In the movie there was a storyboarded scene where Sauron grabs Gil-Galad by the throat and lifts him up with his Ringed hand, and with his sorcery sets Gil-Galad on fire, killing him. The idea was that Sauron was going to do the same to Isildur, and that that's why you see him stretch out his hand towards him, which gave Isildur the opportunity to cut off his fingers. Woulda been a cool scene I think.
@phj223, I did know that Sauron typically killed with his lava hands, but this about the movie I had never heard before. That's actually kinda epic!!!!
What a chad, choking someone out with a hand burning hot like the forge But I will say they do Isildur better in the movies, not him just sneaking up and stealing the ring while Sauron's down and out.
@@thegreyhavens167- Bro don't be an idiot. This wasn't some choice Jackson made it was literally the only thing they could do that would make sense and be *seen* and not told which is the prinary thing movie goers complain about: too much explanatory dialogue
Well, that and the form Elendil and Gil-Galad fought was not his actual body. Sauron lost his physical body at least twice that i know of. Once to Luthien, and then in the Fall of Numenor.😂
There is no evidence in the books that Sauron wore any armor or wield any type of weapon. Sauron was less of a battle commander, rather he was more of a necromancer and magic user. This was evident in his ability of shape shift into various forms including a vampire and werewolf. This was also why Gothmog the Balrog was Morgoth’s chief battle commander, instead of Sauron. In fact, the way Gil-galad was killed proved that Sauron did not have any armor. Sauron killed Gil-galad with his bare hands; the heat of his hands literally burned the elven king alive. Isildur described in his scroll that Sauron’s hand was black yet burned like fire, which means that at the very least, Isildur witnessed Sauron’s bare hands and that Sauron did not wear any gauntlet. There was also zero mention of Isildur removing any armor of the fallen Dark Lord before cutting the ring from his finger. Elrond just said Isildur cut the ring from Sauron’s hand. The depiction of Sauron in the movies was a knockoff of his master, Morgoth, who was depicted wearing an armor and wielding Grond, Hammer of the Underworld; a great mace that he famously used to fight Fingolfin with. “The Ring misseth, maybe, the heat of Sauron’s hand, which was black and yet burned like fire, and so Gil-galad was destroyed;” - The Fellowship of the Ring. Book 2. Chapter 2: The Council of Elrond - “I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own.” - The Fellowship of the Ring. Book 2. Chapter 2: The Council of Elrond -
Evelyn, LOVE this comment! 100% agree. In the films, I feel like they took Sauron's look directly from that John Howe painting of Morgoth vs Fingolfin (what an epic scene in the book!). I kinda get it, as they decided in the movie to make "the ring" have a personality and be the villain, instead of Sauron, so a faceless dark threat where all you see if the ring makes sense I guess if that's your goal?? But if you showed a super cool Sauron without significant armor at the beginning, using lava hands and intelligence to fight, then maybe it would have been easier to show him later as a "person" instead of an eyeball? Which could have been nice.
Perhaps it's not accurate to the books...but it's part of why I love Peter Jackson's trilogy. Sauron and his armaments are fucking iconic despite only having like a minute of screentime in physical form.
@@KaaneDragonShinobi....are they? No one thinks about him at all other than a giant eye that makes literally no sense and has nothing to do with anything
Outside his armor? I always thought that was his actual skin. The dude was scary as hell when I first saw him as a kid that i thought he was a monster. LOL
@jasonlor734, never thought of it that way, that's scary as hell! I love the idea that maybe the suit is empty. It's just a faceless, voiceless, terror... All makes sense in the movie sense seeing how the ring was the villain, and not really Sauron. I would have liked a Sauron in the movie maybe, but cant argue that the ring was an outstanding bad guy. It was like an evil weapon of mass destruction that they carried around with them... just waiting for it to blow up in their faces. Really smart in my humble opinion. What did you think?
In the beginning, Sauron was a shapeshifter who could take different forms depending on his need. He switched between a very bulky man (tall but not gigantic), a werewolf and a vampire. When he posed as Annatar or was captured by Numenorians, his form was downright beautiful. However, after the destruction of Numenor and his first death, he seems to have lost the shapeshifting ability and permanently looked like a monster. I personally think this is why he wore a face-concealing helmet. When Sauron was killed by Gil-Galad and Elendil and lost the Ring to Isildur, he became unable to assume physical form. One inconsistency is Gollum's description of "four fingers on his black hand", but this is where the idea of a hollow animated armor manages to explain it.
@@Nethan2000nah the numenorians got catfished by a femboy. And, again, I'm pretty sure Sauron doesn't wear armour, it was an addition by Peter Jackson
I always figured Sauron had a wraith-like form inside of the armor, so there's nothing solid for the ring to hold onto inside. I'm pretty sure the Nazgul wear their rings outside of their gauntlets, too, so it would make sense.
due to Frodo just disappearing i was always thinking the Ring-wraiths are not ghosts or anything like this but actual beings of flesh which were just invisible (as i was simply thinking that is a trope for all the rings made by sauron...by that time i was thinking HE made the rings of men and dwarves and elves just made their own as they wanted power,but not willing to be tied to sauron as a backlash)
@r3l1csvk I thought only Hobbits turn invisible when they put on the ring? Also, have you played Shadow of Mordor/War? The Nazgul definitely seem to be shown as more non-corporeal in those games
@@gitmoyt yap the games,it was in 2017 when i was done playing mmorpgs and nostalgic titles only and after seing that 16-minute gameplay of War i did an upgrade enbling me to play it on fullest possible settings (did so on summer,while the game released in october,so had plenty of time to play Mordor and other games when it been shown i still have time to kill til War´s release,so i finally jumped into rebooted Doom and Carmageddon: Max Damage,an improved and tweaked Carmageddon Reincarnation a reboot of that series)
@@scleless1342 Nazgul is almost literal translation from black speech ring wraith. Nazg means ring in black speech. "Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul...". and gûl is wraith. Just the extra "g" is dropped out.
