There's a little known movie called "The Cake Eaters", which was written and directed by Mary Stuart Masterson (of 80s movie brat pack fame, believe it or not.) It's an absolutely beautiful film, with all the real world relationship dynamics that these movies take on, with some others thrown in as well. It's such a great movie and it gets very little attention.
Dinner in America. You need to steel yourself, because this is a movie that does everything it can to turn you off during the first 15 minutes or so. You have to persist. I promise you it pays off. It presents you with The Worst Man Alive, convinces you that he is nothing but danger for any woman that gets close to him, and then puts a new woman in his path who seems to be especially defenceless. The film then gradually shows you that you've underestimated her, and then the story changes him, until by the end you're rooting for both of them. It's a really unusual film: not totally unprecedented, but a style of movie that hasn't been made very often since mid-90s/early 00s period when this film would have fit right in.
Ethan Hawke summarized this whole trilogy perfectly: Before Sunrise shows us 'what could be', Before Sunset' shows us 'what could have been', Before Midnight shows us 'what is.'
I’m of the same generation as the actors, and so I saw these three movies when they came out, at the age the characters were in, respectively. And I have to say I have never seen another movie come close in terms of realism. I believe the reason these characters are so deeply beloved is that they are so damn real. We feel like they are actual people we actually know. It is testament to the writing of team Linklater, Delpy and Hawke - and the acting of course, which was meticulously rehearsed before each shooting, down to every pause, sigh and gesture. Incredible, incredible work by true artists.
I think that this movie is easier to relate to when you've been in long term relationships where lives merge and stakes get bigger and baggage builds up. These fights happen and they especially happen if you really love each other. I think they're in a toxic place but the love between them is palpable in this film too, and the potential they have to get through this is very high because of that love. I think until you've been there and seen how you hit fights like this. Bad bad fights where you seem to be ready to not just leave but burn it all down. And you absolutely can get through to these. Probably anyone who's managed a relationship that spans decades has been through these make or break you transitional periods. And that's what this is. That's the ambiguity in the end, whether they've fought their way back to each other or not. Personally I think there's every reason to believe they took a huge first step. This also is showing them in one day, a day where Jesse dropped his son off at the airport and then dropped moving to Chicago hints in the first scene. It's a day a big fight was brewing.
This is very true. In your everyday life you just can't always bring every little thing to the table and discuss it with emotional intelligence. So you just leave it be and throw it on the pile that says 'tiny things that don't matter anyway'. And then when you do have a weak moment and several things go wrong at the same time and all of your rational emotional intelligence is not present, then all these unresolved things come back. We have these fights 1-2 times a year. We used to come up with these ideas on how to avoid this scenario but in the end it still continued to happen. Now we've accepted that this is how it goes (at least for us), apologize, lick our wounds, remember that it's all OK, and leave the fight behind us. At some point you feel more hurt about what you said to your partner and how you made them feel in that moment anyway.
I don't think the girls were necessarily disagreeing with that. Of course fights happen. What they were cringing at was how these two were airing their dirty laundry in public and amongst their own friend group. It absolutely makes sense that two people who've experienced so much together would start to have issues down the road, but it isn't exactly hard to doubt that two people who are emotionally well adjusted enough would still be able to keep this behind closed doors, maybe only getting off one or two subtle jabs in public in the form of snarky jokes others would only laugh at. What happened in the movie during the dinner scene was way beyond that, and I think the girls were right to say that that just isn't normal. As the girls themselves said at the end of their reaction for Before Sunset, yeah, they may be in their twenties still, but they get it.
@@sarahnadeofpoetry This is one day. One dinner. If you've never done anything toxic in a relationship then congratulations, but I think this movie might be more honest than you are. Maybe that particular toxic isn't your brand, and while the scene you described is something you would "never do" then something you've done or said is something I would "never do" but we've all made toxic mistakes in relationships. And I never thought the women in this video were saying that fights don't happen 🤔 Everyone knows fights happen. Some people are naive about what the bad fights can look like.
@@ceceliam9014 Like I said, it's not about never being toxic, it's about not being toxic in this one particular way. You're right, it isn't my brand, but that's also because it isn't something that's going to happen in every kind of relationship. As I said before, it's the difference between fighting behind closed doors and just letting it all spill out to drench other people, too. I meant that your original post seemed to imply that because Hayley and Stella are younger, they might not 'get it', as in, this particular sort of fighting. I was just saying that even if they haven't exactly lived it, that basic human understanding of fighting and at least partial civility is one we all can understand.
@@sarahnadeofpoetry When I was in my early 20s, I most definitely would not have understood what fights can look like and still be expressions of trying to make love work. Not until I'd been in a relationship that lasted for a long time, merged finances, merged important life decisions, etc. Throw kids in the mix it's even more intense. It's not about age, but it absolutely is about experience... And that can relate to age. Sure we can all conceptually "understand" how to argue "properly", but if you haven't had experiences with high stakes like this then you don't actually understand it yet. And I think the reactors had some judgments on the characters that comes with inexperience.
Watch this movie again after you've been married a while. It hits differently. The part at the end where they can't stand each other, argue, say hurtful things. After you both let it all out, you kiss and make up and go back to normal. It's because you both formed a strong bond with each other over the years. You can see Celine attempt to grab her bag and leave, but she instantly realizes she actually doesn't want to. It's the bond that keeps a relationship going.
Brilliant thing about these movies (and you touched on it in your commentary): You guys sound like Jesse and Celine in Before Sunrise. They meet because of the arguing couple on the train, unable to understand how the arguing couple came to be that way. In Before Midnight they become that arguing couple. You should re-visit these films every decade.
Both reactors are in their early 20s I assume so I can understand why they wouldn't want to watch this particular movie in the series again for a long long time. It's sort of a peek into what people in their 40s are feeling and going through. The first movie was the two in their 20s enjoying the freedoms of young adulthood and the excitement of what the future would hold. The second movie was the two in their 30s coming back together and realizing that what they decided to do wasn't working and wanted an answer to their 'what if' question. This third movie was the two in their 40s realizing that the answer to their 'what if' question wasn't what they had hoped for and have regrets/resentment toward one another.
There are plenty of people in their 20's being utterly captivated by these films, myself inculded. I just think these two are emotionally immature and don't quite get it. Everything being "weird" or "duuuude wtf did they just say??" Found these reactions boring which is a shame because reaction videos to the Before Trilogy are criminally few and far between. I wanted to feel the magic of watching these films for the first time again, instead I found myself often frustrated and annoyed by the immature opinions of the two girls.
@@thegael791 How in the hell is that narcissism? They weren't even defending themselves; they were defending the reactors. That is not narcissism. They're right to say that you're emotionally immature. You didn't go into this with an open mind, you literally stated that you just wanted to live vicariously through these first-time watchers. Of course you were going to get frustrated. But instead of owning up to it, you rudely disparage the reactors instead, as if it's their fault for being individuals with their own perspectives. And then you go after @GojoDKai ten times harder than they did you. If you can't see the problem there, then oh well. Hope you grow up some more, there's plenty of time for that at least.
"Before Midnight" is the one that should be rewatched, I think, to understand it fully. First time I watched it I felt very similar. I needed the second watching to fully understand what was said and why and what was held back. But I do not think Celine and Jessy grew apart. Fights happen and I understand this movie's message as going through the worst of them and still wanting to be together, even when you can't resolve certain things, you learn to forgive.
As you grow older you will find that these kinds of conversations are realistic. There is love resentment, fear, compassion, and anger in many conversations at the same time.
Me, a 15-year-old who completely loves this trilogy and this last movie for that... I mean, if I watched the third movie by itself, I wouldn't really like it all that much, it'd be a mid-tier level movie for me personally. But since I watched it in order, slowly grew attached to these characters like they would've, and the last scene in the third movie just REALLY hit hard, the third movie might be my favorite in the trilogy, and they all hold spots in my top 5 favorite romance movies. And maybe the reason I can grasp on to what you're saying at such a young age is that I had a 1.5 year long relationship that sadly ended like a year ago after she broke up with me. And while I can't fully relate to the severity of the scenes in the 3 movies, I've definitely experienced all the scenes to some degree even if it was minor, but large enough to really hit hard for me. And also my parents act like it all the time so I kinda have to live with it...
