As a Caliber 40 owner, it was a little rough listening to your criticism but all is fair. Several things: the aft head is the “sea head”. You use the forward head for storage when at sea as the aft head is at the fulcrum of the boat and also is an excellent place to throw wet gear. The performance upwind is fair. However, this boat likes to be “pulled by the nose” meaning it’s all headsail. Put a reacher or asym on her and she will fly! The master cabin is the most comfortable I’ve ever been in. Been living aboard for over 10 years and I love it. Great to see you checking out the Cali er! Surprised you didn’t mention the integral tanks, tank capacity, removable cutter stay, and general livability of the boat. But, I’m a Caliber owner so I’m biased! Great videos and keep ‘em coming!!!
@@royhoward119 There are 2 models…the Caliber 40 and the after 1995 the Caliber 40 LRC. We have a 1992 so the tankage is 50 gal fuel and 160 gallons water. The tankage on the LRC models is far greater.
Fun fact: My wife and I made all of the cushions on that boat... Our slip is about 10 away from that boat. It's a shame you aren't going to buy it. I know how well the current owners took care of it... and enjoyed it for many, many years.
Great review/video. One thing I like about the Calibers is that they are very rugged with fully encapsulated keels, solid hulls, no balsa anywhere (no wet decks), and very sturdy rigs.
You underrated this boat. Spend 2 weeks on a Caliber 40 lrc and we sailed in rough condition offshore and I felt very comfortable and save. The only issue we had on a broad reach sailing with to much sail, where the boat was turning to the wind. After sail adjustment she sailed with no pressure on the helm very smooth. I recommend this boat for long term cruising.
A couple of tips from a dad. You have very good points and considerations in your reviews. I would also consider the following, if I was planning for 2 kids and if I was looking for a liveaboard boat. First of all I would prioritize 3 separate cabins. Kids tend to born not simultaneously (except in rare cases), so a parent is going to need some privacy with the newly born in the beginning. Unless the intention is to keep the whole crew awake 24/7. When the kids become teenagers (which happens FAST) they will need separate rooms, not only separate beds.
Agree 100%. It was amazing how much happier we all were once we got a minivan so each kid could have his own seat on long trips. And the word FAST above can not be emphasized enough! "The days are long, but the years are short." May God bless your yet-to-be family!
My kids are 5 and 8. We just moved up from a 22ft boat to a 27 which in one season started to seem small. Bigger boats become small quicker with kids! I am back here as the Caliber 33 is an interesting boat for me, my family size and my price point!
Got to love that sugar scoop rear end, good davit system, nice solar arch, lots of good stuff, but I guess that's what you get when you start looking at boats over 40 feet and over $100,000 dollars. Really enjoying the search, thank you for taking us along.
We had a C&C 37 and our neighbors in the slip beside us had a Caliber 40LRC. I loved that boat. Especially the ease of getting to all the systems as well as the easy access to the salon from the cockpit. You could go up or down with no hands carrying drinks or plates of food which you seem to do much more than most people realize.
Ive been captivated by all the talk of boat buying and the details you always check. I want to one day purchase my own and circumnavigate the world so its been extremely informative. Beyond that, I just wanna say how much I adore your videos. Ive chimed in a time or two, but your videos are always so calm and relaxing. It feels like no matter how big a squall life throws at me, your videos always calm me down.
The forward cabin is wonderful. I find myself hanging out there. You'll love that. The chain locker issue is real. You have to tend the chain when she comes up, no way around it. The Nav station issue is real, too. It's cramped. I don't find myself spending much time there. As far as single handing, this boat is a dream. You would probably want to use the quarterberth as a sea berth.
I'm learning so much from you two. Our first sailboat (1976 25' Ericson) was purchased on line and saw her on the hard with cheque in hand! Cheers from Canada!!
I have a handful of clients who LOVE their mast furling- personally: it’s not my preference because I like to keep as little weight aloft as possible and getting up to tend to issues leaves your on deck hand solo and VERY responsible for your and the boats well being. A second head is great- but you have to carry twice the marine sanitation fixing supplies... Following your purchase adventure has been ultra fun- because I shop and sell boats for a living- plus my partner and I are shopping for our next step up in racer / cruiser sailboat- it’s crazy to see how carrying our priorities are! Great videos guys!
@@Berelore you're a funny guy, but even then, yes never leave a boat(at sea) unless you have to step up into the life raft. BTW I can't walk on water, but then you might think you can....right?
Finally a Caliber 40 review ! I really like these boats . Kind of pricey and I've seen them go for double what they're asking here but we’re super well equipped. The Shannon you’ll love .
Always liked the LRC or Long Range Cruising version but this model is really a 42-45 fit in to a 40. The settee and NAV (wow that was a miss, imagine how much bigger / better the galley could have been) were sacrificed. Love the slo-mo scenes. Looking fwd to the Shannon 43.
The anchor locker issue can be easily solved. I did it on my boat. I made a wide roller of PVC tubing and positioned it over the desired location of the pile of chain. Positioned it as low as reasonable and the chain self feeds to make the pile. When the pile is high enough so there is not enough free chain hanging from the roller to keep pulling it to the rear it falls forward where there is still room for the rest. I don't even need to open the locker when anchoring it is very reliable just using gravity.
that sea berth has a relatively easy fix - we cut a relief through the bulkhead into the f'ward cabin - like a pigeon hole. First saw the idea in a Warship when the commissioning CO was 6'4" bloody funny - but also really effective - appropriately trimmed up of course. but you have to fess up Jordan is not the ideal height for a yachtsman - sailing manual 101 says an idea yachtsman should be 5'10" and celibate - never did like text books
Passport 40 might be worth looking at with the forward berth instead of the pullman berth. I have seen a couple for around $100,000 that need minimum work and they are nice. Just something to consider. The Pullman berth version has an extra head in the aft cabin but both Berths are double and not a sailboat queen. It is set up similar to the caliber but a lot more woodwork. Also the second head on the passport is in the quarter berth under a lid and doesn’t take from the salon. I guess it will be if you want wood or that white wall. The passport can be used as a cutter rig . The draft just under 6’. For $150,000 you would get a fantastic passport It is definitely a passage boat as well. That is a great boat and is a big step above the Tayana for quality but it probably reflects in the price.
