The Best Pizza Oven: Ooni Koda 16 vs. Roccbox
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- A few years ago I named the Roccbox the best backyard pizza oven: www.seriouseat...
Since then, a competing brand, Ooni, has come out with a few different models. The Koda 16 is their newest and best. Performancewise, the two ovens are comparable. The one you prefer comes down to details. The 16 can fit a larger pie, while the Roccbox has multiple fuel options. I have no problem strongly recommending both. Here is an idential side-by-side bake in both ovens so you can see them in action.
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There's something so amazing about these videos from your home. Watching a professional chef work in a non professional kitchen is more enlightening than I think any cooking instruction I've ever seen. I am a reasonably competent cook at home and I still find myself learning...observing the way you move about around your workspace. Plus the always the well researched and scientific approach helps so much with the "why." The thing I think I'm learning more than anything is the way you flow, substituting and making mistakes and fixing, etc. These really are some of the best instructional videos out there for people who want to learn how to cook. I hope you keep doing them after this is all over. Keep em coming Kenji!
There's also a fair bit of kitchen management in the videos ... workspace arrangement, clean as you go, pantry storage ...
I've been cooking for many, many years, and watching "tv chefs" since my mom put Julia Child on the set. Kenji's POV videos are the best cooking videos I've ever seen. Thank you!
@@lizcademy4809 YES! This is what I meant by flow. It's so informative.
I find it so much more useful than food bloggers who slowly built up the following and then set up commercial kitchens at home with industrial cookers, all kinds of devices, and then suggest I follow their recipe - even though it's no longer about the food itself, it becomes aspirational. Nothing particularly bad about that but I learned so much more from Kenji in a couple of weeks since I signed up.
@@yurymol Also so true. It's the difference between cooking shows as pure entertainment versus education (which can also be entertaining). Also, pots and pans that aren't perfectly shiny and spotless as if they've never been used! Like normal people.
I dont think he will do as many becUse he wont have as much spare time
The J Kenji Lopez-Alt pizza redemption arc is fascinating.
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J. Kenji López-Alt I!! That looks like a custom webber table top. Got a link to a blog or example to see the exact measuremens?!?! Love IT!!!
MrDW72 homemade. It’s all 4x4 and 2x6 with some IKEA metal stuff added.
I don't get it.
@@618033988749 he posted a pizza video with the Ooni oven about a few weeks prior to this video and his pizza fell apart whilst cooking in the oven. hence the "redemption arc is fascinating". a "redemption arc" is roughly the up and down journey of a character so here, Kenji went from a shitty pizza to a very solid pizza so he redeemed him self aka redemption arc.
you're not going to make me buy a pizza oven Kenji, its not happening.. OH GOD WHAT AM I ORDERING
Resist!!
Christmas Crustacean other side of the coin, I think Kenji just saved me from building a brick oven in my back yard
@@nrsair I was kicking around the idea of building an oven too, then bought the smaller Ooni Koda. We threw a party with over 30 people last summer with no problem. I'll never build a brick oven.
Sold out in Canada, I'm safe for now!
Christmas Crustacean , alternative outcome after two years: Pizza oven for sale. Been used only twice, still in excellent condition.
Made pizza yesterday, I bought the ooni one because of your advice, it is amazing, so quick.
Here's my full pizza oven review from 2 years ago: ruclips.net/video/WDK762aVaMI/видео.html
The ovens are actually both $499.
Roccbox: us.gozney.com/products/roccbox?gclid=Cj0KCQjw17n1BRDEARIsAFDHFewsuufQPswV-WWfJ9EZ1vSNl1qBudQHLRGcsHl4JQa-i_AmZPPxifMaAoekEALw_wcB
Ooni: ooni.com/products/ooni-koda-16?gclid=Cj0KCQjw17n1BRDEARIsAFDHFexQ8yDdhSA14sp4s-xOn6b0AR_yCT8Gq2_ELnL3wlfjHNb6HatuR3saApvOEALw_wcB
The dough recipe is this (bakers percentages in parentheses):
Combine:
360g OO pizza flour
7g salt (2.5%)
Mix to dissolve:
235ml tepid water (65%)
6g instant yeast (1.75%)
Combine dry and wet in a food processor and process until it forms a ball, then continue to process for 30 seconds. Alternatively, combine in a stand mixer with a dough hook and mix on low until it forms a ball. Shut off mixer. Cover and rest for 10 minutes, then restart on low and mix for 10 minutes.
