I bought a P22 to teach my girlfriend and her mom how to shoot. This is a nice video to learn a little more about the gun. I’m taking her to the range for the first time tomorrow. I took it out once by myself. It shoots straight and is very easy to handle. It’s sort of like shooting a pellet gun.
I’ve got the original P22 and NEVER had issues with CCI mini mags. The cheaper bulk ammo was a different story. Just feed these pistols the right ammo and they will serve you well - not to mention the fun you’ll have shooting ‘em!
The changes came gradually over time, instead of all at once (as in a new generation or "gen 2"). The one reviewed here is called the P22Q which was released in 2011 SHOT Show. P22Q changes are mostly cosmetic, such as PPQ style slide and grip. Also the internal lock was deleted, and the rail became multi-sloted. P22QD was released in 2017, with Beretta 92 style decocker/safety combo, and captured recoil spring/guide rod. The CA version has no barrel nut, so the barrel is not threaded :)
I love my PPQ 5” in 22LR. Ridiculously accurate, and more so than my wife’s Ruger SR22 at lease in my hands, but both are great firearms. Great to train with the PPQ since I shoot the Q5 Match (polymer) and my home defense is a PPQ 45 ACP. Kudos to Walther for more options. Great review, Sootch. Honest, informative and entertaining. To the Republic!
The captive recoil spring is the key. I had the original and where the malfunctions occurred was with subsonic ammo. I sold it for that reason and then got the P22 qd. It feeds all of the subs I’ve put through it with no problem. So, if you are or were discouraged with your old P22 make the switch and you won’t regret it. I am not sure, but you may be able to simply put the new recoil spring in it.
I am not sure of the date but the Q series have the captured recoil spring. The confusion is that the grip texture changed before the spring so from the outside, they look identical. The P22Q and P22QD both have the captured spring. QD represents the version that has the safety decocker and the Q has a regular safety. Hope this helps.
I just got this as my first firearm! While I would have liked a bigger caliber, I chose this as it is quiet enough to use without bothering my neighbors too too much (they still complain during longer shooting sessions more than an hour). This gun is very picky in terms of ammo, but like you I use CCI Minimag and it works flawlessly. I also keep CCI Stinger rounds specifically for if I ever need this gun for anything more than target practice, as it travels much much faster. This gun is absolutely perfect for practice as well as first time shooting (such as my girlfriend, who I am teaching). Outside of practice, I wouldn't recommend it for much. Its a very small, lightweight gun that I would consider perfect for new shooters, smaller women and children. If you're in the market for a .22lr handgun, I highly recommend this!
They replaced the guide rod/recoil spring with a proper set. That's all I needed to know, and the only serious improvement that was needed in my opinion.
Galco Precision makes a captured rod and spring for the P22. Have it in my son's gun. His gen 2 did not come with it a couple years ago. Nice to see it comes from the factory now.
My P22 has a bad trigger even after a gunsmith worked it. The piano spring sometimes is really bad. Does the "gen2" still have the antique trigger system (with all its problems).
I've had my P22 for years, and have always loved it. I take it every time I go shooting cause it's just so fun. As for the safety, I don't have a red dot, but I always remembered it by 'point towards enemy' cause the lever points towards the end of the barrel when it's on fire.
There are aftermarket captured springs and extractor pins to help improve reliability of older P22s. The QD models are supposed to be able to cycle standard velocity ammo reliably. I even saw a review where the guy was shooting subsonic ammo with no problems.
Just purchased this very gun today. It is also my first gun. Thanks to this video I am glad I picked this P22 for my first one. Also thanks for the video! 👍
@Cruz C okay so not completely similar but close, I've had feed issues with the Winchester Limited edition hollow points every 2-3 rounds after having no issues with it at all after shooting over 400 rounds of CCI standard ballpoint rounds and they even fired at 1210 FPS and the Winchester's I've bought have a rating of 1280 FPS and they are the ones feeding wrong Evey 2-3 rounds and I don't understand how to fix that issue but I have heard you can adjust some features for a wider exception of ammunition types bit have no clarity on how to do so!!
My wife just got her first ever pistol in Tiffany/Angel blue I am so proud of her for finally taking the plunge I've been trying for about 5 years! This video closed the deal for her just so you know I played this video and I played videos of yours of other 22LR pistols and she said she wanted this one. Thanks again man
If you polish the ridge of the hammer and the feed ramp/ chamber edge it works without any issues...if you don't polish it just used cci cprn or aguila 40gr copper plated round nose
I used to never have a .22 with me at the range but when COVID hit I noticed people were panic buying like we are use to every 4 years so I purchased a Mark IV lite to take to the range and now I'm wondering why I was never training with .22lr
that little trigger guard-mounted paddle release is my favorite kind, honestly, because I usually have to break my grip to hit the more common variety. With this one, I barely have to move my middle finger to hit it, it's in the perfect spot. It's like what the HK USP and Mark 23 have, and probably the other updated versions of those too.
Thanks for this very well done review. I have a brand new P22 and mistakenly trusted an EBAY seller to sell me the unavailable anywhere (retail) magazine for this pistol. It appears to be the first gen magazine that Walther recalled. It actually will not seat with rounds in it. Glad you highlighted this for me.
I recently got the P22 Target and I LOVE this little gun! It's smooth, super easy to actuate and shoot, and above all, accurate. I bought it since my firearms are tailored more towards me and not very friendly to new shooters or friends. So this is the perfect bridge!
For those of you who say a 22 isn’t suitable for self defense, I refer you to 0:33 low recoil, means easier to stay on target. Not so loud to blow year ears out. 3 inches of penetration is all that’s needed to incapacitate/kill
The lack of power in a rimfire round is not necessarily the issue, it’s the much higher probability that it won’t go “bang“ when you pull the trigger… Rimfire is much more likely to malfunction than centerfire.
