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  • Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
  • Hey Guys! Today we take a detailed look and review on the Nike Air Flight Lite II Mid retro for 2021.
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Комментарии • 336

  • @joshhutton9534
    @joshhutton9534 3 года назад +123

    Was waiting for this one! If Nike is worried about other brands "catching up" to them like they said in the leaks, this is part of the major problem. When you buy from NB or Adidas, you don't get craftsmanship that is this bad. Even their "cheaper" shoes with "lesser" materials are still put together better than this. Absolutely ridiculous

    • @samaantree
      @samaantree 3 года назад +2

      Bruh that’s what I call protest craftsmenship those are straight trolling 🤣🤣🤣

    • @yizzymx
      @yizzymx 3 года назад +12

      Word. Every pair I've received from Nike has had some kind of flaw or major inconsistencies, not to mention the terrible materials they use. With adidas it's always been the opposite, good quality materials even in the "cheap" general releases and great quality control

    • @RT-xj3of
      @RT-xj3of 3 года назад +3

      Seriously. My aj1 light smoke greys are falling apart with less than a year of wear...actually only about 6 months. Absolutely pathetic for a shoe let alone a Jordan.

    • @killingmyselftolive2526
      @killingmyselftolive2526 3 года назад +6

      This is what you get when pay people 20 cents an hour to make 'em...

    • @RediRoc
      @RediRoc 3 года назад +2

      Not to defend Nike but Adidas has its problems too. I bought a pair of Ultraboost 21s and there was a stitching flaw so bad that the shoe was unwearable. And the funny part is, I replaced the sneaker twice and each pair had its own unique stitching issue that made them unwearable. Both companies are asking premium prices for shoddy craftsmanship.

  • @tonyhenderson1412
    @tonyhenderson1412 3 года назад +54

    This is the definition of 90's. Love it man. Takes me back to when about 90% of sneakers were dope!

  • @WearTesters
    @WearTesters  3 года назад +48

    Hey Guys! Today we are checking out the Nike Air Flight Lite II Mid retro. And it looks like Nike has some explaining to do... Let us know what you think about it all down below. Thanks for watching!

    • @TheRetroManRandySavage
      @TheRetroManRandySavage 3 года назад +3

      Extremely disappointing. Nike hardly ever shows love to it's classic silhouettes.
      They have tons of great models in the vault. But sometimes I think it's best they stay in the vault. Especially if nike releases them in poor quality. I'd rather just have the memories.

    • @Chris-kt1rr
      @Chris-kt1rr 3 года назад

      I saw the IG story and honestly I was like man….

    • @owendamato
      @owendamato 3 года назад

      A lot of memories . I believe that the whole pattern on the outsole used to be known by Nike as dot traction on the documentation that came with the OG Jordan 6 .

    • @blearbeware
      @blearbeware 3 года назад +3

      "No, maybe Nike needs to get my foot out of its a.." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @andyto83
      @andyto83 3 года назад +2

      When is Nike gonna retro the 1994 Nike air swift in the Chicago and NY colorway?…they’re dope and get zero love in the sneaker community

  • @chrisw9231
    @chrisw9231 2 года назад +24

    The best sneaker reviewers & my favorite sneaker channel on the internet. Period. Informative, witty & real. Chris tells it like it is good or bad. The passion is legit. And the dedication is respected.

  • @kwazitv3626
    @kwazitv3626 3 года назад +36

    Every nike factory and design team should have a guy like you.. meticulous and true to the original pairs. More power to the both of you!✌🏽

    • @prodbyjatonye7031
      @prodbyjatonye7031 Год назад

      Nike is just trying to increase profits, they wouldn’t listen

  • @igniscycles2658
    @igniscycles2658 3 года назад +19

    When I was a young man I had the black playoff version Pip wore. They were awesome, I wore the soles down till the air pockets blow out. Loved them.

  • @TheRetroManRandySavage
    @TheRetroManRandySavage 3 года назад +32

    I'd love to know whose making decisions at nike too. It's the 30th anniversary of the 180 and the force 180 pump, and yet nike ignores them. We also still haven't had a retro of the air force 5 highs n lows.
    Nike needs to employ some of us older heads for sure.

