E-flite - F-16 Thunderbirds - 70mm - Flapperons W/O Programming Cable
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Your camera operator is awesome, and fearless.
She is! thanks!!!
Duuuude. That first landing coming up the driveway was SIIICK!!! Well done!
Thanks!!
Thanks for taking the time to show us your experiences with this plane! I just bought this second hand at an RC Swap Meet. I only have a DX6 so this is not going to work for me. She is a screamer, that's for sure. All the best. Alan with ALL MOTION IMAGES
You're welcome, and thanks for being here with us!
It's mad how fast that plane comes in to land🤙
True! I want to slow her down....oh well, I guess you'll just have to wait and see what actually worked on the next video - coming soon ;)
Great to watch you fly all the favorite RCs .love the homestead.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks Robert!
Sick, you're tearing up the skies in a very nice looking sunset. Well done bro! :)
Thanks!
I smell the grind from miles away another great video love it
Thanks!!!
Hello Brian and Mrs Megan aka camera crew. Always picking up tips and tricks for plane setups. Programming 636 rx is a task i have done 1 and used the phone app. Its better on a pc. But it did work. Air marshal has a good set of videos on setting up the 636 rx. As always well done from you guys. We had a spa competition at our air field this weekend good turn out for the times. I posted a few pics of some of the planes on fb under Johnson city radio controllers. Thank you for your video keep flying you guys. Thank you for your video. Just having fun RC'n with friends and family members.
Thanks for the heads up. I watched Air Marshal for some help...later realized I just needed to revert back to old firmware, but wasn't really excited to fiddle with it any more. These Rx'es are crazy powerfull, but HH doesn't make it "easy" to setup - that's for sure!!!
Followed your video instructions and they worked fantastic,we were having trouble getting off grass with our t-birds at our local club field,now we are up in half the distance,we are using the stock AR631 specktrum recievers that came with the t birds,no matter what we did in the past we could not get in the air unless we hand tossed, but now with the flaperons no issues,we did havt to take safe off to use channel 6 for one side,can the safe channel be moved if say i went with a 8 channel rec with safe to have the bailout option(safe)
SWEEEEET! So glad we could help!!!!!
Where are the instructions for flaperons? I can't get mine off the grass
@@stevenungester927 ruclips.net/video/WGTB7FMwnA4/видео.html
You're the man. Love the flapperons ans all the ideas. Can't wait for the next improvements on this.
Thanks! Wish they would have worked better. Don't want to ruin it for you, but please watch the next video :) (You might have already....if so sorry!)
Love the video, only thing I am missing would be "scale"-like runway markings painted on your runway xP
That would be awesome lol
I don't want to put down markings if I end up making the runway longer. I should, then I can just add on later....
@@BrianPhillipsRC Markings can be changed ;)
But I understand where you are comming from.
In my vision there would be a scale terminal for your airliners with taxi lanes and all the trimmings, but your video content is more important. And I have no complaints about that.
Keep up the good work.
Just used your link to pick up an F-16. With the 637T, I'm going to setup Flaperons and maintain AS3X. Thanks for sharing how to split and crimp the Y connector without taking the plane apart.
Do you think the plane would provide more output with the 80A SMART ESC over the stock EFL 70A? Considering the upgrade, but unsure about space for it without cutting foam. The fit on the stock ESC already looked a little snug in your Gooniac Booty install video. The additional weight might help pull the CG back.
First off, thank you for buying from the links ;)
To answer your question...10 additional Amps for a pretty decent LOAD of cash might not be worth it, BUT if the money is secondary, the weight might be kinda nice to help move the CG back a bit. I do think you'll have a really fun time fitting it ;) You can always just RAM it in and see how it fits - that's usually half the fun ;)
How did the spoilerons feel? A few people have mentioned the spoilerons being more interesting than the flaperons.
Felt like not a huge improvement. What this plane and many other EDF jet NEEDS...to be more tail heavy. This way you can slow down into a high alpha configuration and just PLOP it down in feet ;)
I wanted SO badly for these Flapperons to work well...but they just basically didn't.