Had one for over a decade no issues plenty smiles , tried a sig mosquito and gave it to my brother por nada brand new out of the box. Factory laser a blind man could hit with
I am an HK fan and love the paddle mag release. So Im looking at this walther for training and my wife as a new shooter. The cotrols are similar to my HKs. Familiarity is a good thing. Thank you for a good, comprehensive review
Think twice before you buy, mine has been back to Walther since it is not going into battery. It was shipped back again for same issue. And Umarex (spelling may be wrong) is now a partner, they are a Chinese company.
I went to a indoor range I shot that Walther Within two boxes it jammed twice it is very easy and comfortable to shoot though weapons education Tom gave you a good word you deserve it sootch00
My p22 is about 8 years old or so, gen 2 frame but without a captured guide rod. It’s also a steaming hot pile of shit unless you either run mini mags or thunderbolts. Any other loads and it essentially turns it into a straight pull. Also doesn’t have enough spring tension to chamber the first round of a full magazine so you have to thumb press it. I sincerely wish they would upscale it to a 9mm because I do love everything about it function and feel wise
I have two P-22s. One short barrel and one long barrel. The long barrel P-22 is still new in the box. Purchased both of them back in 2001. After firing the short barrel model and breaking it down to clean afterwards I discovered the slide grooves were chewed up a bit. I mailed it to S&W and received it back a week later with a note saying it was normal wear. They lied! Later the safety lever began to drop down on safety and the problem became more frequent soon after. I wanted to throw it into the sea afterward I was so upset. Instead I put it away and had forgotten about it. Someday I'll buy a new complete slide. The one I have now was most likely a defect from the beginning I believe. As for the P-22s performance I do like it and Remington golden bullets work fine.
.22LR is: 1. Low recoil 2. Cost efficient 3. Accurate 4. Deadly 5. Range up to 500 meters 6. Low to no muzzle flash 7. Non "Scary" in banned states 8. Great trainer weapon 9. Higher capacity magazines 10. Last forever
Such a fun little plinker! Only ammo that wont cycle for me is the CCI suppressor (to be expected). Its quality, affordable and just all out fun. Again Mr. Sootch, fantastic review and amazing content like always. Please keep doing what you are doing. The firearms community needs to! Thank you for everything
you nailed it. That is weird. Why would you want one chambered in such a useless and expensive to shoot round? I could see it if there were 20 dollar bulk packs of it or something, but for 32 prices you could be shooting 9.
I want a Walther in 22mag. Keep it 10 round. I'd carry it edc.... I sometimes carry a P22Q for edc if I'm working outside and moving around alot with tools on a belt. My P22Q has been tuned to shoot bulk ammo but I still use Stingers for edc... CCI stinger can hit about 1050fps out of a P22. The bulk stuff hits about 850fps Great Vid Sootch!!!! Im in Florence SC. Stay cool buddy.
I used to own one of the first p22's. It was a 5" target with a compinsator. Back when 22 ammo was hard to find, I traded it and a rugar 10/22 straight up for a rugar mini 14. I wish I would have kept that gun. It ran like a Singer sewing machine if you put good ammo in it.
Mine has had ftf fte since I had it . Sent it back they said it was great . Never even sent 3 rnds down range same dang thing. I don't believe I have ever had a full mag go through it without a problem ever. Before or after I sent it back to Walther
It's an ammo picky gun. It runs 100% with cci mini mags and Remington gold bulk ammo. It runs 99% with federal blue box bulk. It doesn't run lead bullets well at all or super cheap ammo.
Idk know... at best we're speculating.... After watching several times it looked like she was jumping/jerking not the pistol.. Hell for all we know she may have been scared to death so he made his daughter shoot it to get the sponsorship
Nice gun and it's accurate. My daughter loves shooting it so much I had to get her one also. The target barrel is worth having for the longer sight radius. Is an easy swap. It's a very simple gun to suppress, and the action seems to be unaffected. The captive recoil spring makes it much easier to reassemble. After market ones are available for "Gen 1s", but perhaps the Walther G2 springs would also work? I wish they'd make a higher capacity mag, I'm sure they could if they choose to. I upgraded my extractor, that seemed to help when the round count got up there, especially when shooting suppressed. The factory sights are just tall enough to use with lower profile suppressors. Ironically, the Walther rim fire suppressor has protrusions on it that interfere with the sights. Keep that in mind when selecting a can for rimfire. Fobus makes an inexpensive holster for it, but the holsters I have almost have too much rentention. I added red paint to the proper dimple on the saftey on the gen 1s. I'm not sure how they over looked that little detail on the first ones.
I bought the aqua colored P22 for my elderly mom, and she really likes it. Like you said on this video, Sootch, we shoot CCI mini mags, and it has never failed, but it doesn't like some of the other brands tho.
Best price I’ve seen lately (April 2022) is $329.99 from Bass Pro Shop. My waiting period should be over Saturday. I got this because it is the closest .22LR to my VP9 and VP9SK. New to .22LR with the recent purchase of a CMMG Upper for my Banshee, due to the ammo shortage/price hike and it quickly became my favorite caliber to shoot for fun.
I had the original p22. I got it for my birthday in 2006. I only put a couple hundred mini mags through it and the hammer spring broke. Had to send it back and the fixed it. Loved that gun though.
A lot of people claim to have issues with the P22 I found if you fire standard velocity 22 you will have issues but if you fire the high velocity stuff 1200 ft per second or more you won't have any issues other than keeping it clean cuz 22 ammo's filthy
Thanks for bringing this pistol to my attention! I really like the double-strike capability of this pistol for .22LR. Would have liked to see the decocker model in operation --- I'll be looking into that. Nice review!
After going between the choices based on a lot of rental range guns - all the brands - I bought the M&P .22 Compact a couple years ago. We now live in a world where manufacturing has become both precise and rather inexpensive - especially in the plastic gun field. You really can't get a dud gun anymore. If so, it's an anomaly, rather than a brand issue. As to why I went with the M&P? Basically, two reasons: 1) I already have the M&P platform in 9mm, so grip ergo and handling are the same, and 2) the M&P was under the glass when I had the money. I haven't been disappointed yet after at least 4000 rounds. Any issues have been ammo related. In my extended tests at the range, all these guns are somewhat ammo sensitive. It's not the guns - it's the mass produced .22 ammo, with my best experience being with CCI Mini-Mags or Stingers. They just seem to have way less squibs.