Dude, your right! I mean honestly a better course of action would be to use the other hand, you know the one with the giant spikey ball of instant death!
Well at least if he wears it beneath the armor his enemies wont be able to tell WHICH finger the ring is on. Theyd be playing russian roulette trying to hack off fingers with a 10% chance at success lol.
The movies have to change some things. I think it actually makes sense for him to wear it proud. It shows him with his ultimate power. He feels invincible and proudly displays his ultimate weapon, with his arrogance ultimately leading to his weakness.
I actually agree. I know I'm picking on the movie a bit, but just having some fun 😄. I agree with you, it was the right move. I sorta feel that the bad guy in the movie isn't Sauron (he's absent really?). The bad guy is the ring. So you should show the bad guy beating people up. The armour is essentially empty, in a weird way, and what's inside is unimportant. Also, gotta show off that mad drip fashion!!!
That's super insightful. Great comment!! I can see the symmetry there between the two ring bearers and how it ultimately dominated their life story. Kinda makes Bilbo's finding it on the ground seem more profound, somehow.
You can definitely tell in so many parts of those movies that they were taking a story that could easily fill 12 movies into three (lotr alone without the Hobbit or simmerilan etc.)
@theJukeboxHero40 , well said 🤣 I know I am poking fun at the movie a bit here, but honestly when folks ask me what the most impressive thing in the trilogy is the Prologue is always something I mention. Such amazingly efficient and focused storytelling... it's a MASTERCLASS in storytelling!!!! I like the hobbit movies as well... but I feel this is one of the things that missing there. They just seem to wander a bit from story to story and dont have that amazing efficiency and organization.
I had always assumed that Sauron had kind of become a ghostly malevolence almost more like an elemental being rather then a mortal one. I figured the suit gave him form and allowed him to wear the ring…
When he griefed Numenor by trolling them into pissing off god, his body was destroyed and then he regenerated, but he lost his fair form forever and the ability to shape-shift. He's very much a physical being and not just a spirit.
@@Charles-A - ! Thank you! You picked exactly the passage that I see now I misunderstood or at least interpreted uniquely. I pictured “Lost his fair form and was unable to shapeshift” as being kind of a smoky humanoid form, with the smoke emanating from an obscured great eye. Basically I pictured him as a Beholder enshrouded in black smoke shaped a mostly humanoid, but not very physical form. So the ring going over the armor wasn’t anything I questioned. But I can’t believe you found the exact passage I was remembering. In my defense I was a child when my folk read the Silmarillion to me, and most of my understanding of this book is through a kid’s eyes. I liked D&D a lot as a kid so I guess what I pictured comes as much from that too. Cheers mate!
I always assumed that Sauron's armored look in the movie was his actual form at the time, made even more evident by how his "flesh" crumbles away like coal
Let's be honest; that's a big ass ring if it fits over the armor. Plus, when you're a Demigod BBEG, you probably aren't expecting the MC to roll a Nat20 'Hail Mary' reaction strike.
Sorry friend..... But we just don't have the same sense of humor if you don't find that super over dramatic Halbrand stare directly up into the camera CRAZY HILARIOUS!!! 🤣. I lmao every time!!! 🤣🤣🤣. It's soooo funny!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Same reason Frodo keeps waving the Ring around where anyone can see it, despite it supposedly being secret. PJ has this idea that the audience has to see the Ring or else they'd forget about it. So Sauron had to wear the Ring where everyone can see it so they'll understand that it's been cut off. (Personally, I don't think audiences are that stupid, but it's not my film.)
@@thegreyhavens167 Yes, it's why expecting a film to be just like the book is futile. They are not the same art form; they go about things in very different ways. The best way to look at it, I think, as how Jonathan Safran Foer put it after seeing Liev Schreiber's film of his book _Everything Is Illuminated:_ "I made a painting, and Liev made a sculpture, but they both depict the same thing." That is exactly right - they can never be exactly the same, but they can interpret the same idea. Fewer fans would tie themselves in knots if they could just look at it that way, I believe. :)
To be fair, that clip of Sauron wielding his mace and sweeping everyone aside and then Isildur swiping the broken Narsil, cutting the ring from Sauron who recoils back in slow mition before retracting all the mists into him and then exploding them to the four winds as he goes supernova is pure cinematic art and genius! All in the first 5 minutes of the movie? A+ filmmaking
@@jefffinkbonner9551 Oh, it's a great scene. I love the prologue; it's magnificent and magnificently efficient. But when you look at it logically, it's pretty stupid of Sauron to wear the Ring right out where anybody can see it. The move is a purely cinematic one, and PJ explains his thinking in the DVD commentary.
So isildur falling on his ass and cutting Sauron 's fingers while yelling "nyaahhh" is better than a massive 2v1 fight with magic and weapons ? Come on now lol
Sauron physical body was destroyed when Númenor was destroyed. This is also why he lost the ability to shape-shifting into other forms. He reformed and the suit of armor just holds his corporeal form. Even after frodo destroys the ring he isn't dead just majority of all his power was in the ring leaving him so weakened he won't be able to take any form now.
In the movies I think his armor isn't actually armor but his terrifying form in the books. The Silmallarion says Sauron had a fair form (Annatar Lord of Gifts) and a terrifying form. So if it's armor tho why does his spirit in the hobbit also have the armor if it wasn't his body. When Sauron gets his hand cut my isildur there's no blood and his finger crumbles to ashes when isildur grabs the ring
Hey that's actually a good theory! I like that a lot. I'm going to give that some real thought. Thanks! Also to me the movie's look is based on the look of Morgoth and not Sauron, but hey, if your gonna copy another look might as well copy the best one, right?
@snepping1885 thanks for the comment.. that is well said. I def get where you are coming from, and that's great feedback. Some other sites that I really like do this really really well (Men of the West, the Broken Sword). But for me, personally, I am just trying to make videos that make me laugh 😅. While I love the super talented fan art, it's just not... funny to me? But you make a good point. I am going to give it some thought and see if I can use it differently. Thanks again!