I grew up spending my summers on a sailboat as a kid with my sister. My father was 6'5" and we were extremely comfortable on a 1992 monte cristo 43'. It was a center cockpit with the main salon aft. There was one head, and 3 individual staterooms. Built in South Africa it was more than equipped for long and short hauls.
Maybe a washing machine as a priority. Even one baby equals many diaper changes. Brian and Kaza on Delos would be a good source of info on the subject of a baby on a boat.
I really like to hear your descriptions of the important things you guys are thinking about. I'm hoping to buy a boat within the next 3-4 years as well, large enough for 4... so its nice to hear your view on things... Oh.. and who isn't a fan of Kretschmer? He's awesome! :)
The Caliber 40LRC was quite good, but my guess at this point in time is the Tayana Vancouver 42. Following your progress with interest! But nothing yet beats the galley in the Tayana and the Nav station is vastly better. Hope you can get a recent production if you choose it, to eliminate the likely tank storage issues. Thanks for taking us on your journey for Atticus 2. It is truly informative following you!
Maybe this will be the one. You have had some bad luck, but you have worked hard for your dream, and your acquired experience and skill is about to pay off. You have a lot of fans out here anxious to see you out on the water again!
Your search is so much fun, at least from where I am. I am sure it is a lot harder than it looks. Your positive attitudes, your eye on the prize search, and your respect for each other will get you through this in flying colors. After10 years in this boat I wonder what you priorities will be? Wait let’s get through this journey!!!!!! 😀 Have fun, be safe, and see you next week. As always thanks for taking us on your journey. You are bright spots in these confusing times.
Can't wait to see what you think of the Shannon 43. She is a looker. She has pretty lines like Atticus does. Plus the navigation stations are better thought out.
What a gorgeous boat. Not sure about raising two kids on there, but lots of families do it, so I’m sure you could too. Changing station is definitely not at an ideal level. You will hate that. Really glad I found you guys months ago. You two are great!!!
As a dad I am of the opinion that you are trying to find two boats in one hull. Kids are like boats in that the bigger they get their footprint gets exponentially larger. Try thinking about getting your first born through to the age of five or six and then you'll want to either get a bigger boat or find something with a yard. Enjoy your work and be safe carrying on!
Funny but that was pretty much my exact thought. May be the wrong time for the forever boat. 40 feet will be good until the first child is about 5. I think the forever boat will need to be bigger!
I obviously don't know you or your desired time table but have you considered Something in the mid 50 foot range or a shade larger? You might start a new industry doing weekend charters for people with small kids. The bad word in this is charters of course but you are still going to have to pay the bills (if you thought boats were expensive you haven't priced kids lol). With ~200K subscribers you already have a target market and you might even do teaching cruses either as individual (or couples) instruction or team up with an off the beaten path resort and have a weeks worth of partying on the beach at night and load em up and school em during the day. Random thoughts. Anyway, good luck!
Thanks for keeping us updated and you guys are definitely doing the right thing by taking your time and making a good decision. We are watching your show from Central Texas. Love yawls show!❤️❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍👍
About the furling Main. I have a little bit experience about it on a Jeanneu 44. It seems to get stuck every now and then and sometimes causing problems offshore and high seas and wind but that being said very comfortable when it works! Love your videos!
I live in northern calif and have a 19’ SeaFox 186 Commander fishing boat. It’s a 2020 and I’ve always been proud of it UNTIL I saw ur boat search videos lol. All those fancy terms man! But I did relate to the muddy chain part hahaha. Anyway, can’t wait for the next video. Don’t forget the category of: “Can this boat catch fish?” Lol luv you guys!
Given your requirements and price constraints, what are John Kretschmer’s 3 to 5 favorite sailboats? Bernie Jakits 3 to 5 favorite boats? Do they agree on anything?
Was very excited to see the 40 LRC for this video! If you don’t buy it, I may consider it? While cruising, I personally did all my charting on the main settee so I could completely roll out the charts, so the smallish nav station would never be a problem if it were me. The starboard settee being to short to use as a sea berth could be resolved by opening up a footwell into the locker? Seen many boats that are built this way. Operating an in mast roller furler? When putting the sail away, Just make sure to keep a lot of pressure on the outhaul as you operate the furling line. If the sail rolls up into the mast too lose, it can be very difficult to roll it out later. The sail gets bound up on itself while exiting the mast. You will lose some sail area with this system also because you cannot bring the sail all the way to the end of the boom. The outhaul tract and roller need space. You also won’t have any abilities to create sail shape. It works though, people have been using these sails for years. Can’t beat the tankage and cabin ventilations. As you know? Without a genset and air conditioning, good ventilation is the only way to sleep at night in the tropics. As you can see “Bud” I’m trying hard to sell this boat for Jordan lol. I would love nothing more than to see all the rest of your cruising videos as you circumnavigate using this boat. Im personally not ready yet for a few more years to do what your doing but would love to vicariously go cruising with you guys on this boat. Beware that I may downplay all the other boats as your choosing the right one for you? JK!! Love your channel and thanks again!