    • @TheRetroManRandySavage
      @TheRetroManRandySavage 3 года назад

      @@pychang21 yes! Most definitely bro.
      Nike has some truly fantastic classics locked away in their vault. They need to bring them all back. I don't like modern shoes. Strictly retro for me.🙏🏻👊

    • @RESO914
      @RESO914 2 года назад

      Where are the 180s!!!??

    • @j.d.552
      @j.d.552 2 года назад

      Fat ✅!!!

  • @CertifiedSadBoy
    @CertifiedSadBoy 3 года назад +95

    Nike's quality control is in the gutter. Especially with the prices we pay. My pair of New balance 550s is 10x the quality of any Nike i've bought the past few years.

    • @Only1iSO24
      @Only1iSO24 3 года назад +5

      Your profile pic got me crying rn 😭😭😭

    • @Pantera972
      @Pantera972 3 года назад +4

      You're absolutely right. So many imperfections in brand new Jordans! It's unacceptable.

    • @Al-zj9di
      @Al-zj9di 2 года назад +3

      Honestly though, New Balance construction and materials is by far the best

  • @LLTBBPYOABC
    @LLTBBPYOABC 3 года назад +7

    thank you for being an actual honest reviewer and having some integrity, many youtubers could learn from you

  • @danmcleod17
    @danmcleod17 3 года назад +17

    They need to drop a reverse colour way of this shoe with the funky 90’s colours all over the shoe

    • @jakubgorecki2937
      @jakubgorecki2937 3 года назад +1

      in some European countries there is already black version with red and blue accents available

    • @adampruitt9211
      @adampruitt9211 2 года назад

      The black and white version

  • @rikosimmo
    @rikosimmo 2 года назад +10

    Thanks for doing this. The heel pods on the highs are incredible. Hopefully nike wakes up to how many of us want to relive the golden era of the early nineties

  • @murrayfam7547
    @murrayfam7547 3 года назад +6

    Man, this is a blast from the past! Although these weren’t my first pair of Nikes, they were one of my first Nike basketball shoes. I’ll definitely be coppin a pair once the black & white colorway drops.

  • @MrFantastic23
    @MrFantastic23 3 года назад +1

    I used to doodle that flight logo all the time in my trapper keeper. It is so dope! I remember I was 16 driving with my senior friend to the mall so he could get him a pair! I was so jelly at the time.

  • @scizor285
    @scizor285 3 года назад +9

    For how cool the 90s design of this shoe is, such a shame that nike does the bare minimum with retros. We need to hold them to better standards.

  • @vincentlim1741
    @vincentlim1741 3 года назад +5

    I still have the black nubuck at my parents’ garage. Been waiting on these for so long. I’ve always wanted the Olympic versions. They were great hooping shoes.

  • @NyneElevun
    @NyneElevun 3 года назад +2

    Watch every video even if I don’t care for the shoes. The knowledge about the products is A1!

  • @davidjsouth231
    @davidjsouth231 3 года назад +2

    I had a pair of the original flight lites in 1991. Really light shoe and I wore them out playing ball. These your showing are a ‘92 retro

  • @essentialjordan23
    @essentialjordan23 3 года назад +1

    I honestly don’t even hope for a lot of 90s Nike basketball to come back because I know they’re gonna be half assed, I mean look at what they did to the Flight ‘89

  • @thepickle7757
    @thepickle7757 3 года назад

    Wow these do bring a memory back of Mullin. When Chris pushing heel down looked to be pretty comfortable and being Lite

  • @amoore05359
    @amoore05359 3 года назад +2

    Been waiting for this video most definitely getting these

  • @toddcastaldi6536
    @toddcastaldi6536 3 года назад +1

    I was hoping for the Air Flight Lite, but this is aight… Great review, as always. Thank you.

  • @peejuu
    @peejuu 11 месяцев назад

    Actually played a game in this the other day Im 39 and was running around with 21 years old played my best game yet something about the solid feeling of the 90s shoes that makes me move differently compared to wearing modern shoes. Will definitely be grabbing another pair in another colour way.

  • @OGeniusTheFirst
    @OGeniusTheFirst 3 года назад +1

    Feel better man!

