I bought a Leica M6 out of hype and romanticism. It took me a year to realize that my Nikon FM2n worked smoother, was more versatile (1/4000s !!!) and could focus closer for those great portraits. I sold the M6 and never regretted it.
@@Art-cq1zy no, I sold it long time ago. I stopped shooting film regularly in early 2018. I’m full digital now although I still have a Bronica SQa somewhere in the closet
Great you're back in to it Coops. If you want to save money go Leica Thread Mount (LTM39) and get a Canon 7 and a Jupiter-8, you'll get both for $300. Big viewfinder, bright rangefinder patch, selectable viewfinder lines, very smooth film advance. And if you're lucky a working selenium meter which does not require batteries.
I spent about 5 months backpacking in Asia and have to say I was pretty happy for the weight saved with the original fantastic plastic Bessa R. Epic beard by the way :)
I'm a very satisfied Voigtlander Bessa-R (LTM) owner, and I don't really care that much about what you're saying. I just love watching a real-life giant with a wicked Australian accent talk about analog photography, so cheers for all you do, mate ; )
Thanks again for the great video Coops! I do notice that everybody is talking about precision and built quality when they talk about Leica. But I've seen many that need very expensive CLA's to get going again, while I have Pentax K1000 of almost 40 years old that is modified for my even older M42 Takumar 50 1.4. The camera nor the lens have been CLA'd ever and it looks like new. I don't know it's previous life but I shoot at least 5 rolls a week with it. Shutter speeds are accurate, meter is perfect, glass is dust and fungus free and that focus throw is so smooth and firm at the same time. The whole kit cost me less then 200 euro. It's not even close to the price of a CLA of a Leica. I think it does give some perspective in terms like quality and reliability. And maybe precision too because a patch in the center can never give the same precision als a through the lens edge to edge focus. That being said, I want a Leica.
As a relatively "ancient" old Yankee who is loosing his hearing, I would enjoy you videos a lot more if; Please add closed captions. OR Just speak a bit slower. (I'm near 70, and very much enjoy your videos!)
I once had an M6. And it was unfortunately the worst camera I ever had (and I say this although I am a German). Three times broken (light meter, view finder, frame counter), three times out for repair at Leica, three times rather high repair costs. I then swapped it for a Bessa R4A, kept the Leica lenses (they are indeed great) and added some more from Voigtländer - and I am happy since then. The Bessa is still working fine (did just use a Fuji Neopan 400 roll with it today). Maybe I just had bad luck with my M6. But three times bad luck for such an expensive camera was just too much for me. :-(
Here in the UK the Bessa cameras have increased in value to the point that some of them cost as much as a Leica M2/ M3/ M4/ M5 (£600 to £700). My own preference is for the Leica in that situation as they just feel nicer to use.
As an old retired guy, my pension would never allow a Leica purchase. I did manage to acquire a Minolta CLE and 5 lenses at an Estate Sale. After watching your video on the CLE I became more enthused about the little Minolta rangefinder. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Great video. I think all of those viewing realize the better build quality of the Leica M, along with a sustainable resale value, but like you said, a camera is a tool and my professor would argue in favor of spending less on the body, and more on quality glass
This video is really helpful for me. I have seen considering a Leica for a while. I recently discovered the voigtlander bessa rangefinder cameras. I think the bessa might be a better fit for me. I'm currently a Nikon film shooter. I've never used a Leica so I wouldn't know what I was missing. The bessa seems more like a working class tool which would suit me just fine.
Leica M2 M3, M4 are my favourite cameras much cheaper than the M6 or M7. The whole point of buying the early cameras is that you learn about the sunny 16 rule, which brings an increased pleasure, fun and understanding of photography. On another point the early Ms don't need batteries the Bessa does.
Are you serious? You live in a country without batteries? If you can't be bothered carrying a spare set of batteries, then you clearly can't be bothered carrying spare rolls of film. In other words, why are you bothering to use a camera?
Share the same opinion. The Leica fell is nicer in hand but results are to me the same. And I use a Zeiss Ikon ZM a lot due to apertire priority. Need to properly test a Bessa.
I have a Bessa R3m, R4m and a Leica M6ttl. Zeiss ZM lenses on all. Although the M6 feels better quality wise, I find myself using the Bessas most of the time.
Something to mention about the R3A (may apply to other Bessas I can't recall) is the ability to compose and focus with both eyes open because the viewfinder is 1x magnification which is great for changing scenes and subjects.
A much cheaper mechanical option with a similar 1:1 viewfinder is the Canon P. Built like a tank, fully mechanical with no light meter. They've survived much better than Leica M3's because they use steel shutter curtains and are remarkably easy to service. Very thankful that they've stayed out of the limelight with trends, they cost about half the price of a Bessa R.
I thought it’s obvious shooting film nowadays in digital age imply image quality is not the priority, experience of shooting always comes first for me, the body matters.
Great advice Coops, I believe it's better to have a cheap camera and money to buy film, and shoot with some film, than a expensive camera, and only take digital pictures of the expensive camera to share in the social media. People take the pictures, not the camera. Big hug from Portugal
I got the Bessa R and the Voigtlander 35mm. I do not know what I'm missing because I never used a Leica. I never had a Leica because I cannot afford one. In my opinion, you MUST do you. The rest is irrelevant. When it's time to shoot, shoot. Don't talk! - Tuco Thank you for the review Coop.
Used to shoot a contax g2 for years, Beats any leica as far as I'm concerned. Excellent lenses too. Eventually sold it to fund other lenses, still sorry I did.
Great review, i have had a very similar experience. I had a bessa R and now have an M4-2 with a fresh CLA that looks and feels new. Buuut i miss the Bessa... The Leicas finder is absolutely impossible to use with Glasses to see the 35mm framelines, i miss the 1/2000s and i want 40mm framelines to use my nokton classic. About the RF base length: there is a good chart on rangefinderforum that calculates for most rf cameras whether a lens is ok to focus with regards to the baselength of the camera. The Bessa R(2) baselength is long enough for ANY lens up to 50mm f1.0. The hexanon 60 1.2 would be too fast, 75mm 2.5 is barely within reach and 90/4 is also a close pass. So unless you shoot fast, long lenses the bessa r baselength is long enough for anything you can get your hands on
The Leica was out of my budget and did not want to buy one, now after watching your video, I want a Bessa. If my girlfriend question me on this purchase, I will blame you 😊 super nice video on the 2 by the way
Great points. In my opinion the Leica's are a little overrated if you look at the function, but they are an absolute joy to shoot because they are so well built. I was looking for an R3M or R4M, before I came across the M5 that I ended up getting. For anyone wanting to get a film rangefinder I would highly recommend a Canonet QL25 - I have two myself - because it's cheap and extremely well built, the lens is sharp and the viewfinder and rangefinder are comparable to an M2 (if you get one in mint condition). Beard looks good btw!