As soon as you start entering the realm of Selden in mast furling with the mandatory proximity switches, load sensors etc and all the computerised sh1t that controls the electric outhaul winch and all the extra power rewuired to run it, add the hydraulic backstay, vang and most likely steering and all the required reservoirs, valves pump etc etc you start to get a very complicated boat with lots and lots of electronic and computerised systems, I can absolutely guarantee you that my 8 year old steel Van De Stadt S34' built to Lloyd's register ocean going class A ice rated specifications with a full compliment of equipment required for safe ocean passage making cost me less than Ran's new rig at 23K$, and my boat is all mechanical systems with my own modified system for traditional single line slab reefing from the cockpit, tiller steered with 2 autopilots and a hydrovane (on order) AIS class B transponder, SSB with automatic antenna tuner, EPIRB, life raft, radar, garmin inreach, irridium go and satellite antenna, forward facing sonar/depth sounder, reaching spinnaker on carver continuous furler, all sails less than 7 years old, standing rigging 7 years old, 20 ton windlass and engine start (Vetus 33hp with 37 hrs)on separate battery bank, 350w solar on 2 MPPT's with separate charge monitoring system. No need to leave the cockpit unless its to set up the removable dyneema baby stay and hank on storm staysail, or to set the spinnaker pole, all mechanical systems, no fancy stuff, you'd better have very deep pockets and enjoy fixing stuff instead of sailing. Just saying. The reason why Atticus was sold was largely they wanted to sail mire, repair less.
Yeah, in mast will be good when the babes are tiny and one parent is single-handing. But definitely by age 9 the first one will be keeping the heading while the parents pull halyards
By far the best sailing channel on RUclips! Best of luck on your boat buying journey. Excited with you on a new chapter sailing around the world! #fan4life
Our 3 boys are now all well over 20 :-) Trying to cope with them sharing a bed when they were young would have been a nightmare for us ;-) Even more so when they get a bit older if you have a mixture of boys and girls. I wonder if any of the designs you are looking at have a couple of quarter berths? Even if they are not full cabins they are great for kids (can always add a curtain). While they are small there is still loads of storage at the far end. Plus when you are on passage they will need sea berths anyway, quarter berths will provide that. If the quarter berths are large then they can be a play space, also you can put a net/lee cloth at the end to stop them escaping (saves the hassles that you see on la Vagabonde where they have to put a lid on a child cot).
Confession time. I hadn't looked much at layouts for family bluewater cruising. Quarter berth cabins are lightweight Med charters or much older designs. Still I'm not convinced at using v-berths at sea for the kids. Maybe pilot berths in the saloon for passages? The designs are far too focused on two couples rather than parents and kids. Maybe one way is to refit a pullman cabin as two bunks, while you have the aft cabin. Or some of the older aft cabin designs have 2 singles in the aft cabin (but I'd want a walk through to it for kids). Our centre cockpit Rival 38 can have both the forecabin and the aft cabin as v-berths or doubles. But only about 6 built and too old for what you are looking for.
Love the headroom (I'm 6'3"+). I couldn't deal with the sea berth or nav station either. I like a swim step/sugar scoop but that one's a bit small (for landing a fish). Are you absolutely not interested in cats? Plenty of Lagoon 380 (and some Leopard 40) pretty close to that price range. They'd give so much more space although they don't sail upwind quite as well. Off the wind and beam reaching you could haul ass. Redundant engines, but that means maintaining 2 also. Abundant solar possibilities and great dinghy storage. Also it's great not hauling lead that will sink you if you hole the boat.
I would recommend looking at Bristol CC’s (center cockpits 41.1, 43.3, 45.5) in the 41-46 foot range. They have lots of advantages/features found in newer/modern boats. If you can find one that is well outfitted, it could be a great one to look at given the boxes you are looking to check.
I think this would be so much better also (but I'm a multihull loving guy). 3-4 cabins, 2 heads, large cockpit and salon on the level, plenty of solar possibilities and easy dinghy storage, great swim platforms for dinghy boarding and landing fish, redundant engines. I like 42-45' cats for cruising but you could do it with 38-40' easily (think Lagoon 380/Leopard 40). Far more space and you aren't hauling lead. The 80-90% of the time you are at anchor would be far more comfortable/enjoyable. Beam reaching and off the wind would be better but you would take a hit in upwind sailing. Just motor upwind and plan your passages accordingly.
the cat i think would be the next evolution! they keep talking about ten years but if they keep this up in 5 they will be on the 3rd kid and really need that stability lol😍💘
Cats are luxurious but don't offer the same sailing experience. They're floating condos. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the same. Also stability in rough weather offshore is a problem.
With the settee choices , the forward pocket double and the head forward, along with proven heavy sea ability I know I sound like a broken record but the Hans Christian 38 or 41 checks all the boxes and aft cabin . Finding one in great shape would be the challenge. I've seen them listed below 100 in great shape. Personal taste is everything though.
I believe you all hit the nail on the head. It is almost. Nice boat I admit. I also at 6'3 would have Jordan's same concern, If you had a main cabin with office area I could give and take on the nav station. Like Desiree was saying on the protection of the Nav station with the stove area right there. Hmm. I see possible issues with that, like that sneak attack. That sail ability I also would not like to well as you Jordan. Keep looking, it will be the most important decision you make and both of you have laid out what you want in a boat and the experience you have, Well Its not the one. Desiree, did you know Jordan was giving me private lessons on what works and what don't? lol. Take care and keep shopping and have fun.
I'm really happy that the kickstarter went so well. These boat search videos have been fantastic, really well shot and some really great explanations of your thinking and why you rate the boats how you rate them. I'm torn because I want you to find Atticus II, but I want to keep seeing you review boats. (Especially if you threw in some reviews of other RUclips boats without showing the name or showing the crew/owners just to see if people recognize them.
I just bought my first yacht, a 38foot steel cutter rig, for NZ$30,000. Very good condition, 30 years old, off the original builder.. Thats what I call a good buy. Yes its been round the world as a live on board for 17 years after building.. Woohoo
Firstly, the boat's in absolute immaculate condition..What a great job the current owner(s) have done! Really nice galley as well. However, it seems like several areas were designed as after thoughts. Unfortunately, the nav station, is in an awkward position. The interior layout seems a bit dodgy. These boats also aren't the smoothest during open water cruising. Especially at higher speeds. Something to remember with young children or infants. Cheers from Western OZ!