  • @d.felixphoto2260
    @d.felixphoto2260 2 года назад

    The new dad shoes for 80's/90's babies. I had a black nubuck pair back in the day. I need a pair again

  • @DennnnnnnY
    @DennnnnnnY 2 года назад

    They came back out 2 weeks ago! Still sitting, got me a pair. Good quality on my pair surprisingly

  • @808thegreat9
    @808thegreat9 3 года назад

    Scottie Pippin also wore the black version of that pair in the 1992 championship against the Portland Trailblazers. I had Em.

  • @raymondduran6258
    @raymondduran6258 2 года назад

    Had the highs when I was a kid these definitely set in nostalgia will def cop me a pair!

  • @elementkx
    @elementkx 3 года назад +5

    Flight and Huarache are the best logos (sans the Jordan Wings).

    • @mikeandmars2345
      @mikeandmars2345 3 года назад

      Yes bro facts 💯💯💯 nike air Revolution is not a bad logo to

  • @mTchongo
    @mTchongo 2 года назад +2

    Got'em! love these, look so clean! remind me of Pippen!

  • @tguice76
    @tguice76 3 года назад

    This video was the funniest I've seen from you guys in a while!!!! Super Dope, 100% accuracy!!! Salute to you guys as always.

  • @TheLIn322
    @TheLIn322 3 года назад

    I got mine. As soon as I saw them, I got them right away. It was a bit creased, but not as bad as yours. It’s not the first time Nike did Retros dirty. They don’t seem to give a crap.

  • @TheDoozie43
    @TheDoozie43 2 года назад

    I had the black nubuck pippens and I loved them! The high tops too prior to those. Those were the days.

  • @scottcheng2557
    @scottcheng2557 3 года назад +1

    That was my favorite shoes back in my college playing days. I always wanted Nike to retro these but after watching your video, I am sure I will not pick it up. So sad.

  • @xanidelacruz4284
    @xanidelacruz4284 2 года назад

    Been waiting for them to retro the black with white swoosh version.One of my favorite shoes of all time.

  • @DavesGenny
    @DavesGenny 3 года назад

    They need to bring the black versions. I had the Black version of these back in the day. Loved them. The mid version definitely was much more popular than the highs back in the day. These are classics. The Black version was the synthetic nubuck by the way, which in my opinion look better than the white versions with the synthetic regular leather.

  • @MrJones208
    @MrJones208 Год назад

    Thank you for this honest review of these shoes as was looking at these, Reebok BB4500 & the New Balance 650 for the retro look on the court. Will do more research but thanks for the heads up 🙂

  • @stephenchristian3454
    @stephenchristian3454 2 года назад

    Been waiting on these for a long while. Wanna see the black/white-cardinals with the white F on the midsole, and the black/graphites, too.

  • @kaidenrodriguez16
    @kaidenrodriguez16 3 года назад

    Definitely copping these. Nike just need to retro all those OG nikes. Would love to see a retro of the Air Sabre Flights

  • @raymondsterodi-jet8638
    @raymondsterodi-jet8638 3 года назад +1

    90's shoes are always Fire

  • @GenXcollector
    @GenXcollector 3 года назад

    Didn't get those back in the day, but always liked them.

  • @swebber5
    @swebber5 3 года назад

    damn i was super keen on these thanks for putting this out before i did

  • @jaysonumlor2611
    @jaysonumlor2611 2 года назад

    I have been waiting on these forever! I had these in the black Charlotte color way. Still have them and a pair of deadstock shoes n the same color way and the high tops you pictured from 1992.

  • @thashoeboy
    @thashoeboy 2 года назад

    I love this shoe. Always wanted the black/white/red pair from the '92 playoffs

  • @Angie_Onaleta
    @Angie_Onaleta 3 года назад

    Get better soon Chris! 🙏🏿

  • @jim.manning
    @jim.manning 3 года назад

    I had a pair in the black colourway back in the day. These were my beaters and my Reebok Pump SXT were my good pair. These were actually way more comfortable and light

  • @svt32vdohc
    @svt32vdohc 3 года назад

    Can't wait for the hoodie. Please offer a couple colors. Grey and black!!

  • @4drumz-662
    @4drumz-662 2 года назад

    My heart hurts 💔… 45 years old and I played a summer camp and league season in these back in high school. Was so JACKED for this release until the “real” product images began to surface revealing what your review confirmed 😞 Even if you get lucky with a pair out of the box that “looks” decent… that stiff material does not wear well at all and will simply distort anyway.
    I’ve gotta believe even bad nubuck on the black/white CW can save these for the purpose of wearing the nostalgia. Please do a review if they release those.

