117 Video of milkweed dropping into downwind deer
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- Daniel Barnes has been using ScentLok for a few years and during a couple hunts this season he had a doe and then a couple bucks downwind and tossed some milkweed and filmed it floating down towards their faces.
In this video I also explain a weeklong hunt with a bunch of other hunters on public land.
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Interesting. I've watched Dan Infalt do the same thing in one of his videos. In his video "Imaginary scent control" it shows the same reaction of deer using milkweed sailing right to the deer. I'm not trying to be argumentative but there can be more there going on than meets the eye.
We've all had deer down wind that diddnt run for one reason or another. It's anecdotal at best.
I was there visiting a friend the day John lost his cool and tuned everyone up. A few guys were giving were giving him a hard time about not getting a deer. John was at the end of his rope and let him have it. It had been a long week for him and some guys were a little disappointed in his performance since John is kind of minor hunting celebrity. John is absolutely telling the truth, he was fired up. After he tuned up the loudmouth Then he went down the line guy by guy and told us why we suck. I loved the constructive criticism and went out and bought new scent lok setup like he uses. I learned alot from being around John even if it was only for a little bit. At first I was afraid of John for a little bit as he is still in pretty good shape and was really agitated. We all diffused the situation before it got out of hand . No punches were thrown like other people are saying. He is a passionate hunter and has a system that works for him and he believes in. Yes, like John says he wasn’t happy about the young bucks being shot on the trip, but he gets it. He wasn’t saying the guys sucked because they shot young deer, he was saying they suck because they missed opportunities on better deer. John’s level of detail and honesty is unrivaled and he’s not afraid to put you in your place. I support John on this one
John walked by my buddy eating dinner that night and crop dusted him and his meal. John looked him directly in the eyes and said “should have played the wind dummy” and left the room.
If I was John I’d get scentlok to send me several suits n backpacks on hunts like this and tell these kids he wants to experiment with them using it correctly. Id ask beforehand which ones are interested in being part of the experiment first and get their sizes. If they see it works they would become believers and the rest would follow. He’s had the success to prove it so no sense arguing. John gets too combative at times lol
@@briankulzcak7037 That is hilarious!
@@danweaver5787 he is a fireball for sure and doesn’t back down. We were sitting down eating dinner after hunting all day and John walked by our table, blasts a raucous fart, and yells at my buddy “play the wind now ahole!”
@@briankulzcak7037 lol that’s funny! was this kid giving him shit before that?
Jake Ehlinger is extremely meticulous, uses scent lok and still plays the wind. Jake thinks both are important. I do my best to follow Johns protocol and Im still getting winded but the deer arent reacting as severely as before and Ive had a few times where I didnt get winded.
Yea I use it but still gotta play wind. They still wind me with it
Hey John, a friend of mine was up a tree this year when a deer started coming in from upwind (my friend does not use ScentLock, he “plays the wind”). It was coming in at a steady pace, so probably a buck on the trail of a doe. Out of sight, some 50-60 yards he estimated, the deer stopped walked and didn’t make a sound. After some few minutes the deer blew a quick snort and bolted back the way he came.
My friend was surprised and disappointed. He was playing the wind, right? The deer was upwind the whole time. He decided to release a bit of milkweed just to check the wind he could feel on his face. Sure enough, it blew directly away from the direction the deer came from, but then…as it dropped toward the ground, it reversed direction and as he watched it flew back toward where the deer had spooked. The wind had played him, and the deer was no fool. The deer knew what the wind was doing…
The fallacy of “playing the wind” is that in order to know what the wind was doing, you’d have to be able to see it. I don’t know anyone who can “see the wind”. So for my friend, and Dan Infelt, and all the other fools that “play the wind”, you boys seem to be pretty certain of something which you have absolutely no information about.
I use ScentLock because the wind is strange and variable. I’m a pilot with seaplane and mountain experience. The wind is a fickle mistress and will slap the shit out of you with no warning. She’ll do it hard and she’ll do it soft. She’ll do it as you’re landing a plane on water and while you are in your treestand. Although you can sometimes make good judgements about wind, often you cannot. The lighter the wind the more likely your surmise will be wrong. Hunters need to be honest about their perception of the wind and reject this myth that the wind is simple, predicable and can be played…
I've been using your scent regimen for a few years now and have deer downwind all the time, it's easy to do and very effective. Thanks another John
It is easy once you get a handle on it and it blows my mind that so many hunters dismiss what could eliminate their preys most powerful defense.