Cover in a bowl and let rest for 5-8 hours. Divide in half and ball up. Cover and let rise for 1.5-3 hours (both rises at room temp). Stretch, top, and bake.
Hey Kenji!
Thanks for the dough recipe. I was wondering though, why is the yeast percentage in other websites laughably low? I see sometimes they suggest 0.025%, which comes out to 0.15 grams of yeast for your recipe, assuming ~600g for total mass. Similarly, The PizzApp says to use 0.11 grams of yeast for your recipe at the same hydration/yeast/salt percentages for a leavening time of 8 hours at 80F.
I know in the previous video you mentioned that yeast percentage doesn’t really matter, but the orders of magnitudes is pretty insane.
Saw your post on Twitter a few weeks ago, I didn't realize Ooni was making a larger version. Immediately went and preordered. Cooking pizza during the summer always heats up the house so having this as an option to cook outside will be wonderful. Thanks for the tip!
Imagine not having one, but two pizza ovens
I think I see more underneath that bench... 6:39
My problem with these is that you can only cook one pizza at a time... unless...
@@redyellowpink01 At 2 minutes or less a pizza I think you'll be just fine serving the neighbourhood.
Pretty sure he didn’t have to buy them all but were “review copies.”
He made a video reviewing them
Kenji, Can you do a non-pizza, pizza oven video of some of the things you mentioned at the end like vegetables, steaks, chickens or game hens? Thank for the great content!
That'd be nice
He does Miso-Glazed Salmon and vegetables in this video with the Roccbox ruclips.net/video/51GpBG4iJcA/видео.html
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Me too
Love the little tricks you surprise us with in your videos, like fast forwards and now this splitscreen share of realtime baking!
The Roccbox is $500 and the Ooni Koda 16" is $500 on preorder. The Ooni 13" is $329.
Ah, so probably $749 Canadian. Fuck.
@@blzt3206 oof that hurts
@Blzt .... I just got a Roccbox on Amazon.ca for 600ish with tax included.
@@blzt3206 Roccbox Is $600 CAD with taxes and free shipping. It also includes a pizza peel worth $100 (CAD including taxes) making the Roccbox even cheaper. With taxes and the peel factored in, it’s the same price as the smaller Ooni Koda 13” in Canada.
You should try throwing a pizza steel in it instead of the stone to see if it shows any improvement.
We demand a treat for Shabu
I love that your videos are both super informative & interesting but somehow also super soothing and could be used as a sleep video!
Looks perfect Kenji! I own the Campchef one that does a pretty good job. We are thinking about building one, but with that comes permits and inspectors. The Ooni and Rocccbox both seem great.
Fantastic demonstration! You are tempting me to give one of these a try. Thanks so much for the details you include and for adding content every day. I really look forward to learning something new daily!
I will get my roccbox at the end of the month. ❤️
My first pizza oven.
Thanks for the comparison between both models. 👍
“They’re both around $300”
*Meanwhile* $500
you've always been my favorite food youtuber for a very long time. i was bummed out that you stopped uploading as frequently but now with this barrage of new uploads a part of me cant help but feel glad about this quarantine lel
I have been researching outdoor pizza ovens and especially eyed the Ooni Koda. Thank you for this slick demo.
Awesome, thanks Kenji, I was considering both and this really helps.
did you end up getting one?