You really nailed it in this video and your Nikon F80 video. I actually own a leica, R2a and a Nikon F80 and totally agree . A bit of shrewd thinking can put you well ahead of the film communities confirmation bias I think! still some great bargains to be had. The only thing I can add is if people want to shoot LTM glass to give the Canon P an honest look at $200 aud. Every bit as well built as a Leica just a dimmer but still capable rangefinder patch Keep making great content:)
OG Bessa R with LTM mount at sub 400 dollars near mint, an early Jupiter 8 comes at only around 80 and a nice voigtlander 35mm color-skopar can be bought for sub 300. Great deal if you just want a basic fully manual range finder with great performance.
Larry McCormick, Bremerton WA Just saw one of your vids for the 1st time. Really enjoyed it. I have a Bessa-L with the 15mm Heliar f4.5, but the Rangefinder I really love is my Fujica V2 . Beautiful, very smartly designed fast lens and they're very reasonable on EBay. There is a great, very detailed video that I saw and then found my camera at a thrift store the next day for $20. It was an omen to me, and I love it. LEICA, LOVE them, but can't afford ! All my digital are FUJI and I think they make the most intelligent cameras especially for people who still love the analog styling with the modern improvements. And they listen to their people and constantly improve their firmware and each successive camera. And they are very reasonably priced from the get-go ! You can also get older lenses and adapters for a lot of experimental fun. That's the point for me with Fuji, high quality, great prices and fun, fun, and did I say FUN !!! I subscribed, thanks for listening. LarryMac
I opted for a much cheaper option and went with the Minlolta Hi-Matic 7s II with fixed 40mm f/1.7 lens. It's a good enough rangefinder for my needs. I'd rather invest money into medium format film gear than either a Leica or Bessa R. Just my opinion of course :)
I would love a Leica, but I'm gunning for a Zeiss Ikon ZM. I owned it previously but had to sell it. It was so great when I had it and I miss shooting with it.
Derick Somoso there great cameras. I just have never been able to find a nice black one at a reasonable price. Search for a long time about a year ago with no luck
Shootswithcoops yeah they've definitely gone up in price.. When I bought mine, it was around 1200 USD for a black one.. l: gotta pick one up soon and hold on to it
To me there are 4 flagship metered RF's and they are the Lecia M6, Voigtlander Bessa R2A, Minolta CLE, and the Zeiss Ikon ZM. I'd love to see a comparison of all 4. I own the Minolta CLE and my biggest complaint is the short baselength, lack of metering in full manual, and the absence of ergonomics. I've never used a Leica or Zeiss Ikon, but the Bessa is far more comfortable vs. the Minolta. I used one in a film camera shop and loved it. Still pricey these days however and will run you 800-1000USDfor a body if you find a decent deal. Zeiss Ikon is known for the massive rangefinder. I know nothing about how it handles or how well built it is.
Great video dude! I had a choice between Voigtlander and Leica about a year ago. I really wanted to buy a Leica but I didn't want to spend that much money on it. But I found out about about M4-2 and M4-P models that are much cheaper because they are made in Canada. I got my M4-P in Moscow for about $700 and I'm absolutely happy with it. You should definitely get your hands on one of these
Egor R thanks for watching mate. I did try to get a m4-2 here is Australia but i missed out on one. The eBay prices on those cameras are getting ridiculous currently. But there a great option for sure
I looked into buying a Bessa but was seeing Leica M3's for the same price so I just bought an M3 instead. In the US you can get a good condition M3 for $900.
Cameras are small objects of desire and certain brands evoke a strong emotional response because of associations with great historical images and/or photographers. In some cases, technical or design aspects will be the motivator. Perceived quality can be a factor, in the way the engineering excellence of a Rolex clearly surpasses that of a Timex, although both are capable of accurately and reliably displaying the time. Other than situations that require very specific requirements, the 'artist-photographer should be capable of producing great work from any number of cameras/lenses now cheaply available. Thinking that we need to have all of our ducks in a row and be armed with the best equipment to be a photographer isn't healthy thinking. Van Goch still painted, even when he couldn't afford good paints or even canvases.
the only issue with selling a Leica is that you will buy one again later. So moving to the Bessa seems cheaper, but it actually costs your more in the end.
Dude I am from San Francisco, and Years ago I got me a RF camera in which I could afford a Leica, so in what I got was a 1958 Yashica YF in which it looks like a M3 and it's about the size of the Bessa, but the film advance was located on the side of the camera just like the Canon SLR RM. In which go some Canon Glass on the body that it has been to Japan twice, and the Philippines as along my Contax II as I took a lot of photos as I shot the B/W on both models. In ending Remember this saying as Edward Stiechen said this in 1955: "No Photographer Is As Good As The Simplest Camera" Good day mate...
Ive always wanted a Leica M. I’ve been buying and flipping cameras for a while trying to get one, but a simple M3 is still $1,000+ for just a body. I ended up finding a Leica MD (a Leica 2 without viewfinder) for $250. Now to see what this Leica hype is about. Hoping to get a Minolta 28/2.8 as a starter lens for now.
Between the two (Bessa & Leica) there are the Zeiss Ikon ZM, Konica Hexar RF and maybe the Minolta CLE, all having the M-Mount in common and being rangefinder cameras. Anyway, thank you for the comparison :)
A big factor for getting an R2 was the age of the camera, Leica M's are 25+ years older than a Bessa and have plenty of mechanical issues to consider, it just wasn't worth the worry of something going wrong with an expensive Leica
Simple answer, NEITHER!!! I’ve owned and shot with both for over 50 years. I still own them as a collector and user but they are archaic! Basically, too little too late!
I like the quiet shutter of the m6 , it helps not to disturb people in the street. i also like that it is compact and not heavy. They keep their price also, in fact they seem to be going up in price not down.