In mast furling is awesome. I purchased my first boat with a furling main and I was a tad nervous, due to lack of experience with the furled. After a season of sailing, I can’t imagine going back to a traditional mainsail.
I can understand your reservations due to your priorities, but because of its condition among the other comforts; don’t forget about this boat ⛵️ . Just in case. Love the journey you are bringing us on . 👍
I enjoyed watching! I think there is a better boat out there for you two. Of course you could have Jordan's legs shortened. That would solve the too tall obstacles. But that nav station, . . . ? It looks too small for even a medium sized person and I don't like that it is right next to the stove. Good luck with the up coming Shannon 43! Scott W
the floor space alone makes this boat perfect for small kids having play space. the second head with little kids is key so you can leave the step stool in there and and potty seat attached and you know..kid stuff..soap toothbrush etc.
Hi guys! I love following your boat search. I am also 6.4 and find it very important to get a boat with full head space. But I dont understand why your not looking a catamarans, with 2 kids in the future, play space and comfort must be the most importent, the hole thing about sailing more, I think that will chance, and the kids will take over that priorty.. the cats are fast and more stable for small feet to walk around, you will have to a lot more cooking/feeting. and if you want to sail more upwind, get one with daggerboards. Looking forward to see the next boat review, hang loose from Denmark...
Again.... Love it. I'm almost always sold on the boat but the next week happens. Cass thinks this is the one but I'm like "Na na na na. Just wait. There's always next week". I do love this boat but We still can't wait for what's next.
Oooooo. Shannon Next. You may just fall in love. I gush over them. There is a Caliber in my home marina that I love. Thanks for these vids. The multi-faceted overviews and personal opinions are all of fantastic value.
This is my very first RUclips comment ever. I just want to tell you Desiree, that I am completely OBSESSED with your gorgeous hair!!! Also, you seem like you’re almost a real person. 🤣🤣🤣 You guys rock!! We had the best time last night. Hopefully, we can go out on Argo while you’re in town.
😂😂😂😂 thanks for a memorable hang out session and the most delicious dinner we've had in a while! Oh and give the pups a squeeze for me! Fingers crossed we can hit the water this weekend!
Just watched the video on my tv. Man these boats that jordan and desiree are looking at make me want to go sailing. Good luck on the hunt. You guys will come across the right one.
Better boat so far but yeah you're right with the items you don't like. Nothing really the fault of the boat but more your needs. Thanks for the tour. That was fun. Kickstarter? How often do you get to go shopping for a boat with someone. Glad we could help.
Thank you for sharing your journey with us and for inspiring so many people. I am SO glad I could support you on kick stater before it ends :-) (pfiou only 25mn left ;-) All the best to you. Wishing you many many more years of happiness to both of you and your future family. Love from Montreal, Canada.
Good looking boat with a nice interior and amazingly well maintained. All those hatches would be a ton of maintenance even for someone who could sleep in the sea berth and sit in the nav-station. Also, any middle of the night bathroom breaks for those in the forward berth would get ridiculous based on only having access to get up from one side.
As a Caliber 40 owner, it was a little rough listening to your criticism but all is fair. Several things: the aft head is the “sea head”. You use the forward head for storage when at sea as the aft head is at the fulcrum of the boat and also is an excellent place to throw wet gear.
The performance upwind is fair. However, this boat likes to be “pulled by the nose” meaning it’s all headsail. Put a reacher or asym on her and she will fly!
The master cabin is the most comfortable I’ve ever been in. Been living aboard for over 10 years and I love it. Great to see you checking out the Cali er! Surprised you didn’t mention the integral tanks, tank capacity, removable cutter stay, and general livability of the boat.
But, I’m a Caliber owner so I’m biased!
Great videos and keep ‘em coming!!!
So, what is the tankage?
@@royhoward119 There are 2 models…the Caliber 40 and the after 1995 the Caliber 40 LRC. We have a 1992 so the tankage is 50 gal fuel and 160 gallons water. The tankage on the LRC models is far greater.
Fun fact: My wife and I made all of the cushions on that boat... Our slip is about 10 away from that boat. It's a shame you aren't going to buy it. I know how well the current owners took care of it... and enjoyed it for many, many years.
If publisher's clearing house comes calling, I will be in touch.
@@clausingmoss7722 Broker? Maybe. Owners? No... We are friends with them and they aren’t the self-promoting types.
Great review/video. One thing I like about the Calibers is that they are very rugged with fully encapsulated keels, solid hulls, no balsa anywhere (no wet decks), and very sturdy rigs.
Close, but no cigar. You're closing in on the perfect one and I really believe you'll know it right off when you find it. Good luck on the search.
@@fufucker9898 My thoughts exactly and like I said chart folded in a large zip lock bag brings it to the helm. Too much fuss over the nav station.
You underrated this boat. Spend 2 weeks on a Caliber 40 lrc and we sailed in rough condition offshore and I felt very comfortable and save. The only issue we had on a broad reach sailing with to much sail, where the boat was turning to the wind. After sail adjustment she sailed with no pressure on the helm very smooth. I recommend this boat for long term cruising.
A couple of tips from a dad.
You have very good points and considerations in your reviews.
I would also consider the following, if I was planning for 2 kids and if I was looking for a liveaboard boat.
First of all I would prioritize 3 separate cabins.
Kids tend to born not simultaneously (except in rare cases), so a parent is going to need some privacy with the newly born in the beginning. Unless the intention is to keep the whole crew awake 24/7.
When the kids become teenagers (which happens FAST) they will need separate rooms, not only separate beds.