Interesting, thank you for sharing, yet I think I like the version in the movie better. Otherwise it makes Isildur look like a scavenger more than Warrior desperate to avenge his father.
@theoutlook55, I sort of agree with you :) Movie Isildur seems like a good guy trying to protect his father who kinda gets a lucky shot on Sauron. Book Isildur is just taking a trophy. ＼（〇_ｏ）／
@naborNabokova, great question. The answer is a little deep, but I will try to be short: * The ring is powered by a chunk of Sauron's spirit * When you wear it, if you know how to do it, you get this chunk's powers * You become a "you/Sauron" hybrid - part physical you, and part the spirit of Sauron - in the spirit world. * His spirit is so much bigger than you though, so you are like 1% you and 99% his spirit * So your basically in the spirit world now, which is invisible to most people in the physical world. 😅 OK, so to answer your question: Folks like Sauron, Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel are already in both the physical world and spirit world at the same time. So when they wear rings, they do not turn invisible. What do you think? Make sense?
I don't know what to tell you.... If you don't think that super dramatic Halbrand stare directly into the camera is crazy HILARIOUS, we just don't have the same sense of humor. I lmao every time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. It's soooooo funny!!!! I'm literally giggling right now just thinking about it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just having a bit of fun with it 😁. I personally find it to be hilarious that I can mix LOTR with Star Wars, Mortal Kombat, Elden Ring, Skyrim, and GoT ... but the only one I get called out is usually is RoP 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Or.... Fashion? I mean you got a sweet piece of cool jewelry you want to show it off, right? Gotta get that drip game going. :) (Can you imagine a fashionista Sauron showing off his new armor to Orcs in Bara-dur? I would pay to see that movie!
Michael, interesting thought. That's how I feel about the Nazgul... no form. They need special robes and gauntlets so they can hold stuff, open a door, ride a horse, etc. But I think most people feel Sauron is not this way. Smeagol says he met Sauron and he has hands and such, and that one is even still missing a finger. What do you think?
Elendil and Gil-Galad killed Sauron, didn't just severely wound him. Isildur cut the Ring off his body. Also, Sauron knows there is no point to jewelry if you don't flaunt it for all to see.
C T, I absolutely love the idea of Sauron as a fashionista! Walking down a catwalk showing off his new drip. Constantly upset at Nazgul and Orcs for dressing poorly. Hilarious! I gotta politely challenge on your first point. I think the book says that E+G "threw him down", and then Isilduir took a finger and that "vanquished his spirit". I will see if I can get a chance to read it tomorrow... been a bit. My interpretation of that is that swords and such can't really "kill" him, but losing the ring is what did it. Not 100% sure about that though... as always lots of way to interpret Tolkien's flowery language.
Visual story telling is a key element. His hand would have still been cut off regardless, but the big glowing orange ring signals to the audience "This is important to his power"
No one ever mentions the rings changing ability, I mean, Sauron was a giant, and Frodo was a hobbit, yet it fit them both. So the One ring grows and shrinks to accommodate it's owner.
True point. Great comment. In the book Bilbo specifically tells us it shrinks and enlarges. That's how people keep losing the darn thing... it enlarges so it can fall off.
It's because Sauron IS NOT "wearing" armor, he isn't "wearing" anything in the sense we do! He has clothed himself wearing in a shape of his desired appearance, as all Ainur are able to do.
@@IchWerSont the quote is roughly "He forever lost the ability to take a fair seeming form". I think that means he can look as evil as he wishes but not good. In any case, I was thinking more that it's not strictly prohibited, because it he definitely doesn't appear in late 16th century plate harness in the books!
🤣 I take it you are a ROP hater maybe? Gotta say I think that shot of Sauron is SOOOO funny. I just laugh my butt off everything I see that super dramatic clip. Its priceless!!! 🤣
Why? Because Peter Jackson had 5 seconds to "Show-don't tell" storytelling Sauron with the ring fighting in the old days and the pre-action of the movie is narrated to set the stage for the resulting films.
I mean wearing it inside his armor wouldn’t have protected his fingers, and it’s not like isildur was aiming for cutting the fingers off anyways he was just lashing out in a panic
I always thought the one ring should've been a bracelet on the Hobbits and two fingers for humans seeing how big Sauron was before he became a flaming eyeball. It's still a great book/movie.
Tolkien specifically tells us that the ring was designed with an auto-size sizing function.... built in from the start! 🤷 It can change size at will. This is it's primary way of escaping from ring bearers it doesn't like. It grows in size to slip off the finger 😎
Aw yeah!!! Thanks! Honestly, I think there are two things I learned from your comment 1) I can't believe anyone recognized it. Well played!!!! 2) yeah we both spent waaaaay too much time playing Skyrim. If only we had used our powers for good 🤣🤣🤣
Because they showed a glimpse of the battle of last alliance they crammed a lot of back story stuff in like 5 mins (which by the way that intro was legendary). They just couldn’t show elendil and Gil Galad vs sauron and isildur just taking the ring off him the way it was portrayed in the books as it would have taken too much time. Tbh the way they did it worked and is quite iconic too. Maybe is Amazon’s Rings of Power was actually good and not total trash they could do a decent job on portraying this but the show will probably be cancelled by then lol
I agree with a lot of that. (save the Rings of Power bit, which I personally really liked) Of course I am making fun of the movie a bit... but I personally think the Prologue is SUPER SUPER IMPRESSIIVE.. It's just crazy they were able to get that much story into such a small, yet exciting, bit of film!!! It's just super efficient storytelling. I think the prologue is one of the most impressive things in the whole trilogy!
I read the fellowship probably 20 years ago now. But i dont remember him describing Sauron wearing any armor at all. I do remember him grabbing one of them and burning him alive though. Would have been cool to see on screen since Sauron is mostly just described by others. All we see of him is a big eye and a creepy voice.