Great to see you posting new content again. I've missed it. I have a Bessa R and like it a lot, although the meter seems to constantly over expose in most lighting situations (common problem I think?). Strap lugs seem to be in a strange place too, so the balance is off with most lenses fitted. I find the RF easy to use and the VF is incredibly bright. Very comfortable camera to use and thoroughly recommended. I don't have a Leica M body to compare it with, only an IIIf. Those two are very different bodies. If the workmanship in an IIIf is anything to go by, the Bessa won't compare to an M body in terms of build quality. The Bessa is a great range of camera bodies and you won't be afraid of taking them out to shoot with either :-) Cheers
With film cameras, isn’t good glass what separates images? The end result doesn’t really change depending on the camera used, does it? I do get the difference in look and feel during operation however, what is that worth to YOU?
Yeah, the camera doesn't make a noticeable difference to the photos, you're right about that. I've owned a Bessa R2M and still own a Leica M6. For me, I can say that the M6 being so nice to use, feeling so good in the hand and operating so smoothly is probably what keeps me going out and shooting. I think if I still had a Bessa, it would probably sit in some corner collecting dust. The Leica is just the right tool for me. Any other tool would fail to deliver what I need to keep shooting. But I completely see the point here. The Bessa is a extremely good alternative which for many people might even be the better choice. Especially if they would have to compromise in their lens choice if they get an M6. The glass is far more important than the camera.
Nice video! I would never sell my M6, though :-) But after using the M9 I find myself wanting a Bessa R3A for the aperture priority mode. It's really nice to have sometimes.
Until recently I just couldn't afford much for a rangefinder so had to be content with a collection of small cheap bodies like olympus 35 rc, ricoh 500 gx and a few yashica electros. After much deliberation I settled on a slightly used nikon s3 2000 with an older 50mm f2 lens. I chose this guy because it's only 20 years old and has no electronics at all so I expect it to last me a long time without problems. Maybe I'll bump into you around Freo sometime :-)
Shoots, I have a Canon Vt with the trigger wind , save alot on getting a Leicavit, but I also got a Yashica YF in which it is my Bessa Copy but the YF came out in 1958 by the company name Nicca which it merge with Yashica, and on both cameras that I can still get 39mm lenses, either from Japan, Germany, and Russian brand, and also that Cosina has stop making the Bessa line 35mm RF cameras, But they are still making the lenses for M mount... So I rather still be keeping the M6 line.... as I am not a fan of the M7 line...
WayneKnight_Rider yeh I know, apologies. Thought about re recording the video while I was editing but didn’t think I’d be able to word everything the same way lol
A Leica camera is like men's jewelry. If you have the money, go for it. After getting into photography for 15 years, I can shoot with anything, but I like wearing my jewelries when I go out.
There isn't anything impressive technically about a Leica, there really isn't. It's as simple as a camera gets, but it's all about the user experience. If you consider it's bested in technical ability by a Pentax Spotmatic, and how popular Leicas are, you know it's just something special... I have shot and owned a ton of cameras and nothing compares to how a Leica M feels in hand. It is just perfect in it's simplicity and the attention to detail just makes it a joy to shoot. They got it right 60+ years ago You can't go wrong with either system though and you do get more convenience with the Bessas. The price is definitely better too. M4s are somehow over 1000USD?? M6s for close to 2000? Come on. I could never justify paying almost an extra $1000 for an internal meter over my M2.
If I hadn't found a mint, first run M4 with a recent overhaul and CLA for $1,200 recently, it would've been an R2A for me. Using a jupiter as I save up for a 50mm that I would love; any thoughts? Love the videos, keep it up mate.
Amazing camera, and really beautiful looking too. It’s a real shame it’s made from plastic (even if it’s good plastic) such a deal breaker for me. Even though it doesn’t impact your image, the feel and build quality of a camera is so important to me. Great video by the way. You have yourself a new subscriber :)
You can always get a Leica M repaired because spare parts are readily available. I think trying to find spares for the Bessa's might prove difficult should anything break. The answer is simple. Buy a Leica to last a lifetime (or several) or buy a Bessa and throw it away when it wears out...
Bessa's have skyrocketed in price in recent years. In my opinion it's not worth the premium to get a Bessa unless you need the different frameline options that the various models provide. Leica's are just built better and feel very solid, and in many cases you can find M2's and M4-2's for less than some models of the Voigtlanders. I've shot with the R2A, R3M and they were great fun, but they just didn't compare to my M2 or M6.
djnato10 totally agree, the Leicas are much better. I just got lucky with my bessa being quite cheap in comparison. I have seen the eBay bessa prices. Your right. Some are getting a bit pricy
absolutely loving your content, you have renewed my desire for photography. One quick question though what do you record your youtube videos with? i've tried to find the answer but I am having no such luck.
I dont understand everyone talking about how much cheaper the bessas are than the leicas, maybe if you are comparing the original bessa R l39 mount to an m6 or m7, but when you look at up newer bessas on ebay the r3 bodies and newer are starting at around $650 going all the way up to $1200, and you can get a well used m2, m3, or m4 for $550 to $900 depending on condition if you look hard enough and are patient for 2 weeks to a month while searching. can someone chime in if there is a cheaper place to buy bessa bodies from? Thanks!
Thanks for your insights. Your spot on with consumer mentality lol. But once one goes leica youll never go back...at least eventually realise that sooner or later lol
hello dear thanks for the advises. I would like to ask if the mount of this camera matches with my Helios lens M39 mount or my Sonnar M42 mount?? do you know?
I currently shoot with an M3, but considering the Bessa R because I think I would really benefit from the built in light meter. Was switching to a Bessa from a Leica a huge shock for you in terms of the build quality? Was it something you got used to?
Aaron Crabtree it’s not that the bessa isn’t well built, it’s just not as well built as a Leica. But it’s a really nice camera to use. Very comfortable in the hand, very light.
@@LaughingStock_ Integrated but eats more battery, and very expensive repair in case of failure. And the viewfinders of the Leica prior to the m4p are better, that's all. They are made to be accurate at usual working distances, not at the minimum focusing distance... Not to mention the frames that pollute the viewfinder... But we always think we have certainties, like the one that makes you put the Ukrainian flag as avatar... Maybe one day you will realize that you should not have!
To be honest man I’m pretty angry with Leica right now .you can’t carry on about wanting to save film photography etc etc etc, all the media push they have been doing over the last 2 months in the run up to the New M6 release. Then ask people to pay $8400 AUD for one. It’s the 1% of people who shoot film and can afford that camera The original rumour; new M6 that was lower cost than the MP without brass etc etc, they were poised to absolutely kill it. This is a camera that if they really wanted to “save” film should have been built and priced much differently, around the 4-5k AUD mark If they had have made something the masses could potentially afford, and they sold enough of them, that could almost push the other big manufacturers; pref Nikon and a new FM3a, to bring new film cameras to market again But they have royally screwed the pooch on this one. People can bitch and moan about mechanical perfection all they want, and how it’s worth it for a handmade piece of equipment, but that’s just the bullshit they tell themselves to justify the purchase. Yes they are great cameras. Probably the best made cameras on the planet, but In todays global financial market, only the rich will buy one to put on their shelf.