The trilogy is so rooted in reality and the writing & acting is superb. The first movie shows the romantic ideal. The second movie poses the question of what could have been and what might be. The final film shows how difficult romance can be when faced with the harsh realities of life (finances, children, exes, etc). As a whole, the trilogy is a masterpiece. If you two haven’t seen Boyhood, you should watch it. Another sweeping piece by Richard Linklater. While it’s not as good as these films, it’s still a genuine work of art.
Looking at their relationship from Jesse's perspective juxtaposed to Jesse's previous relationship with his ex(the way he described it in Before Sunset), is interesting. Jesse described the relationship with his ex as a loveless marriage, his life all bad all the time, a bad environment for his boy, etc. You could tell he had completely given up on his relationship, he had no interest or passion toward it. Now compare that to him and Celine. Yes, they're dysfunctional, yes they fight. But Jesse genuinely cares about this relationship unlike the last one. They aren't perfect, but you can tell, if nothing else, Jesse has deep and genuine love for Celine.
Exactly. And I think that speech at the end that he delivered (Which completely saved the movie for me, made it a mid-movie to one of my all-time favorites), really hit hard for me and Celine. So I think they're going to be okay. Especially if they can work through the problems level-headed which I hope they can do since I think that last speech would really flip their thinking in a lot of ways. Which kinda annoyed me that the reactors weren't seeing it that way (Or at least what I watched of their final reaction), but oh well.
@@ScottLee-xw8vm i feel the same way at the end i felt optimistic that they will figure out a way eventually meanwhile these reactors throughout the film were reacting too bitter about every conversation they had and at the end they labeled this as a failing relationship...i am happy am not the only one thinking that way abt these reactors
I strongly suspect this may just be a GenX vs GenZ conflict here. I noticed even in the first movie the blunt, self aware and introspective conversations took them by surprise. And also discomforted them a little bit. So I think they're taking some of the discussions as being more malicious than they really are. This is just the way people of a certain age and a certain generation talk.
Nah, Gen Z are pretty darn self-aware. Hell, every little personal quirk is a meme. We’re quite forward with our flaws. Almost to the point of laughing everything off as a given instead of a problem.
The thing is though that laughing at something or memeing it are attempts at deflection and self deprecation These characters arent doing that. Theyre being completely sincere when they talk.
@@jamk2668 true like why were they feeling weird about a couple having an argument when they are half naked like wtf?? that's how comfortable couples get around each other after living even more than 5+yrs but these couple have been together for almost 20 yrs so it's not weird at all
The actors and director have said that at the beginning of the first film, Celine and Jesse watch a middle aged couple fighting on the train. By the end of the last film, they have become that couple.
As a couple, its hard and frightening, but people should make the effort to adress problems when they show up, and not hiding them. They will come up later, bigger and packed with resentment.
The character arcs and the way the three movies tie in with each other are such an interesting look into how baggage changes our outlook on life. Celine in Before Sunrise is asked if she believes in reincarnation and she says yes, but in Before Sunset when again asked if she believes in reincarnation she says no (we gradually find out that she has grown to be more cynical in Sunset and Midnight because of that night in Vienna). Meanwhile Jesse in Before Sunrise is asked on the tram during the Q&A if he'd ever been in love and he says "Yes. Next question", but in Before Midnight he claims Celine was his first love. It's that subtlety which puts this trilogy in a league of its own. When the palm reader in Before Sunrise tells Celine "You'll be alright, he's learning" I always took that as she was letting her know that Jesse was learning to be less cynical. Celine was rubbing off on him and was the right person for him. Before Midnight shows them moving past the fight, just like the couple on the train did. The trilogy ends as it began.
I want to remain hopeful that the end of this film was not the end of their story. One of the last things Jesse says is he’s seen their future. What if the next film is the two of them as grandparents. They stuck it out together and didn’t walk away. The story would be about their enduring love for one another through all the ups and downs that life throws at us.
But not in public. That was literally their one big issue with it. And I really don't see either of them doing what either of these characters did in that dinner scene.
@@dexter2178 except that one part where she gets defensive and says it out loud the rest of the 90% conversation was pretty fun and light hearted so yea it was not really a public tantrum but i hated how these reactors always had something to feel bitter about like the way celine was doing this smitten women impression i thought it was adorable meanwhile these reactors hated to be there and probably even the entire convo
The girls should totally carry on - with a new channel if not on this one - and should totally, totally react to the 1951 drama, A Streetcar Named Desire. Stella knows why 😉
The best thing about the hotel argument is they are both so pretentious in their speech and education. The insults they throw at each other are so much better than regular people
Your constant surprise and sentiments of "They're never coming back from this" or the implication something is out of the ordinary is cute. Sorry, but this is how life is and not as academic as you believe. And society is not "past" fathers having reluctance about not teaching their sons masculine traits (throwing a ball, throwing a punch, learning how to work hard, knowing how to treat a woman, knowing how to provide and protect), that's very normal outside your bubble. It's a big world out there! Nice work on your content.
I like that at the end he uses the time traveler thing, since it sotra loops back since that's the thing he did on the train to convince her to get off with him.
The dinner scene conversation is so lovely. Love listening to Xenia Kalogeropoulou - whom Ethan Hawke refers to as Greek Audrey Hepburn. Great reaction guys
Nobu is actually going to be doing the White Noise Anime Reacts channel as for Stella & Hayley, well it’s hard to say if they, mostly Stella, will run the White Noise Reacts channel together as Stella recently open a Ko-Fi account and looks to be moving on from White Noise Reacts to either do solo reactions or continue having Hayley involved as one of her co-reactors.
@@pat_jones36But again, it seems with Stella setting up a Ko-Fi account and saying "formerly from White Noise Reacts" it looks like she’s moving on from them, but wether she continues to do collabs with Hayley or just doing reactions by herself is the million dollar question.
What a fascinating reaction to this movie. Jesse and Celine's interactions are what a relationship is when people are honest about their thoughts and feelings. And if they share them as they're happening this is what happens. It's raw, difficult, and often painful... But in this case always real. And at the end, they reconnect. Like the old man said at the lunch table: they remain two different people. And that's the beauty of it, they don't numb who they are to appease or be pleasant, both are immensely themselves. And they find their way back. It's not happily ever after with it's fake fantasy joy. It's actual love between two "real" individuals, before, during, and after a fight. And yet, all through the film both of you just saw it as ugly and wrong. It was very irritating and at the same incredibly interesting... So, sincerely, thank you very much! I was very annoyed but also very engaged by a different point of view. It was worth watching.
Please girls no offense but you two will understand this film a lot more when you rewatch it in a few years when you are older or when you are around the age of the characters in the film. The first time I watched this movie I didn't like it much. Now rewatching almost 15 years ago I totally understand it (and makes me sad) and I like it very much now. Unfortunately (for better or worse) this is how many couples deal with their marriage. Its to see how far or when a person is willing to love and be disappointed without giving up on them
The beauty of this series: When I was 20, Before Sunrise was my favorite. When I was around 30, I connected to Before Sunset the most. Now I'm 41 and I appreciate Before Midnight the most.
BOYHOOD is a fantastic movie with Ethan Hawke that follows a very similar formula. Filmed over 12 years, following the childhood of a young boy into adulthood, and the journey of his family. Ethan Hawke plays the dad. Also directed by Richard Linklater, like this trilogy. You guys gotta check that out if you have room for one more reaction. Absolutely beautiful film.
The most interesting part of these reactions is I'm wondering if there's a generational shift in the way couples communicate or if these two are too young and naive to know that despite, what they know about healthy communication and conflict resolution, it is much harder to put into practice in real life.
So much of what gets people to this point is stress and pressure, and the feeling that you are trapped. Even if the people you are trapped with are people you care about deeply, you feel trapped. We are like atoms, the more you try to constrain us, the more violently we bounce off the walls. And of course, in the modern world of the exploding atomic family (see what I did there?), that pressure and stress becomes even more complex. And it's not just couples. You get the same dynamic with any group of people who are forced by circumstance to live in each other's pockets for long periods of time. Bands notoriously break up due to exactly the same dynamic. The pressure of being 'stuck' in a situation where the stakes are considerable, it causes people to start redirecting their frustration in some other available direction. And usually a lot of passive-aggressive issues because a lot of people aren't comfortable with direct conflict.