  • @xofyerg9832
    @xofyerg9832 2 года назад

    Man bought these last few days ago and for casual wear or going on they are nice and fit amazingly nice, as for on court I haven't broken them in too play but I've won them 3 times within this week and we're comfortable

  • @alexandrecaron1890
    @alexandrecaron1890 2 года назад

    I discover your channel with this review. Thank you a lot for this honest review, I didn’t expect that.
    They look amazing, too bad the quality isn’t as good as it should be.
    I’ve already ordered them, but I’ll look if I can find something better that will last me for longer.
    I’ll gladly watch your other videos.

  • @artedison2
    @artedison2 3 года назад

    Peppers? These in the fall of 91 in black nubuck/suede coloway. Remember clearly cause I got a whole fit with them lol. Good ole days. Not a sneakerhead cant afford it but that shoe is one of my all time favorites. If they release that colorway I'm copping. Love you channel. You and the Mrs. are great together. Keep grinding

  • @TheBrianIsley
    @TheBrianIsley 2 года назад +1

    I went to Snipes yesterday, and the flights looked JUST like yours. Absolutely terrible. I walked smooth out.

  • @lancaster8739
    @lancaster8739 3 года назад

    Mrs. NW might be right. Try putting your foot in it or a shoe tree to straighten out the uppers. Worth a shot. I love the flight lites. Def gonna try to get these in the collection.

  • @ericfresh
    @ericfresh 3 года назад

    I had these in black & teal back in the day would love another pair

    • @DavesGenny
      @DavesGenny 3 года назад +1

      I actually had the black and teal pair as well I believe that was the first black version that came out, but my Nike emblem was defective so I took them back to the store and the store had the Black and White version which I sort of liked a little bit better and got those.

  • @johnnykilroy1966
    @johnnykilroy1966 3 года назад

    Wow this video was a rollercoaster ride of emotions, from excited about a sneaker to absolute disappointment all within 8mins. Also there was the added emotion of betrayal with thinking that Wesley Snipes wore these as Nike's product description claimed that this sneaker was the ''90s hoops shoe that ruled both the b-ball court and the big screen'. I'm still waiting for my pair to arrive & really hope that it doesn't arrive in some hideous quality control defying mess. Thanks for another honest & entertaining review Chris

  • @gmc2345rx
    @gmc2345rx 2 года назад

    I had the black/maroon (suede) pair .. pippen wore them. I remember my mom got em for me at dillards clearance bins. No box, but man they were so good!

  • @ShadVrinn
    @ShadVrinn 3 года назад

    I had the original Flight Lite back when I was a freshman in high school, back then the Flights were second only to the Jordans honestly. I had the Sonic Flight too, and the Maestro 2 and the Swift Flight.

  • @twistit4844
    @twistit4844 3 года назад

    3:10 tongue looks like its living the way it moves😂

  • @joebowers3636
    @joebowers3636 2 года назад

    I had this shoe in dark gray/black back in 1993. I can't find any pics online of that color way, but I know it existed. Would love it if they released that color way.

  • @soulfinger8171
    @soulfinger8171 2 года назад

    Reminds me when Nike drop the ball on the air up retro and turned them into tap dance shoes

  • @DKriticos
    @DKriticos 3 года назад

    Damn! That upper reminds me of the white red 89s you put up a while ago. When the 89s came out almost 2 years ago I checked them out at Footlocker and didn't buy a pair because the feel were way off. Thanks for letting us all know!

  • @forcesensitive6371
    @forcesensitive6371 3 года назад +1

    I feel your pain Chris. I've bought 3 pairs of Jordans this year and I've had issues with the left foot on all 3 pairs! I think they pick people to troll.

  • @jasongomez3601
    @jasongomez3601 2 года назад +1

    I remember, I had the original Air Flight 1s in high school, wore them for basketball. I had the all black with white swoosh, basically the color Scottie wore during the Bulls first title run. I loved the no swoosh on the inside, also so freaking comfortable and light. I am holding out hope that Nike retros those again. I did have the AFL 2s, but I have them in all black with blue trim, not really my favorite, they were ok, I am just a sucker for no swooshes on the inside of the shoe. I have been thinking about getting these, but if they all come like that, I will probably pass. I want Nike to retro more 90s and late 80s shoes (AFIII, Carnivore, Huarache BBall).

