Adrix and Nev 1. Strong - Spike Tokens a. Avenger of Zendikar b. Rampaging Baloths c. Helm of the Host d. Myr Battlesphere e. Parallel Lives f. Doubling Season g. Mimic Vat h. Idol of Oblivion 2. Fun - Planeswalkers a. Ugin, the Ineffable b. Garruk, Primal Hunter c. Tezzeret, Artifice Master d. Kasmina new e. Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor f. Vivien, Monster's Advocate g. Ever-Watching Threshold h. The Chain Veil 3. Mean - Instants and Sorceries a. Murmuring Mystic b. Talrand, Sky Summoner c. Docent of Perfection d. Metallurgic Summonings e. Shark Typhoon f. Skywise Teachings g. Fable of Wolf and Owl h. Arasta of the Endless Web
Fable of the wolf and owl, works for all three, Just saying it can be played in the fun decks, mean, and well the powerfull it can get out of hand I'd you have any token doubler, or cast multiple spells... there is also second harvest for a finisher/ baiting out the board wipes.
@@JakeandJoelareMagic a lot! The way I see it going is by abusing it's effects with mana rocks and cards like Lotus Petal earlier and then move towards extracting value from larger artifacts, like Panharmonicon.
Came back and watched this again. Finally playing Adrix and Nev in the Jake and Joel are Magic commander league. Definitely a fun deck. I went the Strong route though. :-)
So, I just did my first pre-con upgrade over the past few weeks and this was the one I chose. Wanted to keep it under $100 total, so instead of going all in on things like Parallel Lives and Doubling Season for creature tokens I went with "what various kinds of tokens can we make?" I've got cards that make lots of Food, Clue, and Treasure tokens. Tireless Provisioner, Tamiyo's Journal, Academy Manufactor, Tempting Contract, Spell Swindle, Wolf's Quarry, Progenitor Mimic, and Skyclave Relic are all cards that don't just make small creature tokens, they do something different that Adrix and Nev will see and double. Hopefully this deck will be fun to play with.
Sweet video as always Joel! I do kinda wish that the 3 ways build would.come out after we.get the full set to talk about the other new cards.for.the 99 but I know.you've gotta.get some content out there on the meantime. Still love the vids! I'm excited about Adrix and Nev but mostly for the 99. I've got probably ten decks this wants to slot right into. I'm stoked.for.Strixhaven!
Was the fun bit in the beginning a reference to 'the magicians '?.also I really like the mean build,spell slinger tokens is not something I would have thought about for this commander,nice work.
Esix, fractal bloom and twin casters are great cause of cards like avenger of zendikar. With esix, the tokens you made from avenger can be turned into more avengers if it is the first time you would make tokens that turn. Twincasters then double the resulting number of avengers and the plants they produce. If you only had 7 lands, you’d make 14 0/1s that can be turned into 28 avengers, making an ungodly 392 0/1 plant tokens.
Definitely putting coma in the 99, also going to see if ashnod’s/phyrexian alter might have some use extending a play with all the tokens we’ll be making.
@@JakeandJoelareMagic kinda burnt out on combos after my korvold deck 🥲, thinking about taking some blink strategies from my gyruda deck and abusing that token theme with everyone’s favorite deadeye navigator and thassa. Curious to see if we get some new combos with their ability and any new cards that will drop.
I'm gonna have to build Adrix and Nev Token makers and Copy effects. You know what's better than Avenger of Zendikar with Adrix and Nev out? Casting Quasiduplicate targeting your Avenger of Zendikar with Adrix and Nev out. You know what's just massive spiraling value with Adrix and Nev in play? Progenitor Mimic. Rite of Replication becomes even more crazy. Cackling Counterpart gives me two of the best creature in play. Imagine having Adrix and Nev in play, then playing Clone Legion.
Hell yeah- all these ways are awesome for this commander! This is going to be a really crazy creature to see on the battlefield, i would add some food synergies and giant opportunity to get 7/7 giant tokens and thassa bests the sea god to get multiple 8/8 krakens. Pure Token Jank😊 Esika's chariot will undoubtedly be a good add and orvar as well. I think this will be a hugely fun commander and will build it. I really like your planeswalker theme version- that is epic! I didnt even think of avenger of zendikar, rampaging baloths or vivien- er my gherd! Expect this card to hold some value. Oh- did i mention esior and anara will be awesome in this build too?🤣
I was thinking Spell Swindle is pretty nice, budget Mana Drain? A few others that come to mind: Lazotep Plating, Spark Double, Bow of Nylea + Garruk's Uprising, Champion of Lambholt, Biomass Mutation, End-Raze Forerunners Murkfield Liege could work nicely with creatures that tap to generate tokens, Wilderness Reclamation can work with land Aura enchantments that tap for creatures too (Seedborn Muse works for both)
Joel: *lists the mean list* Me: "Oh yeah that's pretty mean.* Also me: *intending to building Eldrazi tribal, making and doubling scions to ramp into annihilator Eldrazi that I can make tokens with via Cackling Counterpart-esque cards*
Helm of the host: Tokens / Number of Adrixes First token: 3 Second token: 11 Third: 2059 Fourth: 2^2059+2059. This is more than a googol. This number can also eaily be reached by mutating on top of Adrix and Nev, then using copy token spells. Overrides legendary rule.