Twins would solve that problem
Agree 100%. It was amazing how much happier we all were once we got a minivan so each kid could have his own seat on long trips. And the word FAST above can not be emphasized enough! "The days are long, but the years are short." May God bless your yet-to-be family!
My kids are 5 and 8. We just moved up from a 22ft boat to a 27 which in one season started to seem small. Bigger boats become small quicker with kids! I am back here as the Caliber 33 is an interesting boat for me, my family size and my price point!
Got to love that sugar scoop rear end, good davit system, nice solar arch, lots of good stuff, but I guess that's what you get when you start looking at boats over 40 feet and over $100,000 dollars. Really enjoying the search, thank you for taking us along.
It’s good to see that the tears a few weeks ago have changed over to big smiles. You will transition quite well once you find “the one”.
Remember that the in mast furling increases weight significantly up the mast , meaning that at anchor the boat rocks a lot more
We had a C&C 37 and our neighbors in the slip beside us had a Caliber 40LRC. I loved that boat. Especially the ease of getting to all the systems as well as the easy access to the salon from the cockpit. You could go up or down with no hands carrying drinks or plates of food which you seem to do much more than most people realize.
you guys continue to lift me up and give me hope. What a wonderful gift. Be safe.
Ive been captivated by all the talk of boat buying and the details you always check. I want to one day purchase my own and circumnavigate the world so its been extremely informative. Beyond that, I just wanna say how much I adore your videos. Ive chimed in a time or two, but your videos are always so calm and relaxing. It feels like no matter how big a squall life throws at me, your videos always calm me down.
The forward cabin is wonderful. I find myself hanging out there. You'll love that.
The chain locker issue is real. You have to tend the chain when she comes up, no way around it.
The Nav station issue is real, too. It's cramped. I don't find myself spending much time there.
As far as single handing, this boat is a dream.
You would probably want to use the quarterberth as a sea berth.
Really enjoying this series of videos. Entertaining and informative format, excellent production values. Well done!
I'm learning so much from you two. Our first sailboat (1976 25' Ericson) was purchased on line and saw her on the hard with cheque in hand! Cheers from Canada!!
You two are getting better and better at pragmatic views of these boats, and are working as a really aligned (extended) team here. Bravo!
I have a handful of clients who LOVE their mast furling- personally: it’s not my preference because I like to keep as little weight aloft as possible and getting up to tend to issues leaves your on deck hand solo and VERY responsible for your and the boats well being.
A second head is great- but you have to carry twice the marine sanitation fixing supplies...
Following your purchase adventure has been ultra fun- because I shop and sell boats for a living- plus my partner and I are shopping for our next step up in racer / cruiser sailboat- it’s crazy to see how carrying our priorities are!
Great videos guys!
Hey Jordan , the deep well is at your rear 13:24 …… lol
Boats are like busses. Another one will be along in a few minutes! Go Atticus!
Never be afraid to walk away from a boat
@@sarabaker5349 Unless you're at sea...
@@Berelore you're a funny guy, but even then, yes never leave a boat(at sea) unless you have to step up into the life raft. BTW I can't walk on water, but then you might think you can....right?
Finally a Caliber 40 review ! I really like these boats . Kind of pricey and I've seen them go for double what they're asking here but we’re super well equipped. The Shannon you’ll love .
Always liked the LRC or Long Range Cruising version but this model is really a 42-45 fit in to a 40. The settee and NAV (wow that was a miss, imagine how much bigger / better the galley could have been) were sacrificed. Love the slo-mo scenes. Looking fwd to the Shannon 43.
You are killing it with this format. The pro tip, breakdown, etc. love it.
The anchor locker issue can be easily solved. I did it on my boat. I made a wide roller of PVC tubing and positioned it over the desired location of the pile of chain. Positioned it as low as reasonable and the chain self feeds to make the pile. When the pile is high enough so there is not enough free chain hanging from the roller to keep pulling it to the rear it falls forward where there is still room for the rest. I don't even need to open the locker when anchoring it is very reliable just using gravity.
My favorite boat so far. Can't wait to see whats next.
Jordan! Shoes off on the boat! Come on man !
HEY Y'ALL. REALLY ENJOYING THESE PAST COUPLE VIDS!! UNFORTUNATELY IT MAKES ME WANT TO BUY A BOAT!!!! KEEP IT UP
Lol..haha me too!!!
I am loving your boat reviews and can't wait to see the Shannon 43, on of my all time favorite designs.
that sea berth has a relatively easy fix - we cut a relief through the bulkhead into the f'ward cabin - like a pigeon hole. First saw the idea in a Warship when the commissioning CO was 6'4" bloody funny - but also really effective - appropriately trimmed up of course. but you have to fess up Jordan is not the ideal height for a yachtsman - sailing manual 101 says an idea yachtsman should be 5'10" and celibate - never did like text books
Passport 40 might be worth looking at with the forward berth instead of the pullman berth. I have seen a couple for around $100,000 that need minimum work and they are nice.
Just something to consider.
The Pullman berth version has an extra head in the aft cabin but both Berths are double and not a sailboat queen.
It is set up similar to the caliber but a lot more woodwork. Also the second head on the passport is in the quarter berth under a lid and doesn’t take from the salon.
I guess it will be if you want wood or that white wall.
The passport can be used as a cutter rig . The draft just under 6’. For $150,000 you would get a fantastic passport
It is definitely a passage boat as well.
That is a great boat and is a big step above the Tayana for quality but it probably reflects in the price.
I grew up spending my summers on a sailboat as a kid with my sister. My father was 6'5" and we were extremely comfortable on a 1992 monte cristo 43'. It was a center cockpit with the main salon aft. There was one head, and 3 individual staterooms. Built in South Africa it was more than equipped for long and short hauls.
Maybe a washing machine as a priority. Even one baby equals many diaper changes. Brian and Kaza on Delos would be a good source of info on the subject of a baby on a boat.