By the end of the movie, you didn't _like_ either of them, but what about love? I honestly loved Celine and Jesse _more_ in this movie, knowing how the encroaching years drop their layers of sediment on all of us, and however much we try, however creative our dreams, however planned our hoped-for futures, the march of time can leave us jaded or hurt beyond words sometimes. Ideal solutions and happy endings are generally for poorly told stories. We can never understand this in our twenties. It's literally impossible. Only life, with its endless tides, can even begin to teach it. And though it's a painful lesson, it's not the end; we can learn to love despite these awful collisions and abrasions. Love isn't all encompassing. Love is acceptance. Love can be mundane. And love is behaviour.
Exactly. It's a hard truth but I think if people can get beyond the fact that it's difficult, they'd agree with it as well. The third movie was actually probably my favorite of the 3 (All of which are probably in my top 5 romance movies), the ending especially cemented it as my favorite. And while I was watching it I probably didn't think it was my favorite, might've even been thinking it could possibly ruin it for me, but after taking a moment to reflect on all the movies after the ending, it really hit hard for me. And this might come as a shocker, but I'm only 15 lol. But maybe I can connect to this type of thing on a deeper level because I was in a relationship for 1.5 years that she ended a year ago (But on mostly still good terms), and I'm usually level-headed enough that my parents even ask for advice during their fights because they can't see it half the time 💀
@@ScottLee-xw8vm cool to know that 15 yo has a better understanding than these reactors in their 20's...i am a 20yo trying my best to look at things more optimistically and try to find solutions with level headedness and learn a lot of those watching movies like these
Hey Stella and Hayley 😊 whats up? Happy New Year! I love the Little House on the prarie look Stella has going on! I hope you two create a channel in the future! You'd rock! 😃👍🏼
I wish I had seen this film when I was a teenager. Growing up, my parents almost never fought, which is great, but it meant that I never learned that you could have a fight in a relationship and still continue after the fight. Consequently, every fight in a relationship always feels like the end to me. If I had seen this film as an example of a bad fight that allows the relationship to continue, I think I would have learned a lot much earlier in life.
Celine is cynical because she knows that she's the other woman which isn't a nice place to be. It doesn't matter that Jesse was unhappy in his marriage and really wanted to be with her. Even if he had divorced his wife first before they got together, the fact is that he left his marriage because he was still in love with her. If he had never met her again he probably would have stayed in this toxic relationship until his son was old enough to understand the situation and then leave. But because they chose to do what they did, Celine will FOREVER be the 'homewrecker' in her own eyes and I'm sure she feels others who know their story closely and exactly how it all went down think the same too. She's resentful of the situation and her position in this dynamic. Which is why every time he talks about how he feels about not being able to be there for his son, she takes it personally because it is personal for her! He literally chose being with her, making a family with her over being present in his son's life. It was a choice they both made to be together but it doesn't seem to be something she has come to terms with yet. Neither of them. They both have guilt over their choices and it's causing them to be resentful towards each other. I actually love this ending to the trilogy because of how it really addressed how a beautiful love story from the first movie can just spiral out of control when you get into the nitty gritty of REAL life.
Yall completely ruined the movie for yourselves by trying to analyze their arguments and taking sides. The point is to show the reality of middle-age marriage condensed into this one night. They move on from their potentially marriage-ending argument with something silly like a hypothetical time machine because, like Jesse says: "This is real life. It's not perfect, but it's real." And this shows that Jesse and Celine are truly in love.
This one is a sad one. It’s like the dissolution of a marriage maybe. I was hoping that 2022 would bring the fourth part but they already confirmed it would’ve happened if it was happening. Sad all around that they broke the nine year between movies streak-1995, 2004, and 2013. Another interesting thing about this one is that Linklater, Hawke, and Delpy are all credited as writers for this one because they all had a hand in shaping the direction of the story and the characters. This was a conscious choice by all three of them to not go with the typical happily ever after ending for a couple that seemed so smitten with one another in the first two films. It certainly is a brave choice and a brutally honest one.
The first movie is the fairytale ideal, second is how that fairytale ideal FEELS and the final is what happens when you try to make the fairytale ideal work in real life.
Doubtful... I think they'll encounter some of these pitfalls themselves. Maybe not as bad, but I think never compromising is just as bad as always compromising.
It's the beauty of youth. This movie made me intensely uncomfortable when it came out. Rewatching now, with the benefit of an additional decade of life experience, it's more relatable and I actually find the ending more optimistic than I did originally.
@@citydweller99 This assumes that the game is to attach yourself to someone until death, and that if you don't do it for whatever reason then you've lost the game. A lot of people would be happier and more fulfilled investing in their friendships and looking at living with friends as the more natural cohabitation.
The scene to understand the film, and the entire trilogy, is the dinner scene. When the old woman talks about the sunrise or sunset that disappears. These three days that we observe as spectators in the WHOLE lives of these people are unique, almost unreal. In the first film, both characters are stunned by the experience of connecting so deeply when you least expect it. In the second film, the shock is due to the possibility of that second meeting and a new opportunity. Both films show that singularity, in an idyllic and romantic way. Let's remember that it is only a day (and a few hours) that we see them, we don't really know them, we know what they say about themselves. The problem with the third film is that the day recounted is not unique because they have not seen each other, but because they no longer have time to relive that idyllic dream again in their common life. The honesty of both (and therefore, their connection) in the previous films came from recounting other people's sorrows, the problem of being married is that now they themselves are included in them. It is obvious to think, then, that this day where they attack each other is not the rule, but an exception, an honest exception, but also devastating. Once midnight passes, this unique and special day will also disappear. They are going to go back to what they were before. I don't agree with the narrative that this trilogy is "realistic", as many others say. After all, it recounts exceptional days of ordinary people. I think it is coherent, coherent with this relationship in which they are trapped, that of being themselves (with all the bad that that means). I would also like to mention that I really like Celine in this movie, it is the movie where she is most neurotic, yes, but also more imperfect, more real.
Also, I just want to say that fundamental differences in belief or dreams aren’t a guaranteed doom for relationships. It is 100% possible to be in an amazing, loving, fulfilling, endlessly happy marriage with someone whom you have fundamental disagreements with. It happens all the time. It’s all about communication, and yes, compromise. Relationships all require compromise. But when it’s never ending and never communicated how much certain compromises hurt, that’s when things start becoming damaging.
I aged with these films and always related at the time, but watching people react to this it changes with age for sure. What I feel from each is totally different now than when I saw them in real time. Awesome reactions.
What you're seeing in this film is not their daily life; it's a crisis point. The whole issue is that Ethan Hawke feels quilt about Henry and Julie feels quilt about the same thing, but she's trying to deflect. Thematically, the movie is about reaching middle-age and not becoming who you imagined you were going to be when you "grew up" and dealing with the fallout of those regrets. Most people feel that way, even if they are as successful as Jesse. Once they get past that point, probably in a few years, their relationship will change again and they will settle back down when they get through their growing pains. Their relationship is not a devolution, it's the natural consequence of knowing someone too well on the inevitable march through time.
Excellent summation. To add to that, I find the ending optimistic insofar as they are finally deciding to turn towards one another, despite all the insecurities and doubt. It doesn't magically fix their problems, but it provides a path forwards. Long term relationships can't be sustained by the passions of early infatuation and lust. They demand deliberate acts of commitment, day after day, to press past the obstacles that inevitably arise.
I dont know if anyone is paying attention this late but id be very curious to see the girls react to "Reality Bites ". also starring Ethan Hawke with Winona Ryder.
i know you guys are cringing at the nudity, but it was very well done imo - that's how life is when you're in a long term relationship. he's seen her naked a million times and she's clearly comfortable being topless around him, she doesn't care to put her top back on despite it not being "sexy time" anymore because couples see each other naked all the time, even outside of a sexual context
That is why I hate when people come and say "saying to your partner something that you don't like about them is insensitive" and am just like why!? and their answer is "because everyone anybody is perfect so you have to accept them like that" and am just here thinking - that would end in a break up, because if time to time they do things that I don't like at one point I would be just too tired to keep up with it.
You don't seem built for long term relationships. Even the "perfect" partner will invariably do things that irritate you. Sometimes you need to communicate that, and it's the way you do so that matters. Other times you have to accept that aspects of your partner aren't going to change, and be okay with that to maintain the relationship
Believe it or not, there are men out there who aren't so fragile that they can't handle a woman with her own ideas, or can't celebrate her successes even at something he enjoys. Not all men have the expectation that a woman he's with is less than she is or should be. A relationship is about two people who do everything they can to make their partner and themself the best version of who they can be. And that's true, even after 40.