I'm surprised u didn't mention any clue and/or treasure shenanigans. I think this would be a bit more unique strategy than the typical creature token strategy. I don't know however how many strong cards that make this kind o tokens there are since u don't want to play weak cards just cause they make clues/treasures. And yes i know this is a Simic deck so no need to try to ramp & draw like that but i think it would be nonetheless an interesting way to build the deck.
I'm actually taking out all of the token generators that came in the deck and replacing them with wizard and merfolk token generator, just to keep it on theme. I will how ever leave in the Fractal generator, but I feel that is kind of on theme.
Look up lullmage mentor... imagine avenger of zendikar, mystic reflection the plant tokens to be lullmage mentors... instant infinite counter spells pretty much
For real. That card will win games so easy when paired with the right creatures. Besides Avenger I like hornet queen and terrastodon with it. Target your own stuff with terrastodon and get 6 more terrastodons then have fun. The backlash could be bad but worth it.
I am surprised you did not talk about this commander with cloning effects such as sakashima etc. Clones are also considered creature tokens so they will be doubled. That is why I chose to go.
This is not accurate. 706.1.: Some objects become or turn another object into a “copy” of a spell, permanent, or card. Some effects create a token that’s a copy of another object. Clones are not tokens, they are cards unless the clone effect specifically states it is or creates a token. See Cackling Counterpart as an example.
nope, just straight multiplication really (from reddit) "If you attach the helm during Main 1 on turn N, you'll have 1+(2^1)=3 during combat on turn N, 3+(2^3)=11 on turn N+1, and 11+(2^11)=2059 on turn N+2. After that it's essentially infinite."
@@MrNbkelly but if there’s three triggers on the stack, the first resolves creating a new token, then the second resolved creating a new token which would trigger the token that was just created right?
Adrix and Nev is so obviously broken, it's not even funny. Wizards is afraid that people will lose interest if they aren't handed a broken combo on a platter.
F Simic and F wotc for pumping green way too much and the blue green commanders way too much, to a point where half the ppl you play edh with have aesi decks. Its stupid to make commander cookie cutter and its dumb when everyone is running simic decks and barely any other color combinations. I refuse to run green and refuse to run simic; its a cop out and is too easy to abuse and net deck.
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Adrix and Nev
1. Strong - Spike Tokens
a. Avenger of Zendikar
b. Rampaging Baloths
c. Helm of the Host
d. Myr Battlesphere
e. Parallel Lives
f. Doubling Season
g. Mimic Vat
h. Idol of Oblivion
2. Fun - Planeswalkers
a. Ugin, the Ineffable
b. Garruk, Primal Hunter
c. Tezzeret, Artifice Master
d. Kasmina new
e. Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor
f. Vivien, Monster's Advocate
g. Ever-Watching Threshold
h. The Chain Veil
3. Mean - Instants and Sorceries
a. Murmuring Mystic
b. Talrand, Sky Summoner
c. Docent of Perfection
d. Metallurgic Summonings
e. Shark Typhoon
f. Skywise Teachings
g. Fable of Wolf and Owl
h. Arasta of the Endless Web
Fable of the wolf and owl, works for all three, Just saying it can be played in the fun decks, mean, and well the powerfull it can get out of hand I'd you have any token doubler, or cast multiple spells... there is also second harvest for a finisher/ baiting out the board wipes.
Once again simic is probably going to be the strongest precon.
Probably yes, but I think the Boros one got the most potential, competitively wise
Potentially. Boros one seems strong
@@JakeandJoelareMagic a lot! The way I see it going is by abusing it's effects with mana rocks and cards like Lotus Petal earlier and then move towards extracting value from larger artifacts, like Panharmonicon.
Came back and watched this again. Finally playing Adrix and Nev in the Jake and Joel are Magic commander league. Definitely a fun deck. I went the Strong route though. :-)
Oh gosh! Just hearing the text I can see the price of doubling season and vorinclex spiking!