A washing machine uses a lot of water and is very heavy, particularly for a sailing vessel
I really like to hear your descriptions of the important things you guys are thinking about. I'm hoping to buy a boat within the next 3-4 years as well, large enough for 4... so its nice to hear your view on things... Oh.. and who isn't a fan of Kretschmer? He's awesome! :)
Not unusual to see a family of 4, with a dog on a 30' boat. Don't know how anyone could do it!!
Beautiful boat. I absolutely love shopping for boats with you both!!!
8:19 Nice aft. And the back of the boat is okay too.
The Caliber 40LRC was quite good, but my guess at this point in time is the Tayana Vancouver 42. Following your progress with interest! But nothing yet beats the galley in the Tayana and the Nav station is vastly better. Hope you can get a recent production if you choose it, to eliminate the likely tank storage issues. Thanks for taking us on your journey for Atticus 2. It is truly informative following you!
Best one you have seen so far
Maybe this will be the one. You have had some bad luck, but you have worked hard for your dream, and your acquired experience and skill is about to pay off. You have a lot of fans out here anxious to see you out on the water again!
Your search is so much fun, at least from where I am. I am sure it is a lot harder than it looks. Your positive attitudes, your eye on the prize search, and your respect for each other will get you through this in flying colors. After10 years in this boat I wonder what you priorities will be? Wait let’s get through this journey!!!!!! 😀 Have fun, be safe, and see you next week. As always thanks for taking us on your journey. You are bright spots in these confusing times.
I am so excited for you guys. Your being very methodical in selecting your new home which is a very smart. Good luck. 🍀
Can't wait to see what you think of the Shannon 43. She is a looker. She has pretty lines like Atticus does. Plus the navigation stations are better thought out.
You are doing great! You two are so talented and it shows in the quality of your work. Keep your spirits up and get what you need. Love you guys.
What a gorgeous boat. Not sure about raising two kids on there, but lots of families do it, so I’m sure you could too. Changing station is definitely not at an ideal level. You will hate that. Really glad I found you guys months ago. You two are great!!!
In mast main sail is the best! Totally recommend it!
Glad to see you guys back after Atticus 1. Glad to see you looking for a new boat...but still sailing...
As a dad I am of the opinion that you are trying to find two boats in one hull. Kids are like boats in that the bigger they get their footprint gets exponentially larger. Try thinking about getting your first born through to the age of five or six and then you'll want to either get a bigger boat or find something with a yard. Enjoy your work and be safe carrying on!
Funny but that was pretty much my exact thought. May be the wrong time for the forever boat. 40 feet will be good until the first child is about 5. I think the forever boat will need to be bigger!
I obviously don't know you or your desired time table but have you considered Something in the mid 50 foot range or a shade larger? You might start a new industry doing weekend charters for people with small kids. The bad word in this is charters of course but you are still going to have to pay the bills (if you thought boats were expensive you haven't priced kids lol). With ~200K subscribers you already have a target market and you might even do teaching cruses either as individual (or couples) instruction or team up with an off the beaten path resort and have a weeks worth of partying on the beach at night and load em up and school em during the day. Random thoughts. Anyway, good luck!
Thanks for keeping us updated and you guys are definitely doing the right thing by taking your time and making a good decision. We are watching your show from Central Texas. Love yawls show!❤️❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍👍
I’m really enjoying this new series of videos you two are producing. You have really stepped up your game! Well done!
About the furling Main. I have a little bit experience about it on a Jeanneu 44. It seems to get stuck every now and then and sometimes causing problems offshore and high seas and wind but that being said very comfortable when it works! Love your videos!
You guys are awesome, can't wait to see the new boat!
Love all the detail you’re showing in these walkthroughs! Can you please ask John to make a top five cruising boat video?
Check out his book sailing a serious ocean for good list of top cruising sailboats 😁 I'll also ask him in case that list has changed
@@ProjectAtticus will do. Thanks!
I'm finding this really educational, and love your commentary and thought behind your choices. Good luck!
I live in northern calif and have a 19’ SeaFox 186 Commander fishing boat. It’s a 2020 and I’ve always been proud of it UNTIL I saw ur boat search videos lol. All those fancy terms man! But I did relate to the muddy chain part hahaha. Anyway, can’t wait for the next video. Don’t forget the category of: “Can this boat catch fish?” Lol luv you guys!
Given your requirements and price constraints, what are John Kretschmer’s 3 to 5 favorite sailboats? Bernie Jakits 3 to 5 favorite boats? Do they agree on anything?
That is one well cared for boat - a rare find? You guys review well, making this well worth watching. And enjoyable of course!
Was very excited to see the 40 LRC for this video! If you don’t buy it, I may consider it? While cruising, I personally did all my charting on the main settee so I could completely roll out the charts, so the smallish nav station would never be a problem if it were me. The starboard settee being to short to use as a sea berth could be resolved by opening up a footwell into the locker? Seen many boats that are built this way. Operating an in mast roller furler? When putting the sail away, Just make sure to keep a lot of pressure on the outhaul as you operate the furling line. If the sail rolls up into the mast too lose, it can be very difficult to roll it out later. The sail gets bound up on itself while exiting the mast. You will lose some sail area with this system also because you cannot bring the sail all the way to the end of the boom. The outhaul tract and roller need space. You also won’t have any abilities to create sail shape. It works though, people have been using these sails for years. Can’t beat the tankage and cabin ventilations. As you know? Without a genset and air conditioning, good ventilation is the only way to sleep at night in the tropics. As you can see “Bud” I’m trying hard to sell this boat for Jordan lol. I would love nothing more than to see all the rest of your cruising videos as you circumnavigate using this boat. Im personally not ready yet for a few more years to do what your doing but would love to vicariously go cruising with you guys on this boat. Beware that I may downplay all the other boats as your choosing the right one for you? JK!! Love your channel and thanks again!