So... this is my favourite film series. I just want to share: I was 23 when Before Sunrise came out. And I was 32 when Before Sunset came out. And 41 when Before Midnight came out. I would love for you two to re-review Before Sunset and Before Midnight when you are 32 and 41 respectively. I think it would be brilliant.
Just out of curiosity, now that you are 50+ how do you feel about the last movie, what are your thoughts on the future of Jessie and Celine? I like to believe they still love each other and still live together.
@@VVM- I do believe they still love each other, and I do believe they stayed together. What I don't know is how much they grew from the experience as individuals. In the second movie, Jesse (at least) recognized the importance of commitment; which is why he was the one to go after her in the end, but he also said he was not going to be a dog coming back to abuse. That commitment alone could hold them together; they obviously both love their children. But their fulfillment depends greatly on their willingness to learn about themselves, how they change, how they react, etc.
The lead couple Celine and Jesse appear in another movie by the same director called Waking Life (2001) in a crossover scene. In a fourth movie appearance.
Richard Linklater also deftly captures the passage of time with a film that he directed as well, and “Stella” mentioned: “Boyhood”. But also the classic “Dazed and Confused” and “School of Rock”-yes, the latter starring Jack Black…
You can disagree on a lot of things and fight and hurt each other as a couple, as long as both of you are willing to accept and listen to each other, and tolerate each other's very human failings and foibles.
I still find this film a hard watch. I love the first two films but this one is so depressing because it cuts too close to the bone. Excellent film making but yeah... not one I ever want to watch unless I'm feeling masochistic.
Hey, not sure if either of you will read this, but I want to reassure you that as “real” as this depiction of growing older with someone is, theirs is not a necessary outcome. You both seem to be aware of the pitfalls for the characters in the movie, and I think that bodes well for you in your future relationships. Make it a point to prioritize open communication and you will grow together instead of apart. Thanks for reacting to this series. I thoroughly enjoyed the journey with you.
Maybe I’m not reading enough to a huge mental fight like that - but I feel like people kinda read too much into it. I basically take it as shit happens you’ll hurt each other things will happen you’ll say stuff you shouldn’t - but if it’s meant to be - if you still love each other you’ll be ok. That’s the last little bit for me 1 they both do understand they love each other and they’ll be ok 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Julie Delpy has basically said she will NOT do anymore in the BEFORE series, although neither Richard Linklater or Ethan Hawke have commented on any future installments (at least as far as I know). They COULD do one more, if only to focus on the love story "ending" (whether by divorce or death). Life can provide either one.
I think your viewing this film from a slightly incorrect vantage. I don't think this is a regular occurrence the leads in this movie. This is a build up of things going since before sunset. I'm sure they have been brought up before at least somewhat and I'm sure they'll fight about them again, but to me this is more about the culmination problems which haven't been faced. While I'm sure they will fight again in the future because some problems can not be talked through, they just exist. I don't think they will have the same kind of blow up. Basically, if they survive tonight they can survive anything. It isn't a storybook fairy-tale ending, i do consider it a happy one.
I think this movie was a consequence of the first movie. Had they dated, and stayed in touch. Perhaps when they were young, they would have flamed out. Either that or they would be together or in the same boat as his ex wife. And though its tough to watch, its trying to say, that they choose to keep the flame alive. And its not romantic, in the pretty sence. It is romantic, because otherwise they would have given it up. He tried, to be with her. Twice. His intent was always to be with her. And likewise with her, though she had a every reason why she couldnt be with him, from her grandma passing, and her respecting his marriage. Her not wanting to move to the US. She is trying to be with him. Both are trying, in a world where there would be consequences and mistakes. I like to think, that they didn't give up on each other. And thats love.
Sometime you should watch this agsin with the commentary track bc they re both there w the director. They LOVED writing the fight and die laughing at a few of the lines.
It would be very interesting to see how you react to this movie in 20 years, or whenever it is you reach the age of the characters. I’m thinking you might be a little more jaded about the prospects of avoiding these type of conflicts, respectfully. :) What they’re facing is an unresolvable dilemma that emerged the moment the twins were born: Jesse now has children on two continents, and his ex-wife is (understandably) not very cooperative. His only hope is Celine will make a sacrifice for the benefit of a child she clearly loves as her own. And she (understandably) thinks it’s unfair that she’s the one who has to make it. But it’s really just the pretext for what’s really ailing in their relationship. It’s not just about who should make the sacrifice, it’s about years of disappointments, feelings of abandonment and even betrayal. And the thing with long term relationships is, unless your communication is exceptionally good, unresolved conflicts and resentments tend to fester. You’re touching on it yourselves: They had chances to speak up, (you always do), but they brushed it under the rug for the benefit of this exciting thing they had. It’s what people in love do. At that moment where the second movie ends, they both make a decision that is going to affect the rest of their lives, not just in good ways. Question is, would they do it again? I’d like to think, at their death beds, their answers would be yes.
Sure others have come in to say this but these films are made be Richard Linklater and he did a similar time experiment in a film called BOYHOOD. I really recommend it but I don't wanna say too much
@whitenoisereacts I gotta tell you I love your videos and they entertained me and always helps cheers me up during rough times. However when the channel ends I’m gonna miss all 4 of you reacting to movies. Happy New Year and hope you guys had a good Christmas.
@@whitenoisereactsThe fact you only “❤️” this comment and another comment and no other comments on this video including my recent comments just show how bias you’ve become when it comes to "❤" comments
My 3 fav films of all time. Loved your reaction for the first 2 but I had to stop this one. The balance of talking was wrong. 5 mins of conversation for every line. Too much. Also, gen X just say what they feel. i think maybe that is why the characters shocked you.
Yeah, I noticed some discomfort with the conversation style even in "Before Sunrise" I think they're just unused to that blunt yet self aware way of talking.
These immature, repressed, and inexperienced kids reacted...well... exactly as I'd expect. Can't hate them for that. It's why some of us responded differently to each film at different phases in our lives.
A fourth and final Before movie should have been made. I’m sure the three writers could have come up with an excellent story. May have been the best of the 3. Just no closer. Poor fans sorry 😢
What's your favorite romantic drama?
The Fountain is very underrated
There's a little known movie called "The Cake Eaters", which was written and directed by Mary Stuart Masterson (of 80s movie brat pack fame, believe it or not.) It's an absolutely beautiful film, with all the real world relationship dynamics that these movies take on, with some others thrown in as well. It's such a great movie and it gets very little attention.
Dinner in America. You need to steel yourself, because this is a movie that does everything it can to turn you off during the first 15 minutes or so. You have to persist. I promise you it pays off.
It presents you with The Worst Man Alive, convinces you that he is nothing but danger for any woman that gets close to him, and then puts a new woman in his path who seems to be especially defenceless. The film then gradually shows you that you've underestimated her, and then the story changes him, until by the end you're rooting for both of them. It's a really unusual film: not totally unprecedented, but a style of movie that hasn't been made very often since mid-90s/early 00s period when this film would have fit right in.
(1985) Out of Africa
To Catch a Thief with Cary Grant and Grace Kelly. It's a classic.
Ethan Hawke summarized this whole trilogy perfectly: Before Sunrise shows us 'what could be', Before Sunset' shows us 'what could have been', Before Midnight shows us 'what is.'
There should of been a before midday, before nightset and before nightrise lol
I’m of the same generation as the actors, and so I saw these three movies when they came out, at the age the characters were in, respectively. And I have to say I have never seen another movie come close in terms of realism. I believe the reason these characters are so deeply beloved is that they are so damn real. We feel like they are actual people we actually know. It is testament to the writing of team Linklater, Delpy and Hawke - and the acting of course, which was meticulously rehearsed before each shooting, down to every pause, sigh and gesture. Incredible, incredible work by true artists.
I think that this movie is easier to relate to when you've been in long term relationships where lives merge and stakes get bigger and baggage builds up. These fights happen and they especially happen if you really love each other. I think they're in a toxic place but the love between them is palpable in this film too, and the potential they have to get through this is very high because of that love.
I think until you've been there and seen how you hit fights like this. Bad bad fights where you seem to be ready to not just leave but burn it all down. And you absolutely can get through to these. Probably anyone who's managed a relationship that spans decades has been through these make or break you transitional periods. And that's what this is. That's the ambiguity in the end, whether they've fought their way back to each other or not. Personally I think there's every reason to believe they took a huge first step.