I wonder about Leading Edge Slaps on this platform. I wonder if that would work, and might be fun to try. I want to slow down without HAVING to be in alpha...then I could land it more realistically looking, not that alpha doesn't look cool, it's just to intense a plop down.
Maybe we can try this soon.
@@BrianPhillipsRC thanks! Was thinking of trying it on my f15 but sounds like it might not be worth it. Although I did like the idea of using full wing flaps on a large square wing like my timber x
I like the flapperon idea. Perhaps they will work better if you have elevons?
YEAH. That's totally true...since you'd keep some roll authority with flapperons deployed. I'd like to setup that, but with the AR636B, with retracts, and with tailevons, if you're using AS3X, I don't think there's a way to do all of that at the same time.
I have the Bluetooth programming cable but I’m gonna be in the market for the one your showcasing as well to help program my RX’s just using my PC. And nice to see that “Viper” with flaperon’s!!! Looking forward to future videos on this because I’m very interested in doing it myself. And there just called LEF’s on a f-16. And I wonder if there’s a way to get to elevons to work as well just like the real one has maybe that would help a little bit as well. On my HSD 105mm EDF F-16 I have everything but LEF.
Cool!
Outstanding, thank you guys.
Our pleasure!
I just got the E-Flite Ultimate Biplane 950mm is it possible to follow these steps to get flaperons on it? I like elevator flap mixing for more stable hovering maneuvers.
I wouldn't do it on a 3D - WAY too much AS3X going on, and you'll HATE me for suggesting it!!!!
If you want to reprogram the Rx, and want that headache, I encourage you to give it a try, but it'll be hours of frustration., and I can't help you much on that. I barely got it done on the F16...Sorry...
Is it worth me putting flap Erin’s on my f16? Is it big difference
No. It didn't help. Use the AIR BREAK mod if you want to mod it. OR Get the CG back as far as you can...you'll be WAY happier. Watch my whole series on this and you can make up your own mind ;)
Try tightening up the wheels a little to add resistance (like braking) on the landings. I had to do this to a plane a while back that was eating up all the runway on a landing.
Only issue is that you'll have resistance with takeoff too, but would be helpful.
Brian Phillips you’re correct. I only put tension on the rear wheels to assist on landings. I left the front wheel free so it didn’t have an affect on the way the plane taxi’d
Hey mr phillips... I must say... I am greatly appreciated of your vids on youtube... you do a wonderful job, and I am very thankful for your informative vids... I am interested in doing some (maybe a little bit unorthodox mods to this 70mm thunderbird that was a gift from my mother for last xmas... (she wanted to do something nice for me as I have always been OBSESSED with absolutely everything about the F-16... I love its instability per design, and she surprised me with this plane). Her health is deteriorating and am blessed to have been lucky enough to recieve this gift from my dear mother... (I figure you might appreciate that)....Ive been speaking with a few fellow hobby enthusiasts that are well known, and speak very highly of you...
I am interested in doing the "Ali" mod for 8s and the flapperon mod....
If at all possible, do you think that you might be able to either make a vid with alternative options to modding the flapperons with an 8ch rx in order to keep as3x on both wings with basically the same thing as "Ali" did with his flapperon/elevator mix with his 8s upgrade.(or at least, please help me out)
I used to fly planes when I was alot younger and just within the past 2 1/2 years, I have become active in the hobby...
I can fly.... no problem... The issue that is at hand is I am new to the technology that is available now-a-days....
I have had help from some wonderful people that make alot of spektrum tx vids that is from the mid part of the U.S.A.....(I just dont wanna name-drop).... but im sure you know who Im refering to....
Again, I thank you a whole bunch for your informative vids that have helped me tremendously...
Thank you, and the "camera crew" alot....
Sincerely, Todd
I don't have a video for what you want EXACTLY, but I do have many, MANY videos showing installing a 6 channel Rx for Flapperons, which is all you would need, btw....