Have you guys watch Ran Sailing and seen the new second boat that they bought in Sweden after they sold the one in Mexico? The new boat is awesome.
Najad 44' CC, great boats and one I suggested they look at. PS stay away from teak decks and in mast furling, shitstorm awaiting
As soon as you start entering the realm of Selden in mast furling with the mandatory proximity switches, load sensors etc and all the computerised sh1t that controls the electric outhaul winch and all the extra power rewuired to run it, add the hydraulic backstay, vang and most likely steering and all the required reservoirs, valves pump etc etc you start to get a very complicated boat with lots and lots of electronic and computerised systems, I can absolutely guarantee you that my 8 year old steel Van De Stadt S34' built to Lloyd's register ocean going class A ice rated specifications with a full compliment of equipment required for safe ocean passage making cost me less than Ran's new rig at 23K$, and my boat is all mechanical systems with my own modified system for traditional single line slab reefing from the cockpit, tiller steered with 2 autopilots and a hydrovane (on order) AIS class B transponder, SSB with automatic antenna tuner, EPIRB, life raft, radar, garmin inreach, irridium go and satellite antenna, forward facing sonar/depth sounder, reaching spinnaker on carver continuous furler, all sails less than 7 years old, standing rigging 7 years old, 20 ton windlass and engine start (Vetus 33hp with 37 hrs)on separate battery bank, 350w solar on 2 MPPT's with separate charge monitoring system.
No need to leave the cockpit unless its to set up the removable dyneema baby stay and hank on storm staysail, or to set the spinnaker pole, all mechanical systems, no fancy stuff, you'd better have very deep pockets and enjoy fixing stuff instead of sailing. Just saying. The reason why Atticus was sold was largely they wanted to sail mire, repair less.
@@jonnorousseau3096 ya i would rather see a in boom then a in mast. but if you could find a park avenue that would be a epic steel
Yeah, in mast will be good when the babes are tiny and one parent is single-handing. But definitely by age 9 the first one will be keeping the heading while the parents pull halyards
Watched this one again this is it I think!!!! Maybe for Atticus 2!!!!! I really like this one!
This is my favorite sailboat so far
Well done, guys! Really enjoy following along on your search and have learned a lot from following the channel. Cheers!
By far the best sailing channel on RUclips! Best of luck on your boat buying journey. Excited with you on a new chapter sailing around the world! #fan4life
Our 3 boys are now all well over 20 :-)
Trying to cope with them sharing a bed when they were young would have been a nightmare for us ;-) Even more so when they get a bit older if you have a mixture of boys and girls.
I wonder if any of the designs you are looking at have a couple of quarter berths? Even if they are not full cabins they are great for kids (can always add a curtain). While they are small there is still loads of storage at the far end. Plus when you are on passage they will need sea berths anyway, quarter berths will provide that. If the quarter berths are large then they can be a play space, also you can put a net/lee cloth at the end to stop them escaping (saves the hassles that you see on la Vagabonde where they have to put a lid on a child cot).
Confession time. I hadn't looked much at layouts for family bluewater cruising. Quarter berth cabins are lightweight Med charters or much older designs.
Still I'm not convinced at using v-berths at sea for the kids. Maybe pilot berths in the saloon for passages?
The designs are far too focused on two couples rather than parents and kids.
Maybe one way is to refit a pullman cabin as two bunks, while you have the aft cabin.
Or some of the older aft cabin designs have 2 singles in the aft cabin (but I'd want a walk through to it for kids).
Our centre cockpit Rival 38 can have both the forecabin and the aft cabin as v-berths or doubles. But only about 6 built and too old for what you are looking for.
Love the headroom (I'm 6'3"+). I couldn't deal with the sea berth or nav station either.
I like a swim step/sugar scoop but that one's a bit small (for landing a fish).
Are you absolutely not interested in cats? Plenty of Lagoon 380 (and some Leopard 40) pretty close to that price range. They'd give so much more space although they don't sail upwind quite as well. Off the wind and beam reaching you could haul ass. Redundant engines, but that means maintaining 2 also. Abundant solar possibilities and great dinghy storage. Also it's great not hauling lead that will sink you if you hole the boat.
I would recommend looking at Bristol CC’s (center cockpits 41.1, 43.3, 45.5) in the 41-46 foot range. They have lots of advantages/features found in newer/modern boats. If you can find one that is well outfitted, it could be a great one to look at given the boxes you are looking to check.
Are you guys at least considering catamarans? if the goal is raising a family, I'd think the space and stability would be a big advantage.
I think this would be so much better also (but I'm a multihull loving guy).
3-4 cabins, 2 heads, large cockpit and salon on the level, plenty of solar possibilities and easy dinghy storage, great swim platforms for dinghy boarding and landing fish, redundant engines. I like 42-45' cats for cruising but you could do it with 38-40' easily (think Lagoon 380/Leopard 40). Far more space and you aren't hauling lead. The 80-90% of the time you are at anchor would be far more comfortable/enjoyable. Beam reaching and off the wind would be better but you would take a hit in upwind sailing. Just motor upwind and plan your passages accordingly.
the cat i think would be the next evolution! they keep talking about ten years but if they keep this up in 5 they will be on the 3rd kid and really need that stability lol😍💘
@@steveturansky9031 Its not in the $150,000 budget unless you are buying an older boat which would need plenty of work
the stability of catamarans is a myth
Cats are luxurious but don't offer the same sailing experience. They're floating condos. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the same. Also stability in rough weather offshore is a problem.
Nice boat for sure. It is good that you have your needs in mind and to keep looking. ⛵
With the settee choices , the forward pocket double and the head forward, along with proven heavy sea ability I know I sound like a broken record but the Hans Christian 38 or 41 checks all the boxes and aft cabin . Finding one in great shape would be the challenge. I've seen them listed below 100 in great shape. Personal taste is everything though.