  • @dallashkato32
    @dallashkato32 2 года назад

    This video made me laugh with the extra stuff, I wish more RUclips videos were like this!

  • @variandavid377
    @variandavid377 3 года назад +1

    Been waiting on this particular video. Damn man!!l That’s all I can say. That FLIGHT logo though is super 90s…..I think I had a pair of bball shorts my mom got me (a few years later on sale) with that same or similar style Flight logo. Shoutout to Jodi….sliding in Julia Stiles in that poem scene from “10 Things I Hate About You”!!! #points

  • @1andonlyhoncho
    @1andonlyhoncho 2 года назад +1

    The best thing about my favorite pair, the grey Solo Flight 1991’s was the quality of the nubuck… So I hope they would give those premium treatment. The modern retros in the Flight line all seem to have deplorable material quality. 😬

  • @brandonpaulin1595
    @brandonpaulin1595 2 года назад

    This is why when it comes to white sneaks, gotta run with the Superstar. Quality is always there and the leather is LEATHER.

  • @gunpla_sk8
    @gunpla_sk8 3 года назад

    The Instagram story was legendary Nike must listen 😤

  • @soildirty9469
    @soildirty9469 2 года назад

    all black with the iridescent purple flight lite high top was the best shoe. dope nubuck. had in 7th grade

  • @genarosanchez3854
    @genarosanchez3854 2 года назад +1

    Omg been waiting too long

  • @UNDFTDGordon
    @UNDFTDGordon Год назад

    I tried on a pair today and they feel great. They’re going for like $80 on StockX so I’ll buy around Christmas time. I ordered the Air Jordan 7 Cardinal so I want to wait before buying another shoe.

  • @DanielSzilagyi
    @DanielSzilagyi 2 года назад

    Just got this in a black, purple and blue and they were in great shape. They are indeed super light, cozy and right on the size. I blindly ordered an 11 (my standard) and they are great.
    Sad that the bottom patch isn't more than the form but it doesn't seem too bad, also a bit sad to see non-real leather or even a good quality material and instead have it be this cheap. Lastly being in Canada I had to pay $160 for these...I love 'em but damn, Nike needs to do more.

  • @intensevenom
    @intensevenom 3 года назад

    Also hope they re-release my other favs of this era like the Air bound, air maestro low, and the air spat

  • @elementkx
    @elementkx 3 года назад

    The NIKE LWP days were dope. They all felt like playing in lightweight foam shoes. My older bro always had them when they came out, cuz he was on the HS bball team. I had to rock them second hand. They kinda stunk, but felt great!

  • @josephp1236
    @josephp1236 2 года назад +1

    Honest review why does Nike continue to try to get over

  • @brianjewison7815
    @brianjewison7815 2 года назад

    We need the OG Maestro. I know the Red ASG 2s are classic. But the OGs were amazing.

  • @JXsneakerhead
    @JXsneakerhead 3 года назад +1

    I've been waiting 4 this one..ruined or not lol 🔥 what could've been! I had a red nubuck pair back in the day such a clean shoe!

  • @shannondavis3338
    @shannondavis3338 3 года назад

    I have been waiting for these, I'll have to get them, it's a real shame the quality is off!

  • @kristofkovacs5329
    @kristofkovacs5329 3 года назад

    These shoes are so dope but I had to return them because the toebox was literally almost flattened on the right pair

  • @martin.a85
    @martin.a85 2 года назад

    I just got the light blue ones. They were placed in the box like they didn't care when they packed them. They were kinda smashed at the toe, and there was glue spots like they didn't care when they did the job. Someone was in a rush when they made them

  • @chriskelly5227
    @chriskelly5227 3 года назад

    These kicks give me vibes of some Kobe kicks. Either way dope. I miss the 90's!

  • @chrisdoria35
    @chrisdoria35 2 года назад

    I remember when I owned a pair. Love them

  • @sheldonmckenzieel2552
    @sheldonmckenzieel2552 3 года назад

    Oh yeah BABY!!!! I loved these!!! I had the Air Flight Lite 1. Played in them outdoors. These are 1992, not 1991. You are correct bro. Cue the Reggie Miller commercial, "These are the lightest Nike basketball shoes on earth!" LOL! Man! And I am rehabbing a torn achilles at the moment! I would have loved to play in these. Oh well, maybe next year fall. Peace and love.