AR630 bit.ly/3lh5iqD
@@BrianPhillipsRC Thank you sooo much for the input and advice.... yes I have looked at a few other f 16's also.... dont cut yourself short either as a pilot there man..... I think you guys do pretty good.... thanks again....
Todd
Yes! I knew you would do this
Hope you enjoy the footage ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC did you get that vario working on the conscendo? that was the only thing that didnt work, besides that, its a dream power glider
Hey Brian, great first shot at the flaperons on your t-bird f16... How do you feel about adding an air brake servo/switch activated pop-up panel just behind your hatch, and using an interior panel cover to keep drag and wires protected if you activate it at landing for getting the f16 to slow it down when the wheels touch down and prevent running out of druveway room....
Have you seen my Brakes video yet??? You might want to check it out ;)
Hey Brian, not yet I will though... Your f-16 is really great... I thought maybe a rear pop up air break would add more scale... Looks good with the flaperons, hope they work out....
Hey Brain yes I do remember now the plastic drag panels underneath on the rear landing gear struts.... I was thinking more so a pop up rectangular panel up top for more stopping distance but the jet/plane is great keep up the content....
So I purchased the Avian 1080esc, I should be able to hook up reverse thrust now correct?
You should...but since it's a BNF you will need this tool to set up the AVIAN and then just assign a channel you wan to make the setup work - Avian ESC Programmer bit.ly/3PFWmZY
I'm not 100% sure if the AVIAN ESC programming screen shows up on planes when you ADD the Avian ESC....but I KNOW that you can use the programming tool to set one up and then make the assignment, provided you're using a compatible SMART Rx.
Hey brain. I wanted to share my flaperons experience on the clipped wing cub 1.2m. I also got mine to work using channel 6 and flaperons setting on transmitter. Ch6 would not respond to as3x or safe. I decided to go in the ar636A with the program cable couldn’t change wing type to flaperons. In the process killed ch 5 and 6. They will not run a servo anymore. The bind n fly receivers don’t seem to like getting messed with I’m finding out. :(
yeah, I think the only way to do it is the revert the firmware back to PRE-SAFE level, then you can setup flapperons with the click of a box...only issue, I'm not 100% sure you CAN do it with all AR636B's....
Brian Phillips I didn’t see the value in a pnp vs bnf being usually a $20 difference. Now that it seems the receivers in bnf are locked or prioritized to that plane I can see why a bnf might interest some. Unfortunately I don’t think I can get my ch 6 back. I was so close. May get a lemon rx. Thanks for your good content.
Hey Brian, wanted to put flaperons on my E-flite 70mm F-16. I called Horizon & the tech told me that if I wanted AS3X on the ailerons I could not used channel 6 on the receiver. That only channels 2, 3 & 4 had AS3X control. Is this correct?? If so, why would they give you the option to have individual servos for each aileron if the AR636 receiver does not support AS3X on channel 6 & no where in the manual do they say that AS3X is not supported on channel 6? I really appreciate any support that you can give on this as I want to have flaperons on my 70mm F-16. I fly off a grass runway & right now it takes forever for my F-16 to take of without flaps. (Brian, I put this message on your 80mm F-16 & then found this review. Thanks for any clarification you can help me with on this! Ron)
We will be RE-Reviewing this F-16 70mm soon, and I can go over these Flapperon choices, since this is the old 70mm with AR636B...now it's equipped differently.
Thanks Brian, in this post you added flaperons using the older AR636B receiver. When you did were you able to confirm whether the AS3X worked on both channels 2 & 6?? Or was the AS3X only working on channel 2 ??? Thanks
Hi Brian, Can you tell me if AS3X capability is present on channel 6 on the AR363 Spektrum receiver. Thanks
His public demanded it and Brian delivered!
I gotta do it!!!
ADDED SERVO CABLE W/O CUTTING AILERON CABLE: I was able to "fish" thru a new 12" servo cable thru the hull my F-16 airplane from the receiver/cockpit area to the wing/aileron opening and connect it to the wing.
STEPS:c1st I had to cut out the ASX receiver out and velco'd back when done. ( I used X-acto knife to cut underneath the white glue). This also makes it so much easier to connect servos to receiver since it is so tight as originally installed/glued down and I could move battery back another 1/2" to help with CG.
