As both a dirt bike rider and Jeeper, I totally try to be respectful of anyone else on the trail. Usually bikes can breeze through tough sections like this in a 10th the time of a group of 4x4s. But with them being beginner riders, and going right in between your winching procedure; that was pretty uncalled for. I dig your channel. Subscribed.
This video is awesome! My favorite parts are the commentary from the people. Jeff had me cracking up when you got stuck, and you were cracking me up with your singing at the end. Hahaha that was such a great day! Can’t wait to go wheeling with you again, my friend
Thank you Josh and the company for teaching us newbies to navigate through this difficult trail. I have learned a lot. Love the funny comments from Jeff and Josh’s singing. 😁
could you, probably. But I it will take some work to do it. I would also recommend being with someone very seasoned. Also going west to east will make it a little easier
likely, but some rock stacking and a great spotter might be needed. Also use tools like TrailsOffroad to help plan for the trip. FYI - stock steps won't make it. Sliders are not a bad idea either.
That is an easy problem to fix. By this point of the year, on the weekend if you just go hang out at the trailhead, I am sure you run into a group you can join.
My Jeep finally got the tick. I shut it down before ruining my cam shafts (hopefully) and bought an Altima to get from here to there. Hope new Melling rockers and lifters are all the bitch needs. I miss her...so dang much.
Yeah, factory ride height with stock tire size. But they were Rubicon's. We have taken sports and other models through this trail. It is possible as I usually teach people not to touch the locker button for the first few years. Their isn't many trails out there that require lockers.
When was the last time you did both trails? In the 90's both trails were about the same difficulty. But as time went on, JB got easier as the rock gardens either got smoother or the rocks got pushed out of the way and Holcomb center rock garden got harder as the holes got deeper and the spring now causes water to run almost year round through through this area.
@@JeepAdventures I've never done Holcomb creek. I did JB a while back ago can't remember if it was 2-3 years ago. But several guys I was with mentioned JB was harder than holcomb creek. I didn't know JB got easier will definitely have to go back to JB and also try Holcomb creek. 👍
Yeah, for the longest time, a good number of people would say John Bull was harder. I think that stemmed from back in the day on John Bull there was a spot you could rollover at in one of the corners. While Holcomb, you would have to try to roll. Also, JB had a pretty rough rock garden right at the start of the trail. Where Holdcom you had to get into the middle of the trail. Then, John Bull had a tree squeeze that did tons of damage to vehicles. So I can see how people could still think John Bull is harder. Long story short for John Bull. The roll spot is smoothed out, and vehicles are much wider and more stable, the tree squeeze on JB is now only 1 tree now as the other fell over out of the way, the gatekeeper has a smooth path right up it now, and the western gatekeeper is nothing that it used to be. The main hard spots on JB are the rock garden after the gatekeeper (I call it the second half of the gatekeeper) which is after you make the left turn, and also the other spot just up the trail people call Iron Man which is now harder, but has an easy line through it. (Does have a hard line that is pretty rough). The tree spot can still be troublesome, but nothing like it used to be, then there is the spot by the overlook (old yellow post site), but that is overall pretty easy. John Bull does have a lite dust on the rocks making them more slippery vs the dry rocks on Holcomb Creek. I still personally think the harder way to do the trail is west to east as that has gotten me in more trouble than going east to west. It is more sliding off the rocks that get me into trouble. Overall the rock sizes have stayed the same with the largest rocks you have to drive over as in the easiest line are roughly 2-foot tall. As for how Holcomb has changed over the years. The water crossing on the east side is now shallow which used to make for hours of fun and relaxation, there is a new gatekeeper rocky obstacle at the 2nd creek crossing, and there are 2 more rock gardens at creek crossings before 2n06x. The landslide changed it up, but nothing that hard nowadays. The middle rock garden is now pretty intense with the easiest line requiring you to drive over 3-foot + rocks with wet tires where it used to have a mild easier line with rocks around 2-foot. The hard-line is only gotten harder in that area. The final rock garden is the same-ish. Always changing but that was normal. Back in the day, the largest rocks were about 2 feet-ish, but the difference was the trail was wet at those rocks. Today the largest rocks you have to drive over as in the easiest line are roughly 3-foot tall and muddy and wet. But sounds like you need to get out and find out for yourself as it is much more fun to experience it yourself to figure it out. If you do, hit me up as I probably would like to join as I am aching to get out now that my arm is mostly healed.
@@JeepAdventures Thanks for the breakdown on both trails. Definitely hit you up here next time I plan a trip out to Holcomb or JB 👍 P.S. Good luck on your recovery.
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Do you want to try this trail?
Great channel. Subscribed.
Thank you !!!!
This was such a fun day. Thank you for everyone coming out. Lets go again.
Agreed
Hi Josh, I won't do a SoCal trail without watching your content first, you do a great service to the offroad community!!
Thank you for the kind words. Much appreciated.
As both a dirt bike rider and Jeeper, I totally try to be respectful of anyone else on the trail. Usually bikes can breeze through tough sections like this in a 10th the time of a group of 4x4s. But with them being beginner riders, and going right in between your winching procedure; that was pretty uncalled for.
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This video is awesome! My favorite parts are the commentary from the people. Jeff had me cracking up when you got stuck, and you were cracking me up with your singing at the end. Hahaha that was such a great day! Can’t wait to go wheeling with you again, my friend
It was a great day with some great people. It took everyone to make it a fun day.
Another great video man. Stay safe and happy trails 👣
Thank you. Thats the plan - ish.