Can you do a video of your same day Neapolitan dough from this video please? Love your content. Thanks a bunch. Have a great day
Fell asleep during the video, no offence or anything (I didn’t find it boring) it’s just i was having a “mini” anxiety/panic attack and this video was suggested to me by youtube, found it really relaxing. Earned yourself a sub kind sir.
Kenji’s solid wood table looks amazing
Idk when J Kenji Lopez-Alt became the coolest chef in the WORLD, but I’m glad he did. I learn so much about cooking watching his channel!
Thanks for this video. I like my Ooni, and I'd love to see more videos / guidance / recipes on cooking other things in the pizza ovens.
I didn't even know til watching your show yesterday that there was such a thing as a pizza oven that I could buy and use at home, now I want one.
dang that table is gorgeous
It is!
Great demo video! I own the Roccboxx and I love it! Making pizza for me and the kiddo tonight
Dude have your neighbours been having a party for the past 2 days?
Yeah bro his neighbours are rude for making that much noise
gonna say, i was like why they having a huge party.
Right? I mean I live in the middle of a city an my neighbors aren't even that loud outside.
@@erentunal886 It's rude to enjoy yourself at a seemingly reasonable time?
Made on same day? duh?
My brother and I both loved making pizza growing up as kids, and we would have LOVED an oven like this, thanks for the videos, and for the pizza oven reviews too!
Great comparison, your dough handling skills are next level. I've made more than a few accidental calzones in my Roccbox. I have the Koda 16 on order and impatiently awaiting its arrival!
I'm looking into getting either the Koda 16 or a Roccbox. I am curious since you have both if you have one that you prefer? Like if you were only able to own one which one would you choose?
@@kelton1338 They’re both great ovens. I use the 16 more because I can cook larger pizzas. That’s the only reason.
Really love the videos. Thank you. Very interested to see how the Karu 16 goes vs Koda 16
Good video! I will go for the Koda only because it has a bit more room to turn the pizza, otherwise, they are on par.
kenji you should do a 16 inch pizza. Theres not a lot of them in youtube, and for people like me (living in Argentina) its almost imposible to get a giant new york style pizza.
The Ooni Koda reaches 932 degrees and can cook a pizza in 1 minute. I find that too slow. If they made one that reached 55,920 degrees, it could cook the pizza in 1 second.
Did you graduate from business school with really good grades?
Which is almost as fast as I can eat a pizza.
The math checks out, Kowalski
How you pronounce "Ooni" is how you would pronounce oven in Finnish, "uuni".
The company was called before "Uuni" but they had to change their name, I don't know why. And they are Finnish
@@jususceasar yes, at least the husband is.
@@jususceasar the subreddit still is called /r/uuni
Mitä ootte mieltä, pitäskö lähtee torille?
That doesnt help me at all lol
Fantastic timing. I'm right on the edge of ordering a Koda 16 so to wake up to this in my subscription feed was a treat. Both the Koda 16 and the Roccbox are $500 btw.
Make that $600 for the Koda 16 at this point.
I'm new to this and don't have a pizza oven. 65, just me, my wife, occasional guest. Roccbox looks perfect for us and I love the silicone, but the larger ooni looks like it will handle many more food items. Perhaps replace my outside gas grill? Bigger isn't always better but ... versatility counts too. Im in northern Florida and would like to leave it outside under a covered patio. Can't make up my mind. Won't be buying multiple ovens. Great video!!!
Been debating which one of these to buy, so thank you for your review, which helps!
Uh tell us about that incredible table and bench seat set holy moly
Made it from a single large redwood slab.
J. Kenji López-Alt you don’t worry about it outdoors? I know redwood is fairly weather resistant. Beautiful work. I do woodworking and love working with slabs like that.
This video was hugely helpful as I decide between both units. Thank you.
Chef Lopez low-key flexing and redeeming his pizza skills 😂♥️
Really liked the video and appreciate you taking the time. Would have been nice to see what your temperature gauges indicated for each pizza.
They both look good enough to eat. Great job Kenji.
This is the second video I have watched from you. Great videos! Good information!
Thanks for sharing your experiences with these pizza ovens...