Yeah, the books never say what any of them were wearing or anything. But I also always imagined it that he was not wearing any armor at all... just walked out there in regular clothes and no weapons like a LEGEND!!!
This really didn't explain much. If you look at the armor, the gauntlets were clearly constructed after the ring. This design made it impossible to remove the ring without removing or destroying the gauntlets. Basically, it was more physically secure. Also, the ring underneath the gauntlet wouldn't feel as good.
In the lore there are hints that more than just Gil galad and elendil fought him, I believe it mentioned cirdan, Elrond and isildur, so it might have actually been 5 v 1
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You forgot to mention that before that Sauron had almost singelhandidly driven the last allience back to the black gate
Do we know where sauron goes after the events of return of the king? Does he go to the halls of Mandos to kept like melkor or something elsem
You didn't answer the question tho.
I just wanted the answer to the question YOU posted...
You didn’t even really explain why the ring is outside the armor in this video…
In the movie there was a storyboarded scene where Sauron grabs Gil-Galad by the throat and lifts him up with his Ringed hand, and with his sorcery sets Gil-Galad on fire, killing him. The idea was that Sauron was going to do the same to Isildur, and that that's why you see him stretch out his hand towards him, which gave Isildur the opportunity to cut off his fingers. Woulda been a cool scene I think.
@phj223, I did know that Sauron typically killed with his lava hands, but this about the movie I had never heard before. That's actually kinda epic!!!!
Coulda been in the extended edition!
@@thegreyhavens167somewhere on the internet is a picture of peter jacksons sauron holding gil galad in one hand burning him
What a chad, choking someone out with a hand burning hot like the forge
But I will say they do Isildur better in the movies, not him just sneaking up and stealing the ring while Sauron's down and out.
There was also the scene of sauron making the ring and it formed on his finger outside the armor
He wears it outside his armor for one simple reason. Drip.
It's a nice ring. You would want to show it off. 😎
would be really hard to see it on screen if it was under his gauntlet
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@@thegreyhavens167That is literally the hubris of Sauron.
Yeah like cum drip
"Removes any armor"
Dude just stripped Sauron naked for no reason
Sono, you had to make it weird..... 🤣🤣🤣
He must play Skyrim, hard habit to undo.
Loot is loot.
Naaww, he looted the armor, but then he realized the enchantments on it were garbage and just left it.
Yeah 😞……
He wears the ring outside the armour in the movies so the audience can see it.
Sooo .... your suggesting that Sauron knows he's in a movie??? 🤔🤔 :)
They’ve hit the nail on the head, and Sauron is doing what he is told. 😋
@@thegreyhavens167- Bro don't be an idiot. This wasn't some choice Jackson made it was literally the only thing they could do that would make sense and be *seen* and not told which is the prinary thing movie goers complain about: too much explanatory dialogue
Well, that and the form Elendil and Gil-Galad fought was not his actual body. Sauron lost his physical body at least twice that i know of. Once to Luthien, and then in the Fall of Numenor.😂
@@thegreyhavens167dude, you just fell from the r³tàrd³d tree and hit every branch on the way down. Well done. 👏👏👏
There is no evidence in the books that Sauron wore any armor or wield any type of weapon. Sauron was less of a battle commander, rather he was more of a necromancer and magic user. This was evident in his ability of shape shift into various forms including a vampire and werewolf. This was also why Gothmog the Balrog was Morgoth’s chief battle commander, instead of Sauron.
In fact, the way Gil-galad was killed proved that Sauron did not have any armor. Sauron killed Gil-galad with his bare hands; the heat of his hands literally burned the elven king alive. Isildur described in his scroll that Sauron’s hand was black yet burned like fire, which means that at the very least, Isildur witnessed Sauron’s bare hands and that Sauron did not wear any gauntlet. There was also zero mention of Isildur removing any armor of the fallen Dark Lord before cutting the ring from his finger. Elrond just said Isildur cut the ring from Sauron’s hand.
The depiction of Sauron in the movies was a knockoff of his master, Morgoth, who was depicted wearing an armor and wielding Grond, Hammer of the Underworld; a great mace that he famously used to fight Fingolfin with.
“The Ring misseth, maybe, the heat of Sauron’s hand, which was black and yet burned like fire, and so Gil-galad was destroyed;”
- The Fellowship of the Ring. Book 2. Chapter 2: The Council of Elrond -
“I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own.”
- The Fellowship of the Ring. Book 2. Chapter 2: The Council of Elrond -
Evelyn, LOVE this comment! 100% agree.
In the films, I feel like they took Sauron's look directly from that John Howe painting of Morgoth vs Fingolfin (what an epic scene in the book!). I kinda get it, as they decided in the movie to make "the ring" have a personality and be the villain, instead of Sauron, so a faceless dark threat where all you see if the ring makes sense I guess if that's your goal??
But if you showed a super cool Sauron without significant armor at the beginning, using lava hands and intelligence to fight, then maybe it would have been easier to show him later as a "person" instead of an eyeball? Which could have been nice.
Perhaps it's not accurate to the books...but it's part of why I love Peter Jackson's trilogy. Sauron and his armaments are fucking iconic despite only having like a minute of screentime in physical form.
@@KaaneDragonShinobi....are they? No one thinks about him at all other than a giant eye that makes literally no sense and has nothing to do with anything
@@dissraps perhaps not to you but to others, yes.
Thank you, Evelyn! So many people just wilding & making things up. Thank you for taking the time to set things straight.
Gil-galad and Elendil took down the raid boss and Isildur just ninja-looted like the loot goblin he was.
in books, Isildur was a amazing dude... Jackson did him dirty lol
Hey now, loot goblins can be pretty cool to.
Well they were dead so technically he didn't ninja loot. As a ninja looter loots while the others are alive before they have a chance.
@@jaxzor idk man....in the books he seems like a loser.
Outside his armor? I always thought that was his actual skin. The dude was scary as hell when I first saw him as a kid that i thought he was a monster. LOL
@jasonlor734, never thought of it that way, that's scary as hell!