Then I made small hole in the wall where the original Y aileron servo wire goes from the wing in the airplane cavity. I made a hole in the wing body by using dental picks and a small X-acto knifes in the wall to in order ro make ready to "grab" new servo wire thru. NOTE: The servo wires for the Y ailerons can be pulled/moved a little bit back and forth with a little tugging etc (I watched that Brian had a tough time trying to "free' up the Y -aileron servo wires but they can be freed) Once the original Y-servos are freed/loose they make room for the "cavity".
NOTE : You will be taking a different path thru the airplane body then the original servo line since the original servo line seems to go down 1st and then to the receiver. I followed the same path as the gear servo lines (Brian noted that he could see the gear servo lines from the aileron wind opening in his video)
From the cockpit area, I ran a string by 1st by attaching it to the tip of a wood skewer (large toothpick!) and pushing the skewer tip from the receiver/cockpit area down the interior channel of the plane. (I darken the room and had a flashlight shine thru the wing/aileron opening to guide me). Once the tip of the skewer with the string attached was visible in the aileron/wind opening that I made, I used a long needle nose grasp tool (like Brian has in video) to grab the string and pull thru the aileron opening. I then tied the new 12" servo wire to the other end of string and continued to pull the string/servo thu the plane/hull channel (pretty open, not so bad or tight) and out thru/to the aileron to then connect to wing and connected.
This all took about 1hr.
NOTE: The original Y aileron connector can be tucked into the opening.
The you can then program the new aileron like Brian does it the video. (Thanks again Brian!!)
***As Always Brian, love your professionally done videos and your insight/knowledge is well appreciated.
Thanks Scott ;) Did you end up setting up the Flapperons? I abandoned them - LOL!!!
@@BrianPhillipsRC Hey Brian, I did install them and the operate well. Took some playing around with the setting but got them to work like Inwanted... I don't notice a huge difference when landing ....but I need all the help I can get...Your skills of landing it on your driveway are truly impressive and someone of your expertice wouldn't really need them..(but I do) Keep those awesome videos coming as they are all very well done and extremely helpful....
What about tailerons, and use the wing ailerons for 100% flap usage?
This is not a bad idea, EXCEPT these are NOT full functioning Tailevons, so you might be starved for roll input...
Either way, the Air Break mod I made in the next video works GREAT, and WAY easier solution ;)
Hey Brian, I saw the list of compatible transmitters but didnt see the SPEKTRUM DX6i. Any chance this model would work for this plane? Thanks
It should... I don't know why it wouldn't. They don't list a Jumper T8SG either, but it'll work ;) JK...If there's some issue, I couldn't explain it.
Hey Brian, I just happened to catch a glimpse of your plate on your truck and noticed you live in Dallas Co. Small world, I happen to be not far up the road from you in Ogden.
Anyway, thanks for the reply. I just received my F-16 Thunderbird today from Horizon Hobbies......SWEET! I ended up also picking up a DX6e which I did see was in the list so I'll have her up and flying by Thursday. I must admit I'm a bit nervous considering how fast this looks. I may need to slow it down a bit till I get the feel for it.
No dude that was a terrific 👏 landing. Great job
Lool plopping.
I bought my first f-16 70mm from horizon.
Customer definitely don't seem to be top priority. Instead of bind plug which don't work. Why not use Y extension?
I have no idea how to read sarcasm [in text]...so I don't understand what you mean...
You have a difficult time reading sarcasm. Probably because there was none.
Don't know where your going with that. Maybe don't beat yourself up so much.
Idk..so if I have a taranis this video can't help me in this situation? Or I'd have to by your type of controller?
So I have a spare ar6600t reciever, could I hook up reverse thrust with that installed and could I still have safe?
Compressed list...
Horizon Hobby Spektrum Rx
Without AS3X/SAFE...
AR410 bit.ly/3z5hT75
AR620 bit.ly/3z7WDO0
AR6610T bit.ly/3z37ysk
I did mistype .I have an ar637ta will that do?