So, I just did my first pre-con upgrade over the past few weeks and this was the one I chose. Wanted to keep it under $100 total, so instead of going all in on things like Parallel Lives and Doubling Season for creature tokens I went with "what various kinds of tokens can we make?"
I've got cards that make lots of Food, Clue, and Treasure tokens. Tireless Provisioner, Tamiyo's Journal, Academy Manufactor, Tempting Contract, Spell Swindle, Wolf's Quarry, Progenitor Mimic, and Skyclave Relic are all cards that don't just make small creature tokens, they do something different that Adrix and Nev will see and double. Hopefully this deck will be fun to play with.
Radix and Venn might be my favorite Strixhaven commander so far.
Sweet video as always Joel!
I do kinda wish that the 3 ways build would.come out after we.get the full set to talk about the other new cards.for.the 99 but I know.you've gotta.get some content out there on the meantime. Still love the vids!
I'm excited about Adrix and Nev but mostly for the 99. I've got probably ten decks this wants to slot right into. I'm stoked.for.Strixhaven!
That's a good note poofy, I'll maybe do an update video?
I like that idea since there's bound to be great cards for this archetype in the set proper!
It would be even more powerful in a Riku of Two Reflections deck. Add red for more schenigans.
Was the fun bit in the beginning a reference to 'the magicians '?.also I really like the mean build,spell slinger tokens is not something I would have thought about for this commander,nice work.
Naruto or Dr Strange reference, but Magicians works too! 🤣
Esix, fractal bloom and twin casters are great cause of cards like avenger of zendikar. With esix, the tokens you made from avenger can be turned into more avengers if it is the first time you would make tokens that turn. Twincasters then double the resulting number of avengers and the plants they produce. If you only had 7 lands, you’d make 14 0/1s that can be turned into 28 avengers, making an ungodly 392 0/1 plant tokens.
I really like the superfriends build. I might try that. Freyalise will make 2 Llanowars! It could be really silly.
Definitely putting coma in the 99, also going to see if ashnod’s/phyrexian alter might have some use extending a play with all the tokens we’ll be making.
Yeah it definitely will be great in this deck, are you playing any infinite combos?
@@JakeandJoelareMagic kinda burnt out on combos after my korvold deck 🥲, thinking about taking some blink strategies from my gyruda deck and abusing that token theme with everyone’s favorite deadeye navigator and thassa. Curious to see if we get some new combos with their ability and any new cards that will drop.
@@tidus001 blink will get it done
Great vid dude
Chatterfang would work well here too. Doubling everything again with Squirrel tokens.
That'll be a great set of decks keep them coming
I'm gonna have to build Adrix and Nev Token makers and Copy effects.
You know what's better than Avenger of Zendikar with Adrix and Nev out? Casting Quasiduplicate targeting your Avenger of Zendikar with Adrix and Nev out.
You know what's just massive spiraling value with Adrix and Nev in play? Progenitor Mimic.
Rite of Replication becomes even more crazy. Cackling Counterpart gives me two of the best creature in play. Imagine having Adrix and Nev in play, then playing Clone Legion.
Yeah I almost made copies one of the strategies... you're spot on with this
Hell yeah- all these ways are awesome for this commander! This is going to be a really crazy creature to see on the battlefield, i would add some food synergies and giant opportunity to get 7/7 giant tokens and thassa bests the sea god to get multiple 8/8 krakens.
Pure Token Jank😊
Esika's chariot will undoubtedly be a good add and orvar as well.
I think this will be a hugely fun commander and will build it.
I really like your planeswalker theme version- that is epic! I didnt even think of avenger of zendikar, rampaging baloths or vivien- er my gherd! Expect this card to hold some value.
Oh- did i mention esior and anara will be awesome in this build too?🤣
I was thinking Spell Swindle is pretty nice, budget Mana Drain?
A few others that come to mind: Lazotep Plating, Spark Double, Bow of Nylea + Garruk's Uprising, Champion of Lambholt, Biomass Mutation, End-Raze Forerunners
Murkfield Liege could work nicely with creatures that tap to generate tokens, Wilderness Reclamation can work with land Aura enchantments that tap for creatures too (Seedborn Muse works for both)
Don't see skywise teaching's a lot haha surprised to see that here.
Joel: *lists the mean list*
Me: "Oh yeah that's pretty mean.*
Also me: *intending to building Eldrazi tribal, making and doubling scions to ramp into annihilator Eldrazi that I can make tokens with via Cackling Counterpart-esque cards*
Lol. I like the Scions idea!💡
Yes you know how much i like simic. You guys are entertaining. Keep up the good work. Love intro.