This also is showing them in one day, a day where Jesse dropped his son off at the airport and then dropped moving to Chicago hints in the first scene. It's a day a big fight was brewing.
This is very true.
In your everyday life you just can't always bring every little thing to the table and discuss it with emotional intelligence. So you just leave it be and throw it on the pile that says 'tiny things that don't matter anyway'. And then when you do have a weak moment and several things go wrong at the same time and all of your rational emotional intelligence is not present, then all these unresolved things come back.
We have these fights 1-2 times a year. We used to come up with these ideas on how to avoid this scenario but in the end it still continued to happen.
Now we've accepted that this is how it goes (at least for us), apologize, lick our wounds, remember that it's all OK, and leave the fight behind us.
At some point you feel more hurt about what you said to your partner and how you made them feel in that moment anyway.
I don't think the girls were necessarily disagreeing with that. Of course fights happen. What they were cringing at was how these two were airing their dirty laundry in public and amongst their own friend group. It absolutely makes sense that two people who've experienced so much together would start to have issues down the road, but it isn't exactly hard to doubt that two people who are emotionally well adjusted enough would still be able to keep this behind closed doors, maybe only getting off one or two subtle jabs in public in the form of snarky jokes others would only laugh at. What happened in the movie during the dinner scene was way beyond that, and I think the girls were right to say that that just isn't normal. As the girls themselves said at the end of their reaction for Before Sunset, yeah, they may be in their twenties still, but they get it.
@@sarahnadeofpoetry This is one day. One dinner. If you've never done anything toxic in a relationship then congratulations, but I think this movie might be more honest than you are. Maybe that particular toxic isn't your brand, and while the scene you described is something you would "never do" then something you've done or said is something I would "never do" but we've all made toxic mistakes in relationships.
And I never thought the women in this video were saying that fights don't happen 🤔 Everyone knows fights happen. Some people are naive about what the bad fights can look like.
@@ceceliam9014 Like I said, it's not about never being toxic, it's about not being toxic in this one particular way. You're right, it isn't my brand, but that's also because it isn't something that's going to happen in every kind of relationship. As I said before, it's the difference between fighting behind closed doors and just letting it all spill out to drench other people, too.
I meant that your original post seemed to imply that because Hayley and Stella are younger, they might not 'get it', as in, this particular sort of fighting. I was just saying that even if they haven't exactly lived it, that basic human understanding of fighting and at least partial civility is one we all can understand.
@@sarahnadeofpoetry When I was in my early 20s, I most definitely would not have understood what fights can look like and still be expressions of trying to make love work. Not until I'd been in a relationship that lasted for a long time, merged finances, merged important life decisions, etc. Throw kids in the mix it's even more intense. It's not about age, but it absolutely is about experience... And that can relate to age.
Sure we can all conceptually "understand" how to argue "properly", but if you haven't had experiences with high stakes like this then you don't actually understand it yet. And I think the reactors had some judgments on the characters that comes with inexperience.
Watch this movie again after you've been married a while. It hits differently. The part at the end where they can't stand each other, argue, say hurtful things. After you both let it all out, you kiss and make up and go back to normal. It's because you both formed a strong bond with each other over the years. You can see Celine attempt to grab her bag and leave, but she instantly realizes she actually doesn't want to. It's the bond that keeps a relationship going.
Brilliant thing about these movies (and you touched on it in your commentary): You guys sound like Jesse and Celine in Before Sunrise. They meet because of the arguing couple on the train, unable to understand how the arguing couple came to be that way. In Before Midnight they become that arguing couple. You should re-visit these films every decade.
Both reactors are in their early 20s I assume so I can understand why they wouldn't want to watch this particular movie in the series again for a long long time.
It's sort of a peek into what people in their 40s are feeling and going through. The first movie was the two in their 20s enjoying the freedoms of young adulthood and the excitement of what the future would hold. The second movie was the two in their 30s coming back together and realizing that what they decided to do wasn't working and wanted an answer to their 'what if' question. This third movie was the two in their 40s realizing that the answer to their 'what if' question wasn't what they had hoped for and have regrets/resentment toward one another.
There are plenty of people in their 20's being utterly captivated by these films, myself inculded. I just think these two are emotionally immature and don't quite get it. Everything being "weird" or "duuuude wtf did they just say??" Found these reactions boring which is a shame because reaction videos to the Before Trilogy are criminally few and far between. I wanted to feel the magic of watching these films for the first time again, instead I found myself often frustrated and annoyed by the immature opinions of the two girls.
@@thegael791 yeah these 2 just did not get it lol
@@thegael791The only one emotionally immature here is you if you don’t realize that people have different tastes in movies.
@@GojoDKai Cute narcissim pal, very subtle. "They're not boring YOU are!" Lmao. Utter shite response. You can sit down again.
@@thegael791 How in the hell is that narcissism? They weren't even defending themselves; they were defending the reactors. That is not narcissism. They're right to say that you're emotionally immature. You didn't go into this with an open mind, you literally stated that you just wanted to live vicariously through these first-time watchers. Of course you were going to get frustrated. But instead of owning up to it, you rudely disparage the reactors instead, as if it's their fault for being individuals with their own perspectives. And then you go after @GojoDKai ten times harder than they did you.
If you can't see the problem there, then oh well. Hope you grow up some more, there's plenty of time for that at least.
"Before Midnight" is the one that should be rewatched, I think, to understand it fully. First time I watched it I felt very similar. I needed the second watching to fully understand what was said and why and what was held back. But I do not think Celine and Jessy grew apart. Fights happen and I understand this movie's message as going through the worst of them and still wanting to be together, even when you can't resolve certain things, you learn to forgive.
Exactly. Perfection, or the expectation of it, is the deathbed of real love.
As you grow older you will find that these kinds of conversations are realistic. There is love resentment, fear, compassion, and anger in many conversations at the same time.
Me, a 15-year-old who completely loves this trilogy and this last movie for that... I mean, if I watched the third movie by itself, I wouldn't really like it all that much, it'd be a mid-tier level movie for me personally. But since I watched it in order, slowly grew attached to these characters like they would've, and the last scene in the third movie just REALLY hit hard, the third movie might be my favorite in the trilogy, and they all hold spots in my top 5 favorite romance movies.
And maybe the reason I can grasp on to what you're saying at such a young age is that I had a 1.5 year long relationship that sadly ended like a year ago after she broke up with me. And while I can't fully relate to the severity of the scenes in the 3 movies, I've definitely experienced all the scenes to some degree even if it was minor, but large enough to really hit hard for me. And also my parents act like it all the time so I kinda have to live with it...
The trilogy is so rooted in reality and the writing & acting is superb. The first movie shows the romantic ideal. The second movie poses the question of what could have been and what might be. The final film shows how difficult romance can be when faced with the harsh realities of life (finances, children, exes, etc). As a whole, the trilogy is a masterpiece. If you two haven’t seen Boyhood, you should watch it. Another sweeping piece by Richard Linklater. While it’s not as good as these films, it’s still a genuine work of art.
Looking at their relationship from Jesse's perspective juxtaposed to Jesse's previous relationship with his ex(the way he described it in Before Sunset), is interesting. Jesse described the relationship with his ex as a loveless marriage, his life all bad all the time, a bad environment for his boy, etc. You could tell he had completely given up on his relationship, he had no interest or passion toward it. Now compare that to him and Celine. Yes, they're dysfunctional, yes they fight. But Jesse genuinely cares about this relationship unlike the last one. They aren't perfect, but you can tell, if nothing else, Jesse has deep and genuine love for Celine.
Exactly. And I think that speech at the end that he delivered (Which completely saved the movie for me, made it a mid-movie to one of my all-time favorites), really hit hard for me and Celine. So I think they're going to be okay. Especially if they can work through the problems level-headed which I hope they can do since I think that last speech would really flip their thinking in a lot of ways. Which kinda annoyed me that the reactors weren't seeing it that way (Or at least what I watched of their final reaction), but oh well.
@@ScottLee-xw8vm i feel the same way at the end i felt optimistic that they will figure out a way eventually meanwhile these reactors throughout the film were reacting too bitter about every conversation they had and at the end they labeled this as a failing relationship...i am happy am not the only one thinking that way abt these reactors
I strongly suspect this may just be a GenX vs GenZ conflict here. I noticed even in the first movie the blunt, self aware and introspective conversations took them by surprise. And also discomforted them a little bit. So I think they're taking some of the discussions as being more malicious than they really are. This is just the way people of a certain age and a certain generation talk.