Ok, I have a dx8g2. I have an Avian esc, what reciever should I buy to do forward programming with the dx8g2
Hey Brian! Have you tried using 5000mah on this F-16?
I doubt you could fit it in there! She's a tight squeeze at 4000mAh, but to be honest, it's been a while since I flew the 70mm...so my memory doesn't serve well at the moment.
@@BrianPhillipsRC thanks :)
awesome video person, i know it is not ez cuz i used to film my son flying his edf.
Megan, my wife, and camera crew does a wonderful job!!! We're so lucky to have her at the reins ;)
What would I need to do to setup flaperons on my Habu SS?
It's a totally different beast. I'd start by watching my F-16 80mm - Way closer analog to what you're trying to do.
Then if you want to do it, you can start by DEFAULTING The Rx, then just setup the plane from scratch, OR you'll lose one aileron worth of AS3X and SAFE (if you're using them).
Good luck! Totally doable, but I would WAY more encourage inboard flaps. They would be super easy to install, and almost no work (comparably) to flapperons, and they would be 3-4 times more effective.
Funny I have that jet to build yet!. Still in the box
It's really cool! You'll love it!
@@BrianPhillipsRC cool thanks
Same here . Flying the f 15 fun easy . Figuring it's training for the Thunderbird .
What would I need to do to setup flapwrons on my Habu
just answered your comment on the other one ;)
The first method of programming was a headphone cable from a smart phone with an app. The current is either bluetooth or USB cable using an app from phone or program on PC. Does NOT support Mac.
yes, and it's thankfully been replaced with Forward Programming via radios - so much better, and yet still a huge pain in the butt ;)
I have the same config on my freewing f-16, the e-flite f-16 looks to be quicker, I have yet to land on full flaps on mine slows down too much I almost stalled it, next one twin SU-30? :-)
I would like that plane a lot!
Will as3x work with flaperons?
This is from the V1 F-16, so no, without reprogramming the Rx.
With the V2, you can setup flapperons much more easily with AS3X and SAFE, if you wish. The AR631 is WAY easier to program from scratch, but you have to factory default the Rx before you can change it from the BNF that's loaded in it from the factory...if you got it as a BNF (vs PNP without Rx)
That sounds and looks like the real deal.... Have you done a radar Speed gun on that thing.. HAVE YOU DONE A....... POWER DIVE...
Brian
London
I thought I did ;)
Hi Brian and All, I am looking for a little help in repairing my nose wheel on my F-16 as i bent it a little bit on a hard landing. While I see there is a replacement pin (Retract Strut Pins: F-16 70mm EDF Part # EFL7822) for this, I have tried to remove the original strut/pin out but to no avail. (It is wedged in good) Does anyone know of a video or other instructions I could review/refer to for help and guidance. THANKS FOR LOOKING..
Scott - I'd be lying if I said you'll have an easy time taking those parts apart from one another... You will have to get creative!!! I know from experience, you may have to drill it and thread a screw into it to pull it out. It's a pain, as those aluminum pieces will get practically welded together.
As for a video, I haven't heard of anything like that. Sorry Scott!
Why not do elevons like the real deal?
Roll authority is good stock, and where the Y cable splits makes a big difference for me ;) If it were up front, that would be pretty easy, but since it's not, it's just a lot more work. To all their own. I think it would be a worthy effort, if you wanted to give it a shot.
Awesome
Thanks!
How much expo do you fun your ailerons?
My brother.... my f16 is awesome...
I am inclined to get another v1....
Ill just "freewing" it....on v1.2.2
But... in my opinion... flapperons are cool...
I know you.... and you want the moon....lol... me too...lol
Make a f 16 70mm vid and run 8s....
Please make a vid....
8S would be very cool, but if I'm doing 8S, it's gonna be in the 80mm F-16!!!!!
I’m on it. I just continued to land this EDF like crap. I think at least once I flipped to SAFE on approach to see if it would help and it was still less than stellar. (Carrier Landing style, nothing smooth and gradual)
The choice is easy- Make the Flaperon mod, or pay $50.00 for the front landing gear pin after every crummy/hard landing.