FYI... I purchased a P22 (Ca Angel Blue) for my wife. We are extremely disappointed with the function of this little pistol, especially considering that I bought this pistol based on the Walther reputation. The problem with this pistol is that it repeatedly has "Failure to Eject." Approximately one out of 20 rounds there is a failure to eject. I cycled the slide by hand several times, but the spent round would still not eject. I had to pry the round by the edge of the rim to remove the spent shell. My son was shooting alongside my wife with a Ruger 22/45 and the Ruger experience zero malfunctions with the same ammunition CCI .22LR 36gr. I'm guessing the extractor is not good. Walther has a 30 day Money Back Guarantee. Not sure if I should send it back for repair, or just return it and not bother with it.
I picked one up a few hours ago. Only put 40 rounds through it. Shoots smooth. Nothing like a nice .22 pistol to practice with, ammo is a hell of alot cheaper.
I had some issues with cycling. Put a captive recoil spring and runs great. And way easier to take down and reassemble. Believe recoil spring was from Tandem Cross.
Ive practiced with this gun so much: double tap drills, reloads, etc. Fun fact: even with my small hands and sausage fingers I can rack the slide one handed, no assist.
Bought one my the other day as my first handgun, since I wanted to ease in and learn how to properly control recoil before moving up to one of the big boy calibers. Still waiting for my background check to clear, but you best believe the first place I'm going once I pick it up from the gun store is to the range to send some lead downrange
I just got one and I love it.very accurate..shooting automatch in mine and it functions good probably 97 percent..good enough for me saving my primo ammo
@@MrYournamehere4202 I like the sr22 better because it shoots regular ammo and doesn't require high velocity ammo. I had a p22 when they first came out and it was nice but wouldn't fiction on regular ammo. Even if that's been corrected the sr22 has a removable barrels .
walther’s p22 gen1’s teething troubles led me happily to the ruger sr22. i do admit that i prefer how the p22 feels in my hand. that said the sr22 is the one reliable, handy, forever 22lr plinker to have.
I had some issues with my p22 out of the box. I was firing Federal 40 grain ammo thru it and i was getting constant jamming, usually multiple rounds per mag, and on two occasions the spent casing even got stuck in the barrel. I am going to try CCI minimag next time im at the range, i just wanted to see if anyone else was having this issue.
I was Eager to get one. The fire arms dealer at Bass Pro shop criticized the gun so negatively .. said he couldn’t get through one Clíp with out it jamming.. ultimately talked me out of it
There are some things you can do to help it cycle better. I think its a gamble if yours will have some of the known issues. I wouldn't use it for carry/SD. It's a plinker for me.
Great video you mentioned the barrel but could have easily demonstrated how for 30 bucks you could add a threaded attachment on the barrel since it is designed that way for a silencer with a $ 200 ATF stamp and the price of the silencer cost more than the gun alone. I have a compensator on mine thanks to the Walther barrel design and the added weight keeps the front down for more accurate shots.Aplus video and thank you!!!! $30 plus $30 for compensator from TandemKross I have 250.00 new plus $60 more Walther p22Q is perfect for only $310.00!!!! minimum 1000 rounds and still going
Got rid of mine due to some slide issues the gen 1, on some guns were having slides crack. There made of pot metal like a pellet gun. Who makes them is Umerex they make pellet guns. Not for sure about new ones like this gen 2, walther has two plants walther Umerex and there higher end like Ppq Reg Walther. I never had but one single jam on the Walther the years I owned it. Was excellent. Just got concerned over the potential slide issues that might arise over a period of time especially shooting thousands of rounds like I did with it. Anyways got rid of it and got the sr22. Great pistol and built better with a better slide build in my opinion. Great video thank u.
great info thnx , i have the PPQ M2 5" barrel , holds 12 rounds i,m up to 2500 rounds now with a lot of different ammo including cci stingers , now i stick to federal game shock 40 grains , NOT 1 problem ,
The biggest improvement you can make to the older model, is change to the captured spring it fixes two problems for about 20 bucks. It will make failures to feed history and make it way easier to put back together when cleaning, so you'll clean it more often too. Stay with the right ammo, I use the CCI standard but I would buy the plated bullets once my current ammo is gone. The .22 rounds are dirty ammo so going with the plated bullets helps keep the gun clean, so less problems and easier to clean. Dropping the hammer when the safety is on has no effect on the gun because a hammer block prevent the hammer from hitting anything but the steel safety block, that's good for dry firing, otherwise never dry fryer a .22 without fake plastic shells in there. GET THE CAPTURED SPRING!!! It is a game changer as they say.
Got to keep the chamber clean. If a round does not go all the way in the chamber the hammer can still drop when you pull the trigger. This happened to me. But, I really like this pistol.
8:17 I'm in the market for this type gun, but that height adjustable front sight took me right out of the hunt. For the most part windage is only required for a target gun and windy conditions. Elevation changes are based on load and bullet weight in addition to distance. Some rinky-dink plastic front sight insert for elevation change is a joke in my opinion. I am looking for a compact/subcompact pocket carry type pistol in 22 caliber for practice purposes. Something that mimics a pistol in the P365/hellcat or RM 380 class pistol. It's all converging on the Ruger SR 22. I'm lucky I stocked up on 22 when the price was low. Now I just need the right firearm to use for practice mimicking my carry firearms. Your video was great help. Thank you!
I recently rented a ppq match that obviously had quite a bit of use. It had a ftf and when I dropped the clip 2 rounds fell out. I suspected it was a worn out magazine. I'm still thinking about this or the ppq because of how enjoyable it was to shoot. I would rather have the poq but am leaning towards this because the wife likes the colors it comes in.
First take a small pair Vise Grips, with the slide pulled back only enough to expose enough of the guide rod to clamp on the pliers. Then the guide rod is captured. Then move the takedown tabs.
I use 22lr from federal and have had no issues. It’s been a lot of fun especially with a suppressor. Wish they would have change or updated sights I never have liked them. New spring is nice! Like that they also put the dot on safety. Nice review as always!!