John, How do I go about getting your scent control regimen?
Second.. new subscriber here. Is this regiment in his videos or is there more?
I have a sneaky feeling this hunt was in Ohio on Muskingum watershed lakes. My buddy’s n I used to have these lakes to ourselves heading into prerut. Now it’s loaded with out of state folks accessing by boat. Most of them hunt like dummies. They don’t understand that buck travel is along the lake in the morning while the thermals are dropping and go busting through the bedding areas in the dark. Hunt low in the mornings and move to the tops mid morning once thermals start rising. Wish Ohio would triple their out of state tags n licenses fees and do a drawing. We have too many hunters as it is. Of course these kids from PA SC VA NY MI are gonna shoot 2 1/2 yr old 115” deer. It’s the biggest deer they see all season. Most of us resident bow hunters don’t shoot those deer. ODNR doesn’t care. All they want is money. Let the out of staters screw it up for the residents
From mi, me and some buds went to woodbury this year for bow and gun season. One of us got a 12 point in gun season. Every buck I see there is bigger than 8 out of 10 I'd see in michigan. Not that I'd even see 10. I only hunt state land. But if you ever wanted to hunt michigan I could tell you where to go.
First of all John is a good hunter. Secondly I believe everyone hunts differently there is no right our wrong. Third I believe success isn’t how many big bucks you’ve killed. If that spike horn gave you a thrill so be it!
Sounds like to me John has a hard time with criticism but at the same time he criticizes the people that do not use Scent Lock. I believe that hunting 25’ 30’ in the tree aids to John’s success. I’ve used Scent Lock the same way John has, (paired with an Ozonics) and still got busted!!!?? Hunt the way that makes YOU happy. If you get busted so be it there’s always another day another deer and another spot to hunt. That’s why it’s called hunting. The hunting industry has become more and more geared towards tech and gimmicks that are taking the fun out of hunting.
Had the exact thing happen this year. Milkweed landed right at a mature doe's feet! Bought my scentlok this year. The whole outfit with silver lined under garments. Im sold on scentlok!!!
Thank you John for all your time and efforts educating us to become better hunters. Ignorance and arrogance are the worst combination of traits for a person to have.
Most of hunters - me included - don't have the discipline to apply your regimen. And for that reason, we can't have an opinion whether it works or not. I wish Scentlock would make it easier to use and give you more support with tests/data.
I am sure it is irritating, but you should be proud so many "good" and young hunters are afraid of you and your skills. This alone tells you a lot about your class.
Thanks and I agree that ScentLok should offer more informative information on how to care for, store, and use ScentLok exterior garments and headgear in conjunction with how to care for all the other gear a hunter takes that could hold odors.
Just google does scentlok work and then google does scent cover sprays work lol
@@Louisiana-critter-getter you are right. I will also ask ChatGPT in which tree to set up
@@Picard80 picking a tree cost zero dollars skill an experience picks the right tree smh
I know your scent control works. Its science. I live in the south and sweat my *$@ off when i hike uphill where i hunt. So im using a saddle and getting 30' high to try to control my scent lol
Thanks John I owe you for teaching me how to use it properly. It works 100 percent. That being said I find my suit last about three years before no longer being effective. But my hunting has been 100 percent better since I listened to a RUclips video on how to use scentlok and the hr and a half before daylight is key also.
i'm on year 4 of what people tell me is an unnecessary scent control regiment. Same scenario, "well you didn't kill anything this year". Even after I broke out trail camera pictures showing a bigger 8 point than any of these people have ever seen in real life spooking once it got past my downwind side. I was completely unprepared to hunt from the ground where all the action was and found out quick you're a sitting duck with your bow laying flat of the ground in front of you.
I just bought a copy of "Bowhunting Pressured Whitetails." I'm exited to read it. I appreciate the thoroughness you put into your hunting and hope to become more so myself.