Chef, your skill set is so impressive. Another great video.
Having worked on commercial stone ovens for years and recently using the Rockbox, I was seriously impressed. It’s about as close as you can get to the real deal without spending thousands on something that weighs a tonne and is big as a house. Whoever designed this thing is clearly of the understanding of what’s required in a proper pizza oven. I confess, I haven’t used the thing on the left, but it looks like a bit of an afterthought.
very good indeed!! thank you for this video dude, it's exactly what i was looking for, THANKS!
This is perfect timing. I have been on both of their sites in the last 2 days looking for a pizza oven. I almost pulled the trigger on a roccbox after a few IPA's last night.
Did you ever pull the trigger on one? I’ve been debating both brands as well and would love to know which one you picked and how it’s working out?
@@RobertRodriguez-ec5iw I ended up buying the Roccbox. It's pretty awesome even though you are limited to a 12" pizza. Takes about 30 minutes to get up to 900 degrees F, and pizzas cook in about 90 seconds. I might upgrade to their new Dome model next year.
Beautiful cooking, great looking Pizzas, really dig that Ooni
Thanks so much ! I have been considering the new Ooni 16 !
Just love your style and approach, I'm a tremendous fan. I don't have an out door grill, but the Steel baking company's sheet rocks
That's a beautiful weber kettle table. I'd like to find plans and make one. I just purchased the roccbox, used it once. It's going to be fun.
These companies need to start adding a battery operated turn table. So there is no need to constantly taking the pizza out to turn it. When they add that, I may buy one. Until then, I will love my Blackstone pizza grill to make awesome pizzas!
I make at least two pizzas per week in my Roccbox, and I *love* it. On gas, you can use them indoors if you have decent ventilation.
Great video Kenji! I would say the benefit of using a really dry wood is that the by product of methane combustion is water so you can get a less crispy base for this reason!
Hi, nice video I bought oonia koda 16, earlier for a year I used small Koda and I will tell you I'm disappointed with the temperature that koda 16 reaches. Ooni advertise it exactly the same as smaller versions but the small version after 20 minutes reaches 500 degrees Celsius in the middle/center of the stone while the large version only heats up to 341 degrees. After over an hour of heating it reaches 400-410 and this is max. I was warming it up for another hour but the temperature did not rise. After an hour and a half I found the hottest place on the stone. This is the left corner next to the heaters and even after such a long time, the stone did not reach 500 degrees Celsius In this area(I skip the fact that pizza is not baked here because it is not physically possible ). 489.7 degrees is the highest temperature I could measure In the corner spot... I also want to emphasize that I carry out tests at my film studio 2000 square meters with the necessary precautions. Thanks to this, the oven is not affected by external conditions such as wind or lower temperature. I don't even want to think about what happens when I do a similar test in the garden. what temperatures did you manage to reach in it? because the ones I measured are far from what they advertised.
SZ3SNASCI3 I think the Onni 16 can not bake more than one pizza, when you take one hour to rise the temperature to over 400 degrees, and u will lost all of energy after u baked one pizza, also the bottom stone is too thin, there are no place to restore heats .
Do you find yourself cooking with wood for pizza and other foods worth while? Example meats and fish. Trying to decide whether Roccbox, koda, and the new Ooni Karu. Truly appreciate your thorough, concise, an real review.
I love my Roccbox but the increased size of that Koda is making me want one.
I see you also have the Kettle Pizza accessory for the Weber Kettle grill. I've seen you do grilled pizza on the Weber, but I'm not sure I've seen you use the Kettle Pizza before. I assume maybe with these two gas powered pizza ovens you have it's more convenient than setting up the Kettle Pizza?
Great guide. I have the ooni karu and it can take 15mins to heat up and not 45mins.
Only if you don’t mind your bottom crust a little underdone. You can’t heat up a stone adequately in 15 minutes no matter what oven you have. Heat doesn’t travel through it fast enough.