Thank you Josh and the company for teaching us newbies to navigate through this difficult trail. I have learned a lot. Love the funny comments from Jeff and Josh’s singing. 😁
You are always welcome to come out with us. If not the friends on facebook hit me up.
Thanks Josh for his tips on idling up. I tried this technique this past weekend at Gold Mountain and it worked well. It makes a very smooth start.
I really enjoy your channel and great content
thank you for the kind words. it means a lot right now.
Krispy crème song had me rolling🤣
hahahaha
Would s stock jeep rubicon handle this trail? Love your videos
We just took that same Orange JL through the Rubicon too. Amazing what a stock Jeep can do.
@@JeepAdventures I meant rubicon gladiator
could you, probably. But I it will take some work to do it. I would also recommend being with someone very seasoned. Also going west to east will make it a little easier
I wonder if i can do this in a stock sahara with 2.5 inch lift, 33s and no lockers
likely, but some rock stacking and a great spotter might be needed. Also use tools like TrailsOffroad to help plan for the trip.
FYI - stock steps won't make it. Sliders are not a bad idea either.
Great video and hope to join you one day soon. What is the brand and model of the griddle you are cooking on?
Sounds good. the griddle is a Tembo Tusk
@@JeepAdventures Thanks and hope to meet you for a ride soon.
i didnt know there was a white mountain trail
It's a cool trail that is mild, but with great views
I live in Big Bear and I still haven't been through this trail :(
That is an easy problem to fix. By this point of the year, on the weekend if you just go hang out at the trailhead, I am sure you run into a group you can join.
My Jeep finally got the tick. I shut it down before ruining my cam shafts (hopefully) and bought an Altima to get from here to there. Hope new Melling rockers and lifters are all the bitch needs. I miss her...so dang much.
That sucks, is everything installed?
When you say stock jeeps, do you mean Rubicons with 33s?
Yeah, factory ride height with stock tire size. But they were Rubicon's. We have taken sports and other models through this trail. It is possible as I usually teach people not to touch the locker button for the first few years.
Their isn't many trails out there that require lockers.
That 395 has an Xtreme package that comes with 35s
yeah, it is pretty nice
I always thought John bull was harder than holcomb creek?
When was the last time you did both trails? In the 90's both trails were about the same difficulty. But as time went on, JB got easier as the rock gardens either got smoother or the rocks got pushed out of the way and Holcomb center rock garden got harder as the holes got deeper and the spring now causes water to run almost year round through through this area.
@@JeepAdventures I've never done Holcomb creek. I did JB a while back ago can't remember if it was 2-3 years ago. But several guys I was with mentioned JB was harder than holcomb creek. I didn't know JB got easier will definitely have to go back to JB and also try Holcomb creek. 👍
Yeah, for the longest time, a good number of people would say John Bull was harder. I think that stemmed from back in the day on John Bull there was a spot you could rollover at in one of the corners. While Holcomb, you would have to try to roll. Also, JB had a pretty rough rock garden right at the start of the trail. Where Holdcom you had to get into the middle of the trail. Then, John Bull had a tree squeeze that did tons of damage to vehicles. So I can see how people could still think John Bull is harder.
Long story short for John Bull. The roll spot is smoothed out, and vehicles are much wider and more stable, the tree squeeze on JB is now only 1 tree now as the other fell over out of the way, the gatekeeper has a smooth path right up it now, and the western gatekeeper is nothing that it used to be. The main hard spots on JB are the rock garden after the gatekeeper (I call it the second half of the gatekeeper) which is after you make the left turn, and also the other spot just up the trail people call Iron Man which is now harder, but has an easy line through it. (Does have a hard line that is pretty rough). The tree spot can still be troublesome, but nothing like it used to be, then there is the spot by the overlook (old yellow post site), but that is overall pretty easy. John Bull does have a lite dust on the rocks making them more slippery vs the dry rocks on Holcomb Creek. I still personally think the harder way to do the trail is west to east as that has gotten me in more trouble than going east to west. It is more sliding off the rocks that get me into trouble. Overall the rock sizes have stayed the same with the largest rocks you have to drive over as in the easiest line are roughly 2-foot tall.
As for how Holcomb has changed over the years. The water crossing on the east side is now shallow which used to make for hours of fun and relaxation, there is a new gatekeeper rocky obstacle at the 2nd creek crossing, and there are 2 more rock gardens at creek crossings before 2n06x. The landslide changed it up, but nothing that hard nowadays. The middle rock garden is now pretty intense with the easiest line requiring you to drive over 3-foot + rocks with wet tires where it used to have a mild easier line with rocks around 2-foot. The hard-line is only gotten harder in that area. The final rock garden is the same-ish. Always changing but that was normal. Back in the day, the largest rocks were about 2 feet-ish, but the difference was the trail was wet at those rocks. Today the largest rocks you have to drive over as in the easiest line are roughly 3-foot tall and muddy and wet.
But sounds like you need to get out and find out for yourself as it is much more fun to experience it yourself to figure it out. If you do, hit me up as I probably would like to join as I am aching to get out now that my arm is mostly healed.
@@JeepAdventures Thanks for the breakdown on both trails. Definitely hit you up here next time I plan a trip out to Holcomb or JB 👍 P.S. Good luck on your recovery.
where did you camp?
Back at Big Pine Flats
Can my 2inch lift survive that? Hehehe
Maybe, My JLU is only on a 2 inch lift. It also depends on tire size and which direction you go. Right now east to west is pretty hard.
@@JeepAdventures i got the mopar lift..planning of hitting gold mountain then jb.
you can likely do those, but I would go with a friend (In another vehicle), just in case.
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