I don't know what Walther did to the new p22q but I have never had 1 issue with mine period! Read so many complaints with the old ones but from what I understand if sent back to Walther they repair it and they perform like new.
I had one of the original P22's that I got for my wife. Nice little handgun. But I have the same problem as you. A son that like it so much, it became his handgun. Maybe I'll get the newer version to check out. I'm surprised they left the magazine release lever and didn't go with the more popular button.
You stated that your PPQ was 10 round but they also sale them with 12 round mag too, cuz that’s what mine has. Love your videos and keep up the good work.
Boa tarde ao amigo,falo aqui do Brazil e comprei a 2 anos a Ruger SR22 e não cicla bem , apresenta muitas falhas muitas panes em uma única rodada de um carregador, mesmo utilizando CCI ogival Mini Mag, Federal, fiochi, ou Águila 😢 tenho tambem a PPK s22 a Walter P22, e a Walther Gold Cup 22 LR, mas a melhor pistola 22 LR tem sido a TX 22 👍👏🤠🇧🇷
I bought one several years back and mine looks more like the newer style one you are showing. Mine has the red dot for fire, the textured grip, and the silver mag. Another note is my slide says Smith and Wesson like the older one you have and says made in USA and the grip says Walther Made in Germany. But the slide does look like the newer one with the longer finger groves on it. It is a very accurate and nice shooting pistol for sure. I am curious, what holster do you use with it?
I'm proficient on the G42. I have one. Getting a 22lr pistol is a good addition. Many new shooters aren't good with larger calibers. That's why I got mine (SW M&P22compact).
I just bought a P22q. First time on the range was this weekend. Out of 30 rounds it had multiple Fail to fire, fail to feed, fail to extract. 1 out of 3 rounds was problematic. Upon further research it turns out many people are having the same issue right of the box.
@@danstauffer7572 I contacted Walther and they suggested to only is High velocity ammunition (specifically CCI mini mag). They also said to keep the gun clean and well oiled. I did this but it did not make a difference. I contemplated heavily and decided to return the gun to Walther for a refund. They have a 30 day no questions asked policy. They even paid for shipping.
I guess I have a gen1 because my gun failed to fire. Found out I was using cheap ammo (winchester) and I only had to change ammo (CCI Max) and now its fine.
I bought a P22 to teach my girlfriend and her mom how to shoot. This is a nice video to learn a little more about the gun. I’m taking her to the range for the first time tomorrow. I took it out once by myself. It shoots straight and is very easy to handle. It’s sort of like shooting a pellet gun.
This is why I want one. Any issues so far?
I’ve got the original P22 and NEVER had issues with CCI mini mags. The cheaper bulk ammo was a different story. Just feed these pistols the right ammo and they will serve you well - not to mention the fun you’ll have shooting ‘em!
I like my p22 it shoots smoothly, low recoil, easy to pull the slider back, and very accurate.
Do you still shoot it?
The changes came gradually over time, instead of all at once (as in a new generation or "gen 2"). The one reviewed here is called the P22Q which was released in 2011 SHOT Show. P22Q changes are mostly cosmetic, such as PPQ style slide and grip. Also the internal lock was deleted, and the rail became multi-sloted. P22QD was released in 2017, with Beretta 92 style decocker/safety combo, and captured recoil spring/guide rod. The CA version has no barrel nut, so the barrel is not threaded :)
I love my PPQ 5” in 22LR. Ridiculously accurate, and more so than my wife’s Ruger SR22 at lease in my hands, but both are great firearms. Great to train with the PPQ since I shoot the Q5 Match (polymer) and my home defense is a PPQ 45 ACP. Kudos to Walther for more options. Great review, Sootch. Honest, informative and entertaining. To the Republic!
The captive recoil spring is the key. I had the original and where the malfunctions occurred was with subsonic ammo. I sold it for that reason and then got the P22 qd. It feeds all of the subs I’ve put through it with no problem. So, if you are or were discouraged with your old P22 make the switch and you won’t regret it. I am not sure, but you may be able to simply put the new recoil spring in it.
When did Walther make the change to the captive recoil spring?
I am not sure of the date but the Q series have the captured recoil spring. The confusion is that the grip texture changed before the spring so from the outside, they look identical.
The P22Q and P22QD both have the captured spring. QD represents the version that has the safety decocker and the Q has a regular safety.
Hope this helps.
Recently, I bought the P22 CA version, It does not have Captured Spring as of July, 2023 :-)
I just got this as my first firearm! While I would have liked a bigger caliber, I chose this as it is quiet enough to use without bothering my neighbors too too much (they still complain during longer shooting sessions more than an hour). This gun is very picky in terms of ammo, but like you I use CCI Minimag and it works flawlessly. I also keep CCI Stinger rounds specifically for if I ever need this gun for anything more than target practice, as it travels much much faster.
This gun is absolutely perfect for practice as well as first time shooting (such as my girlfriend, who I am teaching). Outside of practice, I wouldn't recommend it for much. Its a very small, lightweight gun that I would consider perfect for new shooters, smaller women and children. If you're in the market for a .22lr handgun, I highly recommend this!
You can shoot in your backyard? I am so jealous. Where do you live?
They replaced the guide rod/recoil spring with a proper set. That's all I needed to know, and the only serious improvement that was needed in my opinion.
Can you just buy a replacement?
@@Weakeyedominant my thoughts as well
I agree. Currently mine only functions reliably with CCI Mini Mags.
Galco Precision makes a captured rod and spring for the P22. Have it in my son's gun. His gen 2 did not come with it a couple years ago. Nice to see it comes from the factory now.
Yep
I had one 14 years ago had to send it back 4 times...finally even they gave up. Glad it works now....
My P22 has a bad trigger even after a gunsmith worked it. The piano spring sometimes is really bad. Does the "gen2" still have the antique trigger system (with all its problems).
Love mine! Shoots everything from thunderbolts to cheap armscor to blazer - just can't get enough!
How do you feel a bou.t carrying it for selfdefence .