J. Kenji López-Alt thanks.
Great now I want pizza for breakfast.
Toss a half cooked egg on it before it goes into the oven and make a breakfast pizza!
Could you do a video on your same day dough? Love all the content.
this is what i’ve been waiting for
It looks amazing but I think you should hydrate the dough a little bit more as this kind of pizza should be easily foldable and when you lifted it to show the bottom part, it looked like it is a bit too crunchy to really look like the neapolitan but anyway fantastic.. the colors look outstanding. You could also try the electric oven: effeuno p134h. But I would anyway like to enjoy some of your pizza
more pizza content pls. these two ovens are great.
I have both.. I now only use my Roccbox... I use the ooni only when we have a lot of dinner guests, and need both. I am buying the new Gozney "Dome" soon.
Learned something new...wood does not add much flavor in 90 seconds of cooking. Thanks Chef!
I love your recipes, I have your book and I'm a fan. I don't like the first person video thing though - it's really hard for me to watch it because of the rapid movement but I have to admit, I'm older and haven't played a bunch of first person shooters since the first generation Call of Duty so maybe its just too bad for me. No problem, but if you could consider just adding a static camera focused on the pizza oven as you have in this video for your regular kitchen-based videos as an alternative - that would be cool. Appreciate all you are doing - nothing wrong with eating well during a pandemic!
Beautiful stretch and nice patty. You even have dough trays, I thought I was the only one that had some in a home scenario. Lift that bad boy up and hold it over that flame and get that bottom char- yess. Not to shabby, Kenji. As always I’m left impressed. My friends and girlfriend are tired of me sharing your videos lol.
Great video Kenji, love the perspective from the head cam!
Never been a fan of gas but that Ooni looks like a beast
I think you should cook with the ooni 16 for a little while and give a full more complete review without the overly char . Love your videos !
A customer has the new Ooni and loves it. Set on the counter next to the built-in grill of the outdoor kitchen.
Nice review. I'd love to see your unbiased review of the OONI Fyra that uses wood pellets. It seems like an ingenious system. Seems easy to light and maintain the fire, but I'm only speaking from what I've seen on the manufacturer videos.
hey, I have the OOni Fyra 16 that can do gas or wood. It's great, and the insulation is top notch, it has a digital thermometer and the chimney. I've gotten it to 950 * with wood. The thing is, if you are at that 900* + range, your pizza will cook in 60 seconds. If you go longer you will burn the crap out of it. Do NOT get distracted. I'd say Kenji was at 750-850 in this video when he cooked the two pies based on that cook time. of 2 minutes. The Fyra also has a door, which definitely keeps the temp up. You can also close the stack and increase the amount of smoke for a minute which can help add the smokiness to the pie. It was on 4 month back order, which was a bummer.
One more thing is, temping the oven with wood goes through a fair bit of wood. The small chunks you use burn quickly. Also, you need to time the temp peak if you are cooking with wood as the temp can go up or down pretty quick at the peak temp range. It heats up real fast. I feel like the convenience of the gas is worth the extra cost of the gas adapter. IT's just easier to keep consistent.
What temp did you set the ovens to and how long did you preheat them? I'm a roccbox owner in part from your review a couple years ago. Cheers, keep up the great content and stay safe!
he mentioned he preheated for 45 min
Hello Fellow Roccbox owner because of Kenji video a few years ago!
Hi. With Neapolitan style pizza you want either oven as hot as possible. So crank it to full and let it go for 20-30 mins to heat up the stone. Then launch your pizza and turn every 30 secs
@@KiiwehGFX You'll burn the shit out of your pizza if you turn it every 30 seconds on full flame in the roccbox.
TheSyntheticOmega 30 seconds is a rough estimate from initial pizza launch, of course you would have to keep eyes on the pizza and turn accordingly.
What table are you using? The table under the ooni and rocbox looks great and has good working room and hooks to hang accessories.