Helm of the host:
Tokens / Number of Adrixes
First token: 3
Second token: 11
Third: 2059
Fourth: 2^2059+2059.
This is more than a googol.
This number can also eaily be reached by mutating on top of Adrix and Nev, then using copy token spells. Overrides legendary rule.
I'm surprised u didn't mention any clue and/or treasure shenanigans. I think this would be a bit more unique strategy than the typical creature token strategy. I don't know however how many strong cards that make this kind o tokens there are since u don't want to play weak cards just cause they make clues/treasures. And yes i know this is a Simic deck so no need to try to ramp & draw like that but i think it would be nonetheless an interesting way to build the deck.
Really good list
I'm actually taking out all of the token generators that came in the deck and replacing them with wizard and merfolk token generator, just to keep it on theme. I will how ever leave in the Fractal generator, but I feel that is kind of on theme.
I like the mean way
Dat patron list getting loooonnngggg oooooo-weeeeeee
Lol 😆
Do anyone think that combining the token and planeswalker decks would be good?
Look up lullmage mentor... imagine avenger of zendikar, mystic reflection the plant tokens to be lullmage mentors... instant infinite counter spells pretty much
I want a foil of this!!!
Was kinda bored by this creatures design at first but you just showed me some spicy stuff
That's awesome! Thanks for saying that, that's a goal for me with these vids!
@@JakeandJoelareMagic please do osgir soon !
@@danielsullivan3640 probably this week, look out for it
Waiting to see your take on Breena, I long to see what her decklist looks like, group slug or group hug?
Breena coming up this week
regarding playing 2 Kasminas.... I thought you can only play one planeswalker of the same name?
Strong spike tokens
--> Mystic reflection has entered the chat.
For real. That card will win games so easy when paired with the right creatures. Besides Avenger I like hornet queen and terrastodon with it. Target your own stuff with terrastodon and get 6 more terrastodons then have fun. The backlash could be bad but worth it.
@@bigchungus2536 Mystic reflection targeting the elephant in the room 😂
Emrakul’s Evangel...Tap and sacrifice him, along with, say, 0/1 plants, 1/1 Saps, or what have you, and make twice that many 3/2 Eldrazi 🤷🏻♂️
Let's go! Joel's finally doing the cringy intro's lol
Hey wait a second
Doesn't orvar make tokens?
Mean build deck list?
I was just about to build a Riku deck. Is this or Riku stronger??
Hmm. Depends on what you wanna do! I love Riku
“Wotc not making a stupidly strong simic card” challenge
Unlikely they ever win that
Here!
🙏
What is "cmc"? All I know is MANA VALUE!!!
I'm an old man, the ways are set
It seems to me as if they create cards for their own personal decks haha (designers)
I probably would XD
I am surprised you did not talk about this commander with cloning effects such as sakashima etc. Clones are also considered creature tokens so they will be doubled. That is why I chose to go.
Good idea, clones seem like they would benefit greatly.
This is not accurate.
706.1.: Some objects become or turn another object into a “copy” of a spell, permanent, or card. Some effects create a token that’s a copy of another object.
Clones are not tokens, they are cards unless the clone effect specifically states it is or creates a token. See Cackling Counterpart as an example.
Doesn’t helm of the host just create an infinite stack that can’t end on the second turn it’s been equiped?
nope, just straight multiplication really (from reddit) "If you attach the helm during Main 1 on turn N, you'll have 1+(2^1)=3 during combat on turn N, 3+(2^3)=11 on turn N+1, and 11+(2^11)=2059 on turn N+2. After that it's essentially infinite."
@@MrNbkelly but if there’s three triggers on the stack, the first resolves creating a new token, then the second resolved creating a new token which would trigger the token that was just created right?
@@nightrider3982 they enter at the same time, so they don't see each other beeing created. So no doubling there.
Do breena next, I feel like the kind of group politics strategy that she brings is getting overlooked
Breena is gonna be this week
If they made this commander white it would have been a step in the right direction.
Adrix and Nev is so obviously broken, it's not even funny. Wizards is afraid that people will lose interest if they aren't handed a broken combo on a platter.
F Simic and F wotc for pumping green way too much and the blue green commanders way too much, to a point where half the ppl you play edh with have aesi decks. Its stupid to make commander cookie cutter and its dumb when everyone is running simic decks and barely any other color combinations. I refuse to run green and refuse to run simic; its a cop out and is too easy to abuse and net deck.