I've had my P22 for years, and have always loved it. I take it every time I go shooting cause it's just so fun.
As for the safety, I don't have a red dot, but I always remembered it by 'point towards enemy' cause the lever points towards the end of the barrel when it's on fire.
I had an old muzzle loader with no red dot, so I took a permanent marker and marked it. Scary not knowing.
A supurb example of German engineering and design. Most impressive. I own one and it is a delightful weapon.
There are aftermarket captured springs and extractor pins to help improve reliability of older P22s. The QD models are supposed to be able to cycle standard velocity ammo reliably. I even saw a review where the guy was shooting subsonic ammo with no problems.
My little p22 has been a great gun. It gets used as a suppressor host 99% of the time. The M&P 22 Compact is the most reliable 22lr I’ve ever owned.
My P22 is threaded as well. It's a fucking junker if it's not stupid lubed.
Just purchased this very gun today. It is also my first gun. Thanks to this video I am glad I picked this P22 for my first one. Also thanks for the video! 👍
Have you picked it up yet ?
Yes I have. Took it to the range a few times already and have not had any issues.
Nice bro. Same here I purchased it today & I pick it up next Friday I’m excited to shoot it
@Cruz C okay so not completely similar but close, I've had feed issues with the Winchester Limited edition hollow points every 2-3 rounds after having no issues with it at all after shooting over 400 rounds of CCI standard ballpoint rounds and they even fired at 1210 FPS and the Winchester's I've bought have a rating of 1280 FPS and they are the ones feeding wrong Evey 2-3 rounds and I don't understand how to fix that issue but I have heard you can adjust some features for a wider exception of ammunition types bit have no clarity on how to do so!!
Who has them in stock?
My wife just got her first ever pistol in Tiffany/Angel blue I am so proud of her for finally taking the plunge I've been trying for about 5 years! This video closed the deal for her just so you know I played this video and I played videos of yours of other 22LR pistols and she said she wanted this one. Thanks again man
That's cool man.
If you polish the ridge of the hammer and the feed ramp/ chamber edge it works without any issues...if you don't polish it just used cci cprn or aguila 40gr copper plated round nose
I been having mine's for 3 years now and I love this tiny gun. Shoots ten rounds so fast and easy
I've never fired mini mags through mine but it does fine with thunderbolts and Remingtons. Never had an issue.
Just took delivery of the M&P 22. I’m considering the Walther as well. Thanks for the review Sootch
anytime at the range you must have a 22 on the table. Good fun walther gets a big thumbs up. Thanks for sharing
Agreed! Plus you can shoot longer for less money! Thanks Brother!
I used to never have a .22 with me at the range but when COVID hit I noticed people were panic buying like we are use to every 4 years so I purchased a Mark IV lite to take to the range and now I'm wondering why I was never training with .22lr
that little trigger guard-mounted paddle release is my favorite kind, honestly, because I usually have to break my grip to hit the more common variety. With this one, I barely have to move my middle finger to hit it, it's in the perfect spot. It's like what the HK USP and Mark 23 have, and probably the other updated versions of those too.
I always bring mine shooting with me. My dad got it for me years ago and I’ve shot tens of thousands of rounds through it. Dope little gun
What do you use ? Which one do you favor
Thanks for this very well done review. I have a brand new P22 and mistakenly trusted an EBAY seller to sell me the unavailable anywhere (retail) magazine for this pistol. It appears to be the first gen magazine that Walther recalled. It actually will not seat with rounds in it. Glad you highlighted this for me.
Much prefer the Taurus TX22, the breakdown and reassembly as well as extra carrying capacity is nice.
The TX-22 is amazing. I just crossed the 1000 round mark and have had no failures using Aguila Super Extra
I recently got the P22 Target and I LOVE this little gun! It's smooth, super easy to actuate and shoot, and above all, accurate. I bought it since my firearms are tailored more towards me and not very friendly to new shooters or friends. So this is the perfect bridge!
For those of you who say a 22 isn’t suitable for self defense, I refer you to 0:33 low recoil, means easier to stay on target. Not so loud to blow year ears out. 3 inches of penetration is all that’s needed to incapacitate/kill
The lack of power in a rimfire round is not necessarily the issue, it’s the much higher probability that it won’t go “bang“ when you pull the trigger… Rimfire is much more likely to malfunction than centerfire.
Had one for over a decade no issues plenty smiles , tried a sig mosquito and gave it to my brother por nada brand new out of the box. Factory laser a blind man could hit with
I am an HK fan and love the paddle mag release. So Im looking at this walther for training and my wife as a new shooter. The cotrols are similar to my HKs. Familiarity is a good thing. Thank you for a good, comprehensive review
Just got my Ruger SR22lr today. Hands down the best on the market for less than $400.
Better then this?
@@Was-here2 they're probably pretty equally matched & probably comes down to personal preference. I love the Ruger SR though.
Think twice before you buy, mine has been back to Walther since it is not going into battery. It was shipped back again for same issue. And Umarex (spelling may be wrong) is now a partner, they are a Chinese company.
I love how serious people get when shooting this. Its like guilt free plinking cause the ammo is the cheapest to run.
I went to a indoor range I shot that Walther Within two boxes it jammed twice it is very easy and comfortable to shoot though weapons education Tom gave you a good word you deserve it sootch00
Thanks Shawn! Tom is a great guy.
My p22 is about 8 years old or so, gen 2 frame but without a captured guide rod. It’s also a steaming hot pile of shit unless you either run mini mags or thunderbolts. Any other loads and it essentially turns it into a straight pull. Also doesn’t have enough spring tension to chamber the first round of a full magazine so you have to thumb press it. I sincerely wish they would upscale it to a 9mm because I do love everything about it function and feel wise
I have two P-22s. One short barrel and one long barrel. The long barrel P-22 is still new in the box. Purchased both of them back in 2001. After firing the short barrel model and breaking it down to clean afterwards I discovered the slide grooves were chewed up a bit. I mailed it to S&W and received it back a week later with a note saying it was normal wear. They lied! Later the safety lever began to drop down on safety and the problem became more frequent soon after. I wanted to throw it into the sea afterward I was so upset. Instead I put it away and had forgotten about it. Someday I'll buy a new complete slide. The one I have now was most likely a defect from the beginning I believe. As for the P-22s performance I do like it and Remington golden bullets work fine.