I love the idea that maybe the suit is empty. It's just a faceless, voiceless, terror...
All makes sense in the movie sense seeing how the ring was the villain, and not really Sauron. I would have liked a Sauron in the movie maybe, but cant argue that the ring was an outstanding bad guy. It was like an evil weapon of mass destruction that they carried around with them... just waiting for it to blow up in their faces. Really smart in my humble opinion.
What did you think?
In the beginning, Sauron was a shapeshifter who could take different forms depending on his need. He switched between a very bulky man (tall but not gigantic), a werewolf and a vampire. When he posed as Annatar or was captured by Numenorians, his form was downright beautiful. However, after the destruction of Numenor and his first death, he seems to have lost the shapeshifting ability and permanently looked like a monster. I personally think this is why he wore a face-concealing helmet.
When Sauron was killed by Gil-Galad and Elendil and lost the Ring to Isildur, he became unable to assume physical form. One inconsistency is Gollum's description of "four fingers on his black hand", but this is where the idea of a hollow animated armor manages to explain it.
@@Nethan2000nah the numenorians got catfished by a femboy. And, again, I'm pretty sure Sauron doesn't wear armour, it was an addition by Peter Jackson
Yeh I always thought of his body just an ethereal form made manifest.
Its the Darth Vader effect. The armor looks scary and badass until it is removed and the guy inside is fragil as hell
I always figured Sauron had a wraith-like form inside of the armor, so there's nothing solid for the ring to hold onto inside. I'm pretty sure the Nazgul wear their rings outside of their gauntlets, too, so it would make sense.
due to Frodo just disappearing i was always thinking the Ring-wraiths are not ghosts or anything like this but actual beings of flesh which were just invisible (as i was simply thinking that is a trope for all the rings made by sauron...by that time i was thinking HE made the rings of men and dwarves and elves just made their own as they wanted power,but not willing to be tied to sauron as a backlash)
@r3l1csvk I thought only Hobbits turn invisible when they put on the ring? Also, have you played Shadow of Mordor/War? The Nazgul definitely seem to be shown as more non-corporeal in those games
@@gitmoyt yap the games,it was in 2017 when i was done playing mmorpgs and nostalgic titles only and after seing that 16-minute gameplay of War i did an upgrade enbling me to play it on fullest possible settings (did so on summer,while the game released in october,so had plenty of time to play Mordor and other games when it been shown i still have time to kill til War´s release,so i finally jumped into rebooted Doom and Carmageddon: Max Damage,an improved and tweaked Carmageddon Reincarnation a reboot of that series)
Well, they dont call the Nazgul "ring wraiths" for nothing. A wraith is a spectral//ghostly being.
@@scleless1342 Nazgul is almost literal translation from black speech ring wraith. Nazg means ring in black speech. "Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul...". and gûl is wraith. Just the extra "g" is dropped out.
**pesky little Isildur loots his armor**
“You are carrying too much to be able to run”
🤣🤣 No wonder he sunk and drowned!!
Yes! 💪😂👍
@@thegreyhavens167He couldn't fast travel either
He's a craftsman's at heart and like to show everyone his work
The ring is also, above all else, a symbol of power and Authority-it needs to be seen.
It literally isnt.
Its quite the opposite.
As a piece of jewelry a ring is a symbol of servitude and devotion.
@@NervozniZivota what the fuck are you talking about. We arent talking about wedding rings m8
I always assumed that it wasn't really armor, but just the form he took to intimidate others.
Isildur showed Sauron what happens if you fall asleep first on the sleepover.
Sauron was just trying to flex and got his finger chopped off.😂
@KoenigElessar -- flexing comes before a fall (I think that's in the bible or something...)
@@thegreyhavens167 similar :D
movies are about show.... hard to show when its hidden lol.
Well it wouldn't matter if Sauron wore the ring inside his armor or not. Since his armoured fingers still get cut off.
Dude, your right! I mean honestly a better course of action would be to use the other hand, you know the one with the giant spikey ball of instant death!
But you know what hand and finger its on
@@egbert5871 with sword THAT sharp it does not matter. He could shove it up bumhole and still would be dismembered after losing all of his limbs.
Well at least if he wears it beneath the armor his enemies wont be able to tell WHICH finger the ring is on. Theyd be playing russian roulette trying to hack off fingers with a 10% chance at success lol.
@@scleless1342 he lost 4 fingers at one time, so it would be very quick.
Imagine dying in combat and horribly wounding Sauron only for some guy to come in and strip Sauron then steal his shit
Kill:0
Assist:1
The movies have to change some things. I think it actually makes sense for him to wear it proud. It shows him with his ultimate power. He feels invincible and proudly displays his ultimate weapon, with his arrogance ultimately leading to his weakness.
I actually agree. I know I'm picking on the movie a bit, but just having some fun 😄. I agree with you, it was the right move.
I sorta feel that the bad guy in the movie isn't Sauron (he's absent really?). The bad guy is the ring. So you should show the bad guy beating people up. The armour is essentially empty, in a weird way, and what's inside is unimportant.
Also, gotta show off that mad drip fashion!!!
The sound effects make this short memorable, my friend.
Awww yeah! (ノ^_^)ノ. Thanks, I appreciate that. 😅😎
I thought his armor was his actual physical form. He didnt wear the ring on top of his armor, he was his armor.
Wow, I didnt realize Golum and Isildur got the ring in practically the same way by literally removing someone's finger to get it.
That's super insightful. Great comment!! I can see the symmetry there between the two ring bearers and how it ultimately dominated their life story. Kinda makes Bilbo's finding it on the ground seem more profound, somehow.
You can definitely tell in so many parts of those movies that they were taking a story that could easily fill 12 movies into three (lotr alone without the Hobbit or simmerilan etc.)
These videos are awesome. Keep them coming
How would you condense a seven year siege into a prologue while introducing the ring, characters, and stakes?