Scentlok works. Period. I no longer pay attention to wind and it’s helped me hunt unhuntable places and have more big buck encounters.
Scentlok works I've seen it in action, I tried it and I have never seen so many deer in my life.. it's legit....
Lmao it was day and night from 10 years of not using it to 1 season with it
You should have just said "Pixie Dust^ works! Then got up and left.😊
I think alot of guys get confuse the scentlok thing. Luke i wear it and ill see all the deer no still have to have woodmanship and know how to locate deer its for when your actually hunting the deer
Mr. Eberhart, I ordered a Scentlok suit the other day after watching your videos. May I please get a copy of your scent control documents?
3 weeks ago i was up a tree 10 feet and had several deer downwind for 4 to 6 minutes within 12 to 14 yards they seen me in the tree but couldnt figure me out and continued right into the foodplot to feed.....i use scentlok and try to follow johns scent regiment best i can
Thanks for the reply Michael
What if you just wash your clothes in scent soap and put them in totes and only wear them hunting and dont sweat them up
Hey John, with the newer Ozone chambers, do you ever use those to refresh your scentlok, or do you still just wash with unscented detergent?
Neither, use Ozonics in my van only to remove foul odors prior to season. Would never use it on my ScentLok. Also don't wash my ScentLok, de-adsorb it in the dryer only.
John answered that lightly. Its a huge myth that Ozone recharges scent lock. Its activated carbon which works by adsorption. The little spaces fill in with scent molecules and you have to clean those out. That can only be done with high dryer heat. The company, Scent Lock, is really doing a disservice by pushing the ozone shit. By the way, Ozone is terribly corrosive. It will degrade rubber and plastic, and it is very bad for your health. Ozone destroys the Cilia in your lungs and throat. Don’t expose yourself to it.
@@johneberhart4062 ok thanks! I try not to wash it too much, but hunting a lot of wetlands, it's hard not to need to wash the pants pretty often with all the muck and mud.
Just take your pants and wash the lower legs by hand with cold water and don't use soap. Then put them in the dryer on the air setting and let them dry, then put the jacket and what ever in the dryer with the pants and do the 40 minutes on high. @@the_sandmn
Don’t wash scent lok stuff. He only throws them in the dryer. I don’t use scent lok but I have researched in extensively and use face respirator masks at work. I can’t smell any polyurethane when using them. It’s the same material. Again, no wash, dry only to de absorb
In northern Michigan if it's brown it's down, southern Michigan you can pass many
I agree completely, I pass plenty of two year old bucks in Southern Michigan but hunting in Northern Mi is completely different.
John, I have read (and studied with notes) your book, Precision Bowhunting. It has absolutely increased my success, and in fact, every year since I am killing at least one or two Pope & Young bucks. However, I often find that the complete scent control regiment is time consuming and arduous and sometimes causes me stress and pressure to try and cram it all in before, during and after the hunt. Do you ever have a 'modified' or reduced scent control approach occasionally on hunts you may not have either the time or preparation facilities at hand to go in 100%? Or would you simply not hunt that day if you couldn't be 100% nose-invisible? Obviously I prefer to have enough time to get all my showering, and gear prep, and scentlok clothes stuffed in airtight sacks, etc...but sometimes I have maybe a total of 3 1/2 hrs from the time i get home to get it all together and travel and hunt before dark, etc...?
Stole any boat motors lately
Hey John, I live and hunt on Florida public land. I was just wondering your thoughts on taking care of your scentlok close when it’s hot. Usually during bow season, it’s hot. When you get out of your truck, you start sweating. I usually have to wash hunting clothes after every hunt because you soak them with sweat.
I hunt OTG l use a sent lock suit and hex suit combo scent free and invisible energy field lve killed many deer my best buck 150 BC in Ga hunt many years with both 👍
I know nothing about activated carbon because i have never used it. I have had deer downwind of me that didnt spook and some have obviously. I think it depends on the area. I hunt small woodlots in farm country and i think the deer are used to the farmer's being around and tending to the cattle Nd working in the fields and human scent doesnt affect them like it does in certain areas. I think Dan Infalt has a video where he was bouncing milkweed off a deers back that was downwind and that deer never spooked . Dan definitely doesn't use scentlok. I have no doubt that scentlok works if you use it properly. I think for some people playing the wind is part of the challenge that they enjoy. I say do whatever you enjoy and dont worry what others are doing. If you want to use scentlok thats fine. I wouldn't mind trying it myself.