.22LR is:
1. Low recoil
2. Cost efficient
3. Accurate
4. Deadly
5. Range up to 500 meters
6. Low to no muzzle flash
7. Non "Scary" in banned states
8. Great trainer weapon
9. Higher capacity magazines
10. Last forever
JonD not higher capacity since they are single stack. It’s only 10 tiny rounds vs 15 of 9mm double stack in the same sized walther
@@Crypt0rkid That's only this weapon. Look at the 33 round handgun by Keltec.
JonD oh hell no on keltec double stack
Such a fun little plinker! Only ammo that wont cycle for me is the CCI suppressor (to be expected). Its quality, affordable and just all out fun. Again Mr. Sootch, fantastic review and amazing content like always. Please keep doing what you are doing. The firearms community needs to! Thank you for everything
Thanks A M! It's definitely a lot of fun! I appreciate the kind words Brother
Sootch don't be a kiss butt!
Father got the ppk, and son got p22 jk 😅😊
@@sootch00
This may be weird for me to say but I hope someday walther makes a PPQ or PPX chambered for .32 APC someday.
you nailed it. That is weird. Why would you want one chambered in such a useless and expensive to shoot round? I could see it if there were 20 dollar bulk packs of it or something, but for 32 prices you could be shooting 9.
I want a Walther in 22mag. Keep it 10 round. I'd carry it edc.... I sometimes carry a P22Q for edc if I'm working outside and moving around alot with tools on a belt.
My P22Q has been tuned to shoot bulk ammo but I still use Stingers for edc... CCI stinger can hit about 1050fps out of a P22. The bulk stuff hits about 850fps
Great Vid Sootch!!!!
Im in Florence SC. Stay cool buddy.
@@Chief-Solarize You predicted the WMP!
Still shooting mine from 2004. Paid $229. Fun and accurate at 20 feet with Winchester high velocity ammo.
I used to own one of the first p22's. It was a 5" target with a compinsator. Back when 22 ammo was hard to find, I traded it and a rugar 10/22 straight up for a rugar mini 14. I wish I would have kept that gun. It ran like a Singer sewing machine if you put good ammo in it.
Mine has had ftf fte since I had it . Sent it back they said it was great . Never even sent 3 rnds down range same dang thing. I don't believe I have ever had a full mag go through it without a problem ever. Before or after I sent it back to Walther
It's an ammo picky gun. It runs 100% with cci mini mags and Remington gold bulk ammo. It runs 99% with federal blue box bulk. It doesn't run lead bullets well at all or super cheap ammo.
Ive got about 3000 rounds through mine, works like a charm. Not as accurate as my mark 4 but then again its just a different beast
0:19 that's not the P22 she is firing, way to much recoil.
Spot on
Idk know... at best we're speculating.... After watching several times it looked like she was jumping/jerking not the pistol.. Hell for all we know she may have been scared to death so he made his daughter shoot it to get the sponsorship
Probably the p99
It’s just an intro of them shooting guns
Yeah they mixed in some other gun shooting in the intro it seems.
My Wife has had this pistol for 6 years. Never any problems.
Nice gun and it's accurate. My daughter loves shooting it so much I had to get her one also. The target barrel is worth having for the longer sight radius. Is an easy swap. It's a very simple gun to suppress, and the action seems to be unaffected. The captive recoil spring makes it much easier to reassemble. After market ones are available for "Gen 1s", but perhaps the Walther G2 springs would also work? I wish they'd make a higher capacity mag, I'm sure they could if they choose to.
I upgraded my extractor, that seemed to help when the round count got up there, especially when shooting suppressed. The factory sights are just tall enough to use with lower profile suppressors. Ironically, the Walther rim fire suppressor has protrusions on it that interfere with the sights. Keep that in mind when selecting a can for rimfire.
Fobus makes an inexpensive holster for it, but the holsters I have almost have too much rentention.
I added red paint to the proper dimple on the saftey on the gen 1s. I'm not sure how they over looked that little detail on the first ones.
I bought the aqua colored P22 for my elderly mom, and she really likes it. Like you said on this video, Sootch, we shoot CCI mini mags, and it has never failed, but it doesn't like some of the other brands tho.
Best price I’ve seen lately (April 2022) is $329.99 from Bass Pro Shop. My waiting period should be over Saturday.
I got this because it is the closest .22LR to my VP9 and VP9SK.
New to .22LR with the recent purchase of a CMMG Upper for my Banshee, due to the ammo shortage/price hike and it quickly became my favorite caliber to shoot for fun.
I just bought one :-) P22 CA, July 2023, $279 plus changes :-)
@@tructran8783 I have a couple of HK VP9 variants and this little Walther is my to shoot! Enjoy!
I had the original p22. I got it for my birthday in 2006. I only put a couple hundred mini mags through it and the hammer spring broke. Had to send it back and the fixed it. Loved that gun though.
A lot of people claim to have issues with the P22 I found if you fire standard velocity 22 you will have issues but if you fire the high velocity stuff 1200 ft per second or more you won't have any issues other than keeping it clean cuz 22 ammo's filthy
Thanks for bringing this pistol to my attention! I really like the double-strike capability of this pistol for .22LR. Would have liked to see the decocker model in operation --- I'll be looking into that. Nice review!
After going between the choices based on a lot of rental range guns - all the brands - I bought the M&P .22 Compact a couple years ago. We now live in a world where manufacturing has become both precise and rather inexpensive - especially in the plastic gun field. You really can't get a dud gun anymore. If so, it's an anomaly, rather than a brand issue.
As to why I went with the M&P? Basically, two reasons: 1) I already have the M&P platform in 9mm, so grip ergo and handling are the same, and 2) the M&P was under the glass when I had the money.
