxi327 4 года назад +1

    tnx

  • @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164
    @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 4 года назад +1

    Thos Roman military video is fascinating.

  • @Raz.C
    @Raz.C 4 года назад +2

    A centurion commanded (on average) about 100 men. Modern militaries refer to this number of men as a company/ battery and are commanded by- for the most part- a captain. That would make a captain the rough equivalent of a Roman centurion, at least in terms of the number of soldiers he was responsible for. That's a somewhat useful comparison, since as a child, I used to think of a centurion as the equivalent of a corporal and a tribune as the equivalent of a sergeant (at the time, I didn't know ALL the things wrong with that comparison...)