I'm thinking of selling my m4-P to get a bessa and use the extra cash on a scanner because my scanner just broke. Still can't decide if i should do it. Love my leica but it's still a tool.
Guy Butterworth hmm that’s a good question. Can’t comment on the canon. But I’ve owned several F3’s. The film advance on the F3 is a lot nicer. Bessa is smaller and Lighter but. But rangefinder vs slr so depends on your preference. Both great cameras
Hello Coops, I'm going to buy the Bessa R but I find difficult to know which lens is for it. I read that Bessa R can use Leica M39 lenses, right? But on Ebay, some people are selling Bessa R for L-Mount. And L mount and m39 is not the same. Can you tell me which is right? M39 or L mount? Thanks, Coops.
Take a look at the Voigtlander lenses. They do a 50mm ƒ1.5 Nokton, a great lens. As for M or L, it depends which version you choose, but of course all L lenses can be adapted to M mount.
You must have bought this a long time ago. With the exception of the very old R2 original, the newer cameras like the R2A cost almost the same as an M6. You’d be mad to buy an electronic shutter plastic fantastic electronics dependent rangefinder for that kind of money.
Shootswithcoops Geez! Is it’s more important, how the camera looks what kind of pictures it enables you to take? First of all, it’s quite sexy in person, especially the black model with the streps only on the side like it’s meant to, secondly you have giant hands so you will really appreciate the slightly larger body and over hanging shutter speed dial. The M5 has the most precise light meter, most informative viewfinder and the best ergonomics of any rangefinder camera. Also it’s a Leica, so it doesn’t need a battery to shoot, has a quiet shutter, life’s longer, feels better and has a much more prices rangefinder than the Bessa.
Christopher Reyes totally up to you man, the R3 has a more magnified rangefinder so it's better for 50mm lenses, if you shoot wide lenses go for a different model
Stephen Hibbs I think it’s a better camera than the Minolta cle. The Minolta is a much better looking camera, but I found it a bit hard to use compared to a Leica or bessa
Simone Gancayco Minoltas aperture priority mode (which is the reason most people buy that camera) works in a pretty funky way. Bessa operates much better. But Minolta has a much nicer shutter than the bessa
Am I the only one who has enough budget to buy a leica but instead buying a Bessa R4m mainly because its light weight advantage? There were weeks that I was so desperated pulling out my gears and calculated all weight. Saving only 50 grams on a day trip under 40 degree Celcius is important to me. The Bessa, R4a & R4m, framelines of 21mm and 25mm also fit to my wide lenses and shooting style but the total combo weight always come first. I don't care about a life long lasting camera after I pass away. I just need an easy carrying camera with good ergonomic while I am alive. If I bought a Leica, I would keep it in a humidity control cabinet as my vintage watches. Nowaday, I use a smart watch with its a heart rate and an oxygen censors. LOL
I feel like Thor is talking to me about cameras. A little turned on not gonna lie
N8 hahaha thanks mate
I bought a Leica M6 out of hype and romanticism. It took me a year to realize that my Nikon FM2n worked smoother, was more versatile (1/4000s !!!) and could focus closer for those great portraits. I sold the M6 and never regretted it.
I want a leica m6 ttl but for 3k its insane i also have a fm2n and a contax g2 which both together are still less than a m6 body
@@Art-cq1zy back in the day I paid $1300 for the M6
@@FotosyMas. do you still use your fm2n ? Even the bessas now are hovering around 2k
@@Art-cq1zy no, I sold it long time ago. I stopped shooting film regularly in early 2018. I’m full digital now although I still have a Bronica SQa somewhere in the closet
@@FotosyMas. oh forsure. Im the opposite. Sold all my digital stuff and only shoot film. How’s the bronica? I have a GS1 thats been pretty good
Maybe it's worth to mention that there's the Bessa R4M with a viewfinder for lenses from 21 to 50, so very wide angle and R3M from 40 to 90.
Great you're back in to it Coops. If you want to save money go Leica Thread Mount (LTM39) and get a Canon 7 and a Jupiter-8, you'll get both for $300. Big viewfinder, bright rangefinder patch, selectable viewfinder lines, very smooth film advance. And if you're lucky a working selenium meter which does not require batteries.
In your hands Bessa R looks like a compact camera :)
I spent about 5 months backpacking in Asia and have to say I was pretty happy for the weight saved with the original fantastic plastic Bessa R. Epic beard by the way :)
I'm a very satisfied Voigtlander Bessa-R (LTM) owner, and I don't really care that much about what you're saying. I just love watching a real-life giant with a wicked Australian accent talk about analog photography, so cheers for all you do, mate ; )
Thanks again for the great video Coops! I do notice that everybody is talking about precision and built quality when they talk about Leica. But I've seen many that need very expensive CLA's to get going again, while I have Pentax K1000 of almost 40 years old that is modified for my even older M42 Takumar 50 1.4. The camera nor the lens have been CLA'd ever and it looks like new. I don't know it's previous life but I shoot at least 5 rolls a week with it. Shutter speeds are accurate, meter is perfect, glass is dust and fungus free and that focus throw is so smooth and firm at the same time. The whole kit cost me less then 200 euro. It's not even close to the price of a CLA of a Leica. I think it does give some perspective in terms like quality and reliability. And maybe precision too because a patch in the center can never give the same precision als a through the lens edge to edge focus. That being said, I want a Leica.
As a relatively "ancient" old Yankee who is loosing his hearing, I would enjoy you videos a lot more if;
Please add closed captions.
OR
Just speak a bit slower.
(I'm near 70, and very much enjoy your videos!)
I once had an M6. And it was unfortunately the worst camera I ever had (and I say this although I am a German). Three times broken (light meter, view finder, frame counter), three times out for repair at Leica, three times rather high repair costs.
I then swapped it for a Bessa R4A, kept the Leica lenses (they are indeed great) and added some more from Voigtländer - and I am happy since then. The Bessa is still working fine (did just use a Fuji Neopan 400 roll with it today).