I haven't been disappointed yet after at least 4000 rounds. Any issues have been ammo related. In my extended tests at the range, all these guns are somewhat ammo sensitive. It's not the guns - it's the mass produced .22 ammo, with my best experience being with CCI Mini-Mags or Stingers. They just seem to have way less squibs.
FYI... I purchased a P22 (Ca Angel Blue) for my wife. We are extremely disappointed with the function of this little pistol, especially considering that I bought this pistol based on the Walther reputation. The problem with this pistol is that it repeatedly has "Failure to Eject." Approximately one out of 20 rounds there is a failure to eject. I cycled the slide by hand several times, but the spent round would still not eject. I had to pry the round by the edge of the rim to remove the spent shell. My son was shooting alongside my wife with a Ruger 22/45 and the Ruger experience zero malfunctions with the same ammunition CCI .22LR 36gr. I'm guessing the extractor is not good. Walther has a 30 day Money Back Guarantee. Not sure if I should send it back for repair, or just return it and not bother with it.
Remember when you could buy CCI? The good ole days.
I just paid $27 for 100 mini mags hp’s shipped to my house. 🤦🏼♂️. I will not be shooting these at the range.
I have about 5000 mini mags
Thanks for your review. Bought one today after watching. Suprised at the accuracy.
I picked one up a few hours ago. Only put 40 rounds through it. Shoots smooth. Nothing like a nice .22 pistol to practice with, ammo is a hell of alot cheaper.
I had some issues with cycling. Put a captive recoil spring and runs great. And way easier to take down and reassemble. Believe recoil spring was from Tandem Cross.
Ive practiced with this gun so much: double tap drills, reloads, etc. Fun fact: even with my small hands and sausage fingers I can rack the slide one handed, no assist.
Bought one my the other day as my first handgun, since I wanted to ease in and learn how to properly control recoil before moving up to one of the big boy calibers. Still waiting for my background check to clear, but you best believe the first place I'm going once I pick it up from the gun store is to the range to send some lead downrange
Mystic Thunder have you had a chance to try it out ?
I just got one and I love it.very accurate..shooting automatch in mine and it functions good probably 97 percent..good enough for me saving my primo ammo
Can’t wait to get mine it’s on its way I’m gonna do some planking
My wife has one and it's a hoot to shoot. I've run everything through including Federal 36 gr and I've never had a feed issue.
@Steve Kazmarek how about Browning 40grain high velocity hollow points? I believe they're like 1400+ velocity.
It's really nice and I like it but I think that the Ruger sr22 is a better choice.
I chose the SR22 over the P22 as well.... that mag release was the deal breaker...
@@MrYournamehere4202
I like the sr22 better because it shoots regular ammo and doesn't require high velocity ammo. I had a p22 when they first came out and it was nice but wouldn't fiction on regular ammo. Even if that's been corrected the sr22 has a removable barrels .
Benjimen Franklin taurus tx 22 looks good
@@brandonlawson4384
Could be !
qualitywise definitely. And it's not Walther, it's Umarex that makes these cheapos.
Tx22 all day. Functions with every ammo, more capacity, better trigger, striker fired, threaded barrel. No reason to get this when the tx22 exists.
Not everyone likes strikers.
@@ubermac85 if you haven't tried the tx22, rent one, you'll love it.
I’ll stick to my Mark 4.
@@Dgc-vz2bv I never even touch my mark 4 lite anymore
Maximus Joseppi okay, cool. I’ll never touch a Taurus. Never cared for anything Taurus made including the TX 22. I shot one last week.
I love the longer barrel with compensator. But they are hard to find. I finally found them at a gun repair store in Virginia. Sweet shooting pistol
walther’s p22 gen1’s teething troubles led me happily to the ruger sr22. i do admit that i prefer how the p22 feels in my hand. that said the sr22 is the one reliable, handy, forever 22lr plinker to have.
If your pistol is teething, just rub a little whiskey on the slide.
I had some issues with my p22 out of the box. I was firing Federal 40 grain ammo thru it and i was getting constant jamming, usually multiple rounds per mag, and on two occasions the spent casing even got stuck in the barrel. I am going to try CCI minimag next time im at the range, i just wanted to see if anyone else was having this issue.
per my research, P22 or P22 CA runs on high velocity bullets, CCI Minimag would be fine i think.
I was Eager to get one. The fire arms dealer at Bass Pro shop criticized the gun so negatively .. said he couldn’t get through one Clíp with out it jamming.. ultimately talked me out of it
There are some things you can do to help it cycle better. I think its a gamble if yours will have some of the known issues. I wouldn't use it for carry/SD. It's a plinker for me.
Just got this same toy, this video explained everything I needed to know. Thanks a lot! Now on to the range!
Great video you mentioned the barrel but could have easily demonstrated how for 30 bucks you could add a threaded attachment on the barrel since it is designed that way for a silencer with a $ 200 ATF stamp and the price of the silencer cost more than the gun alone. I have a compensator on mine thanks to the Walther barrel design and the added weight keeps the front down for more accurate shots.Aplus video and thank you!!!! $30 plus $30 for compensator from TandemKross I have 250.00 new plus $60 more Walther p22Q is perfect for only $310.00!!!! minimum 1000 rounds and still going
That intro music 🤘🏻
.22lr has never sounded so good!!
Got rid of mine due to some slide issues the gen 1, on some guns were having slides crack. There made of pot metal like a pellet gun. Who makes them is Umerex they make pellet guns. Not for sure about new ones like this gen 2, walther has two plants walther Umerex and there higher end like Ppq Reg Walther. I never had but one single jam on the Walther the years I owned it. Was excellent. Just got concerned over the potential slide issues that might arise over a period of time especially shooting thousands of rounds like I did with it. Anyways got rid of it and got the sr22. Great pistol and built better with a better slide build in my opinion. Great video thank u.
great info thnx , i have the PPQ M2 5" barrel , holds 12 rounds i,m up to 2500 rounds now with a lot of different ammo including cci stingers , now i stick to federal game shock 40 grains , NOT 1 problem ,
I bought one just before pandemic was plan for my kids never shoot before. It hasn’t been fire yet hope rake my kids to range soon.
Thank you for sharing this. Love Walther.