Thanks for putting this together. I would’ve never attempted it without this video.
Awesome!
I love ur vids keep them going bro
Will do! Thanks :)
I am trying to count how many times you say Expo during these programs. Just having a little fun. Where is your mike? You guys have a great day. Why do you say Vampire killing zone?
I think this was filmed JUST before we got the lapel mics.
That's were a huge tree jumped out of nowhere and ate my Vampire ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC it sounds like the title of a heavy metal song. vam py yah killin zoooone ahhhhh ;-D
You need to cut those wires and poles, and maybe some trees, for a better approach to your landing strip. ;-)
lol
Very long and in-depth video guys.Great job🍻🐔
I'm glad to get you back to normal!!! Should I send you the cable TV bill? LOL!!!
Yaaaaay what I wished for lol
you're welcome ;)
As many variety of aircraft as you fly you’re still struggling with a slow flight. People often don’t like slow flight not because it’s boring but because it’s hard but not impossible to master.
I fly slow too....not sure how you're missing it. Maybe not much with this plane, but I almost always fly slow; how else do you think we stay in frame.
I wish we was best friends.
We can be RUclips friends ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC thanks Brian you seem like an awesome guy.... hey I just got my first rc plane the WL toys f949s
Super excited to go on its Maiden flight maybe tomorrow I would like to try tonight but we're losing light fast its 5:40 here in Upstate New York I'll probably have to wait until tomorrow I have to figure out what these sticks do anyway LOL maybe I'll have the old lady take a video to show you how everything worked out.
You’re really strugglin on slowing that thing down I got some tips for you to slow it down with no flaperons or anything like that
I'm sure you do ;)
Brian Phillips here one tip cut your throttle and keep applying elev to hold the nose level then the tail will fall by it self and the nose will come up then control your assent/decent with throttle
Brian Phillips seriously if you land it like that you will never overrun
Gavstreet 13 yep high alpha landings are the way with this plane. A couple guys at my field can hardly get it on the ground when they come in fast because it has so much unnecessary lift. However when the bring it in nose high they’re only going about 15mph and have it stopped within 50 feet.
Whew, all that and still too fast to land on the strip. Screw it, go use the street.
you'll see ;) LOL
Does SAFE still work with the flaperons?
Not on this plane. If you want SAFE, you will be on the NEW firmware, if you want FLAPPERONS, you will be on OLD FIRMWARE. Annoying, as annoying gets, but it is possible to have either or...I think on the AR637T you can do BOTH, simultaneously...but don't hold me to that..it's a preliminary educated guess.
I found the Air brakes to work better than the flapperons anyway! ;)
Brian Phillips Thanks Brian. I’m new to RC airplanes so this one is still in the box until I’m comfortable taking the training wheels off the EDFs.
@@BrianPhillipsRC Hey Brian.. great vid's btw. I have been down the same journey as you regarding F16 and no flaps. Removed Y lead from Ailerons and wired direct to LH & RH ailerons channel 2 and 6. But no AS3X on channel 6. grrr... considered buying a HH programming cable to re-programme the AR636 receiver.. but rather nervous about changing the stock set up on the receiver!
So focused on landing approach setup. Had to replace soft material retracts 3mm pins (on all 3 retracts) with 4mm piano wire which really strengthened the retracts, but if you get set up on finals in ‘high alpha mode’ you can really slow the F16 down. The battery has to be all the way back to the receiver (I use a 2 x 3S 4000 Roaring Top wired with series cable - get 5 mins flight time) which really suits this plane and now I can ‘high alpha’ this F16 onto the run way with rear wheels touching first. Getting the speed right on approach is critical. If you cannot see the underside of the F16 on approach your coming in too fast. Mastering the ‘high alpha’ removes the needs for flaps (and yes Brian I love flaps too 😊). Afterburner fitted after your Gooniac video too = awesome!
But it has been good to join you on your F16 journey. What an EDF.. love it! Thanks Brian.