I’m a fan of the Chanel. But correct me if I’m wrong… that milkweed went wide left of the deer not down to their faces. So what’s that supposed to prove?
John;
Youre the "god father" of scent control. Thanks for all the great content. My late uncle (mentor) was very much like you in his approach to hunting whitetail deer. He taught me much.
I dont believe you can be upwind of mature bucks and not get busted but i dont know everything and im always learning. This video has me thinking about it.
John is spot on here. I broke my ankle in mid October so I’ve missed most of deer season. To try to fill the void I’ve been watching videos from The Hunting Public and Hunting Beast on RUclips. I’m constantly seeing these guys get busted and thinking that wouldn’t happen if they practiced scent control. To each his own I guess? The guys that poo poo it are just to lazy to do it properly. That’s what it boils down to
True to a point, The Hunting Public guys live in tents for days at a time. John's sent control regimen would be hard without access to dryer or washing machine. John knows what he's doing no doubt, but sometimes it can't be followed.
Unfortunately his attitude and deliver of his information turns many people off
He discounts everyone else’s opinions when it comes to hunting
His way it the highway
Regardless of what you’re talking about that will not get a good two way discussion
I want to try the scentblok regiment but i live in Tennessee and sweat on my way to my spots every single hunt.will it still work for me?
Yes just get some super wicking light base layers and don’t wear a beanie to the tree I hunt Louisiana and Tennessee works like a dream if you follow all the steps you’ll never want to hunt without it again lol
No
This video was made in TN.
I've been runnin scent lok since 2005 or so. I still get winded somtimes but not often.
I've been using scentlok for 3 seasons now after i saw some of John videos. The stuff really isn't expensive so i figured what the hell.
I follow Johns scent regime exactly. What I've noticed is there's zero doubt it works on ground scent. I've had countless deer walk across, and on my trail. Zero deer spook.
I'll start by saying on cold, windy days i wear multiple layers of scentlok. I wear a base layer, mid layer and heavy layer, gloves pull down face mask and a beanie. I've only had moderate success on windy days, however. I've been winded numerous times on windy days. I'm not saying the scentlok isn't working. It could be something as simple as a bow string etc...
I'm trying to pinpoint exactly what's going on with getting winded on those windy days.
I have same experience. Doing everything the best I can and still getting winded. I’m out of ideas. I think it may supress my scent but still get winded but will keep trying
First year using sentĺock and seen more deer at 5 yards then I've ever seen I have the saddle hunter set up you designed huge game changer for me
The thorns at woodbury are like fish hooks
Let your records & wall of racks at Jay’s do your talking for you. You can lead a Horse to water… You have helped me a bunch with so many things.
Thanks Terry
It is cool with the young crowd today to hate on scent control. I don't understand why. All of the high end gear uses fibers the help control odor. So some of those guys are using scent control and don't realize it. I also don't get the complete disrespect in the words and actions of the gen Z and millennial "sportsman" today. In the woods or on the water, they cross lines that we were al taught to respect.
I must chirp in here as what most garment companies use and claim as a scent control technology is an anti-microbial in their exterior garments. First off, any anti microbial must be worn against the skin to come in contact with and kill bacteria. So only base garments with anti microbials help in some form. Having an anti microbial in an exterior garment is like having ants in your house and spraying insect killer on the exterior of your house. It doesn't kill the ants inside. Secondly, even when wearing an anti microbial base garment, it only kills some of the bacteria and it does nothing to get rid of the odor molecules from the bacteria it kills. It also does nothing in getting rid of the other 100's of differing odor molecules we emit from our bodies in gaseous and liquid forms. Carbon Alloy holds a US patent and other companies can't use it without ScentLok's permission, so of course they dismiss its effectiveness.