@theJukeboxHero40 , well said 🤣
I know I am poking fun at the movie a bit here, but honestly when folks ask me what the most impressive thing in the trilogy is the Prologue is always something I mention. Such amazingly efficient and focused storytelling... it's a MASTERCLASS in storytelling!!!!
I like the hobbit movies as well... but I feel this is one of the things that missing there. They just seem to wander a bit from story to story and dont have that amazing efficiency and organization.
Book Sauron: Cautious
Movie Sauron: *FLEX*
I had always assumed that Sauron had kind of become a ghostly malevolence almost more like an elemental being rather then a mortal one. I figured the suit gave him form and allowed him to wear the ring…
When he griefed Numenor by trolling them into pissing off god, his body was destroyed and then he regenerated, but he lost his fair form forever and the ability to shape-shift. He's very much a physical being and not just a spirit.
@@Charles-A - ! Thank you! You picked exactly the passage that I see now I misunderstood or at least interpreted uniquely. I pictured “Lost his fair form and was unable to shapeshift” as being kind of a smoky humanoid form, with the smoke emanating from an obscured great eye. Basically I pictured him as a Beholder enshrouded in black smoke shaped a mostly humanoid, but not very physical form. So the ring going over the armor wasn’t anything I questioned. But I can’t believe you found the exact passage I was remembering. In my defense I was a child when my folk read the Silmarillion to me, and most of my understanding of this book is through a kid’s eyes. I liked D&D a lot as a kid so I guess what I pictured comes as much from that too. Cheers mate!
I always assumed that Sauron's armored look in the movie was his actual form at the time, made even more evident by how his "flesh" crumbles away like coal
Let's be honest; that's a big ass ring if it fits over the armor. Plus, when you're a Demigod BBEG, you probably aren't expecting the MC to roll a Nat20 'Hail Mary' reaction strike.
The sound design in this video...I needed that laugh...😂😂😂
Awwww yeah!!!! (ノ^_^)ノ. Thanks, glad you liked it. Come back any time you want more ridiculous videos. 😅
You can not be using scenes from a amazons shit show when talking about this masterpiece
Sorry friend..... But we just don't have the same sense of humor if you don't find that super over dramatic Halbrand stare directly up into the camera CRAZY HILARIOUS!!! 🤣. I lmao every time!!! 🤣🤣🤣. It's soooo funny!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Same reason Frodo keeps waving the Ring around where anyone can see it, despite it supposedly being secret. PJ has this idea that the audience has to see the Ring or else they'd forget about it. So Sauron had to wear the Ring where everyone can see it so they'll understand that it's been cut off. (Personally, I don't think audiences are that stupid, but it's not my film.)
It's a good insight. Converting books to movies that are consumable for the largest group of people possible.... I guess you have to live with that.
@@thegreyhavens167 Yes, it's why expecting a film to be just like the book is futile. They are not the same art form; they go about things in very different ways. The best way to look at it, I think, as how Jonathan Safran Foer put it after seeing Liev Schreiber's film of his book _Everything Is Illuminated:_ "I made a painting, and Liev made a sculpture, but they both depict the same thing." That is exactly right - they can never be exactly the same, but they can interpret the same idea. Fewer fans would tie themselves in knots if they could just look at it that way, I believe. :)
yea, got to keep the kids entertained. and pot heads, drunks.
To be fair, that clip of Sauron wielding his mace and sweeping everyone aside and then Isildur swiping the broken Narsil, cutting the ring from Sauron who recoils back in slow mition before retracting all the mists into him and then exploding them to the four winds as he goes supernova is pure cinematic art and genius!
All in the first 5 minutes of the movie? A+ filmmaking
@@jefffinkbonner9551 Oh, it's a great scene. I love the prologue; it's magnificent and magnificently efficient. But when you look at it logically, it's pretty stupid of Sauron to wear the Ring right out where anybody can see it. The move is a purely cinematic one, and PJ explains his thinking in the DVD commentary.
That mortal kombat musik with the maul fight was perfect. 🤣😂🤣 (And the GTA text...
Lol that is literally WAYYYY less cool than Isildur cutting his hand off in the movie.
So isildur falling on his ass and cutting Sauron 's fingers while yelling "nyaahhh" is better than a massive 2v1 fight with magic and weapons ? Come on now lol
@@mathieuroy1301 Yes. It's way more climactic and desperate.
@@mathieuroy1301isildur just creeps up to Sauron while he’s asleep and cuts his finger off, that’s lame as hell
@@drd444More climactic and desperate than Sauron killing the two greatest warriors of their age with his bare hands?
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Sauron physical body was destroyed when Númenor was destroyed. This is also why he lost the ability to shape-shifting into other forms.
He reformed and the suit of armor just holds his corporeal form.
Even after frodo destroys the ring he isn't dead just majority of all his power was in the ring leaving him so weakened he won't be able to take any form now.
Incorrect. He lost his ability to take a fair form. He still had a body. Gollum sees him in the flesh and remarks that he still only has 9 fingers.
@@SonofSethoitae Exactly. The movie and the books portray Sauron differently. He has a physical body in the books.
the good guys are decided by perspective
its a great way to have crowds cheering for a dishonorable cheat
Amazons show should not even be used as a backdrop for lord of the rings content. It's blasphemy of the highest order.
I thought the armor was him and he was like smoke animating the armor
In the movies I think his armor isn't actually armor but his terrifying form in the books. The Silmallarion says Sauron had a fair form (Annatar Lord of Gifts) and a terrifying form. So if it's armor tho why does his spirit in the hobbit also have the armor if it wasn't his body. When Sauron gets his hand cut my isildur there's no blood and his finger crumbles to ashes when isildur grabs the ring
Hey that's actually a good theory! I like that a lot. I'm going to give that some real thought. Thanks!
Also to me the movie's look is based on the look of Morgoth and not Sauron, but hey, if your gonna copy another look might as well copy the best one, right?