  • @albertknight1187
    @albertknight1187 2 года назад

    I just bought a pair mine are not the greatest but they're decent had them in the 90s so my main reason for buying bcuz they're classic I'm 46 and I like that era 80s and 90s of nike was the best the shoes were made with love if you look at the show martin ,inliving color do the right thing fresh prince of belair nike was at the peak n better than any shoes out there I would love to see the 1989 solo flights nike come back

  • @goukihakai
    @goukihakai 3 года назад

    Still need these, takes me back to 6th grade elementary

  • @SpideyHooper
    @SpideyHooper 3 года назад

    Surprisingly I don’t remember these, but if the nubuck ones are better quality… might have to grab a pair. The silhouette kinda reminds me of The Hyperfuse

  • @patinabox5537
    @patinabox5537 3 года назад

    Great video..I was looking forward to these..I got them from Nike online and they look like yours.. there all fooked up...the uppers are trash..sent them right back.. great looking sneakers but the materials..😭..I'm from the UK and love your videos great work..keep it up..👍

  • @michaeldouglas5679
    @michaeldouglas5679 3 года назад

    I F with these bud hard. Not hard enough though. I’m waiting for the black pair. Hope they release. These shoes and Scottie Pippen is what got me hooked. It was over with when the Maestro 1s came out in
    black and white too!!

  • @killthekaiju9219
    @killthekaiju9219 2 года назад

    If you get em in the white/red colorway they have a Pippen logo on the insole.

  • @JaviBugatti
    @JaviBugatti 2 года назад

    Hey bro… I just received mine from Nike and they didn’t come with that dent like yours did, they actually look perfect. I believe the problem was the person from where you got them from especially if he is telling you they all look like that…

    • @WearTesters
      @WearTesters  2 года назад

      The retailers get them from Nike so it would ultimately be a Nike issue. It's great that you've gotten a good looking pair, but we have received many emails and DM's showing poorly crafted pairs.

  • @brackston7
    @brackston7 3 года назад

    Love this! Can you do a review on the “SNKRS day” Jordan 1 lows

  • @agustianussoemantri8588
    @agustianussoemantri8588 3 года назад

    Worn by scottie pippen back in the day, dope looking shoe

  • @HightopRob
    @HightopRob 3 года назад

    Good grief Nike they need to get their quality control in order and also get well Chris my mom is recovering from a cold

  • @mikeandmars2345
    @mikeandmars2345 3 года назад

    Thank u its about time i will be copping soon this and the barrage i was hop in for years to retro and with in a two span they air both out

  • @cashmerefunk2136
    @cashmerefunk2136 3 года назад

    Just passing thur💯 after all these years everything old is new again. i can't believe i gave away all my old sneaker i had a pair when i was a kid i don't know what i know now if... if only what i know now can somebody built a time machine so i can go back and get all my old sneaker ✌

  • @GeoffSweet
    @GeoffSweet 6 месяцев назад

    Have they ever done a retro of the original, Low, Black and white Flight Lite? That's what I want.

  • @RoboticArmy88
    @RoboticArmy88 3 года назад +2

    Well damn, I was going to cop a pair but I’ll pass now…Thanks for the review.

  • @michaelyork6592
    @michaelyork6592 Год назад

    Did anyone else have the dark grey nubuck ones with the black accents? No white on them at all from what I remember. They were dope! I loved those shoes. Can’t find that color anywhere. Just the light gray with the white soles. Hopefully they come out with more colors.

  • @grimmersnee
    @grimmersnee 3 года назад

    damn, i was wanting the black ones of these. i had them in high school and they were fire

  • @intensevenom
    @intensevenom 3 года назад

    My neighbor had the nubuck ones in a smoke grey colorway back in 1992 was jealous, never had these, will definitely cop if they come out in any better leather quality than these Ross/ burlington coat Fila-sh looking fake leather.

  • @randomhajile
    @randomhajile 3 года назад

    had the black/magenta/teal ones in 92, the upper should be that light "durabuck", which the aj4/5 had back then, which i think has never been reproduced properly in retro