I believe you all hit the nail on the head. It is almost. Nice boat I admit. I also at 6'3 would have Jordan's same concern, If you had a main cabin with office area I could give and take on the nav station. Like Desiree was saying on the protection of the Nav station with the stove area right there. Hmm. I see possible issues with that, like that sneak attack. That sail ability I also would not like to well as you Jordan. Keep looking, it will be the most important decision you make and both of you have laid out what you want in a boat and the experience you have, Well Its not the one. Desiree, did you know Jordan was giving me private lessons on what works and what don't? lol. Take care and keep shopping and have fun.
An informative & knowledgable episode .....looking forward to the next boat !
I'm really happy that the kickstarter went so well. These boat search videos have been fantastic, really well shot and some really great explanations of your thinking and why you rate the boats how you rate them.
I'm torn because I want you to find Atticus II, but I want to keep seeing you review boats. (Especially if you threw in some reviews of other RUclips boats without showing the name or showing the crew/owners just to see if people recognize them.
I just bought my first yacht, a 38foot steel cutter rig, for NZ$30,000. Very good condition, 30 years old, off the original builder.. Thats what I call a good buy. Yes its been round the world as a live on board for 17 years after building.. Woohoo
BEST BOAT SO FAR!!
Firstly, the boat's in absolute immaculate condition..What a great job the current owner(s) have done! Really nice galley as well. However, it seems like several areas were designed as after thoughts. Unfortunately, the nav station, is in an awkward position. The interior layout seems a bit dodgy. These boats also aren't the smoothest during open water cruising. Especially at higher speeds. Something to remember with young children or infants. Cheers from Western OZ!
You are both very wise people! Praying you get the ideal boat for you're future family!
I liked the boat too...however, totally agree with you about the nav station...the search continues. Good luck
Aloha from Hawaii
New Bern!!! Looks like Fairfield Harbor..nice to see you guys in my neck of the woods..... Good luck and keep on making great content.
Your insights into the boats is very interesting.
In mast furling is awesome. I purchased my first boat with a furling main and I was a tad nervous, due to lack of experience with the furled. After a season of sailing, I can’t imagine going back to a traditional mainsail.
I can understand your reservations due to your priorities, but because of its condition among the other comforts; don’t forget about this boat ⛵️ . Just in case. Love the journey you are bringing us on . 👍
Always great to see you! Thanks again!
This boat got me excited! Cannot wait till the next video.
I enjoyed watching! I think there is a better boat out there for you two. Of course you could have Jordan's legs shortened. That would solve the too tall obstacles. But that nav station, . . . ? It looks too small for even a medium sized person and I don't like that it is right next to the stove. Good luck with the up coming Shannon 43! Scott W
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the floor space alone makes this boat perfect for small kids having play space. the second head with little kids is key so you can leave the step stool in there and and potty seat attached and you know..kid stuff..soap toothbrush etc.
Hi guys! I love following your boat search. I am also 6.4 and find it very important to get a boat with full head space. But I dont understand why your not looking a catamarans, with 2 kids in the future, play space and comfort must be the most importent, the hole thing about sailing more, I think that will chance, and the kids will take over that priorty.. the cats are fast and more stable for small feet to walk around, you will have to a lot more cooking/feeting. and if you want to sail more upwind, get one with daggerboards. Looking forward to see the next boat review, hang loose from Denmark...
Again.... Love it. I'm almost always sold on the boat but the next week happens. Cass thinks this is the one but I'm like "Na na na na. Just wait. There's always next week". I do love this boat but We still can't wait for what's next.
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So close! We love your rating system and the effort you're putting into your research. Hopefully the next one is the charm! Be safe out there!
Glad to see you guys upgrading
Great videos, very informative. You guys are shopping for boats that will fit my family as well. So I consider that a huge bonus.
That's your ride guys, accept the compromises xx
Looks so cozy!
We appreciate your videos. Wow so much work goes into 20 minutes.
Oooooo. Shannon Next. You may just fall in love. I gush over them. There is a Caliber in my home marina that I love. Thanks for these vids. The multi-faceted overviews and personal opinions are all of fantastic value.
I have a caliber 28 and I love it!
SO excited for you two! Have you guys considered a catamaran?
This is my very first RUclips comment ever. I just want to tell you Desiree, that I am completely OBSESSED with your gorgeous hair!!! Also, you seem like you’re almost a real person. 🤣🤣🤣 You guys rock!! We had the best time last night. Hopefully, we can go out on Argo while you’re in town.
😂😂😂😂 thanks for a memorable hang out session and the most delicious dinner we've had in a while! Oh and give the pups a squeeze for me! Fingers crossed we can hit the water this weekend!
Would be a great choice as a step up from Atticus. Roomy enough for a young family and a good solid cruiser. Will hold some value too.
Just watched the video on my tv. Man these boats that jordan and desiree are looking at make me want to go sailing. Good luck on the hunt. You guys will come across the right one.
Better boat so far but yeah you're right with the items you don't like. Nothing really the fault of the boat but more your needs. Thanks for the tour. That was fun.
Kickstarter? How often do you get to go shopping for a boat with someone. Glad we could help.
Thank you for sharing your journey with us and for inspiring so many people. I am SO glad I could support you on kick stater before it ends :-) (pfiou only 25mn left ;-) All the best to you. Wishing you many many more years of happiness to both of you and your future family. Love from Montreal, Canada.
Thank you so much for your support!! It means so much to us!!
Good looking boat with a nice interior and amazingly well maintained. All those hatches would be a ton of maintenance even for someone who could sleep in the sea berth and sit in the nav-station. Also, any middle of the night bathroom breaks for those in the forward berth would get ridiculous based on only having access to get up from one side.
Would be a very nice choice interior wise exterior looks great, mechanicals sound