It’s like putting on winter mittens. Once you get them on, it’s just too much of a hassle to take them off unless you really need to.
please don't use the show visuals
there's so many talented artists that would no doubt appreciate u showing their art instead
@snepping1885 thanks for the comment.. that is well said.
I def get where you are coming from, and that's great feedback. Some other sites that I really like do this really really well (Men of the West, the Broken Sword). But for me, personally, I am just trying to make videos that make me laugh 😅. While I love the super talented fan art, it's just not... funny to me?
But you make a good point. I am going to give it some thought and see if I can use it differently. Thanks again!
@@thegreyhavens167 and stay hydrated, this is a threat
That epic 2v1 battle of awesomness thing with Mortal Kombat over the Darth Maul fight made me roar. 😂😂😂
Awww yeah!!! (ノ^_^)ノ. Thanks!
Interesting, thank you for sharing, yet I think I like the version in the movie better. Otherwise it makes Isildur look like a scavenger more than Warrior desperate to avenge his father.
@theoutlook55, I sort of agree with you :)
Movie Isildur seems like a good guy trying to protect his father who kinda gets a lucky shot on Sauron. Book Isildur is just taking a trophy. ＼（〇_ｏ）／
You say this joke from movies is better than epic 2v1 in books? Elendil and Gil-Galad were slain in proces of slaying Sauron
@@sauron5666 Isildur took the ring to honor his father. He wasn't just scavenging. It's also possible that the ring influenced Isildur to take it.
Tolkein: *The most epic battle in LOTR history*
Peter Jackson: "bRo lOsT a fInGeR 🤡"
🤣🤣🤣 Best Comment of the Week!!! 🏆🏆🏆
That's the best description of the movies vs the books I have ever heard. I LOVE IT!!!!
Question I have - why Sauron isn't invisible while wearing the ring of power ?
@naborNabokova, great question. The answer is a little deep, but I will try to be short:
* The ring is powered by a chunk of Sauron's spirit
* When you wear it, if you know how to do it, you get this chunk's powers
* You become a "you/Sauron" hybrid - part physical you, and part the spirit of Sauron - in the spirit world.
* His spirit is so much bigger than you though, so you are like 1% you and 99% his spirit
* So your basically in the spirit world now, which is invisible to most people in the physical world.
😅 OK, so to answer your question: Folks like Sauron, Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel are already in both the physical world and spirit world at the same time. So when they wear rings, they do not turn invisible.
What do you think? Make sense?
@@thegreyhavens167 Thanks for ansering, i was wondering about that to.
I loved the street fighter music I usually hate when people add music but that was pretty good ngl lol
Bro used the disgraceful rings of power to show the characters instead of the fellowship versions
I don't know what to tell you.... If you don't think that super dramatic Halbrand stare directly into the camera is crazy HILARIOUS, we just don't have the same sense of humor. I lmao every time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. It's soooooo funny!!!! I'm literally giggling right now just thinking about it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yo the mortal kombat music had me crying 😂😂😂😂
Aw yeah!!!!! 😎
I bet those preppy "immortal" elves are super annoyed I keep playing "mortal" Kombat as their fight music!! 🤣
using RoP images doesnt seam right with acuratly describing LotR lore
Just having a bit of fun with it 😁.
I personally find it to be hilarious that I can mix LOTR with Star Wars, Mortal Kombat, Elden Ring, Skyrim, and GoT ... but the only one I get called out is usually is RoP 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@thegreyhavens167because RoP was unbelievably bad
Ok but ✨legendary battle of awesomeness✨
🤣🤣🤣🤣. There is a chance I somehow have the sense of humor of a small child 🤣🤣🤷
Because he likes his finger so he puts a ring on it. Or overconfidence, one of these. I guess.
Or.... Fashion? I mean you got a sweet piece of cool jewelry you want to show it off, right? Gotta get that drip game going. :)
(Can you imagine a fashionista Sauron showing off his new armor to Orcs in Bara-dur? I would pay to see that movie!
Isildur is essentially the dude that robs you after you get knocked out in the hood
Loved the Halbrand reveal.... am I the only one that liked Sauron in Rings of Power??
Yeah, I also thought it was well done...
Noone liked/likes rings of shit.
Never watched it, never will
Rings of Power fan here as well.
Personally, I really enjoyed the plot twists :]
Lore behind LOTR is honestly pretty crazy. Blew my mind when I read that Sauron is just an underling.
He wears it on the outside of his armor because he has no corporeal form
Michael, interesting thought. That's how I feel about the Nazgul... no form. They need special robes and gauntlets so they can hold stuff, open a door, ride a horse, etc.
But I think most people feel Sauron is not this way. Smeagol says he met Sauron and he has hands and such, and that one is even still missing a finger. What do you think?
Sauron definitely had a physical body before he lost the ring.
And after. Gollum described his hand with the missing finger.
You don't hide that level of bling
Elendil and Gil-Galad killed Sauron, didn't just severely wound him. Isildur cut the Ring off his body.
Also, Sauron knows there is no point to jewelry if you don't flaunt it for all to see.
C T, I absolutely love the idea of Sauron as a fashionista! Walking down a catwalk showing off his new drip. Constantly upset at Nazgul and Orcs for dressing poorly. Hilarious!
I gotta politely challenge on your first point. I think the book says that E+G "threw him down", and then Isilduir took a finger and that "vanquished his spirit". I will see if I can get a chance to read it tomorrow... been a bit. My interpretation of that is that swords and such can't really "kill" him, but losing the ring is what did it. Not 100% sure about that though... as always lots of way to interpret Tolkien's flowery language.
@@thegreyhavens167 For GODS sake man, don't say "Gil-GALLAD". It's not a ballad. It's Gil-Gal'ad. The a is more like an "ah" than an "a".
@@ParleLeVu No, he was vanquished. His physical body had been slain. It was done by Narsil and Aiglos
Visual story telling is a key element. His hand would have still been cut off regardless, but the big glowing orange ring signals to the audience "This is important to his power"
No one ever mentions the rings changing ability, I mean, Sauron was a giant, and Frodo was a hobbit, yet it fit them both. So the One ring grows and shrinks to accommodate it's owner.