Maybe I just had bad luck with my M6. But three times bad luck for such an expensive camera was just too much for me. :-(
That beard is thicc mate.
Here in the UK the Bessa cameras have increased in value to the point that some of them cost as much as a Leica M2/ M3/ M4/ M5 (£600 to £700). My own preference is for the Leica in that situation as they just feel nicer to use.
Mathew Chatterton well that sucks if they have gotten then expensive. Yeah I would probably choose a Leica over it in that’s case.
Same in Germany. The Voigtländers were nice alternatives around 8/9 years ago.
The prices for the Bessa have gone up a lot with a bit of luck can get a Leica for less
Coop is such a great personality in the film community. Always appreciate your videos mate!
Stefano Terrana means a lot to hear that! Thanks mate
This was the most cut to chase, open personality review of a camera I’ve seen, ever. I absolutely love Australian’s way of expressing their opinions.
Good to know that the Bessa is lightweight. So excited for mine to arrive!
As an old retired guy, my pension would never allow a Leica purchase. I did manage to acquire a Minolta CLE and 5 lenses at an Estate Sale. After watching your video on the CLE I became more enthused about the little Minolta rangefinder. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Great video. I think all of those viewing realize the better build quality of the Leica M, along with a sustainable resale value, but like you said, a camera is a tool and my professor would argue in favor of spending less on the body, and more on quality glass
This video is really helpful for me. I have seen considering a Leica for a while. I recently discovered the voigtlander bessa rangefinder cameras. I think the bessa might be a better fit for me. I'm currently a Nikon film shooter. I've never used a Leica so I wouldn't know what I was missing. The bessa seems more like a working class tool which would suit me just fine.
Leica M2 M3, M4 are my favourite cameras much cheaper than the M6 or M7. The whole point of buying the early cameras is that you learn about the sunny 16 rule, which brings an increased pleasure, fun and understanding of photography. On another point the early Ms don't need batteries the Bessa does.
Are you serious? You live in a country without batteries? If you can't be bothered carrying a spare set of batteries, then you clearly can't be bothered carrying spare rolls of film. In other words, why are you bothering to use a camera?
Share the same opinion. The Leica fell is nicer in hand but results are to me the same. And I use a Zeiss Ikon ZM a lot due to apertire priority. Need to properly test a Bessa.
Thanks Nico, love your channel mate. I’ve seen your zeiss ikon videos and enjoyed them
Thanks! Got a few ideas from this video to compare my Zeiss to the Leica equivalent. Keep up the great content!
I have a Bessa R3m, R4m and a Leica M6ttl. Zeiss ZM lenses on all. Although the M6 feels better quality wise, I find myself using the Bessas most of the time.
Something to mention about the R3A (may apply to other Bessas I can't recall) is the ability to compose and focus with both eyes open because the viewfinder is 1x magnification which is great for changing scenes and subjects.
A much cheaper mechanical option with a similar 1:1 viewfinder is the Canon P. Built like a tank, fully mechanical with no light meter. They've survived much better than Leica M3's because they use steel shutter curtains and are remarkably easy to service. Very thankful that they've stayed out of the limelight with trends, they cost about half the price of a Bessa R.
@@jonathans.9372 Only downside is threadmount only but I know Voigtlander still makes modern lenses in LTM.
The quality in analog photography is determined by the film emulsion and the lens.
The camera body is just a film and lens holder.
We often forget that indeed
I thought it’s obvious shooting film nowadays in digital age imply image quality is not the priority, experience of shooting always comes first for me, the body matters.
Well said!
Well, if that body is made of cheese. Is that statement relevant?
@@tekoppentekoppen761 Yes, and your statement is irrelevant
Great advice Coops, I believe it's better to have a cheap camera and money to buy film, and shoot with some film, than a expensive camera, and only take digital pictures of the expensive camera to share in the social media. People take the pictures, not the camera. Big hug from Portugal
Film Love Photography thanks mate. Appreciate the feedback
I got the Bessa R and the Voigtlander 35mm. I do not know what I'm missing because I never used a Leica. I never had a Leica because I cannot afford one. In my opinion, you MUST do you. The rest is irrelevant.
When it's time to shoot, shoot. Don't talk! - Tuco
Thank you for the review Coop.
Used to shoot a contax g2 for years, Beats any leica as far as I'm concerned. Excellent lenses too. Eventually sold it to fund other lenses, still sorry I did.
Great review, i have had a very similar experience. I had a bessa R and now have an M4-2 with a fresh CLA that looks and feels new. Buuut i miss the Bessa... The Leicas finder is absolutely impossible to use with Glasses to see the 35mm framelines, i miss the 1/2000s and i want 40mm framelines to use my nokton classic.
About the RF base length: there is a good chart on rangefinderforum that calculates for most rf cameras whether a lens is ok to focus with regards to the baselength of the camera. The Bessa R(2) baselength is long enough for ANY lens up to 50mm f1.0. The hexanon 60 1.2 would be too fast, 75mm 2.5 is barely within reach and 90/4 is also a close pass. So unless you shoot fast, long lenses the bessa r baselength is long enough for anything you can get your hands on
lauserlu that’s great info about the base length stats. That’s for that mate
The Leica was out of my budget and did not want to buy one, now after watching your video, I want a Bessa. If my girlfriend question me on this purchase, I will blame you 😊 super nice video on the 2 by the way
Nelson M. Better to ask forgiveness than permission hah
Great points. In my opinion the Leica's are a little overrated if you look at the function, but they are an absolute joy to shoot because they are so well built. I was looking for an R3M or R4M, before I came across the M5 that I ended up getting.
For anyone wanting to get a film rangefinder I would highly recommend a Canonet QL25 - I have two myself - because it's cheap and extremely well built, the lens is sharp and the viewfinder and rangefinder are comparable to an M2 (if you get one in mint condition).
Beard looks good btw!
You really nailed it in this video and your Nikon F80 video.
I actually own a leica, R2a and a Nikon F80 and totally agree . A bit of shrewd thinking can put you well ahead of the film communities confirmation bias I think! still some great bargains to be had.
The only thing I can add is if people want to shoot LTM glass to give the Canon P an honest look at $200 aud. Every bit as well built as a Leica just a dimmer but still capable rangefinder patch
Keep making great content:)
J w thanks mate
OG Bessa R with LTM mount at sub 400 dollars near mint, an early Jupiter 8 comes at only around 80 and a nice voigtlander 35mm color-skopar can be bought for sub 300. Great deal if you just want a basic fully manual range finder with great performance.