Nah, Gen Z are pretty darn self-aware. Hell, every little personal quirk is a meme. We’re quite forward with our flaws. Almost to the point of laughing everything off as a given instead of a problem.
The thing is though that laughing at something or memeing it are attempts at deflection and self deprecation These characters arent doing that. Theyre being completely sincere when they talk.
Yeah, it's cringe inducing when they tense up every time they mention sex. Even if you're potential asexuals, it's a very odd response.
@@jamk2668 It's definitely a christian thing. That little fake wince they do when you swear is exactly the same.
@@jamk2668 true like why were they feeling weird about a couple having an argument when they are half naked like wtf?? that's how comfortable couples get around each other after living even more than 5+yrs but these couple have been together for almost 20 yrs so it's not weird at all
The actors and director have said that at the beginning of the first film, Celine and Jesse watch a middle aged couple fighting on the train. By the end of the last film, they have become that couple.
As a couple, its hard and frightening, but people should make the effort to adress problems when they show up, and not hiding them. They will come up later, bigger and packed with resentment.
The character arcs and the way the three movies tie in with each other are such an interesting look into how baggage changes our outlook on life. Celine in Before Sunrise is asked if she believes in reincarnation and she says yes, but in Before Sunset when again asked if she believes in reincarnation she says no (we gradually find out that she has grown to be more cynical in Sunset and Midnight because of that night in Vienna). Meanwhile Jesse in Before Sunrise is asked on the tram during the Q&A if he'd ever been in love and he says "Yes. Next question", but in Before Midnight he claims Celine was his first love. It's that subtlety which puts this trilogy in a league of its own.
When the palm reader in Before Sunrise tells Celine "You'll be alright, he's learning" I always took that as she was letting her know that Jesse was learning to be less cynical. Celine was rubbing off on him and was the right person for him. Before Midnight shows them moving past the fight, just like the couple on the train did. The trilogy ends as it began.
I want to remain hopeful that the end of this film was not the end of their story. One of the last things Jesse says is he’s seen their future. What if the next film is the two of them as grandparents. They stuck it out together and didn’t walk away. The story would be about their enduring love for one another through all the ups and downs that life throws at us.
Give it some time, ladies. This is how it really is. You fight and you work through it. You’ll see.
But not in public. That was literally their one big issue with it. And I really don't see either of them doing what either of these characters did in that dinner scene.
@@sarahnadeofpoetry bruh that dinner scene was just normal ur acting like they threw a tantrum in public
@@dexter2178 except that one part where she gets defensive and says it out loud the rest of the 90% conversation was pretty fun and light hearted so yea it was not really a public tantrum but i hated how these reactors always had something to feel bitter about like the way celine was doing this smitten women impression i thought it was adorable meanwhile these reactors hated to be there and probably even the entire convo
The girls should totally carry on - with a new channel if not on this one - and should totally, totally react to the 1951 drama, A Streetcar Named Desire.
Stella knows why 😉
I agree. Have they not announced that they are? Have the even addressed the subject?
The best thing about the hotel argument is they are both so pretentious in their speech and education. The insults they throw at each other are so much better than regular people
When you're my age, you can only look at this movie with fondness and wry humor. This is how we are and who we are.
Your constant surprise and sentiments of "They're never coming back from this" or the implication something is out of the ordinary is cute. Sorry, but this is how life is and not as academic as you believe. And society is not "past" fathers having reluctance about not teaching their sons masculine traits (throwing a ball, throwing a punch, learning how to work hard, knowing how to treat a woman, knowing how to provide and protect), that's very normal outside your bubble. It's a big world out there! Nice work on your content.
“Even when my parents have a huge fight, they end up laughing like crazy” sign they’ll make it
The before series isn't about romance, it's about navigating life, that involves romance.
I like that at the end he uses the time traveler thing, since it sotra loops back since that's the thing he did on the train to convince her to get off with him.
The dinner scene conversation is so lovely. Love listening to Xenia Kalogeropoulou - whom Ethan Hawke refers to as Greek Audrey Hepburn. Great reaction guys
"Constantly talking isn't necessarily communicating." (Joel, the Jim Carrey character, in "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind".)
You girls should keep the channel going if possible have the guys on for special rare appearances at least. But don't quit.
Nobu is actually going to be doing the White Noise Anime Reacts channel as for Stella & Hayley, well it’s hard to say if they, mostly Stella, will run the White Noise Reacts channel together as Stella recently open a Ko-Fi account and looks to be moving on from White Noise Reacts to either do solo reactions or continue having Hayley involved as one of her co-reactors.
@@EChacon no one knows yet but I am really hoping that hayley and stella will continue doing more reactions, if not I will be sad
@@pat_jones36That’s what I’m hoping
@@pat_jones36But again, it seems with Stella setting up a Ko-Fi account and saying "formerly from White Noise Reacts" it looks like she’s moving on from them, but wether she continues to do collabs with Hayley or just doing reactions by herself is the million dollar question.
@@EChacon I’m hoping they’ll start a new reaction channel on YT, idk Ko-Fi I’ve never heard of it
What a fascinating reaction to this movie. Jesse and Celine's interactions are what a relationship is when people are honest about their thoughts and feelings. And if they share them as they're happening this is what happens. It's raw, difficult, and often painful... But in this case always real. And at the end, they reconnect. Like the old man said at the lunch table: they remain two different people. And that's the beauty of it, they don't numb who they are to appease or be pleasant, both are immensely themselves. And they find their way back. It's not happily ever after with it's fake fantasy joy. It's actual love between two "real" individuals, before, during, and after a fight.
And yet, all through the film both of you just saw it as ugly and wrong. It was very irritating and at the same incredibly interesting...
So, sincerely, thank you very much! I was very annoyed but also very engaged by a different point of view. It was worth watching.
Please girls no offense but you two will understand this film a lot more when you rewatch it in a few years when you are older or when you are around the age of the characters in the film. The first time I watched this movie I didn't like it much. Now rewatching almost 15 years ago I totally understand it (and makes me sad) and I like it very much now. Unfortunately (for better or worse) this is how many couples deal with their marriage. Its to see how far or when a person is willing to love and be disappointed without giving up on them
The beauty of this series: When I was 20, Before Sunrise was my favorite. When I was around 30, I connected to Before Sunset the most. Now I'm 41 and I appreciate Before Midnight the most.
BOYHOOD is a fantastic movie with Ethan Hawke that follows a very similar formula. Filmed over 12 years, following the childhood of a young boy into adulthood, and the journey of his family. Ethan Hawke plays the dad. Also directed by Richard Linklater, like this trilogy.
You guys gotta check that out if you have room for one more reaction. Absolutely beautiful film.
The most interesting part of these reactions is I'm wondering if there's a generational shift in the way couples communicate or if these two are too young and naive to know that despite, what they know about healthy communication and conflict resolution, it is much harder to put into practice in real life.
So much of what gets people to this point is stress and pressure, and the feeling that you are trapped. Even if the people you are trapped with are people you care about deeply, you feel trapped. We are like atoms, the more you try to constrain us, the more violently we bounce off the walls. And of course, in the modern world of the exploding atomic family (see what I did there?), that pressure and stress becomes even more complex.
And it's not just couples. You get the same dynamic with any group of people who are forced by circumstance to live in each other's pockets for long periods of time. Bands notoriously break up due to exactly the same dynamic. The pressure of being 'stuck' in a situation where the stakes are considerable, it causes people to start redirecting their frustration in some other available direction. And usually a lot of passive-aggressive issues because a lot of people aren't comfortable with direct conflict.
What a rich comment!
What does "the stakes" mean?
By the end of the movie, you didn't _like_ either of them, but what about love? I honestly loved Celine and Jesse _more_ in this movie, knowing how the encroaching years drop their layers of sediment on all of us, and however much we try, however creative our dreams, however planned our hoped-for futures, the march of time can leave us jaded or hurt beyond words sometimes. Ideal solutions and happy endings are generally for poorly told stories. We can never understand this in our twenties. It's literally impossible. Only life, with its endless tides, can even begin to teach it. And though it's a painful lesson, it's not the end; we can learn to love despite these awful collisions and abrasions. Love isn't all encompassing. Love is acceptance. Love can be mundane. And love is behaviour.