Your name genuinely sounds like a saxophone model lol (loving the daily uploads btw)
thanks for being real and showing the burned one anyway:D
Kenji, can you put out of a video talking about the stone temperature and the upper flame temperature? Logic would say that there is some perfect sweet spot of temperature differential. A lot of scientific variables that go into it and this is right up your sweet spot. Sort of a randomized controlled pizza study very similar to what you did with hard-boiled eggs.
These are not as expensive as I was expecting... hmm... I don't make pizza that often but I kind of want one now.
Having a Neopolitan pizza dough recipe video from the Kenji Lopez-Alt himself would be extremely dope! I watch italian pizzaiolis and still get it wrong somehow. Cheers from Ballard.
Unrelated question, is there any benefit to browning my chicken before making stock? Also those pizzas looking amazing.
Browning protein before making stock results in a darker, more intense stock, IIRC from one of his older videos.
Sometimes it's what you want. It'll create a different, darker stock. A unbrowned chicken stock is lighter in color and in taste. Sometimes that's what you want. Most of the time I prefer stock from browned meats.
Thanks for the responses!
@@ndookie depends on what you're using the stock for. Used in recipes with more 'robust' flavours I'd say brown the chicken.
Even if you don't brown the whole chicken make sure to roast the bones, it makes a world of difference!
You never said why you like the Ooni better than the Roccbox? I think the Roccbox is better built & will last longer! Nevertheless both cook pizza & that’s the real goal
Little trick I learned, if you put basil on first, cover it with the cheese so it doesnt burn
Damn, I'm loving the recent string of pizza episodes.
My work gave me an Ooni 3 pellet fed pizza oven as a Christmas gift. Best gift I've ever received but I suck super hard at using it. Still trying to get it right.
Great video guy! It looks like the Ooni is easier to clean as the stone is removable? Also, the stone would be usable in your kitchen oven as well but confirm? Giving us actual temperatures would have been a bonus but well done sir. I'm opting for the Ooni.
What dough recipe did you use? Like how these turned out for a same-day dough.
I'd like to know also
Me too :)
What I've found with my oven pizza stone: they take many pizzas in order to build a layer of pizza stuff burnt onto it permanently. After it gets "seasoned", your pizzas will come out beautifully coloured on the bottom. And, as always, every oven and every pizza oven is different and you have to learn that individual oven. For my oven which is sadly limited to 550° Fahrenheit, 9 minutes on the stone after an hour preheating followed by 1-2 minutes on broil makes the "perfect" oven pizza... Nothing is as truly perfect as the perfection of a true wood fired pizza oven though. But I can get close to halfway there (and I'm excellent at pizza). Btw: measure in grams, not volume for pizza dough. Also, cold ferment at least 24 hours in olive oil followed by a second ferment at room temperature after kneading the dough and reworking it with flour. You won't be disappointed.
I've always wanted one of these, just need a yard.
Or a balcony, or a driveway...
What's your same-day Neopolitan dough recipe?
Standard: OO pizza flour, 65% hydration, 2-3% salt, 1-2% yeast. Either stand mixer or food processor. I prefer food processor. Let rise at room temp covered for 5-6 hours, ball up, let rise again for 1.5-3 hours, stretch and bake!
Just finished an Ooni Karu pizza...
Beautiful.
Ka-ching! I've been thinking about buying a Koda and this sent me over the edge- I'm going there.
(the embellishment of spinning the peel reminds me of marching band ... TRRP! ("To the right, right pinwheel!"))
Thanks Kenji! I would love your reviews of Effeuno ovens as well (the affordable P134H or the insanely expensive Gara). They go slightly higher in temperature and are electric
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Hey!! Love your videos. My bf and I watch them all the time... any way you can do a homemade pad thai? We've followed two separate recipes and still haven't gotten close.
Good review, thank you! You’re a cool guy
They both look great! Could you share the dough recipe pls?
Great comparison. They both seem to be very close. Which one to buy seems even harder now!
The pizza bottoms could have a different finish on the bottom if the stone wasnt allowed to come to temperature... but good video...