You're a gem Cooper. Love my M6 TTL. Those voigtlanders are sweet tho. Aperture Priority and a lock? Killer combo.
My feelings exactly. I sold my Leica which allowed me to purchase two Bessa R's and lenses. Never looked back.
Larry McCormick, Bremerton WA
Just saw one of your vids for the 1st time. Really enjoyed it. I have a Bessa-L with the 15mm Heliar f4.5, but the Rangefinder I really love is my Fujica V2 . Beautiful, very smartly designed fast lens and they're very reasonable on EBay. There is a great, very detailed video that I saw and then found my camera at a thrift store the next day for $20. It was an omen to me, and I love it. LEICA, LOVE them, but can't afford ! All my digital are FUJI and I think they make the most intelligent cameras especially for people who still love the analog styling with the modern improvements. And they listen to their people and constantly improve their firmware and each successive camera. And they are very reasonably priced from the get-go ! You can also get older lenses and adapters for a lot of experimental fun. That's the point for me with Fuji, high quality, great prices and fun, fun, and did I say FUN !!! I subscribed, thanks for listening. LarryMac
I opted for a much cheaper option and went with the Minlolta Hi-Matic 7s II with fixed 40mm f/1.7 lens. It's a good enough rangefinder for my needs. I'd rather invest money into medium format film gear than either a Leica or Bessa R. Just my opinion of course :)
Howie Mudge if it’s good enough for your needs then that’s all that matters 👍 medium format always a good way to go. I love shooting 120 film
I would love a Leica, but I'm gunning for a Zeiss Ikon ZM. I owned it previously but had to sell it. It was so great when I had it and I miss shooting with it.
Derick Somoso there great cameras. I just have never been able to find a nice black one at a reasonable price. Search for a long time about a year ago with no luck
Shootswithcoops yeah they've definitely gone up in price.. When I bought mine, it was around 1200 USD for a black one.. l: gotta pick one up soon and hold on to it
To me there are 4 flagship metered RF's and they are the Lecia M6, Voigtlander Bessa R2A, Minolta CLE, and the Zeiss Ikon ZM. I'd love to see a comparison of all 4. I own the Minolta CLE and my biggest complaint is the short baselength, lack of metering in full manual, and the absence of ergonomics. I've never used a Leica or Zeiss Ikon, but the Bessa is far more comfortable vs. the Minolta. I used one in a film camera shop and loved it. Still pricey these days however and will run you 800-1000USDfor a body if you find a decent deal. Zeiss Ikon is known for the massive rangefinder. I know nothing about how it handles or how well built it is.
Great video dude! I had a choice between Voigtlander and Leica about a year ago. I really wanted to buy a Leica but I didn't want to spend that much money on it. But I found out about about M4-2 and M4-P models that are much cheaper because they are made in Canada. I got my M4-P in Moscow for about $700 and I'm absolutely happy with it. You should definitely get your hands on one of these
Egor R thanks for watching mate. I did try to get a m4-2 here is Australia but i missed out on one. The eBay prices on those cameras are getting ridiculous currently. But there a great option for sure
I looked into buying a Bessa but was seeing Leica M3's for the same price so I just bought an M3 instead. In the US you can get a good condition M3 for $900.
Great discussion and conclusion - completely agree. The voigtlander is no Leica, but it is a great retro camera.
Cameras are small objects of desire and certain brands evoke a strong emotional response because of associations with great historical images and/or photographers. In some cases, technical or design aspects will be the motivator. Perceived quality can be a factor, in the way the engineering excellence of a Rolex clearly surpasses that of a Timex, although both are capable of accurately and reliably displaying the time. Other than situations that require very specific requirements, the 'artist-photographer should be capable of producing great work from any number of cameras/lenses now cheaply available. Thinking that we need to have all of our ducks in a row and be armed with the best equipment to be a photographer isn't healthy thinking. Van Goch still painted, even when he couldn't afford good paints or even canvases.
the only issue with selling a Leica is that you will buy one again later. So moving to the Bessa seems cheaper, but it actually costs your more in the end.
Dude I am from San Francisco, and Years ago I got me a RF camera in which I could afford a Leica, so in what I got was a 1958 Yashica YF in which it looks like a M3 and it's about the size of the Bessa, but the film advance was located on the side of the camera just like the Canon SLR RM. In which go some Canon Glass on the body that it has been to Japan twice, and the Philippines as along my Contax II as I took a lot of photos as I shot the B/W on both models. In ending Remember this saying as Edward Stiechen said this in 1955: "No Photographer Is As Good As The Simplest Camera" Good day mate...
I would suggest a Leica M2 because they are pretty cheap and are very well made with 35mm -50mm -90mm frame lines.
I think alot of people also sleep on Nikon S line as well as Nikon SP. I have a leica mda as well as a Nikon S3 and they are a joy to shoot
Ive always wanted a Leica M. I’ve been buying and flipping cameras for a while trying to get one, but a simple M3 is still $1,000+ for just a body. I ended up finding a Leica MD (a Leica 2 without viewfinder) for $250. Now to see what this Leica hype is about. Hoping to get a Minolta 28/2.8 as a starter lens for now.
Between the two (Bessa & Leica) there are the Zeiss Ikon ZM, Konica Hexar RF and maybe the Minolta CLE, all having the M-Mount in common and being rangefinder cameras. Anyway, thank you for the comparison :)
A big factor for getting an R2 was the age of the camera, Leica M's are 25+ years older than a Bessa and have plenty of mechanical issues to consider, it just wasn't worth the worry of something going wrong with an expensive Leica
Simple answer, NEITHER!!! I’ve owned and shot with both for over 50 years. I still own them as a collector and user but they are archaic! Basically, too little too late!
I like the quiet shutter of the m6 , it helps not to disturb people in the street. i also like that it is compact and not heavy. They keep their price also, in fact they seem to be going up in price not down.
SLIMNICS I totally forgot the mention the shutter on the Bessa. It’s very loud compared to the Leica
@@shootswithcoops yeh nah i think you did. You compared it to your old nikon sound. You don't have a leica m anymore ?