Been using the whole scentlok regiment for a year and half now giving it my best effort before I came to my own conclusion. I wish I could say I have been getting the results as others claim but unfortunately I haven’t. Now I can say I have had what seemed to be positive experiences with deer downwind but for the most part when a deer gets downwind of me they still bust me. Really deer get uneasy around me in general for whatever reason and whatever I put off even if wind is quartering to them. I do everything John teaches, never washed my SL( though considering it now) kept in airtight totes, dress at hunting site, dropdown face mask, SL gloves, don’t touch SL with bare hands, wash my saddle kept in seperate airtight tote, SL backpack when I take one in, knee high rubber boots, pants drapped down over top. I do have pretty good results with deer crossing my walking path, but deer are still winding me. It just hasn’t convinced me yet and I really really wish the results were different. So I am running out of ideas. Spoke with the owner at camo dust and he claims his product is a game changer too. Anyone try that stuff with luck? I may just go back to using hardwood smoke and playing the wind which I still always do to the best of my abilities. But hunting hill country is tough with swirling winds. Really about fee up with all of it.
Also When the weather is cool I am actually wearing up to 3 layers of SL…. I myst really stink!
Have you deabsorbed your sentlok clothing in the dryer yet?
Yes. I’ve actually been “deabsorbing” everyday after a full day hunt. Its frustrating doing my best with it still not getting the results others claim
@@Kenzie13nicola I am not sure because I have been around numerous deer last year and this year ( last year was my first year with the suit) and I have seen the most deer and all of the time they don’t realize I am there. I harvested my first buck from the ground with the bow and was wearing the Scentlok suit. Idk if it’s a gimmick or not yet but it seems to be working for me and I never check for wind. The only thing I would say is make sure you’re following Jon’s processes of de-absorption and storage of clothing. The other issue that may be a factor, which I say with no offense, is you hunting/scouting skills. Sentlok suit doesn’t guarantee you will miraculously find and see deer without proper scouting and hunting techniques.
The Scentlok program works!
Never diregard anyone's experience when it covers decades, regardless of topic. There's a lot if truth to it, if not absolute. Do so at your own peril....but to disregard such hard earned knowledge says more about you than anything else.
Thanks Steven
I recently started saddle hunting and I was fortunate enough to get an Eberhart saddle that John modified himself("took the governor of of it" -john) and I freaking love it! I've never used a standard saddle so IDK what's better or worse about it, but 8 times this year I've sat dawn-dusk in this saddle and I love it! Johns theory on scentlok is hard to believe, but I'm definitely open to learning his process and giving it a shot!
How is the ess modified ?
@@R90916 it's the only saddle I've ever used so I'm not 100% sure, but from what I can tell by pictures is that he took off the straps that go between my legs, nothing goes between my legs, and I have two pouches stitched into the back of the bottom panel that I don't see on the stock saddle. Could be more modifications but those are the only two that are obvious to me
John just gonna thank you for your dedication of awareness on this stuff 3 years never got winded borrowed a gun the very first hunt the strap got winded… it’s absolutely hilarious trying to convert someone to using it…
Yes it is and thanks for the reply
I know exactly how activated carbon works and it's not doing what you think it's doing also how do you negate your breath is there a face mask what about all the equipment
You obviously have never paid attention to the regimen as everything you mentioned is covered in it, everything.
Is there a face mask??🤣🤣
Any tips on dealing with the moisture buildup from breath, while wearing a dropdown face masks fir long periods of time? I feel like I have to "drop it down" periodically to get some fresh air and get the moisture off my face!
Get a light face mask and if your face is sweating that much your body is probably to warm unless it’s just hot hot outside
@@Louisiana-critter-getterI don't think he's taking about sweat. It's more the condensation from your breath. I have the same issue.
Yea it sucks. Sacrifice breathing then I still get winded. Lol
Dan Infalt doesn't use scent loc and never gets winded.
Yes he does
Yes he does!!! But he plays the wind. I use scent loc and I still play the wind if I can
He does get winded sometimes deer just show up ...but I have to say the milkweed I seen was over the deer head from the way it looked ... but to each there own..
@@chrismacomber9727your scent stream isnt a single strand of milk weed. Gotta use some common sense.
I was just kidding. Dan doesn’t shower much and goes weeks without getting deer because he gets winded all the dam time!!🤣