Exactly. It's a hard truth but I think if people can get beyond the fact that it's difficult, they'd agree with it as well. The third movie was actually probably my favorite of the 3 (All of which are probably in my top 5 romance movies), the ending especially cemented it as my favorite. And while I was watching it I probably didn't think it was my favorite, might've even been thinking it could possibly ruin it for me, but after taking a moment to reflect on all the movies after the ending, it really hit hard for me.
And this might come as a shocker, but I'm only 15 lol. But maybe I can connect to this type of thing on a deeper level because I was in a relationship for 1.5 years that she ended a year ago (But on mostly still good terms), and I'm usually level-headed enough that my parents even ask for advice during their fights because they can't see it half the time 💀
@@ScottLee-xw8vm Keep watching movies and keep writing about them. Your insights at your age are a rare thing, trust me.
@@DavidAntrobus Yeah thanks man, will do.
@@ScottLee-xw8vm cool to know that 15 yo has a better understanding than these reactors in their 20's...i am a 20yo trying my best to look at things more optimistically and try to find solutions with level headedness and learn a lot of those watching movies like these
Hey Stella and Hayley 😊 whats up? Happy New Year! I love the Little House on the prarie look Stella has going on! I hope you two create a channel in the future! You'd rock! 😃👍🏼
I wish I had seen this film when I was a teenager. Growing up, my parents almost never fought, which is great, but it meant that I never learned that you could have a fight in a relationship and still continue after the fight. Consequently, every fight in a relationship always feels like the end to me. If I had seen this film as an example of a bad fight that allows the relationship to continue, I think I would have learned a lot much earlier in life.
Just remember, Love means never having to say you’re sorry. 😜
A physician should be standing by if these girls ever get around to Cassavetes movies.
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Celine is cynical because she knows that she's the other woman which isn't a nice place to be. It doesn't matter that Jesse was unhappy in his marriage and really wanted to be with her. Even if he had divorced his wife first before they got together, the fact is that he left his marriage because he was still in love with her. If he had never met her again he probably would have stayed in this toxic relationship until his son was old enough to understand the situation and then leave. But because they chose to do what they did, Celine will FOREVER be the 'homewrecker' in her own eyes and I'm sure she feels others who know their story closely and exactly how it all went down think the same too. She's resentful of the situation and her position in this dynamic. Which is why every time he talks about how he feels about not being able to be there for his son, she takes it personally because it is personal for her! He literally chose being with her, making a family with her over being present in his son's life. It was a choice they both made to be together but it doesn't seem to be something she has come to terms with yet. Neither of them. They both have guilt over their choices and it's causing them to be resentful towards each other. I actually love this ending to the trilogy because of how it really addressed how a beautiful love story from the first movie can just spiral out of control when you get into the nitty gritty of REAL life.
Yall completely ruined the movie for yourselves by trying to analyze their arguments and taking sides. The point is to show the reality of middle-age marriage condensed into this one night. They move on from their potentially marriage-ending argument with something silly like a hypothetical time machine because, like Jesse says: "This is real life. It's not perfect, but it's real." And this shows that Jesse and Celine are truly in love.
"Not the roasting of Joan of Arc." HAHAHAHAHA
This one is a sad one. It’s like the dissolution of a marriage maybe. I was hoping that 2022 would bring the fourth part but they already confirmed it would’ve happened if it was happening.
Sad all around that they broke the nine year between movies streak-1995, 2004, and 2013.
Another interesting thing about this one is that Linklater, Hawke, and Delpy are all credited as writers for this one because they all had a hand in shaping the direction of the story and the characters. This was a conscious choice by all three of them to not go with the typical happily ever after ending for a couple that seemed so smitten with one another in the first two films. It certainly is a brave choice and a brutally honest one.
The first movie is the fairytale ideal, second is how that fairytale ideal FEELS and the final is what happens when you try to make the fairytale ideal work in real life.
As an older person, this is perhaps my favourite analysis by you both. I hope your insights protect you from these behavioural tarpits!
Doubtful... I think they'll encounter some of these pitfalls themselves. Maybe not as bad, but I think never compromising is just as bad as always compromising.
It's the beauty of youth. This movie made me intensely uncomfortable when it came out. Rewatching now, with the benefit of an additional decade of life experience, it's more relatable and I actually find the ending more optimistic than I did originally.
@@citydweller99 This assumes that the game is to attach yourself to someone until death, and that if you don't do it for whatever reason then you've lost the game. A lot of people would be happier and more fulfilled investing in their friendships and looking at living with friends as the more natural cohabitation.
The scene to understand the film, and the entire trilogy, is the dinner scene. When the old woman talks about the sunrise or sunset that disappears. These three days that we observe as spectators in the WHOLE lives of these people are unique, almost unreal. In the first film, both characters are stunned by the experience of connecting so deeply when you least expect it. In the second film, the shock is due to the possibility of that second meeting and a new opportunity. Both films show that singularity, in an idyllic and romantic way. Let's remember that it is only a day (and a few hours) that we see them, we don't really know them, we know what they say about themselves.
The problem with the third film is that the day recounted is not unique because they have not seen each other, but because they no longer have time to relive that idyllic dream again in their common life. The honesty of both (and therefore, their connection) in the previous films came from recounting other people's sorrows, the problem of being married is that now they themselves are included in them. It is obvious to think, then, that this day where they attack each other is not the rule, but an exception, an honest exception, but also devastating. Once midnight passes, this unique and special day will also disappear. They are going to go back to what they were before.
I don't agree with the narrative that this trilogy is "realistic", as many others say. After all, it recounts exceptional days of ordinary people.
I think it is coherent, coherent with this relationship in which they are trapped, that of being themselves (with all the bad that that means).
I would also like to mention that I really like Celine in this movie, it is the movie where she is most neurotic, yes, but also more imperfect, more real.
Also, I just want to say that fundamental differences in belief or dreams aren’t a guaranteed doom for relationships. It is 100% possible to be in an amazing, loving, fulfilling, endlessly happy marriage with someone whom you have fundamental disagreements with. It happens all the time.
It’s all about communication, and yes, compromise. Relationships all require compromise. But when it’s never ending and never communicated how much certain compromises hurt, that’s when things start becoming damaging.
Pointless to argue what they say. It's meant to be taken as it unfolds.
Yeah it was annoying
I aged with these films and always related at the time, but watching people react to this it changes with age for sure. What I feel from each is totally different now than when I saw them in real time. Awesome reactions.
What you're seeing in this film is not their daily life; it's a crisis point. The whole issue is that Ethan Hawke feels quilt about Henry and Julie feels quilt about the same thing, but she's trying to deflect. Thematically, the movie is about reaching middle-age and not becoming who you imagined you were going to be when you "grew up" and dealing with the fallout of those regrets. Most people feel that way, even if they are as successful as Jesse. Once they get past that point, probably in a few years, their relationship will change again and they will settle back down when they get through their growing pains. Their relationship is not a devolution, it's the natural consequence of knowing someone too well on the inevitable march through time.
Excellent summation. To add to that, I find the ending optimistic insofar as they are finally deciding to turn towards one another, despite all the insecurities and doubt. It doesn't magically fix their problems, but it provides a path forwards. Long term relationships can't be sustained by the passions of early infatuation and lust. They demand deliberate acts of commitment, day after day, to press past the obstacles that inevitably arise.
I dont know if anyone is paying attention this late but id be very curious to see the girls react to "Reality Bites ". also starring Ethan Hawke with Winona Ryder.
i know you guys are cringing at the nudity, but it was very well done imo - that's how life is when you're in a long term relationship. he's seen her naked a million times and she's clearly comfortable being topless around him, she doesn't care to put her top back on despite it not being "sexy time" anymore because couples see each other naked all the time, even outside of a sexual context
That is why I hate when people come and say "saying to your partner something that you don't like about them is insensitive" and am just like why!? and their answer is "because everyone anybody is perfect so you have to accept them like that" and am just here thinking - that would end in a break up, because if time to time they do things that I don't like at one point I would be just too tired to keep up with it.
You don't seem built for long term relationships. Even the "perfect" partner will invariably do things that irritate you. Sometimes you need to communicate that, and it's the way you do so that matters. Other times you have to accept that aspects of your partner aren't going to change, and be okay with that to maintain the relationship
I think it's more that one has to determine if the flaw in their partner is not a big deal, or a deal breaker.
Believe it or not, there are men out there who aren't so fragile that they can't handle a woman with her own ideas, or can't celebrate her successes even at something he enjoys. Not all men have the expectation that a woman he's with is less than she is or should be. A relationship is about two people who do everything they can to make their partner and themself the best version of who they can be. And that's true, even after 40.