SLIMNICS nah sold off my M6 a while back for a bronica rf646
Great to see you posting new content again. I've missed it. I have a Bessa R and like it a lot, although the meter seems to constantly over expose in most lighting situations (common problem I think?). Strap lugs seem to be in a strange place too, so the balance is off with most lenses fitted. I find the RF easy to use and the VF is incredibly bright. Very comfortable camera to use and thoroughly recommended. I don't have a Leica M body to compare it with, only an IIIf. Those two are very different bodies. If the workmanship in an IIIf is anything to go by, the Bessa won't compare to an M body in terms of build quality. The Bessa is a great range of camera bodies and you won't be afraid of taking them out to shoot with either :-) Cheers
With film cameras, isn’t good glass what separates images? The end result doesn’t really change depending on the camera used, does it?
I do get the difference in look and feel during operation however, what is that worth to YOU?
Joe Lopez I agree, that’s why I have a really good zeiss lens on the bessa
Yeah, the camera doesn't make a noticeable difference to the photos, you're right about that.
I've owned a Bessa R2M and still own a Leica M6. For me, I can say that the M6 being so nice to use, feeling so good in the hand and operating so smoothly is probably what keeps me going out and shooting.
I think if I still had a Bessa, it would probably sit in some corner collecting dust.
The Leica is just the right tool for me. Any other tool would fail to deliver what I need to keep shooting.
But I completely see the point here. The Bessa is a extremely good alternative which for many people might even be the better choice.
Especially if they would have to compromise in their lens choice if they get an M6. The glass is far more important than the camera.
Nice video! I would never sell my M6, though :-)
But after using the M9 I find myself wanting a Bessa R3A for the aperture priority mode. It's really nice to have sometimes.
Until recently I just couldn't afford much for a rangefinder so had to be content with a collection of small cheap bodies like olympus 35 rc, ricoh 500 gx and a few yashica electros. After much deliberation I settled on a slightly used nikon s3 2000 with an older 50mm f2 lens. I chose this guy because it's only 20 years old and has no electronics at all so I expect it to last me a long time without problems. Maybe I'll bump into you around Freo sometime :-)
Base length also factors in finder magnification, so you have to do that math to accurately compare...
Shoots, I have a Canon Vt with the trigger wind , save alot on getting a Leicavit, but I also got a Yashica YF in which it is my Bessa Copy but the YF came out in 1958 by the company name Nicca which it merge with Yashica, and on both cameras that I can still get 39mm lenses, either from Japan, Germany, and Russian brand, and also that Cosina has stop making the Bessa line 35mm RF cameras, But they are still making the lenses for M mount... So I rather still be keeping the M6 line.... as I am not a fan of the M7 line...
Great video! Dude you should do podcasts on film photography. I'd listen. For me though, I'm sticking with the SLR system.
The Voightlander lenses are great
great content. regarding video, a lot of AF wobble (maybe just set it to MF if not moving), same with exposure.
WayneKnight_Rider yeh I know, apologies. Thought about re recording the video while I was editing but didn’t think I’d be able to word everything the same way lol
A Leica camera is like men's jewelry. If you have the money, go for it. After getting into photography for 15 years, I can shoot with anything, but I like wearing my jewelries when I go out.
what about that hassy in the back ? could you make a vid about it =
Marc H working on it as we speak
@@shootswithcoops thanks mate looking forward. my Hassy is still getting CLA, waiting to get it back
There isn't anything impressive technically about a Leica, there really isn't. It's as simple as a camera gets, but it's all about the user experience. If you consider it's bested in technical ability by a Pentax Spotmatic, and how popular Leicas are, you know it's just something special... I have shot and owned a ton of cameras and nothing compares to how a Leica M feels in hand. It is just perfect in it's simplicity and the attention to detail just makes it a joy to shoot. They got it right 60+ years ago
You can't go wrong with either system though and you do get more convenience with the Bessas. The price is definitely better too. M4s are somehow over 1000USD?? M6s for close to 2000? Come on. I could never justify paying almost an extra $1000 for an internal meter over my M2.
Completely agree.
I kinda need an update to this video now that 2yrs later the prices of a Bessa is similar to a Leica.
If I hadn't found a mint, first run M4 with a recent overhaul and CLA for $1,200 recently, it would've been an R2A for me. Using a jupiter as I save up for a 50mm that I would love; any thoughts? Love the videos, keep it up mate.
J Flowers thoughts on a good 50mm? Zeiss 50mm f2 planar is a great lens around 700-800aud. Or grab the Minolta 40mm f2 rokkor m mount
Amazing camera, and really beautiful looking too. It’s a real shame it’s made from plastic (even if it’s good plastic) such a deal breaker for me. Even though it doesn’t impact your image, the feel and build quality of a camera is so important to me. Great video by the way. You have yourself a new subscriber :)
Bessa vs Leica vs CLE video please :)
Dirty1200 hmmm good idea
What a refreshingly honest review. Thanks!
Bessa R2A with a LEICA 35MM 1.4 lens will be MAGICAL!
You can always get a Leica M repaired because spare parts are readily available. I think trying to find spares for the Bessa's might prove difficult should anything break. The answer is simple. Buy a Leica to last a lifetime (or several) or buy a Bessa and throw it away when it wears out...
Bessa's have skyrocketed in price in recent years. In my opinion it's not worth the premium to get a Bessa unless you need the different frameline options that the various models provide. Leica's are just built better and feel very solid, and in many cases you can find M2's and M4-2's for less than some models of the Voigtlanders. I've shot with the R2A, R3M and they were great fun, but they just didn't compare to my M2 or M6.
djnato10 totally agree, the Leicas are much better. I just got lucky with my bessa being quite cheap in comparison. I have seen the eBay bessa prices. Your right. Some are getting a bit pricy
Great video Coop. Can you make a video on how to make more ambiance in your photos with the use of a vape? Thanks!
I like your insightful perspective,thank you.
bessa also has a timer
absolutely loving your content, you have renewed my desire for photography. One quick question though what do you record your youtube videos with? i've tried to find the answer but I am having no such luck.
makeup_enthusiast_amp thankyou! Currently film with a Fuji Xt3
Purely based on shooting experience and handling, do you prefer the Bessa or Minolta CLE? Assuming with 40mm lens.
I dont understand everyone talking about how much cheaper the bessas are than the leicas, maybe if you are comparing the original bessa R l39 mount to an m6 or m7, but when you look at up newer bessas on ebay the r3 bodies and newer are starting at around $650 going all the way up to $1200, and you can get a well used m2, m3, or m4 for $550 to $900 depending on condition if you look hard enough and are patient for 2 weeks to a month while searching. can someone chime in if there is a cheaper place to buy bessa bodies from? Thanks!