The biggest improvement you can make to the older model, is change to the captured spring it fixes two problems for about 20 bucks. It will make failures to feed history and make it way easier to put back together when cleaning, so you'll clean it more often too. Stay with the right ammo, I use the CCI standard but I would buy the plated bullets once my current ammo is gone. The .22 rounds are dirty ammo so going with the plated bullets helps keep the gun clean, so less problems and easier to clean. Dropping the hammer when the safety is on has no effect on the gun because a hammer block prevent the hammer from hitting anything but the steel safety block, that's good for dry firing, otherwise never dry fryer a .22 without fake plastic shells in there. GET THE CAPTURED SPRING!!! It is a game changer as they say.
So the captured spring is part of/automatically included with the latest iteration of the P22, the "Q", right?
Got to keep the chamber clean. If a round does not go all the way in the chamber the hammer can still drop when you pull the trigger. This happened to me. But, I really like this pistol.
10:13 Yo! You just shorted me an ounce......pablo is not going to like that
8:17 I'm in the market for this type gun, but that height adjustable front sight took me right out of the hunt. For the most part windage is only required for a target gun and windy conditions. Elevation changes are based on load and bullet weight in addition to distance. Some rinky-dink plastic front sight insert for elevation change is a joke in my opinion.
I am looking for a compact/subcompact pocket carry type pistol in 22 caliber for practice purposes. Something that mimics a pistol in the P365/hellcat or RM 380 class pistol. It's all converging on the Ruger SR 22.
I'm lucky I stocked up on 22 when the price was low. Now I just need the right firearm to use for practice mimicking my carry firearms. Your video was great help. Thank you!
I recently rented a ppq match that obviously had quite a bit of use. It had a ftf and when I dropped the clip 2 rounds fell out. I suspected it was a worn out magazine. I'm still thinking about this or the ppq because of how enjoyable it was to shoot. I would rather have the poq but am leaning towards this because the wife likes the colors it comes in.
Saludos desde Argentina, excelente vídeo como siempre. Abrazo!
My brand new Walther P22 CA doesn't have a captive guide rod spring :'(
First take a small pair Vise Grips, with the slide pulled back only enough to expose enough of the guide rod to clamp on the pliers. Then the guide rod is captured. Then move the takedown tabs.
My p22 jams all the time. Brand new. I have the cci ammo Not fun
I use 22lr from federal and have had no issues. It’s been a lot of fun especially with a suppressor. Wish they would have change or updated sights I never have liked them. New spring is nice! Like that they also put the dot on safety. Nice review as always!!
I run CCI 0030 and 0031 ammunition and suppressed and have had no issues. Thank you.
I don't know what Walther did to the new p22q but I have never had 1 issue with mine period! Read so many complaints with the old ones but from what I understand if sent back to Walther they repair it and they perform like new.
Aluminum slide? I read that they constructed from zinc...pot metal
When the barrel gets hot, the pot metal ignites in a slow burn, thereby getting the shooter a little high.
Great review, great pistol. And yeah..Gunbuyer...they are amazing. Thanks Sootch!
"PPQs" are addicting.😎
I had one of the original P22's that I got for my wife. Nice little handgun. But I have the same problem as you. A son that like it so much, it became his handgun. Maybe I'll get the newer version to check out. I'm surprised they left the magazine release lever and didn't go with the more popular button.
Lol! Hey, if our kids are interested in a gun, that's a worth while investment! Thanks Joe!
You stated that your PPQ was 10 round but they also sale them with 12 round mag too, cuz that’s what mine has. Love your videos and keep up the good work.
Could you please make a video on the new Mossberg MC1sc pistol?
I have the Ruger SR22. A good little shooter just as this Walther.
Boa tarde ao amigo,falo aqui do Brazil e comprei a 2 anos a Ruger SR22 e não cicla bem , apresenta muitas falhas muitas panes em uma única rodada de um carregador, mesmo utilizando CCI ogival Mini Mag, Federal, fiochi, ou Águila 😢 tenho tambem a PPK s22 a Walter P22, e a Walther Gold Cup 22 LR, mas a melhor pistola 22 LR tem sido a TX 22 👍👏🤠🇧🇷
I bought one several years back and mine looks more like the newer style one you are showing. Mine has the red dot for fire, the textured grip, and the silver mag. Another note is my slide says Smith and Wesson like the older one you have and says made in USA and the grip says Walther Made in Germany. But the slide does look like the newer one with the longer finger groves on it. It is a very accurate and nice shooting pistol for sure. I am curious, what holster do you use with it?
Gen 1 doesn't need a decocker. Put it on safe, and pull trigger to drop the hammer.
Unsafe, then you have double action first shot.
Love me some Walther Firearms. Another awesome review Sootch00. As always long live the republic my friend.
Never had a .22 pistol but I may be sold on this. I just bought a Glock 42 (.380 auto) and I’ve been debating on a .22 pistol as well
I'm proficient on the G42. I have one. Getting a 22lr pistol is a good addition. Many new shooters aren't good with larger calibers. That's why I got mine (SW M&P22compact).
I cant be the only one that likes the original gen1 look or feel better. I have a p99 and would take it anyday over the ppq.
My son has one of those pistols and it would not run any ammo but CCI Mini Mag and it was hit and miss with the mini mag.
I think it would be cool if they had the fixed barrel and way of disassembly of the p22 in a higher caliber like a 10mm.
I just bought a P22q. First time on the range was this weekend. Out of 30 rounds it had multiple Fail to fire, fail to feed, fail to extract. 1 out of 3 rounds was problematic. Upon further research it turns out many people are having the same issue right of the box.
@@danstauffer7572 I contacted Walther and they suggested to only is High velocity ammunition (specifically CCI mini mag). They also said to keep the gun clean and well oiled. I did this but it did not make a difference. I contemplated heavily and decided to return the gun to Walther for a refund. They have a 30 day no questions asked policy. They even paid for shipping.
I guess I have a gen1 because my gun failed to fire. Found out I was using cheap ammo (winchester) and I only had to change ammo (CCI Max) and now its fine.