True point. Great comment. In the book Bilbo specifically tells us it shrinks and enlarges. That's how people keep losing the darn thing... it enlarges so it can fall off.
You spoke from my heart
It's because Sauron IS NOT "wearing" armor, he isn't "wearing" anything in the sense we do! He has clothed himself wearing in a shape of his desired appearance, as all Ainur are able to do.
He isn't he supposed to have lost that ability with the fall of Numenor?
@@IchWerSont the quote is roughly "He forever lost the ability to take a fair seeming form". I think that means he can look as evil as he wishes but not good. In any case, I was thinking more that it's not strictly prohibited, because it he definitely doesn't appear in late 16th century plate harness in the books!
Im still laughing when u said that Frodo took "a long ass nap" at the Shelobs nest😅
"in the books" but then proceeds to show footage of inaccurate version of characters.
🤣 I take it you are a ROP hater maybe? Gotta say I think that shot of Sauron is SOOOO funny. I just laugh my butt off everything I see that super dramatic clip. Its priceless!!! 🤣
Why? Because Peter Jackson had 5 seconds to "Show-don't tell" storytelling Sauron with the ring fighting in the old days and the pre-action of the movie is narrated to set the stage for the resulting films.
Because Peter Jackson wants the audience to see THE BLING!
"If you can read this, you're dead."
-The Ring probably
Gotta love the double speak that they pull
The non-diegetic reason is that the film-makers wanted to emphasize the ring in the opening.
Nice to know, but I had to pay the heavy price of being reminded of Rings of Power
Sorry about that. ＼（〇_ｏ）／
I always took is as a threatening thing. Like "May this One Ring be the final thing you see before your demise".
I mean wearing it inside his armor wouldn’t have protected his fingers, and it’s not like isildur was aiming for cutting the fingers off anyways he was just lashing out in a panic
Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.
We need a weekly trainwreckords video
I always thought the one ring should've been a bracelet on the Hobbits and two fingers for humans seeing how big Sauron was before he became a flaming eyeball. It's still a great book/movie.
Tolkien specifically tells us that the ring was designed with an auto-size sizing function.... built in from the start! 🤷 It can change size at will. This is it's primary way of escaping from ring bearers it doesn't like. It grows in size to slip off the finger 😎
The skyrim new quest sound at the start made me watch the whole thing...
Aw yeah!!! Thanks!
Honestly, I think there are two things I learned from your comment 1) I can't believe anyone recognized it. Well played!!!! 2) yeah we both spent waaaaay too much time playing Skyrim. If only we had used our powers for good 🤣🤣🤣
Because they showed a glimpse of the battle of last alliance they crammed a lot of back story stuff in like 5 mins (which by the way that intro was legendary). They just couldn’t show elendil and Gil Galad vs sauron and isildur just taking the ring off him the way it was portrayed in the books as it would have taken too much time. Tbh the way they did it worked and is quite iconic too. Maybe is Amazon’s Rings of Power was actually good and not total trash they could do a decent job on portraying this but the show will probably be cancelled by then lol
I agree with a lot of that. (save the Rings of Power bit, which I personally really liked) Of course I am making fun of the movie a bit... but I personally think the Prologue is SUPER SUPER IMPRESSIIVE.. It's just crazy they were able to get that much story into such a small, yet exciting, bit of film!!! It's just super efficient storytelling.
I think the prologue is one of the most impressive things in the whole trilogy!
I read the fellowship probably 20 years ago now. But i dont remember him describing Sauron wearing any armor at all. I do remember him grabbing one of them and burning him alive though. Would have been cool to see on screen since Sauron is mostly just described by others. All we see of him is a big eye and a creepy voice.
Yeah, the books never say what any of them were wearing or anything. But I also always imagined it that he was not wearing any armor at all... just walked out there in regular clothes and no weapons like a LEGEND!!!
For ultimate and pure flex, ofc!
YOLO, bro!
Look at my swagger!
Aww yeah, now we're talking (~‾▿‾)~. Its a pretty nice ring, I would be showing it off too.
Hilarious and ironic that you use rings of power clips to describe the book version of events 😂
He wears it outside the armor for the PLOT.
I always figured it was just the way the story was passed down. Like some details get muddled and more extravagant as it is passed down.
So you can see the ring for the movie.
So you are telling me that Isildor is basically the loot ninja of Middle Earth.
Omg! Thank you. You literally explained everything in 30sec
Your welcome! Thanks for the positive vibes! 🤣🤣🤣
So, Isuldur stole a tree, a boat, and the ring... Thief prince😂
Imagine wearing his drippy armor and then a army marches past and you hear "death to Sauron!!" 😳
This really didn't explain much. If you look at the armor, the gauntlets were clearly constructed after the ring. This design made it impossible to remove the ring without removing or destroying the gauntlets. Basically, it was more physically secure. Also, the ring underneath the gauntlet wouldn't feel as good.
Tbh i never questioned this. Wearing rings under gloves is an awkward pain in the ass so it makes sense that it would the same for gauntlets.
Buddy wanted to show off his bling.
Same reason why Batman wears trunks over his dress.
Dang it thats so much better!!!! God willing I'll read the book one day.
I love the films and all, but the book version makes so much more sense.
I always thought it was because of hubris that made him wear the Ring outside of his armor. Then again I haven't read the books yet.
In the lore there are hints that more than just Gil galad and elendil fought him, I believe it mentioned cirdan, Elrond and isildur, so it might have actually been 5 v 1
Thats not what Isildur says. Cirdan and Elrond were at the battle, but there's no evidence they fought Sauron. Mostly because they aren't dead.
"removes any armor"
Bro was looting the dungeon boss .
Isildur just shows up and rolls need and jacks all the good boss equipment
I just realised Sauron is an Artificer
He is an acolyte of aluë
Vanity, he just didn’t believe there could be any threat to him. Which was his downfall.