Thanks for your insights. Your spot on with consumer mentality lol. But once one goes leica youll never go back...at least eventually realise that sooner or later lol
Marc Chan your probably right lol, I’m sure I will get enough Leica one day
hello dear
thanks for the advises.
I would like to ask if the mount of this camera matches with my Helios lens M39 mount or my Sonnar M42 mount?? do you know?
Thanks for the info! Where did you buy your bessa from?
Great review! Would you recommend the Bessa R or the Minolta CLE? I'm new to rangefinder cameras and they both seem like good options for the price
I currently shoot with an M3, but considering the Bessa R because I think I would really benefit from the built in light meter. Was switching to a Bessa from a Leica a huge shock for you in terms of the build quality? Was it something you got used to?
Aaron Crabtree it’s not that the bessa isn’t well built, it’s just not as well built as a Leica. But it’s a really nice camera to use. Very comfortable in the hand, very light.
I shoot with a M4, with the Voigtlander VCII on it, and it's great. If I were you I would keep the Leica. M3, M2 & M4 are the best cameras ever made!
@@luc5798 Actually, the M7 is better. Sorry, mate. No need to put a lumpy meter on top of the M7 - it's built-in.
@@LaughingStock_ Integrated but eats more battery, and very expensive repair in case of failure. And the viewfinders of the Leica prior to the m4p are better, that's all. They are made to be accurate at usual working distances, not at the minimum focusing distance... Not to mention the frames that pollute the viewfinder...
But we always think we have certainties, like the one that makes you put the Ukrainian flag as avatar... Maybe one day you will realize that you should not have!
Love to see what you think of the new M6... how do we get Leica Australia to sort this?
To be honest man I’m pretty angry with Leica right now .you can’t carry on about wanting to save film photography etc etc etc, all the media push they have been doing over the last 2 months in the run up to the New M6 release. Then ask people to pay $8400 AUD for one. It’s the 1% of people who shoot film and can afford that camera
The original rumour; new M6 that was lower cost than the MP without brass etc etc, they were poised to absolutely kill it. This is a camera that if they really wanted to “save” film should have been built and priced much differently, around the 4-5k AUD mark
If they had have made something the masses could potentially afford, and they sold enough of them, that could almost push the other big manufacturers; pref Nikon and a new FM3a, to bring new film cameras to market again
But they have royally screwed the pooch on this one.
People can bitch and moan about mechanical perfection all they want, and how it’s worth it for a handmade piece of equipment, but that’s just the bullshit they tell themselves to justify the purchase.
Yes they are great cameras. Probably the best made cameras on the planet, but In todays global financial market, only the rich will buy one to put on their shelf.
I'm thinking of selling my m4-P to get a bessa and use the extra cash on a scanner because my scanner just broke. Still can't decide if i should do it. Love my leica but it's still a tool.
Great video, you definitively send your message clearly.
Subscribed.
is a bessa better built and operating than a Nikon F3 or canon f1 do you think ?
Guy Butterworth hmm that’s a good question. Can’t comment on the canon. But I’ve owned several F3’s. The film advance on the F3 is a lot nicer. Bessa is smaller and Lighter but. But rangefinder vs slr so depends on your preference. Both great cameras
Quite the bizarre review...but I like it! I look forward to watching more of your videos! Have a good weekend!
I personally like the screw mounts more
Anyone else notice the constant focus jitter? And the box?
Hello Coops, I'm going to buy the Bessa R but I find difficult to know which lens is for it. I read that Bessa R can use Leica M39 lenses, right? But on Ebay, some people are selling Bessa R for L-Mount. And L mount and m39 is not the same. Can you tell me which is right? M39 or L mount? Thanks, Coops.
Take a look at the Voigtlander lenses. They do a 50mm ƒ1.5 Nokton, a great lens. As for M or L, it depends which version you choose, but of course all L lenses can be adapted to M mount.
Hi nice video
Where can I find r2a with that price about 700?
You must have bought this a long time ago. With the exception of the very old R2 original, the newer cameras like the R2A cost almost the same as an M6. You’d be mad to buy an electronic shutter plastic fantastic electronics dependent rangefinder for that kind of money.
sebii nah man, only bought it 1 month before I posted this video. I got it cheap
Shootswithcoops You must have! Which forum do you buy on in Oz? It’s rare to even see these come up on Gumtree or EBay.
The Zorki 4 of course
What happened to Minolta CLE?
Dude you just have to get your hands on a Leica M5.
VariTimo but it’s just so ugly lol
Shootswithcoops Geez! Is it’s more important, how the camera looks what kind of pictures it enables you to take? First of all, it’s quite sexy in person, especially the black model with the streps only on the side like it’s meant to, secondly you have giant hands so you will really appreciate the slightly larger body and over hanging shutter speed dial. The M5 has the most precise light meter, most informative viewfinder and the best ergonomics of any rangefinder camera. Also it’s a Leica, so it doesn’t need a battery to shoot, has a quiet shutter, life’s longer, feels better and has a much more prices rangefinder than the Bessa.
absolutely.
If I want to get a Bessa. Should I get an R with LTM mount or an R3M with M mount?
Christopher Reyes totally up to you man, the R3 has a more magnified rangefinder so it's better for 50mm lenses, if you shoot wide lenses go for a different model
very helpful, thank you!
how does it compare to the minolta cle
Stephen Hibbs I think it’s a better camera than the Minolta cle. The Minolta is a much better looking camera, but I found it a bit hard to use compared to a Leica or bessa
I find that the price of the Leica may restrict you a bit because you start second guessing yourself in taking it out at all due to damage or theft.
How do they compare to Minolta CLE?
Simone Gancayco Minoltas aperture priority mode (which is the reason most people buy that camera) works in a pretty funky way. Bessa operates much better. But Minolta has a much nicer shutter than the bessa
Shootswithcoops thanks! how about build quality?
Simone Gancayco the bessa and Minolta are on par build quality wise
Am I the only one who has enough budget to buy a leica but instead buying a Bessa R4m mainly because its light weight advantage?
There were weeks that I was so desperated pulling out my gears and calculated all weight. Saving only 50 grams on a day trip under 40 degree Celcius is important to me.
The Bessa, R4a & R4m, framelines of 21mm and 25mm also fit to my wide lenses and shooting style but the total combo weight always come first.
I don't care about a life long lasting camera after I pass away. I just need an easy carrying camera with good ergonomic while I am alive.
If I bought a Leica, I would keep it in a humidity control cabinet as my vintage watches. Nowaday, I use a smart watch with its a heart rate and an oxygen censors. LOL