So... this is my favourite film series. I just want to share: I was 23 when Before Sunrise came out. And I was 32 when Before Sunset came out. And 41 when Before Midnight came out. I would love for you two to re-review Before Sunset and Before Midnight when you are 32 and 41 respectively. I think it would be brilliant.
Just out of curiosity, now that you are 50+ how do you feel about the last movie, what are your thoughts on the future of Jessie and Celine? I like to believe they still love each other and still live together.
@@VVM- I do believe they still love each other, and I do believe they stayed together. What I don't know is how much they grew from the experience as individuals. In the second movie, Jesse (at least) recognized the importance of commitment; which is why he was the one to go after her in the end, but he also said he was not going to be a dog coming back to abuse. That commitment alone could hold them together; they obviously both love their children. But their fulfillment depends greatly on their willingness to learn about themselves, how they change, how they react, etc.
Think back to the train car in the first scene of the first film. They have become the middle aged German couple arguing.
Great trilogy
The lead couple Celine and Jesse appear in another movie by the same director called Waking Life (2001) in a crossover scene. In a fourth movie appearance.
Richard Linklater also deftly captures the passage of time with a film that he directed as well, and “Stella” mentioned: “Boyhood”. But also the classic “Dazed and Confused” and “School of Rock”-yes, the latter starring Jack Black…
You can disagree on a lot of things and fight and hurt each other as a couple, as long as both of you are willing to accept and listen to each other, and tolerate each other's very human failings and foibles.
I still find this film a hard watch. I love the first two films but this one is so depressing because it cuts too close to the bone. Excellent film making but yeah... not one I ever want to watch unless I'm feeling masochistic.
I would really love to see you guys do a first watch reaction to 'Boyhood' by the same director!
Hey, not sure if either of you will read this, but I want to reassure you that as “real” as this depiction of growing older with someone is, theirs is not a necessary outcome. You both seem to be aware of the pitfalls for the characters in the movie, and I think that bodes well for you in your future relationships. Make it a point to prioritize open communication and you will grow together instead of apart.
Thanks for reacting to this series. I thoroughly enjoyed the journey with you.
Maybe I’m not reading enough to a huge mental fight like that - but I feel like people kinda read too much into it. I basically take it as shit happens you’ll hurt each other things will happen you’ll say stuff you shouldn’t - but if it’s meant to be - if you still love each other you’ll be ok. That’s the last little bit for me 1 they both do understand they love each other and they’ll be ok 🤷♂️🤷♂️
This third one broke my heart; and I love it.
15:45. Whoops. 😂🤣
Julie Delpy has basically said she will NOT do anymore in the BEFORE series, although neither Richard Linklater or Ethan Hawke have commented on any future installments (at least as far as I know).
They COULD do one more, if only to focus on the love story "ending" (whether by divorce or death). Life can provide either one.
I think your viewing this film from a slightly incorrect vantage. I don't think this is a regular occurrence the leads in this movie. This is a build up of things going since before sunset. I'm sure they have been brought up before at least somewhat and I'm sure they'll fight about them again, but to me this is more about the culmination problems which haven't been faced. While I'm sure they will fight again in the future because some problems can not be talked through, they just exist. I don't think they will have the same kind of blow up. Basically, if they survive tonight they can survive anything. It isn't a storybook fairy-tale ending, i do consider it a happy one.
What’s happening to the patreon? It still says it’s under review and it has been like that for like a few days
I think this movie was a consequence of the first movie. Had they dated, and stayed in touch. Perhaps when they were young, they would have flamed out. Either that or they would be together or in the same boat as his ex wife. And though its tough to watch, its trying to say, that they choose to keep the flame alive. And its not romantic, in the pretty sence. It is romantic, because otherwise they would have given it up. He tried, to be with her. Twice. His intent was always to be with her. And likewise with her, though she had a every reason why she couldnt be with him, from her grandma passing, and her respecting his marriage. Her not wanting to move to the US. She is trying to be with him. Both are trying, in a world where there would be consequences and mistakes. I like to think, that they didn't give up on each other. And thats love.
Great reaction!!
Realistically, there is no way they work through all their issues in one night.
Why do you guys want perfect conversation between these two when life itself can't be perfect?
Sometime you should watch this agsin with the commentary track bc they re both there w the director. They LOVED writing the fight and die laughing at a few of the lines.
Awesome reaction of my favorite movie!!!!!😊😊😊😊
It would be very interesting to see how you react to this movie in 20 years, or whenever it is you reach the age of the characters. I’m thinking you might be a little more jaded about the prospects of avoiding these type of conflicts, respectfully. :)
What they’re facing is an unresolvable dilemma that emerged the moment the twins were born: Jesse now has children on two continents, and his ex-wife is (understandably) not very cooperative. His only hope is Celine will make a sacrifice for the benefit of a child she clearly loves as her own. And she (understandably) thinks it’s unfair that she’s the one who has to make it.
But it’s really just the pretext for what’s really ailing in their relationship. It’s not just about who should make the sacrifice, it’s about years of disappointments, feelings of abandonment and even betrayal. And the thing with long term relationships is, unless your communication is exceptionally good, unresolved conflicts and resentments tend to fester.
You’re touching on it yourselves: They had chances to speak up, (you always do), but they brushed it under the rug for the benefit of this exciting thing they had. It’s what people in love do. At that moment where the second movie ends, they both make a decision that is going to affect the rest of their lives, not just in good ways. Question is, would they do it again? I’d like to think, at their death beds, their answers would be yes.
"the roasting of Joan of Arc" its a thing now
If you guys like “couples talking” movies, I recommend “The First Time” with Brit Robertson and Dylan O’Brien. It’s a little gem of a movie.
Sure others have come in to say this but these films are made be Richard Linklater and he did a similar time experiment in a film called BOYHOOD. I really recommend it but I don't wanna say too much
Love it love it love it thanks!
I hope that you two do continue to make reaction videos. I quit watching the guys on your team about two months ago, but I still watch you ladies.
You girls should react to The Impossible (2012)
Man, y'all should watch Boyhood if you love this series. Same director and all.
I've seen Before Sunrise 500 times, I've seen Before Sunset 200 times, and I've seen Before Midnight... once. 😅
Could you guys do another review of the same movie 20 years later?
@whitenoisereacts I gotta tell you I love your videos and they entertained me and always helps cheers me up during rough times. However when the channel ends I’m gonna miss all 4 of you reacting to movies. Happy New Year and hope you guys had a good Christmas.
Thank you so much and you too!!
@@whitenoisereacts You're welcome! You guys are the best. Also Congratulations to James on his marriage. And thank you guys for the entertainment.
@@whitenoisereactsThe fact you only “❤️” this comment and another comment and no other comments on this video including my recent comments just show how bias you’ve become when it comes to "❤" comments
Very good movie.
You should also watch Boyhood, also directed by Richard Linklater.
Have u guys done tropic thunder? There’s something about Mary?
Please react to 'The Impossible', with a young Tom Holland, Ewan McGregor and Naomi Watts ❤ it's a movie about the tsunami of 2004
I saw that movie as a little kid when it came out, it kinda made me cry
I am with Ethan Hunt's character's son's side here. I never liked sports either and flunked out of Phys-Ed in high school.
My 3 fav films of all time. Loved your reaction for the first 2 but I had to stop this one. The balance of talking was wrong. 5 mins of conversation for every line. Too much. Also, gen X just say what they feel. i think maybe that is why the characters shocked you.
Yeah, I noticed some discomfort with the conversation style even in "Before Sunrise" I think they're just unused to that blunt yet self aware way of talking.
I wonder if they’ve become the German couple in Before Sunrise
These immature, repressed, and inexperienced kids reacted...well... exactly as I'd expect. Can't hate them for that. It's why some of us responded differently to each film at different phases in our lives.
I gotta break it to you.....real couple fights.
I❤ This Movie Series!😭🙆♀️🥰🤣🖥
Along with the Bourne trilogy, my favorite trilogy
I like first😊 and second was ehh.. ohk🙂 third one was mistake😐
A fourth and final Before movie should have been made. I’m sure the three writers could have come up with an excellent story. May have been the best of the 3. Just no closer. Poor fans sorry 😢
no worries sarcasm is cool here in europe
Try Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory 1971 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 2005 James stella Hayley Noise Watch It Please
The original version please